You have the best drag race format! I hate when some channels switch to like 6 different camera angles mid race. I like how you play each one separately so we can clearly see how they pull. Good runs, I knew the Veloster would smack it haha.
3:15 "was a good launch" 🤣.. i hope you were joking.. but not consider that horrible and sluggish launch.. a good one. Sti have to be launched from 4000rpm minimum, but could vary by track surface. That car should launch as a bullet, you launched like a fart 🤣
I watched the video and thought the same thing. he burned the clutch riding it that hard. that "good" launch was horrible. My wrx launches way harder than that, and it's stock.
I'm not just saying this to be mean or a fantard but I seriously do call into question your shifting in the STi. I get that 1st to 2nd can be kinda rough sometimes but 2nd-3rd, 3rd-4th, 4th-5th, 5th-6th. Those should be almost immediate. I should not be able to notice the car jerk when you shift.
100% spot on. The STI is a little tough to get the launch right but when mastered, it's actually very quick off the line & the 1st to second change is normally way less 'jerky' as seen in this video.
The gearing in those is a pita if you’re not used to it plus no 5K clutch dump launch. Poor STI wasn’t in its final form yet or it would have done much better. Some cars are hard to extract best numbers from but the STI/WRX/Evo cars are next level difficulty.
@@GaryDownes wrong. My WRX with a tune would eat both of these in drag race. He can't launch or shift for shit Idc how much drag racing experience he has. I'm in a 425hp Fa20 WRX.
@@bubblelex5051 like even with shifter cables and not direct linkage like the STI I can shift much better than that. I'd wager 2k I'd take that veloster with an STI.
@@williamkirsch8662 don't think he did. You need to hold down the traction control button to completely shut off the system. Get waaaay better launches
The sti boost kicks in at 4k to redline . if he is trying to shift as fast as he can he isn't getting any power in the car at all. All the power is on 2nd 3rd and 4th once you get to 5 6 nothing there. If he did shift at redlone then the Veloster is just faster
I’m Happy to own a Veloster N DCT! So much fun to drive. I honestly don’t think I’ll ever get bored of it 😆. Hyundai did a great job! Can’t wait to see what they have for the future .
A better driver in the STI could have shown different results you could see every time he shifted it jolted back. Hyundai is impressive for being a Hyundai but the wrx is defined and has so much history it’s hard to see what the Hyundai is going to be like in 10 years
Took the Veloster N for a test drive today and I couldn't stop giggling like a kid doing his first donuts!!! Going to factory order one tomorrow morning 💪😎
Congrats on the n! I just ordered a 2022 cyber grey manual myself.. i was tossing up between a elantra n or veloster n but the veloster just looks better and I think it'll be a more fun playful car in general... plus I'm a little biased being a current veloster turbo owner
Maybe it's the elevation where I am. I test drove one and wasn't impressed at all. Didn't feel even remotely quick. Then I started looking at a Type R. About a year later, bought a 2021 supra. 😁
Hey man hopefully I don't rub you the wrong way but have you thought about bringing im someone else to do the drag races with the manual cars? I feel like a more faster shifter would have had this race close
@@stevornrichards1380 I drove a 2017 a few years ago and I don’t remember it ever being that long. You can’t Honda bang gear them but they definitely can be shifted way faster
In this particular case, the Subbie would have lost even if Lewis Hamilton was driving it. Manual are being shown up for the dinosaurs they are everytime they are pitted against a decent automatic transmission
I have a manual 2020 veloster n but this whole test is shit. Manual vs auto? I mean that’s already stupid. Sti can destroy this car. Raced a couple sti’s and unless it’s perfect weather the sti always wins
@@keith9710 Are you saying that if STI had a manual, it would win? Otherwise, It seems like you're telling me to not believe what I am seeing. The VN clearly beat the STI and the STI is AWD. The STI is just not that quick...Anybody saying otherwise is just cucking for Subaru.
Again, the DCT make the difference. You can see each time Sam pass a shift, the Veloster gets away. I'd like to know if the Veloster used the launch control, and if so, at what rpm he set it? Another good one Sam👍🤙
Only car hot hatch left to beat it is the new MK8 R….this race shows how much more power u need in a manual trans to keep up vs a dct. Wonder if an Accord Sport 2.0 would hang with the N?
Gearing helps with acceleration. Awd helps with launching. Having more gears help with delivering power for longer. Didn't really have that much to do with horsepower in this case.
STi needs driver mod. I still have my 04 that I bought brand new. It's far from stock now but I ran 13.068 with a 1.699 60' stock. I know new ones are heavier and have taller gearing but that was not a good launch. I got best 60' launching at 5500rpm and your shifts are slow and it's not because the gears are bad. Still love your videos but in a car like that driver is a massive difference. Hyundai have definitely come a long way too though
Nice! No frills racing right here. Last trip out to the drag strip Sam I rolled with a Veloster N in baby blue and the older fella driving it looked to be just having the time of his life. Clear to see why. I can't get past the weird proportions and the 3 door thing but can't deny the performance. Great vid again mate.
