I feel like everyone is getting this wrong
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- I want to take some time to talk about Sabine and her character arc, including what it feels like everyone is getting wrong.
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You gotta respect Baylan for actually keeping his word. Makes him fun to watch.
RIP... I absolutely loved Baylan in the first few episodes and then found out the actor died and that just hurt.
@@spursamn same
@@spursamnhoping he either gets a great conclusion, or they can get an actor to who can fill his shoes with both great acting and likeness. Baylan has such great nuance as a villain as he has a sense of honor, loyalty, values. He believes what he is doing is the right thing than for personal power it gain.
Tbh I won't be surprised if he ditches Sabine in the other Galaxy saying that he promised to unite her with Ezra but that doesn't mean in the main Galaxy.
Never trust a villain, they will always dance around their own morals to get what they want.
Ashoka did say “I don’t need her to be a Jedi, I need her to be herself” to which Huyang replies: “I suppose you do come from a long line of unconventional jedi.” He was probably referring to Kenobi, Anakin, and Ahsoka. maybe even Qui Gon. Jedis used to be more free thinkers before they became like a religion and political
Sabine's characterization in the first few episodes, knowing what was revealed about her family, feels like a very earnest and nuanced take on depression, at least as far as I can tell based on my own experiences. Her acting so irrational, aloof, and detached from everyone else really resonated with me.
Depressed people are not irrational- that’s a disgusting thing to say. You ought to be ashamed of yourself
i chocked it up to sabine being dick sick for ezra....🤷
@@polyestermammoth740depends on the person, I had many moments I'd describe as irrational.
@@polyestermammoth740 that’s not what I meant at all. Depressed people tend to act irrationally. To be depressed is not irrational
@polyestermammoth740 I mean I've gone through depression, I've definitely made my share of irrational choices during that time...I mean to me they weren't irrational choices, but to outsiders yeah
So to me OP's comment is pretty spot on
Another thing everyone seems to be missing is how Baylan brought up Ahsoka's history, and how he seemed disappointed with her later acts. When she drew her saber, he seemed kind of sad, calling it inevitable. He mentioned how her legacy was one of death and destruction, and later how their fight didn't have to happen. _Ahsoka_ made it happen, not him. She "knows no other way". In all her years, with all her experience, she never learned how to _not_ fight.
There also the bit where Huyang tells them to stick together, and how they've always done better that way. And then they didn't, and see what happens? I haven't seen anyone catch that in ANY reaction video, or even comments on UA-cam or Reddit. Everyone seems to have missed Huyang's foreshadowing.
That’s a fallacy on Baylans part. He’s gaslighting her. What other option would have stopped him from allowing Morgan to go get Thrawn and start a war? I’m pretty sure he was not going to be talked out of it , and ofc he knew that.
He forced the fight by doing all of these things up until then, and knowing Ahsoka would try and stop him.
I have noticed they aren't following Huyang's advice the moment Sabine began following Shin and not sticking to Ashoka. Their second chance to redeem themselves and follow advice was, when Ashoka was done with what was, probably by witchcraft, a resurected inquisitor. Together they would obliterate Shin in a minute. She doesn't stand a chance against them both.
@@joshuacollins9316I actually think Baylan will have some interesting ideas and would have been open to talking about how they could figure something out, but Ahsoka didn't even try. Obviously he's the bad guy, but I'm curious to find out what happened to Ahsoka in the years since rebels ended and if Baylan's words have any merit
Me and my partner facepalmed when they ran off in different directions... like c'mon guys, he literally just said "Stay together" 😅
@@ohzenn for sure!
* Taking note * Attachment = Lungs don’t work so well
anakin forgor to go to class when they taught this lesson
Cyber-lungs go Ooooh... *BRRRRRRRRR.*
@@ChA0s_AgeNt Cyber-lungs go COHHHH-PSSHHHH
Cyber-spleen vents like 'M'mmad *BRUUUH* '...
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*edit* BriceBruh, don't stay mad; it's unhealthy...
You'll wind up giving yourself a ruble-attack.
No... Attachment has two paths..... One of which is healthy, productive, and constructive Passion... The other of which, is unhealthy, regressive, and destructive Obsession.....
The path of Obsession will lead to ruin...
The path of Passion will lead to salvation...
The decision she made was VERY Mandalorian. They value family and attachments
my thoughts exactly it would nice to see her slip back to her early mando days and just f the Jedi
So she felt she had the right to potentially sacrifice EVERYONE else`s family (because it will cause a war), to save her own? How noble of her. I wonder how that will protect everyone else she now cares about...
@@peace_love_unitytbh I think she doesn’t care right now. She just wants to be back by his side. Imo She’s pretty confident that she can handle anything as long as she’s with Ezra again.
Looking at the dynamism of how love and friendship work. It’s deep. And it’s really interesting to see how she develops herself as a mandalorian, who happens to be ashokas padawan too.
@@peace_love_unity I mean ... We watch the same trope all over media. You ever play a JRPG?? The heroes always do something similar 🤣🤣
@@peace_love_unityshe isn't planning on going along with thrawn or any of that she just wants to get the Ezra I'm sure in her mind she will get to Ezra free him and then they'll find a way to stop the thrawn together
the actress who plays Sabine did a wonderful job conveying her internal struggle during the scene with Balon. i think she also did a great job conveying how she realized immediately after giving the orb to him that she made a huge mistake... great stuff
I was really sad to hear that Sabine's family died, and I understand why she wants to reunite with Ezra
To bang?
@@polyestermammoth740their siblings
@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMSno they aren't
@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMSIt’s a brother sister type relationship they have, even Ezra said she was like a sister to him.
@@overland1178I mean, (to preface, I’m fine with them being romantic or platonic) I don’t think Ezra would leave Sabine a love confession note on what was essentially his will, he as well was doing the nervous scratching behind the head while saying that which makes me think he wasn’t being honest there.
Talking about the different meanings of "fallen jedi", there is also the fact that Ahsoka literally falls off a cliff in the episode...
I'd be interested to see Sabine meet Din, Bo Katan, and all the other Mandalorians. Given her orphan status, it would probably mean a lot to her to see that Mandalorian culture has survived and they're working on reclaiming Mandalore. I'd also love to hear if The Armorer has any fun tidbits to say about Clan Wren.
the armourers demeinour and tone of voice is very similar to Ursa Wren when you compare both side by side
Bo and sabine already met and sabine is the one who gave bo darksaber
@@Lazzah101but she isn't Ursa. Sabine family died during mandalore purge which happened shortly after rebels mandalore arc
@@darklordvader66 what if Ursa went into exile (like yoda after he was defeated by palpatine) and changed her mindset to restore the old way, Baylan could just be misleading Sabine to convince her to join him on this journey, as there was no confirmation or hints (ie somber music) when he spoke about her families death? Idk just a theory
She might not want to be around other Mandalorians since that reminds her of her loss
Well said Eck. I felt sad hearing that Sabine lost her family. No doubt in the night of a thousand tears.
