MK6 GTI 2.0T Dyno comparison. Unitronic vs Malone Tuning
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2021
- We had a few ECU's kicking around so we decided to do a dyno comparison on this MK6 GTI 2.0T. We put Malone Tuning, up against Unitronic. This is a stage 2 setup, with stock turbo. All runs were performed on the same day, with same fuel. No modifications done between runs aside from swapping ECU's.
91 Octane
2 Runs - Stock
2 Runs - Unitronic
2 Runs - Malone
MK6 GTI CCTA Engine
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would love to see some more mk6 content. this was great
Glad you like. 👍
@@COMotorsports sooooo.. I watched one of the videos that you guys talked about a question and answer video? I’d honestly like to hear about the 1.4L stuff .. if I’m the only one who’s interested in this .. don’t worry about it .. just a question
I have the IE stage one tune on my 2012 mk 6 GTI... No other mods completely stock. Horsepower and torque gains feel very impressive!!! I have no idea what the actual gains are and don't even care. The transformation of the car was definitely worth it. It was easy to do and to this day I have only had one check engine light.... faulty coil..... Replaced them all.
I am an old guy (71) and just thought another 30 or so horsepower would be fun! It is!!!
Your content is amazing! Very good video guys👍🏼
Appreciate the comments. ❤️
Absolutely love all the content!! Down in New Hampshire
Much appreciated
first time at your channel. subbed on the mere fact of the opened views and unbiased thoughts of the tune differences.. I had a Malone Stg2 2.0 TDI Jetta 6 spd, and it was amazing. I'm about to get a Stg2 Uni on my '11 CC 2.0T DSG. Thanks for the info!
Thanks for joining in... lots more cool content coming.
I love VDUBS and these videos. Keep up the good work fellas
Thanks a lot
@@COMotorsports what’s your fb page name? Can’t find it
@@98MAzdaMilleniaS don't have one, we have an actual website. You can reach us there.
Thank you I’m getting mine tuned now just got my Downpipe, intake and boost gauge.
Enjoy
I own a 2011 mk6 GTI with the same CCTA engine myself, and you two were 100% correct on the impact even a stage 1 tune has on the car. My stage 1 tune was with APR, ran that for about 8 months with my only mods being a drop in filter and a resonator delete. My only real issue with that tune was the surge in the mid 2k rpm range. Nothing, nothing, nothing, oh hello turbo! It made the car feel finicky in certain situations. Recently I did a downpipe, intercooler and intake and got set up with a Stratified tune, and took a few days to test the COBB stage 2 tune as well. COBB left a lot to be desired in power delivery, I felt that in order to get the car to accelerate even at a moderate pace I was needing to press the throttle down further than I would have expected. The Stratified tune though is by far my favorite. It has the most linear power delivery of the 3 tunes in my opinion, manages power well, and goes like hell. MN hasn't given me many (or any) great opportunities yet to really try and put the power down, but the daily drivability and smoothness of the tune makes it a clear winner in my eyes.
I was thrilled to see a mk6 GTI on here, hoping to see more! I wonder how APR stage 2 stacks up against Uni and Malone?
If I had one I would have tried, but this vehicle is getting an engine swap so I'm done spending money on software. Standalone next.
@@COMotorsports That's pretty awesome, I hope we get to see how it turns out!
@@LightningStrike50 yeah we're going to cover the build.
Well done boyz!
I have a 2014 Audi A4, took the stock airbox out and put a K&N air filter on it. Then I put on a stage 2 tune from Intergrated Engineering and had very good improvements with each thing.
Stock 0-60 = 8.3 second (slightly uphill)
With K&N 0-60 = 7.7 seconds
Stage 2 93 octane 0-60 = 5.0 seconds and finished the ⅛ in 8.736.
I can't wait to put the rest of the stage 2 supporting mods on. Hopefully by this time next year it has a K04 on it!
Stage 2 without am upgraded downpipe... tsk tsk.
Great video👍🏻
Thanks👍
I have a stage 1 Malone in my 2008 mk5 gti with intake gfb dv+ and resonator delete and the car runs great, getting stage 2+in a week can't wait to feel the difference
Where you from ? Been trying to find someone to tune my 09 mk5 gti
@@johnrosciolo8640 I’m in the same boat as you man, tunes are so hard to find for the 09 MK5.
