Since ordering a SG tshirt I've been buzzing my head, screaming at minivans, and making thinly veiled comments about putting people in my trunk. I've never been happier.
I've owned a 2019 GTI rabbit edition manual and up until today, a GLI 35th anniversary edition manual . Yesterday I took the N DCT out for a 1 1/2 hour test drive (by myself of course). I then went straight to the VW dealer and drove a GTI Autobahn DSG for an hour. I wanted to compare the two dual clutches. I had never driven the VW DSG 7 speed, I drove the 6-speed DSG a few years ago, thought it was good but still opted for a manual. I am a VW fan, have owned several, thought the GTI was the best for the money in the segment. It is hard to put into words how superior the N is compared to a GTI DSG. The GTI seems sluggish, slow and soft and unrefined by comparison. I was kind of shocked once I had the proper perspective. The N is far more refined than the 7 gen GTI, yes I said it, more refined, much more. The 8th gen GTI will be out in a few months, imo there is no way it will catch up to the 2021 DCT N, not a chance. The N is fast, really fast, each upshift rockets you forward and it just keeps pulling. The regular automatic mode is the best I've ever driven, it shifts like you're using the paddles. I traded my GLI and bought an N today.
I just got a Kona N and the DCT is as good as the ones in 100k cars.I think in a tech manual it matches the shift times of the dct or dsg in a 2020 ferrari model and shifts as good as an RS5 I have driven.Its a new wet clutch and having owned and driven many cars--hyundais has come a long way.I also had owned a 2020 stinger GT 3.3TT for a while and that ZF 8 speed auto was also fantastic--better then the ones in chargers and benzes.it also auto rev matches when you take turns in it without using the brake and does so with the precision and smoothness of a high end watch.Iv only had it a few days and it is my favorite car i have had.
once again the Veloster N makes a value proposition. now if they could get the reliability down pat this would be a surefire winner. I feel the warranty is to circumvent that, while they work on longevity.
The old Renault 5 Turbo is what I call a fun car to drive. Large bay windows great visibility. Lots of sunlight. This one you can't see out the back. Is all dark inside. Tiny windows is like a prison. Engineering is fantastic, and performance is great. But do I want to be in it? No. Great car if all I want to do is win races, but I want to enjoy driving, not sit in a prison.
Having owned both I can say that the Mini is a) about the same weight but with b) way way less horsepower. The handling on the N is also way better than the Mini. The Mini interior has a better quality feel.
t’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it. Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si
long Opinion... from a , unexpected, Proud owner of A Hyundai 2020 Veloster Turbo Ultimate with Pinkslip and all. I traded in my Impreza 14' (base bleh) thinking of getting 2020 Accord Trbo sport(to big, not special), WRX eh expensive and still cheapy, VW(nahh), I cant drive manual all day to lack of limbs haha. This means no Type R even SI!(xpensive asf). Then iI found the Velosters 'new, clean/sharp/purty trim' ignoring the fugly prior version from 2013-2016, . U MUST at least get the turbo trim, it looks and comes with more features and amazing warranty i use much. I get 28.8 Mpg, after 6.8k miles (trip) from average to rippin it ;) but with sport mode/high revs easy 36-40mpg. The car handles so freely and floats hitting corners and it smart/fast. I work for a wholesale++ Auction Tech company working out of my velost. with a large virtual lift tons of tools, jump boxes, equipment. I love the surprising sized trunk and 3 door design to get my large lift rear third door. while working. The compact size makes it easy to get around crowded places. Sound slaps stock too and great infotaiment. Making this my first very car I plan on driving all the way past warranty expires and or getting the 2021-22 Velost Turb N
Koreans are serious now. Kia and Hyundai / Genesis are pumping out great products. 2022 Kia Carnival will be a big hit just as Telluride was and still is one of the most popular vehicle being sold. And Veloster N will lead the performance / fun segment.
@@MattPSU02 I know all about it. I am Korean after all and these news were big. I admit they have had crazy mentality of cutting cost at the wrong places. But trust me they have moved on from the past. There is a reason why road and track named veloster N their car of the year. I'm not saying it's the best car for all but it's a masterpiece for its purpose.
@@chanhyung88 I hope that the new Smartstream 2.5 and 2.5T are far, far more reliable that the 2.0T and 2.4 Theta II engines. That's all I can say. (I own both.)
It’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it.
da*** that looks hot as a type-r. hyundai catching very big times. def need to test drive a i30n 2021 europe model. def the fastback for me (just for the looks, the veloster and regular i30n hatch are just worse looking - all 3 the same car btw )
Hyundai makes good vehicles overall. I drove a Tucson for 13 years and it served me very well. It’s still on the road. Pretty good for it to make it through 15 Canadian winters with no rust. Hyundai is famous for their use of cheap interior plastic and poor sound systems. Otherwise I like Hyundai.
@@dragospahontu They deliberately engineered it to a price point, a business decision I don't really take issue with. It'll be interesting to see what the aftermarket comes up with for it. If they actually sell a lot of these that'll make it more likely that performance enhancements for it will be developed.
@@dragospahontu No, they did what they did ON PURPOSE! Those of us that bought one, don't want to spend more for a nice interior that we don't look at. We don't want to spend more for a stereo that we turn off. This is a $32,500 (what I paid) hot hatch that can go from the showroom to the track without any modifications... and you can have a blast.
I recently drove the N on one of my favorite back roads. I currently drive mk7 GTI and I can say that I wish I hadn't driven the N..lol 🤦♂️ I know there's a lot of haters out there, but the truth is, the N absolutely crushes the GTI when it comes to handling, driving feel and fun. Great video!!
Let people hate. Honda for a long time had a stigma as well. Road and Track named the N performance car of the year in 2020. So regardless of what people think of the brand the Veloster N is doing something right. Thanks to Albert Biermann. Yes, it comes with compromise but the car is an absolute blast to drive and is backed by a good warranty and three years free maintenance. (That's what my dealer gave me)
This was one of the best car reviews I have ever seen, you obviously drive these cars to way higher levels than the average car review and have answered way more of my questions.
Firmly agree. Just discovered this channel a couple weeks ago and every vid is what I would deliver if I put my very best foot forward. This is a near as damnit flawless channel with information delivered by a clearly seasoned, sensible, passionate, and intelligent dude. I'm a recovering "car guy" who has turned a wrench far too many times and I basically align with 100-percent of the info in these vids that I can relate to, so I absolutely trust the stuff that's news to me
Been watching this channel for the last couple of years, and I truly cannot believe how in-depth and intelligent this program has become. By Far The Best Automotive Review Channel on UA-cam....In fact, so good, that my daughter just purchased her first brand new car, a 2022 Hyundai Elantra, based on Mark and Jack's opinions! Thanks Guys!!!
I've had DCT since January. Six track days and 50+ autocross runs later I've had zero issues. Coolant and Oil have never gotten too hot. Brake performance has been great. I still have half of my pads left which is just nuts. The interior is cheap, don't care, don't have time to look at it. Seats are great for the track, so-so for the street, very thin. My biggest gripe is the tires. Wish they had gone with Michelin PS4S. A stiffer sway bar from Whiteline fixes the understeer to a large degree. While I love flicking through the gears myself on track, I've found that TrackSense mode is faster than me.
@@gwcrispi ok, what coolant temperature is "too hot" ? Pardon my ignorance but as far as I know, the need stays centre and if it passes there then there's a problem either with your thermostat, pump or fan.
@@robbylebotha Nah, in the Performance options you get a digital readout of several things down to the exact degree. I have Coolant Temp and Oil Temp on that screen when I am racing. I know what "normal" is from driving. Coolant around 200 and Oil in the low 200's to 250. So I know if they're going up. The needle indicator near the Tach is bogus. The pointer is just below 9 o'clock (normal) as soon as the temp gets to 140. From 140 to 200 the needle doesn't move any more. I posted on this on the Veloster N forum.
@Yirlani calm down bro, a lot of cars nowadays feel more like a video game. People like you need to lighten the fuck yo and stop trying to suck the fun out of everything. Let the man have as he stated in his comment, his own opinion. You say grow up but I can guarantee you’re some teenager trying to act all big on the internet 😂 but good one bud. Lighten up and don’t take everything so hard, it’s not a dick. It was an observation.
@Yirlani how the hell is enjoying an overboost feature parallel to your theory of men lol. I am genuinely shocked that people like you function well enough to use the internet.
Was so incredibly impressed by this car when I had it a few months ago. I just love its vibe and its exuberance. The fact that it exists is a positive for enthusiasts. Excellent review as always. 👍🏻
Wow, you guys seriously need 1M+ subs. The insight and knowledge you guys go into as far as driving dynamics is unmatched. The closest I can think is the Best Motoring videos from Japan but that's in a different language and a lot of their videos don't have English subs. And I love how you guys are able to talk about things seriously (too many car reviewers act like cartoon characters 100% of the time). The level of detail you guys go into (with the driving experience to back it up) is ridiculous in a good way. Thank you!
I agree. I've been watching the SG videos for so long now I've grown accustomed to it and almost expect it but go watch nearly all other channels then you truly appreciate how great these videos are and how much work these guys put into them.
Feel it's more important that every subscriber they do have watch the videos and allow the ads to play or support on patreon. No point in having a million subs but not having useful revenues.
This video and the 2021 rework made me pull the trigger. just got back from my local dealer and got a Veloster N in performance blue with the DCT. Thanks SavageGeese.
