Technically, if the avatar is meant to create balance, you could give birth to an evil avatar if world peace is somehow founded by the previous avatar and destruction is needed to bring good and evil back in balance.
Very true sometimes a great destruction is what is needed to start anew. Just as great lord shiva will dance the dance of destruction and the dance of creation
It was never about balance between good and evil but simply balance between the human world and the spirit world but Awatar Wan never managed it and so he separated the spirit world and the human world and tried to balance the four nations until they were ready to accept the spirit world again.
Gun wasn't evil. An evil person wouldn't be trying to save a village from destruction. He was just tired of people's bullshit. Imagine reincarnating for thousands of years and people still give you shit for their mistakes. Even when you're helping them. Not to mention that his personality was probably influenced by whoever raised him. He probably had emotionally distant relatives. Which led to him having a superiority complex.
It’s such a tough moral question, because you can understand the human element of feeling that way, but you can also understand the cosmic duty bestowed in the avatar to look past all of that and still do what’s right
@@AvatarStarYT Indeed. Which leads to the question : How much is even a cosmic being expected to do? I mean at some point we all have to be accountable for our own actions. So at what point do we (well they in the cartoon) finally decide to be responsible and change?
@@AvatarStarYT I mean it does come down to morals but the avatar doesn’t HAVE to help people who’s gonna make them lol they are the avatar the most powerful bender in the world….
@@hexawira7134where do you even learn about these other avatars besides the ones mentioned in the show i am lost i even want to know the source of where this guy found avatar gun from
I read the books.The way I see it he wasn't even remotely evil.He just got tired of dealing with humanity and wanted to quit a job he didn't really choose and leave them alone.And he didn't even do that. Aang ran away from his responsibilities at first too.Does that make him evil?
I'm giving Aang a pass for that because he was 12. Like, yeah- not a great decision, but I sort of get how a kid could consider this reasonable problem solving. If he'd done it as an _adult,_ I'd have been less impressed.
well no, an apathetic person would just not care to save the world, this avatar wanted to save the world he just saw the world as unsavable so he founded the solution of saving the world by destroying it and creating it anew. Which is the “destruction of life” hince the True form of “Evil” which is the “opposite of Live” this avatar wasn’t apathetic he was solely sympathetic… too sympathetic.
I think that Avatar Gun was a bit of a commentary on the ingratitude we've seen the Avatar as a whole be shown throughout the franchise; no matter what great things they accomplish, people always seem to deride them or say they're overrated or give them grief over their failings or not solving problems to a satisfactory extent whilst downplaying or outright ignoring the good they've done so far. Look at how Korra got treated by people in Republic City, complaining about the spirit vines whilst giving her absolutely no thanks for stopping the literal end of the world and then blaming her for all the damage caused by Kuvira when they'd all have been thrown into prison camps or worse if Korra hadn't fought and defeated her. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if more Avatars secretly or not-so-secretly felt this way during their careers.
We already have that, there's two novels about her. That's where the information is from. I haven't read them yet, currently in the middle of reading the Kyoshi novels, but those at least are really good and from what I've heard, the Yangchen books are also a pretty good read, albeit a bit different.
Or some new evil avatar that can interact with him on a spiritual level. If I or most people were The Avatar we'd be terror and leave Benders brutalized.
There are two Yangchen novels which are really good reads. Definitely recommend them if you're into reading books. They add so much more backstory to the world and the plot is really exciting.
Touché! When you quite literally carry the weight of the world on your shoulders, it makes sense that being forced to go at it alone makes it more difficult to manage the psychological weight of that burden. Of course, it is also going to be partly influenced by a person’s inherent individual psychology but it is basic psychology that having a solid support system & knowing you are not alone in carrying the weight makes for greater resilience. Kuruuk is a good example of someone that probably caused himself more suffering than was necessary because he took on his burdens alone, in secret. He thought he was protecting his loved ones but he only hurt himself; had he been honest with his team, they probably would’ve told him they WANTED to be there for him. I think that’s the best lesson that is provided during ATLA. One just has to listen to the way team Avatar Aang responded every time he wanted to distance himself and protect them from the dangers of the Avatar’s burdens. In order to face great burdens and live up to our responsibilities, we need to be willing to accept help and support.
"Evil" here is a strong word. Being disappointed and tired of human's repetitive failings isn't evil ... pessimistic and a bit nihilistic but not evil.
@@oldplagu3huh? Millenials, gen z, and gen alpha all have to clean up the damage the boomers and the generations before the boomers caused. Meanwhile Gen X is caught in the middle and clueless
@@RainbowFrogger No one can agree on the cut off between Millennials and Z. Because of that, there’s a “between” generation, Zillennials, that spans from 1995 to 1997.
@@Omnihilo I don’t think it’s about disagreement as much as a recognition that those years which are at the cusp of each generation create a subgroup of people who have relationship with both the former & later generations. They did that with the in-between years of Gen X & Millennials as well. Those of us born in years 1977 to 1983 are considered Xennials AND part of our official generations. I was born in 1983 so I am first a Millennial but also part of the Xennial subgroup because of some of the overlap with the Gen X experience. Ultimately, it’s not like there’s any science to these cut-offs, lol. These labels have to do with subjective opinions about formative events and experiences that define a “generation.” It makes sense that there are competing opinions about the recent generations since those sort of things aren’t fully clear until much later years with the benefit of hindsight.
@@Jayxroberts Having the same level of power and the same level of mastery are different. Not all the avatars are connected to the spiritual world. Naturally, others have more previous avatars to consult. Lastly, more present avatars can metal bend, blood bend, water heal, and take away the powers of others which wasn't true for all avatars.
I'd really be interested in an Avatar who is monitored and manipulated from the get-go, skewing their understanding of good and evil--or an Avatar who grows up in the lap of luxury as a royal or noble who finds it hard to get the love of the people because they assume that the Avatar is pompous and fails to understand them.
@@njamespdidn't they want to end the avatar cycle because they were sick of what humans so to have the humans and spirits coexist where balance are maintained by the spirits again?
I think the avatar trying to balance a world that he himself threw out of balance is ironic. Separation of spirits and humans was an act of imbalance as well as humans having permanent access to the elements. There must be a give and take and all humans know how to do is take unless there are boundaries preventing them. Wan separating Vaatu and Raava, separating spirits from the physical realm and humans, and allowing humans to permanently possess bending through the world into perpetual imbalance. The avatars existence itself causes an imbalance in nature. The Red Lotus were onto something but getting rid of the avatar wouldn’t solve all the problems created by Wan and his reincarnations.
I can see what they were trying to go for. It's like the bible. In the beginning God separate things out of nothingness/chaos/spirit to create them. Imprisoning evil into a tree though, idk if thats good storytelling.
The soul of an evil avatar being a vellain and haunting the current avatar sounds like a really interesting concept to me, it doesn’t have to be this specific one but I think you could create alought of parallel’s between a dark more vengeful avatar and whoever the current avatar is with this concept, as well as do things like him/her having a chance of taking over whenever the avatar state happens and other stuff like that.
Yeah an old Avatar refusing to allow a newer one to have their place in the cycle would have been INCREDIBLY interesting, especially given how depending on how much spiritual energy is concentrated in a specific location (occasionally dependent on the time of year like a solstice), and how connected an Avatar is to said place, and if the current Avatar has not yet mastered the Avatar state, an old Avatar can straight up body snatch a new one, even regaining their former appearance. I know only Roku does the latter in the original show, but that precedent means what Kyoshi does in the Netflix show is at least possible if not well executed from a writing perspective (diminishing Iroh's role in a story that is much more important for his character than Kyoshi's). And to me it's VERY clear that when Aang regained the Avatar State while fighting Ozai, that fight changed from Ozai vs Aang to Aang vs the Avatar. Aang gave up his kill shot with the lightning and was about to lose. It was clear that as soon as they were back online, the previous Avatars said "Fine, if you won't do it, we will." This wasn't one of Aang's blind rages. This was precise. They forced Aang aside, body snatched him and tried to force him to kill Ozai. Ozai wasn't even a player in the second half of that fight. He was just there. A fly to be swatted while the Avatar dealt with the real problems; Roku's lack of initiative or follow through, and Aang's naïve mercy. The most impressive thing Aang ever did was overpower them and say "No, I'm not going to end it like this." He wasn't even looking at Ozai when he said that. His eyes weren't even open. Aang was telling them to back off. So there's a lot of precedent that a previous Avatar could do a full body snatch on a less experienced Avatar, or one less tapped into their spiritual abilities than Aang was. The only issue they'd have is keeping the other Avatars at bay to ensure only their mind did the body snatch as opposed to just going into the Avatar State normally. Granted that's a pretty big issue. The inverse of this could have been quite interesting as well. Perhaps a newer Avatar (or flash back in time to before Aang and just make them the current Avatar of whatever era we're looking at) was becoming more of an antagonist. Perhaps choosing to use their power to lash out at the world as revenge for some great tragedy instead of choosing to restore balance. Such an Avatar would likely have extreme difficulty controlling the Avatar State, likely more than Aang, since the previous Avatars would either be trying to keep their distance to prevent this villainous Avatar from accessing the power, or they'd be extremely invasive, trying to take full control of the current Avatar's body. This clash of wills (and no Katara to reign this Avatar in) could wipe out entire cities if the former Avatars weren't careful.
