If ben were to retire from competition, he will be a top notch coach. I follow his videos and learned a lot from him. His explanation is short and crisp .. straight to the point.
I tried doing the shovel drop during open play today after watching this! It was a gamechanger, I was able to get up to net quicker! I wasn’t consistent as I’m just trying new things and I need to drill. Thanks for this!
Ben's science background comes through in his coaching. I love the way he has different skills so thoroughly figured out that he can watch a player "almost" execute a skill, then instantly articulate where/when the player did the wrong thing or needs to improve. This was hugely valuable- can't wait to try it out in practice.
I think if you visualize how Ben takes dinks off Collin’s right foot and pulls the ball cross court you will get the wrist and paddle position right. . .I think the only piece Josh was missing is that paddle tip facing up when he pulls the ball from behind his body. I would actually teach the Collin poach dink first as it gives a better sense of the contact point and when this shot is valuable spatially. Meaning it’s not a shot to execute when the ball is out in front. Josh was forced to force it a few times as Ben’s fourth didn’t get behind him. Great stuff!
Pure gold. Ben and Collin could write pickleball's _Modernist Cuisine._ They should title it _All Your Kitchens Are Belong To Us,_ and they should pose on the front cover in white BBQ smocks flipping the bird with raw carbon-fiber spatulas. On the back cover, they could have a classic roast piglet with the apple replaced by a perforated plastic shell.
Content is getting better and better!! I’m learning so much 🤓! What’s “3 ass cheeks behind” mean? Good stuff, Josh the Natural (& Ben)!! -Mrs. Van-Park
@7:04 LOL this actually doesn't look that much different than when Ben play is in tournaments. So casual and smooth. Also his drives are so close to the net, wow.
Ben Johns teaching the secret cheat codes for anything involving technique - creating the maximum wrist flex ensures that you always have the same angle every shot. Brilliant.
Cool. I like to "max" idea for repeatability. I thought the trend would be more toward topspin. I'd think Rec players would be exposed to speedup body shots with those soft ones.
Collin also does a drop where he strikes the outside of the ball with top spin but finishes his swing on the same side of his head. I wonder if this method is an improvement or if they recommend both ?
8:35 I learned you can do what he calls a shovel for low balls in front of your body but how about if I'm two steps in the transition zone and they hit one at my chest. I get caught with that all the time
Great question. Ben is referencing my left shoulder staying closed longer as opposed to opening up. The left shoulder is usually the lever that starts opening first and causes someone to come up and out of a shot. By keeping it slowed longer, he wants my left shoulder pointing at the target longer.
There is backspin on the ball based on open paddle face and swing path but you’re not actively trying to add spin, it’s just a consequence of the two items I mentioned.
When hitting this shot, yes you can make contact behind your body. The other options are standard drops when ball is descending or half volley. But this is just one method to accomplish hitting a 5th and getting to the net.
Ben played tennis since 7. By 16 he was not playing national events. So in pickleball he goes pro becomes top pro in 2 years. His competition was minimal and as of now it growing daily. He is a lucky guy because without pickleball he was going nowhere in tennis just saying let's be real
@@JoshJPickleball I went to the Joola website and I couldn't exactly tell which ones these two are. Could you please be more specific? And 14 or 16? Thank you!
So pickleball is much easier to be good at. I see nerds that could never play tennis but excel at pickleball. Any one with a heart beat legs and some intelligence has a chance at playing pickleball at high level. It's like tennis is the true racket sport pickleball is it's junior. It takes so so much in tennis football basketball to be great pickleball is your best chance at professional sports. Guys play for a year and are turning pro. That's because pickleball has not evolved
Ben took up pickleball because his tennis was sub par. He was a 2 chip athlete never played 5 chips . He was 696 or so in recruiting not great. You will see Ben and brother drop off as pickleball grows to the level of tennis. Him being the greatest ever is in my opinion to early to call. He came in at the right time. No one trained like they are now because prize money was nothing. Since 2022 pickleball finally became a money game. Money will see more players train and it will be 2027 be a different sport with an increase of depth etc😢
9:16 Johns says if he gets a counter that gets behind him , then he uses that shovel drop . At least that is how I understand it . I think the video should’ve clarified that it is an option for when the ball gets behind you . I’m not positive I’m correct , but that’s how I interpret it
I saw this and was like no way. So good. Thank you Ben and Josh.
Meee toooo! lol
If ben were to retire from competition, he will be a top notch coach. I follow his videos and learned a lot from him. His explanation is short and crisp .. straight to the point.
I tried doing the shovel drop during open play today after watching this! It was a gamechanger, I was able to get up to net quicker! I wasn’t consistent as I’m just trying new things and I need to drill. Thanks for this!
You’re welcome! Love to hear you’re trying it out!
