It's amazing how much variance there is from paddle to paddle in swing weight. Mine comes in at 122.45. (For the record, we match on several other paddles, so I don't believe it to be a calibration issue.)
I believe that the foam is really hard to apply very consistently which leads to these types of issues, along with differences in how long some paddles last along with differences in performance between identical paddles. This is also mentioned in the lawsuit, too.
Different measuring tools will come out with different swing weights. Even with the same paddle, if it measures at the end of the handle it will come up with a different reading from near the top.
Thanks for the review. I think we should not be surprised by these findings. Joola has said it is the same paddle and this is what we are hearing from you and others than are comparing the side by side comparisons. I would strongly encourage USPA and UPA to quickly define a limit that allows these "hot" paddles to be included with spin and power standards and not allow these new limits to be exceeded. This does not close the issue with the Gen3s that were delisted but at least creates a standard that the game can be built around. This will help remove the uncertainty of the game play and allow all companies to "create" without concern they will have a problem like Joola and other delisted paddle companies experienced.
@@trumpisastump9382 You are right but seems like they should care more about what's best for the sport. I would encourage us to all call for change and we might be pleased to see them listen.
Great review...very detailed and revealing the truth...it's a illegal Gen3 with a different paint job. How's it even allowed?! Gearbox Pro should also be illegal. USAP and USP needs to be consistent
@orangemike802 Jolla is paying all the outrageous fees the PPA is charging and they make handle breaking paddles that have illegal springboard foam. Ridiculous
Just stop calling them illegal. There are no laws governing pickleball paddles to break. The Gen 3 paddles were just delisted for tournament use by USAP, it doesn't mean they're unplayable.
@@kabob21they are discovered to be core crushed in production on purpose for that spring board effect. Didn't you know that by now? So if delaminated paddles are powerful and illegal... despite already approved.. it's the same concept.. my friends Mod TA-15 was fully core crushed a week after playing with it. Such a tricky Joola joke. This is bad for the sport! 3s is now the version same paddle without them pre crushing the core in production on purpose. U Enjoy giving Joola big money for broken illegal paddles?
Great review video. Awesome data analysis. I reached out to Joola cust svc, and I was told that replacing the grip with a hesacore or replacing the end cap with a slyce cap would only void warranty claims related to the grip not the body of the paddle ex. Delamination, core crushing etc . I wonder if anyone had experienced this??
I played with the Gen 3 Perseus 16mm and the MOD TA-15 14mm and loved the Mod but hated the Perseus Gen 3. Maybe it was the 16mm issue but the new one seems much better from a drive control standpoint.
Do you know the new twist weight after adding lead tape? Where do you recommend adding lead tape on the MOD without the Slyce cap? (I typically add 3 gram strips at 4 and 8 o’clock on my other paddles.) Thank you John and keep the great reviews coming! 🥊
All I did for my 14mm Mod was to put Joola's 23mm edge guard tape completely around the edge guard and then put on a Tournagrip overgrip. Raised the weight from 7.9 oz to 8.2 oz and it plays very solid as is. Still a little head heavy so if you want to lower the balance point while still expanding the sweet spot a bit, put 3g on each side at 4 and 8 o'clock. If you want to not affect the swing weight too much, put the same 6g total on the lower corners.
Today I played against a well broken in Gen 3. The area behind the baseline on these courts was very short. The player using the Gen 3 was crushing his serves. On these courts it was virtually unreturnable. It was impossible to step in and play the serve. We lost game 1 at 11 to zero. In game 2 we were down 7 to 0. We lost 18 straight points. At that point, I requested that he go fet his other paddle. We started over. We lost this very competitive game 11 to 13.
It's going to raise the static weight by almost an ounce. The difference in swing weight is negligible because of the placement of the paddle. Depending on your swing mechanics you may feel the affects differently(swinging with your arm(incorrectly) will cause you to feel it more).