She lost some of them from the empire using a weapon of her own design.
@@johnathanwalker8395She destroys The Duchess before it can be used to kill her parents or brother before the events of the OT. They probably perished during the Night of a Thousand Tears.
I am not so sure, Baylan said “your family died in Madalore because your master didn’t trust you”
It’s the one chance Sabine has to getting to Ezra… I thought it was cold, but I completely understand. She’s putting the ultimate trust in herself to pull this off and absolutely love it.
Also at this point she would be 100% right to believe ahsoka just died
Ultimately, it appears the strain in the relationship between Sabine and Ahsoka comes down to not fully trusting each other. They both assume the other dies as soon as they get out of sight.
@@WellBattle6 they should of stuck together...they might of done better that way
Yes!
@@WellBattle6 for Sabine now it’s about her fulfilling Ahsoka promise of “can I count on you” and for Ahsoka she loves that girl very much.
It took a lightsaber a few seconds to destroy the map. If she’d shot it, the same thing would’ve happened but Sabine would be dead. Now she can make sure she gets to Thrawn and Ezra unharmed.
definitely will of the force
She didn't know that, but throughout the scene I did keep thinking that if she fired, there was a decent chance she was going to take a few of her fingers off.
I think the fact is when push comes to shove, I would have done the same thing as Sabine. If I had a lover, best friend or family, in the same situation as Ezra I would probably make a risk like Sabine just because I would falter and let emotions get the better of me.
Plus had she actually destroyed it or attempted to Baylan would've just killed her or let Shin go ham, this way she can at least wait for an opportunity to mess up their plans and ensure that even if Thrawn comes back Ezra has a chance to come back to
Same. Ahsoka should know this. Considering attachment saved the Galaxy. Although sabines attachment is obsessive, like anakins.
Attachment didn't save the galaxy, unconditional and selfless love did that.@@StrykeSZN
I likely would’ve done the same, especially if she thinks Ahsoka is dead. She has no reason not to go with them. Only problem is now they can just use Sabine as leverage over Ezra.
sabine isnt obsessed with ezra@@StrykeSZN
Finding Ezra is part of it for sure, but if she had destroyed the map, Baylan would have killed her. Sure her situation isn’t ideal with her captured and the map in the enemy’s hands, but she is still alive and can still hopefully turn the situation around.
Idk, after how long it took that saber to go through the map i don't think she could have destroyed it before baylan killed her
@@krefix222she couldn't have known that though.
Her choice was die now and hope her final act ruined the enemy plans, or live, learn more, and fight later on more favorable terms.
She also wouldn’t have destroyed the map. It took baylons lightsaber like 5seconds of continuous discharge on the map to break it. Her blaster wouldn’t have scratched it
Baylan also was charismatic, respectful, and reasonable.
@@Strongpoint_SDark side mind reading/manipulation tricks certainly helped him on that front.
As a famous Klingon woman once said,
"If you cannot say what you mean, say nothing at all."
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“Clones, you may be. But the force resides in all lifeforms. Use it you can, to quiet your mind.”
~Master Yoda, E1S1 Star Wars the Clone Wars.
Had they not been interrupted right after that, we could've had Clones learning how to use the Force.
Can't and won't fault Sabine for giving into Baylan's persuasion. She was in on this mission to find Ezra first over anything else. There was no way she was gonna follow through with destroying the map.
also just, baylan was very persuasive there
and while he may be a dark jedi, he does seem to be a man of honour
@@airrider-jk9ik Baylan 100% has the vibe of, pretty ironically, a chivalrous Knight even if he is a dark jedi. Comparatively, the actual Jedi Master/Knight Ahsoka pretty much instantly went to hostilities with him and didn't seem at all interested in diplomacy from the outset. Baylan did not even draw his saber until a fight was inevitable.
Also, Baylan actually gives off the aura of caring even a little bit for what Sabine wants and definitely has shown a lot more affection towards his apprentice than 99% of dark side force users we've seen. So that certainly influenced things I feel.
@lyon2475 Aye. This series does a good job at showing the contrast between a Light Jedi, Dark Jedi and Sith Lords. Baylan might be a possible Dark Jedi, but he isn't high off his emotions 100% of the time like a Sith would be.
@@lyon2475 Lol, you seem easy to manipulate
@lyon2475 I've definitely gotten that vibe from him, even from his first appearance. He only attacked the NR guards AFTER the Capt. tried to detain them, and even then, it wasn't with the same zeal and bloodlust that other dark side adepts display on the attack.
Actually, now that I think about it, the only time he's used the dark side, used the Force to hurt people, was that one NR guard he choked. I'm not even sure they fit into our current understanding of Light and Dark, which makes them even more compelling.
That moment with the wrist rocket was such a gotcha moment. For her and for the fanbase as a whole that were too focused on it and didn't see it coming. Along the Marrok faje out fans created themselves (me included ngl) made me forget that a certain someone would be in this show. I was too focused on something else to remember. Good show so far. Looking forward to next episode. Specially cause I have no idea what could happen now. Anything goes right now.
This is exactly right. Ahsoka needs a sidekick to watch her back, and as Huyang said, "That's the job of a padawan". It's important that Sabine understand the ways and fighting styles of the Jedi, if nothing more than to understand better Ahsoka's fighting style and better support her. The battle outside the ship was a perfect example of this partnership.Sabine clearly resents Ahsoka giving up on her, and regardless of her future as a Jedi, Ahsoka is trying to remedy that by re-engaging as her Master, and training her, even if there will be limits to her growth in some areas.
Well Sabine can’t fall to the dark side because she can’t even use it in the first place. That is why I believe that Ahsoka chose to train her because she can’t end up as another Darth Vader.
Idk the dark side is "easier" to use so Sabines small connection to the Force could be amplified with dark side....
Look at this dude, thinking only the Jedi can turn to the Dark Side. As if there aren't people with zero midichlorians living on this very planet who are definitely agents of the Dark Side.
@@AbjectPermanenceStar Wars is fiction lol he’s talking about force sensitives typically being the only ones able to be influenced by the dark side.
I feel its the opposite.
What little power Sabine has seems to come *from* the Dark Side. That is likely why Ahsoka walked away and why Huyang says she would NOT be considered for Jedi training whatsoever. If one's purpose was evaluating people over 1000+ years, you probably know who is likely a good candidate and who is likely a *bad* candidate
@@joshuacollins9316Clearly someone doesn't understand thematic messaging.