@Scott Myers Also if you stream music from a phone, check to see if your phone has an adjustable EQ. I've had a few lease cars with truly terrible radios but can fine tune the audio on my phone to get some surprisingly good results. My Fusion has a "Premium 210 watt 11 speaker" audio system and it's mostly garbage UNLESS I'm streaming audio from my smartphone.
@Scott Myers been thinking about doing that with mine down the road. I've got an annoying rattle from the passenger side speaker that's there at pretty much any volume above 6-7. For what it is, I can't complain. I enjoy it. It's about on par with the Bose system that was in my Speed3.
My son just got a 2020 N Manual (almost new). I’m old, but love racing cars. I never owned one. We rented several cars to 1) teach clutch, and 2) compare speed, handling, etc. C7 Z51, Polaris Singshot, 370z, WRX, Miata RF. I loved the Corvette. More power than I’m able to control on a road, but great and scary- if you got $$. 370z had good acceleration, and good handling, but not like a Miata (also decade old design). The Miata was just too damn slow! Polaris was a blast but not super fast and impractical for daily driving. WRX is a good car, but I hated the turbo lag. Then there’s the Veloster N. Never drove one until we test drove and purchased it. Funnest, best handling on back roads at frightening, perfectly planted balls-out speeds. It was the R&T 2020 Performance Car of the Year! It beat out some of the best cars out there! I could care less about the interior. It’s functional and comfortable. I don’t need to spend $90k+ for leather and electric, heated seats and steering wheels or Bose speakers. It kicks ass and is an absolute rocket that you aren’t afraid of sliding off the road. Great review guys!! Thanks 🙏
All the praise you offered the DCT is exactly where Subaru went wrong. I applaud any manufafturer that keeps 3 pedals, but Subaru has made a critical error not developing a DCT for the WRX/STi. The VN is seriously the performance bargain of the century, it's like a cheat code IRL.
I don't know how you reviewed this car and didn't mention that beautiful exhaust! The sound is amazing! How do they make this 4 banger sound so great but the twin turbo V6 Stinger sounds like a vacuum cleaner??
@@savagegeese the DCT has a quieter exhaust than the Manual variant. Hyundai used different designs for the mufflers. Lots of DCT owners in Korea are switching over to the manual axleback. All this needs is a resonator delete to open up the sound.
@@dougrobinson8602 My mother went and bought a brand new Hyundai Palisade and within a month the power window motor blew and they gave her the hardest time about fixing it for free even having bought the warranty which covered it.
I always cheer a little when I see a new SG review pop up that is significantly longer than 10 minutes. When it's nearing or over 30 minutes I'm nearing the ecstasy feeling.
Please! Can you do a true enthusiastic review of a Mitsubishi Mirage in manual? I am lacking your point of view on this car. If you don't do it I will seriously consider unsubscribing. Please!
Own a 2021 DCT. Always loved hot hatches owned several GTI’s, 2 mazdaspeed3, civic and a AMG GLA 45. This car is my favorite, performance, fun, exhaust is fantastic and the ability to adjust everything easily is amazing for $33,500. Oh and 0-60 in 4.8 ain’t bad either.
@@Guy_on_UA-cam I bought mine used. Got lucky, it has 1600 miles on it and got it for $31,998. I actually ended up selling it for more when I traded it in for a Kona N recently. It’s a strange market. But with the warranty Hyundai has I recommend buying used for less than dealer mark ups on new ones.
@@Guy_on_UA-cam just bought one for MSRP in Gresham, Oregon. Paid just over $33K for a manual version. They wanted $2k over MSRP, but some hard negotiating got them to bring down the price.
@@drumflip1253 I also just got a kona N.I had a 2020 Stinger and it also shot up in value.I own my kona N and was able to pocket 10k.I actually wanted an AMG Gla 45 when i got my Stinger--but at over 60k i just decided to get a stinger.The set DCT in the Kona is one of the best trannies on any car under 70k--I think in a tech manual it is shifting as fast as one in a 2020 ferrari.
The better GTI would have been the i30N (Elantra GT N), but we aren't getting it at this point. The US market is so obsessed with crap that doesn't matter, so we get the Veloster. I've got the normal Elantra GT as my daily beater, and I love the thing. The N version reminds me of the Mazdaspeed3.
Three time GTI owner here. But I've also owned two KIA Sorentos so I don't have an unfounded prejudice against Korean vehicles. When the Veloster N was introduced I thought it was an appealing track toy but little else. The upgrades including what is apparently a vastly improved Hyundai DCT have reduced the distance between the Veloster N and the GTI but I'd still stick with my GTI. Reasons? It's inside where I spend my time interacting with a vehicle and the interior features and trim of my Autobahn GTI are far more appealing than the Veloster. The "N" still looks and feels like an econobox from the driver's seat. Secondly, the external appearance of the "N" doesn't quite match the inflated Hot Wheels looks of the Civic Type R but it comes close. And I'm not 12 years old. Finally, among the features of the GTI I value most is its versatility in terms of its mission. When needed the generous and highly usable cargo space of the GTI comes close to or exceeds that of the Veloster and even subcompact SUVs its size. And while the unique 3rd door of the Veloster makes the rear seat more accessible than would be the case with a 2 door coupe, the GTI does it one better with four doors. I'm impressed by the specs of the Veloster's engine but I've long ago learned that (a) VW's engine specs for its remarkable EA888 engine are typically understated and (b) major increases in both HP and torque can be had with a 30 minute Stage I tune of the GTI's ECU. (Contrary to a common misunderstanding such a tune does not invalidate the GTI's warranty.) All in all, Mr. Biermann and his associates continue to do an outstanding job on Hyundai and KIA vehicles. But I wouldn't give up my GTI for a Veloster N.
Im happy with my gti purchased but i had a chance to drive the dct veloster N and it is real fun. Especially the exhaust noise. What swayed me to the gti was the comfort and interior. It’s my daily so it had to hit all of those points
I have this car in PB and love it!!! One of the most fun cars I have ever driven.. I think Hyundai did a great job with the performance and fun factor of this car for 35K..well that's the price when I bought it in January 2021..
I love my GTI but I understand when comparing these 2 cars, in sacrifice of speed you gain a little luxury. You can always tune your GTI a bit to catch up ;) I feel a bit more grown up in a GTI.
The GTI will be MUCH faster than an N once tuned and we are talking about the MK7, now that the MK8 clubsport GTI with 300 HP and a DSG came out, I would never look at the N. Imagine Stage 1 on that clubsport GTI MK8, I would have everything from comfort to practicality to smoking any N on the street.
@@najminmalcusis15 Uh...until the N is similarly modified. There are already 400whp with built internal cars prowling the US streets and highways as we speak. Lap3 is one company doing these mods as is Sxth element for milder (~350whp) mods.
@@Booshka823 here we go again. LOL. Lets teach you a little about tuning. The 400whp Veolester Ns are all on METH while the MK7 will do it on pump. The fastest they could run with that 400WHP N was still in the 12 SECONDS, while the MK7 just broke RECORD FOR 10 seconds on STOCK BLOCK. The N in NO WAY can tune like the MK7 will in any form while the N should in reality be compared to the MK8. The MK8 GTI with a single piggy back is doing the same timing 100-200 of an M3. SPEAK TO ANY TUNER, the way the Ns ENGINE is designed it will NEVER be able to gain as much power as the MK7 platform let alone the MK8 platform The second tuning is involved the N will be out of the picture Btw the MK7 platform that came out 8 years ago was doing 400whp by the 2nd year. The sad truth is the N is still far behind. I don't understand why people try to argue this, The N was meant for corners, and will ruin any MK7 around the track, it wasn't meant to be for straight line racing, from the gearing ratios to the way the engine puts down power. This is what your N made with 50% METH 480BHP Veloster N 2.0T - LAP3 GTX2867 Turbo Upgrade The World's most powerful N is back again with 411ps/51.82kgm (405whp/375ft-lbs) on dynojet after 15-20% drivetrain loss. We addressed the stock 2.0T GDI fueling limitation with a WMI system. The customer brought boost juice(50% methanol content) for tuning, and we finalized the mapping just over 400WHP all the way to the redline with peak boost of 24psi. We unlocked the redline to 7200RPM for a broader power band! ( 50% METH) LOL. Look at ANY GTI with those SAME MODS and it will be over 500HP AND 440WHP. APR STAGE 2 for mk7 GTI WITHOUT METH OR TURBO UPGRADE gives you 330WHP. Keep trying and crying
If Hyundai keeps improving their vehicles at the current rate, it’s not out of the question that I may own one in the future. It’s still a hard pill to swallow for a guy who grew up when the Hyundai Pony was introduced. Keep it up Hyundai.
It’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it. Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si
As much as I would always go for the manual for cars like the Veloster N, the DCT is a huge improvement for Hyundai/Kia especially compared to the past DCTs they had in their cars And also they put the right setup for the gear lever like how it should have been in the beginning especially how a manual gear works and how it follows the momentum of the car Porsche also got it right with the PDK too
Can anyone imagine a veloster N "R" with the corporate 2.5T tuneup for performance, awd, with a hardcore adjustable suspension and a much better selection of materials for the interior? This would definitely would place the veloster with the golf R and Honda type R
They could possibly drop in the 2.5T for not too much more, but AWD would take major modifications, a hardcore suspension would have few takers and be too expensive, and a big upgrade of the interior would be tricky. The Veloster still has to sell in regular form as a cheap hatch, so the normal interior can't be upgraded significantly, and having to swap out major parts of the doors of dash for soft-touch materials would cost too much. The Civic already had a nice interior, so the Type R could get away with a few cosmetic upgrades.
