06:44 *Apologies! I just discovered that the animations for putting on hats depend on the kind of hat Arthur /John uses.* Arthur would look up like John with some hats, and John would adjust some like Arthur.
Fun observation about Arthur's walk, idk if it's intentional: His right hand doesn't stray too far from his primary weapon. It's always in close reach.
Fact, and it indeed was intentional. Same for john. It's a detail from rdr1, while john still had his right hand going further than in rdr2, his right hand was making a smaller movement and more making a round (if that makes sense) around his gun compared to his left hand
I like the differences between Arthur and John. Arthur’s is more lively, and John is more controlled, steeled. Arthur keeps his dominant hand in close reach of his holster when walking John is very natural and stiff, with more visible ‘control’ if that makes sense (in terms of depleted cores, he only slightly displays, while Arthur is visibly reacting to them). I also like the detail of the Deadeye core, since it’s filled using alcohol and tobacco, they’re showing signs of withdrawals *Not to mention John’s goofy ass run when holding the big fish*
You wonderfully put my exact thoughts into words. Arthur's animations feel 'open' and casual, while John's animations feel reserved and calm, which suits their characters so well. John running with the fish, though, feels so uncharacteristic of him, as if Rockstar switched Arthur's animations with him.
Also it's genuinely hilarious that they took John dying if he so much as touches water as a clunky mechanic in the first game and adapted it it for the prequel
I wonder if there's any content or areas that become inaccessible once you become John due to there being surrounding water? Does anyone know if there's anything in RDR2 that can only be accessed by swimming?
Hmm. I recall there being a treasure map location reached by swimming (it's a little island in a lake), but you can use your horse to swim! Lucky for John lol.
My guess is that with Arthur’s dead eye, he hears a clock tickling that symbolices how he’s running out of time to save the others/die, showing his lack of care about his life (death wish), meanwhile John hears a heartbeat symbolicing that he’s nervous cause he has a family and a reason to live
In a recent Gamology video 'The REAL Arthur Morgan Reacts to Red Dead Redemption 2' with Roger Clark, he says that the way Arthur walks is the way he walks irl, similar to another interview with Rob for rdr1, he said the same thing about John. I always loved the way Arthur walks so I guess that's a compliment for M. Clark lol
Sad. This comment section doesnt know about performance capture, so let me explain. Those animations are done by the actors, meaning in irl they actually run and walk like that.
You are right, to an extent. The reason why people find John's animations funny or uncool is probably because he moves differently than he did in RDR1, or because the animations don't really suit his character. It has been confirmed by Rob Wiethoff himself that the way John walks and runs in RDR1 is exactly the way he does in real life. But John's animations in RDR2 are way different from what his animations were in RDR1. That could mean that he was directed by the orders of the game creators to walk or run in a different way than he normally does. Also, from what I've seen in other mod videos, John's original animations are in the game files that Rockstar decided not to use for reasons unknown. Who knows? Maybe they have replaced John's original animations with some NPC's. That is just my personal theory though.
@@NoviceCixrdr1 was mocap too. Rob is also older than he was in rdr1 and works a regular job so he may not move exactly how he did back during the first game
@@simsically6297 another thing to keep in mind is that John is younger in this game, whereas Rob is older than he was when doing Mocap for the first game. Perhaps he was told (or tried it himself) to seem younger for the second game. I always found John to be quite a bit different in RDR2 compared to the OG, both in character and animation. It's still cool and Rob Wiethoff has done a great job in both games.
That is correct! Arthur and John have the exact same animations for a lot of different things, so I excluded all the animations I found to be the same for both in the video.
7:20 the reason for that animation is bc whenever you're in first person, the way the model moves around is in "first person mode" and operates differently than in 3rd, while in first person you can control the head, you'll see this when you approach a mirror and can have your head and body facing directions, allowing the front of your body to not be facing the mirror, but you can turn your head to face it
I like John's more awkward animations because I think his character lends himself to being a bit more awkward. He's younger than Arthur and was taken in by a gang of outlaws at a much younger age. He didn't grow up normally, and it shows by his movements.
Funny how even I didn't know that Arthur had different animations for empty cores until I decided to make this video. I accidentally discovered all that while recording the dead eye animations. It's quite impressive.
For john they should have kept the Rdr 1 drunk physics when he's drunk..... makes him more different from arthur .... also bring back the triggernomtry ost from rdr 1 when in shootouts as john.
John's walking animation inside Beecher's Hope is a reused animation of Arthur's walk but once you step outside the ranch, the animation changes back to John's walk
About the "strange animation" at 7:03, that happens because the game doesn't use the third person animations when you're in first person, as your character moves faster and it would feel super clunky/restrictive, so the character enters a different "always ready" (leaning forwards a bit) set of animations to match the faster player movement and remove the weight. You can see this very clearly in front of mirrors, and it happens with John too. Why you can see the switch of animation sets on Arthur but not on John? I don't know, probably just a minor bug with the timing when switching cameras.