The Slyce cap has no real effect on the swing weight - it might go up by 0.1 points, but basically the same. Yes, I should've recorded the weighted metrics before I dissected the paddle
@@mbr05c It doesn't raise the static weight an ounce. The stock butt cap has weight that is subtracted so the 1 oz Slyce is raising the static weight ~0.4 to 0.5 oz.
thank you! so good to see the comparison. I have the Mod, and came from the AB Gen3, so I bought the 14mm. would love to see the difference between the 2 but I doubt you will drop 600$ to get that test going! Great Job John!
@@PT_7514 the feel is the same as the AB 14 as far as power and pop, but of course the shape being different the standard paddle vs the Perseus el. shape is what makes it feel different. I put 2.5 hours of rec play indoors, and decided to sell the Mod for 180$ , it's still new and not broken in. I like the square shapes better than elongated right now.
@@86309 You ate $100 after playing only 2.5 hours? I wish I was that rich. Although you did make someone else super happy with the discount. I got my brand new Mod for $200 from another local player that won his in a raffle. Couldn't be happier because I was never going to buy one direct from Joola or an authorized source for the $250-$300 (with tax) asking price
I need a new paddle because of out growing my original control paddle. I'm looking at the Joola paddles, but $280 is 😮 ouch! IDK... will think about it.
So does the breakin period end at core crush? Just to add another power paddle which I feel hits harder than the Gen 3 paddles is Tellez paddle Lotto Pro 14mm.
Safety - I don’t see enough about eye safety regarding these newer paddles. I did once see B Johns commenting on not wanting the game needing safety googles at the net, but in general 4+ players have fairly good reaction times. My concern, which I have seen often, is the newbie players. Quite often younger and from a tennis background, buying the latest and “best” cranking up a huge swing opposite 3.0 players - often seniors-at the net. The newbies still lack control and by their errant swings can endanger their slower reacting opponents. Any comments?
Slow reacting players are definitely at risk, especially women in their 60s new to sports (including me). I wear sports safety glasses, and I encourage others to do the same. You *can't* replace your eyes.
Yes, safety glasses are very important for pickleball in general and especially important at this level of power. I've been openly advocating eyewear since paddles started getting real hot at the beginning of the year. I asked Ben Johns about it in an interview - maybe that's the one you watched?
While a ball pancaked by the opponent at eye level can be dangerous, it's often deflections from your partner's paddle that go sideways into your eye because you can't see those coming. That's how I got injured by a ball and the guy wasn't just playing with a 6.0 Double Black Diamond, not a power paddle. Started wearing my eye protection more after that instead of being lazy and leaving it in my bag.
Question. The metrics after a 2 week break in period changed. Did the “before” metrics include your modifications with the 1 ounce endcap and weights at 4 and 8 o’clock positions? Overall, I appreciate your reviews. They are specific and helpful for me to decide value and what type of paddle would be best for my playing style. Thank you.
Great review! I have no interest in what I consider to be too powerful paddles for my level, but one question: doesn’t the Gearbox Pro and/or Ultimate also use a ‘trampoline effect’? If so, shouldn’t it be delisted as well?
Yes, the "trampoline effect" phrasing in the USAP guidelines is very subjective, and there's no way to know for sure what they're talking about. So an argument could be made that any paddle has a trampoline effect, especially floating cores like the Gearbox
The measurements metrics for the break in period would be affected by the weights added? Unless you did the measurements after 10 days without the weights.
I would be highly surprised if USA Pickleball approves this paddle, since this paddle like the Gen 3 paddles produces a trampoline effect. A trampoline effect beyond 250 milliseconds produces a speed that is faster than a human can respond to - I am talking about your average athlete, not elite pro athletes - they probably have a faster response time. I would also like to know what the coefficient of restitution is for these paddles. This test essentially measures exit velocity, and as I said, it that exit velocity is faster than 250 milliseconds, you are going to have a hard time responding to the ball. I personally believe that these paddles and any others that produce a trampoline effect should be disallowed in pickleball. The game of pickleball should be about a person's skill level not about a hot paddle.