@@markmiller3279 There would be wayyyy more than a 'few' takers if the car was AWD. Also it wouldn't take 'major modifications.' The fuel tank needs changed to open up a full driveshaft space but there is nothing else in the way. Next, Hyundai just needs to collaborate with Mitsubishi again -- the current N engine is a cousin of the 4B11 in the Mitsubishi Evo X. Frankly with not a lot of changes the 4B11 could probably be put in the Veloster N -- giving it one of the best handling and performing AWD systems available. Do that and sell the car for 40k -- lines of people would be there to drop their wallets.
“There’s so much harmonic distortion, there’s such a lack of clarity and it’s very bass heavy” SG unwittingly describing the music industry since the mid 90s. Or maybe wittingly and he’s what we all suspected all along. A cultural icon that we never asked for but desperately need.
Sadly, in this age of electronically produced music, a lot of people don’t know what music is supposed to sound like. Some will think it sounds good just because it has enough bass to rattle the windows.
@@darylaarons6625 agreed. Heavy bass for home theater movies?-fantastic. For actual music? Uhhh...no except when used to further disguise some of the crap and redundancy that’s being churned out as music these days.
*Mainstream* music has sucked for about that long, I agree. I thought this was a phenomenon of the last twelve years specifically, but I was playing a Burnout game with licensed music in it from the mid '00s, and every track but two was bland, studio garbage. With time, the actual decent to good stuff that the labels ignore will be more commonly associated with this era. My money's on Dirty Loops, Twin Shadow, and Caleb Hawley.
Sucks you guys in the U.S. have to deal with stupid Markups as the Type R is reasonably priced at it's MSRP, here in the UK we have don't usually have to deal with this BS with the Type R but however with the GR Yaris the supercar dealers that get their hands on one mark them up, as a Brit I know how Mark ups can be irritating
type R because it's larger and in many areas "better", but I wonder if it would be as fun around town considering the veloster has way better sound. i could also just modify the type r for better sound if i wanted
@@Harry-uq9qd nah, I'm a hard-core Type R fan but making it louder will sound worse, the K20C1 is an amazing engine but doesn't sound that great so it's best to keep it quiet
Now Hyundai is getting respect. When a GTi and Type R are in the conversation, that means this is not a garbage rattle box we knew from not such a distant time. Hyundai/Kia have worked hard to put themselves on the map as cars you want. And yeah, I really want this car. Purity of form, value, the Type R is wonderful, but the styling is too much. I am not 18 anymore, I was and am a Subaru fan too, but geez Hyundai has gotten on my radar. Also the Genesis G70 was/is a car I can be happy with when the jacked up station wagon craze leaves my system. I love what you guys do. Your production values are always tops. I don't know your camera system and resources, but my oh my I have never seen better. Truly professional. Truly well done.
@@ThunderGoatz Progress takes time, plus with the purchasing habits changing all the time, 200kms may not be a factor. Plus, there is always leasing so you give it back before the Gremlins happen. Time will get Hyundai and Kia where they need to be. Toyota status? I don't know, but at least they are going in the right direction.
@@xray111xxx Hyundai warranty is one of the best right now. People used to say the same thing about Toyotas years ago that they are junk and will fall apart. My last Elantra had over 350000km on it and ran like it was brand new.
@@ThunderGoatz Oh, right, that old, old line. Hyundais are modern cars built pretty much like any others. There is no reason whatsoever to think they'll fall apart. Cars don't do that anymore.
It’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing fwd” in their own right, they’re straight murdering Volkswagen.
Oddly enough they weren't when it first came out. The title of the old video mentioned "not great, not terrible..." and his review pretty much said it wasn't that good of a car. Did Hyundai leave a horse head in his bed? ua-cam.com/video/DZ376LuY2gs/v-deo.html
@@markmiller3279 There are NOT dramatic improvements over the 2019-2020 N. Other than the DCT-stuff (like N-grin), optional seats and the base car now being the old performance package everything is exactly the same. The horsehead reference comes from the old Sicilian mafia way of convincing someone to agree with them by leaving a horsehead in your bed...if you continued to "disagree" with them your head was next. Since the first review was "meh" and this review is kind of "wow" I wondered what Hyundai did to change SGs mind.
@@Booshka823 I think he just felt he was a bit unfair the first time around. In context of what other cars have done lately, he feels he was too harsh.
Yeah but Hyundai dealers got in big trouble not honoring the warranty on the Theta II engines, which this car has. There was a huge lawsuit. So lately, dealers have been making a point to honor the warranty.
@@KP-xi4bj That was almost a decade ago. Hyundais are much better built now. You should google Honda transmission problems from the mid 2000s while you're at it. You're stuck in 2010 land if you're using old news as your source.
@@roostertailspice2482It's laughable you're comparing Honda transmission problems to Hyundais, Kias and Geneses catching fire. It shows just how braindead Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fanboys/-girls are. LMFAO Like I said Google "Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fire recalls". They have been recalling cars for fires since 2012. Here's an example: "Hyundai issued safety recalls (NHTSA IDs: 21V-160 and 21V-161) this month for Model Year 2015-2016 Hyundai Genesis, 2017-2020 Genesis G80 and 2019-2021 Genesis G70 vehicles. The anti-lock brake system modules could malfunction internally and cause an electrical short over time, potentially resulting in an engine compartment fire while parked or driving." Source: "Important Hyundai & Genesis Recall in the U.S" by Jose Antonio López (Korean Car Blog, May 14, 2021)
@@KP-xi4bj Did you just tried to write a paragraph to explain something simple? Nice try you pretentious slob. You seriously think Hyundai is the only company that has parts that might catch on fire? Well that's tough for a blind fanboy like you because Honda does too. They had to recall 1.5 million vehicles for window switches that might catch on fire and cheaply made driveshafts that corrode too quickly. Even Toyota had problems with their hybrid batteries back in the day. Nice try but you're delusional.
@@roostertailspice2482 Wow! You Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fanboys/-girls are so desperate picking on recalls for cars that are almost 20 years old. LMFAO FYI, Hyunda/Kia/Genesis have been recalling cars for vehicle fires every year since 2012. That's right, brand new 2021 already recalled for vehicle fires. I don't see Honda/Toyota issuing recalls every year for vehicle fires, do you? But carry on denying and keep grasping those straws. LMFAO
It's because of this video that I got the Red 2021 Veloster N DCT! Thank you SG you guys have done such a great job with this vid that it convinced me to actually by this car! No regrets thank you thank you!
Are you guys gonna do a video that does more in-depth coverage of Jack's GTI? I was hoping this would be a full on comparison. I'm biased as a GTI owner, but would love slightly more coverage - especially after Jack's comment on IG that "I like the GTI less the more I drive it".
That's a good way of putting it I think. I had a base GTI DSG for a couple years, and it was a great car, but perfectly described by the old adage "jack of all trades, master of none". It's a great daily, but not anywhere near as exciting as a real sports car. Everything is light and but with very little feeling. Thing is, I test drove the Veloster N manual when I was selling the GTI, and I expected the veloster to be more edgy and exciting, but it felt very similar, aside from manual vs auto. And the veloster interior frankly makes the GTI feel like an Audi.
@@spacepxl it’s funny you say that, cause I thought the exact same. The Veloster was a little more exciting but I felt the diff, brakes, and trans were similar to the GTI. Mine is a 19 SE w/Experience, and the DCC makes the GTI ride amazingly well, the stereo is phenomenal, and it’s just so refined. I’m 22 years old and even felt the trade off for 10% more veloster excitement wasn’t worth it at all with such a bad interior, weird looking car, and stuff ride.
It’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it. Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si
Golf r and Type R civics are 43 to 47k--I just got a Kona N for 35k.You can get a 3.3TT stinger in that price range and a stinger would trounce a golf r or Type R--and I know cause i owned a 2020 AWD Stinger GT 3.3TT and dragged against them both and it was no contest.
I was interrupted in the middle of your video by my mom yelling down into the basement "Johnny, your Arby's is getting cold, come up here and get it while it's still hot". Can life get any better?
It has the horribly unreliable 2.0T Theta II motor. Why in God's name would you gamble your hard earned money on this engine? Trust me, they are a disaster. Ask me how I know. Worse still, this car isn't included in the huge engine recall/court settlement, meaning that you won't get a free engine repair once the 100k mile powertrain warranty expires (like most of us got). Run. Run away!!
Just bought an Ioniq and I love it. Used to do valet and I loved the Veloster those things are so much fun, no doubt in my mind Hyundai/Kia make the best cars for the money these days. They have excellent warranties as well.
some niggling problems on my kia forte gt though, barely used.. i dunno if its just mine or wider quality issues. Had a honda civic sport touring (which I didnt love) never had a single problem
Great review. I drive a manual, but I appreciate Hyundai's efforts in developing a DCT in-house that improves performance and makes the car more accessible to more people. I also find it interesting that folks consider a $34k hot hatch "affordable". With a household median income of $61k a year in the US, I feel like we're setting expectations a little high and encouraging people to buy cars they can't afford by labeling it as "affordable". Believe me when I say I've been on car forums where someone's asked if it's a bad decision to trade in a car that they still owe $12k with no equity for a brand NEW "affordable" $28k car.