2:04. Due to his weight, Arthur does not work his shoulders so much and the fish does not seem too heavy to him in motion. I weigh a little myself, about 65 kilograms, and I know what it's like to run with a slightly heavy object for you, which you can still carry. You seem to be carrying it, but the direction seems to be determined by it (this object), it kind of pulls you, which is why you have to connect your shoulders to work to stabilize so that the object does not fall out in motion. The weight difference is just like in real life. When my father (90-95 kg) carries something heavy, he moves his arms much less and his legs more often, making sharp and distant steps, with some calculation... you can't call it "slow", but the physics of his movement does not depend on the object in his hands. Meanwhile, I'm mincing my feet fast and faster and faster.
not only is the sounds of deadeye and transition, but the TYPE of transition is also different, Arthur's goes from right to left, while John's goes Left to right
Here's my take on the dead eye differences: ● Arthur: His deadeye is a clock ticking even before contracting TB, what I take from this, is that his life is (simply putting it) a mess of confusion. Not knowing when you will die. And wondering if you'll be shot most nights (as stated in the prologue) and having nothing to lose. ● John: As for John, he has his life somewhat figured out, in means of having a family, and most importantly, a purpose. Therefore his deadeye is a heartbeat, in hopes of living long enough to be a good dad for his son. ------- It's important to know, the game only took place in a few months for Arthur. He is no doubt, a bad man. Stealing, robbing, killing. For the sake of obeying a loyalty to the only masculine figures in his life. Only towards the end does he seek redemption. He's been seasoned to not know safety, or when he will die. John, despite being raised in an orphanage (RDR1 Dialogue in Mexico) wasn't adopted by Dutch and Hosea until later. John knows safety, and has a means of self preservation, even if it means defying loyalty to a person. Especially, since he has a wife and kid. In best interests of himself, and his family. (Which is good) That's just what I think, though. Take it with a grain of salt.
Love the last part about Arthur and John! I think most people would agree with your take, at least that is kinda the theory about deadeye sounds that has been going around.
Fun fact! RDR2 used mostly mocap, with the VAs as the mocap actors! except for the horses. Those were done with people specifically trained to do the mocap for the horse animations while riding.
@NoviceCix dude even npcs were mocap. Roger and Rob did mocap for npcs and stuff. They also did certain things interchangeably between arthur and John. They talk about this stuff in con panels. Even rdr1 was mocap. The first scene in the train all the characters in that completely acted out the scene in mocap. Rob talks about in a guys video where he plays rdr1
My head cannon is that the reason John is more I suppose stiff is because he is paranoid unlike Arthur he is more relaxed because he already knows the end is coming and he’s fine but John on the other hand he is scared of death and maybe what will happen to his family if he’s no longer around
About Arthur leaning forward when in first person, I’m pretty sure that’s because when in first person, he’s in his combat stance and they prob fixed the stance change once they got to John
I wonder if it changes based on Chapter for Arthur too (especially considering his shoulder re: o’driscolls and y’know,,, the obvious matter of health and stamina)
@@gesp2742 I always thought it looked more like CJ's sprint animation from GTA SA but now that you mention it it does look more like Tommy's goofy sprint lol
7:05 after going back to 3rd person view John moves his body a bit right and left. (Puts his body weight on his righr leg and then on his left leg) And also moves his head to the right
It would have been awesome if you would have added the comments they make when they skin an animal next to the horse. Arthur sometimes says “Not a bad hunting, boy” and John can even talk Spanish saying “Tranquilo mujer”
@@Whocares158 Bruh RDR2 is a prequel not sequel. It wouldn't make sense if devs made John swim in RDR2. It would make it look like he got downgraded in RDR1. John can't swim and thats his personality trait. Even Arthur in game says, "Look at you. Can't herd, can't swim" its just the way it is.
7:15 this animation can be observed when looking at any mirror you find. Its the first person animation. You can even see it in online mode. You'll know because rockstar has a specific stiff idle and moving animation for first person mode where the screen is pointed exactly where your camera is
The first person to third person animation you see as Arthur comes from a bug. In first person you use a different set of animations, and for some reason as Arthur in an interior that animation delays changing. The best way to see what I'm talking about is to try it in front of the mirror in the Valentine hotel room.
Arthur's got the putin walk lmao Just realized that. He's walking with his right arm stiff so he's always ready to unholster. Also when he's aiming with both eyes open, it shows he's a more confident shot, while John closes one. Cool little details that shows their gap in experience.
The biggest difference I noticed when I started playing as John is that he shouts at almost everyone when he's on his horse. I loved greeting people as Arthur cause he always came across as polite when speaking to strangers. John always seems aggressive, as if I've hit the antagonise button by accident. I very rarely say anything to NPCs while playing as John. I also prefer Arthur's voice lines when antagonising, John mostly just seems goofy instead of threatening (although I have to admit he does have some pretty good ones).
