I can confidently say that Joola's current manufacturer's PP honeycomb uses a softer material. This honeycomb raw material supplier supplies a lot of material to the market, so most brands will have this core breaking sound.
The Mod TA-15s (14mm and 16mm) are legal because they were the two BASE MODEL paddles submitted and approved by USAP. Therefore, Joola has the ability to manufacture and sell these paddles as long as nothing changes, including the graphics. That's why the paddles have the strange name Mod TA-15. The Mod paddles, upon subsequent detailed inspection (tear down, full span deflection test), clearly have a trampoline effect and are illegal. USAP, most likely, has notified Joola of the problem and placed this paddle into the 18 month "grace period" where Joola can choose to or not choose to correct the trampoline effect. The paddle will be delisted after the 18 month "grace period" expires if the trampoline problem is not fixed. The other Gen 3 paddles were submitted under the SIMILARITY designation where USAP gets to examine again whether the paddles meet USAP standards. The other Gen 3s did not meet standards (grit, foam, deflection) and were not approved for sale with the USAP designation.
Another possible paddle to ban? I felt the PROTON Series Four paddle was NOT a power paddle, then all of a sudden something really strange started happening. Week two it seemed the sweet spot had actually diminished in size but the potency of my power drives and slams when nailing balls just above the last R where it says ROADRUNNER on the paddle went off the rails with destructive force and extreme power pop! Punchy, accurate slams that were so lightening fast, that I actually knocked a shoe off a player with a slam near the kitchen line, and he had sworn his shoe was tied! That was week two- By week three I had begun cracking balls nearly at a rate of 1 destroyed pickleball per every other game as well as dispatching gruesome welts and tattoo's on players standing as far away as the baseline. So much so, that even 5.0 players on the challenge courts will refuse to play against me unless they are wearing full protective gear OR that I am NOT using my Proton Series Four. By week three, this eerie, almost piercing bull whip sound started to become more pronounced when I would strike perfect sweet spot return drives, where I'd notice other players next court would even stop their games or gawk over at me. Kind of embarrassing actually. So for the time being, now on week four using it, I am mostly deferring to my brand new Joola 3S Perseus which barely hits the 60mph barrier on my friends radar gun app. I clocked the Proton at 73mph at least a few times while serving bullets nearer to the center line, but nothing any faster than that. The first week using it I didn't have the speed gun app but would estimate my serves at a very ho-hum 50-55mph. Yeah, not sure I want to return to the Proton just yet, the way it is sounding, but it DEFINATELY doesn't lack any pop after it opened up after a couple weeks, very similar to some of the Joola Mod ta-15s from what I've just read.
Appreciate you. Also a former tennis player and love to really throw some power into my drives. Sucks that this paddle can be so easily core crushed at that already ridiculously high price even if you don’t account for the abysmal durability
I think it's now obvious to everyone that when USAP delisted the Gen3 and Joola opened a lawsuit, USAP told them in secret "just release the same paddle under a different name and design with super tiny changes and we'll approve it" and Joola will magically drop the lawsuit or they will "settle" out of court
NO, these paddles were approved by USAP last year. It was the paddles that were submitted for "similarity" testing that were delisted. That remains the case as the lawsuit continues. But given that USAP approved this version of the paddle last year, Joola was free to market and sell it as "USAP Approved". Sorry your conspiracy theory is just factually wrong.
@@detaildonBryan Cave. Decent firm. Bartz is the main partner, he has some litigation chops. I thought they did a decent job with the MTD, but yeah it’s not perfect.
Would you add any weight? Maybe like 3 gram strips 4&8 o’clock to increase twist weight/sweet spot? Thank you for the continued great reviews and insight on the game/paddles, Chris!! 🙏🥊
I played singles with someone with a Mod TA-15. Let's just say that I'm no longer playing singles. The speed of the shots while having an incredible ability to shape the ball makes it super difficult to have a rally that's more than 2 shots in singles. And since I can't afford a $300 paddle, I literally cannot compete in singles anymore. There are a heck of a lot of players where I play who bought the Joola, and I'm ok to play against that paddle in doubles.
