Reverend was just walking on eggshells saying whatever he had to say because low-honor arthur is batshit crazy. He was just trying to get outta there without being shot
Nah, when you have neutral or high honor and didin't meet sister Calderón, then he gonna say that Arthur changed into a good man. In that scenario with low-honor it was just more complicated for him.
I don't think low honor Arthur is this unhinged manic people make him up to be. Maybe in free roam under the player's control, sure, but in the story he mostly comes off to me as a more apathetic, selfish Arthur. One who either learns that getting John to his family is more important or reverts to the only "good" he knows which is trying to get them the money.
@@Samurai-35232 Some think Arthur talks to Swanson only with low honor but you could talk to him if you don't do Brother Dorkins' missions with high honor as well.
I think he was just very shocked. He’s about to leave from all the crap going on, then finds out a person he cares about is dying. Like if you had a bunch of family abandon you, then find out one of them is going to die.
i think in game lore, he ends up preaching to a cathedral in new York, still tho, as a Christian, when i went on the first mission with him the first thing i thought was, wth they have a reverend in this gang, aint they a bunch of cold killers, now i see that was different, at least in the beginning it was
@@jjham6780 It's because the gang was more of a found family of rejects and unfournates and the nature of their crimes (mostly theft and scams) was mostly Robin Hood in nature than town massacring shenanigans they got up to just prior and during RDR2.
@@themadtitan7603 I know bruh, I actually loved this games characters, they felt like, real humans, I ain't gonna lie, I died a bit inside when hosea died man, he was my favorite
Yeah, it is good, but nothing compared to the "I'm afraid" line with the Mother superior. It was a truly human and relatable moment from Arthur giving the player a sense of sympathy for his fear of death. The scene works either way having Arthur talking to a religious follower giving the scene context to morality before death. It just hit you harder whilst high honor to know he's come to terms with his own mortality and inner morality but hopeless to the fact he will soon die with nothing good in his life left. There were man tears aplenty lol.
I think this scene could've been as effective if Arthur still said "I'm afraid" and Swanson was set up as a more likeable character throughout the game just like Sister Calderón (not Mother Superior btw) was in her previous two appearances. It would've felt and still feels more similar to Arthur's arc by taking to this man who's redeeming himself and walking back on the path he believed in once again, just like the gang itself lost their way and moral code years ago and Arthur's actions in Chapter 6 was what the gang was supposed to be. Instead, he's mostly just drunk comic relief for most of the game and not involved in much crimes that would've added impact to him losing his way.
Arthur's conversation with the nun at the train station legit made me cry my Arthur was not a bad man a fist fighter? sure an armed robber of houses and hostile campers most definitely but I spared lives when I could paid for everything and constantly donated and did chores
@@popcorn8743 I mean these things you described would be attributed to a bad person but I'd say Arthur from Chapter 1-5 is morally grey; not a good man nor a bad man. He'll help people and spare lives but then also kill train guards just doing their jobs to steal money.
@@themadtitan7603 Well, they do have to move the game's story line along somehow... Arthur going to work as a post office clerk would be pretty damn boring...
@@kleetus92 Never stated it doesn't make sense why he does is it. Of course the story is centered on an outlaw but that doesn't absolve him of his actions like so many fans try to argue.
I've always loved Swanson. His addiction, his speeches, the entirety of the character is just so sad and lovable. I'm glad Swanson got out the way he did. The other members weren't so lucky.
Ever heard of Strauss? Pinkertons got up to him soon after he got kicked out of camp, they tortured him, but he didn't tell them anything. I don't remember if he died or not, probably yes
I'm still thinking about Karen. I need closure on what happened to her. I refuse to believe some hearsay about her dying from alcohol poisoning is the end of her story.
For whoever thinks low honor Arthur would’ve killed Swanson doesnt understand Arthur. When I got to this point just LAST month. I was sad because I seen 2 men who had their own demons and had their own vices to hold solid to, and Arthur respected that in Swanson no matter what
Low/high honor isn't really about who arthur is IMO, it's about the impulses he chooses to give into. On the inside he is always high honor but this conversation and low honor dialogue just show that it doesn't matter what you believe you are, only the actions you take matter.
THIS so many people misinterpret low honor Arthur because they associate the actions they do to get to low honor with his character, like going on killing sprees, and playing him as a psychopath. From a story standpoint low honor Arthur is a man that acknowledges his bad actions and embraces the consequences. Regardless how you play Arthur he sees a lot of himself in Swanson since they both want to change but feel stuck, low honor Arthur would never kill anyone in the gang except Micah
There's actually a third interaction you can get on this mission and it's still with the Reverend. My playthrough I started out thinking "Im gonna do a low honor one and see how it goes" but it was just too depressing for me honestly so I switched up to high honor. Right around the time this mission comes I was right around the middle in terms of honor, only the last half of this scene is different. After the Reverend explains how he tried to get the kids and women to come with him and that he can't die for some fool Arthur just leans back and goes "Yeah I know what you mean" then they proceed to talk about how much Arthur has changed into a good man and how he should continue down that path regardless of what lay at the end (paraphrasing). At the end of the encounter Arthur looks content with himself. That interaction is better than the other two, it instils a sense of hope in that no matter how it ends Arthur will end it as a good man. "Save who you can, and let the rest rot..."