The difference is that Arthur greets people to appear friendly, which is understandable because he is an outlaw, while John greets people because he is trying to get attention. That's why when John greets people he says "you" or "you mr" or "sir!" These are words that attract attention. I personally like these differences very much.
I think they made John so goofy was to illustrate how he was still young. Also to make us more attached to Arthur by keeping him feel more like a real person.
The other reason is that they didn't make it in time to make John's player model so they just slap some of the John's stuff on Arthur and call it John. That's why he looks like a chimpanzee impersonated as a human when you play John.
I always liked how Rockstar performs walking cycle animation for most of their characters, with the help of the actors and mocap they're doing of course. My favorite one's gotta be Claude and Niko walking.
With the drinking one at the end. it’s no secret that Arthur has a need to look intimidating and will every once in the while throughout the story show his insecurity. An example of this is when you go back to rob the valentine bank in the first cutscene bill says to uncle or Karen Arthur doesn’t want to do the heist or he’s a quitter and Arthur quickly says he’ll do it (this explanation is whack and the actual cutscene in “Sodom, back to Gomorrah” makes more sense John however has few insecurities or less
Yes, that is true and I understand what you're saying. I have seen Arthur being vulnerable about his insecurities many times. It is a cute little detail that he confesses to being drunk to strangers.
about the leaning forward when switching between first pov and third pov; if you look in a mirror while in first pov the character seems to hunker down as if you are in combat or attempting to be stealthy that’s why he seems to lean down. idk why this is, also your walking speed in first person is faster than it is in third person
It’s amazing how the Rockstar developers could’ve just copy pasted John Marston into Arthur Morgan and called it a day, but instead they still added those intricate details for players to notice and to be amazed at..
7:25 could be a mocap thing but it also could be in universe arthurs eyes are just kinda bad(or perhaps he is nearsighted) so he has to lean foreward to read small stuff while john doesnt have that issue
Its the fact that Arthur is an actual seasoned gunslinger and generally good with his guns. John's only now truly learning what its like to be a gunslinger, hbut he doesn't become ever as seasoned as Arthur. Only truly becoming somewhat of a great gunslinger by RDR1.
Am I the only one who finds John's animation much better than Arthur's? Literally throughout the whole game I was never comfortable with the way Arthur ran. He literally looks like he's running from a bomb about to explode. When I finally got the chance to play as John and saw the way he ran, my first thought was "Oh he's running like a normal human being."
That is an interesting take and I have to say, I'm kind of leaning in to it. Arthur's animations do feel unnatural and exaggerated sometimes but I think that his animations suit him just right.
A lot of people don’t like how different John looks compared to the first Red Dead Redemption game but keep in mind yes different game graphics but also John is younger in Red Dead Redemption 2
I think people are pissed because John's model is basically Arthur's in the epilogue. I haven't seen many complaints about how John looked pre-epilogue. On the contrary, fans were excited when they saw young John in the RDR2 trailer.
john is older in the epiloge and he looks conpletely diffrent from the younger version of him in the story, thats because they copy and pasted his face onto arthur and called it a day
I think John’s jogging animation is better, it looks more natural and comfortable. However Arthur’s sprint is much better, it’ actually looks like he’s hauling ass. It fits him quite well too, as a ‘bigger’ guy like him that’s very similar to how it looks when I’m huffing it.
I believe they were also gonna make nore unique animations for John for side missions but ran out of time and had to scrap it. It would explain why when you do side missions as John, he still has the same open and casual demeanor and stance as Arthur which really contrasts John's animation when he's introducing himself as Arthur's friend
Absolutely. Once you distinguish between Roger's and Rob's natural body movements, you can easily tell which one of them acted in which side missions. While Roger's moves are easily distinguishable, Rockstar made Rob/John move a little more like Roger/Arthur as confirmed by Rob himself which makes Arthur's movements a little less awkward in the missions where Rob acted. Of course, the same doesn't go for John.
John is not that built. That’s Arthur’s build. For a game so detailed they really fumbled that one. Breaks immersion for me. Really makes the ending feel a lot more like John is Arthur’s “replacement”. It was fine in one because it’s his son. But there’s no excuse for this one…
There are different animations for John and Arthur if they were holding a 19 lbs fish. These fish are found on small islands in the far east of the map, just north of Saint Denis. When you get there go to the north of these islands and you will find these huge fish and they are kind of black and you can catch them
Its hilarious that if you leave john unattended fir 40 second in head high water he'll drown. Cant wait to see how animations will blend with one another in gta 6.
The leaning forward as Arthur inside buildings is something it's not supposed to be seen. It's because in first person all characters automatically lean forward and have different animations, under those circumstances he doesn't transition fast enough to 3rd person animations
from this i have gathered that Arthur would beat John in a race and John looks silly carrying fish in the deadeye theres a clock for Arthur maybe to show that hes only got some time left (sobbing rn) and John has a heartbeat cause he alive (for this game anyway)
06:44 *Apologies! I just discovered that the animations for putting on hats depend on the kind of hat Arthur /John uses.*
Arthur would look up like John with some hats, and John would adjust some like Arthur.
