I'm still getting it in manual, but this was a fantastic review that really highlights the benefits of the DCT! You can tell Hyundai definitely has faith in this transmission competing with VW's DSG, and is trying to get people to use it.
Its funny cause i laughed at Velosters all these years and hated them. Then they came out with the N performance pack and fucking love them. Hyundai shut me up real quick, they made this thing awesome for the money, not even that expensive
@@Swagama I can't even imagine how much more fun the package makes the car....I haven't taken mine to the track but I have raced it around mountain back roads and it is a complete go-kart.
I have one in Chalk White and it is just right. The seats , I was expecting Alcantara but it is probably better in the long run with the way it is. Please no sunroof.
My buddy picked up a 2020 PP Veloster N in performance blue. I tried talking him into getting it in black with the red accents or white with red accents, but I guess he made the right choice as it is his. Anyways, although this car is not for me as a daily, it is a absolute animal in the outskirts of the city. We have a lot of twists and turns, corners and hills, and this thing eats them up for snacks. My other friend has a SS 2 Camaro, and what a machine that is also. But for where we live, the PP Veloster N stayed right with the SS. And I didn't think any car could handle like the Camaro does. So fantastic job Hyundai, you killed it with this car. Now I would love one if they would add a more upscale interior. I personally have to have both, performance and softer, slightly more upscale cabin for it to be my daily. As to why I am seriously looking at the Sonata N-Line. I just wish Hyundai would of added a LSD or AWD so that it could handle the power. I'm seeing even the best summer tires are burning out when you punch it.
Drive the manual performance blue Veloster N. Such a fantastic car for the money. The exhaust is fantastic, adjustable, easy drive mode selection and unique looks.
I really wanted to buy one of these but all of the dealers with 100 miles of me had huge mark ups on the price. The cheapest I found was 36 k before taxes and fees. I ended up buying a new Wrx for 27k instead.
I'd take the dual clutch in the Golf R over the manual. Sometimes, they're just better. I kinda wish my Stinger GT2 had a dual clutch, though the 8 speed is fine.
Very nice review. I'll pass on the sunroof though, don't get me started, haha. I really like this car however, I'm waiting for the 400Z to come out before making any decisions.
The Canadian spec comes with heated seats and steering wheel as standard. Alao we have two additional paint colors: cyber grey ($200 CAD) and (Shooting star $1000 CAD). 😏
Those seats look awesome! As a dad to three boys in car seats, the Veloster N is too small but the Elantra seems like it may be perfect for me. I want the manual, though, because the point of me having a hot hatch is for maximum fun, not driving performance.
As a Kia lessee I'll be looking to replace my car in the next year. Because I occasionally do 900+ mile drives (sometimes during the winter), every car I'm currently looking at has heated steering wheel and heated seats. It would be nice to include this car but without those, would be bottom of the list at best.
I would have this car if it had heated seats. I live in the Midwest and it’s cold here. Civic Type R doesn’t have them either. Mustang, GTI, and WRX all have heated seats for same money or even a little less. Hot hatches should be uncompromising daily drivers and it’s better to drive a car with heated seats everyday.
Owner of a 2019 Veloster N with Performance Package, I too would LOVE a heated steering wheel and seats, and an interior option other than all black. 2019 only came in manual, but I can't imagine the DCT being more enjoyable to drive... but I can see the appeal if you deal with a lot of traffic.
i have the 2021 dct..and it's really amazing..yeah the interior is soso..I love the new sport seats with the lighted N logo..wish had more of the performance blue in the interior..I have the performance blue..I hate sunroofs. so don't want one.. I wish we did get the same as the korean market with the faux suede seats and heated sterring and seats.. the canadian models get them..great fun car..and is sooo planted.. No sunroof tho...I hate them..Lol..needs more coloron the dash and door panels..a flat bottom steering wheel would be good too..but overall I love this car.
Only way the car be worth the money if it did come with all the Korean features..to me price is a joke almost 35$ before tax or fees.. 6 months ago could of got one for 28$
@@italibello I got a 2020 AWD STinger GT 3.3TT for 36k. 35k is getting into Golf r and honda type R territory which was the main point of these to be 95% the cars those are for 10k less.And it is getting into stinger 3.3TT for the GT model and the stinger would trounce this car in performance.
The lack of interior color options could actually make me discount this car. Also can we put this engine and tech in the Kia Forte. It is such a better option for many people. It has 4 doors a nicer interior and room for stuff. It would be a great sport compact sedan.
yes, there has always been one. the Golf R. the gold Rès DCT was tremendously better than the manual im a manual afficionado, but i just think that, if the Golf had the honda trans, it would be leaps better but the VW dct is amazing.
Who are you? and what did you do to the real MotoMan? I kid I kid. Imo the Veloster N is the goldilock of the hot hatch segment, Hyundai struck the right balance of performance and looks. Its not as plain as the GTI nor as boyracer-ish as the Type R. I completely agree regarding the trim and color. As much as I like the blue accents inside, they're not enough to brighten up the interior. Maybe tone down the black accents in the rear bumper as well, its a bit too much imho.
More colour options! People on the market for this type of vehicle would be willing to pay a premium for more "unique" colours. Lighter interior colour scheme; shades of grey, beige or even light blue or green (á la Genesis GV80.) Definitely a sunroof.
