I don’t know, I think we can trust him. Not only did he give us the DSC weapons, but he also made sure Elsie had a built in bakery. That’s more than Rasputin has ever done for me.
Clovis said that the Mindlab was in the rift, not the entire futurescape. The interior of the lab that housed Raspution is what changed, not the exterior.
@@Azrael_Equinox The rifts can be 1uite large in width, that's apparent from looking at Mars itself. So it's entirely likely that we genuinely cannot see the edges of the rift. HOWEVER, I would have definitely liked more overt visual nods to the time distortions.
When I saw this map and do a thorough double take, I actually believe that the Mindlab itself (and that I mean the place that actually houses Charlamaigne) is in the time warp and not the entire Futurescape Campus. Hence why there's the snow and ice, rusted cars, worn out buildings and the Pyramid ship.
Clovis can’t be trusted, but I also don’t think he’ll join the witness, I could be wrong but I don’t think his ego would allow for him to be subservient to another force (Plus you can’t have much of a legacy or be the “guiding hand of humanity” if of said humanity is dead)
I think the same. I feel that while he won't join the Witness, Clovis's action would probably swing right back around into a negative outcome for us such as launching a preemptive attack on the pyramid fleet, inadvertently leaving us vulnerable when that inevitably goes sideways.
Yeah, rasputin is 100% a clever string of code that emulates free will excellently, but I think that line has gotten increasingly thin over time, he's definitely developing true sentience
but what if Felwinter's 'spirit' was the result of the accumulation of the Traveler's light, his Ghosts perseverance, Rasputin's complicated programming, and his Exo/Vex technology? I mean Exo guardians are different, as the original Exo's contained human minds, which were affected by the Traveler's light. I just had a crazy thought - When they created Exo's, they disposed of the human body remains, right? What if one Ghost went to an Exo and raised it into a guardian, and another Ghost went to the human remains of that exo, and raised them, too? Like, what if we found out Shaw Han, for example, is the resurrected human form of Cayde-6? That would be interesting to explore.
@@freakctc That's.....actually an interesting question. Of course, we don't know if Clovis didn't just destroy the human remains.... I don't see that happening really but it would be interesting. Though, if it happened, I am not sure if guardians made from human remains would have the same character as the ones who were resurrected as exos. So perhaps there could be a guardian who was Cayde before he became exo but that doesn't mean he is like Cayde we knew.
I like the surprise in clovis' voice when he realized he couldnt decrypt the launch codes so easily. I think that clovis is underestimating rasputin and his granddaughters.
As an older gamer that have spent a lot of hours with D2 I still haven’t invested enough in how well or not well Bungie has tied all of this together. I was happy to be actually playing a map that had been gone for a long time.
At the beginning of the season Clovis comments on how much storage space Rasputin's exo frame has. I think Clovis is going to try to save a backup of himself in the frame to merge with Rasputin and try to control it.
And not just merge with it but become the overall primary controller of it, plus buy himself back a mobile body. By being present in the frame as the subminds are reconnected, he's slowly taking control of the framework that makes up Rasputin. And I'm also wondering if the reason Rasputin was fragmenting and deteriorating in the first place back in Arrivals is due to the time rifts on Mars now. What if we're the ones pulling him apart by taking his subminds from the past to fix him now?
@@leonalchamendris4036 I agree, I feel like Clovis is making himself indispensable in this process so that he can (effectively) weld himself to Rasputin. Notably: I think it would be interesting if our stealing of the submind fragments from these time rifts are not actually just back from Arrivals, but tracks back to the collapse itself and is why all the subminds were weakened during the collapse.
I come from the future and my oh my you should pick up that phone….CAUSE YOU FUCKING CALLED IT! Now I’m worried that Clovis is still squirreled away somewhere in Reds Exo body
@@lukefurno1151 I agree 100%. Clovis spent 3 weeks in that frame while also being able to communicate with the main installation of himself. He either installed a back door or searched for vulnerabilities to get back in. I don't think Clovis or Rasputin will make it too far into Lightfall.
The most logical explanation I can think of is that the “time wound” is more like a convergence of timelines and not tied to one specific moment. I could be way off but it’s a theory nonetheless.
I may be misremembering but isn't what makes the "time wounds" bad is that they screw up time completely within that pocket? I'd assumed what we were stepping into was a collision of points in time
I think the dialogue between Osiris and Ana explains the time rifts best. The rifts are NOT our past they are alternate timelines converging on Mars. So, judging the landscape, etc. by what we know happened in our timeline wouldn't work. I honestly think this Futurescape is in a timeline where the war minds are what we thought they were. Charlemagne is the warmind for Mars in that timeline. Would be really cool if I'm right.
I like the idea that Kelgorath is so useless, Xivu personally ensures he doesn't die, as he doesn't deserve it. It's nice to have re-occurring enemies like Fikrul or Alak-hul but Kelgorath kinda just seems like the "G1 Starscream archetype" of character, where he's constantly trying to be important, but always ends up as a joke of a failure. *And I love every second of it.*
In a heist I did earlier today, Clovis actually propositions the guardian to be a part of his personal guard. Of course to “help humanity”, but he wants to be the one and only being the guardian works for. He ends with something like consider it thoroughly so we “make the right decision” when the time comes. He definitely wants to overtake or control Rasputin to rule the sol system
I think he’s still stuck in the past, back when he actually had power and a presence in the system. nowadays though, he’s pretty overshadowed, he just doesn’t fully understand it
@@completelyaverageviewer Oh totally, I found it hella funny how Mara just dismisses him like okay you delirious old man. While I can see him make a grab for power, he just doesn't understand how powerful the beings are in this point in time. Like, we saved him from an attack from Xivu Arath's minions so...
@@thehalfbowlofrice he likely does see Rasputin as a chance for power (because he likely knows he’s not near as powerful as he was), and really that’s his only chance for any kind of power in his current position outside of maybe having some sort of hidden exo army… which I kind of doubt, but you never know. adding onto that though, I actually wouldn’t mind having some sort of Exo/new machine type enemy in the future
Even with a couple thousand hours in the game I still can't keep track of and really follow the storylines but to put it very simply is it possible Lightfall and whatever happens with the traveler leads to us guardians working for or with Clovis and/or Rasputin?
@Tyler Barse well, you can’t contribute all of Rasputin’s accomplishments/actions to Clovis, as Rasputin is a sentient AI with self preservation and war on the mind. also yes, Clovis’s exo form (which is Banshee, if I recall correctly?) alongside other exos did fight the vex incursion on Europa, but keep in mind that’s just the Vex. now, there are the Fallen, Cabal (ones that aren’t part of the Red Legion), Taken, Hive, etc etc and now there are multiple godlike entities on their way towards humanity? that’s quite a bit more to handle than just the Vex, and that wasn’t directly the actions of the Clovis we’re talking about (the one currently residing in the exo frame at the HELM). this Clovis wouldn’t be as capable of handling such an attack, and i don’t think he fully grasps the events currently happening or what’s bound to happen either, and even if he did regain control of Rasputin, it wouldn’t be enough to stop the enemies of humanity. Clovis may understand some of the current threats, but i definitely question the depth of his knowledge about them or the current/past/future events that have happened.