Palpatine isn't bad because he uses the Force to hurt people, he's bad because he's selfish, arrogant, and given over to an all consuming lust for power, and there are ABSOLUTELY people in real life who fit that bill.
Sabine was in a pretty hard spot in that scene where she gave the map to Baylan. As he said, she's lost her family and only really has Ezra left. Sabine didn't know if there was anyone else coming to help, so she went with her heart. Yes it's a bad choice, but as she said once in Rebels to Ezra. If they're together, they have a chance.
I loved Sabine's fall and you seeing how it clearly destroyed her after.
I hope we get to see more of Baylan being a 'bad guy with a code of honor'. That's the vibe I'm getting from him. He's no longer a Jedi, but he's not a Sith and is not a rabid believer in the Dark Side or anything like that. He's stated or acknowledged on two occasions that he keeps his word, and we've seen him do so. He's also said or hinted that he's not eager to kill Ashoka saying it would be a "shame" to do so. That's why I feel like he's being built up as a "bad guy who has a code of honor". Question is: will we see him struggle with that code when one of the other villains, perhaps Morgan, tries to order him to do something that violates that code?
Sabine made the correct decision. She had no idea how close the bad guys were to getting what they wanted from the map. She had no idea how much destroying the map would hinder their plans. She had no idea when or if hera would show up with reinforcements. She believed Ahsoka was dead and she knew she could not win against Balon.
Her choice was a potentially heroic death or to live and be in a position to learn more about the enemy and fight them later on her own terms.
If she had no idea the best you can do it's play safe and prevent anyone to do anything by destroying the map
no, if give map, thrawn returns, if destroy map, thrawn never return, and you also disprove your own point too in your explanation, where you reptetively use the phrase 'she had no idea' bla bla bla, and thus since she had no idea and the idea of thrawn returning is far worse than saving ezra is good, thus she couldnt rely on the small chance that hera would show up in time (or if she would show up at all), which is like buying a lottery ticket that kills you if you dont win. and you also contradict yourself again in your comments in 'she knew she could not win against baylan' and 'fight them later on her own terms'. if she cant fight them on seatos, how the fuck is she supposed to find favourable circumstances later on when shes A. handcuffed B. faced against 2 dark side lightsaber swinging behemoths whom she cant even 1v1 the weak apprentice on equal grounds as well as an entire crew in the hyperspace ring and a nightsister imperial witch that could hold her own against ahsoka in the mandalorian show and C. she has to somehow overcome all of these enemies (without help btw) before they find thrawn whos fleet and whatever else is on the other side would give her even worse odds? your comment makes absolutely 0 sense and the motive of the very episode was also clearly to show that she didnt have the strength to resist what was meant to be OBVIOUS to all viewers over the age of 5 years old (so excluding you) was a bad decision
@@upisntdownsilly another good example of don't ask questions. Just consume product and then get excited for next product 😂
@@NL-X She only had her blaster on the map. Can one blaster bolt destroy the map when Baylan had to hold his lightsaber on the map for several seconds to heat up the map enough to destroy it. Because Sabine thought she had lost all of her family, she may have in the back of her head, if she goes with them to the other galaxy, but then prevents them from returning with Thrawn, the she just allowed 2 dark jedi and a powerful Nightsister get stuck in another galaxy with Thrawn. At least then she would still be able to see Ezra one last time.
@@drumsofberk she didn't know the 1st thing. We the audience knew about it later. That would've made more sense to me, that she attempted to destroy the map but couldn't. 2nd. Ezra sacrified himself to defeat Thrawn. She knew how dangerous he was, she fight him herself. If she has 2 brain cells she would be smart enough to know that giving the not just Thrawn but the Empire a chance to return would not only throw all of Ezra's sacrifice to the trash, but the whole civil war against the Empire. And 3rd. As we know so far, they doesn't know if either Thrawn or Ezra are alive, they're just gambling that they are. It's obvious they are for us the audience, but the characters don't see their story in 3rd person. If she had common sense she would not even take the chance to even let the Empire, the ones that destroyed her family, to return.
People is so blinded by a cgi Anakin cameo than they don't see the poor writting of this show
seeing how long that lightsaber took to destroy the map, her blaster probably wouldn't have done more than shoot it out of her hands, then she would have died. Also, i really wanted to see her use a flamer on her foe, just to see the meme come to life.
2 things: 1. I don't think that the purge of Mandalore necessarily meant that all of Sabine's family died, given their seat was on a different planet. If Bo-Katan's castle survived the purge, theirs could have too. 2. Is it possible for Baylan to have been using Jedi mind tricks on Sabine? Given her attachment to Ezra, I don't think it would be hard to use the force to give her the extra bit of nudge in the direction he wants.
1. Clarification definitely needed but will probably get it in an interview.
2. I also had the feeling Baylan was subtly influencing Sabine's decision, nothing as obvious as a mind trick but it's shown that he's adept at the more subtle mental arts of being a jedi so it's a possibility.
Krownest is home to Clan Wren, an ice planet like hoth in the mandlore sector, good points
@@collecter343just like how darth bane was subtly reaching into Lord Kaan’s mind to influence his decisions. those with the force can most definitely use it to manipulate, such as the way of the dark side.
@@Lazzah101Clan Wren had been on Mandalore since the Empire arrived.
I prefer to put people like Sabine and Chirrut Imwe into a seperate category I think of as "force conscious" versus "force sensitives". Even Han Solo may be a good fit for it with his achievements and semi force ghost appearances. I think of it sort of as "force sensitives" tend to be top tier fighters, pilots, scientists, engineers etc. All of their base talents seemingly get turned up to 11. If they would have been a mediocre pilot, they become good. Great pilots lengendary. Bad fighters good, good fighters sublime, and legendary fighters one man armies. And this seems to extend to all of their talents. Jedi seem to have their skill floor capped as "good" at everything with natural talents then elevated to legendary heights.