@Mellisco That's the same scene with high honor but reading your comment made me think it would've been better if they had cutscenes for mid-honor or if you gradually went from low honor to high. It would've made the line "and you turned into a good man" much more impactful than if I was already high honor the whole game.
@@nrs166 If you're talking about Arthur, then agreed. Low Honor Arthur isn't someone who was always bad, after all you start off in the middle of the honor bar, implying that Arthur always had the capacity to be both good and bad. With low honor, the player has Arthur fall into his violent, selfish and apathetic side with my headcanon being that the pressure from the story weighs on him and forces him to become the worst version of himself and vice versa with high honor.
@@themadtitan7603 idk where you said this(sry to write it in this section to you) but you said in one of your comments that dutch when he is being questioned is getting offended very quick and in addition he is also narcistic. I dont think so, he always cared for the whole gang as a leader. Of course he has to show who is in charge. And he only gets offended very quickly when he is being questioned only by arthur and probably john too, because he knows them a life time, and would trust them with his life. He once said something similar to arthur: "i know that some people in the gang have doubts but when its from you it hits hard".
@@kaanseyhun7041 I don't recall when and/or if I stated that because I might have more context that you perhaps missed, because these are not my exact thoughts. I think Dutch for most of the game is more open to doubts or suggestions when people don't exactly agree with his plans. In the later chapters like in Ch IV, he starts getting a little offended because he now knows some have some serious apprehension about his leadership seeing them through and not just doubts about a specific course of action they're taking. But he's still reasonable and says that the camp is not prison so anyone who's not liking where it's going could just leave. By Chapter 6, that when he straight up sees it as hearsay and an attack on his ego when he's being question as he views it as an example of a gang that's stopped believing him and looking up to him as their northstar.
This ain't depressing... I love this lines. Since you lived your way, you'll die your way. It is up to you to end this just as you want, no compromise. Absolutely loved it
Agreed. I prefer high honor Arthur. However, I think low honor is interesting if viewed as a different fall arc for Arthur rather than this black/white scenario of low simply being the alternate bad karma playthrough many players seem to view it as, which is a disservice to the game's writing imo. With low honor, Arthur turns to his rageful, selfish and apathetic side due to the pressure and bad luck the gang is experiencing. When he realizes Dutch is losing his way and he has a short time to live, he tries to make some amends to the best his nature allows him. He sees his ultimate redemption is tied to getting John out, so he either A). Sacrifices himself to the law while John escapes or B). Tries to get the only thing he ever know was good: money. I don't think Arthur is getting it for himself in that ending, it's that he came to view it as the ultimate priority. So if John is to survive and have a future with his family, he should get him money first over just getting John to his family in one piece.
@@semarikuruarashi6484 I prefer high honor like anyone else. However, I don't there's any canon honor given that John's description of Arthur in the epilogue is "he was good and bad" which to me clearly indicates an ambiguity they wanted to have so every player is validated in their experience and the fact that he isn't mentioned in the first game helps ensure that. Secondly, I don't think that low honor Arthur doesn't redeem himself. I think the game is titled Red Dead Redemption because anyway you play the game and whichever ending you choose, you'll get redeemed. The difference is how MUCH can Arthur get redeemed imo. With high honor he dies satisfied that he's made amends, learned to be a better and more caring person who took a gamble and did a loving act. With low honor, depending on the player, he may get a Walter White-redemption; meaning he's not a much better person at the end but at least got to make amends with people he wronged and helped John, his family and Tilly to get out. People associate the money ending with low honor, but I disagree that it's meant to be the vain, greedy ending. Since you can do it with high honor and Arthur is dying anyway, the cash is clearly meant for John and his family which makes sense with low honor Arthur who prioritizes financial security over John getting safely to his family.
I never understood how you could get low honor unintentionally. In chapter 6 the game feeds you honor left and right, so much so that you could be all the way dishonorable and get into the grey zone
I found it to be the exact opposite. I guess it depends on the person. You just miss out on a lot of fun being the good guy all the time. But then again, you miss out on a lot of content being the bad guy
I like how even low honour arthur is very well written and interesting in his own right despite the fact that I think it's clear most of us played in high honour
He has his own redemption arc and he’s not even a main character. Arthur also sees a lot of himself in the reverend which is why he always felt sympathy towards him
@@DagAmaRamaGaming I honestly think both honors could be the true story. High honor Arthur died succumbing to TB and left to die by his father figure, so his ending is still depressing all things considered.
I think high honor is realistic as well, but Micah shooting Arthur in the head is definitely what I think would happen. There's no way Micah just lets Arthur go while he lays injured and vulnerable.
Agreed, the high honor cutscene is good but doesn't feel as impactful as the Sister Calderón scene or this low honor version. Because the Sister one fits perfectly for high honor Arthur's arc and the same with this scene for low honor Arthur's journey. But the high honor Swanson one is just okay, it feels like it'd fit better if the game dedicated a mid-honor status or if it acknowledged that you changed from low honor to high.
@@Vespyr_ I unfortunately missed Reverend and never got to say goodbye to him on my first playthrough, but Sister Mary's conversation with Arthur hit me in the gut
The detail in this game is incredible. For the first time in like 4 playthroughs I got to this point without doing the nun missions. I got the Swanson cutscene but it was completely different from this. I didn't have high honor either, it was just below middle
Well-written scene, well-written characters. R* is cooking a great storyline with GTA VI. Took them over seven years with Red Dead II. Don't mind waiting a little longer 🗿
The guy that wrote the story and characters for gta 4, 5, Rdr, rdr2 left rockstar. And the protagonist in the next gta might be a lesbian lgbt, since they announced that they would stop doing jokes about that stuff. So yeah, I’ll keep my expectations at the lowest, which is boycott the game
Right now I’m doing a walkthrough of what I like to call Evil Arthur and it’s gruesome to say the least and it feels so weird being evil as him but I’ve noticed the more I progress in the story the more Arthur starts to double down on the evil and it’s heart breaking.