It’s because the MOD-TA is literally the original approved paddle, meaning there is zero way they can ban it. That is why it has a weird name, no color, or big branding like their other paddles. They said, oh, you wanna say the Gen 3’s are banned because of a slight change from the paddle you tested, we will release the exact paddle we tested, that you already approved, and if you try and ban this one, then you obviously lied before.
USAPA said there were different levels of foam in the approved version vs. the Gen3 Joolas. Would Joola have dared reissue the Gen3 with a face painted like the approved version, and less grit? Someone working at a paddle company said the factories literally can make the grit to pass USAPA testing on the samples and then change it up on production versions, so maybe that's what went on.
The grit level is noticeably different. That being said, the Mod has plenty of spin combined with the power, pop, touch and forgiveness of the Gen 3. If you loved the Gen 3 Perseus or Hyperion you will love the Mod TA. I know I do.
Not directly related to this video but please tell me how the Gearbox PPE is still legal? I applaud those that have that dialed in but it’s a huge advantage.
In your original joola gen3 review you seemed to prefer the 14mm version - I'm curious why you played the tournament with the 16mm. Do you prefer this version of the mod now?
Does anyone know if the Mod TA-15 16mm is allow for PPA tournaments, especially the one coming in Dallas this November? The UPA-A is supposed to have their own certification.
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Joola said all along that the paddle submitted for early approval was essentially the same as the later released gen 3. So it was originally USAP approved. Now the new 3S coming next month will be within very specific specs of the UPAA so those who want limits on paddles will be pleased. But, in the meantime, USAP limits materials over numbers so they are able to approve the mod even when the higher deflection, spin etc.
I had the v1 Hyperion, and was excited when I bought this racket. Out of the packaging, I was impressed. HOWEVER (and several reviews support this), as it breaks in it becomes wildly hotter - to the point of uncontrollable. I am a strong player with a heavy forehand already (read former tennis play so total banger) and now I can't keep anything in the court. It's fun at the net as you can punch with zero effort, but your ground strokes are all over the place and your serves become bizarre. The more it broke-in, the worse it became. Bummer to waste $275 on an uncontrollable racket (particularly as it has so much promise and nice feel), but I'm going to just have to buy an original Perseus 16. Super disappointing my one person's POV.
The paddle I got core crushed/delaminated after 2 weeks of play. During that time, it continued to get hotter and hotter until it was uncontrollable. This is a well documented problem from many players online. Joola will only replace one paddle and will not honor a return on the replacement. Their other Gen 3 paddles were banned shortly after they sold them and now the Mod Tech paddle only lasts a few weeks. I would not recommend this paddle or Joola as a company.
Is it still possible to find any of the Gen 3 in stock anywhere? I'd love to grab one as I only play for fun with friends. I have no desire for tournament play. Thanks. ;)
The gen 3’s were clearly banned for their grit. Plenty examples of people sticking the gen 3 paddles to their shirts and it just stayed there. Exactly like the og crbn ban.
As long as the Gearbox Pro Power paddles are still USAP approved, any paddles equal to or less than the power, pop, and spin of those paddles should also be approved. Seriously, paddle regulators shouldn't be limiting the technology of the paddle. Instead, ball manufacturers should work to improve the aerodynamics and material quality of the ball.
@Foshokosugi who the hell cares about grit 😅. It's actual RPM that matters. And the gen3 RPM were among the highest, but there are other approved non-gen3 with similar RPM.