@@AMurderOfLobs Basically John has said that the MOD TA is the same paddle as the Gen 3 paddles with slight modifications on the face of the paddle. USA Pickleball did approve the Joola paddles that were sent in for testing. Nevertheless, since USA Pickleball rules stipulate that no paddle can have a spring like - trampoline effect - they could still go back and delist these paddles. Also, the coefficient of restitution test was not available when these MOD TA paddles were sent in for testing. So, time will tell us what will happen.
@@RobertHuskey-q9z No they can't. Or at least they shouldn't. The Mod TA-15 isn't the Gen 3 Joola production paddles. It is literally the original paddle Joola submitted and was approved by USAP in Sept 2023. That's why USAP's statement about the "trampoline effect" being the reason for delisting the Gen 3 rings hollow when the paddles they approved have the same core tech and foam.
@@kabob21 The bottom line is this - USA Pickleball screwed up by allowing the paddles tested in September 2023 to be approved. For some reason, they did not have an adequate test available to test whether the paddle produced a spring like of trampoline effect. So, USA Pickleball went against their own rules to allow these paddles - the paddles should have never been approved in the first place. Whether they go back and delist them is anybody's guess.
Here's a wild idea...how about you watch the video he made about the J2k Pro? Crazy...I know. Between that video and this one, that should probably let you know how he feels about both of them.
Okay now i feel bad for being sarcastic. Were you recently visiting Santa Cruz from D.C. and I saved you from 3.5 purgatory at an open rec play circus? If not, I definitely played with your doppelganger.
@@Pickleball_Longevity if you struggle with drops and resets, or sending balls long on drives/blocks then I would not get a Gen3 paddle. If you are confident in your soft game, your serve is a weapon, and the overhead smash is your favorite shot, then Gen3 might be for you. But as always, try it out if you can first.
Sorry to see that Pickleball is becoming a rich man's sport. I can't afford a $300 paddle, and the Mod and other power paddles have way more power than the other paddles. Essentially, they give a ridiculous advantage for playing singles. So I will no longer play singles. I will also think twice before I play in tournaments.
Playing against these kinds of paddles isn't fair/fun. Played a little tourney game against a GBU paddle, and it sucked. Hits way to hard so there is no reaction time. Some people say can't beat them, join them, but that's grossly oversimplifying the problem.
I'd also prefer these be banned. With that said, the large reduction in spin for the TA dramatically reduces the benefit of this paddle, IMO. I can deal just fine with Gearbox bangers because they can't generate the massive topspin the Gen 3s could generate. I'm 4.1.
@@keithheintzleman7831 These paddles are total bullshit. My friend let me borrow one yesterday and, while I admit it was kinda fun to have all of that power out your disposal with no effort, I didn't get any satisfaction from any of the winners because it just felt like cheating. I wanted to apologize after tagging my opponent in the chicken wing - something I would never normally do - because I literally felt like I didn't earn it. It's not the speed alone that is the issue. I can deal with 70 mph overheads if I know the ball is coming in hot. The issue is that - even with greatly reduced swing - the ball comes off the paddle much much faster than you're calibrated to anticipate based on the paddle speed. I'm 4.3.
@@keithheintzleman7831 I'm also a 4.1. It's not the drives that I have a big issue with, it's the volleys. I'll speedup, they block (not even needing to counter) and the ball comes back twice as fast. The problem is I also play with a lot of 3.5 partners, and they can tend to get us blasted.
Thin hexagon core. Breakdown would happen within one hour of me playing with this paddle. I hit it for 2 singles games against a pro, thing is an absolute piss missile
So are you saying you hit harder than all the pros already playing with it? Or are you saying that those pros using this paddle have to use a new paddle every couple matches?
The sample fix would be regulate the speed allowed and then let manufacturers build whatever however. I do agree that speed is nice, but the only people who can utilize that or return it is pros. And for a regular rec league, nobody would wanna play with you if you keep shoving it down their throat And they can’t return it. Sometimes I feel like we should go back to Gen 1.5 and that is it.