It takes skills to launch STI,it takes skills to shift STI ,it takes skills to drive STI proper way sir ,calling that 6 speed bad transsmision just blowed my mind lmaoo... You took rally inspired car for drag racing ,which made fot attacking corners and apex ,made for quick accelerations to come out from it ,thatz why it has short gears. You didnt launch STI ,you shifted very poor and chocked the car .yes veloster is faster with that DCT ,but it was embarrassing to watch how poor driver mode can destroy car spirit ... At the end STI is way superrior drivers car for any type of road conditions than veloster N !.
I disagree I believe Sam Carlegion to be an excellent driver. With that being said if a car is fast it will show it there shouldn’t have to be a trick to how to shift a manual I am sure Sam Carlegion has driven thousands of manual transmissions. So with that being said the Veloster was just a faster car.
I have 2019 sti and really not designed as drag strip car with the powertrain. Love mine but never bother trying to out drag the car next to me by abusing the clutch to get a launch. Just enjoy the transmission and do not agree that the transmission is trash by reviewer, no disrespect. Just hope if Subaru changes the transmission in the future is DCT and the so called performance CVT that is going into the 2022 wrx as option to the manual 6 speed.
I currently have a 2020 Hyundai Elantra GT N-line and I might upgrade to a base model WRX, unfortunately both the STI and Veloster N are kind of out of my budget. Carvana is offering almost 4k more than what I paid originally for the car. Great comparison video, looked very accurate and fair, and I appreciate keeping one camera angle per run.
Yikes I sold my wrx after having it for 2 weeks luckily only lost 2k but in my 2 weeks of ownership the base model wrx is really limited anything after 4K rpm’s it goes into limp mode. I now have the Elantra gt n line hatch and honestly by far a much better drive overall but that’s just my opinion just though I should comment because I thought it was funny that I did the opposite of what you’re trying to do lol.
@@jiujiubeans all you have to do is do a stage 1 tune to eliminate rev hang and the limp issue after 4k, also they fixed that issue for the 2020 models.
I'm in an Fa20 WRX pushing 425hp stock block and turbo. Do not let this clown who owned the WRX for .5 seconds. The WRX is the much better car out of the 3. With just a tune and a turbo back exhaust you're faster than any stock STI wishes it could be. The only downfall is anyone who has a 2015.5 + got the shittier suspension while mine came with the STI suspension. Just upgrade the car slowly over time and you'll have a car that's much more capable than an STI for much less money
@@F80mthree whoa… I used to ignore these things in traffic. I still do, but I used to, too. Pretty impressive given FWD hot hatch.. I’m extremely guilty of ignoring the Golf R as well and they are crazy quick. These comparisons have been rather sobering.
Impossible! It's definitely not the car! The Subaru driver doesn't know how to drive a Manual transmission. 😔 what about the Dccd controller? Wondering if He had it set on automatic.
Just bought my 2022 veloster n DCT and I can't stress how much video's do NOT do it justice. If i could go back in time i would chose the veloster every time!
I did not know I needed to watch this until I watched it! That SURGE on every gear change in the N is CRAZY! I bet it feels absolutely SAVAGE when you're driving it. Great Video! I will buy this car when I find a white one in AZ. When I went the dealer they only had the black one.
@@MWCRUSADER0508 No there is a surge. I've watched many videos if not all of them for the VN and thats what the NGS button helps with. The pops from the exhaust is anti-lag and when it shifts gears that power drops onto if causing a surge forward. Look at the video carefully when the subaru is not changing gears and you will see it.
@@georgevigil7001 No, the Veloster N does not "surge" on upshifts. What you're seeing is an artificial hard shift that Hyundai put in to make it feel nice and engaging. My C63 AMG has this as well and other AMGs do too. In my car, this is not activated when in comfort mode, which may be the same thing for the Veloster N.
For drag, it's best to use the base STI with the 18's, no sunroof, no harmen audio and no wing. I think that should help since you'll save quiet a bit of weight.
Try revving the Subaru to about three grand and dumping the clutch and when you shift, power shift. Every time you shift gears the H is pulling a car on you.
I’m not surprised by the outcome. The Subaru is a cow of a car. Also, automatics are becoming quicker than manual cars because of the technology within them. However. Which car are you going to have more fun off road, in the dirt, mud and snow? And saying that you can drive a MT vehicle gets you a pat on the back and a job at valet parking.
Sti driver just wasn’t accustomed with the car enough. Also kind of favoriting Hyundai with the DCT transmission since the guy in the Subaru clearly isn’t comfortable with the car. Launch was bad, shifts where probably bad too. Looks like he wasn’t staying in the boost between shifts (early shifting)? 2018+ models are a fulls second slower to 60 with the addition of the electronic diff anyways.
Take it back 18 years ago you might have been abit young to remember the 2001, 2002 Hyundai Tiburon small block V6 with the 6 speed manual could give the impreza some competition back then and that's no laughing matter, just that they discontinued it and the impreza's get more powerful as time passed
What if I had told you there would be an electric 4 door sedan for 100k that could absolutely EMBARRASS the fastest super cars on the planet?? Crazy times to be alive right now
Sti gains proformance and reaction time after installing accessport and shines after proformance mod. Sti throttle respond is probably it's biggest weakness and 2nd gear hanging
I was thinking about buying an N but my focus ST3 was so cheap ($12k w/ 30k miles) and is paid off. I think I’d rather put the money for mods. I’ll give it a year especially since the N has those new bucket seat. Open to other’s thoughts. Edit: I also, with todays market, got a $21k trade in offer for my ST which is very convincing
I liked this race a lot! I could tell you are enjoying it too! Maybe we can get GLI vs STI? Haven’t seen a GLI vid for many months now. Hope u don’t hate us :(
I love the Veloster N but went with a 2022 BRZ. It was a little cheaper plus I want to play with RWD for a while, but darn the DCT in the Veloster is pretty amazing. I was surprised at this result but probably shouldn’t have been.