@@juice1837 the point is that the difference between the Gen 3 Joolas and the Mod is that the grit on the Gen 3 was different and produced higher RPM spin. It is noticeable when playing with the paddles and is evident in the spin tests does by several professional reviewers.
money talks..."how much will it take to make this paddle legal?".......um, new paint job and a little "treat" to our organization once a week in perpetuity
I’m still extremely annoyed that they banned the GEN three paddles literally the day after I get one. I swear these Pickleball regulators are a bunch of twats
Gen 3 paddles aren't good for the game and should be banned in all levels of competition. Pickleball isnt meant to be played like tennis and it makes it far less interesting to watch.
Nonsense, you think spectators like watching slow boring dink battles? Besides, most rec players can't hit any harder with these than they can with any other power paddle. Lots of players at my local places use Gen 3 paddles and I've never had a problem handling blocks and counters. Good players hit hard with anything including weak Selkirk Luxx Control paddles.
ya, kinda a wash statement. Tennis is usually WAY more fun to watch with the overall athleticism, speed and pace of the ball and creative shots whether at the net or baseline etc. Pickleball STILL has a long way to go as far as spectator sports goes.
This came up on my recommendations, but to be honest the way you (IMO) fanned the flames on the Gen 3 paddle debacle, I was left with two take aways: first I want nothing to do with USAP and think they are the picture of institutionalized incompetence. And secondly, while I like many of your videos, I'm not so interested in your views on Joola products.
@@Bob_DaBuilder-i3xno, sent mine back for a refund and have always played with Engage first before moving to six zero and huarache actually….. though I’ve bought several others based on Chris, Will, and John Kews reviews. I think USAP screwed the pooch on the way Joola was handled, I think Joola provided great customer support, and hope they sue USAP out of existenc. On reflection maybe I am a bit of a fan boy based on the way Joola treated me.
Anyone who plays with the "new" paddle should be ashamed of themselves. Just be a better player, don't reply on advanced technology to make you play better
How is this your take lol. What about tennis racquets over the years? Running shoes? Football helmets? As long as athletic equipment is approved for play by their respective governing bodies, then players should not feel ashamed of themselves for using advanced technology.
If you blindfolded me and had me test these paddles I would miss all my shots 💪
😂
Time to order this "new" paddle. I need professional level body bags
I can confidently say that Joola's current manufacturer's PP honeycomb uses a softer material. This honeycomb raw material supplier supplies a lot of material to the market, so most brands will have this core breaking sound.
The Mod TA-15s (14mm and 16mm) are legal because they were the two BASE MODEL paddles submitted and approved by USAP. Therefore, Joola has the ability to manufacture and sell these paddles as long as nothing changes, including the graphics. That's why the paddles have the strange name Mod TA-15. The Mod paddles, upon subsequent detailed inspection (tear down, full span deflection test), clearly have a trampoline effect and are illegal. USAP, most likely, has notified Joola of the problem and placed this paddle into the 18 month "grace period" where Joola can choose to or not choose to correct the trampoline effect. The paddle will be delisted after the 18 month "grace period" expires if the trampoline problem is not fixed.
The other Gen 3 paddles were submitted under the SIMILARITY designation where USAP gets to examine again whether the paddles meet USAP standards. The other Gen 3s did not meet standards (grit, foam, deflection) and were not approved for sale with the USAP designation.
@@harryhoople1684 All paddles have some degree of trampoline effect if they have any foam. Just basic physics
Another possible paddle to ban? I felt the PROTON Series Four paddle was NOT a power paddle, then all of a sudden something really strange started happening. Week two it seemed the sweet spot had actually diminished in size but the potency of my power drives and slams when nailing balls just above the last R where it says ROADRUNNER on the paddle went off the rails with destructive force and extreme power pop! Punchy, accurate slams that were so lightening fast, that I actually knocked a shoe off a player with a slam near the kitchen line, and he had sworn his shoe was tied! That was week two- By week three I had begun cracking balls nearly at a rate of 1 destroyed pickleball per every other game as well as dispatching gruesome welts and tattoo's on players standing as far away as the baseline. So much so, that even 5.0 players on the challenge courts will refuse to play against me unless they are wearing full protective gear OR that I am NOT using my Proton Series Four. By week three, this eerie, almost piercing bull whip sound started to become more pronounced when I would strike perfect sweet spot return drives, where I'd notice other players next court would even stop their games or gawk over at me. Kind of embarrassing actually. So for the time being, now on week four using it, I am mostly deferring to my brand new Joola 3S Perseus which barely hits the 60mph barrier on my friends radar gun app. I clocked the Proton at 73mph at least a few times while serving bullets nearer to the center line, but nothing any faster than that. The first week using it I didn't have the speed gun app but would estimate my serves at a very ho-hum 50-55mph. Yeah, not sure I want to return to the Proton just yet, the way it is sounding, but it DEFINATELY doesn't lack any pop after it opened up after a couple weeks, very similar to some of the Joola Mod ta-15s from what I've just read.