I find the fact that Gun can just possess a young Yangchen withouth any prompting, we've seen Aang and other Avatar channel past lives but one taking over like that sounds like a dark fic but it's canon. Wow. Suddenly Korra seems better off after all, at least she doesn't have Gun lurking in her soul.
Imagine if the avatar cycle and accessing your past life worked in a similar way to moon knights different personalities or like if an avatar from a past life could take over the current avatars body is a parasitic way. Or imagine if there was an avatar that died young but wanted to live vicariously through the current avatar to overcompensate for that.
Seems more like he became apathetic. I don't know if it justifies I'm being truly evil or not. Maybe dangerously close. But it sounds like he just gave up & no longer saw the good in people. Peace like he was thinking is impossible. You have to have both peace & chaos in order for the world & its people to grow.
Well, maybe, but still doesn't explain the hatred of humans. Kuruk dealt with the Spirits and it cost him time from helping humans, and Yangchen helped bring balance in the world, though mostly with humans. Neither of them ended up being super dark or upset with the other plane of existence, spirit or physical world.
I won't say the Avatars can be evil but there is a tendency for them to be 'self righteous' and forceful. (ie Kiyoshi having no qualms to straight up murder people and threaten the Earth King) Always felt that an 'evil' Avatar would be one who is sick of human's bollocks that s/he would just use his/her powers to become a dictator (sort of like Leto II from Dune).
Avatar Kiyoshi split what would become Kiyoshi Island from the mainland and was moving it away from the Earth Kingdom but the Earth King was a dumbass and refused to move so he fell into the ocean and died (or got crushed, I’m not sure nor do I care). Now sure Kiyoshi would later discuss this with Aang, with him saying _”you_ didn’t kill him, he just refused to move out of the way” and she replied “I fail to see the difference”. To me this means she acknowledges her actions (splitting the land and moving the island) caused his death but she also feels no guilt. Personally I agree with Aang: Kiyoshi didn’t *murder* him
I love how immature we all are about calling things "Evil" or "Good". We assume that just because it tries to help that is it good and just becsuse it is try to destroy it is evil. How childish.
Based purely on what i've heard in this video Gun never actually DID anything evil though Hating humanity is by itself not an evil act What did he actually DO that gives him the title of 'evil' avatar?
The thing is, he was close to losing it, I agree with you, but Gun didn't hit his breaking point yet. If he did, then he would do nothing and go away like the avatar never existed, but if it goes deep, then there's a possible chance that he could attack others instead
@AvatarStarYT I think it was something that Raava didn't know about him. It did develop over time, after all. But I don't think Gun would use the avatar state, only his own mastery of the elements
@@AvatarStarYT by that same logic both Aang, Korra Kyoshi and a few other avatars wouldn't qualify either Both Aang and Korra have had thoughts that weren't exactly morally sound if looked at with a healthy dose of scrutiny and Kyoshi fully confessed to murdering that one guy that came to her village Not to mention that Avatar Wan (the very first avatar no less) was by all rights a thief even if he stole what he stole with the best of intentions So one Avatar having extremely negative thoughts on humanity (which honestly might not be entirely unfounded or undeserved) should not disqualify them from the title or position especially since his overall actions as described in the video are comparatively mild in contrast to their inner thoughts After all even someone with the most demented thoughts may still perform acts of good even if they put their mind to it
Balance doesn't mean what you will do to keep that balance is going to be good. Whenever you read something like "Only the pure of heart can hold this weapon." Recognize that someone's heart can be of pure evil or of pure envy or greed so on and so on. To me these "loop holes" can make for amazing storyline opportunities.
So many cool avatar concepts we've been seeing lately; I've wanted to see an Avatar that would live in a time that mirrors what Aang's time experienced. A Fire Nation Avatar that has to try and balance the world, even though the Water Tribes and Earth Kingdom want to wage war on it. (The premise being, fire is viewed as too destructive and dangerous, so the other 3 major world powers attempt to wage war and wipe out the Fire Benders. So, the Avatar has to chose how to handle the situation, perhaps with an issue of the Fire Nation viewing their Avatar as a traitor to their people if they don't fight in their defense)
@@Khaos00 I think premise is good. Make it something like a prequel as we sequel has already has happened that's is korra. That all 3 kingdoms want to wipe out all the firebenders as fire seem to be the strongest element and Avatar tries to protect fire kingdom.
@@kashutosh9132 lol the comment was edited the premise is much better now, compared to what I initially read(which I can't even remember 😂). I've honestly had alotta stories I feel would be good.
It would be cool if Avatar studios expanded to the past showing more interesting and unique stories about the Past Avatars (way back before Yangchen) in their each era like Assassin's Creed or Star Wars Legends. That would be cool
Gun wasn't evil. He just didn't like how humans are naturally creating chaos and evil. He think humans doesn't deserve the Avatar but still never held himself back from helping them. He believed humans are to ruled by someone strong and smart because they don't have what it takes to make their own decisions.
Guess he got tired of people's bulls. Imagine doing the same thing over and over again for millennia but people still couldn't be grateful or repeat the same mistake. Poor Gun. He just needed a break.
LoK really blew the opportunity to have an Avatar be an antagonist. I love LoK, but Season 2 blew a gigantic hole in the story's lore. Several, actually. The worst in my opinion being making the Avatar literally fuse with the spirit of light and goodness as their origin and source of power. I think Avatar Wan's story was SO close to being good but they misfired. In my opinion, instead of accidentally being responsible for the growth in Vaatu (spirit of darkness and evil... ugh, such nuance)'s power, there should have been a spirit that dubbed itself the Spirit of Balance (key part, it gave itself that title and duty. No matter how powerful, virtuous or fair this original spirit was, this would subtly emphasise that the Avatar at the end of the day really has no more right to bring balance to the world than anyone else, and therefore makes it more understandable for other spirits to ignore the Avatar's will, like Wan Shi Tong). One being, that Wan accidentally gets killed, or wounded to the point where it can't continue. Perhaps with its mind doomed to fade and its power not far behind, until Wan decided to attempt to correct his mistake upon finding a way to fuse with the spirit, claiming its power but choosing to carry on a duty of someone who is completely gone. Similar to how Yue took on the Moon Spirits powers but the actual personality of the Moon Spirit seemed to have truly died. Yue seems quite enlightened after becoming a spirit, but she still seems mostly like herself. She never refers to herself as having existed before her own birth, like the former Moon Spirit might have. By keeping Raava in play, LoK made Raava the undisputed master of the Avatar. She has more of a say than any past life. She is the incarnation of good. She can't be wrong. It's just so boring. But if Wan took the power of a spirit he looked up to but a spirit who was unquestionably gone, then every Avatar is free to interpret their duty as they see fit. Every Avatar, like every human, would be capable of great kindness and also great cruelty, without the possibility of the Spirit of Light just stepping in and telling them what is the right call, which Raava can do, even if she is presented as a little fallible in Wan's story.
This is my pet peeve with the Legend of Korra. There is no good. There is no evil. Just different perceptions and takes on every action and inaction. Some forces oppose each other, others attract, and the rest will do what they do, and dumbing that down to good and evil is anti-spiritual and extremely material. A human avatar turning his back on humanity or even contemplating it's destruction isn't evil, but a lot of other humans would note that it's pretty effed up. It's not evil because humanity isn't all there is to the world, life prevails, energy flows and evolves, and what's meant to be is meant to be, etc, etc. Saving humanity is not good because the world does not revolve around humanity, they're pretty destructive for animals, and the world would keep spinning with or without them. Humans are good, bad, and okay only to other creatures that can perceive such information, that also acknowledge it. Bias, discrimination, and opinions. Gun had them as does every other human avatar, as do every other human. If Yangchen thought that Gun was evil, as well as every other human, so be it. But Gun was an Avatar, and even something as unspecific as "Balance" isn't clear cut. All that matters is that it is somehow obtained. If humanity is destroyed, I'd imagine that Gun would have to find something else to put on the scales so they wouldn't tip out of favor.
But looking at Yang Chen it makes sense. She was all for the humans, even in cases where spirits were involved, resulting in her next life as Kuruk being cut extremely short fighting those spirits. Ofc she saw an opposing view as evil. Gun was against humanity, she was for humanity.