Yeah I know that feeling, I tried playing that way on a repeat playthrough but it feels wrong to play Arthur like a maniac so I always play high honour lmao
@@dylanwoods5944 I’m right at the part where Arthur is showing settle signs of TB last night when I logged off we had just touch down in Guarma and my inner monologue keeps telling me “there’s still a chance you can go back to being honorable, wouldn’t take much to give Arthur his redemption, when you guys touch back down to the main map you can turn Arthur around” we’ll see if I actually finish the game with low honor
The opposite of this, where he speaks to the nun from San Denis as high honor Arthur was the first time I cried playing this game. You could see in his eyes that he meant it when he said he was afraid and that hit hard
the high honor scene with the nun was waaaaaaaaaay fvckn deep. that scene where arthur said “im scared”… i felt that…. made me choke up and damn i was fvckn sad til the train leaves
I prefer the Sister's interaction from the Good Honor's end because it showed Arthur's true feeling deep in his heart, but this one is also really nice. Because Reverend had been known for his drunkenness and drug abusing. But hearing those words out loud from him to a Bad Honor Arthur? That's pure, and it must had given Arthur a few thought about his final moment, to fight for someone else besides his ego and selfishness (because of his Bad Honor) RIP, the best protagonist I know, Arthur Morgan.
This is the cutscene I saw since I totally passed up the nun. But luckily I happened to be with someone when they did this mission and got this version.
Wow This is like a whole other story than high honor Arthur ! Makes for a completely different ending ! Now I wanna play it again to see how different the play through will be if I’m low honor …
So glad i ripped through my first playthrough low honor and thought it was cool. Because i know i will never be able to do it again. It has some cool parts. Particularly at the very end with micah when you go down just screaming at him
Yeah my first playthrough I really had no idea about honor. Interestingly, I got the high honor scene with the nun but must have messed it up because at the end I got low on her endings. I'm doing a high honor replay and then I'll probably do a low honor replay after that. Or maybe I'll just go super low honor in the epilogue
Has anyone ever tried to do a low honor playthrough where they still help Brother Dorkins and Sister Calderon in Saint Denis? Wondering if the conversation with Sister Calderon also has a low honor variation.
hmmm....maybe Swanson is the Strange Man...he knows Arthur, he knows John and all that they have done and how things will end for them. during the whole train track thing near the beginning he did it knowing he wouldn't/couldn't be killed and was just testing Arthur
There are a few lines from Low Honor Arthur I like more than High Honor. Like after Dutch kills the old woman in Guarma High Honor Arthur says "you gonna strangle me next" Low Honor Arthur says "maybe we've all gone rotten" Even Low honor Arthur understands that the Gangs "Morals" are a joke
bro they need to make a re make where you play as arthur when dutch found him all the way up to the black water mission that is still a question in rdr2
if you have it on pc just get a trainer turn off the sniper and all you have to run from are some bounty hunters near blackwater. you can do all the challenges that way. without the trainer you cant survive the sniper.
I'm about to get it as Arthur, but I redownloaded from disk and went offline to play the unpatched 1.00 version, so I've been roaming New Austin on the reg with the Bronte "glitch"
@@Anirudhgunti ah I see lol I keep wanting to replay the game, but it’s so fun to use cheats to drip yourself out with a badass outfit and twin nickel plated Schofield revolvers lmao
I feel like Swanson was saying that it isn't too late to change. Not to late to increase his honor. That is true the game won't stop you from doing missions that increase honor
There's a lot of contrast to Arthur's colors anyway. He wears a black hat which is usually indicative of the "bad guy" in a western but you can obviously play Arthur with high honor while Micah wears a white hat which is usually for the hero.
I truly believe that red dead 2 is the greatest story ever written. Not just in a game but period. Yes, better than Gatsby, better than Moby dick, better than huck and sawyer. The way that you watch the characters go from one person to another. It almost makes it laughable that thr game repeats everything in a year, constantly showing 1899 as the date. This is clearly a several years story. Some characters we watch go from bad men to good men. Some we watch go from good men to bad men. But everyone evolves in a huge way. And ultimately, one way or the other, it tells a giant redemption story for one man.
Confused now, is there a neutral option? I could’ve sworn I remembered a conversation with these two where Reverend is telling Arthur he’s like a giant fighting a man.
There are basically 3 options for this cutscene: If you have low honor, the scene in this video is the one that plays out. If you have high honor but didn't do all missions with sister Calderón, Swanson still shows up but gives a more positive speech than the one in this video. If you have high honor and did all sister Calderon missions, it's her who shows up and has a heart to heart with Arthur.
Swanson is a terrible pastor if he just lets Arthur keep going down this path without giving any sort of council. "Oh, you'll live your way and die your way". No, reverend. That's not a good thing.
