The team rocket executive in the final gen 2 game we know disguises himself as the director in the radio tower, so maybe the original plan was to disguise himself as Professor Oak instead in order to get access into the radio tower building since Professor Oak has his radio show there!
The Imposter Oak thing is especially interesting because there were also trading cards of that same character. I’d love to see that idea fully brought back somehow
That was actually where my mind went when I heard that it was the original idea. That card always kinda creeped me out as a kid lol Note, I originally put this reply on a different comment by mistake. Apparently I'm a dumbass lmao
pokemon company and nintendo wasting the chance to complete these prototypes and sell them on virtual consoles as pokemon bronze or tin or some other far less elegant metal xD considering the art style and storyline it would be for a different target market, but that's us curious and ready to adventure in it
Uwawara isnt based off a voodoo doll. Its based off a straw effigy used in the ritual necessary to perform a traditional Japanese curse known as Ushi No Toki Mairi or in English: Shrine Visit At The Hour Of The Ox. The ritual requires one to make a straw effigy of the person they wish to inflict with some of that persons hair or a scrap of clothing belonging to them. From there the person must "visit" the local Shinto shrine between 1-3 AM and nail the effigy to the tree in the place they wish the curse to affect the person. They must make a new doll and perform this same act each night for a week. Btw the shrines arent open at this time of night and such you arent allowed there so youll be breaking in. The curse starts with a feeling of mild discomfort in the affected area. Each night the action is performed successfully the feeling grows stronger becoming immense and unbearable pain. Upon the 7th night the inflicted person dies. If you get caught by the monks keeping watch or miss your mark with the nail, the curse turns upon you and kills you before the night is out. Hence, why Curse takes 6 turns, becoming worse and worse each time. And why your own hp is cut as well.
Correction, Igglybuff doesn't evolve via Moon Stone, nor does Cleffa. They are friendship evolutions. It's their evolutions that evolves to their next forms via Moon Stone.
Whats cool is the intro battle in red/blue is gengar vs nidorhino... it's oak vs agatha.... oak was using a nidorhino instead of a nidoking b3cause the meteor that would hit Mt. Moon hasn't arrived yet(then) so there were no moonshine to use
Rumor has it that the Cut Wind Dog from the final pre-Lugia beta was intended to be Silvers Box Art Legendary,as Lugia wan't made by Nintendo or Game Freak,but as an Anime Movie exclusive Mon made by Anime Head Writer,Takeshi Shudo. But thanks to the delay,Lugia was added to the games.
Pallet town has that name because it’s based on the artist’s palette, and the other cities are blotches of paint on the palette. In other words, the player’s adventure is an art form, and every player gets to choose the colors on their palette (Pokémon in their party) to paint an image of their success and victory.
And then there's Johto, starting with New Bark and with every town named for a plant. And where's the league for both? The Indigo Plateau, both a color and a plant.
Also pallet like something you sleep on i.e. when you start your adventure in pallet town it's like you're waking up and getting out of bed to start your adventure
For day and night, Ho-oh is day (title screen is day), Lugia is night (title screen is night), and with Celebi being time travel can be seen as the time trio.
@@dcmjstar it’s dark because Lugia is deep under the ocean, not because it’s night time. But it still works because when Lugia flies it creates huge storms which darkens the sky
I'll say one here that I believe not many people knows. The beta name for New Bark Town in the space world demo was called "Silent Hill" This was because the real-life counterpart of New Bark Town is Shizuoka in Japan. Shizuoka, written as 静岡 in Japanese, and the two Kanji literally means "Silence" and "Hill" Most beta town names in the Space World demo are also directly taken from their real-world counterpart as a beta names. The "Blue Forest" mentioned in this video is literally a real-life location in Japan 青森 (Aomori, literally means Blue Forest) in the Tohoku region.
Huh I always wondered why they called the town Silent Hill. That makes a lot of sense. Also that demo came out before the Silent Hill horror series debuted, but the games came out after they debuted, which is likely why they changed the name, to avoid the association.
I love Cyndaquil and Totodile and am glad they exist, but I really wish Game Freak will one day decide to make Honōguma and Kurusu official Pokémon one day. They look so cute and I wonder what they would have evolved into... 🥺
How about the fact that pallet town can also refer to a wide range of colors. Such as a pallete of colors, encompassing what will play out as we go on in the game and see the cities named after colors.
A neat bit for that Agatha trivia you mentioned, Agatha, Bertha, and Charm are probably related in another way, being the way that each of their names start, with the letters A, B, & C, the first three letters of the alphabet. Also, that Burned Tower cut quest sounds very similar to the plot of the 3rd Pokemon Movie.
Coincidently, Lt. Surge given the ranking of Major makes a lot more sense. The badge you receive from him actually resembles the insignia for the US Army rank of Major.
Johto towns are mosty named after flowers/plants rather than just colors. Azalea, Violet, Goldenrod, Mahogany, (Cherry)grove, and Blackthorn are all plants. Olivine is a green mineral though.