@@applepoop10 it's not for speed And no to AWD it would at weight.Go drive one or a Miata and see how much fun you're going to have,it's not always about hp but how the car communicates the inputs while you are driving.
@@michaelfont7239 I’m with you on this. My driving outlet is autocross, not drag racing. I want to learn RWD dynamics and think the twins have great bang for the buck.
@@aroundomaha listen i had a 2018 Miata with e85 and it was a blast,with the introduction of the twins i am picking up the GR 86. I've driven fast cars and they just don't do it for me,there is nothing like a rwd, light car and of course a manual transmission.
@Renntech no it doesn’t. You are referring to MANUAL timings of the GOLF R. Which runs 4.8 and 13.4. Why don’t u go look at MANUAL veo timing if u want to be bias. The GOLF R does 4.6 seconds at 13.2 on a good day and will smack any N. The trap speed won’t matter since the R Will still reach that 105 much faster than the N will. There is already videos of the golf R smacking the Type R and on this channel the DCT N lost badly to the type R
@Renntech that’s paper timing. The Golf r would put gaps on the N. Not a drivers car? You are so silly. You do know the Golf R is rated as one of the best over all hatches. Way higher than the silly N. And if u wanna get super technical you are comparing a 9 year old platform to a new platform with a DCT. Because you know if u DARED compare the N to the New golf R as it should be compared there would be NO chance. The N is still behind to a 8 year old platform let alone the new one
It was pretty obvious people.. power to weight ratio was similar, so it came down to shifting and nowday's DCT is waaaaay faster than the manual transmission.
Even with the manual the veloster would win. Stock Sti's are over rated. The veloster N is drastically UNDER rated. The launch on the STI was pretty soft here. They can take much more abuse than that, bit the WRX cannot. The update of the WRX\STI cant come soon enough. The FA20 in the WRX was underpowered, and that EJ was ready to retire a long time ago.
@@higherarc0598 I will have to go back and look. From all the media outlets that reviewed both versions on the veloster N the DCT is only a couple tenths quicker in a 1\4 mile. If the STI beat the manual version this shouldnt have been the blowout that it was.
yeah the VN is still, and seemingly will continue to be available in both DCT and manual. Not sure why you said the new model is DCT only, unless you are referring to the Kona N.
Power to weight ratio being nearly equal the car with DCT will be hard to beat. Never much drop in power being applied since the next gear is pre-selected before the upshift giving very rapid upshift.
Typically a modern DCT will walk an equally paired 6 speed rival. No surprise here at all. STI platform is a fucking dinosaur but will always hold a special place in the hearts of those of us who have owned one.
You should have had somebody else drive the Subaru wrx sti, preferably somebody who is familiar with the gears. There was no justice here only mediocre driving at best.
I have been a Subaru enthusiastic since the late 90s and having owned a 2004 sti when they first arrived in the United States. It was the highed of Subaru. Winning all those wrc titles . Fast forward to today. The available horse power hasn't changed that much and the cars design has taken a nose dive. The PowerPlant ej25 has been a wonderful motor capable of tons of horse power. Just Subaru didn't make the most of it. I payed 32,000 for my 2004 sti brand new. The horsepower never went up just the sticker price .
You are the best channel ever. On stressful days, your channel brings a nice ease into people’s mind with amazing races like this video! Both cars surprised me. Can we please get the ecoboost vs GLI next! I’m so excited for it
Hmm really? My grandmother would have won in that AT against the worlds worst manual stick driver... 🙄😂 A good (read average) driver would have won easily in the Sti... If he only would have launched correctly 🤦🏻♂️
It make a lot of sense, on dry surface will be FWD with less than 350 hp always quicker. Smaller losses in drive train and so on. With more power should be FWD screwed. On other hand, on snow, wet, dirt surface can AWD stretch her legs and win.
If anyone thought that Subaru was going to win clearly doesn’t know the crack that Hyundai and Kia have been smoking lately. K5 GT flogs V6 cars. I’d say take the K5 GT and Sonata N-Line to the dyno and you’ll see they’re lying about their HP output. There’s absolutely NO WAY 291hp is that fast
Both struggles to put the power down, in a consistent manner. Sometimes its just spinning tires and cars not moving as much as they needed to be. Both lacks a LSD also.
@@RedlineGaming007 Kia not putting an LSD in the K5 is why I'm not considering it anymore. It just spins the whole time on launch. I'm waiting on the Elantra N to come out, pretty sure I'm going to buy one.
The STI's launch was pretty poor though, you can 100% launch that STI without worry, their STI 6 speed transmission can handle over 3 times the factory power and twice the torque. Gearing is fine, just need to actually drive the car 😂
In the last 18 years the STI has gained less then 30 hp, it used to beat alot of cars. Now it loses to Hyundai and honda 2.0t . Gas mileage hasn't improved much as well.