Btw yawning when stamina core is empty because as in real life you need oxygen and when you don't have enough oxygen you start to yawn 🤓🤓
I really needed to know the difference between Arthur and John running with a big fish at 5 am thanks
2:05 AM for me.
Reading this at 5 am.
@@subtg4am here
6am😅
Yeah
Fun observation about Arthur's walk, idk if it's intentional:
His right hand doesn't stray too far from his primary weapon. It's always in close reach.
Damn. You might be right!
Knowing how much attention to detail there is in this game it probably is
I noticed this too, and John does the same, but since John's hand movement is almost the same it is more difficult to notice.
Fact, and it indeed was intentional. Same for john.
It's a detail from rdr1, while john still had his right hand going further than in rdr2, his right hand was making a smaller movement and more making a round (if that makes sense) around his gun compared to his left hand
Fr,some former KGB agents walk like that as well
*swimming comparison enters*
John: my time has come…
💀
Arthur: Swimming
John: (splashing sounds)
Lol i laugh on that
our time has passed John
Arthur swims for 18 seconds Micah would beat both though
I like the differences between Arthur and John.
Arthur’s is more lively, and John is more controlled, steeled.
Arthur keeps his dominant hand in close reach of his holster when walking
John is very natural and stiff, with more visible ‘control’ if that makes sense (in terms of depleted cores, he only slightly displays, while Arthur is visibly reacting to them). I also like the detail of the Deadeye core, since it’s filled using alcohol and tobacco, they’re showing signs of withdrawals
*Not to mention John’s goofy ass run when holding the big fish*
You wonderfully put my exact thoughts into words. Arthur's animations feel 'open' and casual, while John's animations feel reserved and calm, which suits their characters so well.
John running with the fish, though, feels so uncharacteristic of him, as if Rockstar switched Arthur's animations with him.
The last part about running with the fish is spot on lmao.
I think the 1st one is quite the opposite.
Also it's genuinely hilarious that they took John dying if he so much as touches water as a clunky mechanic in the first game and adapted it it for the prequel
I wonder if there's any content or areas that become inaccessible once you become John due to there being surrounding water? Does anyone know if there's anything in RDR2 that can only be accessed by swimming?
Hmm. I recall there being a treasure map location reached by swimming (it's a little island in a lake), but you can use your horse to swim! Lucky for John lol.
@@fockingreat1125 there's also a little row boat that spawns near the cabin
Arthur: Nice weather we’re having.
John: (Desperately trying not to drown)
💀
Arthur swims for 18 seconds but Micah beats both
9:42 "LENNY! Nooo, Not again."
Legendary dialogue right there, as if Rockstar knew people would make a gigantic meme out of it.
My guess is that with Arthur’s dead eye, he hears a clock tickling that symbolices how he’s running out of time to save the others/die, showing his lack of care about his life (death wish), meanwhile John hears a heartbeat symbolicing that he’s nervous cause he has a family and a reason to live
arthurs deadeye depends on his honor, so heartbeat for high honor and ticking clock for low honor, probably the same for john
Bro thats so true, thats a smart guess
@@kittie420For low honor there’s wind/screaming, the clock ticking is always there
You can hear gunshot as well with arthur's dead eye
The clock actually starts after the Downes ranch mission ;-;
In a recent Gamology video 'The REAL Arthur Morgan Reacts to Red Dead Redemption 2' with Roger Clark, he says that the way Arthur walks is the way he walks irl, similar to another interview with Rob for rdr1, he said the same thing about John. I always loved the way Arthur walks so I guess that's a compliment for M. Clark lol
wtf is that large fish run animation with John xD
It's like a little kid who found a big stick they wanna show their dad.
It's goofy 💀
@@RoadWarrior5110 🤣
He’s like Batman running with a spherical bomb in his hands
Unfinished modified animation is what it is (done by Rockstar)
Sad. This comment section doesnt know about performance capture, so let me explain. Those animations are done by the actors, meaning in irl they actually run and walk like that.
You are right, to an extent.
The reason why people find John's animations funny or uncool is probably because he moves differently than he did in RDR1, or because the animations don't really suit his character.
It has been confirmed by Rob Wiethoff himself that the way John walks and runs in RDR1 is exactly the way he does in real life. But John's animations in RDR2 are way different from what his animations were in RDR1. That could mean that he was directed by the orders of the game creators to walk or run in a different way than he normally does. Also, from what I've seen in other mod videos, John's original animations are in the game files that Rockstar decided not to use for reasons unknown. Who knows? Maybe they have replaced John's original animations with some NPC's. That is just my personal theory though.
@@NoviceCixrdr1 was mocap too. Rob is also older than he was in rdr1 and works a regular job so he may not move exactly how he did back during the first game
It could be a reason as well.