When I first saw him introduced as the season vendor I mumbled to myself “better not give him legs” but honestly Clovis AI I’m general seems clever enough to have a back door he is just sitting on to do something we don’t like
When you're trying to bust into the actual vault, after doing the escalation protocol part, Ana even comments she was the one changed the door codes. Then the Hive did, too. That means that room is from the current, which means only the mindlab itself is what is in the past.
Personally I took Clovis' dialogue as the Mind Lab itself being the only thing in the rift, however I do think they should have made that a little more clear visually. Returning to Mars was really cool though, now I really want them to further explain why they can't just bring back the entire destination.
I don't think they are portals to the "past" per se, I think they are the here and now and the Pyramids are just switching the places they want from different realities that are at a different time than ours, I don't think they can time travel, but I think they can shift between realities and choose the time and place they are arriving at.
As far as the temporal wound is concerned, Osiris says the wounds are more like windows into "versions of the past", or parallel realities. So, this is an alternate past, one overrun by Xivu Arath's Hive as they try to secure Charlemagne for the Witness. I'd say post-Collapse, given the snow and wear. As for Kelgorath the Cockroach/Risen from Bones...Sorry, but the only way we'll be getting rid of him is to find him in Xivu's Throne World and kill him there. Like how Guardians keep coming back no matter how many times you kill them if you don't get their Ghosts. Or he's the Hive's version of Taniks. One day, we'll have to deal with him as a Raid boss.
Bungie needed a reason to not actually update the areas to go along with the story. So they leaned on the “alternative reality” but it still doesn’t make sense why it all looks the same.
Weird thing about Elsie is that her voice sounds the same, but here accent is completely different. It's like the same VA was brought in, tried to do the same voice but forgot the accent she used and now it sounds weirdly Irish
Clovis raised some red flags this week in the story. I was surprised by Elsie's new voice, but I actually like it. But yeah, Clovis is MAJOR SUS!!! I'm also so happy that we FINALLY got CHARLEMAGNE in the game! And that conversation between Elsie and Mara. Hoo. That hits hard.
I absolutely LOVED the dialogue this week, especially Elsie's. I don't think I've ever heard someone get cut off during comm dialogue, and it felt so powerful.
It would be interesting for the climax of this season being Rasputin trying to wrest control of his arsenal after Clovis steals the warsats, with Ana and Mithrax sending us into the Exo’s mind to help Rasputin fight Clovis. Then, for the conflict to end with Rasputin being rebuilt and integrated into his Exo body, while Clovis ends up stuck in the engram as a prison. It’d be a great end to the season. It’d be a great way to end the season. It’d also be great if Rasputin altered his Exo body to reflect his personality as the Warmind (as see in some fanart) to further emphasize how Rasputin has grown to become more than a machine. He’s known trust, tragedy, joy, guilt, and like his namesake, he’s too stubborn to die to the Witness.
Frankly I'm surprised at no mention of Clovis's private chat with the Guardian... trying to put us in his pocket as well, thinking we can be bought out.
Definitely agree about the time rift thing. Even just a single distorted wall in front of the door would have fixed it. I thought that the time wounds would be a way to excuse the reintroduction of old patrol spaces and missions when those planets eventually return. So the D2 Mars would be surrounded in a time wound that replayed the events before arrivals including the campaign. The D1 mars would be in a time wound that took place during rise of iron. They provide plenty of excuses to have unchanged locations, but you can't say that they AREN'T from the old time periods and instead a co.pketwly new one, while still having things unchanged. What should have been done is either a time wound as we enter the vault, or just not say it's golden age Charlemagne.
Clovis watching my guardian pull a lightning pole out their ass: It’s clearly one of those pop up cans that you press with your thumb attached to a taser 🤓
@@ones9308 The power of paracausality is literally *defined* by its ability to run counter to the universe's will. I agree with the quote, in most cases, but the entire reason that paracausality works is because it actively refuses to be explained. It is a rainbow in a world where the laws of physics dictate that everything must the blue.
a possible explanation about the time periods of Mars, which, i think is the likely explanation bungie will give if this is revisited, is that alot of the futurescape is within a theoretical pre-warmind, post collapse time, but that on the horizon, we are seeing OUT of the timescar, to the present day; meaning the Martian Pyramid is actually, modern day, *there.* This opens many doors, obviously, and can put a neat bow on the inconsistencies here.
Clovis Bray is absolutely trustworthy. You can trust him to always act in what he sees as humanity's best interest (ie, whatever is best for Clovis Bray.)
I think as far as the timeframe of the mars location, it might be before the taking of the planets but after Rasputin’s defeat. So basically season of the arrivals? 7:22
It’s a shame that the lore for the Mars mission was such a mess, because I had soooo much fun playing it. It felt great to step back into the sands of Mars, reactivate the escalation protocol, and walk up to the mindlab once again. Mars was a great destination and it’s a real shame it’s gone
I kind of have to assume that charlemagne was just there long after the collapse and this is the correct time period. because this would be a VERY complex fuck up if it was on accident.
Really appreciated your critique of the inconsistencies on Mars, it really seemed kind of half-assed. I wonder if Clovis is going to try and hijack Rasputin and take him over? Could mean a Clovis boss fight at the end. I'd hate to see him go though, his voice actor is just amazing. Great videos, great lore, keep up the good work.
One of the things I have come to realize with Bungie, after the Forsaken came out and especially the Witch Queen (specially the legendary campaign) is that I don't have to really engage with the game beyond the expac and raid. If Bungie is able to produce legendary campaigns equal to the Witch Queen, I will treat this Destiny 2 like a box game ignore the low effort seasons. I'm happy content creators like Byf and Myelin games are here to keep me up to date on the lore.
Looking at the Destiny Reddit and seeing people say they like Clovis more than Ana and Elsie because are written like “woke children” because they hate the guy. I seriously saw a guy without any hint of irony compare Clovis to Rick Sanchez as if we were back in 2017 and as if Ana and Elsie were just too stupid to understand him.
I like to think what's going on with Mars is that when the witness was picking through Mars he altered time some places. Some places he went back further, some places he only went back sooner, back to Season of the Arrivals . It's a shaky theory, yes, but plausible. It would explain why some of the anomalies show golden age crops and equipment.