That’s kind of the point. When Arthur encounters the nun, a true follower of God, she gives a message to him that fits better with the belief system. Arthur at low honor or even so much as not helping the nun is symbolic, these scenes are diametrically opposed. One has Arthur giving almost a confessional to a woman of the church, and the other is Arthur confiding in a friend who pretends to be Sage like.
Reverend was just walking on eggshells saying whatever he had to say because low-honor arthur is batshit crazy. He was just trying to get outta there without being shot
Nah, when you have neutral or high honor and didin't meet sister Calderón, then he gonna say that Arthur changed into a good man. In that scenario with low-honor it was just more complicated for him.
Really feels like it lol.
I don't think low honor Arthur is this unhinged manic people make him up to be. Maybe in free roam under the player's control, sure, but in the story he mostly comes off to me as a more apathetic, selfish Arthur. One who either learns that getting John to his family is more important or reverts to the only "good" he knows which is trying to get them the money.
@@Samurai-35232 Some think Arthur talks to Swanson only with low honor but you could talk to him if you don't do Brother Dorkins' missions with high honor as well.
About half thousand burnt alive victims, ocean of slaughtered wildlife and property deprived households will attest to that
I like how when Arthur says "his path is coming to and end" Swanson slides farther away from him.
Because he has tb but then proceeds to touch him
He can touch Arthur, its just that Swanson needs to stay away from Arthur because he can probably contract TB by Arthur just coughing in Swansons Face
@@KD-Slayer105 Yeah, TB spreads through air and Arthur simply raising his voice next to Swanson could get him infected.
I think he was just very shocked. He’s about to leave from all the crap going on, then finds out a person he cares about is dying.
Like if you had a bunch of family abandon you, then find out one of them is going to die.
Swanson was literally just positioning himself to better face Arthur. He wasn’t sliding away from him
“My path is coming to an end..” “I know son”…that hit me different..
Reverend Swanson is a Reverend after all. I'm glad we got to meet who he truly was in the end.
i think in game lore, he ends up preaching to a cathedral in new York, still tho, as a Christian, when i went on the first mission with him the first thing i thought was, wth they have a reverend in this gang, aint they a bunch of cold killers, now i see that was different, at least in the beginning it was
@@jjham6780 It's because the gang was more of a found family of rejects and unfournates and the nature of their crimes (mostly theft and scams) was mostly Robin Hood in nature than town massacring shenanigans they got up to just prior and during RDR2.
@@themadtitan7603 I know bruh, I actually loved this games characters, they felt like, real humans, I ain't gonna lie, I died a bit inside when hosea died man, he was my favorite
@@jjham6780 Hosea was my favorite side gang member in the game. It almost feels on every playthrough that things will go downhill without him.
@@themadtitan7603 he was the "moral compass" of the gang, i feel after he died, dutch just went off and decided to get rich by any means
Yeah, it is good, but nothing compared to the "I'm afraid" line with the Mother superior. It was a truly human and relatable moment from Arthur giving the player a sense of sympathy for his fear of death. The scene works either way having Arthur talking to a religious follower giving the scene context to morality before death. It just hit you harder whilst high honor to know he's come to terms with his own mortality and inner morality but hopeless to the fact he will soon die with nothing good in his life left. There were man tears aplenty lol.
I think this scene could've been as effective if Arthur still said "I'm afraid" and Swanson was set up as a more likeable character throughout the game just like Sister Calderón (not Mother Superior btw) was in her previous two appearances. It would've felt and still feels more similar to Arthur's arc by taking to this man who's redeeming himself and walking back on the path he believed in once again, just like the gang itself lost their way and moral code years ago and Arthur's actions in Chapter 6 was what the gang was supposed to be.
Instead, he's mostly just drunk comic relief for most of the game and not involved in much crimes that would've added impact to him losing his way.
Arthur's conversation with the nun at the train station legit made me cry my Arthur was not a bad man a fist fighter? sure an armed robber of houses and hostile campers most definitely but I spared lives when I could paid for everything and constantly donated and did chores
@@popcorn8743 I mean these things you described would be attributed to a bad person but I'd say Arthur from Chapter 1-5 is morally grey; not a good man nor a bad man. He'll help people and spare lives but then also kill train guards just doing their jobs to steal money.
@@themadtitan7603 Well, they do have to move the game's story line along somehow... Arthur going to work as a post office clerk would be pretty damn boring...
@@kleetus92 Never stated it doesn't make sense why he does is it. Of course the story is centered on an outlaw but that doesn't absolve him of his actions like so many fans try to argue.
I've always loved Swanson. His addiction, his speeches, the entirety of the character is just so sad and lovable. I'm glad Swanson got out the way he did. The other members weren't so lucky.
Ever heard of Strauss? Pinkertons got up to him soon after he got kicked out of camp, they tortured him, but he didn't tell them anything. I don't remember if he died or not, probably yes
@@uncolored2060 good, fuck Strauss. He's the whole reason Arthur got TB
I'm still thinking about Karen. I need closure on what happened to her. I refuse to believe some hearsay about her dying from alcohol poisoning is the end of her story.
