Yu-Gi-Oh! Player Tries to Guess How Good Digimon Cards Are w/
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- Huge thank you to Farfa for taking the opportunity to do this! It was a ton of fun but I wish I explained the Breeding Area better! I think it would've cleared up a lot of the confusions lol.
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Intro - 0:00
Bakomon - 2:41
BT5 Greymon - 6:10
WereGarurumon Promo - 8:53
Analog Youth - 11:40
HPD - 14:17
Creepymon - 15:34
Blinding Ray - 18:50
Diaboromon - 20:56
Blitz Omnimon - 22:52
Final Score - 26:18 - Ігри
For any Yugioh people finding this (and maybe a tip when bringing future Yugioh personalities in this), Digimon kinda works like if Zoodiacs' core one card XYZ mechanic was the norm. Except whenever you climb in Digimon you ALSO draw a card AND half the good low level creatures have the Lyrilusc/Utopia thing of granting effects when they are material.
For any Magic people, Digimon is a game where everyone plays Mutate decks.
Edit:
Some interesting comparisons for the ones Farfa got wrong:
- Greymon could be seen as a cheap or free special summon, kinda like the Rank 3 spam guys. He is cheap, reliable and used to climb up into higher beaters fast.
- Creepymon is in that awkward spot boss monsters that do stuff depending on the amount of stuff your opponent has are in. Digimon does share with Yugioh that your win con shouldn't rely on your opponent doing stuff.
- Omnimon is Gustav Max. Blitz at the end of the day is Digimon's keyword for Cowboy for game. You do all of your turn, beat the shit out of your opponent and before they get to do anything else you kill them before they take their turn back.
Blinding Ray does sit in a very fascinating spot in game design. I don't think there is another game where ramp for life loss is really questioned as a generic good move. Ask a magic player if they would pay 4 life for an extra land and they would paying up all over the floor already.
However, Security being an actual game maker for Yellow kinda pushes it into this awkward spot where there IS a scenario where paying life for ramp is not a good idea.
I love the concept of Security so much, what can I say
I play Rasenmon, and I love the security usage of the Deck. The strategy is very smart build, the problem is that in the current game state being at 5 sec you could die in a blink, imagine sitting on 3 or less ☠
You’re a real one for that
To shorten it, Digimon is like Rank-climbing with XYZs as Main Game mechanic, and the Material gives effects to the monster its attached to
As a player of all 3 games, I can say this is ACCURATE AF!
Were you to ask a Magic player if they would like to play 4 life for 2-3 more mana this turn and the answer would differ. I do not think a land is as good of a comparison - after all Blinding Ray is a one time deal.
Truly Yugioh style to see a card with a keyword with the reminder text right next to it and going "Nope not reading that, hey what does this do?"
Fun video. In the future I'd suggest giving the guest a little bit more of a rundown on the rules though.
Same, specially when the guest was ranking Blinding Ray, since he thought 2 more Memory was a great advantage since you were 2 turns ahead. The Memory system can be confusing and make people think it's way different than it realy is
I definitely feel the same after this one! I feel like Farfa's confusion on the climbing would've been answered if I went through the Breeding Phase with him. Gonna revamp that part.
@@TasteOfVictory Breeding phase? Are you playing a card game or a porno?
Just about to say that
@@TasteOfVictory just play the game with them at least once
2:12 Yes, when you pass beyond 0 you run out of RAM and star lagging so hard you stop doing stuff and now is your opponent's turn, that's so funny and actually a fun mechanich.
Bro [Lag] would be a dope keyword for postponing effects
Really interesting
Should have just told him "Rank Up Magic" to get the evo system into his YGO brain, lol
if you think about it the X-Antibody option is just a RUM.
Deathxmon is definitely a barian monster.
It's hilarious how every comment is giving suggestions on how to explain different concepts to Farfa using analogies like he's a child
Watch GoldenNova's How to Play Digimon for Yu-Gi-Oh players vid.
The thumbnail is him shrugging with the caption "They're just Xyz".
"Imagine if LV monsters were summoned like Zoodiacs." Would be a good way of describing digivolving I guess(never played digimon)
He definitely should have known the basic rules before the video but I do love these types of vids
I love these man keep them coming. The one and only criticism I have for you Tasty is that you should've explained the memory gauge better. The first time you mentioned that turn passes when your memory marker moves to the opponent's side was at Blitz Omegamon.
Farfa clearly didn't understand that as he evaluated Bacomon, Greymon and WereGarurumon as them being played on turn 3, 5 and 7 respectively.