If you know the history of STI, you know they never built for horsepower war or drag race. Cars like EVO and STi are WRC inspired performance car, all about grips and handling. they still have best AWD system even on today's market considering how old the platform they are based.
hello obviously nobody on earth fas if he is the best of the best pilots he will make manual changes faster than a double clutch box and how do you want to beat the veloster if he would say toreto that you made the changes worse than his grandmother and if he clearly knows see how you make changes very fast and at low revolutions for that is the red line to calculate make the change when you arrive but finally hazing again from (expert) 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤭🤭🤭🤭
You have the best drag race format! I hate when some channels switch to like 6 different camera angles mid race. I like how you play each one separately so we can clearly see how they pull. Good runs, I knew the Veloster would smack it haha.
Thank you!
Yes i agree 100% thanks for very good angle shots
If STI had an DCT STI win
@@SamCarLegion why is the veloster n lower hp than the wrx sti but still beats the sti?
3:15 "was a good launch" 🤣.. i hope you were joking.. but not consider that horrible and sluggish launch.. a good one. Sti have to be launched from 4000rpm minimum, but could vary by track surface. That car should launch as a bullet, you launched like a fart 🤣
I watched the video and thought the same thing. he burned the clutch riding it that hard. that "good" launch was horrible. My wrx launches way harder than that, and it's stock.
Lol fr...he is probably scared to kill transmissions
Regardless that sti wasn't going to win. The gearing is pretty bad. The STI definitely needs some improvements for the next model.
Couldn't agree more he doesn't know how to launch the STI that thing would have shoot out a lot quicker.
Yea, pathetic launch. Lost a lot of time there.
I'm not just saying this to be mean or a fantard but I seriously do call into question your shifting in the STi.
I get that 1st to 2nd can be kinda rough sometimes but 2nd-3rd, 3rd-4th, 4th-5th, 5th-6th. Those should be almost immediate. I should not be able to notice the car jerk when you shift.
Yes, and what's more is you're able to set the launch control which was obviously not used.
100% spot on.
The STI is a little tough to get the launch right but when mastered, it's actually very quick off the line & the 1st to second change is normally way less 'jerky' as seen in this video.
Also seemed to shift too early out of 2nd
yeah also mentioned this, the guy is so bad
Exactly Sam's shifting is not great at all he needs someone who really DRIVES manual to make it fair.
We’re literally seeing a channel grow into thousands and soon reach the Million mark, another great race, thank you 🐐🤙
Thank you
@@SamCarLegion ey man, isnt the STI powerband better in the higher revs? early shifts and no launch is killer
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Shifting on the STI is not fluid. When you can notice it from outside of the car, you know it's not good.
The gearing in those is a pita if you’re not used to it plus no 5K clutch dump launch. Poor STI wasn’t in its final form yet or it would have done much better. Some cars are hard to extract best numbers from but the STI/WRX/Evo cars are next level difficulty.
DCT against that shite transmission in the Scooby. Sorry, but Suberu have been ripping off its clients for years
@@GaryDownes wrong. My WRX with a tune would eat both of these in drag race. He can't launch or shift for shit Idc how much drag racing experience he has. I'm in a 425hp Fa20 WRX.
@@STR33TZK1NG 🔥🔥
@@bubblelex5051 like even with shifter cables and not direct linkage like the STI I can shift much better than that. I'd wager 2k I'd take that veloster with an STI.
I'm not saying you're a bad driver, but you don't know how yo shift an STI.
That’s the samething I’m saying. Did he take off traction mode?
@@williamkirsch8662 don't think he did.
You need to hold down the traction control button to completely shut off the system. Get waaaay better launches
The sti boost kicks in at 4k to redline . if he is trying to shift as fast as he can he isn't getting any power in the car at all. All the power is on 2nd 3rd and 4th once you get to 5 6 nothing there. If he did shift at redlone then the Veloster is just faster
ive done 5sec flat 0-100klm in my stock sti these guys dont try too hard
I'm sure your a better driver lol
I’m Happy to own a Veloster N DCT! So much fun to drive. I honestly don’t think I’ll ever get bored of it 😆. Hyundai did a great job! Can’t wait to see what they have for the future .
@hon solo I’ll probably sell it after I pay it off and get something new hehe
Not much apparently, this is as good as it got.
@@cristopherflores6195hate to break it to you but the EN overall as a performance package is better so nah it did get better LOL
A better driver in the STI could have shown different results you could see every time he shifted it jolted back. Hyundai is impressive for being a Hyundai but the wrx is defined and has so much history it’s hard to see what the Hyundai is going to be like in 10 years
Took the Veloster N for a test drive today and I couldn't stop giggling like a kid doing his first donuts!!! Going to factory order one tomorrow morning 💪😎
Not going wait for the Elantra N?
@@curiosityredpill7030 I thought it looks ok but it's not my style. Maybe after a few years of refinement to the looks it'll win me over
Glad to know I wasn't the only one giggling like a child driving one 🤣
Them Ns are a beast of a car. I'd get one in a heartbeat if I had the money!!!