Wish list: 4 real doors (possibly as another model), nicer interior materials that are comparable to a GTI, more comfortable rear seats, and a 'comfort' mode for the suspension (in addition to the normal and sport settings). I have been cross shopping this with the GTI recently and it is such a difficult choice. The GTI was far more comfortable with a better ride and rear seats that were actually usable (more space, more headroom, better ingress/egress, and a more comfortable seat design) but the Veloster feels significantly quicker and more playful than the GTI. The superior Hyundai warranty is also a factor, but the dealership experience could not have been more different. The VW store was low key, low pressure, and very professional. The Hyundai store made us feel like trash and that the Veloster was as rare and valuable as some of the most sought after Ferraris. The vehicles themselves make for a difficult choice, but if this is the typical Hyundai shopping experience (and who knows what the service would be like) it would be difficult to hand over $34K+.
Sacrificing the involvement and engagement of a manual for the benefits of a dct is a price too high to pay for me. I respect your opinion but having a computer execute shifts for me while I flick a paddle does not sound like a good time. I have no problem trying them out. But living with an automatic day after day sounds so monotonous and disconnected. I appreciate how well this box is engineered but life is too short for two pedals in my view.
@@noelebbert9322 I hear you for sure. Everyone has their preferences, I never understood the traffic reasoning though. Driving stick on my 100km of commuting a day hasn't bothered me for 20 years. It's not that difficult overall but to each their own.
@U-tube-is-gay Fuk-u-tube you are really just arguing semantics and I actually used the word involved and engaged so I'm not even sure who you are addressing. Regardless, there are such things as sweet spots in life. Nobody said that manuals were better than autos here. Just that they were more engaging. For automatic drivers, would driving be as enjoyable without a steering wheel? Just letting the computer steer? A steering wheel is just an input to the car right? I'm really not sure what you are trying to say. It seems like you are maybe responding to someone else because you are not touching on anything I mentioned. Both transmissions have pros and cons. Drive what you want. But don't go crying on the internet about losing the "connection" to your car when they take away your steering wheel and pedals.
@U-tube-is-gay Fuk-u-tube Well if you are making general comments on experiences with manual drivers that's fair. I always try my best to be open minded as possible despite my driving preferences. A good auto or dual clutch has many benefits, but yes, I still feel that it would be more "disconnected", than having a slick manual to row. In my example before imagine a car without a steering wheel that was computer controlled. I think it's fair to say that would feel more disconnected than a regular car with a wheel. It's literally a control/touch point that you are missing. You are physically in less contact with the car through touch. Leading to a loss of connection in a way. I still don't think one transmission is better...it's just what is better for the specific driver. If you require that involvement and engaging sensation the manual is better for you. If you are looking for ease of use, convenience and computer controlled quicker shifts automatic is better for you. The only sad part is manuals are dying off so quickly that there are not many options left for people that crave that experience.
@U-tube-is-gay Fuk-u-tube Yeah I see what you are saying but I feel your perspective on the enjoyment of the mechanics of a manual are a bit skewed. A manual gives you that added dimension to the drive with direct control over the clutch and gears. An automatic is not replacing that feeling just because you can tell it what gear to be in. It's not the same at all. When I'm driving I am the transmission computer, I am executing each shift from beginning to end. In an auto, you are asking the car to change a gear for you and it will do what it is programmed to do. There is not the level of satisfaction there because you didn't do anything really. Driving is about the act of driving including the shifts. You take the shifting away that is lost. You cannot stall an auto by flubbing a shift and many of these autos will upshift for you if you hit the limiter even in manual mode. Again, just because you can ask the auto to do something for you doesn't replace the act of shifting yourself. And having those extra things to do are enjoyable for many many people even if they are not for others. A lot of modern tech has diluted the driving experience as you have discovered with your older car experiences. There can be a sweet spot with a convergence of modern tech and engaging manual controls so it's doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. But flicking a paddle is not executing a shift. Feathering the clutch just right while balancing the throttle right at the engagement point as you roll in to the power is one of the great pleasures in life for many people. To each their own, but having a computer take all that fun away from me is not my idea of a great drive. Manual doesn't feel like a lot of work at all. It feels like the exact right amount of involvement with an enjoyable experience of controlling a vehicle. Why let a computer have all that fun if I'm able to myself?
The real kicker? Canadian market cars get the heated seats and steering wheel. We should be able to get those too. Also dual zone automatic climate control instead of single zone would be great.
Great review. But this makes me want to wait for the Hyundai Elantra N. Same performance with a little more practicality? Can't wait for your full review of production model.
The resale value of the Hyundai lags behind the competition. There have also been reports of engine and transmission problems with past years' models. This may be the most thrilling 'first year owner' vehicle for the money. However, it's the following years one should worry about.
At least it’s a DCT HOWEVER!! Owning a Veloster N with a manual transmission…… I’d rather keep my manual. DCTs are very cool just nooooot for me…. I don’t care tippy top performance….. I want analog manual fun! But hey glad they offer this for those that want a DCT
I can't wait for a comparison between the Veloster N and an Elantra N. All cars have a 2 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder engine nowadays. I guess it won't be long before we will be looking back longingly on such "big and serious engines" when every car weighs 6,000 pounds and has a dual electric motor setup in order to get more than 300 miles of range or else has a 1 liter 3-cylinder. After the time of standard 3-cylinders, there won't be any combustion engines anymore.
This might be my next car purchase. I've never been a huge fan of the way the back end of this car looks but it's great otherwise. Saw one in black the other day and I'm in love. Congrats on your marriage (and Elantra N, I'm guessing) Mike E! Sunroof please!