Ben's explanations are superb!
Ben's science background comes through in his coaching. I love the way he has different skills so thoroughly figured out that he can watch a player "almost" execute a skill, then instantly articulate where/when the player did the wrong thing or needs to improve.
This was hugely valuable- can't wait to try it out in practice.
Best Pickelball advice/ tutorial I’ve ever seen. Hopefully we can get more topics at this level from Ben. Thanks!
Wow I'm only 2 mins in and learned so much already. The tip about paddle position when the ball is behind you is SOOO helpful!
Thank you so much for the video. More with Ben!
Thank you for this! Loved the lesson and the more in-depth "why" and "when" that seems to be missing from a lot of "master this shot!" videos.
Amazing stuff, you're my new favorite pb channel
That means a lot from this dude. I see him commenting on every pb video haha
I predict your channel growing very fast with your excellent content! Keep up the good work Josh.!
Great discussion about paddle angle that is rarely mentioned on any PB teaching channel. Thank you both!! 👍👍
@@patrickmcpatrick you’re welcome! Thank you!
More with Ben please. Love this ! Thank you Ben! Thank you Josh! 👏
We will try our best!
I think if you visualize how Ben takes dinks off Collin’s right foot and pulls the ball cross court you will get the wrist and paddle position right. . .I think the only piece Josh was missing is that paddle tip facing up when he pulls the ball from behind his body.
I would actually teach the Collin poach dink first as it gives a better sense of the contact point and when this shot is valuable spatially. Meaning it’s not a shot to execute when the ball is out in front. Josh was forced to force it a few times as Ben’s fourth didn’t get behind him.
Great stuff!
Pure gold. Ben and Collin could write pickleball's _Modernist Cuisine._ They should title it _All Your Kitchens Are Belong To Us,_ and they should pose on the front cover in white BBQ smocks flipping the bird with raw carbon-fiber spatulas. On the back cover, they could have a classic roast piglet with the apple replaced by a perforated plastic shell.
Bro you stoned and munchies?
Great video! Please have more of these sessions with Ben. ❤
Finally! Someone covers the shovel. Can you follow up with forehand shovel dinks? I really like seeing techniques from the modern pro game.
We will bring you ALL the content
Such amazing content with the best! 🙌🏽
A lot of advanced struff in this. Appreciate the showing. I never thought to have a different drop form to compensate for being up too far.
So many little nuggets in one video! Plus I just enjoyed Josh getting schooled.
After this lesson, he’s about a half an inch of height away from being an alpha male.
Ben is talking about stuff I've never heard with the maximized wrist position combined with the ball getting behind him.
Impressive. Thank you. Looking forward to more…
Top notch content.. I never miss a single video. Keep up the good work. There is a lack of high level PB content.
Thank you!!
This is great, very well explained! 😊
Content is getting better and better!! I’m learning so much 🤓! What’s “3 ass cheeks behind” mean? Good stuff, Josh the Natural (& Ben)!! -Mrs. Van-Park
Great video! Simple and straightforward. Thank you
Hey Josh! This is amazing content. See you next weekend in Malaysia!
very good moves i will practice thank you for sharing
Great insight from Ben Johns!
Thanks for this Ben!
Great info..thanks
Great content, Josh "the natural" Jenkins! Keep em coming. -Kenny Walker
this was so good ... great lesson with great camera position/angles
Glad you appreciate the multiple angels and split screen! Thank you for the feedback!
wow great analysis from ben
He is not the best by accident. Guy knows his stuff!
Time to start adding this to things I need to practice
@7:04 LOL this actually doesn't look that much different than when Ben play is in tournaments. So casual and smooth. Also his drives are so close to the net, wow.
THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD , COACHING ONE OF THE BEST COACH EVER
You’re a legend Ram!
Great video, love all the paddle angle info, keep up the awesome content 🔥
how do you only have 6k subs? This is great stuff! Just subbed! can't wait to see more of your vids.
Awesome video. More of these pleaseeeee
great points
Nice format video.
Great lesson with the best!
Wow great video!
soooo good keep it up
Josh the man
Ben Johns teaching the secret cheat codes for anything involving technique - creating the maximum wrist flex ensures that you always have the same angle every shot. Brilliant.
valuable stuff 👌
More please.
my boy dressing Beavis-core 🤘
Cool. I like to "max" idea for repeatability. I thought the trend would be more toward topspin. I'd think Rec players would be exposed to speedup body shots with those soft ones.
When would you use this over a topspin drop?
Wow. I've always thought the ball is behind him but never thought why.
Does Ben change grips between the 3rd and 5th?
I wanna try this shuffle drop thing.
*shovel drop
how much is a session with ben about to book him right now
Collin also does a drop where he strikes the outside of the ball with top spin but finishes his swing on the same side of his head. I wonder if this method is an improvement or if they recommend both ?
