This makes me much more happy about skimping out on the more expensive PM2s for my hard use case of slicing cheese, bananas, salami, apples, and the occasional amazon package.
Man I wish you’d create a running spreadsheet we could all see with the treasure trove of info you’ve discovered. Thank you for all you do for the knife community!
There is a link in each video description to a Google spreadsheet of all the edge retention testing results. Some of the other things I've found aren't anything that can be put in a context like that. I will be doing some videos talking about such things with certain steels.
I spent last weekend in the forest carving wood for practising my traps. I used my Shaman in s30v. Cut A LOT of hard dead wood. Knife was still hairpopping sharp Sunday night when I got back home. I was stunned!
It is at 15 dps and I'm happy to have this one. I don't remember what I measured it at but it's nice to see when they aren't over sharpened in the beginning what a different product you get.
Knowing what we now know, I would love to buy Knives with no edge. Just put the primary grind on it. It would allow you to put what you want with no overheating. Thank you for another great test.
My thoughts exactly... The overheated factory edge sucks... Starting out with a precise secondary bevel would be a bonus... 15 /15 vs 20 / 16 from Spyderco.
Does the coating on the blade mess with the hardness test? Just wondering if it might throw off the hrc test. I like s30v personal. It makes a great edc steel imo.
nice! can't wait to see how the S45 does. i have the older sprint run s45 green diamond arc pm2 and i just got the new para 3 in s45 only had it in my pocket a couple days. look forward to seeing your results.
@@SRVandDtrouble the liners will show and when I did mine I powder coated the liners black. That being said I took the blade out marked the liners where I wanted them then took down the handle as a whole. If you have a belt sander and time you can do one as well. I can cover how I did it in a video and I'd be happy to do yours if you cover shipping both ways.
While I have found some S30V from Spyderco to be around 59 hrc, I've tested way more the past year that have been 60 to 61 hrc. Even the softer S30V from them still performs just fine and I still use them to this day. I will have a direct test and use comparison on 59 hrc and this particular knife that's just over 61 hrc. That way the difference can be seen on more than one way.
You have to attend the sale in November before Thanksgiving in person or find someone selling ones they bought there. If you watch the forums, groups and ebay in late November and early December you'll find them.
You have to attend the sale in November before Thanksgiving in person or find someone selling ones they bought there. If you watch the forums, groups and ebay in late November and early December you'll find them.
On normal years you have to go to Golden during a special weekend for the seconds sale. This past year it was on line. I know a couple that go to the sale yearly and buy from them still at a very deep discount.
From what I have seen with s45 it reminds me of xhp. Would be nice to see others come to similar conclusions. I think s30v on the pm2 especially shines in that 400/600 grit range. And s45 is more ideal for the finer grit ceramic sharpening Stones spyderco sells and most ppl use. .
My first knife with a "super steel" and I hate sharpening it. My Presidio 2 with s30v is so much easier. Glad I have not had to sharpen my 20cv Manix 2 LW yet😅.
This makes me much more happy about skimping out on the more expensive PM2s for my hard use case of slicing cheese, bananas, salami, apples, and the occasional amazon package.
S30V is definitely my favorite steel. Perfectly balanced in all segments , I have it for a mini Grptilian and it's great
I too have a mini grip in s30v. I agree it covers all of the bases well. No chipping and easy to sharpen
Man I wish you’d create a running spreadsheet we could all see with the treasure trove of info you’ve discovered. Thank you for all you do for the knife community!
There is a link in each video description to a Google spreadsheet of all the edge retention testing results. Some of the other things I've found aren't anything that can be put in a context like that. I will be doing some videos talking about such things with certain steels.
I spent last weekend in the forest carving wood for practising my traps. I used my Shaman in s30v. Cut A LOT of hard dead wood. Knife was still hairpopping sharp Sunday night when I got back home. I was stunned!
Wood related tasks act much differently on steels. Even some if the most basic stuff can last in the woods longer than you would expect .
Haven't watched in awhile. Thanks for showing some of the variables that affect edge performance.
You're welcome
S30V has always been great.
Its definitely a solid user steel.
Love the content and I appreciate all that you do for the community.
Keep up the great work!
Impressive bit of s30v ya got there!
Hi Gerald !! You are lucky to get that great s30v para 2 man ..... it looks pretty thin behind the edge too.
It is at 15 dps and I'm happy to have this one. I don't remember what I measured it at but it's nice to see when they aren't over sharpened in the beginning what a different product you get.