@@Mk5Lance car caught on fire at a garage that was fixing the waterpump );
Awesome video sweet content , came from PFI speed , I just got my self a 18’ gti
Glad to hear it. Nice purchase, lots of potential.
@@COMotorsports would you say a Tune would be the last thing to do after I get supporting mods (DSG platform) also the bloopers are wholesome 👍🏽
@@Gabbrrys tune it first, way too much to be had to wait.
@@COMotorsports what would be the best a tune ecu flash or like A cobb AP ots tune ? Sorry I’m a noob
Great vid love the mk6 content
Much appreciated. More to come.
@@COMotorsports more I watch the more I want my car on the dyno 😭😂
@@845_Mk6 do it!
Early enough!!
"True story" 🤔 my mk6 gets 300 whp... Not!. Yall videos are good ones. I'm subscribing. ✌
Thanks for joining in
Thank you for this .I was wondering unitronic vs ie today I'm on the fence to switch my Cobb ots on my ccta
Get a stratified tune on your Cobb. Cheaper and WAYYY better. My car dynoed 264whp and 307wtq
@@lucasaubin1661 got unitronic . It's nuts
@@lucasaubin1661 what mods tho? Stock turbo?
@@IsaacBuzby yup stock turbo only catless downpipe, r8 coils, air intake and dv+
Ok, I'll be that guy :D My '12 GTI (CBFA) made 237whp and 276wtq on an IE Stage 1 tune... 92 octane, stock exhaust, stock intake, ~100degree ambient in the shop. Probably 1) different dynos, and 2) slightly better fuel. The tune did point out a serious need for a limited slip though.
And yes please on more Mk6 content!
Different fuel, different results.
@@COMotorsports and it's not like you get consistent results between even dynos from the same manufacturer, let alone different brands. My comment was sort of in jest of your "My GTI made 300whp" comment in the video. Subscribed, looking forward to seeing more!
@@rennkafer13 much appreciated. At least you didn't claim 300whp stock turbo. 😁
I live in Edmonton and have owned a APR and currently own a Unitronic tune, I have noticed both had a rather long "learning" phase on a fresh tune.
Granted time is money, nor claiming the Unitronic tune is better, but I believe it would have continued to yield more power had more runs been completed, and is being "sold" short after 2 runs.
The only learning is fuel trims. That would not impact overall power. It's just for regular driving.
Nice! My brother has the CBFA engine that i have the pleasure to work on ( sarcasm that engine is the red head step kid!) Cool to see real numbers. He is running unitronic i believe. Stg 2+, the thing rips!
Nice
Why is CBFA the red headed step child? I have that and I admit, it runs good but it took a lot more to get there than I thought.
@@superstockamx9064 The only explanation I've heard is they have emission quirks and oddities. The ozone sensor was deff weird (I think it was called that). For a stock tiny turbo it RIPS!
@@superstockamx9064 for example they have an ozone sensor attached to the radiator.
@@paranormalextract4976 Oh...doubt that hurts (or helps) performance. Thanks. Unless to much ozone collected triggers some sort of HP reduction! LOL
Getting a malone stage 2 tune for my 17 Passat, same engine and turbo set up.
Hi I’m running stage 2 93 oct .unitronic file .I didn’t know unitronic have stage 2 91oct file . Thanks video Now I’m getting idea above those tune👌👍
I don't believe they do, which is likely why it was down comparably.
How much timing did it pull on 91? 4-5 degrees?
Billy the dyno man
Now say it with marbles in your mouth.
I made 275 whp and 337 wtq with my CC. I have the Intergated Engineering stage 2 with all of the bolt-ons including the Intergated Engineering intake manifold.
Did you do it on 91oct,?
It was on 93 octane.
What do you think of the twintercooler?
@@BADMUJU We've ran them on a couple cars. Really just comes down to the quality of the core. If we're shooting for power I'd rather a proper full IC as the stock one still has plastic end tanks.
Thanks for the reply. I have the original Forge twintercooler.
my mk6 runs uni stg 2 and it definitely feels like 280 wtq but I wonder if since my tune is 93 octane it would make a bit more like the malone tunes numbers. @CO Motorsports This car was night and day different when i took it from stock to stage 2 in 2015. It is how this car should be from the factory imo its tuned way down!
My Revo stage 2 MKV made 253whp and 305tq. That 91 octane is a hp killer
It most definitely is.