I really enjoy the entire presentation of your videos. They're very immersive for me and I'm just here to enjoy the lore, etc so I never noticed until now that you have almost one million subscribers. Congratulations on that and I can absolutely see why so many people enjoy your work. I hope it continues for as long as D2 is around. Thanks!
I'm _preeetty_ sure the most logical explanation for why Mars in the time heist looks the same as it did in SOA, is because the location is reused content, and Bungie was either too lazy to update it or forgot to.
Thought the time rift is inside Rasputin's diamond and was the reason Charlemagne was there, but really I'm just happy we had mars back for the time being. As for the 2 hive wizards, I believe that hive at that time would have had plenty of hive soldiers that would and could have survived that long unnoticed and unused by xivu arath, most likely some of the first hive created on fundament and survived through all hive conflicts up until now... it's not like every single hive what lives for an eon needs to be memorable? Only the ones that matter, that being the trio of gods, I'm sure there's still a handful of original fundament hive still remaining in xivu's army. But I'll admit killing them off this easily is a little underwhelming. But it still lines up in my mind.
I seriously thought by Witch queen, Elsie would've already told Ana everything about Clovis and even Banshee. I mean, in the dark universe Ana fell to the darkness exactly because Elsie kept too many secrets from Ana.
Didn't the dialog in the first week state that Rasputin splintering into subminds was a defensive mechanism that happened during Season of Arrivals? If that's the case, then the pyramid ship, the snow on the ground, the Hive and the Taken... all of it makes sense. Just because it's the past doesn't mean it's supposed to be the Golden Age.
What if Rasputin just effortlessly and suddenly zaps Clovis to death at the end of this seasonal quest? That would be kind of hilarious! Can’t wait to see what happens, and I BET you’ll make it to ONE MILLION SUBS before Lightfall releases! Great content as always, much love from Texas!
I think the reason why the Bray tech facility is so lore braking is because its the Center of the time warps as its the the place to witness was after and so several time periods are clashing
It makes sense for some things you mentioned, the pyramid is there on the horizon outside the time construct. In the first mission of savathun, you can enter the time fields and see the modern stuff, but its still possible to see the outside world as it is. They are rifts, little bits of time, not all encompassing. What you need happens to be in one, not everything else around it.
This is around the area where I got my 1st ever catalyst for my crimson. Especially from a commander that was sending out a bunch of psions which he knew a lot of them would die but it was a sacrifice he was willing to make
I was mildly surprised; not only did they have a big argument early in the seasonal story, but they had the live pseudo-cutscene at the start of the weekly story thread. (Bungie saving time by only slightly changing a vaulted environment and calling it new) (Kelgorath. Neo Darkblade. Hive Draugr. Target practice for us Guardians.)
Hello Byf, i can explain why about the time hopping confusions, as Osiris said based on what he said on the time rifts, like the Infinite Forest, they are doorways into parallel realities. Different versions of pasts or futures that may appear identical to our own by not the same as things may have happened in those points that did not happen in ours.
I loved the Hellas Basin on Mars. Seeing it again was really fun. But I do agree that more could have been done to clarify what was happening in the mindlab we go to.
I camnot shake the feeling that Kelgorath is being set up to become the boss of the reprisedcl Sunless Cell strike, for when we eventually return to the Dreadnaught, in the same way Navota has replaced Omnigul in the Disgraced strike.
I love “salty” BYF. I’m also glad he pointed out the discrepancies with bringing back Mars. I have no issues with Bungie reusing spaces, I’m actually for it, it was fun to go back there, but they need to do it right. Like if that whole zone was in the past why is it covered in Hive gunk? I’m also fully in the camp that Clovis is in league with the Witness. He’s all about power and who can offer him the most?
okay im gonna pull a theory for this perhaps the way hellese basin look when we do the hiest might be that this time wound is a bit wonky yes its going into the past but given this is the witness wanting the submind it may have altered it to only where the submind is from the outside of the mindlab its mars during arrivals but inside its golden age so that may explain why the futurescape is a bit odd in how its deigned
The dialogue at the end of the mars heist, with Ana and Osiris, where they discuss the timelines as they're presented in the rifts. Specifically they talk about how we can't influence future events by changing things in the "past" because what's in these rifts is not "our" past, just a version of it. They're alternate realities. I know that's apologetics for Bungie's sake, but it does mean that we can't say things like "the snow doesn't make sense, because that's Rasputin's doing and not Charlemagne, etc." We're not privy to the precise details of the timeline we're visiting, maybe the state of things does make sense.
I can’t remember exactly where this week but there was a voice line from Clovis that a piece of hive magic was “simply a specialised form of” some form of radiation. As far as I’m aware that’s the first time someone in game has quantified hive magics as a named tech.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Kelgorath is the reason Taniks is brought back to help get revenge on the Guardian but is smacked down by Taniks in comedic fashion.
I noticed that the mission tileset is the origional lay out of mars of the season of the warmind and top of the bunker is the same as rasputin's main control room just redesigned to be used as the "new" warsat bunker
My best guess would be that the Mars we're visiting in the new heist mission is Mars during Season of Arrivals. I say this because it looks identical to Mars from that time. Not only is the pyramid present, but so is Ana's old equipment from where she stood as a vendor back then. That would date this mission to the period AFTER Rasputin failed to shoot down a pyramid and got turned into an engram. Maybe this is supposed to imply that, when Rasputin got turned into an engram, some part of it remained on Mars and basically became Charlemagne. This would imply that Charlemagne only ever existed as a submind fragment, and that Charlemagne technically didn't exist anymore when Rasputin was reactivated sometime around the Warmind expansion. Rasputin's defeat at the hands of the pyramids therefore brought Charlemagne back without our realizing it, and that is what we're recovering. It's the only way I can possibly make sense of the heist mission, to be honest. Alternatively, it could be like others have suggested, where only the Mindlab itself is affected by the timewarp.
With the new Mars battleground I also wondered why they just reused the sunset Mars location, didn't change the sky box to make it look post witch queen or pre warmind, it's just so weird. I also would have liked to return to Mars to explore, not just have a couple missions there.
About the time warping - I agree with all of your points about "what this should look like", except for one. The Pyramid Ship would probably still be there, assuming it's outside the time rift-affected area.
"We probably killed two witches probably a billion years old." Me, absent mindedly dismantling blues and baking cookies after that mission: "Huh. Aint that funny."
I just keep waiting for Ana to call Clovis a Boomer. LOL. Seriouosly, I loved this week's story. While I agree with the confusion on the return to Mars and how it was presented, the member-berries for the Escalation Protocol towers and even the space was such a nice treat. I also trust Covis as far as I could chuck him across the HELM.
Re: the time snarl: I have to assume that whatever the time situation is with the Futurescape it doesn't extend out to where the Pyramid is. Indeed, it could be localized to just the Mindlab, which is why the interior of that room is the only thing that constitutes a major change to the floor plan (Hive gunk blocking a passageway doesn't count). But were that the case, why wasn't there a time rift effect in front of the door? Seems like an oversight.
