I tried this once and will NEVER freehand grind again!
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- Опубліковано 11 бер 2023
- Just when you thought you've seen the best, Tobias comes back with another amazing and informative video on knife-grinding techniques, including freehand grinding, bevel jigs, and the universal jigs that him, Benjamin Kamon and Oliver Tobin helped develop! Check out this amazing knife making video to help both beginners or experienced knife makers make more knives in a consistent and quicker manner!
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This video it's a true diamond in the sea of the knife sharpening videos.
AGain - many thanks for your lovely comments!
This video just proves to me that Tobias is definitely my favorite bladesmith GURU
Thanks! Tobias is amazing and I hope you enjoy the other videos of not just Tobias but many other makers who share their insights and knowledge on knife-making!
This is one of the most informative knife making video I've seen in a long time! What a nice video and motherload of small tips and tricks.
Wow thanks Seth that is very nice of you! We are extremely fortunate to have the likes of Tobias in our community!
Thanks for watching!
@@UKBladeshow
Sir, FWIW, it occurs to me that if the distance from spine to edge is not consistent down length of blade, this method will make the bevel angle change from heel to tip. This is not necessarily bad, and the transition will be gradual and look fine, if it is even noticeable, but this will make for different grind height w the actual edge bevels.
In extreme cases, on blade w extremely tapered pattern form, this would require change of geometry of edge bevels as well.
Agree
I’ve been smithing for 5ish years and I’m still hitting grinding pitfalls. This video has shown me solutions to mistakes I didn’t even know I was making. Thank you for this
Thanks for the comments Mike!
This man is an absolute bad ass.
100% agree - Tobias is a beast!
I'm getting into forging and have watched hours of tutorials and this guy is the best one iv ever heard very clear and simple instructions
Thanks again for another Tobias video, his expert knowledge and camera presence with clear explanations is invaluable! Keep em' coming!
Tobias is excellent at presentations - makes it easy to understand - even for someone like me ;)
Thanks for the comment again ughmas!
The great pioneering maker George Herron used a similar attachment for his grinder.
They also have the tilt table for grinding bevels. I have one, but haven’t used it yet because I’ve had success with the adjustable jig I bought.
I’m so pleased to find you again Tobias, the last time I seen your work was on British Blades , few years ago now .
I’ve met some of the uk knife makers and was really impressed by the way they did their grinds ,
Grinding by hand was always seen as the holy grail of knife making . I watched stuart Mitchell of Sheffield grind a knife freehand on a stone turning away from him . I was in awe . Obviously stuart has a life time of experience in his fingers and the blood in his veins is from an history of family of knife makers .
I do miss the massive resource that British Blades had to offer , full of knowledge and a catalogue of knife making .
Good luck my friend I really enjoyed your video and precise description of your experience.
If you took that jig and put grooves in the base (horizontal portion), you could space those grooves that that when the spine of the knife is in the groove, as it leans forward into the belt, you get a certain angle. If the stock isn't consistent enough to allow for multiple grooves, you could always put different thickness spacers at the front of the jig so that the spine of the knife is a consistent distance from the belt, thereby holding the knife's edge at the same angle.
The barring pressure tool could do with a stop on the pivot to keep it from over rotating into the belt and maybe a rubber ring around the barring for some extra grip on the knife.
Thank you !! Craftsman ! 👍🏻
I am impressed by your experience and knowledge. I've learned more from this one video than I have learned in the past videos from other knife makers.
Hi Jeff thanks again for your lovely comments. Tobias is an absolutely amazing maker and teacher and we are all thankful for the knowledge he shares!
Fantastic video, as always!
Now I gotta make that bearing push jig 😁
Did you make it?
I've learned that having the the grinder tilted back about 15 º and the flat platen leveled with my elbows its the most comfortable position.
Thanks for sharing!
Good one.
Perfect lesson, I never will make this kind of knives, but I watched all, because your pronunciation allowed me to understand everything you said. P.S.Also the guy in the end, too.
This is next level.... I feel like I need to play around with one of these jigs!
Cheers bud! You should definitely speak with Oliver Tobin (Tobin Machines) about his jig as this is an ultimate game changer!