I have to disagree with you, the N with a manual transmission is much more fun to drive, more engaging and involving for the driver, and cheaper to boot.
Give me one in performance blue! stay one in my town and was surprised with how much the color screams race hertiage. For me, the only hot hatch that we get in the States that I am interested in is veloster N. Yaris Gr would be awesome , buy ya know. Also, i think i would have to go 6 speed.
The market reality for almost every car is that there will be zero availability of a manual transmission on the west coast. Do a cargurus search on a manual Veloster and the nearest ones to, say, LA are in the midwest or east coast.
I really want one of these or at least want to Turo one for a long weekend. Unfortunately I don’t have room in my garage for any more toys. I’m not sure I would DD this car and already have a third car for a weekend toy. Kudos to Kumo on booking this gem of a hot hatch though.
I have driven the new dct and a few older stick ones.. the new seats are much nicer but.. I do not agree the car is still worth the money or even on my list anymore.. the old one with pp could be had for around 28$ this new one is 35$ and impossible to find in a stick.. I’m not paying 33-34$ for a car I could of got a few months ago for 26-28$ even tho it has nicer seats and the dct isn’t bad .. I didn’t get to test ngrin but it was fun.. but not 35$ fun.. that to me puts the car in a whole different price range.. no longer is it close to a si or gli or wrx... now it’s really in type r, sti, etc range.. etc
The DCT car (which has a different tune verified by dyno) is faster than the STI and Civic Type R. With DCT the performance is more than the cars you mentioned. Koreans took the stock DCT Veloster N on track and did consistently better than stock Civic Type Rs. Mind you most journalists got 4.8-5.1s 0-60 in DCT. It’s really a honey of a transmission especially on track with the “track sense mode” on. Even the manual car was really a league above GLI, GTI, and Wrxs. It’s a track ready car stock versus those being just souped up commuters. The ones you test drove probably had 87 octane in it. Almost all Hyundai dealers fill them up with 87 and loses about 20% power. Mine was filled with 87 at the dealer and I had to request a tank of premium. it was a huge difference.
I understand this is a GREAT performance car, BUT....... I would not even consider this car because of that CABIN. Hyundai could easily add some soft touch materials that won't add much weight, they could offer a moon roof like the G70 or Stinger has, leather seats. You have the Bad Azz car, yet when you get in that cabin, now people think you have a 2,000 dollar car. I really thought Hyundai would of addressed this issue by now
Honestly I want this car I love it but I have some issues with Hyundai’s decisions. As someone from the north east not having at least a heated seat is very frustrating. just about every other car in the sport hatch/ sedan segment offers that.. it pissed me off to no end when I found out that asian market version of this car comes with it standard, along with a heated wheel. For a car that will cost you at least 35k especially after taxes and freight it is sorely lacking in bare minimum creature comforts. Why is there no adjustable lumbar support?. And while I’m on price why did Hyundai force all these safety features on that now jack up the price of the car. What happened to options. At the least, why not offer an optional winter package (heated seats and wheel) and make the new safety features a different optional package so the consumer can decide what’s important to them. This car was priced perfectly when it first came out at 29 with the performance pack. Now it sits at 32,250 for manual or 33750 and after freight and taxes your looking at prices between 35 to 37... at that price your getting dangerously close to civic type R or STI money... I don’t want everyone to think I hate the car I love the car but Hyundai needs to think a bit more about their consumers and what’s best for them.
Carlo, while I understand your sentiments as a previous longtime STI owner, the Veloster N is way more fun than an sti when comparing them out of the factory. I've never had this much fun in a stock car besides driving my friends M3. It's weird to say but the driving experience of the STI almost seems dull and outdated compared to the N. Maybe I'm just so use to the driving an STI for 6 years as a daily but the driver feedback, steering, handling, and exhaust are all way better out the gate for the N, not to mention the tech in the Hyundai is 1000x better than what Subaru does and thats just a fact. Not to mention I've seen a few track videos of a base N vs a base STI and the N pulls away pretty much every time with ease. I think it's honestly worth at least 35k. If anything the previous STI was a complete ripoff in price considering a base WRX was actually faster than the old dinosaur STI in a 0-60 and Subaru wanted 8k more for the old fellow.
The hyundai "N" vehicles are a great bang for the buck. But for pure enjoyment of driving in any situation an automatic is NEVER better. Can it be faster.... maybe a tad. Can it get better mpg.... is see the claim often but have never seen it in real world application. And the fun factor of this veloster gets cut in half with an auto. If you can drive manual, you should.
@@frf1670 I have. Although it was a GTI. And like i said, sure its a tad faster. But I am just a manual trans guy. I was bored with the DSG and bout the manual. That turned out to be a horrible mistake because VW uses clutches that are about as durable as wet toilet paper. And the manuals have this nasty habit of dropping the thrust bearing and destroying the engine. (ask me how I know). That being said I have not driven a hyundai DCT, and after driving my cousins veloster N with the 6 speed manual, I have no intention to try an auto. Fast and fun are 2 totally different things.
Love that Hyundai has properly stepped into the hot hatch market. Affordable fun cars are sadly getting too rare these days. Motoman, I'm not sure why people prefer paddles on the columns. I like them on the steering wheel because I can reliably reach them pretty much whenever I need them. When they're on the column and you're making a turn, you then have to reach over way more to hit the paddle. Even watching this video, it's rare for your hands to get so crossed over that column paddles would be advantageous. To add on to that, I have usually downshifted before I reach a corner that requires that much hand movement, so it's not ever a problem. And if I want to upshift, I'm usually going straight, so once again, paddles on the wheel are not a problem. What am I missing here?