Congrats on the n! I just ordered a 2022 cyber grey manual myself.. i was tossing up between a elantra n or veloster n but the veloster just looks better and I think it'll be a more fun playful car in general... plus I'm a little biased being a current veloster turbo owner
Maybe it's the elevation where I am. I test drove one and wasn't impressed at all. Didn't feel even remotely quick. Then I started looking at a Type R. About a year later, bought a 2021 supra. 😁
That Veloster is so impressive!
It is
Hey man hopefully I don't rub you the wrong way but have you thought about bringing im someone else to do the drag races with the manual cars? I feel like a more faster shifter would have had this race close
Yeah, it seems like the Subaru have Rev hang, long throws or just granny shifting
@@stevornrichards1380 I drove a 2017 a few years ago and I don’t remember it ever being that long. You can’t Honda bang gear them but they definitely can be shifted way faster
Lol but he blames the car
Oath, he was so slow shifting and launching, then complains about the gearing... mate you just can't drive it properly 😂
In this particular case, the Subbie would have lost even if Lewis Hamilton was driving it. Manual are being shown up for the dinosaurs they are everytime they are pitted against a decent automatic transmission
"that was a good launch" he was slipping the clutch for like a half of the century there
That's how you launch a AWD. Drop the clutch and you'll bog especially with these STIs
@@p.diocee8177 no, that's not how you launch awd
I have a manual 2020 veloster n but this whole test is shit. Manual vs auto? I mean that’s already stupid. Sti can destroy this car. Raced a couple sti’s and unless it’s perfect weather the sti always wins
@@keith9710 Are you saying that if STI had a manual, it would win? Otherwise, It seems like you're telling me to not believe what I am seeing. The VN clearly beat the STI and the STI is AWD. The STI is just not that quick...Anybody saying otherwise is just cucking for Subaru.
@@p.diocee8177 bro you obviously do not know how to launch
Again, the DCT make the difference. You can see each time Sam pass a shift, the Veloster gets away. I'd like to know if the Veloster used the launch control, and if so, at what rpm he set it? Another good one Sam👍🤙
We need answers and I’ll give the like
Driver error,Sam shifts suck and he's not revving it out long enough to drop back into boost when he shifts.
Only car hot hatch left to beat it is the new MK8 R….this race shows how much more power u need in a manual trans to keep up vs a dct. Wonder if an Accord Sport 2.0 would hang with the N?
It was only a 35 hp difference with atleast 300 pounds extra so not that much power honestly 🤷♂️🔥🔥
Gearing helps with acceleration. Awd helps with launching. Having more gears help with delivering power for longer. Didn't really have that much to do with horsepower in this case.
STi needs driver mod. I still have my 04 that I bought brand new. It's far from stock now but I ran 13.068 with a 1.699 60' stock. I know new ones are heavier and have taller gearing but that was not a good launch. I got best 60' launching at 5500rpm and your shifts are slow and it's not because the gears are bad. Still love your videos but in a car like that driver is a massive difference. Hyundai have definitely come a long way too though
I am a 04 sti fan probably the fastest ones the newer ones got slower and slower
Got an 05 sti.. the best! 😜 i own both of these cars but yes the N is a faster car.. stock to stock
Having a 2022 DCT. The launch control is fun and the shifts during full throttle snap your neck back.
Nice! No frills racing right here. Last trip out to the drag strip Sam I rolled with a Veloster N in baby blue and the older fella driving it looked to be just having the time of his life. Clear to see why. I can't get past the weird proportions and the 3 door thing but can't deny the performance. Great vid again mate.
Get a proper driver to drive the STI, the slowest shifts ever! And that launch 😂 was just lovely
It takes skills to launch STI,it takes skills to shift STI ,it takes skills to drive STI proper way sir ,calling that 6 speed bad transsmision just blowed my mind lmaoo... You took rally inspired car for drag racing ,which made fot attacking corners and apex ,made for quick accelerations to come out from it ,thatz why it has short gears.
You didnt launch STI ,you shifted very poor and chocked the car .yes veloster is faster with that DCT ,but it was embarrassing to watch how poor driver mode can destroy car spirit ...
At the end STI is way superrior drivers car for any type of road conditions than veloster N !.
Lol
Now wait till Veloster internet mechanics will jump with super smart comments 😆
Cheap talk
@@SamCarLegion
Lmfao .... Where did you see cheap talk ?
I disagree I believe Sam Carlegion to be an excellent driver. With that being said if a car is fast it will show it there shouldn’t have to be a trick to how to shift a manual I am sure Sam Carlegion has driven thousands of manual transmissions. So with that being said the Veloster was just a faster car.
I love how the Hyundai is just taking the Subaru for a walk in the park 🤣
Yes, I own an sti, but that’s not how you launch the Subaru.
Yeah poor guy dosent know how to drive.
I have 2019 sti and really not designed as drag strip car with the powertrain. Love mine but never bother trying to out drag the car next to me by abusing the clutch to get a launch. Just enjoy the transmission and do not agree that the transmission is trash by reviewer, no disrespect. Just hope if Subaru changes the transmission in the future is DCT and the so called performance CVT that is going into the 2022 wrx as option to the manual 6 speed.
I currently have a 2020 Hyundai Elantra GT N-line and I might upgrade to a base model WRX, unfortunately both the STI and Veloster N are kind of out of my budget. Carvana is offering almost 4k more than what I paid originally for the car. Great comparison video, looked very accurate and fair, and I appreciate keeping one camera angle per run.