Boys, getting good at the words!
Awesome video. Add bigger turbo and some more fuel and these cars rip. 🤘🏻
You're right, we've done plenty.🙂
Wow this is cool to see. Wonder what my car would make on the dyno with my 93 octane, r8 coils, plugs gapped a step colder, Catless 3"dp, Intake, boostpipe + FMIC with my GET Stage 2 File!
A tuner named sneeky tuned once made 300WHP on E30 Blend with just a 3" catless DP and an Intake! My tuner just came out with an E30 tune so I can't wait to feel that, apparently it's 310hp and 400lbs of torque on a dynojet.
Can you do more mk5 gti stuff please....
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU GUYS DO A ECU COMPARISON ON MK5 AXX GTI MOTOR OR A MOTOR REBUILD OR SOMETHING
There's a bunch of mk5 stuff on the channel. Dig through the playlist.
He's like the Canadian east coast version of Brent from pfi speed .😎
I take that as a compliment. Thanks. :)
@@COMotorsports that's how it was intended. If I lived out east your be my guys.
I have a 2012 beetle turbo e888 Gen 1 cbfa and I only have a few opinions for tuning even though it's the same platform as mk6 gti. I decided to go with untronic because of the ability to flash at home.. stage 2 ecu/dsg with USP downpipe, newest DV with spacer, ARM fmic, both charge pipes and a cai.. my next step is CTS ko4 upgrade kit and untronic 2+... I'm almost where I want to be.. my goal is 350hp and tq... I fell like anymore on a fwd car is to much...
But unitronic does lie... Supposedly running twenty pounds of boost but my e c u only calls for fifteen...
I made 330fwhp on a ko4 hybrid from hpa with full bolt ons(3inch turbo back exhaust, bigger intercooler, big intake, cts pcv plate, catch can, gfb dv, giac 3+ k04 tune, on 93 oct) no chance anyone with a k03 making 300whp, i agree with this man 110%
What about with e85? You think they make 300 on stock turbo
@@mk5rob42 i highly highly doubt u can get 300whp on stock turbo even with e85, the turbo is def the bottleneck, just not enough flow with stock turbo, could probably get around 270ish which isn't bad at all
Great video!! What can I expect out of a stage 1 tune 93 octane?? I have a 2012 GTi automatic car ….can cpu be shipped to you or is it better on the Dyno?? car is completely stock 96k miles
Yeah you can ship the ecu to us no problem.
2nd, damn it almost .
I live in AZ and our 91 fuel is as bad as CO 91 fuel. Sucks. I can say running 95 octane fuel in a 91 octane tune is a considerable improvement in driving. I run a modified 2015 CBFA 6-speed with custom tune by DynoComp in Scottsdale, AZ. I’ve gone from K03 to K04 to hybrid R430 and (finally) Garett GTX2867R.
Heavily modified: Ferrea +1mm Valves, Springs, Titanium Retainers. ARP Head Studs, HPA Intake Manifold, Garret GTX2867R Gen II Turbo, Turbo Smart BOV, Fluid Dampener, MSD Coils, C-F-M Breather, Billy Boat 3” Exhaust, IE CAI, IE Recirculating PCV delete, Wagner Competition Intercooler, Stage II 4-port Snow Injection, CTS Turbo pipes, P3 Gauge, South Bend Stage III Clutch, Adjustable Koni's, 24mm rear sway bar. @CO Motorsports - I just put in Brisk Multi Spark spark plugs. Didn’t really think they would work., just bought them and threw them in. It was 108° outside. Boost comes on strong at 4200 RPM as always but at 5,000 RPM it starts spinning the Nitto 555 drag radials! Never done this before, especially in heat of Arizona summer. I run about 20# boost on 91 tune, 26#-28# on 100 tune (custom tune Dyno Comp Scottsdale, AZ). These are surface gap plugs with a pair of rings imbedded into the ceramic nose. Heat range 10 (two steps colder than stock).
hey CO motorsports, have you looked into mabo tech tunes yet?
I had a mk2 tts with malone stg4 software, it just felt like a soft safe tune and I wasnt very impressed cause they would refuse to push the limits even though I told them to.
the car is sold now but I regret not trying mabo tech to try and restore my faith in a big turbo fsi car.