Great review from these guys, as always! Have driven both the Type R and the updated Veloster N. My two cents: Type R had staggering amounts of turn in, precision, road feel. On the track or if you want to log best numbers, that's the bomb. But the Veloster N DCT was even more fun to drive. The power was smoother, more predictable. The steering and road feel are sublime. Between these cars, it's a matter of preference, they're both incredibly good and both more fun than cars costing A LOT more that I've driven. The GTI is a great option if you don't mind numbing the driving experience a bit and need this to be your DD commuter car. The 2015 + and 2022 WRX is a great option if you need AWD and want total practicality and bang for the buck with in a very competent package. I drove a WRX with Michilin Pilots and was blown away by how fast it could move through familiar corners. The WRX and it will hold up against a lot of competition. But the most fun to drive of all of these overall, to me, was the Veloster N. Only bummer is that there aren't more of these kinds of cars around. All of them VERY capable and entertaining. Having driven all the cars mentioned, hope this helps with decision between them. They're all great, just different flavors.
In 2020 I got a Stinger GT 3.3TT AWD instead of a Type R--the Type R had to be revved to get any speed while my Stinger felt like a NA V8 Muscle car.I also wanted a decent stock drag car to goto public drag and the stinger did not dissapoint.I aslo put geomet cross drilled and vented rotors on all 4s for road courses but the Stinger skyrocketed in price and i sold it--had a Mazda Cx-30 turbo for the last 6 months and just traded it dead even--had to pay 1k in taxes--and got a brand new 0 mile red kona N.I was actually able to pocket a little over 10k (after all is said and done) and although i do not have the stinger--I own my Kona N and have an extra 10k in my car bank account.The Kona N also has a lot of torque down low and it revs more then the stinger--but not like a Type R.I also will prob never get a car that sits low again now that they make sport CUV/small SUV--my stingers door sills and front skirts were so low that they were nicked and dinged--and even noticeably so after public drag night with rubber bouncing off the low skirts and door.
I love what the Civic does but, the current generation looks like a toddler drew it and what the dealers are asking for it is an insult to anyone's intelligence. VW underperforms. So, this is a way better option for the current generation. I still don't understand why Subaru stopped offering the WRX in a hatch. Oh well.
For some reason Honda dealers have a history of really gouging you on hot selling models. I remember trying to buy a Prelude back in the day. The dealer said they would let me know when the next one came in. They called me to come down to the dealership, where myself and seven other people were invited to bid on the car. I was the only person to walk out. Fast forward to 2020. My son was trying to by a Civic type R. Found out that Honda is trying to keep the dealers under control. So the dealer sells the car to a friendly person that resells it way over MSRP. The same thing with C8 Corvettes.
t’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it. Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si
I was to comment that the GTI wasn't the only FWD automatic hot hatch, then I remembered you don't get the Renault Megane RS or the BMW 128ti. Or even the latest Focus ST.
As a Type R owner I look at this and go hmm, zero leg room in the back and not as fast. Granted they are cheaper but I literally bought my Type R because I needed a bit of a 4 door car for my family and SUVs were 40k for a nice one that would just be a boring point A to B car. These have been out what, a year or two?? I live in the Orlando area and I have only seen 1 of these on the road...that's it!! It seems as though no one is buying them. It's cool and all but it needs to hit that 300 mark and stay cheaper than the Type R to really bring some buyers to the table. At this rate many guys would rather pay more for a Type R than a Veloster N. The Type R is demanding such a high resale value as well that Hyundai will never reach.
There's surprisingly a good amount of leg room in the back but yes the type r is bigger with more space... These sold well as a manual and the dct will only bring more buyers.
You are correct, they aren't the same. i30s are commonplace (now) but Velosters are available in UK, I just don't see many of them around. Similar to i30 but entirely different model line.
It’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it. Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si
I don't need the radio in my i30 Fastbavk N either. The exhaust is my entertainment and if i need the radio it's "good enough". Really looking forward testing the DCT version. Plastics are "cheap" but good bit i didn't buy this car for the interior either just as i didn't buy my Mustang GT back then for it's interior. Both cars are special in their own respect, one offers fun driving for a 4 popper, the other one has a V8.
then your a idiot...or u just like replacing your engine every 40-60,000kms....because hyundai cant make a 4cyl turbo to save there life....and this is coming from a hyundai tech of 12 years who replaces a 4cyl turbo 2 times a week...dont bark shit if you dont know shit.... not to mention the GTI would eat this thing for breakfast without even hitting 3rd gear
Get the veloster while you can. It's one of the last few of its kind and absolutely the best in its segment for driving. I cannot believe that these things are dying but I hold out that it stays around just a bit longer.
It’s really solid at jail speeds. And if u need to stop from high speed to a stop it’s damn amazing. I have 2020 with the performance pack.. mostly FBO and a tune. It’s amazing. Even stock .. i love it as much. They really could have easily made this thing 300 bhp safely from the factory
Since ordering a SG tshirt I've been buzzing my head, screaming at minivans, and making thinly veiled comments about putting people in my trunk. I've never been happier.
never buy a car soon to be discontinued.
@@asdewq9683 Might be more of a reason to buy one. People always want what they can't have. Some will pay a premium when they do.
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I've owned a 2019 GTI rabbit edition manual and up until today, a GLI 35th anniversary edition manual . Yesterday I took the N DCT out for a 1 1/2 hour test drive (by myself of course). I then went straight to the VW dealer and drove a GTI Autobahn DSG for an hour. I wanted to compare the two dual clutches. I had never driven the VW DSG 7 speed, I drove the 6-speed DSG a few years ago, thought it was good but still opted for a manual. I am a VW fan, have owned several, thought the GTI was the best for the money in the segment. It is hard to put into words how superior the N is compared to a GTI DSG. The GTI seems sluggish, slow and soft and unrefined by comparison. I was kind of shocked once I had the proper perspective. The N is far more refined than the 7 gen GTI, yes I said it, more refined, much more. The 8th gen GTI will be out in a few months, imo there is no way it will catch up to the 2021 DCT N, not a chance. The N is fast, really fast, each upshift rockets you forward and it just keeps pulling. The regular automatic mode is the best I've ever driven, it shifts like you're using the paddles. I traded my GLI and bought an N today.
I just got a Kona N and the DCT is as good as the ones in 100k cars.I think in a tech manual it matches the shift times of the dct or dsg in a 2020 ferrari model and shifts as good as an RS5 I have driven.Its a new wet clutch and having owned and driven many cars--hyundais has come a long way.I also had owned a 2020 stinger GT 3.3TT for a while and that ZF 8 speed auto was also fantastic--better then the ones in chargers and benzes.it also auto rev matches when you take turns in it without using the brake and does so with the precision and smoothness of a high end watch.Iv only had it a few days and it is my favorite car i have had.
i have been dying for you to do a review on the DCT version since you're one of the few outlets that would have an honest unbiased opinion! thanks.
have a Kona N spec coming in mid February this excellent revue was encouraging and informative I am 73 yes old and need the kona platform
Intro music got me dancing in the shower!
This product seems amazing.
once again the Veloster N makes a value proposition. now if they could get the reliability down pat this would be a surefire winner. I feel the warranty is to circumvent that, while they work on longevity.
Mark and Jack, I turned in my 2015 genesis sedan 5.0 ultimate for this VN DCT, and I’m in love.
I have a '14 Velsoter Turbo and I want this new N model so damn bad!
The old Renault 5 Turbo is what I call a fun car to drive. Large bay windows great visibility. Lots of sunlight. This one you can't see out the back. Is all dark inside. Tiny windows is like a prison.
Engineering is fantastic, and performance is great. But do I want to be in it? No. Great car if all I want to do is win races, but I want to enjoy driving, not sit in a prison.
Excellent review guys. Very comprehensive. Thanks!
I wanna know how this compares to a Mini Cooper S. Mini's are good track/autocross cars and are a blast on the street.
Having owned both I can say that the Mini is a) about the same weight but with b) way way less horsepower. The handling on the N is also way better than the Mini.
The Mini interior has a better quality feel.
t’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it.
Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si
long Opinion... from a , unexpected, Proud owner of A Hyundai 2020 Veloster Turbo Ultimate with Pinkslip and all. I traded in my Impreza 14' (base bleh) thinking of getting 2020 Accord Trbo sport(to big, not special), WRX eh expensive and still cheapy, VW(nahh), I cant drive manual all day to lack of limbs haha. This means no Type R even SI!(xpensive asf). Then iI found the Velosters 'new, clean/sharp/purty trim' ignoring the fugly prior version from 2013-2016, .
U MUST at least get the turbo trim, it looks and comes with more features and amazing warranty i use much. I get 28.8 Mpg, after 6.8k miles (trip) from average to rippin it ;) but with sport mode/high revs easy 36-40mpg. The car handles so freely and floats hitting corners and it smart/fast.
I work for a wholesale++ Auction Tech company working out of my velost. with a large virtual lift tons of tools, jump boxes, equipment. I love the surprising sized trunk and 3 door design to get my large lift rear third door. while working. The compact size makes it easy to get around crowded places. Sound slaps stock too and great infotaiment. Making this my first very car I plan on driving all the way past warranty expires and or getting the 2021-22 Velost Turb N
Great vid ✅
Koreans are serious now. Kia and Hyundai / Genesis are pumping out great products. 2022 Kia Carnival will be a big hit just as Telluride was and still is one of the most popular vehicle being sold. And Veloster N will lead the performance / fun segment.