What about a focus ST/RS?
Yikes I sold my wrx after having it for 2 weeks luckily only lost 2k but in my 2 weeks of ownership the base model wrx is really limited anything after 4K rpm’s it goes into limp mode. I now have the Elantra gt n line hatch and honestly by far a much better drive overall but that’s just my opinion just though I should comment because I thought it was funny that I did the opposite of what you’re trying to do lol.
@@jiujiubeans all you have to do is do a stage 1 tune to eliminate rev hang and the limp issue after 4k, also they fixed that issue for the 2020 models.
also like the other commenter said, the focus st is a great car too, you can find them for around 15k and get lots of power out of them
I'm in an Fa20 WRX pushing 425hp stock block and turbo. Do not let this clown who owned the WRX for .5 seconds.
The WRX is the much better car out of the 3. With just a tune and a turbo back exhaust you're faster than any stock STI wishes it could be.
The only downfall is anyone who has a 2015.5 + got the shittier suspension while mine came with the STI suspension. Just upgrade the car slowly over time and you'll have a car that's much more capable than an STI for much less money
Hyundai will pull on the roll. It traps 105 mph in the 1/4. STI traps 101-103
Are you serious? 105? DCT-N?
@@rockefelleragent1357 that’s what car and driver recorded. 4.8 0-60 - 13.4@105mph
@@F80mthree whoa… I used to ignore these things in traffic. I still do, but I used to, too.
Pretty impressive given FWD hot hatch.. I’m extremely guilty of ignoring the Golf R as well and they are crazy quick. These comparisons have been rather sobering.
@@F80mthree That's craziness...
That’s with roll-out, so it doesn’t really count.
We need more N videos!
Tuned vs untuned
Dct vs manual
Tuned manual vs dct
Dct N vs focus RS
Throw the R in the mix ..
The DCT made the difference
Impossible! It's definitely not the car! The Subaru driver doesn't know how to drive a Manual transmission. 😔 what about the Dccd controller? Wondering if He had it set on automatic.
Man I can’t wait till I pickup my Veloster N DCT. Truly a fun car and I love the looks and Technology🔥🔥
It's not the STI transmission it's the driver....
Veloster gonna hand out the sauce.
Gapplebee's ...eating good in the neighborhood.
😂
@@ThinkfreeorDie yessir
You know you blew the launch when an awd car doesn’t get 2 cars on a front wheel drive by end of second gear
Obviously you can't manage the manual shifting of gears
Just bought my 2022 veloster n DCT and I can't stress how much video's do NOT do it justice. If i could go back in time i would chose the veloster every time!
I did not know I needed to watch this until I watched it! That SURGE on every gear change in the N is CRAZY! I bet it feels absolutely SAVAGE when you're driving it. Great Video! I will buy this car when I find a white one in AZ. When I went the dealer they only had the black one.
Dude what? It’s just a DCT, a normal gear shift, there’s no surge…the manual STI just drops back because it’s, manual.
@@MWCRUSADER0508 No there is a surge. I've watched many videos if not all of them for the VN and thats what the NGS button helps with. The pops from the exhaust is anti-lag and when it shifts gears that power drops onto if causing a surge forward. Look at the video carefully when the subaru is not changing gears and you will see it.
@@georgevigil7001 George I have a dsg (dct) and what you feel is no drop in acceleration while shifting and each gear change feels really solid.
@@georgevigil7001 No, the Veloster N does not "surge" on upshifts. What you're seeing is an artificial hard shift that Hyundai put in to make it feel nice and engaging. My C63 AMG has this as well and other AMGs do too. In my car, this is not activated when in comfort mode, which may be the same thing for the Veloster N.
@@jts400hp Is it from the VN or are you driving a different car? DSG BMW?
For drag, it's best to use the base STI with the 18's, no sunroof, no harmen audio and no wing. I think that should help since you'll save quiet a bit of weight.
All the sti have Harmen audio dude even base model. But yeah ur right as light as possible
Impressed the N did well on the dig
Try revving the Subaru to about three grand and dumping the clutch and when you shift, power shift. Every time you shift gears the H is pulling a car on you.
DCT is impressive! Also helps N driver is about 130lbs lol.
That granny shifting cost you the race every time ⏲
I'm not saying it would change the outcome but we need someone who knows how to actually launch cars because your launches aren't very good
I'm loving my 2021 Veloster n DCT!
I’m not surprised by the outcome. The Subaru is a cow of a car. Also, automatics are becoming quicker than manual cars because of the technology within them. However. Which car are you going to have more fun off road, in the dirt, mud and snow? And saying that you can drive a MT vehicle gets you a pat on the back and a job at valet parking.
Automatics have been quicker than Manuel's since the mid 2000's bro.
Sti driver just wasn’t accustomed with the car enough. Also kind of favoriting Hyundai with the DCT transmission since the guy in the Subaru clearly isn’t comfortable with the car. Launch was bad, shifts where probably bad too. Looks like he wasn’t staying in the boost between shifts (early shifting)? 2018+ models are a fulls second slower to 60 with the addition of the electronic diff anyways.
If someone told me 10 years ago that there will be a day where you could buy a 35k Hyundai hatch that would outrun an STi, I would have died laughing.