This film should be vast as much as every avatar story needs to be. Not only about aang and Korra to be honest. Wish they could make a story about every other avatar. Would’ve been so interesting especially about Avatar Kyoshi
Ive wondered for so long if there was an evil avatar.But this proves it imagine getting reincarnated thousands of time fixing the world again and again just for humans to make it worse
Good and evil are entirely subjective. So whose definition is used to make that determination? To Ozai and thousands of fire nation citizens Avatar Aang was evil. To Vaatu and Zaheer Korra was evil. . So is it based on what the majority of people say is evil? What if the society has grown decadent and corrupt ( by most of our standards)? Or based on what the avatar themselves say is evil? Or based on what some old spirit(s) say is evil?
yk the funny thing is since both rava and vatu are in the avatar now and the darkness always eats the light and vise versa eventually maybe in the next harmonic conversion we will get evil avatars for the next 10k years
He was right to an extent each avatar gives their life's to bring balance and people just screw it up again, most of the avatars were focused on peace to bring balance cause it was needed at that time but i see it as a yin-yang were to much chaos that avatar brings order to much order the avatar in the world at that time brings chaos to balance it out so yes we could have an evil avatar but most likely it would be out of the need to balance the world back out now thats not justifying the notion that there can't be just and evil avatar when its not needed but looking at how the cycle works in the concept of yin-yang allows for their to be an "evil avatar" in a sense
There is a reason why avatar is an avatar LOL…they’ve been choosen for a certain purpose..not randomly choosed…and that’s why they’re no evil avatar…it just that their way of restoring balance to the world etc, or how they dealt with their current era problem (modern problem with modern solution LOL)
Idk if he’s evil; just frustrated. He worked tirelessly to bring balance to the world (which is an inherently un-completeable task) and kept catching shit from people that thought they had a better understanding of the balance an avatar should bring
If there is more good then evil the required amount of evil could just be left with the avatar who takes out those who are causing the war on both sides. Like if toph and katara are fighting aang taking down both would technically cause piece
The dark avatar of vaatu should be canon...and air bender since should take inverse cycle that the regular one...also a great story about nature and determinstion
wait! the white lotus existed before Aang and Korra :0 i thought they were only formed after the 100 year war unless they brought that organization back
Would love to see this concept played out in the newest avatar since Korea Lost the Avatar connection. Like while the new avatar is looking for the ways to reconnect, the first avatar we meet is the most questionably evil one
So I've been writing the next generation of the Avatar. So quick summary due to Vaatu being released and melding with Unoloch the first dark Avatar. Then when Korra fused with Rava defeated him and allowed them to merge into a single entity. Part of the reason I felt Korra was sick. Cause, when you think about Yang energy, is physical manifestation. The four elements are physical manifestations. And due to this Rava can utilize the four elements. Vaatu represents the Yin energy or that of mind. Mental energies are linked to 7 variations.Trauma, Development, Transfiguration, Connection, Expression, Clarity and Enlightenment. Next world building keeping with the theme of Diversity of Avatar I created factions. The Civil Union, this a faction of non benders that focused primarily on industry and human rights. They have built remarkable feats of engineering to battle against spirits. Spiritus faction, due to spirits increasingly entering our world. Those capable of understanding them would allow spirits to inhabit their bodies and merge with them. This allowed those to obtain a hybrid Spirit us form. Like the power of spirit with the ingenuity of human. This will bring in good spirits that are seen as guardians. And evil spirits that consume people as nightmares. Traditionalist faction these are the historical buffs of the old world. They reject the changing times and set in their ways. They hold the greatest benders. As due to many lacking proper discipline, culture and purpose. The power of the bending has declined. Independent factions these are the left overs of the world the forgotten. The poor, impoverished, I'll and casualties. They hold a little bit of all the factions. Yet due to them different they are shunned. Like a spirit child born with a serpents tail. Or bender that can only use ice. Perhaps industrialist that encounter accidents. The Independent faction greatest struggle are the drugs. Spirit plants have been used to create Refrain. A drug that allows one to live in a Euphoric state. This leads to how I approach the Avatar. In this instance their are actually two Avatars. Vaatu and Raava due to being separated for so long couldn't fully merged into each other. Raava had become dependent on the Avatar cycle. I changed Raava shape to be more humanoid angel like aesthetic. Whilst Vaatu had taken on a feral monster aesthetic. Any way the new Avatars Castor the girl and Pollux the boy was born to addict of their mother. I did this create immediate character tension. Yes the mother is an addict, but she still takes care of them always with a smile, working hard and full of bubbly energy. Castor was proud of her mother for everything she did. No matter how bad things got she pushed on. Yet Pollux with Vaatu learned to sense Chi at an early age. He could see spirits and the state they were in. Often Pollux is seen to talking objects or thin air. When in fact he js talking with spirits. Pollux saw that there was a darkness in his mother they kept growing. As such Pollux would go out trying to find answers. Pollux wanted to be doctor and help cure his mother of her mysterious illness. As the two Avatars would grow. Castor started to come into her bending. Immediately she used her bending to help her mother garden. She was careful to hide her bending. Knowing that crime syndicates take young benders to be in their ranks. Castor carefully practice her bending to ensure the proper climate for plants. Whilst Pollux interest in the healing arts lead him to intern with people. Pollux came to the ability to absorb the misfortune of others. He learned that by absorbing the negative people will find new vigor. Both the twins gradually improved their community. Until a crime syndicate boss came around and demanded for their mother to pay. Being an earth bender and realtor if one couldn't pay rent he would crush their homes. Even in a such a way to gain insurance money. As he came to evict them their mother attempted to defend their children. However the boss also reveals to be her dealer. Then in a twist of impulsiveness she took the drug. When Pollux came to witness a horrid sight he leapt in without thinking. Immediate stabbing the boss with syringe. As this happens Pollux is slammed against the earth repeatedly, thus killing him in the process. Yet Vaatu wouldn't allow this. Given the amount of energy he amassed he decided to heal the child. Before the mothers eyes Pollux's body contorts back to normal and is healed. His eyes swallowed by darkness, he uses his shadow to swallow the boss. As the mother saw this she was horrified. Not just by the Pollux's resurrection, but that he killed the only man she loved and their father. Even as his mother was heart broken Pollux admitted to feel nothing. He did the fair thing. He tried to kill him so he got killed. Hearing this the mother Slaps Pollux calling him a monster saying she never wanted to see him agai. That ever since he was born he had terrified her. That no matter the injury Pollux would heal in moments like it was nothing. Pollux attempts to fix his mother by absorbing her negative energy. This is when Castor arrives as she sees Pollux siphoning Chi from their mother. As she uses bending to push Pollux off she accidentally severally hurts him. Yet before she can feel regret he heals back. Pollux then feels they can be happy if he can absorb all their negativity. As she says this his shadow moves about in the shape of Vaatu. This triggers Castor Avatar state, but even with her power she couldn't kill her brother. Yet Pollux who knows the medical arts didn't mind plunging a dagger in her side. Telling not to worry once he is done they will have no memory of this. Castor Avatar state seemingly evolved as symbols appear on her skin. Suddenly she bends vapor a mist filled with her energy. Then wraps around her brother to instantly turn the mist into steam. Even with this Pollux walks forth with heavy burns all over his body. Castor then taken their mother and escaped. When Pollux finally saw himself in the mirror he saw what everyone else did. A monster, but strangely this only made him laugh hysterically. Book 1: Divergent Paths, Castor would be found by Civil Union faction. They held devices to sense spiritual energy. The more dangerous the spirit the more energy it held. Their devices broke instantly when Castor was there. She begged for them to help her mother. Castor admitted that her memory is fuzzy. Pollux disfigured would take black cloth and wrap it around his body over and over. Pollux searched for the crime syndicate. Willingly joining their ranks. He longed to get his sister and mother back. But knew he was far too weak. Learning how to fight against various benders. And secretly improving his shadow bending. He learned to overshadow others. Making them into puppets that he can control. Pollux learns by absorbing Chi he gains the memories of others. 10 years would pass as Castor would be the head secretary in Civil Union. She served as negotiation between the other two factions. To represent the people. She would only use her Avatar state sparingly not rely on it. As each time she does she feels this dark presence in her dreams. Telling her that he is coming. Yet she uses her bending less the dreams subside. Pollux has become head of the crime syndicate. Pollux has reduced the ranks of thousands of members to only a select few. Pollux experimented with his powers to allow a unique guard. Andrew Macho Savage, a pro wrestler given air bending. Andrew uses various breathing techniques to improve his abilities. Even with his large muscular frame can move like the wind. Muramasa, a blacksmith earth bender. Is a master of weapons. The weapons he forges can even harm and kill spirits. Vlad Hannibal, and Pollux tutor is a talented healer. Yet always hid his secret of being a blood bender. Often Vlad consume the blood of others to learn their illnesses. After being caught and misunderstood. Many called him a criminal, despite his decades of helping others. Vlad uses poisons & medicines in his blood. Azulia, the world's only plasma bender. Azuliawas talented fire bender even from a young age. By her adolescence she had become a top tier lighting bender. Yet this didn't satisfy her. An experiment to go beyond lightning caused her to create a plasma ball. A simple accident causes her to kill dozens of people and many injured. Though she is pure hearted, kind and respectful. Many only see her ad terrorists. So this is just summary notes, of intro and book 1. I'm working to Book 5. 7 in total. Why cause I wanted to give each faction a book of their own. And give the side characters as much attention as the main. Each explores a fundamental issue of our society. When writing due to my background. I took a TVMA perspective. My life hasn't been all flowers. Sen some horrible things. I've taken inspiration from Berserk and Hunter X Hunter. This helps bridge the Good of Avatar. The bad of Hunter X Hunter. And the Ugly of berserk
is it really considered evil? he never did anything to harm humans though just only showed his disdain for humans by laughing maniacally. then yanchen snapped out of it and thats the end of it. he never DID anything evil at all during his time as avatar. he just failed to stop a tsunami.
