I tried doing the shovel drop during open play today after watching this! It was a gamechanger, I was able to get up to net quicker! I wasn’t consistent as I’m just trying new things and I need to drill. Thanks for this!
If ben were to retire from competition, he will be a top notch coach. I follow his videos and learned a lot from him. His explanation is short and crisp .. straight to the point.
Ben Johns teaching the secret cheat codes for anything involving technique - creating the maximum wrist flex ensures that you always have the same angle every shot. Brilliant.
I think if you visualize how Ben takes dinks off Collin’s right foot and pulls the ball cross court you will get the wrist and paddle position right. . .I think the only piece Josh was missing is that paddle tip facing up when he pulls the ball from behind his body. I would actually teach the Collin poach dink first as it gives a better sense of the contact point and when this shot is valuable spatially. Meaning it’s not a shot to execute when the ball is out in front. Josh was forced to force it a few times as Ben’s fourth didn’t get behind him. Great stuff!
Pure gold. Ben and Collin could write pickleball's _Modernist Cuisine._ They should title it _All Your Kitchens Are Belong To Us,_ and they should pose on the front cover in white BBQ smocks flipping the bird with raw carbon-fiber spatulas. On the back cover, they could have a classic roast piglet with the apple replaced by a perforated plastic shell.
@7:04 LOL this actually doesn't look that much different than when Ben play is in tournaments. So casual and smooth. Also his drives are so close to the net, wow.
Content is getting better and better!! I’m learning so much 🤓! What’s “3 ass cheeks behind” mean? Good stuff, Josh the Natural (& Ben)!! -Mrs. Van-Park
Cool. I like to "max" idea for repeatability. I thought the trend would be more toward topspin. I'd think Rec players would be exposed to speedup body shots with those soft ones.
Collin also does a drop where he strikes the outside of the ball with top spin but finishes his swing on the same side of his head. I wonder if this method is an improvement or if they recommend both ?
There is backspin on the ball based on open paddle face and swing path but you’re not actively trying to add spin, it’s just a consequence of the two items I mentioned.
8:35 I learned you can do what he calls a shovel for low balls in front of your body but how about if I'm two steps in the transition zone and they hit one at my chest. I get caught with that all the time
When hitting this shot, yes you can make contact behind your body. The other options are standard drops when ball is descending or half volley. But this is just one method to accomplish hitting a 5th and getting to the net.
Great question. Ben is referencing my left shoulder staying closed longer as opposed to opening up. The left shoulder is usually the lever that starts opening first and causes someone to come up and out of a shot. By keeping it slowed longer, he wants my left shoulder pointing at the target longer.
@@JoshJPickleball I went to the Joola website and I couldn't exactly tell which ones these two are. Could you please be more specific? And 14 or 16? Thank you!
9:16 Johns says if he gets a counter that gets behind him , then he uses that shovel drop . At least that is how I understand it . I think the video should’ve clarified that it is an option for when the ball gets behind you . I’m not positive I’m correct , but that’s how I interpret it
I saw this and was like no way. So good. Thank you Ben and Josh.
Meee toooo! lol
I tried doing the shovel drop during open play today after watching this! It was a gamechanger, I was able to get up to net quicker! I wasn’t consistent as I’m just trying new things and I need to drill. Thanks for this!
You’re welcome! Love to hear you’re trying it out!
If ben were to retire from competition, he will be a top notch coach. I follow his videos and learned a lot from him. His explanation is short and crisp .. straight to the point.
Ben Johns teaching the secret cheat codes for anything involving technique - creating the maximum wrist flex ensures that you always have the same angle every shot. Brilliant.
Ben's explanations are superb!
I think if you visualize how Ben takes dinks off Collin’s right foot and pulls the ball cross court you will get the wrist and paddle position right. . .I think the only piece Josh was missing is that paddle tip facing up when he pulls the ball from behind his body.
I would actually teach the Collin poach dink first as it gives a better sense of the contact point and when this shot is valuable spatially. Meaning it’s not a shot to execute when the ball is out in front. Josh was forced to force it a few times as Ben’s fourth didn’t get behind him.
Great stuff!
Pure gold. Ben and Collin could write pickleball's _Modernist Cuisine._ They should title it _All Your Kitchens Are Belong To Us,_ and they should pose on the front cover in white BBQ smocks flipping the bird with raw carbon-fiber spatulas. On the back cover, they could have a classic roast piglet with the apple replaced by a perforated plastic shell.
Bro you stoned and munchies?
Great discussion about paddle angle that is rarely mentioned on any PB teaching channel. Thank you both!! 👍👍
@@patrickmcpatrick you’re welcome! Thank you!
Thank you so much for the video. More with Ben!
More with Ben please. Love this ! Thank you Ben! Thank you Josh! 👏
We will try our best!
Thank you for this! Loved the lesson and the more in-depth "why" and "when" that seems to be missing from a lot of "master this shot!" videos.
Wow I'm only 2 mins in and learned so much already. The tip about paddle position when the ball is behind you is SOOO helpful!
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You’re a legend Ram!
A lot of advanced struff in this. Appreciate the showing. I never thought to have a different drop form to compensate for being up too far.
Finally! Someone covers the shovel. Can you follow up with forehand shovel dinks? I really like seeing techniques from the modern pro game.