I'm confused on the assumption that the futurescape in its entirety would be affected by the anomaly. Clovis did say in the HELM before we entered the mission that the MINDLAB itself is stuck in that time anomaly and not the futurescape in its entirety if I'm reading it correctly. You did clearly play the dialogue where he explained that alongside text saying its just the mindlab, so I don't get the interpretation as it meaning that the futurescape is also affected as well unless I missed something regarding the time rifts themselves. Now do I agree it could've been conveyed better visually in the mission? Absolutely. I do agree that having the time rift in the doorway itself would've been a good way to convey that you're entering a different time period of the mindlab rather than just only changing up the interior.
It's obvious that no one trusts Clovis. But obviously it can't and won't matter. We're never going to have a say in the matter, everything is just going to happen in front of us and there will be nothing for us to do about it. It's my biggest gripe about the game as a whole and it holds the story back immensely.
The braytech time wound is set at some point after Anna had taken over control of the place. We know this because ahe explains to Clovis that she is the one who changed security access commands from what he was expecting them to be, before the hive changed them again. So this place in time is at least sometime after Anna's awakening as a Guardian; which she waxes nostalgic about in her holo message. Somewhere within that span of time, she must have moved Rasputin's primary self to the Mindlab. I dont know what she would have done with Charlemagne at that time.
Mars has rift pockets of Past / Present overlapping all over the place. The easiest answer for "Why does mars look like this" is that. The Pyramid ship you can see, because that's the present, but the facility with the data we need is in a pocket of the past. Makes sense to me. Just like the first story mission of the witch queen expansion you walk past/through those time rifts, seeing both the past and the present at the same time in the same field of view. Seeing the Pyramid Ship in the distance doesn't feel out of place given how they've shown what the half in and half out time rifts look like already. I do wish they made the chamber have a little of those rift effects near the door or in the main boss room or something though.
I don’t know, I think we can trust him. Not only did he give us the DSC weapons, but he also made sure Elsie had a built in bakery. That’s more than Rasputin has ever done for me.
Clovis>Rasputin
@@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7 yo where can i find these leaks
@@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7 Destiny player try not to spoil the season challenge (Impossible)
@@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7 can't help but think this is just trying to bait in an angry response
@@justarandomaccount7011 Just search for datamined dialogue on YT. Mandatory spoiler warning, obviously.
Byf going off and *roasting* Kelgorath alive was an unexpected but wonderful pleasure.
Kelgorath: The Useless One
Kelgorath: the homeless blade
His glaive is great though lol
Kelgorath: The Forgettable
@@ooze1982 Kelgorath : The Who?
Trusting clovis is like holding a live grenade. Nothing happens at first, and then it goes off and you suffer for it.
no no no it’s more like playing Russian roulette.
@@dysunctionalmcdonaldsicecr7350 russian roulette with a fully loaded gun.
@@lukebarroso449 how apprapo for a Rasputin season
I feel like how it was teased at the beginning of the season. The Witness has been whispering to Clovis.
@@lukebarroso449 On single player mode
Can we also take a moment and remember that in this week's story mission Ana muted Clovis and apparently we could've done that this whole time
I wanted to hear him make fun of the hive more he was on to the right idea
NGL that made me laugh just the thought of Clovis talking for 30 mins straight with no repose kills me
Lmfao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I was weak XD its like bruh that made my whole day blocked lol grandpa clovis
my guy went out his way to scientifically explain magic and no-one was listening 🤣
The one time I actually wanted to listen to Clovis speak and Ana just goes *boop* "Muted."
Clovis said that the Mindlab was in the rift, not the entire futurescape. The interior of the lab that housed Raspution is what changed, not the exterior.
Actually, the paint on the buildings outside the mindlab is also different. The building Ana used to stand in has a 1 in black on it, for instance.
We should've at least seen the time distortion field then. Hell, not like they forgot what they looked like, there was 1 in spire of the watcher.
@@Azrael_Equinox perhaps the time rifts were far away from the warmind installation when we enter
@@MW2proification then now my problem then becomes why does the Futurescape look arguably more aged then the state we left it in, in 2020?
@@Azrael_Equinox The rifts can be 1uite large in width, that's apparent from looking at Mars itself. So it's entirely likely that we genuinely cannot see the edges of the rift.
HOWEVER, I would have definitely liked more overt visual nods to the time distortions.
Anyone else wish Banshee was a bigger part of this season?
Still time!
If only
Ada-1 as well. She’s basically the only non clovis Exo and could offer help with the unique challenges Rasputin poses.
Banshee and Ada have a nice conversation in a weapon lore tab. If that turns into something more going forward things could get interesting…
Yes, i actually expected Banshee to have Clovis memories and help us with no problems to repair Rasputin and later the SIVA.
When I saw this map and do a thorough double take, I actually believe that the Mindlab itself (and that I mean the place that actually houses Charlamaigne) is in the time warp and not the entire Futurescape Campus. Hence why there's the snow and ice, rusted cars, worn out buildings and the Pyramid ship.
_maybe_ that's the case?
Either that or it's just because it's reused content that wasnt updated properly
Copium
@@AFunkyFella funny thing is that they could've reused the original Mars destination and it would make more sense
Quite ironic
Or constants and variables
Which OP seems to get that a bit
Clovis can’t be trusted, but I also don’t think he’ll join the witness, I could be wrong but I don’t think his ego would allow for him to be subservient to another force
(Plus you can’t have much of a legacy or be the “guiding hand of humanity” if of said humanity is dead)
@@History_PodcastFinalAssignment Calus wasn't driven by ego, he's driven by nihilism and hedonism.
@@History_PodcastFinalAssignment Calus was waiting for darkness to arrive to our system since vanilla d2 tho
I think the same. I feel that while he won't join the Witness, Clovis's action would probably swing right back around into a negative outcome for us such as launching a preemptive attack on the pyramid fleet, inadvertently leaving us vulnerable when that inevitably goes sideways.
Clovis can definitely align himself with the Witness -- with delusions of eventually usurping them.
@@christianyaerger1751 He's egotistical.
Not stupid.
Also, a point that may be explored at some point: Some machines DEFINITELY have spirits. Namely Felwinter, an AI-turned-Guardian
Yeah, rasputin is 100% a clever string of code that emulates free will excellently, but I think that line has gotten increasingly thin over time, he's definitely developing true sentience
but what if Felwinter's 'spirit' was the result of the accumulation of the Traveler's light, his Ghosts perseverance, Rasputin's complicated programming, and his Exo/Vex technology?
I mean Exo guardians are different, as the original Exo's contained human minds, which were affected by the Traveler's light.