@@JZJ7777 Nor does any tree have cyan wood. Olivine City clearly has a dual meaning - olive vine, for the plant theme, and olivine, for the mineral theme to go with its Gym Leader Jasmine and her metallic Pokémon.
Actually, both things are true. Black is the sum of all colors when a blackish stain is obtained from the mixture of various pigments and black is also the absence of color when all light radiation is removed.
All of these were super interesting. In my several playthroughs of Gold when I was a kid I did eventually figure out that the games were about the sun and moon and time of day. Something about the time settings gave it away as well as the pokemon. I remember messing with the time settings, iirc you have to talk to your mom to do that. Then you can even set daylight savings time. Made me wonder why its so important they would include that? Then noticing that Ho-oh and Lugia look like the sun and moon respectively. At some point it all clicked together. Kinda wish they did more with that, but I guess they got to revisit those concepts with S&M.
u mean to make the box legends easier to catch with dusk ball? took me hours for second ho-oh in soul silver where i was blowing thru it for double rayquaza.
I think the concept of white to black for town names more so come from Karate and the belts system, beginners start off with white belts, and eventually make their way up to black belts. Tho I think it’s based on the older way of karate where martial artists only got one belt and the blood sweat, tears, dirt, and whatever eventually dye the belt black. To symbolize the experience the martial artist have gone through. Other martial arts have similar belt systems like tae kwon do. You’re not wrong by any means, just that martial arts was probably the inspiration for the town names.
Here's a good one: Canalave city is modelled after Newtype City from the G/S '97 betas, and there seems to be a possible nod to this in the form of Canalave's theme being a remix of the "THE END" screen theme I love the relationship between Gens 2 and 4
I have heard they were going to add different Starter Pokémon instead of Totodile & Cyndaquil. But I am glad they added these 2 because I love the Totodile evolution line & even to this day, Gen 2 is the only generation where I love all of the starters in the game! I love Totodiles line the most, but I love all of the starters!
White doesn’t absorb any colors, it reflects them. And black both absorbs all light as well is the absence of color (as it doesn’t reflect any light for us to see so we see nothing)
That’s true for light color theory. When using them as pigments though, like with painting/inks, it’s the opposite. Combining all colors gets you black, but there are no colors you can mix together to get white. It would make sense this way too since Pallet town could refer to an empty paint pallet.
I don’t necessarily think the new Pokémon design have gotten worst since Gen 2, but I think the freaking art was just straight up better. The guide books especially look so good as everything looks like it’s watercolored. Everything now looks so over saturated and flat in drawing from Gamefreak. The Pokémon cards though I can still see that amazing art though so at least we still got that going for us.
Can you imagine Bugsy with Scyther, Pinsir, Heracross and maybe Scissor just for good measure? That feels like a challenge we could get excited with \o/
I'm glad we finally got the Girafarig evolution that we've been waiting for for so long! And it's super cool that Shuckle was supposed to evolve as well! I wonder if we will get that evolution in a future regions or not? Hopefully yes, but we'll have to wait and see! The facts In this video were very cool! Keep up the great work!
im sorry i have to say something, from like 8:00 you just looped the most annoying part of that battle track for a solid minute and a half and it started to drive me absolutely insane
The Orre Region is heavily underrated especially that the region is very scarce in pokemon ( either from people giving you pokemon or rescue them from being a shadow version ) and I would love Pokemon Stadium and Colloseum to be remastered or remade on Nintendo Switch.
When talking about the theme of time on Gold and Silver, Ho-oh what suppose to represent the sun and Lugia was suppose to represent the moon! Obviously we ended up getting more obvious sun and moon Pokemon but I still thought it was neat!
Fantastic video dude. As for the black and white thing, it actually goes both ways. Black is the sum of all colors when a blackish stain is obtained from the mixture of various pigments and black is also the absence of color when all light radiation is removed.
We need a Legends Celebi game with all the cut pokemon in it and the impostor Oak in the story because we know from Kanto that his ancestor was important.
I’m pretty sure that the group HiResPokemon is who recovered the Gen 2 artwork of the Johto Gym Leaders and Elite Four. The artwork was previously unavailable until they did the hard work of compiling resources and restoring it back in 2019, far before Lewtwo’s archive was created. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I would be sad to see their efforts go unnoticed.
While this symbolism of Blackthorn City isn't as overt in the English version due to Pallet Town's English name having nothing to do with "white," it does fit in the Japanese version as the Japanese name of Blackthorn City is named after fusube-iro, a smoky black color, thus it still basically keeps "black" in its name. Though, a "pallet" is still, as everyone knows, where a painter would have bits of all of the paint colors that they're going to be using on their project, but they can still mix bits of paint on their own section should their project call for that mixed color, which, of course, can create black. Thus, while it is slightly different between localizations, I think the symbolism had to have been intended; at least from the time of creating Gold/Silver.