I agree, I think longer points are more fun to play and watch and its laso more fun to dig overhead slams and then come back and win the point. You can't dig anything against gen 3 paddles because they hit the ball so hard.
I’m sorry but, this whole ordeal has left a sour taste in my mouth and I don’t think I will be buying a Joola paddle in my future. They look cool and people sing their praises but I can’t buy a paddle that expensive and always have to questions in my mind of, if it will stay legal, will is break in two weeks, and why does that person not wanna play with me anymore.
It's an epidemic of these in my small pickleball community. Imo opinion people bought them in bad faith. It's not a normal paddle and makes a hollow sound when it hits the ball. Played 7 games yesterday and atleast 1 out of 2 for each team had one of these paddles 😑
Bad take. If that's the case then why are they trying to limit the paddles at all? Let's just use sand paper on our paddles. Oh can't handle my wicked serves? Just get better... There absolutely should be a threshold for power and grit.
Reluctantly, mine is on its way to me. I intend to use when playing against others with one form or another of the “cheater paddle” . I will play a different game style with it, but it’s not the way I enjoy the game to be played ( overall). Sadly, it doesn’t look like we are backing away from this cliff.
Tell that to former racquetball players. Very dumb take. The sport will die just like racquetball if the powers that be don't reign in on these hot new paddles.
Another amazing review. Thanks John!
Love that you shot your footage from Boulder Pickleball! Swing by more often!
This paddle would be a blast to own but I want others on the court to also enjoy themselves. It's only fun if everyone is having fun.
Thanks for the short review & metrics. Cool stuff. 👍🏼
I enjoyed your review style. Nice metrics and good analysis.
It's amazing how much variance there is from paddle to paddle in swing weight. Mine comes in at 122.45. (For the record, we match on several other paddles, so I don't believe it to be a calibration issue.)
I believe that the foam is really hard to apply very consistently which leads to these types of issues, along with differences in how long some paddles last along with differences in performance between identical paddles. This is also mentioned in the lawsuit, too.
Different measuring tools will come out with different swing weights. Even with the same paddle, if it measures at the end of the handle it will come up with a different reading from near the top.
bought mine. Can't wait for it to arrive. Replaced my Diadem Warrior v1
Thanks for the review. I think we should not be surprised by these findings. Joola has said it is the same paddle and this is what we are hearing from you and others than are comparing the side by side comparisons.
I would strongly encourage USPA and UPA to quickly define a limit that allows these "hot" paddles to be included with spin and power standards and not allow these new limits to be exceeded. This does not close the issue with the Gen3s that were delisted but at least creates a standard that the game can be built around. This will help remove the uncertainty of the game play and allow all companies to "create" without concern they will have a problem like Joola and other delisted paddle companies experienced.
USAP and UPA agreeing on a standard for paddles??? Quite unlikely.
@@trumpisastump9382 You are right but seems like they should care more about what's best for the sport. I would encourage us to all call for change and we might be pleased to see them listen.
Quality review 👍🏽
Great review...very detailed and revealing the truth...it's a illegal Gen3 with a different paint job. How's it even allowed?! Gearbox Pro should also be illegal. USAP and USP needs to be consistent
@orangemike802 Jolla is paying all the outrageous fees the PPA is charging and they make handle breaking paddles that have illegal springboard foam. Ridiculous
Just stop calling them illegal. There are no laws governing pickleball paddles to break. The Gen 3 paddles were just delisted for tournament use by USAP, it doesn't mean they're unplayable.
@@bart1476 The UPA-A approved 3S paddles have neither of those issues stop making up fanfiction.
@@kabob21they are discovered to be core crushed in production on purpose for that spring board effect. Didn't you know that by now? So if delaminated paddles are powerful and illegal... despite already approved.. it's the same concept.. my friends Mod TA-15 was fully core crushed a week after playing with it. Such a tricky Joola joke. This is bad for the sport!