Is it possible they returned all those gen 3 paddles to the factory and just got them refaced?
Starting to sound like MKBHD in here “ I’ve been using this paddle for about a week now”
Ex tennis player here, I’ve core crushed 3 16mm TA-15 mods in the last 2 months
Appreciate you. Also a former tennis player and love to really throw some power into my drives. Sucks that this paddle can be so easily core crushed at that already ridiculously high price even if you don’t account for the abysmal durability
I think it's now obvious to everyone that when USAP delisted the Gen3 and Joola opened a lawsuit, USAP told them in secret "just release the same paddle under a different name and design with super tiny changes and we'll approve it" and Joola will magically drop the lawsuit or they will "settle" out of court
No. USAP hired a respected law firm at significant cost and is fighting the lawsuit.
Apparently there are some very notable lawyers on the case.
NO, these paddles were approved by USAP last year. It was the paddles that were submitted for "similarity" testing that were delisted. That remains the case as the lawsuit continues. But given that USAP approved this version of the paddle last year, Joola was free to market and sell it as "USAP Approved". Sorry your conspiracy theory is just factually wrong.
Which law firm is that? Jim Kloss, a lawyer, said their response was full of errors.
@@detaildonBryan Cave. Decent firm. Bartz is the main partner, he has some litigation chops. I thought they did a decent job with the MTD, but yeah it’s not perfect.
People will harass me and complain about the power when I use a gen3, but won't bat an eye at the mod. All while they are using the gearbox. 😑😑😑😑
This is too real lol
This feels like that Spiderman meme
Would you add any weight? Maybe like 3 gram strips 4&8 o’clock to increase twist weight/sweet spot? Thank you for the continued great reviews and insight on the game/paddles, Chris!! 🙏🥊
Playing with this paddle is like copying homework from a friend who failed a class. 😂
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maybe a friend who got caught taking other people's tests but you somehow passed 🤣
Who failed? The Mod is crazy good all around if you have sound technique
I played singles with someone with a Mod TA-15. Let's just say that I'm no longer playing singles. The speed of the shots while having an incredible ability to shape the ball makes it super difficult to have a rally that's more than 2 shots in singles. And since I can't afford a $300 paddle, I literally cannot compete in singles anymore. There are a heck of a lot of players where I play who bought the Joola, and I'm ok to play against that paddle in doubles.
Great honest review. Thanks for putting the truth out there so the consumers don’t get conned .
I still don’t understand how joola can advertise a trampoline effect - isn’t that specific feature banned by USAP?
It’s because the MOD-TA is literally the original approved paddle, meaning there is zero way they can ban it. That is why it has a weird name, no color, or big branding like their other paddles.
They said, oh, you wanna say the Gen 3’s are banned because of a slight change from the paddle you tested, we will release the exact paddle we tested, that you already approved, and if you try and ban this one, then you obviously lied before.
@@Raymundo619 exactly. Corruption
USAPA said there were different levels of foam in the approved version vs. the Gen3 Joolas. Would Joola have dared reissue the Gen3 with a face painted like the approved version, and less grit? Someone working at a paddle company said the factories literally can make the grit to pass USAPA testing on the samples and then change it up on production versions, so maybe that's what went on.