I get so tired of people saying this car needs a sunroof. A sunroof ruins it as a track car. Hyundai understands this. Same reason the Type R doesn't have a sunroof. You can't give up two inches of headroom and expect to wear a helmet. I guess if you're five foot six like MotoMan you don't get that. Also, a sunroof adds weight, and adds it in the worst possible spot..., up top. Let me reiterate, this is a f@#&ing track car. If you want a sunroof, perhaps you'd be better off in a Fiat 500...?
If you can man I know this is the veloster N and it's amazing but please let Mike know for the 2022 Elantra N prototype to tell hyundai to keep that interior exactly like how it is in Korea. That that interior and car is what I want over the WRX if it remains that way
I don't get the "paddles should be mounted on the column" thing. Just watching your video shows why the wheel makes more sense. In your canyon drive, your hands at nine and three, and you don't shuffle steer. The paddles are always exactly where you need them. Your right hand will always shift up, and your left, down. If the paddles were on the column, you'd have to move your hand for any mid-corner shift, along with thinking about which hand does what. I know that when I'm autocrossing or tracking my daily driver, I'm glad they're on the wheel. I have a couple of friends who race sports racers, and another who's in the throes of adapting a DCT to his NASA GTS car. Their paddles are wheel mounted for the reasons above.
“The book was better” people are the worst to watch movies with
I do appreciate the Hyuandai sees people want a certain thing, and they try to provide it.
Indeed and not just that but something even beyond that. Carbon fiber and N Performance parts. That’s something outta nowhere.
I really enjoy your reviews!! Keep up the outstanding work!
I love my 22 N so much, no complaints! Only about 5k miles in.
I'm still getting it in manual, but this was a fantastic review that really highlights the benefits of the DCT! You can tell Hyundai definitely has faith in this transmission competing with VW's DSG, and is trying to get people to use it.
Best car reviews out there, hands down.
Its funny cause i laughed at Velosters all these years and hated them. Then they came out with the N performance pack and fucking love them. Hyundai shut me up real quick, they made this thing awesome for the money, not even that expensive
As a driver of the manual N with no performance package, this wishlist is perfect.
How is it? Do you think youd feel any different, driving wise, if you went for the performance package?
@@Swagama I can't even imagine how much more fun the package makes the car....I haven't taken mine to the track but I have raced it around mountain back roads and it is a complete go-kart.
SUNROOF!?!? I’ll try to forget you said it. Why would you add weight to the top of a “sports” car? Correct, you wouldn’t.
Cause it’s not a sports car
And reduce rigidity 👌🏻 no thanks
I have one in Chalk White and it is just right. The seats , I was expecting Alcantara but it is probably better in the long run with the way it is. Please no sunroof.
Is yours a DCT? I have a 2022 Racing Red DCT and I find it is tons of fun when you want that, and a good daily cruiser when traffic sets in 😂
My buddy picked up a 2020 PP Veloster N in performance blue. I tried talking him into getting it in black with the red accents or white with red accents, but I guess he made the right choice as it is his. Anyways, although this car is not for me as a daily, it is a absolute animal in the outskirts of the city. We have a lot of twists and turns, corners and hills, and this thing eats them up for snacks. My other friend has a SS 2 Camaro, and what a machine that is also. But for where we live, the PP Veloster N stayed right with the SS. And I didn't think any car could handle like the Camaro does. So fantastic job Hyundai, you killed it with this car. Now I would love one if they would add a more upscale interior. I personally have to have both, performance and softer, slightly more upscale cabin for it to be my daily. As to why I am seriously looking at the Sonata N-Line. I just wish Hyundai would of added a LSD or AWD so that it could handle the power. I'm seeing even the best summer tires are burning out when you punch it.
take a look at new upcoming Kona N
Drive the manual performance blue Veloster N. Such a fantastic car for the money. The exhaust is fantastic, adjustable, easy drive mode selection and unique looks.
I love your reviews. They are so thorough and just fantastic to watch all the way through
totally agree
I really wanted to buy one of these but all of the dealers with 100 miles of me had huge mark ups on the price. The cheapest I found was 36 k before taxes and fees. I ended up buying a new Wrx for 27k instead.
I'd take the dual clutch in the Golf R over the manual. Sometimes, they're just better. I kinda wish my Stinger GT2 had a dual clutch, though the 8 speed is fine.
Stop pulling options out of the car. They should all have an option that includes heated and ventilated seats and a heated steering wheel.
That is an epic road! Looks like an amazingly fun road to take a test drive. Wondering why there are never other drivers?
Some roads in Malibu are rarely driven on.
Very nice review. I'll pass on the sunroof though, don't get me started, haha. I really like this car however, I'm waiting for the 400Z to come out before making any decisions.
Same boat, I was close to buying this but I want to see the Z.
Excellent Report/ Review
If I didn’t already have this model”in this colour” I would run out an buy it after watching this review. Man I love my 2021 VN in ignite flame. 👍🏾
The Canadian spec comes with heated seats and steering wheel as standard. Alao we have two additional paint colors: cyber grey ($200 CAD) and (Shooting star $1000 CAD). 😏
What kind of color is shooting star?
Hey...a car MOST of us in the shrinking middle class can afford 👍
You can afford almost 40 grand? Car is no longer affordable
Those seats look awesome! As a dad to three boys in car seats, the Veloster N is too small but the Elantra seems like it may be perfect for me. I want the manual, though, because the point of me having a hot hatch is for maximum fun, not driving performance.