3s is now the version same paddle without them pre crushing the core in production on purpose.
U Enjoy giving Joola big money for broken illegal paddles?
Thanks John for the honest review. It sounds like the Joola warranty will be well used, delisted or not.
280 dollars only for your paddle to break in 3-4 weeks. Sold
Handles break off.
@@bart1476 Yikes
the MOD doesn't have the same core crush issues,as the Gen 3's , I know folks with the MOD and they have had zero issues.
Core crushing isn't that common with 4.0 and below players. It's mostly advanced players that are making the most noise.
@@bart1476 I've seen exactly one case of that with the Mod TA-15
Hope to see you review new Joola 3s paddles
thanks brosiff
Great review video. Awesome data analysis.
I reached out to Joola cust svc, and I was told that replacing the grip with a hesacore or replacing the end cap with a slyce cap would only void warranty claims related to the grip not the body of the paddle ex. Delamination, core crushing etc .
I wonder if anyone had experienced this??
I played with the Gen 3 Perseus 16mm and the MOD TA-15 14mm and loved the Mod but hated the Perseus Gen 3. Maybe it was the 16mm issue but the new one seems much better from a drive control standpoint.
Good, concise video!
Haha, I find it hard to not go more than 10 minutes on a video
Do you know the new twist weight after adding lead tape? Where do you recommend adding lead tape on the MOD without the Slyce cap? (I typically add 3 gram strips at 4 and 8 o’clock on my other paddles.)
Thank you John and keep the great reviews coming! 🥊
All I did for my 14mm Mod was to put Joola's 23mm edge guard tape completely around the edge guard and then put on a Tournagrip overgrip. Raised the weight from 7.9 oz to 8.2 oz and it plays very solid as is. Still a little head heavy so if you want to lower the balance point while still expanding the sweet spot a bit, put 3g on each side at 4 and 8 o'clock. If you want to not affect the swing weight too much, put the same 6g total on the lower corners.
Today I played against a well broken in Gen 3. The area behind the baseline on these courts was very short. The player using the Gen 3 was crushing his serves. On these courts it was virtually unreturnable. It was impossible to step in and play the serve. We lost game 1 at 11 to zero. In game 2 we were down 7 to 0. We lost 18 straight points. At that point, I requested that he go fet his other paddle. We started over. We lost this very competitive game 11 to 13.
Hes just not used to the other paddle
@johnkewpickleball does the loz slyce cap higher the swing weight. I wish you would of done numbers with the slyce and then without. Great video
It's going to raise the static weight by almost an ounce. The difference in swing weight is negligible because of the placement of the paddle. Depending on your swing mechanics you may feel the affects differently(swinging with your arm(incorrectly) will cause you to feel it more).
The Slyce cap has no real effect on the swing weight - it might go up by 0.1 points, but basically the same. Yes, I should've recorded the weighted metrics before I dissected the paddle
@@mbr05c It doesn't raise the static weight an ounce. The stock butt cap has weight that is subtracted so the 1 oz Slyce is raising the static weight ~0.4 to 0.5 oz.
@@kabob21 I said almost an ounce. I weighted a butt cap not too long ago and it came out to like a quarter of an ounce.
My friend's HUDEF Viva Pro Gen2 is very similar in graphics to Joola MOD TA-15.
thank you! so good to see the comparison. I have the Mod, and came from the AB Gen3, so I bought the 14mm. would love to see the difference between the 2 but I doubt you will drop 600$ to get that test going! Great Job John!
How does the MOD 14mm compare to the AB Gen3? Much different in swing weight, stability, and sweet spot? Still using the MOD?
@@PT_7514 the feel is the same as the AB 14 as far as power and pop, but of course the shape being different the standard paddle vs the Perseus el. shape is what makes it feel different. I put 2.5 hours of rec play indoors, and decided to sell the Mod for 180$ , it's still new and not broken in. I like the square shapes better than elongated right now.