Please do, you make some amazingly detailed and informative videos. My favorite knife making UA-camr by far :)
@@S_Sole thank you!
Outstanding presentation! Thank you for taking the time to show us.
Thanks Chris for the feedback!
Some great tips and techniques, thank you for sharing.
Hi Nathan thanks for the feedback! 🔥🔥🔥
Loved this guys. Thanks for such a detailed informative demo.
Cheers Tom! Happy to hear you found it informative! What other topics do you suggest we cover next?
Personally I would love to see a close-up slow mo video doing Forge welds. What the surface looks like when ready to come out of the fire versus the Sentra being too cold. what it looks like setting the weld Softly versus too hard. My students asked for this we often. It does not seem like there is a good video like this out there as no one is willing to either sacrifice a camera lens to flux splatter or heat or they do not have enough zoom on the camera to get in that close. Keep up the great work guys. Loving this Channel more and more all the time
Cheers Tom!
You are right, it would be rather challenging to film that; maybe a great zoom lens would do or have some a transparent glass that would shield the heat (does this even exist hahaha!) but yeah, that’d be a nice scene to film!
Thanks for the feedback and I’ll definitely put that in my idea bank!
Excellent instruction!
Thanks for watching I hope you enjoyed it
Absolutely outstanding video here!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fantastic video and full of great information.
Thank you thank you
Splendid vid! Spot on !😊
Thanks Philippe
Excellent informative video no extraneous talking, no telling of tails , for those of us that come to learn not to be entertained and learn about your uncle Henry’s farm for example , this is excellent. Thank you. 👍
Thank you for the feedback! Hope to see you in our other vids! Thanks for watching!
Wonderful video!! Very clear explanations, I love the fact that he concentrates on the function of the knife!! Thank you!!!
Thanks for the appreciation! I hope you’ll enjoy the other knife-making related videos we have too!
- Vinz
AI will never be able to duplicate your hand grinding technique, great content.
I received my jig yesterday and used it for the first time today and it’s absolutely a game changer. Bevel grinding has been the most time consuming step in the process for me and this jig just makes the process fly! The detailed instructions on how to set it up that I received via email are very detailed and comprehensive. There’s even a mathematical equation for determining the distance of the jig from the belt in order to achieve the desired outcome! If anyone is sitting on the fence on getting one of these, don’t! Highly recommended! Also fantastic customer service from the team at Tobin Machines.
Thank you Reshad! Very appreciated!
Were can I purchase the jig?
Again amazing video! Well explained and nice tips and tricks for almost all types of grinding. I consider myself a beginner knife maker I only started grinding on a 2x72 very recently and I picked up some nice pointers.
Cheers buddy! Happy to hear you found it helpful! I do want to make videos about belt grinders soon so keep a look out as well 👀
thank yo for sharing your genius techniques!
Hi Daniel! Tobias is going excellent! Thanks for your comment and feedback!
Those 17 minutes taught a lot, vielen dank Tobias!
Thanks for the comment!
Great video! I'm gonna try making those jigs and try them out. I've tried the C grind freehand and it was a disaster, lol.
One thing I would recommend with the arm of the grinding jig is to put a pressed on metal partial toroidal sleeve on the ball bearing. That way, you don't have the bearing applying a point load with a flat face following it. The flat face would be the natural place the material would want to run against the bearing. Having no flat face would give better control over the force vectors. This effect is very noticable when using the plywood block to press the blade into the belt when grinding the hollow grind. The blade rotates as the stroke is taken, pulling the cutting edge away from the guide and more closely matching the flat of the plywood.
makes a lot of sense
Amazing video ! So informative . I have tried similar techniques but never got as good results with free grinding. That little shelve is brilliant.
Cheers buddy! These guys are definitely revolutionising knife-making for the whole community! Thanks for watching!
Lot of really innovative stuff in this one, I used to do freehand for a few years and I still will for really complex blades that basically, you can't do any other way. But its something I consider very 'danger zone' to do after a long day of grinding out knives, your muscle memory will hang around, but the concentration goes to hell and accidents happen.
Never used jigs though
I'm pretty much a block of teflon push-stick grinder as I like the control and amount of pressure I can apply in combination with belt speeds to make sure nothing overheats. The little 'step' insert on the rest though is a really top notch idea as anyone that's done the old 'it got dragged in between the platen and the work rest' trick can attest, its really not a good trick at all.