No, we tune for 6 different companies currently, not to mention COBB, and HP Tuners, plus custom tuning on big turbo applications and standalone ECU's. There's literally a zillion tuning companies out there now a days. As mentioned in this video stock turbo's only have so much in them, which the big companies have pretty much nailed from what we've seen.
I have a question : do you need dsg tune for stage 2 ecu tune? I am about to purchase but I am not sure about tcu tune
Recommended for sure. Some of the high torque files offered pack a punch.
Doesn't Petro Canada and Husky offer ultra 94 octane in Nova Scotia? Or Pioneer's Magnum 93 octane? They have it here in Ontario...
:)
There is nothing over 91oct here in Eastern Canada.
I have a mk7 GTI running 93 stage 1 from APR, was thinking of getting the TCU tune don't know if it's worth it though, sucks only having 91 where your at.
I did bring a lot to the table, but it's harder to justify because you don't see the numbers like an ECU tune, It's a feel thing.
Can you make a video on a awp with stock turbo on a Malone stage 1.5 93 file
We don't get 93oct here, sorry.
I made 330wtq and 297whp on my k03 mk5 so don't say it can't be done because it can. That was confirmed with virtual dyno then put onto an actual dyno to confirm. W/M, intake, downpipe. The current record for k03 makes just over 300 and has the track times to back it up.
What dyno, what correction? I don't see it happening unless that dyno reads 280whp stock or engines modified such as displacement, cams etc.
@@COMotorsports i will have to ask about correction factor. Car made 218wtq and 199whp stock tune with a downpipe on the same dyno and i believe that is right on par for stock so i doubt it's correction factor.
@@YFZrider57 so you're saying you gained 130whp with a tune on a stock k03? Nahh.
@@COMotorsports no? I said i made 297whp so that's 98whp with tune and water meth. This is a custom tune, not an off the shelf tune. You should look up some records, I'm not the only one to make that kind of power.
Cool, still don't believe it unless it's on full E.
What would you guys recommend for a stage 2? I have IE now and after watching these I almost want to switch
I don't have any yet that's why I'm researching. Which one do you like from the video and how does it compare to the IE . Also do you have to get the DSG tune ?
I'd like to see a 2.5 tuning comparison
Send us some tuned ECUs and will do it.
Have you guys considered products like boostane? It might make for a interesting comparison video to show the results from 91 to 91 + boostane.
We've test a few of these. We've had decent results on some of them, however it's nothing we'd recommend running on daily application as they leave a lot of deposits. The odd track day, or dyno session to see how far we go sure.
@@COMotorsports interesting. They do make 3 different products, which looks like racing version, a street and a quick shot. You think the same for all or just the professional (racing) one. We have 94 here but... I’d still like to bump it up alittle for safety
@@Turbokrankenwagon I would do a proper water meth kit, far over trying to run any of that stuff daily. Far better and way cheaper.
@@COMotorsports yes sir, thank you sir. Direct port w/m it is. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
@@Turbokrankenwagon Glad to help. Best of luck.
What is the best spark plug gap on stage 2 file ?
If you're referring to a mk6 with stock turbo. Then .028 is fine. If you're referring to something else then lots of things to consider.
Any long term results from guys in your neck of the woods running Uni 93 map on 91.. Issues? Uni says not to some tuners say they have had customers do it regularly where they live and have no access to 93 94...
Produces less power than a proper 91oct tune from my experience.
I have same mods but under drive pulley, intercooler (oem placement), turbo outlet pipe, throttle pipe, charge pipes. How much more power would you expect ? I’m unitronic stage 2 on 93 mark 6
Take it to a dyno, you'll know exactly what you have. :)
@@COMotorsports I’ll let you guys know. I’ll do dynojet sae cf like you guys do. It’s actually a vw Tiguan mk 1 but mk 6 gti motor 🤣 stock catback catted downpipe and electronic cutout before cat
@@98MAzdaMilleniaS We use to show SAE numbers when we first started on YT. Since the rest of the world shows STD numbers, we show STD numbers now as well. Too many people saying numbers were low when not understanding the differences. So to save the questions all the time, we just display STD numbers.
@@COMotorsports I’ll do both I’ll admit i shown std instead when bragging lol
😍🤣😂😂😍
what do you recommend for mk4 basic tuning? do you have a proven recipe?