Take it back 18 years ago you might have been abit young to remember the 2001, 2002 Hyundai Tiburon small block V6 with the 6 speed manual could give the impreza some competition back then and that's no laughing matter, just that they discontinued it and the impreza's get more powerful as time passed
@@joebrown9621 remember the Hyundai Genesis coupe
What if I had told you there would be an electric 4 door sedan for 100k that could absolutely EMBARRASS the fastest super cars on the planet??
Crazy times to be alive right now
@@robertburton8055 100k? You have a discount because I would hit that buy now button asap!
@@robertburton8055 the EV6 GT is going to be crazy!
I'll call my grandpa he can shift better than this
Is this going on right now?
Sti gains proformance and reaction time after installing accessport and shines after proformance mod. Sti throttle respond is probably it's biggest weakness and 2nd gear hanging
I was thinking about buying an N but my focus ST3 was so cheap ($12k w/ 30k miles) and is paid off. I think I’d rather put the money for mods. I’ll give it a year especially since the N has those new bucket seat. Open to other’s thoughts.
Edit: I also, with todays market, got a $21k trade in offer for my ST which is very convincing
I liked this race a lot! I could tell you are enjoying it too! Maybe we can get GLI vs STI? Haven’t seen a GLI vid for many months now. Hope u don’t hate us :(
Wow can’t wait to see the Kona N could do now
The way the veloster just moves forward everytime it shifts is so cool
Subaru needs a driver mod
I feel Takumi Fujiwara from Initial D would have shifted wayyy better in the STI. Hahaha!!! 😄
I love the Veloster N but went with a 2022 BRZ. It was a little cheaper plus I want to play with RWD for a while, but darn the DCT in the Veloster is pretty amazing. I was surprised at this result but probably shouldn’t have been.
The 2022 BR-Z is just slow. Subaru needs to add a turbo and bump up the output to 300 HP or add AWD.
@@applepoop10 it's not for speed
And no to AWD it would at weight.Go drive one or a Miata and see how much fun you're going to have,it's not always about hp but how the car communicates the inputs while you are driving.
Good choice David 👍🏻
@@michaelfont7239 I’m with you on this. My driving outlet is autocross, not drag racing. I want to learn RWD dynamics and think the twins have great bang for the buck.
@@aroundomaha listen i had a 2018 Miata with e85 and it was a blast,with the introduction of the twins i am picking up the GR 86. I've driven fast cars and they just don't do it for me,there is nothing like a rwd, light car and of course a manual transmission.
You make very good and interesting drag race videos, the best on UA-cam 👍 A drag race Hyundai Kona N against Subaru WRX STi would be interesting.
Kona N have the Subaru STi for fun too!!!
As a WRX owner, the lust for a Veloster N DCT is real...
Are you not flat foot shifting? It looks like you are shifting slow the amount of ground you’re losing on each shift.
Subaru and Acura disappointed me big time smh
What kind of shifting is that by the guy driving the STI
If I was closer id like to go up against the veloster N in my Dsg Golf R
Maybe from a Roll it'll be closer but a dig would go to the R.
R would demolish
@Renntech no it doesn’t. You are referring to MANUAL timings of the GOLF R. Which runs 4.8 and 13.4. Why don’t u go look at MANUAL veo timing if u want to be bias. The GOLF R does 4.6 seconds at 13.2 on a good day and will smack any N. The trap speed won’t matter since the R Will still reach that 105 much faster than the N will. There is already videos of the golf R smacking the Type R and on this channel the DCT N lost badly to the type R
@Renntech that’s paper timing. The Golf r would put gaps on the N. Not a drivers car? You are so silly. You do know the Golf R is rated as one of the best over all hatches. Way higher than the silly N. And if u wanna get super technical you are comparing a 9 year old platform to a new platform with a DCT. Because you know if u DARED compare the N to the New golf R as it should be compared there would be NO chance. The N is still behind to a 8 year old platform let alone the new one
@Renntech all the valid journalists and car reviewers have the Golf R leagues above the N. Keep trying.
love ur vids keep em coming
the view is better！can see whats going on
It was pretty obvious people.. power to weight ratio was similar, so it came down to shifting and nowday's DCT is waaaaay faster than the manual transmission.
Even with the manual the veloster would win. Stock Sti's are over rated. The veloster N is drastically UNDER rated. The launch on the STI was pretty soft here. They can take much more abuse than that, bit the WRX cannot. The update of the WRX\STI cant come soon enough. The FA20 in the WRX was underpowered, and that EJ was ready to retire a long time ago.
You didn’t see previous video? Sti beat manual no issue
@@higherarc0598 I will have to go back and look. From all the media outlets that reviewed both versions on the veloster N the DCT is only a couple tenths quicker in a 1\4 mile. If the STI beat the manual version this shouldnt have been the blowout that it was.
yeah the VN is still, and seemingly will continue to be available in both DCT and manual. Not sure why you said the new model is DCT only, unless you are referring to the Kona N.
Sti was never meant for this type of driving. It was built for the track and backroads.
How dare you compare hyundai to sti ... I smoke most sports cars with my 06 sti with np!!!!
Sti needs a driver mod.
I like the speed but I live where there is snow and there’s no replacement for AWD.