@@86309 You ate $100 after playing only 2.5 hours? I wish I was that rich. Although you did make someone else super happy with the discount. I got my brand new Mod for $200 from another local player that won his in a raffle. Couldn't be happier because I was never going to buy one direct from Joola or an authorized source for the $250-$300 (with tax) asking price
Noe all the Gen3’s are out in the version called the Gen 3S 😂. Presale started yesterday.
I need a new paddle because of out growing my original control paddle. I'm looking at the Joola paddles, but $280 is 😮 ouch! IDK... will think about it.
When you added the endcap and lead tape, what did the static weight and twist weight change to?
So does the breakin period end at core crush? Just to add another power paddle which I feel hits harder than the Gen 3 paddles is Tellez paddle Lotto Pro 14mm.
The gains seem too moderate for any significant core crush but who knows what it would have played like in another month.
You did three grams total between each side or three grams on each side ?
3 grams on each side
Interesting. It seems to me based on the numbers that the grit was changed, but in all the mess of litigation that wasn't mentioned. *shrugs*
I took a look at a friend’s Mod and it’s pretty smooth. Smoother than the grit on my Kevlar paddle.
@Johnkew Pickleball, what is your total weight with the Slyce Cap + Lead?
Safety - I don’t see enough about eye safety regarding these newer paddles. I did once see B Johns commenting on not wanting the game needing safety googles at the net, but in general 4+ players have fairly good reaction times.
My concern, which I have seen often, is the newbie players. Quite often younger and from a tennis background, buying the latest and “best” cranking up a huge swing opposite 3.0 players - often seniors-at the net. The newbies still lack control and by their errant swings can endanger their slower reacting opponents.
Any comments?
Slow reacting players are definitely at risk, especially women in their 60s new to sports (including me). I wear sports safety glasses, and I encourage others to do the same. You *can't* replace your eyes.
Yes, safety glasses are very important for pickleball in general and especially important at this level of power. I've been openly advocating eyewear since paddles started getting real hot at the beginning of the year. I asked Ben Johns about it in an interview - maybe that's the one you watched?
While a ball pancaked by the opponent at eye level can be dangerous, it's often deflections from your partner's paddle that go sideways into your eye because you can't see those coming. That's how I got injured by a ball and the guy wasn't just playing with a 6.0 Double Black Diamond, not a power paddle. Started wearing my eye protection more after that instead of being lazy and leaving it in my bag.
Is it possible to deflection or durameter test the foams? Though I doubt because of the similarities I wonder if the density different.
Question. The metrics after a 2 week break in period changed. Did the “before” metrics include your modifications with the 1 ounce endcap and weights at 4 and 8 o’clock positions? Overall, I appreciate your reviews. They are specific and helpful for me to decide value and what type of paddle would be best for my playing style. Thank you.
I took off the modifications before I retested the paddle after 2 weeks, to compare apples to apples
With your modifications in weight, how much does your paddle weigh?
Great review! I have no interest in what I consider to be too powerful paddles for my level, but one question: doesn’t the Gearbox Pro and/or Ultimate also use a ‘trampoline effect’? If so, shouldn’t it be delisted as well?
Yes, the "trampoline effect" phrasing in the USAP guidelines is very subjective, and there's no way to know for sure what they're talking about. So an argument could be made that any paddle has a trampoline effect, especially floating cores like the Gearbox
The measurements metrics for the break in period would be affected by the weights added? Unless you did the measurements after 10 days without the weights.
Correct - I took off the weight to redo the measurements
@@johnkewpickleball does the 1oz slyce cap higher the swing weight. I wish you would of done numbers with the slyce and then without. Great video
Have you noticed it’s a bit top heavy?
good!
I wonder if they could have reused the returned paddles and put on a different face and edge guard to recoup funds?
I think it would be more expensive to do all of that than to just make new paddles
@johnkewpickleball, all great info! Thank you for all your data. By the way, I love the podcast. You guys are doing a great job.