Get real. This car has the notoriously unreliable 2.0T Theta II engine in it. Yes, the same engine that cost Hyundai and Kia over $3B in losses.
@@MattPSU02 I know all about it. I am Korean after all and these news were big. I admit they have had crazy mentality of cutting cost at the wrong places. But trust me they have moved on from the past. There is a reason why road and track named veloster N their car of the year. I'm not saying it's the best car for all but it's a masterpiece for its purpose.
@@chanhyung88 I hope that the new Smartstream 2.5 and 2.5T are far, far more reliable that the 2.0T and 2.4 Theta II engines. That's all I can say. (I own both.)
It’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it.
Korean pride 🇰🇷
da*** that looks hot as a type-r. hyundai catching very big times. def need to test drive a i30n 2021 europe model. def the fastback for me (just for the looks, the veloster and regular i30n hatch are just worse looking - all 3 the same car btw )
Hyundai makes good vehicles overall. I drove a Tucson for 13 years and it served me very well. It’s still on the road. Pretty good for it to make it through 15 Canadian winters with no rust. Hyundai is famous for their use of cheap interior plastic and poor sound systems. Otherwise I like Hyundai.
The return of the door close cam
How i missed you
I can genuinely appreciate what Hyundai is trying to do with this car.
I wish more people did
Cause I feel like people never truly appreciate the cars we have until it's too late and they're old.
@@grantapalooza998 the Hyundai feels half assed, they could've done so much more with this thing.
I always root for the Veloster.
@@dragospahontu They deliberately engineered it to a price point, a business decision I don't really take issue with. It'll be interesting to see what the aftermarket comes up with for it. If they actually sell a lot of these that'll make it more likely that performance enhancements for it will be developed.
@@dragospahontu No, they did what they did ON PURPOSE! Those of us that bought one, don't want to spend more for a nice interior that we don't look at. We don't want to spend more for a stereo that we turn off. This is a $32,500 (what I paid) hot hatch that can go from the showroom to the track without any modifications... and you can have a blast.
I recently drove the N on one of my favorite back roads. I currently drive mk7 GTI and I can say that I wish I hadn't driven the N..lol 🤦♂️
I know there's a lot of haters out there, but the truth is, the N absolutely crushes the GTI when it comes to handling, driving feel and fun.
Great video!!
Let people hate. Honda for a long time had a stigma as well. Road and Track named the N performance car of the year in 2020. So regardless of what people think of the brand the Veloster N is doing something right. Thanks to Albert Biermann.
Yes, it comes with compromise but the car is an absolute blast to drive and is backed by a good warranty and three years free maintenance. (That's what my dealer gave me)
I watched this video and then 4 hours later had to call my doctor. He said, you've been watching Savage Geese again haven't you?
This was one of the best car reviews I have ever seen, you obviously drive these cars to way higher levels than the average car review and have answered way more of my questions.
Firmly agree. Just discovered this channel a couple weeks ago and every vid is what I would deliver if I put my very best foot forward. This is a near as damnit flawless channel with information delivered by a clearly seasoned, sensible, passionate, and intelligent dude. I'm a recovering "car guy" who has turned a wrench far too many times and I basically align with 100-percent of the info in these vids that I can relate to, so I absolutely trust the stuff that's news to me
Been watching this channel for the last couple of years, and I truly cannot believe how in-depth and intelligent this program has become. By Far The Best Automotive Review Channel on UA-cam....In fact, so good, that my daughter just purchased her first brand new car, a 2022 Hyundai Elantra, based on Mark and Jack's opinions! Thanks Guys!!!
@@glenniz1 I’m sorry to hear eye got that cheap cars
I've had DCT since January. Six track days and 50+ autocross runs later I've had zero issues. Coolant and Oil have never gotten too hot. Brake performance has been great. I still have half of my pads left which is just nuts. The interior is cheap, don't care, don't have time to look at it. Seats are great for the track, so-so for the street, very thin. My biggest gripe is the tires. Wish they had gone with Michelin PS4S. A stiffer sway bar from Whiteline fixes the understeer to a large degree. While I love flicking through the gears myself on track, I've found that TrackSense mode is faster than me.
Doesn't coolant always get hot, in every car? Do you mean engine overheating. Just curious, I've never heard anyone say coolant got hot.
@@robbylebotha "too hot"
@@gwcrispi ok, what coolant temperature is "too hot" ? Pardon my ignorance but as far as I know, the need stays centre and if it passes there then there's a problem either with your thermostat, pump or fan.
@@robbylebotha Nah, in the Performance options you get a digital readout of several things down to the exact degree. I have Coolant Temp and Oil Temp on that screen when I am racing. I know what "normal" is from driving. Coolant around 200 and Oil in the low 200's to 250. So I know if they're going up. The needle indicator near the Tach is bogus. The pointer is just below 9 o'clock (normal) as soon as the temp gets to 140. From 140 to 200 the needle doesn't move any more. I posted on this on the Veloster N forum.
@@gwcrispi ok now I get you, thank you mate
Last time I was this early SavageGeese was still living with his mom and spending every paycheck on upgrading his supercharged BRZ GT86.
the boost feature they added to make it feel more like a video game is pretty fun imo.
@Yirlani you need to enjoy life more, have some fun
@Yirlani calm down bro, a lot of cars nowadays feel more like a video game. People like you need to lighten the fuck yo and stop trying to suck the fun out of everything. Let the man have as he stated in his comment, his own opinion. You say grow up but I can guarantee you’re some teenager trying to act all big on the internet 😂 but good one bud. Lighten up and don’t take everything so hard, it’s not a dick. It was an observation.
@Yirlani lol how miserable must your life be?
@Yirlani how the hell is enjoying an overboost feature parallel to your theory of men lol. I am genuinely shocked that people like you function well enough to use the internet.
@Yirlani I just threw up in my mouth after reading your comment
Lol the Gangnam style on the Apple CarPlay was too comedic. Y’all are too good lol
Was so incredibly impressed by this car when I had it a few months ago. I just love its vibe and its exuberance. The fact that it exists is a positive for enthusiasts. Excellent review as always. 👍🏻
All hail the mighty Jax!
Wow, you guys seriously need 1M+ subs. The insight and knowledge you guys go into as far as driving dynamics is unmatched. The closest I can think is the Best Motoring videos from Japan but that's in a different language and a lot of their videos don't have English subs.
And I love how you guys are able to talk about things seriously (too many car reviewers act like cartoon characters 100% of the time). The level of detail you guys go into (with the driving experience to back it up) is ridiculous in a good way. Thank you!
SG is heavily slept on.
I agree. I've been watching the SG videos for so long now I've grown accustomed to it and almost expect it but go watch nearly all other channels then you truly appreciate how great these videos are and how much work these guys put into them.
Feel it's more important that every subscriber they do have watch the videos and allow the ads to play or support on patreon. No point in having a million subs but not having useful revenues.
@@topperharley8322 I second this, the ads provide a small form of revenue to support the hard work.
You should check out JDM Masters. They’ve got some good in depth looks at some classic JDM cars, in English too.
This video and the 2021 rework made me pull the trigger. just got back from my local dealer and got a Veloster N in performance blue with the DCT. Thanks SavageGeese.
d u like it?
Did u?
did?
I have a 2021 in PB also..love it..so much fun to drive
Thank christ theres a channel that talks technical changes instead of saying "feels better"
Subscribing to savagegeese has left me with a feeling of uncontrollable power I've previously only felt after activating my almonds.
Does it come with pre saved Gangnam Style or you ordered that from dealership?
that audio description XD
@Scott Myers Also if you stream music from a phone, check to see if your phone has an adjustable EQ. I've had a few lease cars with truly terrible radios but can fine tune the audio on my phone to get some surprisingly good results. My Fusion has a "Premium 210 watt 11 speaker" audio system and it's mostly garbage UNLESS I'm streaming audio from my smartphone.
@Scott Myers been thinking about doing that with mine down the road. I've got an annoying rattle from the passenger side speaker that's there at pretty much any volume above 6-7. For what it is, I can't complain. I enjoy it. It's about on par with the Bose system that was in my Speed3.
This has Albert Biermanns handy work all over it.
My son just got a 2020 N Manual (almost new). I’m old, but love racing cars. I never owned one. We rented several cars to 1) teach clutch, and 2) compare speed, handling, etc. C7 Z51, Polaris Singshot, 370z, WRX, Miata RF.
I loved the Corvette. More power than I’m able to control on a road, but great and scary- if you got $$. 370z had good acceleration, and good handling, but not like a Miata (also decade old design). The Miata was just too damn slow! Polaris was a blast but not super fast and impractical for daily driving. WRX is a good car, but I hated the turbo lag. Then there’s the Veloster N. Never drove one until we test drove and purchased it. Funnest, best handling on back roads at frightening, perfectly planted balls-out speeds. It was the R&T 2020 Performance Car of the Year! It beat out some of the best cars out there!
I could care less about the interior. It’s functional and comfortable. I don’t need to spend $90k+ for leather and electric, heated seats and steering wheels or Bose speakers. It kicks ass and is an absolute rocket that you aren’t afraid of sliding off the road. Great review guys!! Thanks 🙏
All the praise you offered the DCT is exactly where Subaru went wrong. I applaud any manufafturer that keeps 3 pedals, but Subaru has made a critical error not developing a DCT for the WRX/STi. The VN is seriously the performance bargain of the century, it's like a cheat code IRL.
People who want a nicer interior can soon get the new Elantra N, already looking forward to your review.