For whoever thinks low honor Arthur would’ve killed Swanson doesnt understand Arthur. When I got to this point just LAST month. I was sad because I seen 2 men who had their own demons and had their own vices to hold solid to, and Arthur respected that in Swanson no matter what
Facts
Low/high honor isn't really about who arthur is IMO, it's about the impulses he chooses to give into. On the inside he is always high honor but this conversation and low honor dialogue just show that it doesn't matter what you believe you are, only the actions you take matter.
beautifully put , I never looked at it that way. Thanks
THIS so many people misinterpret low honor Arthur because they associate the actions they do to get to low honor with his character, like going on killing sprees, and playing him as a psychopath. From a story standpoint low honor Arthur is a man that acknowledges his bad actions and embraces the consequences. Regardless how you play Arthur he sees a lot of himself in Swanson since they both want to change but feel stuck, low honor Arthur would never kill anyone in the gang except Micah
There's actually a third interaction you can get on this mission and it's still with the Reverend. My playthrough I started out thinking "Im gonna do a low honor one and see how it goes" but it was just too depressing for me honestly so I switched up to high honor. Right around the time this mission comes I was right around the middle in terms of honor, only the last half of this scene is different. After the Reverend explains how he tried to get the kids and women to come with him and that he can't die for some fool Arthur just leans back and goes "Yeah I know what you mean" then they proceed to talk about how much Arthur has changed into a good man and how he should continue down that path regardless of what lay at the end (paraphrasing). At the end of the encounter Arthur looks content with himself. That interaction is better than the other two, it instils a sense of hope in that no matter how it ends Arthur will end it as a good man.
"Save who you can, and let the rest rot..."
If that's paraphrasing then this is a period
that's just the high honor interaction
@Mellisco That's the same scene with high honor but reading your comment made me think it would've been better if they had cutscenes for mid-honor or if you gradually went from low honor to high. It would've made the line "and you turned into a good man" much more impactful than if I was already high honor the whole game.
@@hughmann580 no the high honor has the nun
@@themadtitan7603 no the high honor option here is the nun
It's sad because of how careless he is
He became...
@@nrs166 If you're talking about Arthur, then agreed. Low Honor Arthur isn't someone who was always bad, after all you start off in the middle of the honor bar, implying that Arthur always had the capacity to be both good and bad.
With low honor, the player has Arthur fall into his violent, selfish and apathetic side with my headcanon being that the pressure from the story weighs on him and forces him to become the worst version of himself and vice versa with high honor.
@@themadtitan7603 idk where you said this(sry to write it in this section to you) but you said in one of your comments that dutch when he is being questioned is getting offended very quick and in addition he is also narcistic. I dont think so, he always cared for the whole gang as a leader. Of course he has to show who is in charge. And he only gets offended very quickly when he is being questioned only by arthur and probably john too, because he knows them a life time, and would trust them with his life. He once said something similar to arthur: "i know that some people in the gang have doubts but when its from you it hits hard".
He is? Or you? Because your actions in the game depend upon how careless or not he is and becomes.
@@kaanseyhun7041 I don't recall when and/or if I stated that because I might have more context that you perhaps missed, because these are not my exact thoughts. I think Dutch for most of the game is more open to doubts or suggestions when people don't exactly agree with his plans. In the later chapters like in Ch IV, he starts getting a little offended because he now knows some have some serious apprehension about his leadership seeing them through and not just doubts about a specific course of action they're taking. But he's still reasonable and says that the camp is not prison so anyone who's not liking where it's going could just leave. By Chapter 6, that when he straight up sees it as hearsay and an attack on his ego when he's being question as he views it as an example of a gang that's stopped believing him and looking up to him as their northstar.
This ain't depressing... I love this lines. Since you lived your way, you'll die your way. It is up to you to end this just as you want, no compromise. Absolutely loved it
Still gets me seeing Arthur different from what i made him. It’s just not Arthur
I know right? He doesn't seem right low honor
Agreed. I prefer high honor Arthur. However, I think low honor is interesting if viewed as a different fall arc for Arthur rather than this black/white scenario of low simply being the alternate bad karma playthrough many players seem to view it as, which is a disservice to the game's writing imo.
With low honor, Arthur turns to his rageful, selfish and apathetic side due to the pressure and bad luck the gang is experiencing. When he realizes Dutch is losing his way and he has a short time to live, he tries to make some amends to the best his nature allows him.
He sees his ultimate redemption is tied to getting John out, so he either A). Sacrifices himself to the law while John escapes or B). Tries to get the only thing he ever know was good: money. I don't think Arthur is getting it for himself in that ending, it's that he came to view it as the ultimate priority. So if John is to survive and have a future with his family, he should get him money first over just getting John to his family in one piece.
My biggest regret was to have Low honor in my first playthrough. Shit was that bad
High Honor Arthur is Cannon that’s why it’s called RDRedemption
@@semarikuruarashi6484 I prefer high honor like anyone else. However, I don't there's any canon honor given that John's description of Arthur in the epilogue is "he was good and bad" which to me clearly indicates an ambiguity they wanted to have so every player is validated in their experience and the fact that he isn't mentioned in the first game helps ensure that.
Secondly, I don't think that low honor Arthur doesn't redeem himself. I think the game is titled Red Dead Redemption because anyway you play the game and whichever ending you choose, you'll get redeemed. The difference is how MUCH can Arthur get redeemed imo. With high honor he dies satisfied that he's made amends, learned to be a better and more caring person who took a gamble and did a loving act.
With low honor, depending on the player, he may get a Walter White-redemption; meaning he's not a much better person at the end but at least got to make amends with people he wronged and helped John, his family and Tilly to get out. People associate the money ending with low honor, but I disagree that it's meant to be the vain, greedy ending. Since you can do it with high honor and Arthur is dying anyway, the cash is clearly meant for John and his family which makes sense with low honor Arthur who prioritizes financial security over John getting safely to his family.