Thanks! I agree and am gonna be more clear about that in the future. I assumed Farfa meant like "A lv.4 is likely to come out on X turn" when he kept bringing up turns. Didn't occur to me he was interpreting the memory gauge like that. Gonna keep all the criticisms in mind for future ones. I think I def fumbled a bit on this one.
There are a set of purple cards that work with Creepymon's on Digivolution effect, and its the purple Cerberusmon and Cerberusmon: Werewolf mode since if you have an existing Cerberusmon on the field, WHILE having a Werewolf mode in the trash, Creepymon brings back the Werewolf Mode which has an On Play effect to Trash a Cerberusmon to gain 9 memory, which also in turn would trigger Cerberusmon's on Deletion effect of draw 2 discard 1. Now I don't know how good in Play this idea of a play is But its something that Creepymon can pull off at least.
8:21 I’m sorry to say this but I dont think you made sure Farfa understood what a memory cost or a security battle were before you had him rate cards. He seems to still be convinced you get 1 mana per turn.
Still quite the fun video though. I hope you’re having a nice day.
Yeah, he looked at it like Legends of Runeterra's mana system but is more like a tug of war with mana.
Yeah, it was real frustrating.
Security is basically Shields from Duel Masters. If anyone from early 2000s remember the anime. It's literally ripped right from the Duel Masters game. And Security Effect = Shield Triggers etc.
As an avid lover of the Duel Masters game and gameplay, I obviously love Digimon TCG. But it doesn't sell or played anywhere near where I live so I have to parasocial my way by watching others play it and cry when I realize that it's not me
22:00
That music from Digimon World 2003. So classic. Still got The game and play it sometimes on my 11 year old PS2.
I think you should've explained Ending a Turn and the Memory Cost ending a turn first. I feel his opinions would've been different.
Im not sure if Farfa understood the memory system. For the blinding ray guess he notably said “wait for cards” which makes it seem like he didnt realize memory works sorta like tug of war
I thought Gargomon had paws underneath the guns? Could swear you see them in it's digivolution sequence in Tamers
Yep
Fun vid, but it might help to play out a round that you've set up in tabletop simulator or something just so your guest can understand the flow of a game better, especially the interactions with digivolving and the different effects that trigger or get inherited, and how attacks work.
^This, Could show off 3 turns of Digimon with Vanilla digimon so you don't show off too much and only the Digi-Egg can be used to show what Inherited Effects mean. Make the 3 turn example into a vid and can re-use it on new "students".
It's wild coming back to these videos almost a year later and seeing how much the meta has changed
"Is your graveyard literally just called the trash?"
Me: Shut up, GY
I'll honestly defend Creepymon here, it's not the best BUT it's a Great Demon Lord that gives you a free Lv 5 play, meaning it synergizes really well with Lucemon and SkullSatamon. There are ways to mill this card, easily get it out of the trash, throw a Lv 5 Lucemon away, and then play it. Which is really solid since on-play Lv 5 Lucemon can delete a Digimon Lv 6 or lower. So this basically just becomes 3 cost removal that gives you another body on the field with the right setup.
Is it the best setup? Not really, there's better archetypes out there. BUT it has more going for it than you'd expect because it can just casually play Lv 5 Lucemon while still triggering the effect if your opponent just has 2 or more cards out. And, from my experience, there's A LOT of times where they'll have two or more things out.
It's so funny rewatching this video years later because it's like "Man, they did Creepymon dirty! The Lucemon setup allowing his on-play effect to trigger is niche, but it's pretty solid if you use draw 1/trash 1 effects to get the right thing in your trash."
It feels like we only really got 'better' Lucemon support recently. I know Lucemon's an older card in the game, but now that Mastemon Ace is a thing it's finally become completely replaced as a setup since Ace costs play for super cheap anyways. To be fair, old DNA Digivolve Mastemon was really good with it, but it was a bit harder to really get out compared to just one 3 cost Lv 6 (despite Mastemon having better payoff for it).
If it wasn't for that it might weirdly have had a chance to get a slight second wind as a niche way to cheese out the newer Lucemon cards. But without a 'real' archetype that can climb up to it, it was always going to struggle as an option, I think.
Lord knight being the only aggro? I'm sorry yellow wargreymon, i still think you are cool TwT
Holy crap I keep forgetting how fast Yellow Warg got replaced by LK lmao.
Yellow WarGreymon is one of my favourite megas. It has some incredible potential in the right deck.
Loved the video and the duelists of the roses OST
It hurt seeing Diaboromon. The deck was great when the second wave of support came out. I remember being a nightmare at locals with it.