@@simsically6297 another thing to keep in mind is that John is younger in this game, whereas Rob is older than he was when doing Mocap for the first game. Perhaps he was told (or tried it himself) to seem younger for the second game. I always found John to be quite a bit different in RDR2 compared to the OG, both in character and animation. It's still cool and Rob Wiethoff has done a great job in both games.
@@NoviceCixyou talk like rdr1 running was an almost copy of goofy from rdr2
In Camps, John and Arthur both have the exact same animations.
That is correct! Arthur and John have the exact same animations for a lot of different things, so I excluded all the animations I found to be the same for both in the video.
that always bothered the hell out of me whenever john would mutate into arthur in beecher's hope
@@Azure029Literally unplayable.
02:04 John 😂😂😂😂
I know, right? 💀
What?
@@Cor_02_I put the wrong timer, I just corrected it
No, actually. I trimmed the video shorter so, there was a mismatch. I'm glad you edited it before I had to mention all this.
@@NoviceCix Oh, okay, I thought it was a mistake on my part. Thanks :D
7:20 the reason for that animation is bc whenever you're in first person, the way the model moves around is in "first person mode" and operates differently than in 3rd, while in first person you can control the head, you'll see this when you approach a mirror and can have your head and body facing directions, allowing the front of your body to not be facing the mirror, but you can turn your head to face it
Fun fact:
- John's deadeye sfx is exactly the same from RDR1.
- Arthur's deadeye will sound different depending on his honor.
Pretty sure Arthur's right hand is stiffer because it's his drawing hand.
Very cool.
I like John's more awkward animations because I think his character lends himself to being a bit more awkward. He's younger than Arthur and was taken in by a gang of outlaws at a much younger age. He didn't grow up normally, and it shows by his movements.
just from this i could never tell the different before, especially when Arthur’s stamina is down ! i never noticed he yawned or rolled his shoulders
Funny how even I didn't know that Arthur had different animations for empty cores until I decided to make this video.
I accidentally discovered all that while recording the dead eye animations. It's quite impressive.
@@NoviceCix it really is !!
It is such a bummer they made John's model based on Arthur instead of a unique one. At least we have mods to give a bit more of a unique feel back.
It's one of those things where once you see it, you can unsee it, and it kinda ruins it a bit.
Johns model is unique in the beta
@@KillerCagneyexactly
@@KillerCagneythankfully I’m a bit slow and I can barely see it 😭
@@KillerCagneybarely noticeable
One more thing I noticed is John's animation when rush enemies into the ground has him going shoulder first while Arthur's has him grabbing the enemy.
For john they should have kept the
Rdr 1 drunk physics when he's drunk..... makes him more different from arthur .... also bring back the triggernomtry ost from rdr 1 when in shootouts as john.
I love RDR OSTs!
They did, it’s called American venom
That track is a mix of Triggernometry and the RDR theme.
@@Indigo_1001
Well I ment for like random shoot outs
And it would allude to the player is headed for rdr 1 territory.
@@Lupo32thats literally what the American Venom theme is
@@Indigo_1001not the same
John's walking animation inside Beecher's Hope is a reused animation of Arthur's walk but once you step outside the ranch, the animation changes back to John's walk
I know, right? It's quite clear that Rockstar rushed the epilogue and treated John like an afterthought.
Yes, it's true. I thought I was the only one who noticed it 😅
Obviously it's an oversight but I'm gonna convince myself that he's more protective of his family than himself. If he has the stiff right arm.
4:42 Holy shit. I never noticed that they get visibly sweaty with empty stamina cores. That's such a cool detail.
About the "strange animation" at 7:03, that happens because the game doesn't use the third person animations when you're in first person, as your character moves faster and it would feel super clunky/restrictive, so the character enters a different "always ready" (leaning forwards a bit) set of animations to match the faster player movement and remove the weight. You can see this very clearly in front of mirrors, and it happens with John too.
Why you can see the switch of animation sets on Arthur but not on John? I don't know, probably just a minor bug with the timing when switching cameras.
2:04. Due to his weight, Arthur does not work his shoulders so much and the fish does not seem too heavy to him in motion. I weigh a little myself, about 65 kilograms, and I know what it's like to run with a slightly heavy object for you, which you can still carry. You seem to be carrying it, but the direction seems to be determined by it (this object), it kind of pulls you, which is why you have to connect your shoulders to work to stabilize so that the object does not fall out in motion. The weight difference is just like in real life. When my father (90-95 kg) carries something heavy, he moves his arms much less and his legs more often, making sharp and distant steps, with some calculation... you can't call it "slow", but the physics of his movement does not depend on the object in his hands. Meanwhile, I'm mincing my feet fast and faster and faster.
not only is the sounds of deadeye and transition, but the TYPE of transition is also different, Arthur's goes from right to left, while John's goes Left to right
I tested the transitions quite a few times with low/high honor Arthur and low/high honor John and the transitions turned out be random at the end.