Thanks for keeping the truth out there for the game of PB
The Gen 3 should be RE-listed and approved. It’s the same freaking paddle !
The grit level is noticeably different. That being said, the Mod has plenty of spin combined with the power, pop, touch and forgiveness of the Gen 3. If you loved the Gen 3 Perseus or Hyperion you will love the Mod TA. I know I do.
Not directly related to this video but please tell me how the Gearbox PPE is still legal? I applaud those that have that dialed in but it’s a huge advantage.
In your original joola gen3 review you seemed to prefer the 14mm version - I'm curious why you played the tournament with the 16mm. Do you prefer this version of the mod now?
Does anyone know if the Mod TA-15 16mm is allow for PPA tournaments, especially the one coming in Dallas this November? The UPA-A is supposed to have their own certification.
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After a month of using my Joola Gen 3, the paddle sounded like it should be part of a marching band. Not going to repeat that. Fool me once...
Joola does not respond to warranty claim. Benn. contacting them 10 days ago. Just got a case #. Many peiple complaining on facebook.
It's similar except the grit and it seems to be the original reason of the ban, isn't it? No one confirmed it was banned for the power.
Joola said all along that the paddle submitted for early approval was essentially the same as the later released gen 3. So it was originally USAP approved.
Now the new 3S coming next month will be within very specific specs of the UPAA so those who want limits on paddles will be pleased. But, in the meantime, USAP limits materials over numbers so they are able to approve the mod even when the higher deflection, spin etc.
I had the v1 Hyperion, and was excited when I bought this racket. Out of the packaging, I was impressed. HOWEVER (and several reviews support this), as it breaks in it becomes wildly hotter - to the point of uncontrollable. I am a strong player with a heavy forehand already (read former tennis play so total banger) and now I can't keep anything in the court. It's fun at the net as you can punch with zero effort, but your ground strokes are all over the place and your serves become bizarre. The more it broke-in, the worse it became. Bummer to waste $275 on an uncontrollable racket (particularly as it has so much promise and nice feel), but I'm going to just have to buy an original Perseus 16. Super disappointing my one person's POV.
USAP just banned the Joola mod ta-15.
Which one has more power 16mm or 14mm? Thanks
So if it's not about the core then what's the deal w/the Vatic Oni?
will core crushing make the paddle not playable? what is the impact of that performance wise thanks!!
The paddle I got core crushed/delaminated after 2 weeks of play. During that time, it continued to get hotter and hotter until it was uncontrollable. This is a well documented problem from many players online. Joola will only replace one paddle and will not honor a return on the replacement. Their other Gen 3 paddles were banned shortly after they sold them and now the Mod Tech paddle only lasts a few weeks. I would not recommend this paddle or Joola as a company.
Is it still possible to find any of the Gen 3 in stock anywhere? I'd love to grab one as I only play for fun with friends. I have no desire for tournament play. Thanks. ;)
Wanna dunk on some friends hell yeah 😂 Ever managed to get one?
Thanks for the honest review. 👍 it's just a repackaged Gen 3
Also just as prone to breaking. Lol.
Why am I not surprised.
Meh.Super happy with the new Gearbox Pro Power Ultimate.
Maybe this is just GEN3 changing the graphics?
I don’t feel bad about keeping my gen 3 CJ.
The gen 3’s were clearly banned for their grit. Plenty examples of people sticking the gen 3 paddles to their shirts and it just stayed there. Exactly like the og crbn ban.
Except the crbn og paddle wasn't near as gritty. And is probably just as gritty as paddles are today.
Last Gen 3, 1st Gen 3
As long as the Gearbox Pro Power paddles are still USAP approved, any paddles equal to or less than the power, pop, and spin of those paddles should also be approved.