Very cool episode
Thanks! I never tried Teflon blocks but that sounds interesting. Where do you get them?
@@tobiashangler I usually buy them on Aliexpress just in a little 6 x 150 x 150 mm sheet and lop off an inch-30mm section with the hacksaw as required for a new one. They last a pretty long time if you don't feed them into a 36grit belt too often :)
Don't think they were very expensive, I know they do sell the same sort of stuff on ebay as skid bars for trailers if you feel the need for a really big chunk of the stuff as well. But the nice thing about it is that PTFE wont deform under moderate-high heat, it slides well across the blade and self-polishes. On a stick I'll usually have a dead-flat section on one end for broad pressure to get the flats of a bevel put down and a rounded end which I use for really fine, more precise pressure to the work material as you work up to the final taper of a bevel geometry.
Just as an afterthought, if you didn't want a bearing for your jig set up (and I do like that a lot) is you could make a piece of teflon in there as a circular roller. Maybe a half-inch, 15mm wide section or even a variety of width and thicknesses to suit the pressure grinding application. Just a thought on that seeing as bearings are great but they're also a bit expensive to find the ones you want in a size.
@@krissteel4074 i am very happy with the bearings but they of course also don't like being fed i to the belt so the teflon would have some advantage in that case. They bearings really aren't too expensive if yiu buy them in packs of 10 or more and i currently started to tape them with a bit of electric tape which i can easily replace if i slip into the belt slightly
@@tobiashangler The alternative is getting some round-stock of Delrin and turning out a centre bore to match the axle on the jig. It is from memory quite a bit cheaper and has some very good compressive qualities as well as being hydrophobic. In terms of temp it will stand up to about 150-160C before deforming.
Might be an option to look at one day if you figure turning them up on a lathe could work out.
Excellent video. I've been looking forward to this one and you didn't disappoint. Tobias gave a very concise and easy to understand demonstration of the universal bevel jig as well as other grinding styles. Now I need to find out if the jig will be readily available in the US.
Cheers bud! Happy to hear you enjoyed it! I would suggest to get in touch with Tobin Machines and get them across to the US! Thanks for watching again!
This was brilliant! I utterly suck at hand grinding (lack of practice). But, this gave me hope! Thanks!
Thanks Fyre Antz! Get one from Tobin Machines (link in the description) as I’ve been told he’s got lots of orders for these!
Super ton outil ! Merci de partager ta technique c'est super sympa
Hi Mathieu thanks for the comment!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 fro Brazil 🇧🇷
Hi Fred from Brazil 🇧🇷! Thanks for watching the vid! Have you seen our other videos too?
@@UKBladeshow Hi! Thank you for your reply. In fact this was the first one vídeo of yours I watch. I'll look for the other ones. I'm still studying and slowly learning the blacksmith's art. I'll be there💪🦾!! I hope you good luck🍀! By !
Great video. a jig like that just might be exactly what i need.
Hi again LBCAndrew and nice to see you back! Happy to hear you enjoyed the video! You can find the belt grinder and the jig in the video description or you can purchase them HERE: www.tobinmachines.at/en/machines-for-knifemakers/attachments-for-belt-grinders/#tab-18673
Very helpful give me hope. Thank you. You are a charismatic presenter. 😀
Thank you very much Harry!
That is a wonderful contraption. I hope the bearings on that roller are well sealed against water! Excellent video Vinz and Thomas :D
Cheers Rob! 🤩😍
Shawn of the Dead...quick sub! 🤘⚔️
Hahaha thanks for spotting that
Do everything by hand and on a cheap bench grinder personally but then all my stuff is pretty much based on ancient blades and as much as possible is done with a hammer, having said that I could do with getting a belt grinder of some sort and there are some really good tips in the video, particularly like the universal jig, flexible with how it is used and keeping things in line is a brilliant option
Thanks for the comment Andy! All these jigs and lovely tools are obviously for certain kinds of makers and I understand why it won't benefit you as much due to the type of knives you make.
Thanks for the comment bud! Speak again soon!