5:44 That straw doll Pokémon maybe based on voodoo but instead based on "wara ningyō" meaning Straw Doll / Effigy a Japanese katashiro ("substitute") doll made of straw like in the Ushi-no-toki-mairi a ritual that can curse people by hammering a nail in it during the hour of the Ox (1 to 3 a.m.)
I found a ROM hack, so to speak, that is essentially a finalized version (using a Crystal ROM) of the Spaceworld '97 demo, and it even features a post-game map, as well as the Crystal Battle Tower, and all the cut Pokémon, like Kurstraw (the voodoo doll with the Curse move, mentionned at the beginning of the video). In my opinion, it's what should have been the final gen II games, but oh well, what we got is still pretty amazing. But the finalized demo is really fucking dope.
That 1st fact made me also realize that Black and White were also the last games named after colors, so almost like they just absorbed all the color like you explained.
The move Curse being associated with a nail is partly to do with the cut Pokemon's design origin. In Japan, there is a folk belief in a form of curse that involves driving a nail through a straw doll in effigy of someone you dislike. This is believed to cause pain and misfortune. Which is also why it's Nobura's signature curse power in Jujutsu Kaizen. This practice is seemingly older than Japan's contact with Houdon/voodoo, so it's not actually a voodoo doll. The use of a "sleigh bell" is more to do with that style of bell being much more common in Japan than tongue bells. They're the type normally seen on cat collars regardless of where you come from anyway. Not only is the Johto Bike theme a sped up remix of Goldenrod City's music, but the bike theme in Red and Blue is a sped up version of Celadon City's.
Awesome video! It's crazy that after so many years you can still learn new things about the old Pokemon games. I really wish that someday we'd get to play the demo version.
The fact that the evolutions for Shuckle and Girafarig makes me wonder where their concept art is. It must exist somewhere, since their evolution data existed in the 1998 version of the games up until the last minute. I remember the twin-headed version of Girafarig, and I wonder if that was going to be used for the evolution, before there was a second guess. My guess is that their sprites were not completed in time, or their designs were not considered adequate.
Definitely reaching with that first one, a palette is not white paint it’s where you put your paint, and newbark is not a colour, nor are most of the towns in Johto, some have a colour in their name, but their not all colours.
The black and white is the other way around, and pallete is not white they named the town pallete after the artist's palette where you store the paint while you are painting for example.
Actually, both things are true. Black is the sum of all colors when a blackish stain is obtained from the mixture of various pigments and black is also the absence of color when all light radiation is removed.
When you spoke about the journey from white (Pallet) to black (Blackthorn), I realized that the pinnacle of the entire journey is basically gray (Mt. Silver), a combination of both!
Okey i need that Voodoo Doll Pokemon to make it into an actual game now it looks adorable. I kind of want Dorkly to make a video of Shuckle watching this video and learning he was meant to get an evolution but it got cut. I wanna see Dorkly Shuckle's spirit break once and for all. 😂😂😂
Also, Johto towns can relate to colors but are actually trees, hence New Bark Town, and the professors all have tree based names in early gens. In fact, Pallet town can also relate to plants in this fashion as most plants are started in a pallet as well.
i wonder if the old chateau would’ve been where you catch misdreavous / murkrow / houndour but because it was cut is the reason we only see them in kanto
18:55 of course we do have the impostor professor oak card in the TCG as well around that time... In the base set. So yea that seems like something they could of had in mind for a while
Random side note/thought about Bertha: She wears a scarf in her official art. Could that possibly be a nod to the days when she was Agatha and was in Snowpoint City?
Ahhh, roughly 20 years later and now I finally understand those Imposter Prof. Oak cards from the trading card game! Knowing that was an idea dropped from Gold/Silver makes a lot more sense!
The demo wouldn’t of been the final version with four months until release. They lock in a demo/build months/years beforehand and won’t modify them. They were more than likely working on newer builds months before that demo saw the light of day, which is why the finally versions of the game wouldn’t of been made in four months or however long there after. It’s common practice in the games industry :)
I honestly believe that Kurt having a battle sprite has something to do with him battling team rocket in slowpoke well.. maybe a double battle ? The player and Kurt? If you remember he fell in the well and hurt his back. Maybe a double battle was planned and then scrapped.
Headcanon for Kurt's original role in the story is that he was the "boss" of a quest involving King's Rock post-E4 and his Pokemon were a couple of Slowpoke and a Slowking. Once you beat him he gives you a King's Rock and sends you on a short quest to obtain the GS Ball and unlocks the Celebi quest once you give him the item.
You have the science of black and white backwards my friend. Black is the absence of color and white is the full spectrum of colors combined. If you shine a white light through the proper type of stone, the colors will separate and you’ll be able to see spectrum through the stone.
Correction: You got black and white mixed up. Black is the absence of colour as it's the lack of light reaching our eyes that creates the colour while white is all colours combined. If you're thinking of mixing paint together and mixing all the colours together, you'd actually get very dark brown if you did something like that.