I think of "force conscious" people as only getting one or two of these boosts versus all of them. It explains that Sabine has the "lowest potential of any jedi candidate" but Ahsoka is still trying. Perhaps Sabine has the general skill boost that a Jedi would have, but its so low level that only her natural talents for things like art, fighting, engineering became great. Meanwhile, natural fighters like Imwe or natural pilots like Han got a "full Jedi skill boost" but only for one talent. The "force conscious" have raised their skill ceilings, but the skill floors remain low for lack of a better term. They dont get to start with 5 free points to get to 11, but they also CAN get there unlike the majority of the galaxy
Better terminology would probably be force sensitive being chirrut and Sabine , and Force Alterers being people who can modify the force's existence to make things happen
I like this interpretation. It’s been a thing since ESB that the force resides in all things but I think some people assume everyone can just become as powerful as Yoda or Anakin by trying hard and I think that’s the wrong idea. Not that trying hard is bad or anything but it’s the equivalent of being in the Harry Potter universe and having a muggle start casting spells because they worked at it. I think there should be a line between people who aren’t really force conscious, force conscious people Like Chirrut and maybe Sabine, and people like Luke and Anakin. I like the force aspect of Star Wars but I also like the other types of characters like smugglers, rogues, bounty hunters, Mandalorians, etc. I don’t think everyone needs to be a Jedi or potentially a Jedi to be cool
I think you hit it on the head my guy, but I think Sabine & Chiruut should be Force sensitive and Jedi & Sith Force adepts.
Any person can open themselves up and feel/hear the Force around and within them, Force sensitive, but only a few can wield it, Force adepts.
Going with your skill point analogy, both can spec into passive skill boosts, precognition, enhanced speed/reflexes, etc., but only Force adepts can spec into actual Force abilities, lightning, telekinesis, etc.
Love Sabine in this show and the actress is awesome in the role. Sabine is going through a lot and I feel very connected to her.
I didn't have any problems with Sabine give Baylon the sphere. It made totall sense in the situation for Sabine trying to play the long term planning of try to get Ezra back but twart Trawns return.
Also Sabine has lost and sacrifice so much in her life that her giving into Baylon's speach makes her very human and relate able to most people. She has lost so much, she's afraid of losing anyone else she loves.
What's funny is that, not so long ago, Ahsoka would've made a similar choice as Sabine. They're very much similar characters, just at VERY different stages in their lives. That's likely why Ahsoka wants to train her. She can feel her potential, but can also see herself in Sabine (her more snippy, headstrong, attached self).
Besides, I'm pretty sure Ezra (if he's not evil now), will be disappointed in Sabine, and that's all the scolding she needs.
Tbh would be cool to see Sabine turn to the dark side…heck even romantically involved with Shin! Shin-Bine anyone? Shin-Wren?
Shin-Bine sounds so weird!😂 Sabine turning dark (even for a little bit) would be cool to see. And perhaps Ezra saves her from its temptations? As any little brother would do.
the second i saw Sabine hold her hand up in the trailer i immediately new she was going to use her vambraces, i was hoping to see her use the repulser but the little wrist rocket works as well. They probably avoided her using that as non rebels fans would have never seen a weapon like that before and might think she used the force. I love how Shin flinched in preparation to block Sabine's force attack, implying she presumed Sabine was force sensitive if Ahsoka was going to the trouble of training her.
I was literally whispering "give it to him. Give him the map" when that scene was playing out. It's such a breath of fresh air to see one of the "good guys" with an actual flaw in SW nowadays.
Missed opportunity to say 'Dew it!'
@@mattevans4377 There definitely was a "Do it"
My theory is she got caught on purpose. Maybe so she can send coordinates back or something? With Ahsoka down for the count what was she going to be able to do against them? There was no guarantee the blaster fire would even destroy the map. It took the lightsaber a while.
Lets be honest this is StarWars, fear of loss especially when it comes to those were close to (family) has been a rather consistent factor behind what we can consider poor choices.
YES. Such a great take. Becoming a better person and being the best version of yourself sounds like a great message for these slower tv vignettes.
Thats not what star wars is about never has been
@@davidordaz5251 Star Wars isn't about becoming a better person or being the best version of yourself?
@@williamrichards8682nope
WRONG
@@davidordaz5251how isn't it?
Sabine used the force against Shin! We can heard the force push sounds, but she is too much weak yet, so she only put Shin's face away.
The Force Slap - an ability some consider to be... unnatural
Much happier with Sabine's combat in this ep- she fights Shin as the Mandalorian she really is,with guns,gadgets & agility.Still have that Force slap to forgive,but as long as she doesn't go full Rey with abilities it should work.
No wonder Shin was angry. She got the Force Slap. Lucky she didn't get a Force Backhand too!
It seems a lot of people are missing the slight sounds of the force being used during their conversation (or I'm just crazy). I think she was both inclined to want to save Ezra, but also being kind of bad at using the force, he didn't have to force persuade her that hard if she already kind of wanted to do it.
Watch that scene with the wrist blaster again. There's a Force push sound and Sabine does shove Shin in the shoulder with the Force. It's distinctly there.
I feel like Baylan influenced, if not outright dominated her mind. If memory serves I thought I heard the *rumbling* noise that pops up when someone uses an active force power while they were talking, and he was staring daggers through her. It was a weakness of hers and he knew that, so it would have made her more suggestible to him based on that choice of argument.
I'm with you, but I don't think he needed to Force to convince her. I think that look and the rumbling were him "reading" Sabine through the Force, sensing her loneliness and desperation. I think he realized that he didn't need to do anything more than give her a little push to do what she wanted to do deep down, find Ezra.
@evanallen172 good point. He could have used "read surface thoughts" instead of affect/dominate mind and achieved the same result for less effort.
Another take on Ahsoka training Sabine in Jedi fashion is that the best way to learn to defend yourself against an enemy is to train as they do. Not only do you learn the techniques and combat styles… you also learn how they think. I think Ahsoka new she was going to need to depend on Sabine and needed her to be able to successfully fight off a “Jedi” trained warrior in the future.
I cannot stand when viewers just refuse to see it from a character's perspective, when they themselves know all the answers bc they are viewers
I think she just wants to provide Sabine with some guidance
"I am no Jedi." Obviously the memed line now... but Ahsoka was serious. Ahsoka isn't trying to remake the Jedi like Luke. She went her own path, so anyone she trains is going to be in a new style. Sabine fits it perfectly well.
Any Star Wars fan who hates Sabine for the decision she made seriously needs to get their head checked. The main character of Star Wars literally becomes the main villain of Star Wars, and everyone still loves him. If you can excuse Anakin becoming Darth Vader, but draw the line at a character making one poor decision during a moment of weakness, then Star Wars probably isn’t for you
You know, I get a different interpretation out of Sabine handing over the map. Ahsoka should have known that expecting Sabine and putting that pressure on Sabine to make the "right" decision in that situation was wrong. I think rather than reinforcing the theme that attachment is wrong, it has reinforced what I've always seen as the real message behind Episode 3: that these Jedi teachings and values are toxic. Sabine handed over the orb because Ahsoka had conditioned her to think that there were only two choices, because that was what she was taught. She made her choose between her friend and the fate of the galaxy. No one ever entertained the idea that there was a different choice to make, one that valued both the galaxy AND finding Ezra. Just like the Jedi forced Anakin to think that his only choices were to let Padme die or side with Palpatine.