Seriously, paddle regulators shouldn't be limiting the technology of the paddle. Instead, ball manufacturers should work to improve the aerodynamics and material quality of the ball.
I hope your video doesn’t get it banned again lol
woahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I played both and the Mod felt a LOT more balanced, it almost felt like a cheat… maybe it was already crushed
I plan to bring out my Gen 3 instead of buying a new mod t since they r the same and not wanting to spend any more on Joola
The grit level is different. I don’t care what people play, but it isn’t entirely accurate to say they are the same.
@Foshokosugi who the hell cares about grit 😅. It's actual RPM that matters. And the gen3 RPM were among the highest, but there are other approved non-gen3 with similar RPM.
@@juice1837 the point is that the difference between the Gen 3 Joolas and the Mod is that the grit on the Gen 3 was different and produced higher RPM spin. It is noticeable when playing with the paddles and is evident in the spin tests does by several professional reviewers.
Feels risky to buy
money talks..."how much will it take to make this paddle legal?".......um, new paint job and a little "treat" to our organization once a week in perpetuity
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I’m still extremely annoyed that they banned the GEN three paddles literally the day after I get one. I swear these Pickleball regulators are a bunch of twats
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I find it frustrating to play against these or the Gearbox. In rec, I tend to just throw the game, so I can get onto the next one.
Have to be selective in who you play against depending on the paddle they are using
If you can't beat em join em
sore loser much?
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Gen 3 paddles aren't good for the game and should be banned in all levels of competition. Pickleball isnt meant to be played like tennis and it makes it far less interesting to watch.
Nonsense, you think spectators like watching slow boring dink battles? Besides, most rec players can't hit any harder with these than they can with any other power paddle. Lots of players at my local places use Gen 3 paddles and I've never had a problem handling blocks and counters. Good players hit hard with anything including weak Selkirk Luxx Control paddles.
ya, kinda a wash statement. Tennis is usually WAY more fun to watch with the overall athleticism, speed and pace of the ball and creative shots whether at the net or baseline etc. Pickleball STILL has a long way to go as far as spectator sports goes.
So ban the Gen 3’s but go play with a Gearbox lol then ? LOL
Agreed!! If people want to play like tennis they should play tennis or use tennis racket to play in pickleball court lol
You gotta start a silly statement like this with “hot take” first
yikes!!
Lol
This came up on my recommendations, but to be honest the way you (IMO) fanned the flames on the Gen 3 paddle debacle, I was left with two take aways: first I want nothing to do with USAP and think they are the picture of institutionalized incompetence. And secondly, while I like many of your videos, I'm not so interested in your views on Joola products.
USAP is worse than the NCAA as a governing body
@@Bob_DaBuilder-i3xno, sent mine back for a refund and have always played with Engage first before moving to six zero and huarache actually….. though I’ve bought several others based on Chris, Will, and John Kews reviews. I think USAP screwed the pooch on the way Joola was handled, I think Joola provided great customer support, and hope they sue USAP out of existenc. On reflection maybe I am a bit of a fan boy based on the way Joola treated me.
Told ya...illegal (Gearbox Pro as well) they all sound the same.
They are approved so what’s the sense of saying they are illegal. That isn’t to say they won’t eventually be delisted.
@@Foshokosugi yes.. they should be delisted
He is just mad because he is a nooblet@Foshokosugi
@@Qpyx196xn ignorant. Indifference.
Please ban the paddle!!
sounds like you have been getting smoked by it
Anyone who plays with the "new" paddle should be ashamed of themselves. Just be a better player, don't reply on advanced technology to make you play better
Why not both?
How is this your take lol. What about tennis racquets over the years? Running shoes? Football helmets?
As long as athletic equipment is approved for play by their respective governing bodies, then players should not feel ashamed of themselves for using advanced technology.
So I guess you play with a wooden paddle?
If by new you mean gen 3 then I get it. Otherwise no.
you should be ashamed of yourself for saying this
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Sorry, but they dont sound the same
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