I just had a crazy thought - When they created Exo's, they disposed of the human body remains, right? What if one Ghost went to an Exo and raised it into a guardian, and another Ghost went to the human remains of that exo, and raised them, too? Like, what if we found out Shaw Han, for example, is the resurrected human form of Cayde-6? That would be interesting to explore.
@@freakctc no one would ever know tho, both would start in different places, have different personalities, different journeys, etc...
@@freakctc That's.....actually an interesting question. Of course, we don't know if Clovis didn't just destroy the human remains.... I don't see that happening really but it would be interesting.
Though, if it happened, I am not sure if guardians made from human remains would have the same character as the ones who were resurrected as exos. So perhaps there could be a guardian who was Cayde before he became exo but that doesn't mean he is like Cayde we knew.
@@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7 The Omnisaiah provides!
I like the surprise in clovis' voice when he realized he couldnt decrypt the launch codes so easily. I think that clovis is underestimating rasputin and his granddaughters.
As an older gamer that have spent a lot of hours with D2 I still haven’t invested enough in how well or not well Bungie has tied all of this together. I was happy to be actually playing a map that had been gone for a long time.
At the beginning of the season Clovis comments on how much storage space Rasputin's exo frame has. I think Clovis is going to try to save a backup of himself in the frame to merge with Rasputin and try to control it.
And not just merge with it but become the overall primary controller of it, plus buy himself back a mobile body.
By being present in the frame as the subminds are reconnected, he's slowly taking control of the framework that makes up Rasputin.
And I'm also wondering if the reason Rasputin was fragmenting and deteriorating in the first place back in Arrivals is due to the time rifts on Mars now. What if we're the ones pulling him apart by taking his subminds from the past to fix him now?
@@leonalchamendris4036 I agree, I feel like Clovis is making himself indispensable in this process so that he can (effectively) weld himself to Rasputin. Notably: I think it would be interesting if our stealing of the submind fragments from these time rifts are not actually just back from Arrivals, but tracks back to the collapse itself and is why all the subminds were weakened during the collapse.
I come from the future and my oh my you should pick up that phone….CAUSE YOU FUCKING CALLED IT!
Now I’m worried that Clovis is still squirreled away somewhere in Reds Exo body
@@lukefurno1151 I agree 100%. Clovis spent 3 weeks in that frame while also being able to communicate with the main installation of himself. He either installed a back door or searched for vulnerabilities to get back in. I don't think Clovis or Rasputin will make it too far into Lightfall.
"Once I am in control, all will be as it should be". That line from the introductory quest to this season keeps playing in my head.
I think: hmm what kinda gun can we turn him into
@@johngancarcik5682 it kills with condescending insults
@@LordBillygoat i'd love to kill a raid boss with a literal "fuck you" to the face
@@LordBillygoat GLaDOS potato, destiny ed.
Calling it now! He's going to try to take control of Rasputin and Rasputin is going to be like "Oh hell naw!"
yea in the end cutscene of the season it turns out bad.
my bet is on that Raz is killing bray
@@dysunctionalmcdonaldsicecr7350 we're too early in, it looks like that's the mid season twist.
Nah, more like stop Rasputin from becoming self-aware but we're gonna find some way to Sneak in the codes
I see Clovis restoring Rasputin, but stealing control of Rasputin's arsenal.
The most logical explanation I can think of is that the “time wound” is more like a convergence of timelines and not tied to one specific moment. I could be way off but it’s a theory nonetheless.
I may be misremembering but isn't what makes the "time wounds" bad is that they screw up time completely within that pocket? I'd assumed what we were stepping into was a collision of points in time
Its been showed and kinda explained the wounds being a window of the past to the present. Not a mishmash of stuff.
Here is hoping we get a scene with Banshee and Clovis this season. Its overdue.
Best explanation for Futurescap is that only the Warmind facility is caught in a time rift and everything else is present.
I think the dialogue between Osiris and Ana explains the time rifts best. The rifts are NOT our past they are alternate timelines converging on Mars. So, judging the landscape, etc. by what we know happened in our timeline wouldn't work. I honestly think this Futurescape is in a timeline where the war minds are what we thought they were. Charlemagne is the warmind for Mars in that timeline. Would be really cool if I'm right.
I like the idea that Kelgorath is so useless, Xivu personally ensures he doesn't die, as he doesn't deserve it.
It's nice to have re-occurring enemies like Fikrul or Alak-hul but Kelgorath kinda just seems like the "G1 Starscream archetype" of character, where he's constantly trying to be important, but always ends up as a joke of a failure. *And I love every second of it.*
Kelgorath isn't Starscream, he's Waspinator.
@@Iceykitsune No, you're completely correct. Not watch beast wars since it came out so I completely forgot about him
When we fight Xivu, he should be a boss before the fight with her just for giggles
hes a darkblade now
Or he's the taniks of the hive
In a heist I did earlier today, Clovis actually propositions the guardian to be a part of his personal guard. Of course to “help humanity”, but he wants to be the one and only being the guardian works for. He ends with something like consider it thoroughly so we “make the right decision” when the time comes. He definitely wants to overtake or control Rasputin to rule the sol system
I think he’s still stuck in the past, back when he actually had power and a presence in the system. nowadays though, he’s pretty overshadowed, he just doesn’t fully understand it
@@completelyaverageviewer Oh totally, I found it hella funny how Mara just dismisses him like okay you delirious old man. While I can see him make a grab for power, he just doesn't understand how powerful the beings are in this point in time. Like, we saved him from an attack from Xivu Arath's minions so...
@@thehalfbowlofrice he likely does see Rasputin as a chance for power (because he likely knows he’s not near as powerful as he was), and really that’s his only chance for any kind of power in his current position outside of maybe having some sort of hidden exo army… which I kind of doubt, but you never know.
adding onto that though, I actually wouldn’t mind having some sort of Exo/new machine type enemy in the future
Even with a couple thousand hours in the game I still can't keep track of and really follow the storylines but to put it very simply is it possible Lightfall and whatever happens with the traveler leads to us guardians working for or with Clovis and/or Rasputin?
@Tyler Barse well, you can’t contribute all of Rasputin’s accomplishments/actions to Clovis, as Rasputin is a sentient AI with self preservation and war on the mind. also yes, Clovis’s exo form (which is Banshee, if I recall correctly?) alongside other exos did fight the vex incursion on Europa, but keep in mind that’s just the Vex. now, there are the Fallen, Cabal (ones that aren’t part of the Red Legion), Taken, Hive, etc etc and now there are multiple godlike entities on their way towards humanity? that’s quite a bit more to handle than just the Vex, and that wasn’t directly the actions of the Clovis we’re talking about (the one currently residing in the exo frame at the HELM). this Clovis wouldn’t be as capable of handling such an attack, and i don’t think he fully grasps the events currently happening or what’s bound to happen either, and even if he did regain control of Rasputin, it wouldn’t be enough to stop the enemies of humanity. Clovis may understand some of the current threats, but i definitely question the depth of his knowledge about them or the current/past/future events that have happened.