I hope you redo it with the new Wrx Sti when it releases.
Power to weight ratio being nearly equal the car with DCT will be hard to beat. Never much drop in power being applied since the next gear is pre-selected before the upshift giving very rapid upshift.
Let me race the Hyundai!!!! I smoke the doors off those cars all the time.
Typically a modern DCT will walk an equally paired 6 speed rival. No surprise here at all. STI platform is a fucking dinosaur but will always hold a special place in the hearts of those of us who have owned one.
Good race. Where did you get the vest?
In Montreal at F1 Store
You should have had somebody else drive the Subaru wrx sti, preferably somebody who is familiar with the gears. There was no justice here only mediocre driving at best.
Spool the turbo on the launch geeeeeez!
You never miss my guy. You're going to blow up and the channel is gonna be huge. Keep it coming
I'd love to see Veloster n dct vs Focus rs ❤️
That man has got to practice his launch on the STI. He should be killing the Veloster off the line.
I have been a Subaru enthusiastic since the late 90s and having owned a 2004 sti when they first arrived in the United States. It was the highed of Subaru. Winning all those wrc titles . Fast forward to today. The available horse power hasn't changed that much and the cars design has taken a nose dive. The PowerPlant ej25 has been a wonderful motor capable of tons of horse power. Just Subaru didn't make the most of it. I payed 32,000 for my 2004 sti brand new. The horsepower never went up just the sticker price .
its crazy because Hyundai is now winning all of these trc races... crazy how times have changed & Subaru didn't.
That dual clutch in the N doesnt screw around. Nice driving from you man. Seems like you tried everything but at the end the Veloster spanked the Sti
It can't be the battle of the hatches when the STI is a sedan.🤣
You are the best channel ever. On stressful days, your channel brings a nice ease into people’s mind with amazing races like this video! Both cars surprised me. Can we please get the ecoboost vs GLI next! I’m so excited for it
Thank you
You guys should race the Subaru Sti vs Corolla GR
Hyundai always in front ❤️🤗
Hmm really? My grandmother would have won in that AT against the worlds worst manual stick driver... 🙄😂
A good (read average) driver would have won easily in the Sti... If he only would have launched correctly 🤦🏻♂️
It make a lot of sense, on dry surface will be FWD with less than 350 hp always quicker. Smaller losses in drive train and so on. With more power should be FWD screwed.
On other hand, on snow, wet, dirt surface can AWD stretch her legs and win.
If anyone thought that Subaru was going to win clearly doesn’t know the crack that Hyundai and Kia have been smoking lately. K5 GT flogs V6 cars. I’d say take the K5 GT and Sonata N-Line to the dyno and you’ll see they’re lying about their HP output. There’s absolutely NO WAY 291hp is that fast
The transmissions and torque curves are where they make up for horsepower.
Both struggles to put the power down, in a consistent manner. Sometimes its just spinning tires and cars not moving as much as they needed to be. Both lacks a LSD also.
The K5 GT almost kept up with the Stinger GT AWD in roll race that tells us how retarded fast the K5 GT is....
@@RedlineGaming007 Kia not putting an LSD in the K5 is why I'm not considering it anymore. It just spins the whole time on launch. I'm waiting on the Elantra N to come out, pretty sure I'm going to buy one.
@@rockefelleragent1357 I just wish it had an LSD
Wait what car did the other guy pick? I couldn't understand him lol
The STi should've launched much harder than that, also you need to be shifting much better than that..
Not a knock on Sam, but his shifting is a tad bit off. The STI's manual does take some getting used to though.
It may be close to 1/8 but not after
The STI's launch was pretty poor though, you can 100% launch that STI without worry, their STI 6 speed transmission can handle over 3 times the factory power and twice the torque. Gearing is fine, just need to actually drive the car 😂
But not the axel bro 😅
The WRX STI is the most over rated car ever! Their engines are trash and it takes so much money just to get a simple 400HP!
finally someone with a brain stis and subies are the worlds shittest cars
I think the veloster n was built to compete more with the wrx and golf gtis. Very impressed by the outcome.especially for a fwd car
Hyundai continues to impress.
In the last 18 years the STI has gained less then 30 hp, it used to beat alot of cars. Now it loses to Hyundai and honda 2.0t . Gas mileage hasn't improved much as well.
If you know the history of STI, you know they never built for horsepower war or drag race. Cars like EVO and STi are WRC inspired performance car, all about grips and handling. they still have best AWD system even on today's market considering how old the platform they are based.
이제 벨로스터N보다 성능이 업된 아반떼가 나왔으니 점점 재밋어 지겠구만
Can you try Audi q5 2021 vs mercedes glc 2021 ?
Perfect reason why manuals are dying. They are not build speed, just for driving exp
Some may argue standard manual transmissions may have better longevity as well in addition to the experience.
@@ashesofourpast yep, reliability is higher since it's less moving parts, especially beefing it up for more power
hello obviously nobody on earth fas if he is the best of the best pilots he will make manual changes faster than a double clutch box and how do you want to beat the veloster if he would say toreto that you made the changes worse than his grandmother and if he clearly knows see how you make changes very fast and at low revolutions for that is the red line to calculate make the change when you arrive but finally hazing again from (expert) 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤭🤭🤭🤭