Kona N! I wish I was more patient, but I snagged a VN DCT and I can't complain. The Kona N DCT is going to be a hoot though 👌🏻
Keep up the good work Motoman! Nice and relaxed video
Canada gets the heated seats and wheel standard! I have them on my 2019 N.
Lucky! 😅
WHAAAAAAAAT
Guess I might be makin a trip to Canada to buy an Veloster 🤣 jealous
Do you guys get the alcantara as well?
@@franks3001 no still cloth
I luv my N DCT. I even got it in the blue!💙💗
As a Kia lessee I'll be looking to replace my car in the next year. Because I occasionally do 900+ mile drives (sometimes during the winter), every car I'm currently looking at has heated steering wheel and heated seats.
It would be nice to include this car but without those, would be bottom of the list at best.
Just wear gloves man and heated seats are totally overrated.
Just get the Kona N
Like Mark said, get a Kona N 👌🏻
I would like the sunroof to be optional. I love to hear that the paddle shifters are aluminum tho!!
Yeah because thats realy realy important isnt it ffs.
Great review/research. We appreciate and salute you. Keep them coming.
Thank you, Arakel!
I would get this car but at 38 years old, I think I'm took old for something like this. Maybe have to look towards the Sonata N Line.
You’ll regret it, this thing will make you feel 16 again
Just get whatever you like
same, so I am waiting for Kona N to launch.. i think that's better for us at our age
Heated seats, heated steering wheel, sunroof, larger infotainment screen (same as i30N), Alcantara interior
Selected Options available everywhere but the US.
Sunroof ruins it as a track car. Good thing Hyundai understands that. Buy the Turbo Ultimate if you want a sunroof.
Lol 😂🤣 I30N has panoramic sunroof
I would have this car if it had heated seats. I live in the Midwest and it’s cold here. Civic Type R doesn’t have them either. Mustang, GTI, and WRX all have heated seats for same money or even a little less. Hot hatches should be uncompromising daily drivers and it’s better to drive a car with heated seats everyday.
I'm up in the Midwest too. Heated seats would make such a difference!
I talk to my dealership about ordering one 2022 and they said it was canceled.
Owner of a 2019 Veloster N with Performance Package, I too would LOVE a heated steering wheel and seats, and an interior option other than all black. 2019 only came in manual, but I can't imagine the DCT being more enjoyable to drive... but I can see the appeal if you deal with a lot of traffic.
Manual probably more fun but DCT is most definitely way quicker
PP is a must. The dual clutch is fun and a good compromise for a daily. 👌🏻
wish we had this in the uk, currently own a veloster turbo would love to upgrade to one of these
I can feel ur pain... in Portugal we only have the i30N but i prefer the looks of the veloster
@@marcofernandes581 and I prefer the i30N 😂 my VN will just have to do 🤷♂️🤣
Please make the interior more flashy, but don't up the price
i have the 2021 dct..and it's really amazing..yeah the interior is soso..I love the new sport seats with the lighted N logo..wish had more of the performance blue in the interior..I have the performance blue..I hate sunroofs. so don't want one.. I wish we did get the same as the korean market with the faux suede seats and heated sterring and seats.. the canadian models get them..great fun car..and is sooo planted.. No sunroof tho...I hate them..Lol..needs more coloron the dash and door panels..a flat bottom steering wheel would be good too..but overall I love this car.
Only way the car be worth the money if it did come with all the Korean features..to me price is a joke almost 35$ before tax or fees.. 6 months ago could of got one for 28$
@@italibello I got a 2020 AWD STinger GT 3.3TT for 36k. 35k is getting into Golf r and honda type R territory which was the main point of these to be 95% the cars those are for 10k less.And it is getting into stinger 3.3TT for the GT model and the stinger would trounce this car in performance.
@@italibello yeah sure..Buy a used 6spd and you can get that price or less.
The lack of interior color options could actually make me discount this car. Also can we put this engine and tech in the Kia Forte. It is such a better option for many people. It has 4 doors a nicer interior and room for stuff. It would be a great sport compact sedan.
Not a bad idea . . . however, remember that this is coming: ua-cam.com/video/HTVeScU4AP4/v-deo.html
Going through different sites I only see 3 available in California or Nevada. Great distribution. Too bad the I30 N never made it.
VNs have been very scarce. 🥺
yes, there has always been one.
the Golf R. the gold Rès DCT was tremendously better than the manual
im a manual afficionado, but i just think that, if the Golf had the honda trans, it would be leaps better
but the VW dct is amazing.
The goal was to make the N cars appeal to markets that don't go for manual gearbox cars(and because vw did the same)
heated seats & steering wheel is a MUST
I love the car but....did Hyundai get their act together this time and not build engines with a self destruction feature at 100,000 miles?
Who are you? and what did you do to the real MotoMan? I kid I kid.
Imo the Veloster N is the goldilock of the hot hatch segment, Hyundai struck the right balance of performance and looks. Its not as plain as the GTI nor as boyracer-ish as the Type R.
I completely agree regarding the trim and color. As much as I like the blue accents inside, they're not enough to brighten up the interior.
Maybe tone down the black accents in the rear bumper as well, its a bit too much imho.
Pretty sure Motortrend got the 0-60 at 4.8.
Yes, you’re right.
Color interior please
More colour options! People on the market for this type of vehicle would be willing to pay a premium for more "unique" colours.