Here's my take on the dead eye differences:
● Arthur: His deadeye is a clock ticking even before contracting TB, what I take from this, is that his life is (simply putting it) a mess of confusion. Not knowing when you will die. And wondering if you'll be shot most nights (as stated in the prologue) and having nothing to lose.
● John: As for John, he has his life somewhat figured out, in means of having a family, and most importantly, a purpose. Therefore his deadeye is a heartbeat, in hopes of living long enough to be a good dad for his son.
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It's important to know, the game only took place in a few months for Arthur. He is no doubt, a bad man. Stealing, robbing, killing. For the sake of obeying a loyalty to the only masculine figures in his life. Only towards the end does he seek redemption. He's been seasoned to not know safety, or when he will die.
John, despite being raised in an orphanage (RDR1 Dialogue in Mexico) wasn't adopted by Dutch and Hosea until later. John knows safety, and has a means of self preservation, even if it means defying loyalty to a person. Especially, since he has a wife and kid. In best interests of himself, and his family. (Which is good)
That's just what I think, though. Take it with a grain of salt.
Love the last part about Arthur and John! I think most people would agree with your take, at least that is kinda the theory about deadeye sounds that has been going around.
@@NoviceCix Just my theory from playing the game. I mean, I'm bound to have SOMETHING after playing 2 games that almost made me cry lmao
@@ZimaNoMori Sure. Both games are amazing and they never fail to make me cry too.
0:21 Arthur swings with his arms. John swangs with his hips.
John 🥵
That's the first thing I noticed when playing with John lol
@@Bruno-pq3mo Your pfp 😭
@@fockingreat1125 bro is sleepy
@@Bruno-pq3mo john stop napping the pinkertons are gone now...... john.......
“Lenny! No… Not again.”
Absolutely love this game’s amount of details and hidden stuff. Why do these characters feel real? It’s so weird!
They did John dirty with his animations. They are very goofy
The animations definitely feel like they are meant for NPCs. Rockstar should've kept the animations from RDR1.
@@NoviceCix There's tons of unused animations for john in the files, wonder why they didn't keep those
Fun fact! RDR2 used mostly mocap, with the VAs as the mocap actors! except for the horses. Those were done with people specifically trained to do the mocap for the horse animations while riding.
@NoviceCix dude even npcs were mocap. Roger and Rob did mocap for npcs and stuff. They also did certain things interchangeably between arthur and John. They talk about this stuff in con panels. Even rdr1 was mocap. The first scene in the train all the characters in that completely acted out the scene in mocap. Rob talks about in a guys video where he plays rdr1
Nah you’re tweaking
How so?
My head cannon is that the reason John is more I suppose stiff is because he is paranoid unlike Arthur he is more relaxed because he already knows the end is coming and he’s fine but John on the other hand he is scared of death and maybe what will happen to his family if he’s no longer around
But the government haven't come for John yet
He’s not paranoid lol
About Arthur leaning forward when in first person, I’m pretty sure that’s because when in first person, he’s in his combat stance and they prob fixed the stance change once they got to John
Super underrated video! great job!
I'm glad you think so! Thank you 😃
I wonder if it changes based on Chapter for Arthur too (especially considering his shoulder re: o’driscolls and y’know,,, the obvious matter of health and stamina)
Maybe I'll try finding any animation differences between sick and healthy Arthur and make a video on it. Thanks.
2:02 You sir, are a fish
John runs like an anime character😂😂
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Johns max running animation looks a lot like Tommys running and walking style from GTA vice city ngl
@@gesp2742 I always thought it looked more like CJ's sprint animation from GTA SA but now that you mention it it does look more like Tommy's goofy sprint lol
His run reminds me the one of Aragorn from PJ's LOTR when he runs through Edoras
i hate his run so much
7:05 after going back to 3rd person view John moves his body a bit right and left.
(Puts his body weight on his righr leg and then on his left leg)
And also moves his head to the right
It would have been awesome if you would have added the comments they make when they skin an animal next to the horse. Arthur sometimes says “Not a bad hunting, boy” and John can even talk Spanish saying “Tranquilo mujer”
I was thinking about including the dialogue differences in various scenarios but then it would have taken me a long time.
3:44 John is dancing
I thought John Moston can swim apparently he can’t
I don't like that they kept that for John about him not Swimming.
Flaw in the first game shouldn't be a personality trait for a Character.
@@Whocares158 Bruh RDR2 is a prequel not sequel. It wouldn't make sense if devs made John swim in RDR2. It would make it look like he got downgraded in RDR1. John can't swim and thats his personality trait. Even Arthur in game says, "Look at you. Can't herd, can't swim" its just the way it is.
@@Whocares158 it makes him more endearing imo
7:15 this animation can be observed when looking at any mirror you find. Its the first person animation. You can even see it in online mode. You'll know because rockstar has a specific stiff idle and moving animation for first person mode where the screen is pointed exactly where your camera is
Arthur: Big body, smaller head.