Hi I like the way you edited the video to match what the video is about and The Legend of Kora and Avatar the Last Airbender are my favorite shows too! I'd really like to check out the live action series as well. I wonder if it's as good as the show was. I hope they did a good job with it.
Rava and Vaatu were bad writing, and I think the new writer for the Yangchen novels knew it. Good and evil don't need to come from outside sources like spirits they come from our own complicated humanity.
He disrupted the fight because Vaatu manipulate him by thinking he was an innocent spirit who was being hurted by Raava until Wan mistakenly free's him and led him to wander the spirits and tries to spread chaos
Years ago I have a fan made avatar story during guru laghima's era. here is what i can remember: the avatar came from the earth kingdom grew up orphaned in a era full of conflicts therefore he decides to end all conflicts. the avatar wants to unite all people regardless of their nation and will try to conquer all nation in order to end the conflicts. the avatars believes that conflicts starts with leaders disagreeing with each other so he believes that the world would be at peace if it is ruled by only one person. laghima will then find people and create a death squad to stop the avatar from conquering other nations. -a firebender that has different fire colors similar to the flames of the dragons from the firebending masters episode of ATLA (orange: long range projectiles, blue: medium range projectiles, white: melee only, red: liquid fire kind like molotov, gray: scatter ash that can explode at will, can also be used as smokescreen). -a sand bender that can also crystal bend. -a water bender that can "moisture bend" similar to hama when she pull water out of air. -and a non-bender samurai with medic backgrounds who also invented chi-blocking because of acupuncture he use as treatment for patient. in that story, laghima will unlock the flight ability but laghima's ultimate technique is Sound bending. In my story, the sound can incapacitate the enemy but it can also destroy a person's body if the user wants. think the red lotus but reverse, the avatar is kinda evil.
@@theicecreamcookiemonster1746 can't remember it, forgot a lot of details of the story. looking at it now, i think the avatar would get destroyed. so if i redo it, might give the avatar it's own team.
@@redswordz9131 cool my idea for a fallen avatar is named avatar Shin who is the price of the north and his mentor guide is a sprit that has Manipulated the avatar into thinking chaos is the only justice in a time of peace and this sprit can shatter the minds of humans and did teach the avatar bone bending and the north has to queens a fire and water and it’s 2000 years before Yangchen my idea for a fallen avatar
He wasn’t evil. He was just jaded by humanity and the burden of looking after it. Anyone of us would be if we were in his shoes. Being the avatar is practically a curse.
Honestly calling Gun evil is quite a stretch. He was definitely a cynic because he was tired of people taking him for granted. Basically they thought of him as a safety net rather than a fire extinguisher, so they had as much freedom to screw around as much as they like and he'd always be there to catch them.
This video seems to be a pretty bad representation. He wasn't evil, just tired of the BS - I suppose... Which is fair. You're just a human, who didn't choose to bear the cosmic responsibility, it must be incredibly taxing. Kuruk is another prime example of this. If he had been evil or didn't care at all, he wouldn't have tried to protect. He would have forsaken his duties. All he does is ask why, why any of it matters... At most he's a misanthrope... but that does not make one bad or mean they wish to see people harmed!
Bit of a deep read into the book man. I don’t think the book gives enough to say he’s evil. He was just struggling with his role and having some emotional issues in my opinion.
It would be interesting to see a story where the avatar is actually the villain. It could be because of dark spiritual corruption, the world being too good and needing “balance”, etc. and the goal would be to try and kill this avatar so the next can be better.
you can't destroy vattu just like you can't destroy rava. so even by killing dark avatar UnaVaatu he would be reincarnated just like the avatar from Rava. So technically there is an evil avatar. I mean they are two different version of this: One: the dark avatar will come back. Two : by not just killing him but making him purifying him they destroyed vatuu forever
@AvatarStarYT technically unlocked was a dark avatar as that was his goal....this avatar is an evil avatar....but unlock having the dark spirit literally makes him the dark avatar
I want to see an avatar who didn't do their duties as one and just lived there love nonchalantly doing what they want that would be so fucking cool thx.
Old avatars being animated could be a great thing tho. Unlike naruto where previus generations are not that strong, each avatar could be facing same level threat like aang and ozai. My point is hundreds of avatars can be made and it wouldnt be boring
Finally someone else says it! Thank you friend! The whole of Korra reads like bad fan-fiction to me and was concerned I was alone in the feeling. Season one was decent, minus Korra gettting beat so bad but I could live with it as she was new to the job and was on her first adventure, but the rest had me sad as there was so many better ways to go about an evil avatar, bringing back air benders and an evil earth kingdom. Only good thing of the other seasons was the idea of a water tribe cival war. Should have kept that up and saved the evil kite for.....nothing cause evil kites are a dumb idea. Sorry for ranting lol
Ok I will concede that the fight scenes were well choreographed. I can't deny that. Art was good as well (minus whoever was in charge of spirits, evil kites and blobs of evil drag the whole thing down). Also will admit that the red lotus make for a good evil team Avatar. Though I still believe they should have saved that for the Avatar after Korra or make them her first villains. Amon was too good for an opening villian. The others just feel shallow and fall short in comparison.@@kashutosh9132
Bad english If you in Yang Chen situation. Don't let emotion take over especially when the other one have much stronger emotion. It can make you loose your grip of your memory. If acting. Dont go to deep into that character script. Some said late Heath Ledger going to deep in Joker character and some said that is how Fight Club situation happened.
Technically, if the avatar is meant to create balance, you could give birth to an evil avatar if world peace is somehow founded by the previous avatar and destruction is needed to bring good and evil back in balance.
Very true sometimes a great destruction is what is needed to start anew. Just as great lord shiva will dance the dance of destruction and the dance of creation
So basically Anakin Skywalker?
It was never about balance between good and evil but simply balance between the human world and the spirit world but Awatar Wan never managed it and so he separated the spirit world and the human world and tried to balance the four nations until they were ready to accept the spirit world again.
It was about balance between the human and spirit world. And to create that balance there had to be peace in the human world
Very good point actually, this could be the situation since we don't have much detail about his time period
Gun wasn't evil. An evil person wouldn't be trying to save a village from destruction. He was just tired of people's bullshit. Imagine reincarnating for thousands of years and people still give you shit for their mistakes. Even when you're helping them. Not to mention that his personality was probably influenced by whoever raised him. He probably had emotionally distant relatives. Which led to him having a superiority complex.
It’s such a tough moral question, because you can understand the human element of feeling that way, but you can also understand the cosmic duty bestowed in the avatar to look past all of that and still do what’s right
Sounds like our world lol
@@AvatarStarYT Indeed. Which leads to the question : How much is even a cosmic being expected to do? I mean at some point we all have to be accountable for our own actions. So at what point do we (well they in the cartoon) finally decide to be responsible and change?
@@Spyro757 Yep
@@AvatarStarYT I mean it does come down to morals but the avatar doesn’t HAVE to help people who’s gonna make them lol they are the avatar the most powerful bender in the world….
I wish we could see previous Avatars more often.
Me too, especially avatar Imiq and avatar Lua
@@hexawira7134 who?
@@samothsthenitrofenine3414😂😂😂 right I’m like never heard of either lls
Are they nicknames for the Air Nomad with the sword before gun and the fire princess before the air nomad?
@@hexawira7134where do you even learn about these other avatars besides the ones mentioned in the show i am lost i even want to know the source of where this guy found avatar gun from
I read the books.The way I see it he wasn't even remotely evil.He just got tired of dealing with humanity and wanted to quit a job he didn't really choose and leave them alone.And he didn't even do that.
Aang ran away from his responsibilities at first too.Does that make him evil?
Very interesting moral question honestly, I can see it both ways for both of these avatars
What books are you talking about? Can you give me titles?
Yangchen novels.
1)Dawn of Yangchen
2)Legacy of Yangchen
@@AvatarStarYTThis is unrelated, but do you think that the next novel should focus on Avatar Szeto during his early years as the Avatar ?
I'm giving Aang a pass for that because he was 12. Like, yeah- not a great decision, but I sort of get how a kid could consider this reasonable problem solving. If he'd done it as an _adult,_ I'd have been less impressed.
Not necessarily evil. He wasn't a serial killer or corrupt businessman. He was just apathetic.
well no, an apathetic person would just not care to save the world, this avatar wanted to save the world he just saw the world as unsavable so he founded the solution of saving the world by destroying it and creating it anew.
Which is the “destruction of life”
hince the True form of “Evil” which is the “opposite of Live”
this avatar wasn’t apathetic he was solely sympathetic… too sympathetic.