It just needs a wave 3 to get back in the spotlight.
Hopefully BT13 introduces support for Diaboromon since the set is called "VS Royal Knights"
I had a bit of fun during EX02.
Faced D-Reaper and it became a spamming match. I followed up by revealing Yellow engine and used Spiral Masq to nuke the field
I like this videos about guessing digimon cards quality very much, so fun to watch.
Im trying to get into Digimon after having just got back into YuGiOh. So this is a fun video to stumble across
For someone still learning how to play this was amazing. I would recommend anyone this video just to have the knowledge first before watching a tutorial video. Great job and good content
I really can't blame him for not getting Blitz, it's such a weird effect. You normally wouldn't even think about end-phase stuff because "well why wouldn't you just attack before the turn ends?" but in Digimon giving your opponent memory IS the end of your turn. So this gives you a chance to swing, evolve up, and then swing again even if you should have passed your turn.
Basically, it gives you an attack where you wouldn't normally have one. So if you have, say, +1 Security attack on a Lv 6, then this kills at 2 Security, right? And if your opponent is at 4 Security then this would set them to zero while also being pretty hard to get rid of once it evolves up. That's the difference between winning and losing a game.
So now we need Farfa vs MBT in a 1.0 match
Seeing Farfa react to Digimon with no background must be how other players react when I'm explaining Yu-Gi-Oh... Or any tcg for that matter 😂😂😂
I checked out of Yugioh when Synchro started. So pendulum hurts my head and XYZ…
@@oreox1000 wait until you hear of link summoning...
I dont blame him for getting Omnimon wrong. Even though you said it is the charizard of the Digimon franchise, which is a big hint that it is good, Yugioh is the only game where the iconic monsters are irrelevant. Blame Konami for that miss.
Charizard was ass for years though until the GX era.
@@koopakingjr87 That is my point though....dark magician and blue-eyes are still not relevant in this era and can't keep up with the meta.
@@obansari I'm pretty sure he's saying Charizard isn't that great either, he just constantly is getting saved by the ridiculous amount of special
Also the mascot of Pokemon Pikachu has been garbage for years
Bro you are the GOAT! Awesome video!
No bro YOU are the goat! Thank you 🙏
Fun to see this later on and seeing Farfa being correct on the Blinding Ray guess of digimon players just not knowing how to make the card work yet, seeing it so much in Xros decks that just let them extend their turn until they win is always a crazy thing.
Omg the Frog the Jam reference!
i think farfa still misunderstanding the memory system the way he said about Blinding Ray made me think that he though memory is a Mana perturn thing.
I jut started playing this gasme a few days ago and seeing how another yugioh player look into this is super cool
This video was very fun!
Watching this live yesterday im kinda sad the questions didnt have a proper baby digimon as a question. Their art are so cute
Well with bt16 on the horizon were finally seeing a deck take advantage of blinding ray for its security removal effect in armor rush
the perfect crossover doesn't exis...
From the security to power being multiples of 1000 this plays alot like Duel Masters.
2:44 In the Video Games, as of recently, Lv7 is Ultra in english. (Super Ultimate in Japanese, Lv6 being Ultimate) In the TCG, I think they’re still classified as Mega, even though that’s our name for a Lv6 as well.
From the very little I know about Digimon, it seems like the reason Omnimon is good is that you can either digivolve it and get one more security to finish off a game, or if you just need one attack, you can hard summon it at 15 memory, pass to your opponent, and Blitz for game
Nailed it exactly. He’s perfect for literally Blitzing a last attack once you managed to leave your opponent at 0 Security and at that point there’s no security effects to worry about unless there’s somehow a last minute Blocker to stop the attack.
You Evo over for a finisher. Never do you want to just slam it down for its play cost.
But a player can't have more than 10 memory so your opponent would to give you at least 5 to hard slam it but yeag
Lmao it's Blitz only activates on Digivolve, not on play
Playing a Digimon ≠ Digivolving a Digimon. The Blitz effect will not be live, if you hard play Omnimon.
He was right about blinding ray. Just included in the xros deck that won EU Nats.
7:23 Good ol Frog the Jam aka Slime Toad.
Yo hype. Love this kind of content
Came here for farfa. Staying her for the duelist if the roses game music in the background.
I hear that Duelist of The Roses music!
So.. Farfa would play digimon tcg now 😊❤
18:50 this man predicted the kinako special
Would've loved to see him review Dex or Quartzmon.
Everyone out here using duelist of the roses as their background music
Haha farfa bro ! 😂😂. I left YGO for digimon and haven’t looked back since 😂
omg what is this bgm i feel ive heard it in my child hood like an old ps2 game?