To stem off of the 1st fact of the video, while booting up any of the Kanto games you are initially met with a white screen before the intro plays. Meanwhile if you boot up a Johto game the screen is black before the intro. So I can definitely see some correlation with those ideas.
Y’all don’t even know how special Gen II is; Gamefreak was going broke and thought that that would be their last game so it truly is a Project filled with Love and IS a direct sequel ; not “kinda”.
I think what ever will be released in terms of Unova, won't be a sequel or a remake, but more of a spiritual successor to the black and white games, in terms of Legends I think the next logical choice will be Johto, so with the Unova games coming I think it will be more of a "revisit the region" situation with a huge connection to Gen 9 paradox gimmick and a story that doesn't require you to play the OG Unova games and their sequels or to know the story. Original Dragon would be really cool to finally get our hands on though so either way I reckon that will end up being the selling point of the games.
I have to point out you're incorrect about the colors for Pallet and Blackthorn. Yes blank pallets are usually white or off white. But Pallet refers to a canvas that has yet to recieve any color, as in the beginning of a story. Also white is the combination of all colors, while black is the absence of color.
Imposter Oak would be interesting for the radio tower part as oak has his own radio show right? perhaps it wasnt the radio tower guy who gets kidnapped, it was oak
Your white and black anaolgie only works with physical colour... paint, crayons, pencils, etc... but with light it's the opposite, white is the sum of all colours, where black is the absence of wavelength
The team rocket executive in the final gen 2 game we know disguises himself as the director in the radio tower, so maybe the original plan was to disguise himself as Professor Oak instead in order to get access into the radio tower building since Professor Oak has his radio show there!
Lol 69nth like😂 also thats an interesting theory considering theres an evil professor oak pokemon card in i think og ken sugimori art
Dang I always wondered about that and I think you’re right
Bro like ypu should definitely play pokemon gold 97 reforged there is literally a evil oak in that rom
The Imposter Oak thing is especially interesting because there were also trading cards of that same character. I’d love to see that idea fully brought back somehow
That was actually where my mind went when I heard that it was the original idea. That card always kinda creeped me out as a kid lol
Note, I originally put this reply on a different comment by mistake. Apparently I'm a dumbass lmao
pokemon company and nintendo wasting the chance to complete these prototypes and sell them on virtual consoles as pokemon bronze or tin or some other far less elegant metal xD
considering the art style and storyline it would be for a different target market, but that's us curious and ready to adventure in it
The obvious thing to do is to introduce Imposter Oak only later for it to be revealed being Petrel in disguise.
@@KalebCorvidme too, the card was so creepy!😂
Uwawara isnt based off a voodoo doll. Its based off a straw effigy used in the ritual necessary to perform a traditional Japanese curse known as Ushi No Toki Mairi or in English: Shrine Visit At The Hour Of The Ox. The ritual requires one to make a straw effigy of the person they wish to inflict with some of that persons hair or a scrap of clothing belonging to them. From there the person must "visit" the local Shinto shrine between 1-3 AM and nail the effigy to the tree in the place they wish the curse to affect the person. They must make a new doll and perform this same act each night for a week. Btw the shrines arent open at this time of night and such you arent allowed there so youll be breaking in. The curse starts with a feeling of mild discomfort in the affected area. Each night the action is performed successfully the feeling grows stronger becoming immense and unbearable pain. Upon the 7th night the inflicted person dies. If you get caught by the monks keeping watch or miss your mark with the nail, the curse turns upon you and kills you before the night is out. Hence, why Curse takes 6 turns, becoming worse and worse each time. And why your own hp is cut as well.
Damn i didn't know thanks for the information
That's interesting. However curse inflicts ¼ of the opponents health which would only take 4 turns.
Holy shit that's morbid (and very well represented in-game lol)
So a voodoo doll...
Correction, Igglybuff doesn't evolve via Moon Stone, nor does Cleffa. They are friendship evolutions. It's their evolutions that evolves to their next forms via Moon Stone.
Oh your soooooooooo smart! Here ya go buddy 🍪👍
Correction, Igglybuff and cleffa are pokemon, not friendship evolutions, or evolutions at all for that matter. Keep studying?
Whats cool is the intro battle in red/blue is gengar vs nidorhino... it's oak vs agatha.... oak was using a nidorhino instead of a nidoking b3cause the meteor that would hit Mt. Moon hasn't arrived yet(then) so there were no moonshine to use
Moonstones*
Rumor has it that the Cut Wind Dog from the final pre-Lugia beta was intended to be Silvers Box Art Legendary,as Lugia wan't made by Nintendo or Game Freak,but as an Anime Movie exclusive Mon made by Anime Head Writer,Takeshi Shudo. But thanks to the delay,Lugia was added to the games.