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Amazing stuff, you're my new favorite pb channel
That means a lot from this dude. I see him commenting on every pb video haha
I predict your channel growing very fast with your excellent content! Keep up the good work Josh.!
Such amazing content with the best! 🙌🏽
Ben is talking about stuff I've never heard with the maximized wrist position combined with the ball getting behind him.
Top notch content.. I never miss a single video. Keep up the good work. There is a lack of high level PB content.
Thank you!!
Great video! Simple and straightforward. Thank you
So many little nuggets in one video! Plus I just enjoyed Josh getting schooled.
After this lesson, he’s about a half an inch of height away from being an alpha male.
@7:04 LOL this actually doesn't look that much different than when Ben play is in tournaments. So casual and smooth. Also his drives are so close to the net, wow.
Great video! Please have more of these sessions with Ben. ❤
Time to start adding this to things I need to practice
Hey Josh! This is amazing content. See you next weekend in Malaysia!
this was so good ... great lesson with great camera position/angles
Glad you appreciate the multiple angels and split screen! Thank you for the feedback!
Great video, love all the paddle angle info, keep up the awesome content 🔥
Impressive. Thank you. Looking forward to more…
Content is getting better and better!! I’m learning so much 🤓! What’s “3 ass cheeks behind” mean? Good stuff, Josh the Natural (& Ben)!! -Mrs. Van-Park
Awesome video. More of these pleaseeeee
Cool. I like to "max" idea for repeatability. I thought the trend would be more toward topspin. I'd think Rec players would be exposed to speedup body shots with those soft ones.
Nice format video.
Great info..thanks
wow great analysis from ben
He is not the best by accident. Guy knows his stuff!
When would you use this over a topspin drop?
Great lesson with the best!
Wow great video!
Josh the man
Collin also does a drop where he strikes the outside of the ball with top spin but finishes his swing on the same side of his head. I wonder if this method is an improvement or if they recommend both ?
Two different shots for different situations. Collin has an incredibly consistent drop.
Deskboy checking in
soooo good keep it up
Can someone answer this for me:
If I’m hitting the shovel drop successfully, is there a slight slice on the ball? Or is it more of a flat/dead shot?
Seemed more dead since Ben mentioned keeping the face not as open but rather more flat to not have it seem like a slice
There is backspin on the ball based on open paddle face and swing path but you’re not actively trying to add spin, it’s just a consequence of the two items I mentioned.
valuable stuff 👌
More please.
how much is a session with ben about to book him right now
8:35 I learned you can do what he calls a shovel for low balls in front of your body but how about if I'm two steps in the transition zone and they hit one at my chest. I get caught with that all the time
I did not follow when will he short hop and it and when he will take it behind him ? Could you please explain
does it mean that the contact point should be behind the body?
When hitting this shot, yes you can make contact behind your body.
The other options are standard drops when ball is descending or half volley. But this is just one method to accomplish hitting a 5th and getting to the net.
@@JoshJPickleball Thanks so much for your reply
@2:40 Ben tells Josh to not open early and stay closed longer. Can someone explain what he means by this please? Thanks!
Great question. Ben is referencing my left shoulder staying closed longer as opposed to opening up.
The left shoulder is usually the lever that starts opening first and causes someone to come up and out of a shot. By keeping it slowed longer, he wants my left shoulder pointing at the target longer.
8:00 bro tried to pull a sneak attack on Ben Johns and got instant retribution...
was this
shot at pb getaways? island?
Yes, beautiful Antigua!
@ ah , thats so nice. time for start saving $$ to meet Ben 😄
Looks like Hawaii!
Holy smokes man. That dead spot before the drops was terrible lol
I've noticed it in tourney play but never understood that it was intentional.
It’s actually funny that every clothing item yall are wearing is opposite from the hat all the way to the shorts 😆
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May I have some more please
So what does exemplary drive form look like 😅😅😅
OK, from the mere mortal gallery, where's my pen and paper?
Let’s start with this when you hit this drive, don’t move so fast to the net. Just stay back and in position for the 5th shot drop.
What about the 6th, 7th, or 8th shot drop. Don't over complicate things
I feel like i should've paid for this
This is great but I don’t think I’m good night to hit drops behind me. I need to make contact in front.
A traditional drop, where the ball is descending is great. Or even the half volley will work too
It’s called 3rd ball and 5th ball in table tennis
Why is josh feigning like he's a clueless 3.5? Let's see a high level lesson
Opposite Outfit Color Day
Hahaha an accident on purpose
my boy those shorts need some rethinking.
Hahaha I can’t say you’re wrong
He’s not using the 3s? Wow
@@brenoraffa2750 Ben uses 3S for doubles and OG Perseus for singles
@@JoshJPickleball hey Josh! Did he explain why he went back to OG Perseus for singles? More control?
@@JoshJPickleball I went to the Joola website and I couldn't exactly tell which ones these two are. Could you please be more specific? And 14 or 16? Thank you!
Seems counter-intuitive to let it continue past......
9:16 Johns says if he gets a counter that gets behind him , then he uses that shovel drop . At least that is how I understand it . I think the video should’ve clarified that it is an option for when the ball gets behind you . I’m not positive I’m correct , but that’s how I interpret it
@@bbbbbb-i2b That makes sense.....