@@RellyYu just like thanos
Ho, very well explained @@RellyYu
*misanthropic* more like
He wasn’t even a real avatar this was all fan made, this video is misleading. Their is no “evil” avatar in the lore/cannon and their is no avatar gun
I think that Avatar Gun was a bit of a commentary on the ingratitude we've seen the Avatar as a whole be shown throughout the franchise; no matter what great things they accomplish, people always seem to deride them or say they're overrated or give them grief over their failings or not solving problems to a satisfactory extent whilst downplaying or outright ignoring the good they've done so far. Look at how Korra got treated by people in Republic City, complaining about the spirit vines whilst giving her absolutely no thanks for stopping the literal end of the world and then blaming her for all the damage caused by Kuvira when they'd all have been thrown into prison camps or worse if Korra hadn't fought and defeated her.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if more Avatars secretly or not-so-secretly felt this way during their careers.
Ok, now we need a Yangchen spin-off.
We already have that, there's two novels about her. That's where the information is from. I haven't read them yet, currently in the middle of reading the Kyoshi novels, but those at least are really good and from what I've heard, the Yangchen books are also a pretty good read, albeit a bit different.
Or some new evil avatar that can interact with him on a spiritual level. If I or most people were The Avatar we'd be terror and leave Benders brutalized.
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Wait, why? Why would you brutalize benders?
There are two Yangchen novels which are really good reads. Definitely recommend them if you're into reading books. They add so much more backstory to the world and the plot is really exciting.
@@rany404where can I get the books. I've only seen the shows.
Honestly being the Avatar is a tiresome job, and Gun probably didn't have his own team Avatar which made his job difficult
Touché!
When you quite literally carry the weight of the world on your shoulders, it makes sense that being forced to go at it alone makes it more difficult to manage the psychological weight of that burden.
Of course, it is also going to be partly influenced by a person’s inherent individual psychology but it is basic psychology that having a solid support system & knowing you are not alone in carrying the weight makes for greater resilience.
Kuruuk is a good example of someone that probably caused himself more suffering than was necessary because he took on his burdens alone, in secret. He thought he was protecting his loved ones but he only hurt himself; had he been honest with his team, they probably would’ve told him they WANTED to be there for him.
I think that’s the best lesson that is provided during ATLA. One just has to listen to the way team Avatar Aang responded every time he wanted to distance himself and protect them from the dangers of the Avatar’s burdens.
In order to face great burdens and live up to our responsibilities, we need to be willing to accept help and support.
"Evil" here is a strong word. Being disappointed and tired of human's repetitive failings isn't evil ... pessimistic and a bit nihilistic but not evil.
Avatar Gun wasn't evil, he's basically the Avatar version of a Millennial: tired of the bullshit around him made by other people that he has to fix.
you're acting like millennials are in the right. Gen z is the real problem.
@@oldplagu3huh? Millenials, gen z, and gen alpha all have to clean up the damage the boomers and the generations before the boomers caused.
Meanwhile Gen X is caught in the middle and clueless
@rainbowfranklin Oldest of Gen Z are 26 (1997-2013).
@@RainbowFrogger No one can agree on the cut off between Millennials and Z. Because of that, there’s a “between” generation, Zillennials, that spans from 1995 to 1997.
@@Omnihilo I don’t think it’s about disagreement as much as a recognition that those years which are at the cusp of each generation create a subgroup of people who have relationship with both the former & later generations. They did that with the in-between years of Gen X & Millennials as well. Those of us born in years 1977 to 1983 are considered Xennials AND part of our official generations. I was born in 1983 so I am first a Millennial but also part of the Xennial subgroup because of some of the overlap with the Gen X experience.
Ultimately, it’s not like there’s any science to these cut-offs, lol. These labels have to do with subjective opinions about formative events and experiences that define a “generation.” It makes sense that there are competing opinions about the recent generations since those sort of things aren’t fully clear until much later years with the benefit of hindsight.
Imagine if this dude has Kyoshis raw power level. He'd actually be so close in achieving his goal so easily.
Quite scary to think about haha
In the kyoshi novels she's new to bending
Lol he could have destroyed the world if he wanted
All avatars have the same power level. Most hold back immensely bc that’s what they’re taught. Their raw power can be extremely dangerous to others.
@@Jayxroberts Having the same level of power and the same level of mastery are different. Not all the avatars are connected to the spiritual world. Naturally, others have more previous avatars to consult. Lastly, more present avatars can metal bend, blood bend, water heal, and take away the powers of others which wasn't true for all avatars.
I'd really be interested in an Avatar who is monitored and manipulated from the get-go, skewing their understanding of good and evil--or an Avatar who grows up in the lap of luxury as a royal or noble who finds it hard to get the love of the people because they assume that the Avatar is pompous and fails to understand them.
His past lives will always put him of the right track
@@xalvador5165 Unless they're deprived of spirituality and finds it hard to communicate with them.
Didn't the red lotus attempt to do that by kidnapping young korra?
@@Ezio470didnt they tried to kidnap korra because they want to end the avatar cycle? not indoctrinate korra
@@njamespdidn't they want to end the avatar cycle because they were sick of what humans so to have the humans and spirits coexist where balance are maintained by the spirits again?
its cool to think about how this kind of relates to vaatu and raava always coming back to balance each other
In my mind, Korra isn't canon and I treat it as just a spin-off of the Avatar (Aang's story) to continue making money.
I think the avatar trying to balance a world that he himself threw out of balance is ironic. Separation of spirits and humans was an act of imbalance as well as humans having permanent access to the elements. There must be a give and take and all humans know how to do is take unless there are boundaries preventing them. Wan separating Vaatu and Raava, separating spirits from the physical realm and humans, and allowing humans to permanently possess bending through the world into perpetual imbalance. The avatars existence itself causes an imbalance in nature. The Red Lotus were onto something but getting rid of the avatar wouldn’t solve all the problems created by Wan and his reincarnations.
I can see what they were trying to go for. It's like the bible. In the beginning God separate things out of nothingness/chaos/spirit to create them. Imprisoning evil into a tree though, idk if thats good storytelling.
Separating spirits from humans is kinda like the fall from the garden of eden. Adam and eve the first humans are separated from paradise/spirit world
Why isn't this a show, we need more 😫
The soul of an evil avatar being a vellain and haunting the current avatar sounds like a really interesting concept to me, it doesn’t have to be this specific one but I think you could create alought of parallel’s between a dark more vengeful avatar and whoever the current avatar is with this concept, as well as do things like him/her having a chance of taking over whenever the avatar state happens and other stuff like that.
Yeah an old Avatar refusing to allow a newer one to have their place in the cycle would have been INCREDIBLY interesting, especially given how depending on how much spiritual energy is concentrated in a specific location (occasionally dependent on the time of year like a solstice), and how connected an Avatar is to said place, and if the current Avatar has not yet mastered the Avatar state, an old Avatar can straight up body snatch a new one, even regaining their former appearance. I know only Roku does the latter in the original show, but that precedent means what Kyoshi does in the Netflix show is at least possible if not well executed from a writing perspective (diminishing Iroh's role in a story that is much more important for his character than Kyoshi's).
And to me it's VERY clear that when Aang regained the Avatar State while fighting Ozai, that fight changed from Ozai vs Aang to Aang vs the Avatar. Aang gave up his kill shot with the lightning and was about to lose. It was clear that as soon as they were back online, the previous Avatars said "Fine, if you won't do it, we will." This wasn't one of Aang's blind rages. This was precise. They forced Aang aside, body snatched him and tried to force him to kill Ozai. Ozai wasn't even a player in the second half of that fight. He was just there. A fly to be swatted while the Avatar dealt with the real problems; Roku's lack of initiative or follow through, and Aang's naïve mercy. The most impressive thing Aang ever did was overpower them and say "No, I'm not going to end it like this." He wasn't even looking at Ozai when he said that. His eyes weren't even open. Aang was telling them to back off.
So there's a lot of precedent that a previous Avatar could do a full body snatch on a less experienced Avatar, or one less tapped into their spiritual abilities than Aang was. The only issue they'd have is keeping the other Avatars at bay to ensure only their mind did the body snatch as opposed to just going into the Avatar State normally. Granted that's a pretty big issue.
The inverse of this could have been quite interesting as well. Perhaps a newer Avatar (or flash back in time to before Aang and just make them the current Avatar of whatever era we're looking at) was becoming more of an antagonist. Perhaps choosing to use their power to lash out at the world as revenge for some great tragedy instead of choosing to restore balance. Such an Avatar would likely have extreme difficulty controlling the Avatar State, likely more than Aang, since the previous Avatars would either be trying to keep their distance to prevent this villainous Avatar from accessing the power, or they'd be extremely invasive, trying to take full control of the current Avatar's body. This clash of wills (and no Katara to reign this Avatar in) could wipe out entire cities if the former Avatars weren't careful.
I love how the lore is growing like star wars. I hope disney never gets their hands on this IP/
He sounds a bit like a witcher. People need him to deal with their shit, but hate him for it. And he hates them too, but keeps on helping.
I find the fact that Gun can just possess a young Yangchen withouth any prompting, we've seen Aang and other Avatar channel past lives but one taking over like that sounds like a dark fic but it's canon. Wow. Suddenly Korra seems better off after all, at least she doesn't have Gun lurking in her soul.
No, instead she has Vaatu now 😂
Imagine if the avatar cycle and accessing your past life worked in a similar way to moon knights different personalities or like if an avatar from a past life could take over the current avatars body is a parasitic way. Or imagine if there was an avatar that died young but wanted to live vicariously through the current avatar to overcompensate for that.