My first playthrough was a low honor one. This scene right here that encourage me to do another playthrough.
(a high honor one)
I never understood how you could get low honor unintentionally. In chapter 6 the game feeds you honor left and right, so much so that you could be all the way dishonorable and get into the grey zone
Facts. I basically had to murder the entirety of Van Horn after every mission in order to keep Arthur at low honor lol
Not true lmao I tried to be good but I had low honor in my first playthrough
I found it to be the exact opposite. I guess it depends on the person. You just miss out on a lot of fun being the good guy all the time. But then again, you miss out on a lot of content being the bad guy
I can't stop myself from fucking with NPC's lol
@@flasher6597 lol same anyone who talks shit on the trail catches hot lead
I like how even low honour arthur is very well written and interesting in his own right despite the fact that I think it's clear most of us played in high honour
Every time I consider doing low honour, I'm just like "man, I am not a terrible person, let's go back to being good again" lol
@@SD0tKiNG123 I love being a terrible person. All of my Arthurs are psychopathic killers who will shoot anyone for even the smallest of reasons
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 you should try playing red dead with high honor atleast once
@@smlik ye says you
@@SD0tKiNG123 well thought out on staying in character for arthur
Hats off to this guy for getting legend of the East with Arthur. I barely got it with John
“I ain’t cheese, I’m still a Batman”
“My bath, is coming to an end, Reverend”
I always loved reverend's character, a religious follower struggling with serious substance abuse and overcoming it is an interesting arc
hes a pahtetic protestant to me! like almost every protestant on this world
He has his own redemption arc and he’s not even a main character. Arthur also sees a lot of himself in the reverend which is why he always felt sympathy towards him
@@seamuswbiggerarmalite3379Most loving Catholic:
I actually like this one more. It feels genuine.
It’s like the true version of a story and the high honour is the movie they make about the events.
@@DagAmaRamaGaming low honor help John ending is how shit would go down irl for sure
@@DagAmaRamaGaming I honestly think both honors could be the true story. High honor Arthur died succumbing to TB and left to die by his father figure, so his ending is still depressing all things considered.
I think high honor is realistic as well, but Micah shooting Arthur in the head is definitely what I think would happen. There's no way Micah just lets Arthur go while he lays injured and vulnerable.
Agreed, the high honor cutscene is good but doesn't feel as impactful as the Sister Calderón scene or this low honor version.
Because the Sister one fits perfectly for high honor Arthur's arc and the same with this scene for low honor Arthur's journey.
But the high honor Swanson one is just okay, it feels like it'd fit better if the game dedicated a mid-honor status or if it acknowledged that you changed from low honor to high.
As I always says, no wonder this game got award for the Best narrative. Thr writing ranging from story to dialogue is pure amazing.
So with Low Honor Reverend comes for him, but High Honor Sister Mary helps/
only if you met her at Saint Denis
I was high Honor but never met Sister Mary in my first play through, you meet Reverend and have a heartfelt goodbye for him too.
@@Vespyr_ I unfortunately missed Reverend and never got to say goodbye to him on my first playthrough, but Sister Mary's conversation with Arthur hit me in the gut
Nah it depends on if you did sister calderons mussion or not
The detail in this game is incredible. For the first time in like 4 playthroughs I got to this point without doing the nun missions. I got the Swanson cutscene but it was completely different from this. I didn't have high honor either, it was just below middle
Played since launch, never knew you could have the reverend for this scene. I had the nun high honor scene. Truly amazing, the detail of this game.
You get Swanson both with High and Low honor if you don't complete the side missions which involve the nun.
Well-written scene, well-written characters. R* is cooking a great storyline with GTA VI.
Took them over seven years with Red Dead II. Don't mind waiting a little longer 🗿
Hopefully, gta 5 was fun but it’s story kinda sucked. It was just hectic and with out any real direction. Gta 4 was definitely better written.
GTA VI will just be a gta, without a story because GTA players couldn't give a single shit. But you will have free woke stuff. Enjoy !
The guy that wrote the story and characters for gta 4, 5, Rdr, rdr2 left rockstar. And the protagonist in the next gta might be a lesbian lgbt, since they announced that they would stop doing jokes about that stuff. So yeah, I’ll keep my expectations at the lowest, which is boycott the game
GTA VI’s story is gonna be ass. They’ve gone full woke
@@casultras1989 Except we definitely know that's not the case.
Man that’s so cool that you run into different people based on honor. I just got to this part and it was the nun.
Right? I was thinking about how I got a completely different cutscenes with the nun instead of the Reverend
It also changes Arthurs interactions in cutscenes he'll be more talkive or agressive depending on honor
Right now I’m doing a walkthrough of what I like to call Evil Arthur and it’s gruesome to say the least and it feels so weird being evil as him but I’ve noticed the more I progress in the story the more Arthur starts to double down on the evil and it’s heart breaking.
Yeah I know that feeling, I tried playing that way on a repeat playthrough but it feels wrong to play Arthur like a maniac so I always play high honour lmao
@@dylanwoods5944 I’m right at the part where Arthur is showing settle signs of TB last night when I logged off we had just touch down in Guarma and my inner monologue keeps telling me “there’s still a chance you can go back to being honorable, wouldn’t take much to give Arthur his redemption, when you guys touch back down to the main map you can turn Arthur around” we’ll see if I actually finish the game with low honor
@@okidcain7863 I hope you make the right choice lol
I never played this part of the game with low honor, always seen sister Calderón sitting there. Nice to see something new, even after 3 years :D
I’m happy people are sharing the low honer cutscenes, cause’ I can’t go down that path with Arthur
"You lived your way... you'll die your way."