This has always been my thing. I think that the possessive and extremely toxic attachments are bad but some people actually think the prequel Jedi were right which I never really agreed with either. It seems like the Jedi tend to have really black and white, all or nothing thinking and it’s not realistic. I’m hoping this show will bring a more nuanced look instead of just reinforcing the prequel Jedi dogma
The Jedi didn't force Anakin to think that his only choices were to let Padme die or side with Palpatine. PALPATINE did. Thrawn returning is a risk they shouldn't have to take
@@TerminaUltima The thing was too, the only reason people like Anakin developed such toxic attachments was *because* of the way the Jedi trained them. They took them away from their parents and raised them to be free of emotion. But you can't be a person and be free of emotion, and taking them away from one of the most important relationships in a child's life outright damages their ability to learn how to have healthy relationships. The most important relationship in a Jedi's life is their relationship with their master, a loveless relationship with someone completely unequipped to be a parental figure because they themselves grew up to be emotionally stunted by the teachings of their own masters.
In a tremendous irony... in trying to take away the root from which the dark side grows, the Jedi only succeeded in planting the seed. Anakin is the greatest example of their failure. They didn't take away Anakin's emotions by taking him from his mother, they only took away his ability to grow up and learn how to manage those emotions. And when Anakin relied on them in his moment of need for guidance, the best advice they could give him was just to not care.
Something that always stood out to me about the prequels is actually this moment of cringe dialogue in Episode 2 where Anakin talks about compassion and love. It's kinda hammy in its delivery, but the funny thing is that Anakin actually interpreted a healthier mindset for the Jedi to have. Not to fail to love, but to be able to love unconditionally. Unfortunately that isn't a skill any Jedi actually has, because they took them away from the biggest source of unconditional love anyone has in their entire life: their family.
I think what the Jedi failed to understand was that attachment isn't the problem, it's obsession and selfishness. And that by taking away the few people in a person's life outside of themselves that just about everyone loves, they only stimulate the growth of these traits, and a warped understanding of that emotion. They learn only of love which either only serves them or of love which only serves others, but they never learn of love that serves both of those things.
S-Sorry, I kinda went on a long diatribe there. Basically what I'm saying is I agree! This is what I love about the themes of Return of the Jedi and The Last Jedi so much. The prequel era Jedi were wrong, their teachings created Darth Vader. The future of the Jedi isn't returning to their past glory, it's learning from their mistakes and moving forward.
@@officialmonarchmusic No, Palpatine only took advantage of the existing vulnerability that the Jedi teachings created. The one who told Anakin those were the only two choices was never Palpatine, it was Yoda. Anakin goes to Yoda and Yoda straight up tells him that his only choices are to "let go of everything he fears to lose" or to fall to the dark side. That is not a choice that Palpatine created. Palpatine only takes one of the choices that Yoda presented and tells him that it's the one that lets his wife live.
Note by the way that your argument that "Thrawn returning isn't a risk they should have to take" is basically the same argument that caused the collapse of the Republic. The Republic thought the existence of the Confederacy was a risk they shouldn't have to take, the Jedi thought the Republic losing the civil war was a risk they shouldn't have to take. It's all inflexibility, an unwillingness to entertain new ideas or take risks for the greater good. The Jedi were even willing to violate their own values because of their inflexibility, considering the risk of the Republic's collapse to be of more importance than their role as peacekeepers. And that decision ultimately left them blind to the threat in their midst. In trying to protect the Republic, they allowed its collapse into fascism. They were more keen to preserve the Republic as an entity than what the Republic represented. The emotional core of what made it a boon to the galaxy. They prevented it, and themselves, from evolving. And all because they saw themselves as protectors of the status quo and not protectors of the peace. Because one is practical, and the other is emotional.
@@nikidelvalle Alright. Lot to dig into. Yoda never tells Anakin to let go. He tells Anakin to TRAIN HIMSELF for that moment, which is an inevitability, one way or another. People die. And in a war-torn galaxy, it can often come unexpectedly. Note that Yoda never says anything about "letting Padme (or indeed anyone) die". And he doesn't say that his other option is to "fall to the dark side", he is trying to help a young man with preemptive trauma response. Yes, Yoda's somewhat cold terminology is not great. But the base ideas were fine. It's PALPATINE who convinces Anakin that he needs his help to save her. PALPATINE who says that Padme will inevitably die.
The CIS, at least to the Republic's knowledge, is a neutral power, not at war with the Republic. The war started over Obi-Wan's capture and death sentence. And it was still not the Jedi who chose to start the war. You could MAYBE argue the Republic, or even the CIS. It has a very ambiguous and confusing start, not unlike that of WWI. Compare that to Thrawn. Thrawn is a warlord AND war criminal, and is objectively one of the greatest military minds in history, if not the greatest. The Empire really lost because of their division, though they are still ACTIVELY at war with the New Republic. Morgan Elsbeth has had several telepathic connections with Thrawn and is clearly intent on waging war against the NR herself so it is a VERY REASONABLE assumption
I genuinely think that handing over the map was the only choice Sabine had and that Baylin spared her. It took him several seconds of a lightsaber constantly heating the map to destroy it, Sabine’s blaster would’ve done nothing and had she tried to destroy it she would’ve ended up dead and achieved nothing.
I've lost someone I love. I would do far worse if it brought her back. Grief blinds. I understand her choice and thought it was great. It was a roll coaster for me going from Ezra wouldn't have wanted that to I would have done the same in a moment while watching. Great writing!
I seriously doubt anyone who's hating on the writing has ever had something happen to them
Sabine was put in a very difficult position. She's spent years looking for Ezra. Yes, she knew giving over the map was a bad decision, but she couldn't let go and give up on Ezra. It's easy to say say we'd have destroyed the map... but really, how many of us would have done what Sabine did in order to save a loved one? I just have to think, if it was my wife, the most important person in the world to me... could I have pulled the trigger?
The plural of the singular "Jedi" is also "Jedi". Therefore the title "Fallen Jedi" doesn't just refer to a single character in the episode. I'd argue it applies to all of the lightsaber users at the same time. I'm also liking the series more as it progresses. I was skeptical about the first two episodes, but 3 and 4 are better for me.
The German name of the episode confirms this, it is indeed multiple fallen jedi.
@@FireStormUnleashed Thanks, that's super interesting!!
I like your analysis of Ahsoka because many of the critics i read about this show are due to a superficial watch.
Ahsoka is not a deep show like Andor but it's not a superficial written one.