Two different shots for different situations. Collin has an incredibly consistent drop.
8:35 I learned you can do what he calls a shovel for low balls in front of your body but how about if I'm two steps in the transition zone and they hit one at my chest. I get caught with that all the time
You need to pull a matrix and let it pass by and go long in this case.
Deskboy checking in
I like when Ben cooks you at 8:03 😆😆
@2:40 Ben tells Josh to not open early and stay closed longer. Can someone explain what he means by this please? Thanks!
Great question. Ben is referencing my left shoulder staying closed longer as opposed to opening up.
The left shoulder is usually the lever that starts opening first and causes someone to come up and out of a shot. By keeping it slowed longer, he wants my left shoulder pointing at the target longer.
May I have some more please
Can someone answer this for me:
If I’m hitting the shovel drop successfully, is there a slight slice on the ball? Or is it more of a flat/dead shot?
Seemed more dead since Ben mentioned keeping the face not as open but rather more flat to not have it seem like a slice
There is backspin on the ball based on open paddle face and swing path but you’re not actively trying to add spin, it’s just a consequence of the two items I mentioned.
I'd be vollying most of thoes drops. They would be volleys drops or drives
I did not follow when will he short hop and it and when he will take it behind him ? Could you please explain
Looks like Hawaii!
Lại phải ngồi dịch mới hiểu hêt dc
So what does exemplary drive form look like 😅😅😅
was this
shot at pb getaways? island?
Yes, beautiful Antigua!
@ ah , thats so nice. time for start saving $$ to meet Ben 😄
does it mean that the contact point should be behind the body?
When hitting this shot, yes you can make contact behind your body.
The other options are standard drops when ball is descending or half volley. But this is just one method to accomplish hitting a 5th and getting to the net.
@@JoshJPickleball Thanks so much for your reply
I've noticed it in tourney play but never understood that it was intentional.
It’s actually funny that every clothing item yall are wearing is opposite from the hat all the way to the shorts 😆
OK, from the mere mortal gallery, where's my pen and paper?
8:00 bro tried to pull a sneak attack on Ben Johns and got instant retribution...
Also no one played pickleball until 2022 then boom boom boom it's sky rocketed
Holy smokes man. That dead spot before the drops was terrible lol
Let’s start with this when you hit this drive, don’t move so fast to the net. Just stay back and in position for the 5th shot drop.
What about the 6th, 7th, or 8th shot drop. Don't over complicate things
I feel like i should've paid for this
This is great but I don’t think I’m good night to hit drops behind me. I need to make contact in front.
A traditional drop, where the ball is descending is great. Or even the half volley will work too
It’s called 3rd ball and 5th ball in table tennis
How does he intentionally double hit like every time 😅
Ben played tennis since 7. By 16 he was not playing national events. So in pickleball he goes pro becomes top pro in 2 years. His competition was minimal and as of now it growing daily. He is a lucky guy because without pickleball he was going nowhere in tennis just saying let's be real
Opposite Outfit Color Day
Hahaha an accident on purpose
Why is josh feigning like he's a clueless 3.5? Let's see a high level lesson
He’s not using the 3s? Wow
@@brenoraffa2750 Ben uses 3S for doubles and OG Perseus for singles
@@JoshJPickleball hey Josh! Did he explain why he went back to OG Perseus for singles? More control?
@@JoshJPickleball I went to the Joola website and I couldn't exactly tell which ones these two are. Could you please be more specific? And 14 or 16? Thank you!
my boy those shorts need some rethinking.
Hahaha I can’t say you’re wrong
So pickleball is much easier to be good at. I see nerds that could never play tennis but excel at pickleball. Any one with a heart beat legs and some intelligence has a chance at playing pickleball at high level. It's like tennis is the true racket sport pickleball is it's junior. It takes so so much in tennis football basketball to be great pickleball is your best chance at professional sports. Guys play for a year and are turning pro. That's because pickleball has not evolved
Ben took up pickleball because his tennis was sub par. He was a 2 chip athlete never played 5 chips . He was 696 or so in recruiting not great. You will see Ben and brother drop off as pickleball grows to the level of tennis. Him being the greatest ever is in my opinion to early to call. He came in at the right time. No one trained like they are now because prize money was nothing. Since 2022 pickleball finally became a money game. Money will see more players train and it will be 2027 be a different sport with an increase of depth etc😢
Can’t we just get back to playing tennis?🎾
Seems counter-intuitive to let it continue past......
9:16 Johns says if he gets a counter that gets behind him , then he uses that shovel drop . At least that is how I understand it . I think the video should’ve clarified that it is an option for when the ball gets behind you . I’m not positive I’m correct , but that’s how I interpret it
@@bbbbbb-i2b That makes sense.....