All depends on the setup, power goals, and what the vehicle's used for.
hi guys, so would you recommend unitronic stage 2? and bit of a silly question but how would a flash tune provide more boost without having a boost control installed?
Boost is electronically controlled in these.
Flash tunes re-write the ECU programming......
Just curious , is the Unitronic tune you guys used rated for 91 ?
To our understanding, they do not offer a 91oct file for stage 2, which is likely the reason there's a difference in power.
@@COMotorsports ya thats what I figured, ECU pulling crazy timing . Little splash of E85 ontop of the 91 would have made the difference. But for the comparison of the tunes on your provinces fuel... great result !
@@VWarmy much appreciated. We don't have e85 here either so wouldn't have been fair to locals watching. (aside from what we bring in for our race car)
Interesting your tuning on 91 octane. I'm from Australia and just bought a MK6 2.0T and inside the petrol flap says minimum 95 octane. Interesting to hear.
It's a different fuel rating that's why.
@@COMotorsports I understand the different fuel rating I just don't understand why VW would run 91 wherever your from and not 91 in Australia? That's the interesting bit.
@@brettleonard8602 then you don't understand. Cause 95ron is 91oct in North America.
Where are we at with that mkv awd build? If you are selling mkv awd diy kits let me know.
We definitely are. Drop us an email.
QUESTION!!! What is the point of the diverter valve spacer?
Sound, nothing else.
@@COMotorsports so what you're saying is... It's a pointless mod! Thanks! Good to know so I don't waste my money on it.
@@4BillC if you want more sound then it's not pointless. However if your after power mods...then yes it is. :)
Have you guys ever thought about doing a fuel performance comparison for the available gas stations out east? Vancity Audi have done a 3 part series testing the different available fuels and get the best performance from chevron 94 with a bigger increase in hp and less timing correction throughout the power band. Would make for some good content and you guys do have the proper gear to investigate this.
Definitely noted. At this point for us to put something out like that with actual useful data it would take quite a bit of time, not to mention money. I wouldn't want the data to be skewed so we'd want to do it all on the same day, which means lots of fuel, and tons of time draining and refilling between each run, multiple runs etc. Maybe if the YT budget gets there it's something we can look at doing. Appreciate the idea.
hpa did a fuel comparison, US fuel vs CAN fuel on the west cost, it's a good read
Hey co motorsports it would be cool to see how much horsepower and component upgrades you can throw at a stock 2.0 T engine with out opening the motor up
400ish
@@COMotorsports would that be also like replacing injectors
@@mariorepetto185 no. I'm referring to TSI. The FSI needs lots of fueling upgrades to get there.
@@COMotorsports good to know
@@COMotorsports - 2015 VW CC w/ 6-speed MT. CBFA engine. Every bolt-on. Custom tune. Garett GTX2867R. 100 octane tune. 379 WHP in Arizona 100°+ heat. No doubt 400 +/- WHP at sea level. 91 octane tune is same conditions and only 335 WHP. Just went to drag strip last Friday. Always traction issues. 3,900 Density Altitude, 86° ambient, 60% humidity. Weight: 3,558#. Best: 13.77 ET @ 109.57 MPH. Obviously traction not there even with Nitto Drag Radials.
What turbo do you recommend outside of KO4?
All comes down to power goals, engine mods, what the vehicle is being used for... not a straight cut answer.
@@COMotorsports I see. I have a mk7 that sits… I like the thought of being fast… I guess. I’ve had the car for 3 years and put 13k miles on it…
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Catted or catless Downpipe?
This was catless
How bad would a kessy car be with immo off?
Not sure I understand your question and how it relates to this video?
@@COMotorsports really doesn't, but I haven't been able to get an answer from anyone about it. Because I have a keyless car and I was wondering about it immobilizer delete
Also ... could billy explain some things?
Not sure I follow you here?
@@COMotorsports it’s ok I just see him pop in a few frames and he looks like a character.. in a fun way I don’t mean anything negative
@@AVERT- oh you're actually talking about Billy....lolololol
The video would literally be infinity long.
I feel like my car is faster in sport .I think the TCU let's more tq .how much for 1 of those ECUs ?
ECUs already sold sorry.
Soooooo where can I get that Malone Tune lol
Send us your ECU. It'll go back out the door same day it arrives.
Clearly you haven’t been below sea level
we're right next to the ocean... and I've swam in it... so I'd say yes I have lol :)