I feel like Farfa went this whole video operating under the inccorect assumption that Memory worked like Mana in Heathstone where it ramps up each turn as opposed to the tug of war system it is in Digimon. Blinding Ray for example would've been more obviously mid if he understood how Memory actually works.
While I do agree some explanations were missing for his ratings, I don't think he would have rated Blinding Ray less than pretty good.
Like it was said at the start of the video, 1 memory is a huge deal, much less 2 and tempo is important in any card game.
He would have transfered the "Hearthstone thoughts" of Wild Growth (gain 1 empty mana crystal) to Innervate (gain 2 mana this turn), which were both amazing cards run in all druids deck at one point before their nerfs.
The real key point here was the fact that Yellow deck just have way better option, not that the card effect in itself is bad since it could be great in another archetype.
On Creepymon's defence he does get some support thanks to the Beelzemon advance deck and with Beelzemon X on the run it is pretty much certain he along with the other demon lords will get an X form for an upgrade
Experimenting is very thrilling here as it can be in Yugioh, so for new comers, if you guys wanna try don't hesitate in trying new stuff and finding obscure interactions for your decks
I never played Digimon TCG but some things that Creepymon stood out for me is that milling to your trash isn't that big of a deal as it is in YuGiOh and Battle Points matter A LOT differently from YuGiOh where a million ATK beatstick with no protection is trash, because milling the opponent isn't the first thing I would use Creepymon for.
@@megalowie1324 @Megalowie yea this is why I hate how TasteofVoctory handles it
For 1-Milling your own stuff IS a big deal because the Beelzemon deck is all about that and you snowball hard and spaming boddies (Sort of like tearlaments)
And 2- Digimon is all about the pieces for your evolutions, if your opponent mills a card you need that stuff is gone for good, and if you stack him on top of a certain Growlmon line you can potentially mill 5 extra cards from the opponent
@@nehuenmutiozabal6339 Hmm, so milling is actually useful. For decks focused on it, Creepymon seems like a pretty good enabler-boss.
And this effect-carrying mechanic is fantastic, you can basically use that discord that is digivolution lines in your favor for certain strategies
@@megalowie1324 And on top of that brings a digimon from trash for free which you can evolve to bring a lvl6. Again, this is why I tell people to experiment
Daemon isn't going to be played in Beelzemon decks, though. That deck is way too tight to fit it and Lucemon in.
Now the second 5 after you get to mulligan is now your life/security
I haven't played since BT7, but blinding ray was amazing in yellow purple hybrid when I used it. You can use it even when you have 0 memory, making it completely free in that case. Plus you don't care about losing security if the 2 memory is what you need to push for game.
Yeah people quickly forget how good this card was in bt7 and bt5 in lordknightmon format. but him down playing it’s annoying because this card was very good it’s just power crept
I know duelist of roses theme when i hear it
first off, great fun video really had a good time watching ! love to see more. However, like some mentioned, you could do a better job of describing some of the rules and showing stuff to these guys. Also, on a personal level, i think some of these ratings on cards are off. Like blinding ray! that card IS nuts. Just because its not used a lot currently doesnt make a card bad or mid imo. Thats like saying jack raid or hammer spark are bad because theyre not being played a lot in top/current decks. Maybe thats just me. Again, great vid !
Blinding Light+Dynasmon bro
Again, this is why I hate how in some of those cards he focus in how meta relevant they are
YES, I LOVE THESE VIDEOS
Me and a friend call that Omnimon 'Cowboy for game' for a reason lol
5:50 mother d-reaper and her children crying rn
gotta say, having a 20 card hand in vanguard would be wild because card advantage is VERY RELEVANT in the game. if 20 in hand becomes average then power creep has gone too far. 6-9 is generally good
I'm very curious about the game any way to play it online before trying it in person? Want to learn a bit more of the game
What's bad about milling in Digimon tcg is, sure there's a lot of purple cards, and some in other colors, that do stuff when milled, by milling, if milling is used, but there's almost no trash-to-deck effects and even less play-from-trash effects. So milling is not very viable right now. You can be milled to death, too. If you have no cards to draw in your draw phase, you lose. Draw effects are not effected by this ruling, though.
Also, if that OG Omnimon at the end was an Ace, it'd be limited or even banned.
I feel the guy didn't really understand how memory works. Like it seemed to me like they thought it works like mana in hearthstone, where you can'tsprnd more than your current turn number worth of memory. Maybe next tome maybe give a more thorough rundown of the basic game rules.