Lighter interior colour scheme; shades of grey, beige or even light blue or green (á la Genesis GV80.)
Definitely a sunroof.
A medium gray would look nice.
sunroof if it doesn't add anymore weight nor take away from body rigidity.. Did u say it came with the E-diff??
It will add weight.
Do you still get the crackling and pops of the exhaust with this model ? Compared to the manual
Did you watch the episode?
@@MotoManTV yes I sure , enjoyed it , but I couldn’t couldn’t make out the sounds as well just heard more of a consistent sound .
It’s still pops to answer your question.
Wish list: 4 real doors (possibly as another model), nicer interior materials that are comparable to a GTI, more comfortable rear seats, and a 'comfort' mode for the suspension (in addition to the normal and sport settings). I have been cross shopping this with the GTI recently and it is such a difficult choice. The GTI was far more comfortable with a better ride and rear seats that were actually usable (more space, more headroom, better ingress/egress, and a more comfortable seat design) but the Veloster feels significantly quicker and more playful than the GTI. The superior Hyundai warranty is also a factor, but the dealership experience could not have been more different. The VW store was low key, low pressure, and very professional. The Hyundai store made us feel like trash and that the Veloster was as rare and valuable as some of the most sought after Ferraris. The vehicles themselves make for a difficult choice, but if this is the typical Hyundai shopping experience (and who knows what the service would be like) it would be difficult to hand over $34K+.
You lost me at sunroof. 🤷♂️ I'm not against a silver or gunmetal color added. 🤔
Sacrificing the involvement and engagement of a manual for the benefits of a dct is a price too high to pay for me. I respect your opinion but having a computer execute shifts for me while I flick a paddle does not sound like a good time. I have no problem trying them out. But living with an automatic day after day sounds so monotonous and disconnected. I appreciate how well this box is engineered but life is too short for two pedals in my view.
i agree. unless you literally just want something that can handle a fun commute that includes traffic , get the standard.
@@noelebbert9322 I hear you for sure. Everyone has their preferences, I never understood the traffic reasoning though. Driving stick on my 100km of commuting a day hasn't bothered me for 20 years. It's not that difficult overall but to each their own.
@U-tube-is-gay Fuk-u-tube you are really just arguing semantics and I actually used the word involved and engaged so I'm not even sure who you are addressing. Regardless, there are such things as sweet spots in life. Nobody said that manuals were better than autos here. Just that they were more engaging. For automatic drivers, would driving be as enjoyable without a steering wheel? Just letting the computer steer? A steering wheel is just an input to the car right? I'm really not sure what you are trying to say. It seems like you are maybe responding to someone else because you are not touching on anything I mentioned. Both transmissions have pros and cons. Drive what you want. But don't go crying on the internet about losing the "connection" to your car when they take away your steering wheel and pedals.
@U-tube-is-gay Fuk-u-tube Well if you are making general comments on experiences with manual drivers that's fair. I always try my best to be open minded as possible despite my driving preferences. A good auto or dual clutch has many benefits, but yes, I still feel that it would be more "disconnected", than having a slick manual to row. In my example before imagine a car without a steering wheel that was computer controlled. I think it's fair to say that would feel more disconnected than a regular car with a wheel. It's literally a control/touch point that you are missing. You are physically in less contact with the car through touch. Leading to a loss of connection in a way. I still don't think one transmission is better...it's just what is better for the specific driver. If you require that involvement and engaging sensation the manual is better for you. If you are looking for ease of use, convenience and computer controlled quicker shifts automatic is better for you. The only sad part is manuals are dying off so quickly that there are not many options left for people that crave that experience.
@U-tube-is-gay Fuk-u-tube Yeah I see what you are saying but I feel your perspective on the enjoyment of the mechanics of a manual are a bit skewed. A manual gives you that added dimension to the drive with direct control over the clutch and gears. An automatic is not replacing that feeling just because you can tell it what gear to be in. It's not the same at all. When I'm driving I am the transmission computer, I am executing each shift from beginning to end. In an auto, you are asking the car to change a gear for you and it will do what it is programmed to do. There is not the level of satisfaction there because you didn't do anything really. Driving is about the act of driving including the shifts. You take the shifting away that is lost. You cannot stall an auto by flubbing a shift and many of these autos will upshift for you if you hit the limiter even in manual mode. Again, just because you can ask the auto to do something for you doesn't replace the act of shifting yourself. And having those extra things to do are enjoyable for many many people even if they are not for others. A lot of modern tech has diluted the driving experience as you have discovered with your older car experiences. There can be a sweet spot with a convergence of modern tech and engaging manual controls so it's doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. But flicking a paddle is not executing a shift. Feathering the clutch just right while balancing the throttle right at the engagement point as you roll in to the power is one of the great pleasures in life for many people. To each their own, but having a computer take all that fun away from me is not my idea of a great drive. Manual doesn't feel like a lot of work at all. It feels like the exact right amount of involvement with an enjoyable experience of controlling a vehicle. Why let a computer have all that fun if I'm able to myself?
The 5 people that hit the thumbs down. Must drive Hondas or Gti
Nothing wrong w this review
:)
The real kicker? Canadian market cars get the heated seats and steering wheel. We should be able to get those too. Also dual zone automatic climate control instead of single zone would be great.
I have the Elantra GT N Line love it for the practical use. Choose it over the Veloster N. Hyundai should have brought i30N over to the US.