Great results for that S30V and great vid as always G😊👍
Thank you
I would love to see you do a comparison cutting rope for s30v vs m390
That will be possible in a fe months once I get everything squared away and settled in.
Knowing what we now know, I would love to buy Knives with no edge. Just put the primary grind on it. It would allow you to put what you want with no overheating. Thank you for another great test.
My thoughts exactly... The overheated factory edge sucks... Starting out with a precise secondary bevel would be a bonus... 15 /15 vs 20 / 16 from Spyderco.
Absolutely, I'd love to put the first edge on everything I buy.
I have 9 super steel spydies and I love s30v
I've got some s45 on a buck 110 and it seems pretty nice. Takes a really sticky edge.
Thanks for sharing 👍🏼
You're welcome
Awesome videos
Thank you
Does the coating on the blade mess with the hardness test? Just wondering if it might throw off the hrc test. I like s30v personal. It makes a great edc steel imo.
It can, but usually doesn't most of the time.
If it's a thick coating yes, but something that is only a few microns thick like DLC or Black Oxide it won't
@@andrewayers1141 thank you.
nice! can't wait to see how the S45 does. i have the older sprint run s45 green diamond arc pm2 and i just got the new para 3 in s45 only had it in my pocket a couple days. look forward to seeing your results.
I'm hoping to get to it soon
That G10 handle looks funny comparing to normal production
I took the center grip area hump out to see how it would be.
@@Outpost_76 Did you do a mod video or would you be willing to do one and or add in the description hoe you did your scale mod.
@@SRVandDtrouble the liners will show and when I did mine I powder coated the liners black. That being said I took the blade out marked the liners where I wanted them then took down the handle as a whole. If you have a belt sander and time you can do one as well. I can cover how I did it in a video and I'd be happy to do yours if you cover shipping both ways.
S45vn got very easily hair whittling sharp for me
So my manix 2 in s30v isn't likely to be head and shoulders worse than the "new kids"?
While I have found some S30V from Spyderco to be around 59 hrc, I've tested way more the past year that have been 60 to 61 hrc. Even the softer S30V from them still performs just fine and I still use them to this day. I will have a direct test and use comparison on 59 hrc and this particular knife that's just over 61 hrc. That way the difference can be seen on more than one way.
@@Outpost_76 wow! I know you do this one way or the other, but you do good work, thanks!
@@voidpunkprincess thank you
How do ya go about getting a factory 2nd ?
You have to attend the sale in November before Thanksgiving in person or find someone selling ones they bought there. If you watch the forums, groups and ebay in late November and early December you'll find them.
You have to attend the sale in November before Thanksgiving in person or find someone selling ones they bought there. If you watch the forums, groups and ebay in late November and early December you'll find them.
Wish.?
S30v from Spyderco is great, even a little better than most s35vn, at least in my limited experience
I agree it's better than almost all S35VN.
S30V should have slightly better edge holding than S35VN which trades edge retention for toughness, about 1% less vanadium in S35VN
Probably 61-62hrc or just not burnt like you said. Can't wait to see that s45vn. Personally I prefer 300+ and I'm guessing that won't be likely.
I know Spyderco can hit 61 on S30V, my Manix is done well and one I enjoy. I'll definitely find out before long what this one actually is.
@@Outpost_76 any update on the hardness on this specimen?
I've seen kershaws for sale with flaws, where do you buy flawed spydercos, asking for a friend 🙄
On normal years you have to go to Golden during a special weekend for the seconds sale. This past year it was on line. I know a couple that go to the sale yearly and buy from them still at a very deep discount.
From what I have seen with s45 it reminds me of xhp. Would be nice to see others come to similar conclusions. I think s30v on the pm2 especially shines in that 400/600 grit range. And s45 is more ideal for the finer grit ceramic sharpening Stones spyderco sells and most ppl use. .
I'm definitely going to find out. I'm going to run the normal test,coarse and polished to see what happens.
Second!!
My first knife with a "super steel" and I hate sharpening it. My Presidio 2 with s30v is so much easier. Glad I have not had to sharpen my 20cv Manix 2 LW yet😅.
Its not hard to sharpen most steels you just need some decent diamond stones
20CV is just like sharpening S30V, I notice no difference in time or anything else.
@@Outpost_76 I use a smiths double sided diamond pocket sharpener I'm sure that is the factor 😂
First!