I don't know how you reviewed this car and didn't mention that beautiful exhaust! The sound is amazing! How do they make this 4 banger sound so great but the twin turbo V6 Stinger sounds like a vacuum cleaner??
We covered it more on original video. In person it sounds more tin can like unfortunately
@@savagegeese the DCT has a quieter exhaust than the Manual variant. Hyundai used different designs for the mufflers. Lots of DCT owners in Korea are switching over to the manual axleback. All this needs is a resonator delete to open up the sound.
Cool car, I really hope it sells!
Hyundai is difficult to sell
@@dragospahontu Mostly because of the dealer experience. Lots of horror stories out there.
@@dougrobinson8602 My mother went and bought a brand new Hyundai Palisade and within a month the power window motor blew and they gave her the hardest time about fixing it for free even having bought the warranty which covered it.
@@dougrobinson8602 ikr
@@tjk9263 classic Kia/Hyundai
Is is just me or does that paint finish look really not good on camera?
I thought the same thing. The entire car looked like it had a bad case of orange peel.
Its not great in person either. Lacks depth.
@@savagegeese makes sense for a car built to such an aggressive price point
I have driven one of these. It looks like an economy rental car and drives like a BMW. 😁
I own one..and owned a bimmer before.. that pretty much sums it up..lol....
I met jack the other day and he had the red veloster, wanted to say cool car until I saw who it was😂
When the geese videos are 15+ mins we are in for a treat.
They can make 20 min reviews a thing. Every car they review becomes so interesting to watch and to listen about.
@@benoit.b9337 Oh, even the hour long ones. It's just excellent.
I always cheer a little when I see a new SG review pop up that is significantly longer than 10 minutes. When it's nearing or over 30 minutes I'm nearing the ecstasy feeling.
@@fuhrerhosty It honestly makes my day
meh, I don't care about a "cheap" interior, if it means no glossy black anywhere
Just give me padded armrests!
As long as cheap looking doesn’t also mean it rattles a lot.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 I had a 2013 Veloster Turbo that I sold a month ago with basically the same interior. It rattles like crazy.
I love my N DCT. Its just perfect for me. I love your video! Best Decision I’ve ever made
Yup I just got a Blue ‘21 DCT, I absolutely love it.
Please! Can you do a true enthusiastic review of a Mitsubishi Mirage in manual? I am lacking your point of view on this car. If you don't do it I will seriously consider unsubscribing. Please!
I didnt wait long enough, I got one last monday. Great review. Car has been amazing
Own a 2021 DCT. Always loved hot hatches owned several GTI’s, 2 mazdaspeed3, civic and a AMG GLA 45. This car is my favorite, performance, fun, exhaust is fantastic and the ability to adjust everything easily is amazing for $33,500. Oh and 0-60 in 4.8 ain’t bad either.
@@Guy_on_UA-cam I bought mine used. Got lucky, it has 1600 miles on it and got it for $31,998. I actually ended up selling it for more when I traded it in for a Kona N recently. It’s a strange market. But with the warranty Hyundai has I recommend buying used for less than dealer mark ups on new ones.
@@drumflip1253 crazy enough, the dealers are marking up the used ones too. At least here in California.
@@BikesandBriar I’m in SoCal and in vista they have a used one from $37,800 pretty crazy it’s more than a new one.
@@Guy_on_UA-cam just bought one for MSRP in Gresham, Oregon. Paid just over $33K for a manual version. They wanted $2k over MSRP, but some hard negotiating got them to bring down the price.
@@drumflip1253 I also just got a kona N.I had a 2020 Stinger and it also shot up in value.I own my kona N and was able to pocket 10k.I actually wanted an AMG Gla 45 when i got my Stinger--but at over 60k i just decided to get a stinger.The set DCT in the Kona is one of the best trannies on any car under 70k--I think in a tech manual it is shifting as fast as one in a 2020 ferrari.
The better GTI would have been the i30N (Elantra GT N), but we aren't getting it at this point. The US market is so obsessed with crap that doesn't matter, so we get the Veloster. I've got the normal Elantra GT as my daily beater, and I love the thing. The N version reminds me of the Mazdaspeed3.
I guarantee Hyundai would have sold way more i30N’s in North America in place of the veloster. That’s what kept me from getting an N.
The i30N sportback is SO damn sexy! I would gladly trade this for that.
We also have an ordinary Elantra GT, and respect its abilities as an everyday car. The N would be a fun extension if that practicality.
Three time GTI owner here. But I've also owned two KIA Sorentos so I don't have an unfounded prejudice against Korean vehicles. When the Veloster N was introduced I thought it was an appealing track toy but little else. The upgrades including what is apparently a vastly improved Hyundai DCT have reduced the distance between the Veloster N and the GTI but I'd still stick with my GTI.
Reasons? It's inside where I spend my time interacting with a vehicle and the interior features and trim of my Autobahn GTI are far more appealing than the Veloster. The "N" still looks and feels like an econobox from the driver's seat. Secondly, the external appearance of the "N" doesn't quite match the inflated Hot Wheels looks of the Civic Type R but it comes close. And I'm not 12 years old. Finally, among the features of the GTI I value most is its versatility in terms of its mission. When needed the generous and highly usable cargo space of the GTI comes close to or exceeds that of the Veloster and even subcompact SUVs its size. And while the unique 3rd door of the Veloster makes the rear seat more accessible than would be the case with a 2 door coupe, the GTI does it one better with four doors.
I'm impressed by the specs of the Veloster's engine but I've long ago learned that (a) VW's engine specs for its remarkable EA888 engine are typically understated and (b) major increases in both HP and torque can be had with a 30 minute Stage I tune of the GTI's ECU. (Contrary to a common misunderstanding such a tune does not invalidate the GTI's warranty.)
All in all, Mr. Biermann and his associates continue to do an outstanding job on Hyundai and KIA vehicles. But I wouldn't give up my GTI for a Veloster N.
hence, GTI is more of all arounder for sure
Don't forget all the carbon buildup and generally frail mechanicals and excessive plastics in the VW engines.
@@MyerShift7 Old wives' tales and internet nonsense. Over the course of owning 3 GTI's I've never experienced ANY of those issues.
Im happy with my gti purchased but i had a chance to drive the dct veloster N and it is real fun. Especially the exhaust noise. What swayed me to the gti was the comfort and interior. It’s my daily so it had to hit all of those points
Why didn’t you get the 2022 WRX?
Nice to see that the croplands are greening up. SG really needs to add some reviews of John Deere tractors.
I'm a manual guy all the way. I have a Manual Veloster R Spec and I absolutely love it... But DAMN this DCT looks amazing!!
I have this car in PB and love it!!! One of the most fun cars I have ever driven.. I think Hyundai did a great job with the performance and fun factor of this car for 35K..well that's the price when I bought it in January 2021..
I own a PB as well and completely agree!
I love my GTI but I understand when comparing these 2 cars, in sacrifice of speed you gain a little luxury. You can always tune your GTI a bit to catch up ;) I feel a bit more grown up in a GTI.
GTI is much more luxurious and practical. It's not even close.
Yes, two people can sit in comfort in the back of the GTI.
The GTI will be MUCH faster than an N once tuned and we are talking about the MK7, now that the MK8 clubsport GTI with 300 HP and a DSG came out, I would never look at the N. Imagine Stage 1 on that clubsport GTI MK8, I would have everything from comfort to practicality to smoking any N on the street.
@@najminmalcusis15 Uh...until the N is similarly modified. There are already 400whp with built internal cars prowling the US streets and highways as we speak. Lap3 is one company doing these mods as is Sxth element for milder (~350whp) mods.
@@Booshka823 here we go again. LOL. Lets teach you a little about tuning. The 400whp Veolester Ns are all on METH while the MK7 will do it on pump. The fastest they could run with that 400WHP N was still in the 12 SECONDS, while the MK7 just broke RECORD FOR 10 seconds on STOCK BLOCK. The N in NO WAY can tune like the MK7 will in any form while the N should in reality be compared to the MK8. The MK8 GTI with a single piggy back is doing the same timing 100-200 of an M3. SPEAK TO ANY TUNER, the way the Ns ENGINE is designed it will NEVER be able to gain as much power as the MK7 platform let alone the MK8 platform
The second tuning is involved the N will be out of the picture Btw the MK7 platform that came out 8 years ago was doing 400whp by the 2nd year. The sad truth is the N is still far behind.
I don't understand why people try to argue this, The N was meant for corners, and will ruin any MK7 around the track, it wasn't meant to be for straight line racing, from the gearing ratios to the way the engine puts down power.
This is what your N made with 50% METH 480BHP Veloster N 2.0T - LAP3 GTX2867 Turbo Upgrade
The World's most powerful N is back again with 411ps/51.82kgm (405whp/375ft-lbs) on dynojet after 15-20% drivetrain loss. We addressed the stock 2.0T GDI fueling limitation with a WMI system. The customer brought boost juice(50% methanol content) for tuning, and we finalized the mapping just over 400WHP all the way to the redline with peak boost of 24psi. We unlocked the redline to 7200RPM for a broader power band! ( 50% METH) LOL.
Look at ANY GTI with those SAME MODS and it will be over 500HP AND 440WHP. APR STAGE 2 for mk7 GTI WITHOUT METH OR TURBO UPGRADE gives you 330WHP. Keep trying and crying
“I am Quinn” Lolol is that Slip Angle’s Quinn? 😂😂😂😂😂
If Hyundai keeps improving their vehicles at the current rate, it’s not out of the question that I may own one in the future. It’s still a hard pill to swallow for a guy who grew up when the Hyundai Pony was introduced. Keep it up Hyundai.