That's exactly what they did. Remove a fraction of the foam and print less spinny surfuce
Does the 16mm or 14mm have more power? Thanks
@@bernieaudibert7234 The 16 has more power with full swings, and the 14 has more pop with short swings
Is it USAP approved ? Or only UPA ?
It's USAP approved, yep
The only UPA-A aporoved paddles right now are the Joola Gen 3S paddles that the pros are playing with. No production version yet.
So 14mm control is almost the same as 16mm?
The 14mm will be a little tougher to control because it has more pop
I would be highly surprised if USA Pickleball approves this paddle, since this paddle like the Gen 3 paddles produces a trampoline effect. A trampoline effect beyond 250 milliseconds produces a speed that is faster than a human can respond to - I am talking about your average athlete, not elite pro athletes - they probably have a faster response time. I would also like to know what the coefficient of restitution is for these paddles. This test essentially measures exit velocity, and as I said, it that exit velocity is faster than 250 milliseconds, you are going to have a hard time responding to the ball. I personally believe that these paddles and any others that produce a trampoline effect should be disallowed in pickleball. The game of pickleball should be about a person's skill level not about a hot paddle.
It’s already approved… Are you surprised?
Dude, he literally discusses how this paddle is already approved. Are you slow?
@@AMurderOfLobs Basically John has said that the MOD TA is the same paddle as the Gen 3 paddles with slight modifications on the face of the paddle. USA Pickleball did approve the Joola paddles that were sent in for testing. Nevertheless, since USA Pickleball rules stipulate that no paddle can have a spring like - trampoline effect - they could still go back and delist these paddles. Also, the coefficient of restitution test was not available when these MOD TA paddles were sent in for testing. So, time will tell us what will happen.
@@RobertHuskey-q9z No they can't. Or at least they shouldn't. The Mod TA-15 isn't the Gen 3 Joola production paddles. It is literally the original paddle Joola submitted and was approved by USAP in Sept 2023. That's why USAP's statement about the "trampoline effect" being the reason for delisting the Gen 3 rings hollow when the paddles they approved have the same core tech and foam.
@@kabob21 The bottom line is this - USA Pickleball screwed up by allowing the paddles tested in September 2023 to be approved. For some reason, they did not have an adequate test available to test whether the paddle produced a spring like of trampoline effect. So, USA Pickleball went against their own rules to allow these paddles - the paddles should have never been approved in the first place. Whether they go back and delist them is anybody's guess.
hey, how would you say this paddle compares to a J2k Pro
Check out John’s paddle database to compare.
They are completely different paddles lol
Here's a wild idea...how about you watch the video he made about the J2k Pro? Crazy...I know. Between that video and this one, that should probably let you know how he feels about both of them.
Okay now i feel bad for being sarcastic. Were you recently visiting Santa Cruz from D.C. and I saved you from 3.5 purgatory at an open rec play circus? If not, I definitely played with your doppelganger.
@@Pickleball_Longevity if you struggle with drops and resets, or sending balls long on drives/blocks then I would not get a Gen3 paddle.
If you are confident in your soft game, your serve is a weapon, and the overhead smash is your favorite shot, then Gen3 might be for you.
But as always, try it out if you can first.
Find it hard to belief that the core "flexing" won't degrade the integrity of the core edges.
Sorry to see that Pickleball is becoming a rich man's sport. I can't afford a $300 paddle, and the Mod and other power paddles have way more power than the other paddles. Essentially, they give a ridiculous advantage for playing singles. So I will no longer play singles. I will also think twice before I play in tournaments.
TLDR: USAP is a joke
Playing against these kinds of paddles isn't fair/fun. Played a little tourney game against a GBU paddle, and it sucked. Hits way to hard so there is no reaction time. Some people say can't beat them, join them, but that's grossly oversimplifying the problem.
I'd also prefer these be banned. With that said, the large reduction in spin for the TA dramatically reduces the benefit of this paddle, IMO. I can deal just fine with Gearbox bangers because they can't generate the massive topspin the Gen 3s could generate. I'm 4.1.