John: Big head, small body.
The first person to third person animation you see as Arthur comes from a bug. In first person you use a different set of animations, and for some reason as Arthur in an interior that animation delays changing. The best way to see what I'm talking about is to try it in front of the mirror in the Valentine hotel room.
If red dead 2 ever gets re-released, the first thing they need to do is fix John’s and animations
Arthur's got the putin walk lmao
Just realized that. He's walking with his right arm stiff so he's always ready to unholster. Also when he's aiming with both eyes open, it shows he's a more confident shot, while John closes one. Cool little details that shows their gap in experience.
I do not think Arthur's right hand is "stiffer" i think he is just keeping it closer to the holster to reach the gun faster.
John's running animation: "FLINT LOCKWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!"
The biggest difference I noticed when I started playing as John is that he shouts at almost everyone when he's on his horse. I loved greeting people as Arthur cause he always came across as polite when speaking to strangers. John always seems aggressive, as if I've hit the antagonise button by accident. I very rarely say anything to NPCs while playing as John. I also prefer Arthur's voice lines when antagonising, John mostly just seems goofy instead of threatening (although I have to admit he does have some pretty good ones).
The difference is that Arthur greets people to appear friendly, which is understandable because he is an outlaw, while John greets people because he is trying to get attention.
That's why when John greets people he says "you" or "you mr" or "sir!" These are words that attract attention.
I personally like these differences very much.
I think they made John so goofy was to illustrate how he was still young. Also to make us more attached to Arthur by keeping him feel more like a real person.
No, rockstar just didn’t bother to use his animation, it all still in the game files it how the modder were able to bring it to life.
In the epilogue he is about the same age as Arthur
Being young has nothing to do with anything lol
@@dvaleehe was downgraded to
The other reason is that they didn't make it in time to make John's player model so they just slap some of the John's stuff on Arthur and call it John.
That's why he looks like a chimpanzee impersonated as a human when you play John.
I always liked how Rockstar performs walking cycle animation for most of their characters, with the help of the actors and mocap they're doing of course. My favorite one's gotta be Claude and Niko walking.
8:00 john got that lean forward thing too its just less noticeble and this is actually the transition between first person and third person animations
Exactly the video this community needed
"John morgan"
With the drinking one at the end. it’s no secret that Arthur has a need to look intimidating and will every once in the while throughout the story show his insecurity. An example of this is when you go back to rob the valentine bank in the first cutscene bill says to uncle or Karen Arthur doesn’t want to do the heist or he’s a quitter and Arthur quickly says he’ll do it (this explanation is whack and the actual cutscene in “Sodom, back to Gomorrah” makes more sense
John however has few insecurities or less
Yes, that is true and I understand what you're saying. I have seen Arthur being vulnerable about his insecurities many times. It is a cute little detail that he confesses to being drunk to strangers.
about the leaning forward when switching between first pov and third pov; if you look in a mirror while in first pov the character seems to hunker down as if you are in combat or attempting to be stealthy that’s why he seems to lean down. idk why this is, also your walking speed in first person is faster than it is in third person
I love Johns animations. Wish they didn’t fuck it up by giving him Arthur’s walk and run in beechers hope.
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Thank you for the sub 🙏 I put a lot of effort in my longer form videos indeed and I always appreciate comments like yours ❤️
It’s amazing how the Rockstar developers could’ve just copy pasted John Marston into Arthur Morgan and called it a day, but instead they still added those intricate details for players to notice and to be amazed at..
7:25 could be a mocap thing but it also could be in universe arthurs eyes are just kinda bad(or perhaps he is nearsighted) so he has to lean foreward to read small stuff while john doesnt have that issue
Its the fact that Arthur is an actual seasoned gunslinger and generally good with his guns. John's only now truly learning what its like to be a gunslinger, hbut he doesn't become ever as seasoned as Arthur. Only truly becoming somewhat of a great gunslinger by RDR1.
Nah by the time he reaches American Venom he shows the same skill as Arthur
The downplaying is insane
I see that Arthur fanboys haven’t gotten any less annoying…
Fun fact yawning is a way the body tries to get more air into the lungs, so makes sense arthur would yawn once his stamina depleted
Am I the only one who finds John's animation much better than Arthur's?
Literally throughout the whole game I was never comfortable with the way Arthur ran. He literally looks like he's running from a bomb about to explode.
When I finally got the chance to play as John and saw the way he ran, my first thought was "Oh he's running like a normal human being."
That is an interesting take and I have to say, I'm kind of leaning in to it. Arthur's animations do feel unnatural and exaggerated sometimes but I think that his animations suit him just right.
That's because that's how the actor ran. All movements were mocap even npcs
Lol arthur hauls ass and john just makes it look easy
Thank you!
Arthur's running animation is weird.