We dont get the veloster here in europe, Kinda of mix feelings
Great review. But this makes me want to wait for the Hyundai Elantra N. Same performance with a little more practicality? Can't wait for your full review of production model.
Practicality as in extra leg room in the rear? Because obviously the veloster has lot cargo room. But yeah, the elantra N should he very good!
The resale value of the Hyundai lags behind the competition. There have also been reports of engine and transmission problems with past years' models. This may be the most thrilling 'first year owner' vehicle for the money. However, it's the following years one should worry about.
I still say manual is better as a drivers car. The is great for daily but driver engagement is what this car was built on
I don’t understand the love for sunroofs. It’s a performance car. That’s one less thing you have to worry about creaking or leaking.
Kinda surprised it weighs so much. My 991.2 is only 3150lbs. with some of the pricey lightweight options.
You just answered your own question.
At least it’s a DCT HOWEVER!! Owning a Veloster N with a manual transmission…… I’d rather keep my manual. DCTs are very cool just nooooot for me…. I don’t care tippy top performance….. I want analog manual fun! But hey glad they offer this for those that want a DCT
I’m confused on why they got rid of the performance package...
Very few folks buying cars without it.
I can't wait for a comparison between the Veloster N and an Elantra N.
All cars have a 2 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder engine nowadays. I guess it won't be long before we will be looking back longingly on such "big and serious engines" when every car weighs 6,000 pounds and has a dual electric motor setup in order to get more than 300 miles of range or else has a 1 liter 3-cylinder. After the time of standard 3-cylinders, there won't be any combustion engines anymore.
Already drove the Elantra N: ua-cam.com/video/HTVeScU4AP4/v-deo.html
yes better with dct8, i have a i30n dct8 this car is transformed , compared with the 275 hp with 6 gear who's was my previous one.
This might be my next car purchase. I've never been a huge fan of the way the back end of this car looks but it's great otherwise. Saw one in black the other day and I'm in love.
Congrats on your marriage (and Elantra N, I'm guessing) Mike E! Sunroof please!
I WISH he switched to an Elantra N . . . The reality is much worse.
@@MotoManTV Oh Really? Just wait and see...
I have the 2016 Turbo on my channel
5:56 hahah n grin smile. accurate but not quite
I have to disagree with you, the N with a manual transmission is much more fun to drive, more engaging and involving for the driver, and cheaper to boot.
Give me one in performance blue! stay one in my town and was surprised with how much the color screams race hertiage. For me, the only hot hatch that we get in the States that I am interested in is veloster N. Yaris Gr would be awesome , buy ya know. Also, i think i would have to go 6 speed.
Good luck finding one like 90% are now dct.. have seen like 5 so far all dct
Race and track cars dont need sun ruff
The market reality for almost every car is that there will be zero availability of a manual transmission on the west coast. Do a cargurus search on a manual Veloster and the nearest ones to, say, LA are in the midwest or east coast.
Interesting point . . . one I will have to lambast Mr E about . . .
I really want one of these or at least want to Turo one for a long weekend. Unfortunately I don’t have room in my garage for any more toys. I’m not sure I would DD this car and already have a third car for a weekend toy. Kudos to Kumo on booking this gem of a hot hatch though.
I agree. I want to buy just about everything motoman trials. It's just the damn insurance.
My N got my garage spot. My fifteen year old Ridgeline is now an outdoor truck.
The matte color that korea gets… I think it’s called twilight
Heated Seats, Steering Wheel, and Pano Roof would make me say yes to this car!
Sunroof for sure nice little rocket with handling compliment you and talking at the time your take those turn 👏
No sunroof for me, but I'd pay a few grand extra for a better interior!
Wait the seats light up ok that’s cool and different, Korea gets all the cool Hyundai,Kia version of cars
I have driven the new dct and a few older stick ones.. the new seats are much nicer but.. I do not agree the car is still worth the money or even on my list anymore.. the old one with pp could be had for around 28$ this new one is 35$ and impossible to find in a stick.. I’m not paying 33-34$ for a car I could of got a few months ago for 26-28$ even tho it has nicer seats and the dct isn’t bad .. I didn’t get to test ngrin but it was fun.. but not 35$ fun.. that to me puts the car in a whole different price range.. no longer is it close to a si or gli or wrx... now it’s really in type r, sti, etc range.. etc
The DCT car (which has a different tune verified by dyno) is faster than the STI and Civic Type R. With DCT the performance is more than the cars you mentioned. Koreans took the stock DCT Veloster N on track and did consistently better than stock Civic Type Rs. Mind you most journalists got 4.8-5.1s 0-60 in DCT. It’s really a honey of a transmission especially on track with the “track sense mode” on. Even the manual car was really a league above GLI, GTI, and Wrxs. It’s a track ready car stock versus those being just souped up commuters. The ones you test drove probably had 87 octane in it. Almost all Hyundai dealers fill them up with 87 and loses about 20% power. Mine was filled with 87 at the dealer and I had to request a tank of premium. it was a huge difference.
I understand this is a GREAT performance car, BUT....... I would not even consider this car because of that CABIN. Hyundai could easily add some soft touch materials that won't add much weight, they could offer a moon roof like the G70 or Stinger has, leather seats. You have the Bad Azz car, yet when you get in that cabin, now people think you have a 2,000 dollar car. I really thought Hyundai would of addressed this issue by now
Totally agree it needs a moonroof imediately. Great review.