Quite scary haha
Seems more like he became apathetic.
I don't know if it justifies I'm being truly evil or not. Maybe dangerously close.
But it sounds like he just gave up & no longer saw the good in people. Peace like he was thinking is impossible. You have to have both peace & chaos in order for the world & its people to grow.
Korra: and this is why Vaatu disconnected us
I think gun focused more on spirits like Kuruk did
Well, maybe, but still doesn't explain the hatred of humans.
Kuruk dealt with the Spirits and it cost him time from helping humans, and Yangchen helped bring balance in the world, though mostly with humans. Neither of them ended up being super dark or upset with the other plane of existence, spirit or physical world.
A fun evil avatar would be if korra was raised by the red lotus but even then i have to doubt that she'd be "evil"
I won't say the Avatars can be evil but there is a tendency for them to be 'self righteous' and forceful. (ie Kiyoshi having no qualms to straight up murder people and threaten the Earth King)
Always felt that an 'evil' Avatar would be one who is sick of human's bollocks that s/he would just use his/her powers to become a dictator (sort of like Leto II from Dune).
Leto II wasn't really evil in a traditional sense though, he was kinda like necessary evil if you catch my drift
Avatar Kiyoshi split what would become Kiyoshi Island from the mainland and was moving it away from the Earth Kingdom but the Earth King was a dumbass and refused to move so he fell into the ocean and died (or got crushed, I’m not sure nor do I care). Now sure Kiyoshi would later discuss this with Aang, with him saying _”you_ didn’t kill him, he just refused to move out of the way” and she replied “I fail to see the difference”. To me this means she acknowledges her actions (splitting the land and moving the island) caused his death but she also feels no guilt.
Personally I agree with Aang: Kiyoshi didn’t *murder* him
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“Your Mesose costume’s great, but your thumb is on the wrong side!”
“My thumb’s not on-WTF!?”
It would be cool to see a series where this avatar is the main antagonist.
I love how immature we all are about calling things "Evil" or "Good".
We assume that just because it tries to help that is it good and just becsuse it is try to destroy it is evil. How childish.
Based purely on what i've heard in this video Gun never actually DID anything evil though
Hating humanity is by itself not an evil act
What did he actually DO that gives him the title of 'evil' avatar?
The thing is, he was close to losing it, I agree with you, but Gun didn't hit his breaking point yet. If he did, then he would do nothing and go away like the avatar never existed, but if it goes deep, then there's a possible chance that he could attack others instead
He did say, “Closest to ever being evil near the end”
Personally I think just having those thoughts is disqualifying as an avatar. I'm surprised the spirit of Raava even allowed them to enter his mind.
@AvatarStarYT I think it was something that Raava didn't know about him. It did develop over time, after all. But I don't think Gun would use the avatar state, only his own mastery of the elements
@@AvatarStarYT by that same logic both Aang, Korra Kyoshi and a few other avatars wouldn't qualify either
Both Aang and Korra have had thoughts that weren't exactly morally sound if looked at with a healthy dose of scrutiny and Kyoshi fully confessed to murdering that one guy that came to her village
Not to mention that Avatar Wan (the very first avatar no less) was by all rights a thief even if he stole what he stole with the best of intentions
So one Avatar having extremely negative thoughts on humanity (which honestly might not be entirely unfounded or undeserved) should not disqualify them from the title or position especially since his overall actions as described in the video are comparatively mild in contrast to their inner thoughts
After all even someone with the most demented thoughts may still perform acts of good even if they put their mind to it
Balance doesn't mean what you will do to keep that balance is going to be good. Whenever you read something like "Only the pure of heart can hold this weapon." Recognize that someone's heart can be of pure evil or of pure envy or greed so on and so on. To me these "loop holes" can make for amazing storyline opportunities.
Finally i get some informations about a past incarnation of the avatar 😍😍
Glad you like it!
So many cool avatar concepts we've been seeing lately;
I've wanted to see an Avatar that would live in a time that mirrors what Aang's time experienced.
A Fire Nation Avatar that has to try and balance the world, even though the Water Tribes and Earth Kingdom want to wage war on it.
(The premise being, fire is viewed as too destructive and dangerous, so the other 3 major world powers attempt to wage war and wipe out the Fire Benders. So, the Avatar has to chose how to handle the situation, perhaps with an issue of the Fire Nation viewing their Avatar as a traitor to their people if they don't fight in their defense)
I highly doubt the air nomad would get involved in that tho
Naw way to generic, there are alotta more interesting concept and ideas to explore
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I think premise is good. Make it something like a prequel as we sequel has already has happened that's is korra.
That all 3 kingdoms want to wipe out all the firebenders as fire seem to be the strongest element and Avatar tries to protect fire kingdom.
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Also what are your ideas?
@@kashutosh9132 lol the comment was edited the premise is much better now, compared to what I initially read(which I can't even remember 😂). I've honestly had alotta stories I feel would be good.
It would be cool if Avatar studios expanded to the past showing more interesting and unique stories about the Past Avatars (way back before Yangchen) in their each era like Assassin's Creed or Star Wars Legends. That would be cool
Gun never understood that Humanities ‘imperfections’ will forever be the ‘fire’ that fuels creation and gives purpose where there is none.
It’s funny how the creator of this series always choose a Waterbender Avatar to be the troublesome Avatar 😂
LMAOAOAOAO
Gun wasn't evil. He just didn't like how humans are naturally creating chaos and evil. He think humans doesn't deserve the Avatar but still never held himself back from helping them. He believed humans are to ruled by someone strong and smart because they don't have what it takes to make their own decisions.
Guess he got tired of people's bulls. Imagine doing the same thing over and over again for millennia but people still couldn't be grateful or repeat the same mistake. Poor Gun. He just needed a break.
LoK really blew the opportunity to have an Avatar be an antagonist. I love LoK, but Season 2 blew a gigantic hole in the story's lore. Several, actually. The worst in my opinion being making the Avatar literally fuse with the spirit of light and goodness as their origin and source of power. I think Avatar Wan's story was SO close to being good but they misfired. In my opinion, instead of accidentally being responsible for the growth in Vaatu (spirit of darkness and evil... ugh, such nuance)'s power, there should have been a spirit that dubbed itself the Spirit of Balance (key part, it gave itself that title and duty. No matter how powerful, virtuous or fair this original spirit was, this would subtly emphasise that the Avatar at the end of the day really has no more right to bring balance to the world than anyone else, and therefore makes it more understandable for other spirits to ignore the Avatar's will, like Wan Shi Tong).
One being, that Wan accidentally gets killed, or wounded to the point where it can't continue. Perhaps with its mind doomed to fade and its power not far behind, until Wan decided to attempt to correct his mistake upon finding a way to fuse with the spirit, claiming its power but choosing to carry on a duty of someone who is completely gone. Similar to how Yue took on the Moon Spirits powers but the actual personality of the Moon Spirit seemed to have truly died. Yue seems quite enlightened after becoming a spirit, but she still seems mostly like herself. She never refers to herself as having existed before her own birth, like the former Moon Spirit might have. By keeping Raava in play, LoK made Raava the undisputed master of the Avatar. She has more of a say than any past life. She is the incarnation of good. She can't be wrong. It's just so boring. But if Wan took the power of a spirit he looked up to but a spirit who was unquestionably gone, then every Avatar is free to interpret their duty as they see fit. Every Avatar, like every human, would be capable of great kindness and also great cruelty, without the possibility of the Spirit of Light just stepping in and telling them what is the right call, which Raava can do, even if she is presented as a little fallible in Wan's story.
This is my pet peeve with the Legend of Korra.
There is no good. There is no evil. Just different perceptions and takes on every action and inaction. Some forces oppose each other, others attract, and the rest will do what they do, and dumbing that down to good and evil is anti-spiritual and extremely material.
A human avatar turning his back on humanity or even contemplating it's destruction isn't evil, but a lot of other humans would note that it's pretty effed up. It's not evil because humanity isn't all there is to the world, life prevails, energy flows and evolves, and what's meant to be is meant to be, etc, etc. Saving humanity is not good because the world does not revolve around humanity, they're pretty destructive for animals, and the world would keep spinning with or without them. Humans are good, bad, and okay only to other creatures that can perceive such information, that also acknowledge it.
Bias, discrimination, and opinions. Gun had them as does every other human avatar, as do every other human. If Yangchen thought that Gun was evil, as well as every other human, so be it. But Gun was an Avatar, and even something as unspecific as "Balance" isn't clear cut. All that matters is that it is somehow obtained. If humanity is destroyed, I'd imagine that Gun would have to find something else to put on the scales so they wouldn't tip out of favor.
But looking at Yang Chen it makes sense. She was all for the humans, even in cases where spirits were involved, resulting in her next life as Kuruk being cut extremely short fighting those spirits. Ofc she saw an opposing view as evil. Gun was against humanity, she was for humanity.
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Avatar Gun would have made a great villain imo, perhaps he could have been the Anti-Avatar instead of Unalaq
EXACTLY!