Arthur did live by the gun... and Micah. Their tents were close-by.
arthur morgan just because it fictional character but i love him like a real person... rdr2 best game to play ever
I love how most people who do low honor playthroughs wear red
actually surprised about that outfit.. did they add some cosmetics to story mode?
@@liandre9035 It's the Legend of the East outfit. You get it as a reward for completing all challenges.
@@janmichalcik7598 ah i see, thanks for the info ^^
WTF, im playing low honor rn and am wearing something red lmao
Most of the best clothes in the game has red, and alot of the nice coats are also red lol
The opposite of this, where he speaks to the nun from San Denis as high honor Arthur was the first time I cried playing this game. You could see in his eyes that he meant it when he said he was afraid and that hit hard
the high honor scene with the nun was waaaaaaaaaay fvckn deep. that scene where arthur said “im scared”… i felt that…. made me choke up and damn i was fvckn sad til the train leaves
I prefer the Sister's interaction from the Good Honor's end because it showed Arthur's true feeling deep in his heart, but this one is also really nice. Because Reverend had been known for his drunkenness and drug abusing. But hearing those words out loud from him to a Bad Honor Arthur? That's pure, and it must had given Arthur a few thought about his final moment, to fight for someone else besides his ego and selfishness (because of his Bad Honor)
RIP, the best protagonist I know, Arthur Morgan.
This is the cutscene I saw since I totally passed up the nun. But luckily I happened to be with someone when they did this mission and got this version.
I was waiting for evil Arthur to pull his Schofield out and pop Swanson in the back of the head as he approached the train.
Wow This is like a whole other story than high honor Arthur ! Makes for a completely different ending ! Now I wanna play it again to see how different the play through will be if I’m low honor …
You won't like the ending
You won't like the ending at all
Damn that's some good writing
I honestly never knew you could speak with the Reverend at the train station...I've never done a. Low honor playthrough
Man this makes me cry
The scene might be low honoured but i was glad i got to save you from the train tracks my dear old friend
I didn’t find that at all depressing. The man left when he realized Dutch was a fool. Good for the reverend.
Depressing for Arthur and us players in general...
The best way to play this game is to have low honor in the beginning and in chapter 5-6 raise your honor.
A true story of Redemption.
This is the scene you get when you beeline the story and don't stop to smell the roses along the way.
So glad i ripped through my first playthrough low honor and thought it was cool. Because i know i will never be able to do it again. It has some cool parts. Particularly at the very end with micah when you go down just screaming at him
It's OK guys just fish for 20 minutes so Arthur can get into heaven
Man the end of this game ripped me apart emotionally
I had no idea honor played any part in the game. But it’s fun running around shooting everything so oh well.
Yeah my first playthrough I really had no idea about honor. Interestingly, I got the high honor scene with the nun but must have messed it up because at the end I got low on her endings.
I'm doing a high honor replay and then I'll probably do a low honor replay after that.
Or maybe I'll just go super low honor in the epilogue
You can run into Reverend even with high honor, if you didn't complete missions with sister Calderon.
@@michaelcorcoran8768You can run into Reverend even with high honor, if you didn't complete missions with sister Calderon.
When I first did this mission I had high honour but didn’t do the sister missions so I didn’t see either of these scenarios
What did you see?
@@villanelle2622 nothing the scene just ended after captain Monroe got on the train
You'd get a Reverent Swanson scene as well but slightly different.
I never wanna see this again
Playing my second play thru this clip just reminded me to slow tf down lol
Has anyone ever tried to do a low honor playthrough where they still help Brother Dorkins and Sister Calderon in Saint Denis? Wondering if the conversation with Sister Calderon also has a low honor variation.
hmmm....maybe Swanson is the Strange Man...he knows Arthur, he knows John and all that they have done and how things will end for them. during the whole train track thing near the beginning he did it knowing he wouldn't/couldn't be killed and was just testing Arthur
swanson is actually a goat, i hated him in the beginning but now i’m glad he got a happy ending
I think if you have low honor it is an advice rockstar gives to the players so you can have the "good" ending for Arthur
I randomly got this as high honor Arthur I was like wtf
Did you do all the missions with the nun
@@ECHOKINGXD I believe so, if not I’ll go back and check
@@snicklefritz4209 if you have I have no clue it might just have been a glitch
@@ECHOKINGXD yeah I believe it might have been, cause I’m pretty sure I did every nun mission, but I’ll go and check and let you know if i didn’t
@@snicklefritz4209 alright see ya in a bit lad
There are a few lines from Low Honor Arthur I like more than High Honor. Like after Dutch kills the old woman in Guarma
High Honor Arthur says "you gonna strangle me next"
Low Honor Arthur says "maybe we've all gone rotten"
Even Low honor Arthur understands that the Gangs "Morals" are a joke
Sister Mary and "I guess im afraid" hit way harder
bro they need to make a re make where you play as arthur when dutch found him all the way up to the black water mission that is still a question in rdr2
Loyalty is everything. He knew the code.