Dave Filoni did that in Clone Wars and Rebels where he did a great job at developing the characters.
Everytime I listen to eck speaks about " loving this and it is my favorite " this moment of thoughts is unwavering after this show have ended the hypocrisy is unleashed ...
I am all ways in a disarray how contagious these creators have changed during these past several years .
"The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together."
"You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship."
If Lucasfilm and been able to make the Clone Wars arc where we see the Yuuzhan Vong we would found out that they're connected to the force. If we ever see the Ysalamir in person they wont be able to block the force. Dave Filoni even embraces George's rules by showing us force sensitive wolves in Rebels. Also George's sequel trilogy would have shown us the whills and how they're the gods of the universe and how they have a symbiotic relationship with midiclorains. Not doubt he would have expanded on Obi Wan and Yoda's words and how everyone is force sensitive.
My theory is Sabine made a very calculated decision.
A decision from emotion. The selfish choice.
@@Bear-formshe couldn’t have destroyed the map anyway. It took a while for a lightsaber to do the job so it was either hand it over or die and achieve nothing.
@@Ph4ntasm4l What if Baylan knew or realized that. It could have been a test. But those are his motives. She didn't.
She made the only decision the plot would allow. The big bad blue guy is in the Trailers. It was inevitable. Balan could have force yanked it out of her hands if he wanted but that would have been boring.
@@nathanbilly9070 Fair. That would make her as stubborn (and selfish) as Ahsoka said.
Ahsoka was wrong to ask Sabine to abandon Ezra the same way she abandoned Anakin. Ahsoka is the one who hasn't learned the lesson yet.
Yes this.
Would innocent people who die in Thrawn's war agree that Ahsoka was wrong?
But for real, even Ezra knew he had to sacrifice himself to stop Thrawn. Sabine is disrespecting his choice.
@DS9TREK What if the worries are mostly unfounded. There could be a war coming either way against a larger threat and thrawn may be the best shot against them.
@@DS9TREK Arrogant assumption on Ashoka's part to assume Thrawn is even alive much less just sitting there watching YT waiting for a Night Sister to come give him an Uber ride back to the SW galaxy. If you love someone, if someone is your family, are you going to let assumptions drive your actions? Ezra could have killed Thrawn already. Should Sabine assume the worst just like the Jedi council did of Ashoka? Ashoka's gift is hearing the past not seeing the future.
@@hdm-nm Ahsoka knows Morgan Elsbeth is a force-user and she's clearly made telepathic connections with Thrawn. Ahsoka knows that Morgan wouldn't make this ship if she wasn't 100% sure that Thrawn is alive. Thrawn could rally the Empire. It's not a risk the galaxy can afford to take
Ezra made a sacrifice to save not only his friends, but this galaxy from Thrawn. So let's flip it - Sabine's choice, to find Ezra, goes against what Ezra would have wanted. I can understand her character's perspective and it's SO much more of an interesting choice, but if she finds Ezra and has handed Thrawn the way back, how do you think he's going to feel about it?
He's definitely gonna be disappointed, but Ezra had his own troubles with giving in to the dark side so I doubt he'll be too upset. Especially, if it means they get to see each other again, and I say that as a non Ezrabine shipper.
Principles of the Jedi and you show the Crate (Cantobyte? spelling) rampage of the animals through the city... through the buildings.... though the people there...., through the slaves no one freed... and leaving the entire system in place that will sweep it all back up into place in a few days... Principle of a Jedi...? I'll take a no, please, BoB!
she's not obsessed, it was a cold hard calculation Sabine made. Nothing Baylan said about Sabine's history made any difference to her. Ahsoka was just "killed," the enemy had won, she knew she couldn't defeat Baylan, and she had no idea how much longer Shin was gonna be out. Had she destroyed the map, it would all have ended there. Maybe everyone would have walked away. Pointless. By hitchhiking with the enemy she had a chance to reunite with/save Ezra, and join with him (the only other Jedi Sabine knows at this point), to defeat Thrawn somehow, if only by hitchhiking back to "our" galaxy, and escaping to warn everyone, (hopefully with some overwhelming proof this time...) As Riddick so eloquently put it, "Why drive, when you can get driven?" Trust me, Sabine is that gangster. She is that many moves ahead at this point. She is every bit a Padawan, and every bit to Ahsoka, what Ahsoka was to Anakin. Probably a little more actually... $5 says Bendu is in the next episode, btw.
My problem is how...contrived...the concept of her having 'jedi training' is, when compared to the more realistic path that they would have gone.
I feel like with all her experience, instead of trying to teach her to BE a Jedi, Ashoka would've taught her how to FIGHT a Jedi. She was already experienced and gifted as a Mandalorian warrior, so instead of trying to go a completely different route, they should have combined the two. Just imagine how unstoppable they would be, making use of all Sabine's anti-jedi gear and tactics while being supported by Ashoka who can counter all the force-related advantages of the Inquisitors-for-hire!
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I took "Fallen Jedi" as a plural, to mean Baylan & Shin before watching the episode (ie it would explore their motivations), but felt Sabine basically joined them.
Didn't even think of it until this video, but Ahsoka is the closest to a "real" Jedi, and she literally fell (off the cliff)
Ezra might be disappointed in Sabine, but given how Sabine is being taught by Ahsoka, making galaxy changing bad decisions is surely par for the course :) #maulwasright!
Sabine betrayed both Ahsoka and New Republic and let Thrawn return. They fought hard in the rebellion and suffered many losses. With his sacrifice, Ezra removed Thrawn from the galaxy and played an important role in the collapse of the empire. Now, there's no logical explanation for Sabine's disregard for Ezra's sacrifice to see Ezra and let another war break out in the galaxy. Ezra wouldn't want her to do that because he made this sacrifice to end the war and save his friends and Lothal.
From now on, every death will be Sabine's fault. She gave the map willingly and did not fight for it.
Sabine is sooooo annoying! And it’s disappointing. Everyone keeps saying that she’s just protecting her family, Ezra. The problem with that theory is that she’s sacrificing the rest of her Ghost Crew family in order to see Ezra. That’s completely irrational…
Well of course everyone is getting this wrong, people just don't understand Ahsoka (or just media in general, lack of critical thinking skills doesn't just apply to Ahsoka)
also eckhartsladder dont be a shill like star wars theory was for this everyone has the force crap and citing lucas incorrectly....