This film should be vast as much as every avatar story needs to be. Not only about aang and Korra to be honest. Wish they could make a story about every other avatar. Would’ve been so interesting especially about Avatar Kyoshi
Ive wondered for so long if there was an evil avatar.But this proves it imagine getting reincarnated thousands of time fixing the world again and again just for humans to make it worse
if they added this, could have made korra make some sense. lack of connection to plot lines made the seasons of avatar weaker.
Good and evil are entirely subjective. So whose definition is used to make that determination? To Ozai and thousands of fire nation citizens Avatar Aang was evil. To Vaatu and Zaheer Korra was evil.
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So is it based on what the majority of people say is evil? What if the society has grown decadent and corrupt ( by most of our standards)? Or based on what the avatar themselves say is evil? Or based on what some old spirit(s) say is evil?
This is exactly the idea i was wonder about long time.
I would love to watch a series based on an evil avatar.
yk the funny thing is since both rava and vatu are in the avatar now and the darkness always eats the light and vise versa eventually maybe in the next harmonic conversion we will get evil avatars for the next 10k years
I always wondered if there was an evil Avatar
He was right to an extent each avatar gives their life's to bring balance and people just screw it up again, most of the avatars were focused on peace to bring balance cause it was needed at that time but i see it as a yin-yang were to much chaos that avatar brings order to much order the avatar in the world at that time brings chaos to balance it out so yes we could have an evil avatar but most likely it would be out of the need to balance the world back out now thats not justifying the notion that there can't be just and evil avatar when its not needed but looking at how the cycle works in the concept of yin-yang allows for their to be an "evil avatar" in a sense
I loved how FC Yee especially with the Yangchen novels builds upon the whole reincarnation stuff and gives greater info.
Sheesh, I wonder how he felt about Aang helping non benders from benders only for the non benders to give Korra a hard time
Which of the comics was this story told?
Lol... so he was basically like: Damn monkeys
Not only is he not evil, but I wholeheartedly agree with him. If you created an avatar based off of me, it would literally be him.
This guy sounds a bit like Zamasu
There is a reason why avatar is an avatar LOL…they’ve been choosen for a certain purpose..not randomly choosed…and that’s why they’re no evil avatar…it just that their way of restoring balance to the world etc, or how they dealt with their current era problem (modern problem with modern solution LOL)
Idk if he’s evil; just frustrated. He worked tirelessly to bring balance to the world (which is an inherently un-completeable task) and kept catching shit from people that thought they had a better understanding of the balance an avatar should bring
Don't think Rava inside the Avatar to become evil. Maybe bitter and cynical but could probably cut off his powers in a emergency or something
If there is more good then evil the required amount of evil could just be left with the avatar who takes out those who are causing the war on both sides. Like if toph and katara are fighting aang taking down both would technically cause piece
The dark avatar of vaatu should be canon...and air bender since should take inverse cycle that the regular one...also a great story about nature and determinstion
wait! the white lotus existed before Aang and Korra :0 i thought they were only formed after the 100 year war unless they brought that organization back
Where did you get some of the imagery? Did you use AI?
Would love to see this concept played out in the newest avatar since Korea Lost the Avatar connection.
Like while the new avatar is looking for the ways to reconnect, the first avatar we meet is the most questionably evil one
Gun desperately needed Isaac from Castlevania to rekindle he’s faith in Humanity.
So I've been writing the next generation of the Avatar.
So quick summary due to Vaatu being released and melding with Unoloch the first dark Avatar. Then when Korra fused with Rava defeated him and allowed them to merge into a single entity. Part of the reason I felt Korra was sick. Cause, when you think about Yang energy, is physical manifestation. The four elements are physical manifestations. And due to this Rava can utilize the four elements.
Vaatu represents the Yin energy or that of mind. Mental energies are linked to 7 variations.Trauma, Development, Transfiguration, Connection, Expression, Clarity and Enlightenment.
Next world building keeping with the theme of Diversity of Avatar I created factions.
The Civil Union, this a faction of non benders that focused primarily on industry and human rights. They have built remarkable feats of engineering to battle against spirits.
Spiritus faction, due to spirits increasingly entering our world. Those capable of understanding them would allow spirits to inhabit their bodies and merge with them. This allowed those to obtain a hybrid Spirit us form. Like the power of spirit with the ingenuity of human. This will bring in good spirits that are seen as guardians. And evil spirits that consume people as nightmares.
Traditionalist faction these are the historical buffs of the old world. They reject the changing times and set in their ways. They hold the greatest benders. As due to many lacking proper discipline, culture and purpose. The power of the bending has declined.
Independent factions these are the left overs of the world the forgotten. The poor, impoverished, I'll and casualties. They hold a little bit of all the factions. Yet due to them different they are shunned. Like a spirit child born with a serpents tail. Or bender that can only use ice. Perhaps industrialist that encounter accidents. The Independent faction greatest struggle are the drugs. Spirit plants have been used to create Refrain. A drug that allows one to live in a Euphoric state.
This leads to how I approach the Avatar. In this instance their are actually two Avatars. Vaatu and Raava due to being separated for so long couldn't fully merged into each other. Raava had become dependent on the Avatar cycle. I changed Raava shape to be more humanoid angel like aesthetic. Whilst Vaatu had taken on a feral monster aesthetic.
Any way the new Avatars Castor the girl and Pollux the boy was born to addict of their mother. I did this create immediate character tension. Yes the mother is an addict, but she still takes care of them always with a smile, working hard and full of bubbly energy.
Castor was proud of her mother for everything she did. No matter how bad things got she pushed on. Yet Pollux with Vaatu learned to sense Chi at an early age. He could see spirits and the state they were in. Often Pollux is seen to talking objects or thin air. When in fact he js talking with spirits. Pollux saw that there was a darkness in his mother they kept growing. As such Pollux would go out trying to find answers. Pollux wanted to be doctor and help cure his mother of her mysterious illness.
As the two Avatars would grow. Castor started to come into her bending. Immediately she used her bending to help her mother garden. She was careful to hide her bending. Knowing that crime syndicates take young benders to be in their ranks. Castor carefully practice her bending to ensure the proper climate for plants.
Whilst Pollux interest in the healing arts lead him to intern with people. Pollux came to the ability to absorb the misfortune of others. He learned that by absorbing the negative people will find new vigor. Both the twins gradually improved their community. Until a crime syndicate boss came around and demanded for their mother to pay. Being an earth bender and realtor if one couldn't pay rent he would crush their homes. Even in a such a way to gain insurance money. As he came to evict them their mother attempted to defend their children. However the boss also reveals to be her dealer. Then in a twist of impulsiveness she took the drug. When Pollux came to witness a horrid sight he leapt in without thinking. Immediate stabbing the boss with syringe. As this happens Pollux is slammed against the earth repeatedly, thus killing him in the process. Yet Vaatu wouldn't allow this. Given the amount of energy he amassed he decided to heal the child. Before the mothers eyes Pollux's body contorts back to normal and is healed. His eyes swallowed by darkness, he uses his shadow to swallow the boss. As the mother saw this she was horrified. Not just by the Pollux's resurrection, but that he killed the only man she loved and their father. Even as his mother was heart broken Pollux admitted to feel nothing. He did the fair thing. He tried to kill him so he got killed. Hearing this the mother Slaps Pollux calling him a monster saying she never wanted to see him agai. That ever since he was born he had terrified her. That no matter the injury Pollux would heal in moments like it was nothing. Pollux attempts to fix his mother by absorbing her negative energy. This is when Castor arrives as she sees Pollux siphoning Chi from their mother. As she uses bending to push Pollux off she accidentally severally hurts him. Yet before she can feel regret he heals back. Pollux then feels they can be happy if he can absorb all their negativity. As she says this his shadow moves about in the shape of Vaatu. This triggers Castor Avatar state, but even with her power she couldn't kill her brother. Yet Pollux who knows the medical arts didn't mind plunging a dagger in her side.
Telling not to worry once he is done they will have no memory of this. Castor Avatar state seemingly evolved as symbols appear on her skin. Suddenly she bends vapor a mist filled with her energy. Then wraps around her brother to instantly turn the mist into steam. Even with this Pollux walks forth with heavy burns all over his body. Castor then taken their mother and escaped. When Pollux finally saw himself in the mirror he saw what everyone else did. A monster, but strangely this only made him laugh hysterically.
Book 1: Divergent Paths, Castor would be found by Civil Union faction. They held devices to sense spiritual energy. The more dangerous the spirit the more energy it held. Their devices broke instantly when Castor was there. She begged for them to help her mother. Castor admitted that her memory is fuzzy.
Pollux disfigured would take black cloth and wrap it around his body over and over. Pollux searched for the crime syndicate. Willingly joining their ranks. He longed to get his sister and mother back. But knew he was far too weak. Learning how to fight against various benders. And secretly improving his shadow bending. He learned to overshadow others. Making them into puppets that he can control. Pollux learns by absorbing Chi he gains the memories of others.
10 years would pass as Castor would be the head secretary in Civil Union. She served as negotiation between the other two factions. To represent the people. She would only use her Avatar state sparingly not rely on it. As each time she does she feels this dark presence in her dreams. Telling her that he is coming. Yet she uses her bending less the dreams subside.