Have you ever heard the story of lugias creation.... holy shit is it a wild ride
Let me clarify... the irl creation, not the lore of the character
Man hearing those Kanto and Johto bike teams really took me back ❤️🥺
That Schuckle evolution’s stats and typing looked worse than Shuckle’s, but there would have been one upside…
Eviolite Shuckle was almost a thing
You don't fuckle with Shuckle
Pallet town has that name because it’s based on the artist’s palette, and the other cities are blotches of paint on the palette. In other words, the player’s adventure is an art form, and every player gets to choose the colors on their palette (Pokémon in their party) to paint an image of their success and victory.
Weird he didn't pick on that, instead going for a a flimsy take. When black is the absence of colours, and white the opposite.
Yeah when he started talking about it meaning white I was literally saying "what!?". cuz it's obviously named after a palette.
And then there's Johto, starting with New Bark and with every town named for a plant. And where's the league for both? The Indigo Plateau, both a color and a plant.
Also pallet like something you sleep on i.e. when you start your adventure in pallet town it's like you're waking up and getting out of bed to start your adventure
@@bri1085no that’s what Black and White are in regards to color light, pigment is the opposite (iir my art classes correctly that is.)
For day and night, Ho-oh is day (title screen is day), Lugia is night (title screen is night), and with Celebi being time travel can be seen as the time trio.
The title screen is actually Lugia in the sea
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@@patonosequecosa yes, but they deliberately also chose to make it the sea at night.
@@dcmjstar it’s dark because Lugia is deep under the ocean, not because it’s night time. But it still works because when Lugia flies it creates huge storms which darkens the sky
I'll say one here that I believe not many people knows.
The beta name for New Bark Town in the space world demo was called "Silent Hill"
This was because the real-life counterpart of New Bark Town is Shizuoka in Japan. Shizuoka, written as 静岡 in Japanese, and the two Kanji literally means "Silence" and "Hill"
Most beta town names in the Space World demo are also directly taken from their real-world counterpart as a beta names.
The "Blue Forest" mentioned in this video is literally a real-life location in Japan 青森 (Aomori, literally means Blue Forest) in the Tohoku region.
Huh I always wondered why they called the town Silent Hill. That makes a lot of sense.
Also that demo came out before the Silent Hill horror series debuted, but the games came out after they debuted, which is likely why they changed the name, to avoid the association.
a lot of this is probably because johto was originally meant to be all of japan, or so it seems.
To think Shuckle almost had an evolution. Maybe the Shuckle in the Dorkly animations isn’t so crazy after all.
I love Cyndaquil and Totodile and am glad they exist, but I really wish Game Freak will one day decide to make Honōguma and Kurusu official Pokémon one day. They look so cute and I wonder what they would have evolved into... 🥺
How about the fact that pallet town can also refer to a wide range of colors. Such as a pallete of colors, encompassing what will play out as we go on in the game and see the cities named after colors.
Battling Kurt would make sense because he could then show off the new Pokeballs and mechanics.
Learning about cut content from Johto will never not be fascinating
A neat bit for that Agatha trivia you mentioned, Agatha, Bertha, and Charm are probably related in another way, being the way that each of their names start, with the letters A, B, & C, the first three letters of the alphabet.
Also, that Burned Tower cut quest sounds very similar to the plot of the 3rd Pokemon Movie.
AgathA, berthA, charmA.......dialgA
I don’t think their names starting with in alphabetical order are solid enough reasons for them to be related.
Coincidently, Lt. Surge given the ranking of Major makes a lot more sense. The badge you receive from him actually resembles the insignia for the US Army rank of Major.
I loved this 😁 Kanto and Johto together are my all time favorites. Nice job I’m happy the material wasn’t boring.
Johto towns are mosty named after flowers/plants rather than just colors. Azalea, Violet, Goldenrod, Mahogany, (Cherry)grove, and Blackthorn are all plants. Olivine is a green mineral though.
Olives are plants, so are vines.
@@doomsdayrabbit4398 yes I was initially going with that , but "Olivine" is a soft, green mineral.
@@doomsdayrabbit4398that’s true, but Olivine isn’t a plant.
@@JZJ7777 Nor does any tree have cyan wood. Olivine City clearly has a dual meaning - olive vine, for the plant theme, and olivine, for the mineral theme to go with its Gym Leader Jasmine and her metallic Pokémon.
1:54 ACTUALLY :
White is the mix of all the colors and black is the basence of colors
Thank you! That was killing me 😂
Actually, both things are true. Black is the sum of all colors when a blackish stain is obtained from the mixture of various pigments and black is also the absence of color when all light radiation is removed.
White is the absence of color in art. Black is all of them together.