I think one of the things that has to be taken into account is that basically anything George says about SW generally after the release of ROTS, has to be taken with a Death Star sized grain of salt, the guy literally makes it up as he goes now, often contradicting things he’s emphasised in the past, like who the Chosen One was, once it was Anakin, now according to George’s sequel trilogy conclusion it was going to turn out to be Leia, after TPM came out, George repeatedly told people the reason Darth Maul was not featured a lot & died at the end was because he was never an important character in the grand scheme of things & was written in to illustrate the ‘rule of 2’ & that he was just an expendable place holder for the apprentice Palpatine was always biding his time for, but fast forward a few years & Maul gets the Boba Fett treatment & is suddenly now this very important character that George always had these big plans for ( sure, George) my point is George will simply say what he thinks the fans will want to hear from one moment to the next, if a Sith Lord suddenly shows up with the power to shoot laser beams out of their eyes - George will no doubt tell us “ oh yeah, they could always do this, we just haven’t seen it up til now “
I honestly believe we’ve reached a point with SW now that if you stick a lightsaber in a cowpatty & called it - ‘ Star Wars - Tales of a Country Pancake’ the fans would tie themselves in knots trying to justify & legitimise it.
I envy them.
the force connects all living things but not everyone can WIELD THE FORCE!!!! this is such basic star wars lore 101 to get wrong.... i get many star wars channels are so desperately starved for content that they depend on to not have to get normal jobs, but man can we stop with the cope and trying so hard to write fixes for disney star wars just to justify a video?
so annoying when "fans" know little to nothing about the canon/lore of the very thing they claim to be "fans" of. that would be like me claiming to be a mega tokien fan and then claiming not only is rings of power a good LOTR's show (its trash btw) but also then turn around and say "hey the balrog woke up in the mines in the 2nd age (even tho it was the 3rd age)" with a completely straight serious face. just so weird "fans" dont know the first thing about how the force actually works, and instead have weird head canon to suit an agenda for videos (like many star wars creators we all enjoy) but also normal "fans"
and those who might reply and complain... lets take this stupid concept that the force is like martial arts and anyone can be good at it to its logical conclusion... for one, no not everyone is able to become good at martial art's, if you lack the proper hand-eye coordination and other physical traits your SOL. but in universe lets go on an adventure real quick!
...... if anyone can be a jedi, why didnt the jedi train the clones to use the force and wield sabers? the clone army would be fucking unstoppable ((also no, yoda saying in the clone wars tv show that those clones dont have the force doesnt matter now. we keep contradicting ourselves in every other project to the point that canon/lore can no longer be consistent sadly.))... why was order 66 even needed when the entire point of order 66 was to eliminate the sith's greatest threat and enemies from the galaxy to ensure they rule unchecked, when a few jedi could of joined yoda at his swamp planet to train jedi to fight back.... also why in a universe with the force would there only be the jedi and sith orders? surely we would have seen countless force religions across the galaxy (the galaxy is fucking massive btw) NONE of it makes any sense, and its too appeal to people who enjoy participation trophies. im sorry but no, not everyone can wield the force and be strong with it thats not how the force works.
Honestly, I would have done EXACTLY the same thing in her situation.
So what did we learn from E4?
A lot of Jedi fail! 😂
LOVE IT. Can't wait for 5. Lucky bastards who get to see it in theaters! 👏
Ezra trusts Sabine to find him and sorry but she’s carrying guilt then. Ezra is probably the one who trust Sabine the most over Ashoka too and sorry but I ship them though. Sorry but Ashoka needs to remember Kanan had Hera and they have attachments. I still ship the couple and guess what there’s a balance between obsession or equal love. Sorry but ezra left a message about coming home at the end of rebels!!! 🤦♂️ he knew the possibility of her doing exactly that though and with hope in darkness and they suggested Thrawn was defeated not DEAD.
Ezra was defiantly not expecting to come home. In his message to Sabine he never mentions coming home or him wanting her to rescue him. He says she needs to understand why he did what he did and that she needs to see this through. On the Chimera he says "i need to see this through to the end", most likely his end. Im pretty sure he was aware that people would try and bring Thrawn back and he hoped Sabine would be able to stop them and let go of him. He kind of had a doctor strange moment after leaving the WBW, saying he saw multiple paths, picking the one that ensures the safety of his home and family with the only cost being himself.
Now if Ezra isnt allied with Thrawn in peridea, Thrawn can use Sabine against him, forcing him to surrender.
Ezra couldn't lift a bowl earlier in his training as well, took a while for him to find himself.
The way I took it was she believes she just lost Ahsoka,
So she's going for the best possible option of survival so she can get to ezra While biting her time so she can take down the two....Dark jedi, Side note did anyone spot that their light sabers are slightly different in orange
1) You don't think she was trying to Force Push Hati before she used the wrist rockets?
2) The only thing that has really upset me about this series so far is the idea that a Mandalorian helmet would come off that easily in combat. That armor has been perfected over literal millennia. Give me a break.
I think in reality she’s trying to make her as force sensitive as that blind guy in Rouge One. The monks could sense things around them if they put themselves in tune with the force.
Edit: he said it!
I wish Lucasfilm would make it explicit that the Jedi code is a spiritual path helpful to everyone, not just people who have the natural talent to become a Jedi
Tin foil hat theory but I believe that marrok not only the night sister creation but I believe it is the same thing she fought in tales of the Jedi and that on its own. Seeing as the helmet is blue in the opening helmet shots It could be the soul of a fallen Jedi. I don't think it's kannen button mother of god. I want Freddy prince junior to play a live action kanan seeing we got Anakin at the halfway point, who knows what the finale will bring with the movie to come
Baylan is using Ezra against Sabine like Palpatine used Padme against Anakin. Sabine falling to the dark side world be an amazing plotline.
Howd she fist fight robots?
Im still stuck on that for some reason. Look at the fight between the two bots in the last episode, theres no way any human could box with a bot.
I was DONE with this galaxy after The Mandolorian went sideways - after lots of prodding I finally watched Andor and Holy Crap!!!! Ahsoka has been great so far - thanks Dave!
I’m loving the Ashoka show, I think Sabine is being handled very well, and the show in general.
Life is just better when you don’t consider the sequels cannon😁
Offscreen character development is always dangerous, people tend to not like that and scream "They ruined a character!" but you can't put everything on screen. For me, it was obvious that Sabine had to change a lot from where we left her in rebels.
I feel kinda the same about their whole master & apprentice relationship. It would have been nice to see, but from what we're getting, it doesn't seem like there was that much to tell. It obviously didn't really go anywhere and left them both sort of at odds and disheartened. It seems likely to me that dedicating time to depicting that wouldn't really add more to the story than treating it like it had already happened and letting things develop from there.