When I first saw him introduced as the season vendor I mumbled to myself “better not give him legs” but honestly Clovis AI I’m general seems clever enough to have a back door he is just sitting on to do something we don’t like
When you're trying to bust into the actual vault, after doing the escalation protocol part, Ana even comments she was the one changed the door codes. Then the Hive did, too. That means that room is from the current, which means only the mindlab itself is what is in the past.
Personally I took Clovis' dialogue as the Mind Lab itself being the only thing in the rift, however I do think they should have made that a little more clear visually. Returning to Mars was really cool though, now I really want them to further explain why they can't just bring back the entire destination.
That Mara Elsie convo was great and it was crazy to me that I never saw the parallels between the two before
Yep, they’re so obvious if you think about it, but for some reason I hadn’t before
I don't think they are portals to the "past" per se, I think they are the here and now and the Pyramids are just switching the places they want from different realities that are at a different time than ours, I don't think they can time travel, but I think they can shift between realities and choose the time and place they are arriving at.
As far as the temporal wound is concerned, Osiris says the wounds are more like windows into "versions of the past", or parallel realities. So, this is an alternate past, one overrun by Xivu Arath's Hive as they try to secure Charlemagne for the Witness. I'd say post-Collapse, given the snow and wear.
As for Kelgorath the Cockroach/Risen from Bones...Sorry, but the only way we'll be getting rid of him is to find him in Xivu's Throne World and kill him there. Like how Guardians keep coming back no matter how many times you kill them if you don't get their Ghosts.
Or he's the Hive's version of Taniks. One day, we'll have to deal with him as a Raid boss.
Very reasonable and well put explanation, good job!
Or maybe bungo just reused assets it’s not that deep lol.
@@wilburforce8046 there’s literally dialogue explaining it in the game it is quite literally that deep
@@bigstupiduglyogre7205 not when bungo just slaps on year 1 Mars and calls it a day lol.
Bungie needed a reason to not actually update the areas to go along with the story. So they leaned on the “alternative reality” but it still doesn’t make sense why it all looks the same.
Doesn't Elsie have a New VA?
Also Gotta enjoy seeing all 3 Brays together, here's hoping for a Banshee and Clovis interaction
Weird thing about Elsie is that her voice sounds the same, but here accent is completely different. It's like the same VA was brought in, tried to do the same voice but forgot the accent she used and now it sounds weirdly Irish
Nope. She just changed accents for some reason.
@@Azrael_Equinox It's super jarring and I'm not a fan of it.
@@joshuaroman6479 Strangely enough, this isn't the first time this has happened. She also has no accent in the Europa public event voice lines.
she straight up is just doing her nightingale voice now. same voice actor, different voice
Reasons not to trust Clovis Bray:
- he's Clovis Bray
The the only reason I need
Reasons TO trust Clovis Bray:
- Funny grandpa
@@arginduol7060 another one. -Can Give us GOLDEN AGE LOOT!!!
Clovis raised some red flags this week in the story. I was surprised by Elsie's new voice, but I actually like it. But yeah, Clovis is MAJOR SUS!!!
I'm also so happy that we FINALLY got CHARLEMAGNE in the game!
And that conversation between Elsie and Mara. Hoo. That hits hard.
She's a good sub. She's is so on point at the start of sentences then slowly gets worse as the sentence ends
@@odinwarlock2436 I woulnt’ve even been able to tell if the accent weren’t entirely wrong.
She got a new VA? Hasn’t she already gotten one in the past?
@C4SUAL CYCL0PS she didn't get a new VA. Her accent just changed. Maybe the VA just lost it after not voicing the character for a while?
It's not a new VA
I would absolutely love a clovis x moth mommy crossover season just to see the vanguard afflicted by crippling anxiety
I absolutely LOVED the dialogue this week, especially Elsie's. I don't think I've ever heard someone get cut off during comm dialogue, and it felt so powerful.
Weve not done that to Calus, Oryx, Eramis, Savathun... Which means hes more insufferable Than any of the other ones
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 well it did hapen to Zawala and Cayde by Failsafe .... so
@@Fenris3000 "Boop."
It felt like a teenager hanging up the phone on a know-it-all adult
The word you're looking for is not powerful, it's immature.
It would be interesting for the climax of this season being Rasputin trying to wrest control of his arsenal after Clovis steals the warsats, with Ana and Mithrax sending us into the Exo’s mind to help Rasputin fight Clovis. Then, for the conflict to end with Rasputin being rebuilt and integrated into his Exo body, while Clovis ends up stuck in the engram as a prison. It’d be a great end to the season. It’d be a great way to end the season. It’d also be great if Rasputin altered his Exo body to reflect his personality as the Warmind (as see in some fanart) to further emphasize how Rasputin has grown to become more than a machine. He’s known trust, tragedy, joy, guilt, and like his namesake, he’s too stubborn to die to the Witness.
You forgot to mention us giving the Clovis engram to Rahool so he could turn it into a blue sidearm.
You forgot to mention us giving the Clovis engram to Rahool so he could turn it into a blue sidearm.
Merry Christmas to Byf and crew!!
Clovis be like: Look at me! I am the warmind now
Let's just put clovis into DARCI and go wild
Frankly I'm surprised at no mention of Clovis's private chat with the Guardian... trying to put us in his pocket as well, thinking we can be bought out.
I actually like Clovis, he’s such an interesting character and the voice actor is good, excited to see what happens with his character
Definitely agree about the time rift thing. Even just a single distorted wall in front of the door would have fixed it.
I thought that the time wounds would be a way to excuse the reintroduction of old patrol spaces and missions when those planets eventually return. So the D2 Mars would be surrounded in a time wound that replayed the events before arrivals including the campaign. The D1 mars would be in a time wound that took place during rise of iron.
They provide plenty of excuses to have unchanged locations, but you can't say that they AREN'T from the old time periods and instead a co.pketwly new one, while still having things unchanged.
What should have been done is either a time wound as we enter the vault, or just not say it's golden age Charlemagne.
I love Clovis desperately trying to cling onto scientific explanation in the face of the absolute deluge of space magic that surrounds him
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, slapping magic name onto everything is cheap and boring.
Clovis watching my guardian pull a lightning pole out their ass: It’s clearly one of those pop up cans that you press with your thumb attached to a taser 🤓
@@ones9308 The power of paracausality is literally *defined* by its ability to run counter to the universe's will. I agree with the quote, in most cases, but the entire reason that paracausality works is because it actively refuses to be explained. It is a rainbow in a world where the laws of physics dictate that everything must the blue.