Lol hit me so hard
Additive vs. subtractive color mixing, both exist
All of these were super interesting. In my several playthroughs of Gold when I was a kid I did eventually figure out that the games were about the sun and moon and time of day. Something about the time settings gave it away as well as the pokemon. I remember messing with the time settings, iirc you have to talk to your mom to do that. Then you can even set daylight savings time. Made me wonder why its so important they would include that? Then noticing that Ho-oh and Lugia look like the sun and moon respectively. At some point it all clicked together. Kinda wish they did more with that, but I guess they got to revisit those concepts with S&M.
u mean to make the box legends easier to catch with dusk ball? took me hours for second ho-oh in soul silver where i was blowing thru it for double rayquaza.
I think the concept of white to black for town names more so come from
Karate and the belts system, beginners start off with white belts, and eventually make their way up to black belts. Tho I think it’s based on the older way of karate where martial artists only got one belt and the blood sweat, tears, dirt, and whatever eventually dye the belt black. To symbolize the experience the martial artist have gone through. Other martial arts have similar belt systems like tae kwon do. You’re not wrong by any means, just that martial arts was probably the inspiration for the town names.
Here's a good one: Canalave city is modelled after Newtype City from the G/S '97 betas, and there seems to be a possible nod to this in the form of Canalave's theme being a remix of the "THE END" screen theme
I love the relationship between Gens 2 and 4
I have heard they were going to add different Starter Pokémon instead of Totodile & Cyndaquil. But I am glad they added these 2 because I love the Totodile evolution line & even to this day, Gen 2 is the only generation where I love all of the starters in the game! I love Totodiles line the most, but I love all of the starters!
Plus they did a great job with Luigas design! He is my favorite Legendary!
Isn't the thing with black and white the other way around? White absorbs all light and black is the absence of light
Good video though! Love Johto.
Came here to say that too, since prisms are from white or clear objects, not dark
White doesn’t absorb any colors, it reflects them. And black both absorbs all light as well is the absence of color (as it doesn’t reflect any light for us to see so we see nothing)
That’s true for light color theory. When using them as pigments though, like with painting/inks, it’s the opposite. Combining all colors gets you black, but there are no colors you can mix together to get white. It would make sense this way too since Pallet town could refer to an empty paint pallet.
I don’t necessarily think the new Pokémon design have gotten worst since Gen 2, but I think the freaking art was just straight up better. The guide books especially look so good as everything looks like it’s watercolored.
Everything now looks so over saturated and flat in drawing from Gamefreak. The Pokémon cards though I can still see that amazing art though so at least we still got that going for us.
We need the Steel type's effectiveness to have more. Weak to Electric and Water as intended. that NEEDS to be an update for the steel type.
Then poor Bastiodon and Aggron. Duel weak to water, ground and fighting lol
@@bchery1 minerals within the water is whats conducting electricity. So rock should also be weak to electric.
Can you imagine Withney being the second gym leader! That would be devastating
😳
Can you imagine Bugsy with Scyther, Pinsir, Heracross and maybe Scissor just for good measure?
That feels like a challenge we could get excited with \o/
I'm glad we finally got the Girafarig evolution that we've been waiting for for so long! And it's super cool that Shuckle was supposed to evolve as well! I wonder if we will get that evolution in a future regions or not? Hopefully yes, but we'll have to wait and see! The facts In this video were very cool! Keep up the great work!
Shuckle + eviolite = OP
Would most likely be quick banned in little cup considering its base stat total is almost the same as scythers
im sorry i have to say something, from like 8:00 you just looped the most annoying part of that battle track for a solid minute and a half and it started to drive me absolutely insane
I always thought that Pallet was a play off of a painters pallet. A blank slate ready to hold color.
Black is actually the absence of colour, while white is the entire colour wheel into one.
It could have also been the reference to upcoming games at that time being black and white
The next could be both Hoenn and Orre region. Would love to learn more about the Orre region
The Orre Region is heavily underrated especially that the region is very scarce in pokemon ( either from people giving you pokemon or rescue them from being a shadow version ) and I would love Pokemon Stadium and Colloseum to be remastered or remade on Nintendo Switch.
The color theme blew my freaking mind. Beautiful symbolism from Pallet Town(white) to Blackthorne City 🙌
When talking about the theme of time on Gold and Silver, Ho-oh what suppose to represent the sun and Lugia was suppose to represent the moon! Obviously we ended up getting more obvious sun and moon Pokemon but I still thought it was neat!
Fantastic video dude. As for the black and white thing, it actually goes both ways. Black is the sum of all colors when a blackish stain is obtained from the mixture of various pigments and black is also the absence of color when all light radiation is removed.
We need a Legends Celebi game with all the cut pokemon in it and the impostor Oak in the story because we know from Kanto that his ancestor was important.
I’m pretty sure that the group HiResPokemon is who recovered the Gen 2 artwork of the Johto Gym Leaders and Elite Four. The artwork was previously unavailable until they did the hard work of compiling resources and restoring it back in 2019, far before Lewtwo’s archive was created. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I would be sad to see their efforts go unnoticed.