Pollux has become head of the crime syndicate. Pollux has reduced the ranks of thousands of members to only a select few. Pollux experimented with his powers to allow a unique guard.
Andrew Macho Savage, a pro wrestler given air bending. Andrew uses various breathing techniques to improve his abilities. Even with his large muscular frame can move like the wind.
Muramasa, a blacksmith earth bender. Is a master of weapons. The weapons he forges can even harm and kill spirits.
Vlad Hannibal, and Pollux tutor is a talented healer. Yet always hid his secret of being a blood bender. Often Vlad consume the blood of others to learn their illnesses. After being caught and misunderstood. Many called him a criminal, despite his decades of helping others. Vlad uses poisons & medicines in his blood.
Azulia, the world's only plasma bender. Azuliawas talented fire bender even from a young age. By her adolescence she had become a top tier lighting bender. Yet this didn't satisfy her. An experiment to go beyond lightning caused her to create a plasma ball. A simple accident causes her to kill dozens of people and many injured. Though she is pure hearted, kind and respectful. Many only see her ad terrorists.
So this is just summary notes, of intro and book 1. I'm working to Book 5. 7 in total. Why cause I wanted to give each faction a book of their own. And give the side characters as much attention as the main. Each explores a fundamental issue of our society. When writing due to my background. I took a TVMA perspective. My life hasn't been all flowers. Sen some horrible things. I've taken inspiration from Berserk and Hunter X Hunter. This helps bridge the Good of Avatar. The bad of Hunter X Hunter. And the Ugly of berserk
I'm invested
Is there any other place I can read this
Avatar Gun sure sounds a lot like Barnabas Tharmr from Final Fantasy: 16.
is it really considered evil? he never did anything to harm humans though just only showed his disdain for humans by laughing maniacally. then yanchen snapped out of it and thats the end of it. he never DID anything evil at all during his time as avatar. he just failed to stop a tsunami.
Clearly you didn’t watch legend of kora the evil avatar was unalock (I don’t know how to spell it) in Sean’s 2
I can’t really argue with Avatar Gun
Thats the interesting thing about these characters. They usually have reasonable motivations, but often take it too far
This background music sounds so calming and mystical.
What's the name of song
I'm glad you like it! Unfortunately I saved the music a few years ago onto my PC, and didn't save it under it's actual name, so I do not know 😭
I wonder if Amon is related to this Avatar and that's why him and his family can Bloodbend at any time.
Hi
I like the way you edited the video to match what the video is about and The Legend of Kora and Avatar the Last Airbender are my favorite shows too! I'd really like to check out the live action series as well. I wonder if it's as good as the show was. I hope they did a good job with it.
Rava is pure soul. So avatar can't be evil.
Rava and Vaatu were bad writing, and I think the new writer for the Yangchen novels knew it.
Good and evil don't need to come from outside sources like spirits they come from our own complicated humanity.
Are these stories actually canon to the Avatar Series, or these are just fan fiction?
They are in the Canon novels
We got an animated series of LoK instead of this?
Wtf
Exactly.
What about avatar Wan? He disrupted the fight between raava and vaatu.
He disrupted the fight because Vaatu manipulate him by thinking he was an innocent spirit who was being hurted by Raava until Wan mistakenly free's him and led him to wander the spirits and tries to spread chaos
Years ago I have a fan made avatar story during guru laghima's era. here is what i can remember: the avatar came from the earth kingdom grew up orphaned in a era full of conflicts therefore he decides to end all conflicts. the avatar wants to unite all people regardless of their nation and will try to conquer all nation in order to end the conflicts. the avatars believes that conflicts starts with leaders disagreeing with each other so he believes that the world would be at peace if it is ruled by only one person. laghima will then find people and create a death squad to stop the avatar from conquering other nations.
-a firebender that has different fire colors similar to the flames of the dragons from the firebending masters episode of ATLA (orange: long range projectiles, blue: medium range projectiles, white: melee only, red: liquid fire kind like molotov, gray: scatter ash that can explode at will, can also be used as smokescreen).
-a sand bender that can also crystal bend.
-a water bender that can "moisture bend" similar to hama when she pull water out of air.
-and a non-bender samurai with medic backgrounds who also invented chi-blocking because of acupuncture he use as treatment for patient.
in that story, laghima will unlock the flight ability but laghima's ultimate technique is Sound bending. In my story, the sound can incapacitate the enemy but it can also destroy a person's body if the user wants. think the red lotus but reverse, the avatar is kinda evil.
what was your avatars name
@@theicecreamcookiemonster1746 can't remember it, forgot a lot of details of the story. looking at it now, i think the avatar would get destroyed. so if i redo it, might give the avatar it's own team.
@@redswordz9131 cool my idea for a fallen avatar is named avatar Shin who is the price of the north and his mentor guide is a sprit that has Manipulated the avatar into thinking chaos is the only justice in a time of peace and this sprit can shatter the minds of humans and did teach the avatar bone bending and the north has to queens a fire and water and it’s 2000 years before Yangchen my idea for a fallen avatar
@@theicecreamcookiemonster1746 wow! interesting idea! the bone bending concept and cunning spirit mentoring the avatar are awesome ideas!
@@redswordz9131 maybe you could make that a story it would be cool
Where is all this lore from????
Please write Kavik’s name correctly, he deserves so much
He wasn’t evil. He was just jaded by humanity and the burden of looking after it. Anyone of us would be if we were in his shoes. Being the avatar is practically a curse.
Honestly calling Gun evil is quite a stretch. He was definitely a cynic because he was tired of people taking him for granted. Basically they thought of him as a safety net rather than a fire extinguisher, so they had as much freedom to screw around as much as they like and he'd always be there to catch them.
I think this should be the avatar that practiced blood bending
This video seems to be a pretty bad representation.
He wasn't evil, just tired of the BS - I suppose... Which is fair. You're just a human, who didn't choose to bear the cosmic responsibility, it must be incredibly taxing. Kuruk is another prime example of this.
If he had been evil or didn't care at all, he wouldn't have tried to protect. He would have forsaken his duties. All he does is ask why, why any of it matters...
At most he's a misanthrope... but that does not make one bad or mean they wish to see people harmed!
Bit of a deep read into the book man. I don’t think the book gives enough to say he’s evil. He was just struggling with his role and having some emotional issues in my opinion.
It would be interesting to see a story where the avatar is actually the villain. It could be because of dark spiritual corruption, the world being too good and needing “balance”, etc. and the goal would be to try and kill this avatar so the next can be better.
Uhhh no
Where can I get all the avatar books,comics or graphic novels?
you can't destroy vattu just like you can't destroy rava. so even by killing dark avatar UnaVaatu he would be reincarnated just like the avatar from Rava. So technically there is an evil avatar. I mean they are two different version of this:
One: the dark avatar will come back.
Two : by not just killing him but making him purifying him they destroyed vatuu forever
We need a new era of Dark Avatars
Wasn't unilock in book 2 a dark avatar
Yes, using the spirit of Vaatu. But this avatar is a Raava line avatar
@AvatarStarYT technically unlocked was a dark avatar as that was his goal....this avatar is an evil avatar....but unlock having the dark spirit literally makes him the dark avatar
Nice artworks
Thank you!
I want to see an avatar who didn't do their duties as one and just lived there love nonchalantly doing what they want that would be so fucking cool thx.
Kuruk
what's the source of this?
I always wandered about this
Old avatars being animated could be a great thing tho. Unlike naruto where previus generations are not that strong, each avatar could be facing same level threat like aang and ozai. My point is hundreds of avatars can be made and it wouldnt be boring
Zaheer would have loved Avatar Gun.
Honestly an avatar that is just bad is way more interesting than some dark Avatar nonsense that sounds like bad fan fiction.
Naw vaatu was a brilliant concept
Finally someone else says it! Thank you friend! The whole of Korra reads like bad fan-fiction to me and was concerned I was alone in the feeling. Season one was decent, minus Korra gettting beat so bad but I could live with it as she was new to the job and was on her first adventure, but the rest had me sad as there was so many better ways to go about an evil avatar, bringing back air benders and an evil earth kingdom. Only good thing of the other seasons was the idea of a water tribe cival war. Should have kept that up and saved the evil kite for.....nothing cause evil kites are a dumb idea. Sorry for ranting lol
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Season 1,season 3 were very good. Plus the action and fight choreography top notch.
Ok I will concede that the fight scenes were well choreographed. I can't deny that. Art was good as well (minus whoever was in charge of spirits, evil kites and blobs of evil drag the whole thing down). Also will admit that the red lotus make for a good evil team Avatar. Though I still believe they should have saved that for the Avatar after Korra or make them her first villains. Amon was too good for an opening villian. The others just feel shallow and fall short in comparison.@@kashutosh9132
We need that avatar with no arms
Avatar Gun was the first Dark Avatar!?
Not necessarily evil, just very cynical.
Bad english
If you in Yang Chen situation. Don't let emotion take over especially when the other one have much stronger emotion. It can make you loose your grip of your memory.
If acting. Dont go to deep into that character script. Some said late Heath Ledger going to deep in Joker character and some said that is how Fight Club situation happened.