Honestly I want this car I love it but I have some issues with Hyundai’s decisions. As someone from the north east not having at least a heated seat is very frustrating. just about every other car in the sport hatch/ sedan segment offers that.. it pissed me off to no end when I found out that asian market version of this car comes with it standard, along with a heated wheel. For a car that will cost you at least 35k especially after taxes and freight it is sorely lacking in bare minimum creature comforts. Why is there no adjustable lumbar support?. And while I’m on price why did Hyundai force all these safety features on that now jack up the price of the car. What happened to options. At the least, why not offer an optional winter package (heated seats and wheel) and make the new safety features a different optional package so the consumer can decide what’s important to them. This car was priced perfectly when it first came out at 29 with the performance pack. Now it sits at 32,250 for manual or 33750 and after freight and taxes your looking at prices between 35 to 37... at that price your getting dangerously close to civic type R or STI money... I don’t want everyone to think I hate the car I love the car but Hyundai needs to think a bit more about their consumers and what’s best for them.
Carlo, while I understand your sentiments as a previous longtime STI owner, the Veloster N is way more fun than an sti when comparing them out of the factory. I've never had this much fun in a stock car besides driving my friends M3. It's weird to say but the driving experience of the STI almost seems dull and outdated compared to the N. Maybe I'm just so use to the driving an STI for 6 years as a daily but the driver feedback, steering, handling, and exhaust are all way better out the gate for the N, not to mention the tech in the Hyundai is 1000x better than what Subaru does and thats just a fact.
Not to mention I've seen a few track videos of a base N vs a base STI and the N pulls away pretty much every time with ease. I think it's honestly worth at least 35k. If anything the previous STI was a complete ripoff in price considering a base WRX was actually faster than the old dinosaur STI in a 0-60 and Subaru wanted 8k more for the old fellow.
Only thing on the wishlist, heated seats.
Wow you sit quite far from the steering wheel 😊
The hyundai "N" vehicles are a great bang for the buck. But for pure enjoyment of driving in any situation an automatic is NEVER better. Can it be faster.... maybe a tad. Can it get better mpg.... is see the claim often but have never seen it in real world application. And the fun factor of this veloster gets cut in half with an auto. If you can drive manual, you should.
@@frf1670 I have. Although it was a GTI. And like i said, sure its a tad faster. But I am just a manual trans guy. I was bored with the DSG and bout the manual. That turned out to be a horrible mistake because VW uses clutches that are about as durable as wet toilet paper. And the manuals have this nasty habit of dropping the thrust bearing and destroying the engine. (ask me how I know). That being said I have not driven a hyundai DCT, and after driving my cousins veloster N with the 6 speed manual, I have no intention to try an auto. Fast and fun are 2 totally different things.
The exhaust can snort crack...crackle... okay man😂
The stuff that all cars want to know lol
sunroof would be amazing!!!
Different wheel and tire options would be nice. Otherwise 💯
Please. The stock is amazing. See my Verloster on my channel
So if I heard the review correct, this car for some spirited fair weather driving but Civic Type R for daily?
5:53 N Grin Smile? hahaha
@@frf1670 Yeah I know, I was making fun of his mistake :)
Give us the sun roof!
$34k for a car that will depreciate faster than your love life after marriage.
As opposed to what?
All vehicles do that.
This over a CTR.... maybe
Love that Hyundai has properly stepped into the hot hatch market. Affordable fun cars are sadly getting too rare these days.
Motoman, I'm not sure why people prefer paddles on the columns. I like them on the steering wheel because I can reliably reach them pretty much whenever I need them. When they're on the column and you're making a turn, you then have to reach over way more to hit the paddle. Even watching this video, it's rare for your hands to get so crossed over that column paddles would be advantageous. To add on to that, I have usually downshifted before I reach a corner that requires that much hand movement, so it's not ever a problem. And if I want to upshift, I'm usually going straight, so once again, paddles on the wheel are not a problem.
What am I missing here?
I get so tired of people saying this car needs a sunroof. A sunroof ruins it as a track car. Hyundai understands this. Same reason the Type R doesn't have a sunroof. You can't give up two inches of headroom and expect to wear a helmet. I guess if you're five foot six like MotoMan you don't get that. Also, a sunroof adds weight, and adds it in the worst possible spot..., up top. Let me reiterate, this is a f@#&ing track car. If you want a sunroof, perhaps you'd be better off in a Fiat 500...?
I still have the AW11 (w/ a pop-out sunroof!) and a slightly modified ND Club that that the wifey drives daily...
I enjoyed my 2020 elantra sport, that thing must be quick!
If you can man I know this is the veloster N and it's amazing but please let Mike know for the 2022 Elantra N prototype to tell hyundai to keep that interior exactly like how it is in Korea. That that interior and car is what I want over the WRX if it remains that way
So hold on you mean to tell me my 2013 Hyundai Veloster Turbo gets better gas mileage than a 2021 lmao
you’re barking up the wrong tree if you’re looking at an N to have great gas mileage.
I don't get the "paddles should be mounted on the column" thing. Just watching your video shows why the wheel makes more sense. In your canyon drive, your hands at nine and three, and you don't shuffle steer. The paddles are always exactly where you need them. Your right hand will always shift up, and your left, down. If the paddles were on the column, you'd have to move your hand for any mid-corner shift, along with thinking about which hand does what.
I know that when I'm autocrossing or tracking my daily driver, I'm glad they're on the wheel. I have a couple of friends who race sports racers, and another who's in the throes of adapting a DCT to his NASA GTS car. Their paddles are wheel mounted for the reasons above.