While this symbolism of Blackthorn City isn't as overt in the English version due to Pallet Town's English name having nothing to do with "white," it does fit in the Japanese version as the Japanese name of Blackthorn City is named after fusube-iro, a smoky black color, thus it still basically keeps "black" in its name. Though, a "pallet" is still, as everyone knows, where a painter would have bits of all of the paint colors that they're going to be using on their project, but they can still mix bits of paint on their own section should their project call for that mixed color, which, of course, can create black. Thus, while it is slightly different between localizations, I think the symbolism had to have been intended; at least from the time of creating Gold/Silver.
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5:44 That straw doll Pokémon maybe based on voodoo but instead based on "wara ningyō" meaning Straw Doll / Effigy a Japanese katashiro ("substitute") doll made of straw like in the Ushi-no-toki-mairi a ritual that can curse people by hammering a nail in it during the hour of the Ox (1 to 3 a.m.)
The color thing is a stretch. The towns in Johto are all named after _plants,_ not colors. Blackthorn just happens to be the name of a type of plant.
oOoOO, this series is honestly great. I can't wait for the Hoenn video 🤩
Always a delight to learn more about my favourite games. This is brilliant 🎉
I found a ROM hack, so to speak, that is essentially a finalized version (using a Crystal ROM) of the Spaceworld '97 demo, and it even features a post-game map, as well as the Crystal Battle Tower, and all the cut Pokémon, like Kurstraw (the voodoo doll with the Curse move, mentionned at the beginning of the video).
In my opinion, it's what should have been the final gen II games, but oh well, what we got is still pretty amazing. But the finalized demo is really fucking dope.
❤ music break in the middle for goldenrod and bike theme is pure class 👏
That 1st fact made me also realize that Black and White were also the last games named after colors, so almost like they just absorbed all the color like you explained.
Thank god there wasn’t a Shuckle evolution, imagine the defense of an eviolite Shuckle
The move Curse being associated with a nail is partly to do with the cut Pokemon's design origin. In Japan, there is a folk belief in a form of curse that involves driving a nail through a straw doll in effigy of someone you dislike. This is believed to cause pain and misfortune. Which is also why it's Nobura's signature curse power in Jujutsu Kaizen.
This practice is seemingly older than Japan's contact with Houdon/voodoo, so it's not actually a voodoo doll.
The use of a "sleigh bell" is more to do with that style of bell being much more common in Japan than tongue bells. They're the type normally seen on cat collars regardless of where you come from anyway.
Not only is the Johto Bike theme a sped up remix of Goldenrod City's music, but the bike theme in Red and Blue is a sped up version of Celadon City's.
9:00 bruh this music loop is painful
for real
Awesome video! It's crazy that after so many years you can still learn new things about the old Pokemon games.
I really wish that someday we'd get to play the demo version.
Ok but that infinitely repeating section of the Kanto music in the background gave me anxiety
seriously same. made me turn the volume down
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one that noticed. I couldn't focus on what they were saying because it was so bothersome.
The fact that the evolutions for Shuckle and Girafarig makes me wonder where their concept art is. It must exist somewhere, since their evolution data existed in the 1998 version of the games up until the last minute. I remember the twin-headed version of Girafarig, and I wonder if that was going to be used for the evolution, before there was a second guess.
My guess is that their sprites were not completed in time, or their designs were not considered adequate.
The whole bike theme remix thing comes as a surprise that I should have noticed
The way you said "meaning" and "fascinating" always tickles me. Awesome video hoops. Please continue this series.
I love this! I want to see these for all of the regions!
Seeing this made my day! Thanks for the content!
Definitely reaching with that first one, a palette is not white paint it’s where you put your paint, and newbark is not a colour, nor are most of the towns in Johto, some have a colour in their name, but their not all colours.
The black and white is the other way around, and pallete is not white they named the town pallete after the artist's palette where you store the paint while you are painting for example.
Actually, both things are true. Black is the sum of all colors when a blackish stain is obtained from the mixture of various pigments and black is also the absence of color when all light radiation is removed.
@@RoyArkon if you want to go more in detail neither white or black are colors, they are shaders.
but I got your point 👍
@@TerashiArtNames and their meanings are about (historical) symbolism, not what they "technically"/truly are.
When you spoke about the journey from white (Pallet) to black (Blackthorn), I realized that the pinnacle of the entire journey is basically gray (Mt. Silver), a combination of both!
Gen 2 towns are named after plants..
They are both plant and colours. Fuschia city in Kanto also a name for a plant and colour.
Man, I so badly wish we’d have gotten that Curse mon. That thing just looks and sounds super cool.
Okey i need that Voodoo Doll Pokemon to make it into an actual game now it looks adorable.
I kind of want Dorkly to make a video of Shuckle watching this video and learning he was meant to get an evolution but it got cut. I wanna see Dorkly Shuckle's spirit break once and for all. 😂😂😂
24:05 so there's a timeline where Shuckle got an evolution, which means later on Shuckle would have been able to use Eviolite.