@@keithheintzleman7831 These paddles are total bullshit. My friend let me borrow one yesterday and, while I admit it was kinda fun to have all of that power out your disposal with no effort, I didn't get any satisfaction from any of the winners because it just felt like cheating. I wanted to apologize after tagging my opponent in the chicken wing - something I would never normally do - because I literally felt like I didn't earn it.
It's not the speed alone that is the issue. I can deal with 70 mph overheads if I know the ball is coming in hot. The issue is that - even with greatly reduced swing - the ball comes off the paddle much much faster than you're calibrated to anticipate based on the paddle speed. I'm 4.3.
@@keithheintzleman7831 I'm also a 4.1. It's not the drives that I have a big issue with, it's the volleys. I'll speedup, they block (not even needing to counter) and the ball comes back twice as fast. The problem is I also play with a lot of 3.5 partners, and they can tend to get us blasted.
What’s a GBU paddle ?
@@Omar123ABC Gearbox Ultimate paddle
I automatically think less of anyone that use this and the ripple.
This video is 2 days old and already outdated - They just released the new Joola 3s!
The 3s paddles only have UPA-A certification. The Mod TA only has USPA certification.
if the mod and gen3s are basically the same, it only proves one thing .. usap was stupid enough to ban the gen3s
Or they were intimidated enough by litigation to approve the MOD TA-15. NO TRAMPOLINE EFFECT IS ALLOWED.
Thin hexagon core. Breakdown would happen within one hour of me playing with this paddle. I hit it for 2 singles games against a pro, thing is an absolute piss missile
So are you saying you hit harder than all the pros already playing with it? Or are you saying that those pros using this paddle have to use a new paddle every couple matches?
The sample fix would be regulate the speed allowed and then let manufacturers build whatever however. I do agree that speed is nice, but the only people who can utilize that or return it is pros. And for a regular rec league, nobody would wanna play with you if you keep shoving it down their throat And they can’t return it. Sometimes I feel like we should go back to Gen 1.5 and that is it.
I agree, I think longer points are more fun to play and watch and its laso more fun to dig overhead slams and then come back and win the point. You can't dig anything against gen 3 paddles because they hit the ball so hard.
@@Nix27. yeah. It will change the sport in a negative manner I feel.
Yes, and we should go back to outhouses and horse and buggies.
@@trumpisastump9382 Stupid ass statement.
Cheater paddle without question.
I’m sorry but, this whole ordeal has left a sour taste in my mouth and I don’t think I will be buying a Joola paddle in my future. They look cool and people sing their praises but I can’t buy a paddle that expensive and always have to questions in my mind of, if it will stay legal, will is break in two weeks, and why does that person not wanna play with me anymore.
It's an epidemic of these in my small pickleball community. Imo opinion people bought them in bad faith. It's not a normal paddle and makes a hollow sound when it hits the ball. Played 7 games yesterday and atleast 1 out of 2 for each team had one of these paddles 😑
Honolulu pickleball company makes better paddles.
People gotta let the game evolve. Just get better if you can't handle more power.
Bad take. If that's the case then why are they trying to limit the paddles at all? Let's just use sand paper on our paddles. Oh can't handle my wicked serves? Just get better... There absolutely should be a threshold for power and grit.
Are you stupid? There are limits on human reaction times within short distances!
Reluctantly, mine is on its way to me. I intend to use when playing against others with one form or another of the “cheater paddle” . I will play a different game style with it, but it’s not the way I enjoy the game to be played ( overall). Sadly, it doesn’t look like we are backing away from this cliff.
Let me use an AI bot to play pickleball and I can sit in the back like a Pokémon trainer.
Tell that to former racquetball players. Very dumb take. The sport will die just like racquetball if the powers that be don't reign in on these hot new paddles.
You did three grams total between each side or three grams on each side ?
3 grams on each side