Well done 👍….thanks from US
Cheers Don! Glad to hear you enjoyed it! What is your preferred belt grinding method (before and after watching this video)?
- Vinz
@@UKBladeshow thanks, I use the standard jig and the tilt table…the jig he uses where can someone find them? Thanks
¡¡ ÓRALE !! I just found you guys, and I'm so stoked cause your blades look propper clutch , your production is on point, and you cut out the bull s#!+ to provide just what's needed to learn from you masters.
It seems you're all very talented and skilled with good, humble attitudes. So I thank you for sharing great insights on some sick knife making.
I'll definitely enjoy watching and utilizing the knowledge!!! Much appreciated !!!
Hi Sol! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feedback! Really appreciate it!
We have lots of various videos from lots of makers of differing backgrounds so we hope you enjoy the channel!
- Vinz
Hi very good video thank you for what!
Cheers Alejandro! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Enjoyed you’re interviews on the hustle and grind/ forgecast podcasts!
Thanks for watching! I am yet to listen to Tobias’ guest podcast there but I’ll be sure to keep a lookout for it when I’m free.
Thanks!
I am glad you enjoyed it!
I ain't forging yet (except for checks, documents, etc.) and some of these procedures will prevent injury. I've had good success with files, leaf springs, etc. Thanks for the "how and why" 🇺🇸
Thanks for watching and for your comment!
Great video. Simple, elegant jig. I'm no smith, but I professionally sharpen knives. Folks ask how any old blade can get to "don't even touch the edge or you'll need stitches" sharp. Answer's simple: quality tools and fixtures.
Thanks for the appreciation! I hope you’ll enjoy the other knife-making related videos we have too!
- Vinz
I cannot find a link to buy this jig? Please help - awesome stuff brother
What a nice video! Im doing all of my grinds freehand, but the trick for the hollow grind seems like something I need to try out
Thanks Felix! I did all of my grinds freehand (I never had a chance to use a jig before) but after filming this with Tobias and Oliver Tobin, I would never trust my dodgy freehand grinding hahaha 🤣
- Vinz
You really should, it works fantastically!
@@tobiashangler May I should get one for my grinder
How do we get our hands on one?
I would very much like this jig…
The Tormek sharpening system is really great! But I did notice the angle tool being used wrong one of the times in the advertisement 😂
Oopsies! What did I do wrong? Thanks for the feedback!
@@UKBladeshow Both black parts of the angle tool must touch the stone. Like you do at 16:24 👍
Oh yeah I saw it now. I have no excuse other than it was a pose and I probably slipped because I literally know that (I reviewed correct use of the angle tool literally 3 times as I didn’t know how to use it before until this video, but I obviously should have reviewed it 4 times hahaha 😝).
Thanks though - feedback helps! I hope you enjoyed the video!
Tormek es la mejor herramienta del mundo, cara, pero no tendría otra marka
i'm moving over to a tilt table jig, it works better for more pointed tips as far as my limited experience has noticed
first time on channel and very impressed. These tools look easy to make and easy to use. I just like to play around when I feel like it and have made a few dozen! But I did build a nice 2"x72" grinder. I would love to get into making them more for profit. It certainly is a stress release. I would love a video on building a induction forge.
Thanks Jeremy for the feedback! If you are interested in watching an induction heater in use, we have this 3-part video series HERE:
THIS WORKS for beginner or hobbyist knife makers! (Part 1)
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@@UKBladeshow I will check it out here in a bit. Thank you.
Awesome Tobias video. Even though I have made 100s of knives professionally I still find free hand grinding a challenge. Awesome video
Cheers Dan! Nice to hear you found the video valuable!
Great Video again,thank you very much for the hard work! When Tobias mentioned his fixture for the first time i got very curious, it was great to see this in action!
I am making for a few year now, and i believe adding spice to the grinding methods are always great.
In an ideal worls a maker should master a few different grinding methods for different knife types. I look forward to try out Tobias method.
I remember your comment from one of the previous videos (good spot!) and I hope this video delivered what you need to know from it! Feel free to contact Oliver (Tobin Machines): www.tobinmachines.at/en/machines-for-knifemakers/attachments-for-belt-grinders/#tab-18673
thank you
You're very welcome! I hope Tobias and the UK Bladeshow showed something valuable!