Also, Johto towns can relate to colors but are actually trees, hence New Bark Town, and the professors all have tree based names in early gens. In fact, Pallet town can also relate to plants in this fashion as most plants are started in a pallet as well.
i wonder if the old chateau would’ve been where you catch misdreavous / murkrow / houndour but because it was cut is the reason we only see them in kanto
18:55 of course we do have the impostor professor oak card in the TCG as well around that time... In the base set. So yea that seems like something they could of had in mind for a while
Random side note/thought about Bertha: She wears a scarf in her official art. Could that possibly be a nod to the days when she was Agatha and was in Snowpoint City?
It's great to finally get some history on the odd parts of early Pokemon.
Steel being weak to Water and Electric makes 1000x more sense than fighting and ground but that's just me
Ahhh, roughly 20 years later and now I finally understand those Imposter Prof. Oak cards from the trading card game! Knowing that was an idea dropped from Gold/Silver makes a lot more sense!
The demo wouldn’t of been the final version with four months until release. They lock in a demo/build months/years beforehand and won’t modify them. They were more than likely working on newer builds months before that demo saw the light of day, which is why the finally versions of the game wouldn’t of been made in four months or however long there after. It’s common practice in the games industry :)
I enjoyed this video immensely. I look forward to more in this series.
I honestly believe that Kurt having a battle sprite has something to do with him battling team rocket in slowpoke well.. maybe a double battle ? The player and Kurt? If you remember he fell in the well and hurt his back. Maybe a double battle was planned and then scrapped.
Keep these coming, awesome content. I don't deep dive into the demos and other secrets etc, so all of this is new to me. Appreciate the research
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I also like the reference to Jackie Chan and jet lee
I’m always here for Johto content
I didn't know a lot of things that came up on this video. Good job! 😊.
First fact is made funny in that HGSS are followed up by Black and White!
Because it is supposed to be a soft reboot of Pokemon. I guess that’s the reason they went back to colours instead of gemstone.
@@goldenboy1805 Makes one wonder if SV is a soft reboot too.
I saw IbuClair, I click, no question.
Headcanon for Kurt's original role in the story is that he was the "boss" of a quest involving King's Rock post-E4 and his Pokemon were a couple of Slowpoke and a Slowking. Once you beat him he gives you a King's Rock and sends you on a short quest to obtain the GS Ball and unlocks the Celebi quest once you give him the item.
You have the science of black and white backwards my friend. Black is the absence of color and white is the full spectrum of colors combined. If you shine a white light through the proper type of stone, the colors will separate and you’ll be able to see spectrum through the stone.
Welp, you get a subscriber. I don’t hand those out too often, but very well made video. Keep up the good work
wasn't professor Oak from Sinnoh too? Rowan did study with him. That could be where Agatha and his rivalry began.
Correction: You got black and white mixed up. Black is the absence of colour as it's the lack of light reaching our eyes that creates the colour while white is all colours combined.
If you're thinking of mixing paint together and mixing all the colours together, you'd actually get very dark brown if you did something like that.
This was very awesome. Pls make one for the other regions too
The cut Imposter Oak was acually made into a Pokemon card, funny call back i guess.
To stem off of the 1st fact of the video, while booting up any of the Kanto games you are initially met with a white screen before the intro plays. Meanwhile if you boot up a Johto game the screen is black before the intro. So I can definitely see some correlation with those ideas.
This was an impressive level of info I wasn’t aware of 🙌🙌
Wish they would bring the evolution of shuckle back
Y’all don’t even know how special Gen II is; Gamefreak was going broke and thought that that would be their last game so it truly is a Project filled with Love and IS a direct sequel ; not “kinda”.
I think what ever will be released in terms of Unova, won't be a sequel or a remake, but more of a spiritual successor to the black and white games, in terms of Legends I think the next logical choice will be Johto, so with the Unova games coming I think it will be more of a "revisit the region" situation with a huge connection to Gen 9 paradox gimmick and a story that doesn't require you to play the OG Unova games and their sequels or to know the story. Original Dragon would be really cool to finally get our hands on though so either way I reckon that will end up being the selling point of the games.
I have to point out you're incorrect about the colors for Pallet and Blackthorn. Yes blank pallets are usually white or off white. But Pallet refers to a canvas that has yet to recieve any color, as in the beginning of a story. Also white is the combination of all colors, while black is the absence of color.
I always took New Bark Town slogan "where winds to a new beginning grow" was a hint of the route leading to Kanto.
Imposter Oak would be interesting for the radio tower part as oak has his own radio show right? perhaps it wasnt the radio tower guy who gets kidnapped, it was oak
Looking forward to your iceberg video. It’s inevitable 👀
I just want a game where you start in Kanto and Johto is the post game.
Love these videos
Why did a large segment of the video loop a short clip of the battle theme? It really distracted me. 😢
Your white and black anaolgie only works with physical colour... paint, crayons, pencils, etc... but with light it's the opposite, white is the sum of all colours, where black is the absence of wavelength