Micah u capper
My path is coming to an end... Yeah that gave me goosebumps
Best ending
I really need to do another playthrough of this game.
I started a low honor play through recently, this scene was unbearably tense because of how nuts my Arthur is, I thought he was gonna kill him.
Damn, I’m stealing the fuck outta that look
reverend was always one of my favorite characters
It’s impossible for Arthur to have that outfit.
That is a great look for a low honor Arthur.
I didn't know he shows up there if you have low honor. I always have high honor so the nun is there
Dressed a bit like Micah there partner
“Avoid Guam”
..”What?!”
“Forget about it”
😂
In my playthrough, the nun is the one Arthur has an interaction with, not Reverend Swanson.
this seemed like it played out as a better story than if you were high honor for some reason mabey thats just how it is sometimes
Dont compromise. Got it
how come i never saw this cut before
Arthur is a italian from new jersey because he said forget about it.
lmao
I need to play through on low honor. I didn't know there are different scenes.
*Scene ends. Arthur draws pistol and headshots reverend in the back of the head*
Welp see ya later then!
How do you get this outfit for Arthur? I thought it was locked behind some challenge only John can finish late game
All challenges are doable with Arthur, you just have to try to survive the bounty hunters and invisible snipers around Blackwater and New Austin
if you have it on pc just get a trainer turn off the sniper and all you have to run from are some bounty hunters near blackwater.
you can do all the challenges that way.
without the trainer you cant survive the sniper.
I'm about to get it as Arthur, but I redownloaded from disk and went offline to play the unpatched 1.00 version, so I've been roaming New Austin on the reg with the Bronte "glitch"
@@powerofwill7314 can you save your progress in the story while using the trainer mod?
@@HAL7757 yes you can
Omg legend of the east outfit for Arther 😍. Did you grind for that or is it a mod or a cheat code.
The cheat for all outfits is
Vanity. All is vanity
Make sure you capitalize the V and the A, and add a space after the period
@@clamcrewcarclub6017 yeah I know that. Just asking him whether he grinded for that
@@Anirudhgunti ah I see lol
I keep wanting to replay the game, but it’s so fun to use cheats to drip yourself out with a badass outfit and twin nickel plated Schofield revolvers lmao
@@Anirudhgunti I did all the challenges myself, I only used a trainer to disable invisible snipers in New Austin to make it a bit more doable.
When he's not shitfaced, Swanson speaks more sense than Dutch ever could. Come to think of it, perhaps both scenarios are more coherent than Dutch.
This ain't Arthur morgan, this is ragnar lothbrok
I never had the stomach to finish the game in low honor.
I always have low Honor in this game and in the first one I always have high honor it's like that's just how I naturally play it
Low honer aurther should of said gruama is nice instead of saying to avoid it. That would be cold af
3:03 Is when I realised he was wearing legend of the east
Arthur: “My path is coming to an end, Reverend.”
Swanson scooting away: “I know, son”
i had high honor but i had not met the nun, met with reverend
to be honest, im more intrested in where you got that outfit haha. looks amazing especially the scarf. do tell.
I feel like Swanson was saying that it isn't too late to change. Not to late to increase his honor. That is true the game won't stop you from doing missions that increase honor
This is like the man in black from westworld saying goodbye
Arthur looks as much like Micah as he could here.
I like how you have low honor Arthur ride a white horse (Buell?) potentially showing he still has some sense of goodness.
What can I say, I love Buell. Feels like a good way to pay my respects to Hamish.
There's a lot of contrast to Arthur's colors anyway. He wears a black hat which is usually indicative of the "bad guy" in a western but you can obviously play Arthur with high honor while Micah wears a white hat which is usually for the hero.
This is why I always keep Arthur good
I truly believe that red dead 2 is the greatest story ever written. Not just in a game but period. Yes, better than Gatsby, better than Moby dick, better than huck and sawyer.
The way that you watch the characters go from one person to another. It almost makes it laughable that thr game repeats everything in a year, constantly showing 1899 as the date. This is clearly a several years story. Some characters we watch go from bad men to good men. Some we watch go from good men to bad men. But everyone evolves in a huge way. And ultimately, one way or the other, it tells a giant redemption story for one man.
Confused now, is there a neutral option? I could’ve sworn I remembered a conversation with these two where Reverend is telling Arthur he’s like a giant fighting a man.
There are basically 3 options for this cutscene: If you have low honor, the scene in this video is the one that plays out. If you have high honor but didn't do all missions with sister Calderón, Swanson still shows up but gives a more positive speech than the one in this video. If you have high honor and did all sister Calderon missions, it's her who shows up and has a heart to heart with Arthur.
Pretty much had the same low honor grim reaper type outfit.
So this is what happens if you never did anything for the church dudes
Swanson is a terrible pastor if he just lets Arthur keep going down this path without giving any sort of council. "Oh, you'll live your way and die your way". No, reverend. That's not a good thing.
That’s kind of the point. When Arthur encounters the nun, a true follower of God, she gives a message to him that fits better with the belief system. Arthur at low honor or even so much as not helping the nun is symbolic, these scenes are diametrically opposed. One has Arthur giving almost a confessional to a woman of the church, and the other is Arthur confiding in a friend who pretends to be Sage like.
Well he basically calls himself a liar and a fool at the end
What is that outfit you are wearing? Looks awesome
Instead Of Reverend Swanson I Got The Nun Who I Met In Ch 4