@@EpslionBear Bruh ammo in this game was explained in the first week of the first game. It's Glimmer. Programmable matter.
a possible explanation about the time periods of Mars, which, i think is the likely explanation bungie will give if this is revisited, is that alot of the futurescape is within a theoretical pre-warmind, post collapse time, but that on the horizon, we are seeing OUT of the timescar, to the present day; meaning the Martian Pyramid is actually, modern day, *there.*
This opens many doors, obviously, and can put a neat bow on the inconsistencies here.
The impression I got was that it was just the inside being affected, not the whole area.
There’s snow on the inside also lmao
While that was what I also figured, it seems to lack the veil effect that other time displaced areas on Mars have.
Since the mind lab is stuck in the time warp, it might explain why so many different timelines are converging in one place
Clovis Bray is absolutely trustworthy. You can trust him to always act in what he sees as humanity's best interest (ie, whatever is best for Clovis Bray.)
Taniks and Kelgorath should compete for the title of “Most Canonical Deaths”
I think as far as the timeframe of the mars location, it might be before the taking of the planets but after Rasputin’s defeat. So basically season of the arrivals? 7:22
Then how could the mindlab be different?
@@cameronberhow8596 Probably alternative timeline
Fun fact about the hive, one of those loose hangers on are Nokris’ forces, who joined the lucent hive
It’s a shame that the lore for the Mars mission was such a mess, because I had soooo much fun playing it. It felt great to step back into the sands of Mars, reactivate the escalation protocol, and walk up to the mindlab once again. Mars was a great destination and it’s a real shame it’s gone
I kind of have to assume that charlemagne was just there long after the collapse and this is the correct time period. because this would be a VERY complex fuck up if it was on accident.
Really appreciated your critique of the inconsistencies on Mars, it really seemed kind of half-assed. I wonder if Clovis is going to try and hijack Rasputin and take him over? Could mean a Clovis boss fight at the end. I'd hate to see him go though, his voice actor is just amazing. Great videos, great lore, keep up the good work.
I never trusted Clovis from the start
One of the things I have come to realize with Bungie, after the Forsaken came out and especially the Witch Queen (specially the legendary campaign) is that I don't have to really engage with the game beyond the expac and raid. If Bungie is able to produce legendary campaigns equal to the Witch Queen, I will treat this Destiny 2 like a box game ignore the low effort seasons. I'm happy content creators like Byf and Myelin games are here to keep me up to date on the lore.
Looking at the Destiny Reddit and seeing people say they like Clovis more than Ana and Elsie because are written like “woke children” because they hate the guy.
I seriously saw a guy without any hint of irony compare Clovis to Rick Sanchez as if we were back in 2017 and as if Ana and Elsie were just too stupid to understand him.
I like to think what's going on with Mars is that when the witness was picking through Mars he altered time some places. Some places he went back further, some places he only went back sooner, back to Season of the Arrivals . It's a shaky theory, yes, but plausible. It would explain why some of the anomalies show golden age crops and equipment.
Shout out to the voice acting this season. And honestly at least Clovis has a plan. Let's hear it! Clovis for new Hunter vanguard
No, Ana Bray for hunter vanguard
I really enjoy the entire presentation of your videos. They're very immersive for me and I'm just here to enjoy the lore, etc so I never noticed until now that you have almost one million subscribers. Congratulations on that and I can absolutely see why so many people enjoy your work. I hope it continues for as long as D2 is around. Thanks!
I'm _preeetty_ sure the most logical explanation for why Mars in the time heist looks the same as it did in SOA, is because the location is reused content, and Bungie was either too lazy to update it or forgot to.
Thought the time rift is inside Rasputin's diamond and was the reason Charlemagne was there, but really I'm just happy we had mars back for the time being.
As for the 2 hive wizards, I believe that hive at that time would have had plenty of hive soldiers that would and could have survived that long unnoticed and unused by xivu arath, most likely some of the first hive created on fundament and survived through all hive conflicts up until now... it's not like every single hive what lives for an eon needs to be memorable? Only the ones that matter, that being the trio of gods, I'm sure there's still a handful of original fundament hive still remaining in xivu's army. But I'll admit killing them off this easily is a little underwhelming. But it still lines up in my mind.
His voice always commands respect. I love it.
I seriously thought by Witch queen, Elsie would've already told Ana everything about Clovis and even Banshee. I mean, in the dark universe Ana fell to the darkness exactly because Elsie kept too many secrets from Ana.
I trust Clovis as much as I trust Bungie to make meaningful seasonal content
I trust him my life.
Didn't the dialog in the first week state that Rasputin splintering into subminds was a defensive mechanism that happened during Season of Arrivals? If that's the case, then the pyramid ship, the snow on the ground, the Hive and the Taken... all of it makes sense. Just because it's the past doesn't mean it's supposed to be the Golden Age.
What if Rasputin just effortlessly and suddenly zaps Clovis to death at the end of this seasonal quest? That would be kind of hilarious! Can’t wait to see what happens, and I BET you’ll make it to ONE MILLION SUBS before Lightfall releases! Great content as always, much love from Texas!
I think the reason why the Bray tech facility is so lore braking is because its the Center of the time warps as its the the place to witness was after and so several time periods are clashing
“How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?”
-our fireteam to Kelgorath
It makes sense for some things you mentioned, the pyramid is there on the horizon outside the time construct. In the first mission of savathun, you can enter the time fields and see the modern stuff, but its still possible to see the outside world as it is. They are rifts, little bits of time, not all encompassing. What you need happens to be in one, not everything else around it.
i literally started pumping my fist in the air when i heard the charlemagne name drop, soooo gratifying as a long time lore nerd
I remembered Galgorath... Just now when you reminded me of him.
This is around the area where I got my 1st ever catalyst for my crimson.
Especially from a commander that was sending out a bunch of psions which he knew a lot of them would die but it was a sacrifice he was willing to make
I guess the pyramid ship could be Xivu's pyramid if she has become a disciple.
plus Clovis did especifally say it was the mindlab that was stuck in the past, it was badly done but I guess Bungie could get some credit.
I was mildly surprised; not only did they have a big argument early in the seasonal story, but they had the live pseudo-cutscene at the start of the weekly story thread.
(Bungie saving time by only slightly changing a vaulted environment and calling it new)
(Kelgorath. Neo Darkblade. Hive Draugr. Target practice for us Guardians.)
9:11-10:46 might unironicly be the most humorous tangent from Byf I've heard in a long time.
Hello Byf, i can explain why about the time hopping confusions, as Osiris said based on what he said on the time rifts, like the Infinite Forest, they are doorways into parallel realities. Different versions of pasts or futures that may appear identical to our own by not the same as things may have happened in those points that did not happen in ours.