@@Whocares158
Thank me for what?
Was the location for running 0:49 chosen at random or is it a nod to Forrest Gump? 🤔
You've got sharp eyes.
A lot of people don’t like how different John looks compared to the first Red Dead Redemption game but keep in mind yes different game graphics but also John is younger in Red Dead Redemption 2
I think people are pissed because John's model is basically Arthur's in the epilogue. I haven't seen many complaints about how John looked pre-epilogue. On the contrary, fans were excited when they saw young John in the RDR2 trailer.
Its cuz they put johns face on arthur and made his hair black.
john is older in the epiloge and he looks conpletely diffrent from the younger version of him in the story, thats because they copy and pasted his face onto arthur and called it a day
I think John’s jogging animation is better, it looks more natural and comfortable.
However Arthur’s sprint is much better, it’ actually looks like he’s hauling ass. It fits him quite well too, as a ‘bigger’ guy like him that’s very similar to how it looks when I’m huffing it.
this deserves more likes bc of all the effort, great video!
Thanks a lot 😊
I believe they were also gonna make nore unique animations for John for side missions but ran out of time and had to scrap it. It would explain why when you do side missions as John, he still has the same open and casual demeanor and stance as Arthur which really contrasts John's animation when he's introducing himself as Arthur's friend
Absolutely. Once you distinguish between Roger's and Rob's natural body movements, you can easily tell which one of them acted in which side missions. While Roger's moves are easily distinguishable, Rockstar made Rob/John move a little more like Roger/Arthur as confirmed by Rob himself which makes Arthur's movements a little less awkward in the missions where Rob acted. Of course, the same doesn't go for John.
i genuinely only thought this game had one walking animation, what an eye opener
1:31 John Marston look like a meme a running one
John is not that built. That’s Arthur’s build. For a game so detailed they really fumbled that one. Breaks immersion for me. Really makes the ending feel a lot more like John is Arthur’s “replacement”.
It was fine in one because it’s his son.
But there’s no excuse for this one…
Another small deadeye detail, the color filter for Arthur sweeps right to left while for John it sweeps left to right
5:43 Not the sheep yawning with Arthur! 😂
John looks like the cop chasing Flint Lockwood.
I dig how John's deadeye sound is the same as the first game. sounds badder ass to me
There are different animations for John and Arthur if they were holding a 19 lbs fish.
These fish are found on small islands in the far east of the map, just north of Saint Denis.
When you get there go to the north of these islands and you will find these huge fish and they are kind of black and you can catch them
Me watching them both run into the water and for a moment forgetting John can't swim until he started drowning immediately 😅
Its hilarious that if you leave john unattended fir 40 second in head high water he'll drown. Cant wait to see how animations will blend with one another in gta 6.
I don't like that they kept that for John about him not Swimming.
Flaw in the first game shouldn't be a personality trait for a Character.
@@Whocares158 but if you think about it
It means that John can't swim.
And he never learnt to, since RDR1 is the sequel
the way John runs with that large fish is hilarious. like a kids cartoon character. Looney Tunes 😂😂😂
and he runs like Sonic The Hedgehog
I crack every time I see him running with the fish 😂
Arthur looks like his entire life is heavy.
Arthur sprints like he's running away from someone. John sprints like he's going after someone.
Arthur actually keeps his right hand closer to his holster so he can draw faster if he gets into a fight, Putin actually walks the same way.
What the hell is John's running animation with the large fish it looks so goofy 🤣🤣
Rockstar is genius! They make the different animation of two characters. I didn't notice this, actually.
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The leaning forward as Arthur inside buildings is something it's not supposed to be seen. It's because in first person all characters automatically lean forward and have different animations, under those circumstances he doesn't transition fast enough to 3rd person animations
Running with Arthur with the stiff controls make it really cool
Also arthur might have a longer right arm compared to his left.
When john gets drunk he starts singing my darling clementine
So you're telling my john closes his only working eye while aiming?
John moves his waist when he walks🤤🤤🤤
I know john can't swim but that was actually embarrassing
Embarrassing how Arthur drowned 2 minutes later
Epilogue John is so cursed, he looks way better during the chapters
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Thank you for the sub 🙏 You are very kind!
2:00
That goofy run 🤣🤣🤣
Now i regret catching all those big legendary fishes with Arthur, should have done it with John
John is like
"LOOK AT THIS HUGE FISH!" 🐟
1:59 LMAAAAOOOOO
Awesome video, so well made !! ^^
Thank you 😃
from this i have gathered that Arthur would beat John in a race and John looks silly carrying fish
in the deadeye theres a clock for Arthur maybe to show that hes only got some time left (sobbing rn) and John has a heartbeat cause he alive (for this game anyway)
With the Dead-eye transition: maybe you can hear a clock ticking with Arthur cause he gets sick in the game and his time is running out? 🤔
Oh i just saw someones elses comment saying the same thing😂
Well, thanks for commenting anyway!