I'm surprised you haven't shown a yugioh player coredramon pot of greed.
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Farfa def called it when he said blinding ray was good. I don’t c it used all that much, but a card that’s is similar to it that I c played a lot is gravity crush
Does green not have much unsuspend? The first one seems like it can give you a lot of you just keep on attacking
Does digimon have a tcg simulator like master duel or pokemon tcg?
The game sound quite interesting, especially the tug of war like resource system.
got most the way through but it was a struggle, there seemed to be a huge misunderstanding on the memory system where Farfa seemed to think that each player had memory and gained it each turn similar to hearthstone or don in OP and that like a swinging pendulum that goes back and forth so it was a very painful watch nothing seeing this be corrected throughout
20:46 The funny thing is that he’s right, people actually run this card now.
Diaboromon is probably similar to Duel Links Dragon.
5:53 *sad eosmon/dteaper deck noises*
It pains me to see the state of Diaboromon, wish Bandai would've remembered to support it past BT05 and the one Decoy PR...
Agreed hes my favorite boi
Bro the Daemon and Blinding Ray slander
One day Seven Demon Lords and Pulsemon will be good ToV!
Farfa is Digimon channel now?
How bad is idiotic censorship when Daemon is dubbed Creepymon
So omnimon is like Cowboy for game
He keeps like thinking he gets one memory per turn
6:45 it mean rank up xyz change
Basically unlike yugioh where the main anime monster are strong like Blue eyes dan DM, in Digimon Greymon, Omnimon, etc are the OP ones lol
what's the song in the background. It sounds so familiar.
It's From The Digimon Game Cyber Sleuth.
😍😍
What's the song playing at 6:30?
I love my MetalGar x Deck :p
pog vid
Dude really compared Omnimon to a mere Charizard...
Digimon looks so fun as a game, the artwork is beautiful and the game feels exciting (not tryna diss yugioh, it's fun too) but digimon just has so much going for it rn.
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i think he didnt quite understand the rules especially how the memory works (he thought its like HS where you gain 1 memory each turn thats why he said ramping and gaining 2 mem turn 1 is great) and how evolving works so in the future better give him gameplay examples since most people are visual learners or just make him play the tutorial app for like 5 mins
as someone that never played digimon, I'll tag along
bakomon. doesn't really seem to do anything, I'll say it's bad
greymon. based on my experience with pokemon, the anime mascot cards are often bad so I'll go with that
weregarurumon. saying it's borrelword and the ability to almost single handedly win the game makes me think it's good, although seems understated comparing to greymon line, i will still say it's good
Analog youth. initially I though it was good, but considering you can't choose what is in the security pile and drawing seems easy, maybe it's not so good? (big oof)
hidden potential discovered. idk, depends if green is the archetype that can make big dudes? seems very good if drawing is easy
creepymon. seems lika a good late game monster, putting stuff for free sounds very good and big stats are funny. I'd guess it's good unless it's uncommon to have more than one digimon in play at any moment
blinding ray. are there otks in this game? this reeks like an otk card. perhaps it's an aggro card instead? might be good on aggro, so great in some specific decks?
diaboromon. maybe it's good but I will say it's not, seems expensive and usually depending on an attack on a expensive thing isn't a good strategy in tcgs, my guess is that the intended use in this is to generate a token and level up stuff on top of it
omnimon. looks like a good finisher, but I have doubts on how practical it would be, if I understood it well you can win the game on the spot with weregarurumon + this in one turn right? it reminds me of acesscode talker a bit... it's good I guess?
Coming from Yugioh I can't think why someone would chose to keep 1 security over 2 memory 🔥🔥🔥, besides isn't yellow supposed to be available to recover security?
That’s because this guy was wrong about Blinding Ray it was in BT5 one of the best cards for the best deck and then in BT7 again it was used in yellow/purple hybrid decks with Dynasmon the deck was all about recovery. so yes the card doesn’t see as much play as it used it to but what’s the point of asking if it’s good and then saying it’s terrible because the meta power creep is insane 😑
TLDR: Digimon cards are basically XYZs....
blinding ray actually pretty good
people use it on XH decks post banlist bcs X4 limited to 1
then they abuse Mervamon to play 2 digimon, using this card and Gravity Crusher for more memory
0 Security doesn't matter if you win in that turn
OK this might be a game I will get Into I love digimon so digimon card players any Card game emulators?
most xyz in yugioh can evolve to zeus
my goat tasty
TeamSamuraiX1 When?
Maybe have them play the tutorial app first so there's less time explaining