Hi there, how does that jig handle thinner blades, and also blades that maybe don't have a parallel edge to spine ratio? Im a machine designer and this inspired me to looks at a method to have 2 heights for both left and right pins without setting or adjusting anythiing.
Like to see Straight razor geometry grinding..
Oooo sounds funky - can you describe what that grind is?
@@UKBladeshow completely depends on what time period and country..as Japanese straight razors are asymmetrical..but most straight razors are hollow ground..with a few like heavy wedges almost flat ground with the slightest hollow grind to them..people stiil shave with straight razors..still the best shave you can get..a straight razor can last many decades if taken care of properly..vs disposable razors..
Interesting! Thanks for sharing! Everyday is a school day!
For the Tormek, and the various clones, the diamond wheels are the only way to go! The stropping wheel is good as well.
Hi robohippy! I am loving the T8 yes! Although I do enjoy whetstones sharpening, this makes sharpening so much more quicker, simpler and easier!
Thanks Tobias, looking at 4.06 minutes there is short view of the jig with radius. Have seen a UA-cam once. Can you help me to trace it back? Thx Harald
Great demo!!!How do I but one in the USA??
I've done convex,flat, sabre, Scandi, and hollow.I really want to try a c grind and an s grind.
Me too mate! A C-grind looks very fun to do, looks simple but I bet I'll mess it up a f ew times hahahaha
Do you ship to the United States if not would you license the plans for the universal knife jig to be made here
As a novice knife I maker welcome this true to reality video, I am bespoke joiner and used to make tools and many jigs grinding cutters free hand if the jigs are not correct and time taken to make properly you will need new fingers or worse, picked up what was left of foremans hand because he didn't follow correct procedures. Stay safe never speaking to people when grinding nobody should be closer than a metre keep focused at all times, sorry for being a old fart but I have seen to many accidents if needed take the day to make correct jigs and working practice stuck to religiously boring as it is makes the difference between a idiot and a proper skilled person regardless of experience rant over. Ps loved the video very .Good
Another great video.
How well does that grinder setup work on knives with more radiused belly section?
Rounded bellies ar not a problem, fine upward pointing tips won't work as easily though. I usually freehand them after finishing 90% with the jig
@Tobias Hangler Thanks for the reply, I do seem to have more trouble the less straight the edge is.
Nice for kitchen knives n wide Blades. I doubt it will Work on slimmer, smaller...Blades ....U wont get Close enough to the belt If U want a füll flat Grind or Higher Up Saber grind...Lip is in the way.... Just Tried a similar Setup...If U remove that Plate it works but Then the benefit of the PushStick , lip Plate combination is gone... 😢 Still a nice Well thought Out jig for what its Made n Used for in the Video....OR I am wrong n doing it wrong. Would be great to See it being Used on lets say a hunting knife or neckknife....that is 2-3 cm wide....would really be interesting. Thx
Do we have an idea when the bearing grinding jig will be available?
It’s hands down the Best grinding jig I have ever seen. The best thing is it is consistent at an angle of your choosing, but still flexible enough to an allow angle adjustment at any point in the grinding. 👌
Hi! The jig is available now. Please check under the video description or click here: www.tobinmachines.at/en/machines-for-knifemakers/attachments-for-belt-grinders/#tab-18673
bruh....i just need a click and buy situation. help@@UKBladeshow
that nakiri, at the end looks very familiar
One of my go-to knives mate. An absolute beast of a kitchen tool!
@@UKBladeshow genuinely made me really happy to see, it being taken care of, I'm glad its serving you well
@@shaungreen679 I need to do your review by the way (oopsies)!
Is that universal jig being sold anywhere? Looks super interesting
Never mind, found it
No problem buddy. It's in the video description or also here: www.tobinmachines.at/en/machines-for-knifemakers/attachments-for-belt-grinders/#tab-18673
Anyone selling the jig or is that something that was just home made? Really cool and would love to try. Great video and information.
Cheers Travis! The link is on the description or you can buy the jig at Tobin Machines website: www.tobinmachines.at/en/machines-for-knifemakers/attachments-for-belt-grinders/#tab-18673
Nice 👍 What belts and grits are using to finish the knife?