It’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it.
Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si
Remember how Samsung and LG wiped out Japanese electronic giants?
As much as I would always go for the manual for cars like the Veloster N, the DCT is a huge improvement for Hyundai/Kia especially compared to the past DCTs they had in their cars
And also they put the right setup for the gear lever like how it should have been in the beginning especially how a manual gear works and how it follows the momentum of the car Porsche also got it right with the PDK too
same man, every car ive owned has been manual, this would change that cause i definitely get the dual clutch its just too good to not get imo
@@Mr.Thermistor7228 did you get this car? I got another manual five months ago. 2022 WRX Premium
It feels like a lifetime ago, where you stood in your poorly lit garage calling in Hyundai Molester 😉
Just for that, you can park sideways across the home garage.
Nothing is a better GTI
Mr. Goose how many flat brim hats can the trunk fit?
Not many with all those cases of Vape Juice in there.
About 350
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Can anyone imagine a veloster N "R" with the corporate 2.5T tuneup for performance, awd, with a hardcore adjustable suspension and a much better selection of materials for the interior?
This would definitely would place the veloster with the golf R and Honda type R
...and be $50-60K easily.
They could possibly drop in the 2.5T for not too much more, but AWD would take major modifications, a hardcore suspension would have few takers and be too expensive, and a big upgrade of the interior would be tricky. The Veloster still has to sell in regular form as a cheap hatch, so the normal interior can't be upgraded significantly, and having to swap out major parts of the doors of dash for soft-touch materials would cost too much. The Civic already had a nice interior, so the Type R could get away with a few cosmetic upgrades.
@@markmiller3279 There would be wayyyy more than a 'few' takers if the car was AWD.
Also it wouldn't take 'major modifications.' The fuel tank needs changed to open up a full driveshaft space but there is nothing else in the way.
Next, Hyundai just needs to collaborate with Mitsubishi again -- the current N engine is a cousin of the 4B11 in the Mitsubishi Evo X. Frankly with not a lot of changes the 4B11 could probably be put in the Veloster N -- giving it one of the best handling and performing AWD systems available.
Do that and sell the car for 40k -- lines of people would be there to drop their wallets.
“There’s so much harmonic distortion, there’s such a lack of clarity and it’s very bass heavy”
SG unwittingly describing the music industry since the mid 90s. Or maybe wittingly and he’s what we all suspected all along. A cultural icon that we never asked for but desperately need.
hey man I like to hear my auto-tune distortion free ;-)
Sadly, in this age of electronically produced music, a lot of people don’t know what music is supposed to sound like. Some will think it sounds good just because it has enough bass to rattle the windows.
@@darylaarons6625 agreed. Heavy bass for home theater movies?-fantastic. For actual music? Uhhh...no except when used to further disguise some of the crap and redundancy that’s being churned out as music these days.
*Mainstream* music has sucked for about that long, I agree. I thought this was a phenomenon of the last twelve years specifically, but I was playing a Burnout game with licensed music in it from the mid '00s, and every track but two was bland, studio garbage.
With time, the actual decent to good stuff that the labels ignore will be more commonly associated with this era. My money's on Dirty Loops, Twin Shadow, and Caleb Hawley.
Assuming you can get both for MSRP, would you rather have this Veloster N ($33750) or a Civic Type R ($37,895)?
The type-r is the far superior car aside from the looks
If it’s like a $10,000 difference, then the N makes a great case. $4,000 of upgrades won’t make it close to the Type R.
Sucks you guys in the U.S. have to deal with stupid Markups as the Type R is reasonably priced at it's MSRP, here in the UK we have don't usually have to deal with this BS with the Type R but however with the GR Yaris the supercar dealers that get their hands on one mark them up, as a Brit I know how Mark ups can be irritating
type R because it's larger and in many areas "better", but I wonder if it would be as fun around town considering the veloster has way better sound. i could also just modify the type r for better sound if i wanted
@@Harry-uq9qd nah, I'm a hard-core Type R fan but making it louder will sound worse, the K20C1 is an amazing engine but doesn't sound that great so it's best to keep it quiet
Great video, will we get a film on the new Golf?
he should title it "Volkswagen Golf GTI | A Worse N DCT?"
Now Hyundai is getting respect. When a GTi and Type R are in the conversation, that means this is not a garbage rattle box we knew from not such a distant time. Hyundai/Kia have worked hard to put themselves on the map as cars you want. And yeah, I really want this car. Purity of form, value, the Type R is wonderful, but the styling is too much. I am not 18 anymore, I was and am a Subaru fan too, but geez Hyundai has gotten on my radar. Also the Genesis G70 was/is a car I can be happy with when the jacked up station wagon craze leaves my system. I love what you guys do. Your production values are always tops. I don't know your camera system and resources, but my oh my I have never seen better. Truly professional. Truly well done.
*falls apart inside 200k kms*
@@ThunderGoatz Progress takes time, plus with the purchasing habits changing all the time, 200kms may not be a factor. Plus, there is always leasing so you give it back before the Gremlins happen. Time will get Hyundai and Kia where they need to be. Toyota status? I don't know, but at least they are going in the right direction.
@@xray111xxx Hyundai warranty is one of the best right now. People used to say the same thing about Toyotas years ago that they are junk and will fall apart. My last Elantra had over 350000km on it and ran like it was brand new.
@@ThunderGoatz Oh, right, that old, old line. Hyundais are modern cars built pretty much like any others. There is no reason whatsoever to think they'll fall apart. Cars don't do that anymore.
It’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing fwd” in their own right, they’re straight murdering Volkswagen.
what do you mean its becoming the last of it's kind? are they stopping production?
So glad that SG is pro-Veloster N. I nearly bought one last year to replace my ‘10 GTI (then a Camaro SS 1LE came into my life haha)
Oddly enough they weren't when it first came out. The title of the old video mentioned "not great, not terrible..." and his review pretty much said it wasn't that good of a car. Did Hyundai leave a horse head in his bed?
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@@Booshka823 They made dramatic improvements, much nicer than horse heads.
@@markmiller3279 There are NOT dramatic improvements over the 2019-2020 N. Other than the DCT-stuff (like N-grin), optional seats and the base car now being the old
performance package everything is exactly the same. The horsehead reference comes from the old Sicilian mafia way of convincing someone to agree with them by leaving a horsehead in your bed...if you continued to "disagree" with them your head was next. Since the first review was "meh" and this review is kind of "wow" I wondered what Hyundai did to change SGs mind.
@@Booshka823 I think he just felt he was a bit unfair the first time around. In context of what other cars have done lately, he feels he was too harsh.
10/100K warranty will go right out of the window once a yob puts his "tinkering" hands on that drivetrain.
Yeah but Hyundai dealers got in big trouble not honoring the warranty on the Theta II engines, which this car has. There was a huge lawsuit. So lately, dealers have been making a point to honor the warranty.
i30N over here in Europe looks sooooooooo much better than this IMO
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@@hallohey8995 GTI👌
Had to sub. to your channel. It's the only independent car channel on UA-cam that doesn't frickin' lie to me in the reviews!
Hyundai to Honda: "This is how you're suppose to do a transmission."
Honda reliability >>>>> Hyundai reliability
Google "Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fire recalls", recalling cars since 2012 for the same deadly problems.
@@KP-xi4bj That was almost a decade ago. Hyundais are much better built now. You should google Honda transmission problems from the mid 2000s while you're at it. You're stuck in 2010 land if you're using old news as your source.
@@roostertailspice2482It's laughable you're comparing Honda transmission problems to Hyundais, Kias and Geneses catching fire. It shows just how braindead Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fanboys/-girls are. LMFAO
Like I said Google "Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fire recalls". They have been recalling cars for fires since 2012.
Here's an example:
"Hyundai issued safety recalls (NHTSA IDs: 21V-160 and 21V-161) this month for Model Year 2015-2016 Hyundai Genesis, 2017-2020 Genesis G80 and 2019-2021 Genesis G70 vehicles. The anti-lock brake system modules could malfunction internally and cause an electrical short over time, potentially resulting in an engine compartment fire while parked or driving."
Source: "Important Hyundai & Genesis Recall in the U.S" by Jose Antonio López (Korean Car Blog, May 14, 2021)
@@KP-xi4bj Did you just tried to write a paragraph to explain something simple? Nice try you pretentious slob. You seriously think Hyundai is the only company that has parts that might catch on fire? Well that's tough for a blind fanboy like you because Honda does too. They had to recall 1.5 million vehicles for window switches that might catch on fire and cheaply made driveshafts that corrode too quickly. Even Toyota had problems with their hybrid batteries back in the day.
Nice try but you're delusional.
@@roostertailspice2482 Wow! You Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fanboys/-girls are so desperate picking on recalls for cars that are almost 20 years old. LMFAO
FYI, Hyunda/Kia/Genesis have been recalling cars for vehicle fires every year since 2012. That's right, brand new 2021 already recalled for vehicle fires. I don't see Honda/Toyota issuing recalls every year for vehicle fires, do you? But carry on denying and keep grasping those straws. LMFAO
PLEASE DO THE 2021 MACh 1 as I just bought one #696 of unknown numbers and dying for your input
I'm from Europe and I'm waiting for the I30n 2022 with the dual clutch. Thank you for your time and energy to make these videos.