I loved the Hellas Basin on Mars. Seeing it again was really fun. But I do agree that more could have been done to clarify what was happening in the mindlab we go to.
I camnot shake the feeling that Kelgorath is being set up to become the boss of the reprisedcl Sunless Cell strike, for when we eventually return to the Dreadnaught, in the same way Navota has replaced Omnigul in the Disgraced strike.
I love the read about Kelgorath LOL
When I saw the names of the two brood queens I was so excited it was so cool to see such old and potentially powerful entities in the hive
I love “salty” BYF. I’m also glad he pointed out the discrepancies with bringing back Mars. I have no issues with Bungie reusing spaces, I’m actually for it, it was fun to go back there, but they need to do it right. Like if that whole zone was in the past why is it covered in Hive gunk? I’m also fully in the camp that Clovis is in league with the Witness. He’s all about power and who can offer him the most?
okay im gonna pull a theory for this perhaps the way hellese basin look when we do the hiest might be that this time wound is a bit wonky yes its going into the past but given this is the witness wanting the submind it may have altered it to only where the submind is from the outside of the mindlab its mars during arrivals but inside its golden age so that may explain why the futurescape is a bit odd in how its deigned
The dialogue at the end of the mars heist, with Ana and Osiris, where they discuss the timelines as they're presented in the rifts. Specifically they talk about how we can't influence future events by changing things in the "past" because what's in these rifts is not "our" past, just a version of it. They're alternate realities. I know that's apologetics for Bungie's sake, but it does mean that we can't say things like "the snow doesn't make sense, because that's Rasputin's doing and not Charlemagne, etc." We're not privy to the precise details of the timeline we're visiting, maybe the state of things does make sense.
I can’t remember exactly where this week but there was a voice line from Clovis that a piece of hive magic was “simply a specialised form of” some form of radiation. As far as I’m aware that’s the first time someone in game has quantified hive magics as a named tech.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Kelgorath is the reason Taniks is brought back to help get revenge on the Guardian but is smacked down by Taniks in comedic fashion.
genuinely wasn't expecting for byf to just completely go off on kelgorath like that but that is what I needed to start my day of playing destiny.
I noticed that the mission tileset is the origional lay out of mars of the season of the warmind and top of the bunker is the same as rasputin's main control room just redesigned to be used as the "new" warsat bunker
My best guess would be that the Mars we're visiting in the new heist mission is Mars during Season of Arrivals. I say this because it looks identical to Mars from that time. Not only is the pyramid present, but so is Ana's old equipment from where she stood as a vendor back then. That would date this mission to the period AFTER Rasputin failed to shoot down a pyramid and got turned into an engram.
Maybe this is supposed to imply that, when Rasputin got turned into an engram, some part of it remained on Mars and basically became Charlemagne. This would imply that Charlemagne only ever existed as a submind fragment, and that Charlemagne technically didn't exist anymore when Rasputin was reactivated sometime around the Warmind expansion. Rasputin's defeat at the hands of the pyramids therefore brought Charlemagne back without our realizing it, and that is what we're recovering. It's the only way I can possibly make sense of the heist mission, to be honest.
Alternatively, it could be like others have suggested, where only the Mindlab itself is affected by the timewarp.
With the new Mars battleground I also wondered why they just reused the sunset Mars location, didn't change the sky box to make it look post witch queen or pre warmind, it's just so weird. I also would have liked to return to Mars to explore, not just have a couple missions there.
Been waiting for you to make a topic on clovis🥺👊🏽
1:01 Used the popcorn emote the entire time through this argument 😂
About the time warping - I agree with all of your points about "what this should look like", except for one. The Pyramid Ship would probably still be there, assuming it's outside the time rift-affected area.
"We probably killed two witches probably a billion years old."
Me, absent mindedly dismantling blues and baking cookies after that mission: "Huh. Aint that funny."
I just keep waiting for Ana to call Clovis a Boomer. LOL. Seriouosly, I loved this week's story. While I agree with the confusion on the return to Mars and how it was presented, the member-berries for the Escalation Protocol towers and even the space was such a nice treat. I also trust Covis as far as I could chuck him across the HELM.
Re: the time snarl: I have to assume that whatever the time situation is with the Futurescape it doesn't extend out to where the Pyramid is. Indeed, it could be localized to just the Mindlab, which is why the interior of that room is the only thing that constitutes a major change to the floor plan (Hive gunk blocking a passageway doesn't count). But were that the case, why wasn't there a time rift effect in front of the door? Seems like an oversight.
Just wanted to add that you can use your barrier to block the warmind threat detectors if you’re in a tight position
I'm confused on the assumption that the futurescape in its entirety would be affected by the anomaly. Clovis did say in the HELM before we entered the mission that the MINDLAB itself is stuck in that time anomaly and not the futurescape in its entirety if I'm reading it correctly. You did clearly play the dialogue where he explained that alongside text saying its just the mindlab, so I don't get the interpretation as it meaning that the futurescape is also affected as well unless I missed something regarding the time rifts themselves.
Now do I agree it could've been conveyed better visually in the mission? Absolutely. I do agree that having the time rift in the doorway itself would've been a good way to convey that you're entering a different time period of the mindlab rather than just only changing up the interior.
I came here expecting lore and we got not only lore but we got to hear a bunch of criticism and a roast to boot. Awesome video
It's obvious that no one trusts Clovis. But obviously it can't and won't matter. We're never going to have a say in the matter, everything is just going to happen in front of us and there will be nothing for us to do about it. It's my biggest gripe about the game as a whole and it holds the story back immensely.
I had completely forgotten we were in a time bleed from the dialogue, and when I loaded in, I just thought I was on mars
Now that job opening of the Lore Advisor or whatever it was makes alot more sense.
"Kelgorath is a massive loser." I fell over 🤣🤣 I just need byf pointing in a picture with this quote!
The braytech time wound is set at some point after Anna had taken over control of the place. We know this because ahe explains to Clovis that she is the one who changed security access commands from what he was expecting them to be, before the hive changed them again. So this place in time is at least sometime after Anna's awakening as a Guardian; which she waxes nostalgic about in her holo message. Somewhere within that span of time, she must have moved Rasputin's primary self to the Mindlab. I dont know what she would have done with Charlemagne at that time.
Mars has rift pockets of Past / Present overlapping all over the place. The easiest answer for "Why does mars look like this" is that. The Pyramid ship you can see, because that's the present, but the facility with the data we need is in a pocket of the past. Makes sense to me. Just like the first story mission of the witch queen expansion you walk past/through those time rifts, seeing both the past and the present at the same time in the same field of view. Seeing the Pyramid Ship in the distance doesn't feel out of place given how they've shown what the half in and half out time rifts look like already.
I do wish they made the chamber have a little of those rift effects near the door or in the main boss room or something though.
I need someone to add the vine boom in that boss rant byf had