Hi Reuel. I believe Tobias uses VSM belts (maybe XK760X, not 100% sure). I also don’t know what grit sequencing he uses unfortunately but we do have that topic available of you are interested: Why 90% of knife makers use the WRONG grinding belts
ua-cam.com/video/Popg_MEOvrQ/v-deo.html
How can I get this grinding jig in the USA? Looks like its from germany?
This is one of those aha! tools. i think it should not interfere when using a “file guide” to keep plunge lines equal ?
Thanks for watching Jack!
- Vinz
Nice rig. Tobias mentions in the video he just grinds 1 min to get to thickness. It is the time to go from 0.7 to 0.2mm? If so, impressive! All that series is super interesting.
Hi Tony! It was super impressive! Thanks for noticing. That speed of stock removal was due to a combination of good technique, an appropriate abrasive belt for the application, and the belt grinder speed also plays a big part on that
Cheers Tony!
Hey Tony, yes thats from 0.7 to approx. 0.2mm behind the edge
@@UKBladeshow Thanks for answering....Keep on going with your channel. Super interesting!
@@tobiashangler Thanks Tobias, I guess I need to practice and try to improve my process then! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience. beautifull knifes too!
There might be very good reasons why this wouldn't work, but has anyone considered using something kind of like a rifle sling? Basically something you could clamp to the work piece and then wrap around yourself so that you can brace and stabilize your upper body against this strap well your lower body and back get to stabilize in a very natural position?
I mean like it doesn't make much sense as a thing to do, but it just seems like it would solve some of the problems if you were going to hand grind
Can you please advise how I can purchase one of these Jigs , thank u
Hi Mike. Link is in the video description from Tobin Machines (Austria). Thanks!
where can you get one of these in the USA
Hi. I’m not sure if Tobin Machines can ship to the US but the link is in the video description or you can simply check it out HERE: www.tobinmachines.at/en/machines-for-knifemakers/attachments-for-belt-grinders/#tab-18673
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Where do I go to get one of these jigs?
Hi Don! Link is in the description of the video - thanks!
Cool sache das mit frei Handschleifen bekomme ich nicht hin.Bin voll der Anfänger 😂
Where can this jig be purchased? Or plans to make one?
Hi KillerKane! Thanks for the comment! This jig is readily available. Link is in the video description. Please let me know if you have trouble finding it. I hope that helps!
@@UKBladeshow Thanks! I’m old as dirt. Computers remain a mystery. I looked in the description but didn’t see it. I find that I often look right at something and miss it entirely. Never used a jig. First one I ever saw that made sense. Thanks!
How can purchase the jig???
Hi Rob. The link is in the video description. Thanks Rob!
I can’t get to a site where I can buy the jig through those links
Hi I’ll check the links but it is from Tobin Machines in Austria.
www.tobinmachines.at/?da_image=bs-1-2-2-2-2-4-3-2
That link takes me through Tia website with no English and I can’t order from there
How do I purchase one of those jigs
Hi David. Link is in the video description from Tobin Machines. Thanks!
Great video
Cheers Alex! I appreciate your feedback! Thanks!
- Vinz
I can’t get an order placed for one of the jigs-please help!
Damn fucking good video. I Thank you so much.
Thanks for the appreciation! I hope you’ll enjoy the other knife-making related videos we have too!
- Vinz
@@UKBladeshow Whole Channel is a Gold Mine. I'll keep digging!
i want that jig where can i find it
Hi MrX. It’s in the video description or you can simply check it out HERE: www.tobinmachines.at/en/machines-for-knifemakers/attachments-for-belt-grinders/#tab-18673
Austrian Will Stelter
Or maybe Will Stelter is an American Tobias Hangler 🤩😆
Do you sell of these jigs price please
Hi! Thanks for the comment. Links are in the description of the video or you can check them out HERE: www.tobinmachines.at/?da_image=bs-1-2-2-2-2-4-3-2
Been there, done that. All that he said is truth. But still, free hand grinding is what makes diference between boy and man.
I suggest learning freehand. If you get it down you will quickly be able to grind out blades.
WTF?
So at what point does a "handmade" become "machinemade" ?
[Neil kamimura enters chat with eyebrow raised]