It's because of this video that I got the Red 2021 Veloster N DCT! Thank you SG you guys have done such a great job with this vid that it convinced me to actually by this car! No regrets thank you thank you!
Are you guys gonna do a video that does more in-depth coverage of Jack's GTI? I was hoping this would be a full on comparison. I'm biased as a GTI owner, but would love slightly more coverage - especially after Jack's comment on IG that "I like the GTI less the more I drive it".
That's a good way of putting it I think. I had a base GTI DSG for a couple years, and it was a great car, but perfectly described by the old adage "jack of all trades, master of none". It's a great daily, but not anywhere near as exciting as a real sports car. Everything is light and but with very little feeling. Thing is, I test drove the Veloster N manual when I was selling the GTI, and I expected the veloster to be more edgy and exciting, but it felt very similar, aside from manual vs auto. And the veloster interior frankly makes the GTI feel like an Audi.
@@spacepxl it’s funny you say that, cause I thought the exact same. The Veloster was a little more exciting but I felt the diff, brakes, and trans were similar to the GTI. Mine is a 19 SE w/Experience, and the DCC makes the GTI ride amazingly well, the stereo is phenomenal, and it’s just so refined. I’m 22 years old and even felt the trade off for 10% more veloster excitement wasn’t worth it at all with such a bad interior, weird looking car, and stuff ride.
It’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it.
Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si
This video was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Bought a blue DCT fresh off truck, love every second in it
Golf r and Type R civics are 43 to 47k--I just got a Kona N for 35k.You can get a 3.3TT stinger in that price range and a stinger would trounce a golf r or Type R--and I know cause i owned a 2020 AWD Stinger GT 3.3TT and dragged against them both and it was no contest.
I was interrupted in the middle of your video by my mom yelling down into the basement "Johnny, your Arby's is getting cold, come up here and get it while it's still hot". Can life get any better?
You lie, Arby's is never hot
Life can get way better if it was anything but Arby's
All of this work, on a Dell?
Dell supports my video addictions
It has the horribly unreliable 2.0T Theta II motor. Why in God's name would you gamble your hard earned money on this engine? Trust me, they are a disaster. Ask me how I know. Worse still, this car isn't included in the huge engine recall/court settlement, meaning that you won't get a free engine repair once the 100k mile powertrain warranty expires (like most of us got). Run. Run away!!
Just bought an Ioniq and I love it. Used to do valet and I loved the Veloster those things are so much fun, no doubt in my mind Hyundai/Kia make the best cars for the money these days. They have excellent warranties as well.
some niggling problems on my kia forte gt though, barely used.. i dunno if its just mine or wider quality issues. Had a honda civic sport touring (which I didnt love) never had a single problem
2011 called and wants its headlights back.
Great review. I drive a manual, but I appreciate Hyundai's efforts in developing a DCT in-house that improves performance and makes the car more accessible to more people.
I also find it interesting that folks consider a $34k hot hatch "affordable". With a household median income of $61k a year in the US, I feel like we're setting expectations a little high and encouraging people to buy cars they can't afford by labeling it as "affordable".
Believe me when I say I've been on car forums where someone's asked if it's a bad decision to trade in a car that they still owe $12k with no equity for a brand NEW "affordable" $28k car.
I wish you guys would test a properly modified GTI. VW leaves a blank canvas for the GTI. A tune and rear sway bar makes the GTI a beast.
Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si
Great review from these guys, as always! Have driven both the Type R and the updated Veloster N. My two cents: Type R had staggering amounts of turn in, precision, road feel. On the track or if you want to log best numbers, that's the bomb. But the Veloster N DCT was even more fun to drive. The power was smoother, more predictable. The steering and road feel are sublime. Between these cars, it's a matter of preference, they're both incredibly good and both more fun than cars costing A LOT more that I've driven. The GTI is a great option if you don't mind numbing the driving experience a bit and need this to be your DD commuter car. The 2015 + and 2022 WRX is a great option if you need AWD and want total practicality and bang for the buck with in a very competent package. I drove a WRX with Michilin Pilots and was blown away by how fast it could move through familiar corners. The WRX and it will hold up against a lot of competition. But the most fun to drive of all of these overall, to me, was the Veloster N. Only bummer is that there aren't more of these kinds of cars around. All of them VERY capable and entertaining. Having driven all the cars mentioned, hope this helps with decision between them. They're all great, just different flavors.
In 2020 I got a Stinger GT 3.3TT AWD instead of a Type R--the Type R had to be revved to get any speed while my Stinger felt like a NA V8 Muscle car.I also wanted a decent stock drag car to goto public drag and the stinger did not dissapoint.I aslo put geomet cross drilled and vented rotors on all 4s for road courses but the Stinger skyrocketed in price and i sold it--had a Mazda Cx-30 turbo for the last 6 months and just traded it dead even--had to pay 1k in taxes--and got a brand new 0 mile red kona N.I was actually able to pocket a little over 10k (after all is said and done) and although i do not have the stinger--I own my Kona N and have an extra 10k in my car bank account.The Kona N also has a lot of torque down low and it revs more then the stinger--but not like a Type R.I also will prob never get a car that sits low again now that they make sport CUV/small SUV--my stingers door sills and front skirts were so low that they were nicked and dinged--and even noticeably so after public drag night with rubber bouncing off the low skirts and door.
I love what the Civic does but, the current generation looks like a toddler drew it and what the dealers are asking for it is an insult to anyone's intelligence. VW underperforms. So, this is a way better option for the current generation. I still don't understand why Subaru stopped offering the WRX in a hatch. Oh well.
For some reason Honda dealers have a history of really gouging you on hot selling models. I remember trying to buy a Prelude back in the day. The dealer said they would let me know when the next one came in. They called me to come down to the dealership, where myself and seven other people were invited to bid on the car. I was the only person to walk out. Fast forward to 2020. My son was trying to by a Civic type R. Found out that Honda is trying to keep the dealers under control. So the dealer sells the car to a friendly person that resells it way over MSRP. The same thing with C8 Corvettes.
t’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it.
Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si
I was to comment that the GTI wasn't the only FWD automatic hot hatch, then I remembered you don't get the Renault Megane RS or the BMW 128ti.
Or even the latest Focus ST.
Not the focus
Don’t rub it in, we don’t get the smaller hot hatches either :(
As a Type R owner I look at this and go hmm, zero leg room in the back and not as fast. Granted they are cheaper but I literally bought my Type R because I needed a bit of a 4 door car for my family and SUVs were 40k for a nice one that would just be a boring point A to B car. These have been out what, a year or two?? I live in the Orlando area and I have only seen 1 of these on the road...that's it!! It seems as though no one is buying them. It's cool and all but it needs to hit that 300 mark and stay cheaper than the Type R to really bring some buyers to the table. At this rate many guys would rather pay more for a Type R than a Veloster N. The Type R is demanding such a high resale value as well that Hyundai will never reach.
There's surprisingly a good amount of leg room in the back but yes the type r is bigger with more space... These sold well as a manual and the dct will only bring more buyers.
Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si
@@bobbyaustralia8509 the N is definitely in a different class of performance compared to the si and GTI.
This thing is weird to me. In Europe we got the Hyundai i30 N but I don‘t think it‘s the same car. It has a different rear and waaay better interior.
You are correct, they aren't the same. i30s are commonplace (now) but Velosters are available in UK, I just don't see many of them around. Similar to i30 but entirely different model line.
i30 N fastback is one of my favourite new cars. It looks much better than Veloster IMO.
Very different car, with the Veloster more closely related to the European Ceed.
Looks cool but the GTI is just so effortlessly good looking.
Agreed. Although, the new MK8 GTI design is a bit questionable...
@@Junesba as a Mk7 2 door owner, agreed. Not sure where their heads were at with the Mk8.
I have the same opinion. The MK7 and 7.5 GTI's and R's are just so good looking, to me they are still the top choice.
Not the Mk VIII. It's a nasty cheap pig compared to its predecessors.
It’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it.
Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si
Too bad Hyundai dealerships suck!
I don't need the radio in my i30 Fastbavk N either. The exhaust is my entertainment and if i need the radio it's "good enough".
Really looking forward testing the DCT version. Plastics are "cheap" but good bit i didn't buy this car for the interior either just as i didn't buy my Mustang GT back then for it's interior. Both cars are special in their own respect, one offers fun driving for a 4 popper, the other one has a V8.
I'd take it over a GTI because it isn't a GTI.
then your a idiot...or u just like replacing your engine every 40-60,000kms....because hyundai cant make a 4cyl turbo to save there life....and this is coming from a hyundai tech of 12 years who replaces a 4cyl turbo 2 times a week...dont bark shit if you dont know shit....
not to mention the GTI would eat this thing for breakfast without even hitting 3rd gear
@@Scypher0th what's weird is you have dedicated 12 years of your life to work for a company you seem to despise.....who's the insane one here?
@@xxtoptankxx6873 I don’t see him saying he despises the company. He was merely sharing his opinion about their engines.
Get the veloster while you can. It's one of the last few of its kind and absolutely the best in its segment for driving. I cannot believe that these things are dying but I hold out that it stays around just a bit longer.
Where is the manual transmission? Where is the manual transmission? This is a car for the effeminate.
It’s really solid at jail speeds. And if u need to stop from high speed to a stop it’s damn amazing. I have 2020 with the performance pack.. mostly FBO and a tune. It’s amazing. Even stock .. i love it as much. They really could have easily made this thing 300 bhp safely from the factory