I think the second half of this season is going to be a lot different than we think it is going to be. There is a reason none of these characters are in the sequel trilogy. And I think that reason is because there is some other threat in this other galaxy that they have stayed there to deal with. Some threat that could even unite them in a common purpose that both Thrawn and Ezra encountered when they first arrived there and forced them to work together to survive. Because if Ezra survived the trip with to this new galaxy he could have just stolen a shuttle from the hanger and used the Purgil to return to their home galaxy. But as we know that did not happen. So he either died fighting against Thrawn, was captured by Thrawn, or they found something worse to deal with.
Wait didn't sabine family was in star wars rebels? Or am i missing something?
Mando Season 2 - most of the Mando people were annihilated during an event called "Night of a Thousand Tears" and it's implied that Sabine's family was on Mandalore at the time. This makes sense since Sabine's mother (Ursa Wren) was the right hand of Bo-Katan and she hasn't been seen (with Bo-Katan) since Clone Wars Season 7. So what happened? Likely the genocide of Mandolore, post Rebels Season 4.
@@Cabolt44 so the night of a thousand tears was during the rein of the empire or the rise of the empire after the clone wars ended? Im mostly confused at the timeline
What if her emotions help her tap into the force. It would be cool if she got angry and that was her catalysts to feeling the force
Honestly it'd be refreshing to have someone who's sensitive to the force, but can't do all the flashy/showy stuff like force push/pull/throw/choke/lightning etc.
To me the most interesting part of the force has been the more intuitive based abilities. Enhanced piloting/mechanics/martial prowess. If Sabine can't make things fly across the screen you won't see me crying about it.
Aka, I don't want to see/be a space wizard. I want to see/be a space bard or space rogue. Less intelligence and wisdom based magic and more charisma and dexterity based.
Exactly. Sabine (if she masters her powers well enough), could seriously boost her physical stats with the Force. Precognition, enhanced physical senses, greater strength, speed and agility. That would make her incredibly deadly as a combatant. Even more so then so called Sith Assassins or Inquistors of years past.
I do not want Sabine to 'use' the force..
I'd rather see her feel the flow of the force
I think there's a real shot we see Baylan try to pit Shin and Sabine against each other in training and that Sabine gets to learn a bit about the dark side and it's pathway to abilities that are unnatural for her to have.
The title of the episode was clearly a pun cause the jedi falls off a cliff
I think the episode title referred to them all and was a pun on top of that considering Ahsoka fell off a cliff. I don't think that Sabine made the wrong decision, however. I think that she made the only decision she could. Yes, her judgment is being clouded by her desire to find Ezra, but I think that's only part of her motivation in that moment. A New Republic ship was virtually annihilated to free Morgen. Thrawn is a threat as long as he lives because as long as he lives his allies will try to find ways to get him back. They've had the map for a while so for all she knows, they've seen enough of it to be able to find Thrawn even if she destroyed it. She might even think they could have other options if she destroyed the map. She saw what happened to Marrok, I suspect recognizing it as Nightsister Magic which she knows from experience how dangerous that is. She thinks she just saw Ahsoka die in front of her. At this point, it's easy to imagine that to her mind, the only way to protect the galaxy from Thrawn is to find him and kill him. I suspect she hopes to find Ezra and kill Thrawn or die trying and that she knows her only chance of either of those happening is to temporarily ally with the enemy in the hopes that they let their guard down enough for her to take a shot at Thrawn. Maybe that's overly optimistic of me, but Sabine is really smart, gifted even. I think she recognized that Baylon was trying to manipulate her, even recognized that it was starting to work, and decided to use that to her advantage to play the long game.
I feel like we've already seen a blending of Jedi training and Mandalorian ways when she was learning how to use the Dark Saber. As a Rebels fan kinda feels like we've been here before and these lessons have already been learned. I know only a fraction of people watching Ahsoka have seen Rebels but....why should the rest of us suffer for their poor choices?
While we have seen it, that was merely a taste of what Ahsoka (a much more experienced teacher) could provide. And I do agree, we could've gone with Sabine being trained further along then this, instead of the "Oh I didn't keep up my training" middle ground answer, in Episode 1 and 2. Oh well, still great to see.
Anyone ever wonder why blaster bolts are so slow? Like not only do we see force users, but normal people dodge and block them. Id like to see a Jedi try and dodge a 9mm or rifle round. I’m betting they couldn’t.
In lore projectile weapons are a great option against Jedi.
Live-action Sabine is annoying…end of story
Doesn’t she use the force in the last episode?
The way you interpret media is so much better than other star wars channels. Star Wars Theory and other channels drop my IQ.
SWT is hit or miss. Sometimes he has a few stupid takes, but sometimes he has some real thought-provoking things to say
i thought she gave up the map cuz sabine had a tracker or some other mcguffin on her so that phoenix squadron can follow them later. she was just selling an act, but it sold so well because a part of her does want ezra back and will do whatever it takes.
Honestly, I see where you're coming from as that is definitely something the Ghost crew would do, I doubt it was actually part of a real plan. You can see on Sabine's face, props to the actress btw, that she is extremely conflicted about destroying the map. I doubt much other than the pain of losing Ezra for the bitter pill of the "greater good" was on her mind.
I'm sure she'll come up with something once they reach Peridia, but I doubt getting captured and taken into the lion's den was anything more than the consequences of giving in to her desires.
i agree with alot of what you said but one thing i think you may of forgot to mention is that mandalorian culture and jedi culture comes to a conflict like you said jedi avoid attachment but mandalorians are very big on clan and kin. so this lesson about avoiding attachment does clash with her mandalorian up bringing and couple that with her rebel days where the only ones she could count on was her crew and i can see why she didnt learn that lesson. and i want to point out something with ahsoka she seems to have forgotten or chosen to not use the lessons she learned from anakin or obiwan. for example that holocron that ezra had with anakin teaching lightsaber technique would of probably made a great teaching tool for sabine to use
I mean... could Sabine even use that Holocron if she has limited her access to the Force? Besides, the best teacher for all those forms, IS Ahsoka herself- the former apprentice to the guy who made the Holocron. That's why she pushed for Huyang to teach her things like Zatoishi - blind blade arts. Sabine needed to have her learning accelerated, and she did quite well on improving her skills. It even looked like in her recent fight with Shin, that she was finally consciously tapping into the Force (some graceful manouvres, precognition, and the small Force push she used).
Powerful force users don't just mess with you physicaly but also mentaly, they target your weaknesses and prey upon your fears.
The comments section is driving me nuts! You guys are really standing up for her straight up turning on her friends and risking galactic war?
We can understand the decision. It was poor but what else besides letting Baylan kill her after failing to destroy the map, could she have done? If Ahsoka hadn't lost herself too, Sabine might not have needed to make the poor decision. Maybe... Ahsoka will get a second shot at this? As Ahsoka the... White!?