I just hand mounted a Motoz Tractionator HT, just like the one in your video, on the front of my DR 650. The casing is noticeably stiffer than most, and it made me work, but it wasn't that bad to mount. I began riding the tire at 20 psi and once I got on the gravel and rocky terrain, aired it down to 18.5 psi and it showed a noticeable improvement in sticking to the terrain. It was bouncing around a bit before and not hooking up all that well. Rode a half day on dirt and after that I rode it about 45 miles on twisty roads and at highway speeds and it really wasn't as noisy as you might think it might be. The road was warm and dry and it held quite well, even at 18.5 psi. I might even go a little lower with the air pressure, but the tire feels really good. I used balancing beads inside the tube to counter the weight of the rim lock. This is a beefy tire.
Thanks for the insight on these tires. I have a 250 rally and I've gone down every single time I try and ride sand with the stock IRC's. Today was my worst fall when I lost the front end in a sandy, rutted wash... Needless to say, the stock tires are going to be replaced relatively soon because of how awful they are in sand and loose terrain. Living in Southwest Utah, sand is unavoidable and I really need a tire that inspires confidence. I've been looking into the RallZ's, Desert HT's, Tusk D sports and Dunlop D606's. I don't think I can go wrong with any of them, but those RallZ's seem like a great compromise due to having decent on road manners too, from what I gather.
The Rallzs are my go-to light adventure tire so far. You can't go wrong with the Desert HTs either as long as you ride them in the terrain they were made for.
Was about to say new tires look noisy but beastly, you'll have to go for a ride, record the ride and share your thoughts on the new tires while riding!!
Nice!!! I currently have the Motoz Tractionator desert HT front and rear on my XR 650L. the front wears exceptional and is quiet, second best to the Goldentyre Fatty which wears fast. The rear is by far the best tire that I have mounted, better than a Dunlop 606, however will wear on street with moderate deceleration noise! But only on street. 👍
@@JohnTYoung they worked well on the big red pig; wet Desert, wet Mtn. Stuff in Arrowhead-Big Bear. Wet street...well tell me about that one. Enjoy and ride!
Now that you have had time on these tires which do you like the best? I ran the H/T’s on my Africa Twin and loved everywhere but noisy on the highway. How do you think the RallZ on rear and H/T up front would do? I feel the H/T would do better in mud than the RallZ up front but RallZ would a quieter ride in the rear. Would I give up rear traction doing that?
Hi Jason. Every tire is different and I have yet to find the unicorn of tires. HT's in the dry. Rallz for the long. Hybrids for the hard. And maybe the Enduros for the soft. I REALLY like the HT fronts for sand and gravel and they scare the poop out of me when it's wet. So... so far my favorite all-rounder, wet or dry, has been the Rallzs. If I were to never ride in the rain the HTs would be a good choice as well.
I've gone down to 10, but usually sit around 12. I have not installed rim locks yet so to go any lower would increase the pucker factor. 20 or so on the highway seems to do fine.
They are as they look to be... The Desert tires don't last as long and are much noisier but are better off-road. The RallZs have some silica in them so are better in the wet.
The Motoz desert is a little noisy. I also found it very pressure sensitive and likes to be run soft, which sounds like you've experienced that with the rallz's. I don't know about mileage, pulled mine very early, as I'll primarily be on road for a bit. But found them great to ride.
I just put them on tonight so you're comment is right on time. I filled them to 20 psi and took a cruise down the highway. The rear is a little more buzzy than the Rallz, but I'm hoping they give me just a touch more traction in Arizona / Utah. I've heard the front is dangerous when it's wet out. Is that true?
@@JohnTYoung It should work very well for your environment. I didn't ride a lot of wet so it wasn't much of a a problem. It felt more like the Dunlop D606 (80/20) up front in the wet. Just be aware the wet characteristic are different and you'll be fine. The rear worked as expected.
I can't state enough how much I hate my stock tires. Like John said on the road there great, but as soon as your off road there horrible. I tend to ride where there's a fair amount of mud, it's just like you have grease on your tires.New ones coming very soon!
@@JohnTYoung Honestly I haven't done enough research yet. I don't ride on road a lot. I would say I ride 75 off and 25 on, and would like a tire that's pretty aggressive but not over the top. The new one your going to put on your bike looks a bit much for me . But I'm sure I would like it off road. Also I feel I want to go up a size or two. The bike runs so nice now with the ECU and the yoshi pipe. Any other advice? I am going to watch your video again. Thanks for the vid.
Another good video. Always a hot topic what are the best tyres. But as you say it really is dependant on what you use the bike for. Over here in the uk we end up riding in wet slippery mud a lot. Makes tyre choice tricky as the only tyres that work in deep mud wear real quick on the road. I've used mitas e09 back tyres on my 701 which aren't great in deep mud but will keep you moving but will do about 2500miles before throwing. Been running intermediate/hard ground motocross tyres on my crf450l so far. Cheap as they are offer at the mo. I would say they are half worn at 700miles . But the tread pattern is wide enough to find reasonable grip in mud. Off topic but what year and model are your acerbis frame protection. Need to get some for mine. The rally tower I've designed and built is almost finished now so will be interesting to see how it performs after this virus lockdown ends.
I am hopeful these tires will work well as most of my riding in on Colorado rocks or Utah sand/rocks. But who knows. The frame protectors are for a 2019 CRF450R and need to be cut up a bit to make them fit. I want to see pictures of your tower when you're done!
I'm not a product test engineer but I don't see what aggressiveness would have to do with loosing a tire. I've never had a tire blow in 30 some years (and raced AMA and WERA for a few of those) and I hope to not start that bad habit now.
John T. Young ...that’s true. We don’t get much rain in most of Australia, so most (but not all) MotOZ tyres are designed for dry conditions. I did 6000 miles on the standard Tractionator Adventure rear and they were fine in the wet, but the Enduro and Desert tyres aren’t so good in wet conditions or mud.
@@JohnTYoung I think it's because I never have any weight on the bike...I weigh 132 lbs and have minimal gear?.... I also have a 140 rear tire on what is a 150 rim...so it's a flatter profile I feel that this in combination of 18 psi through its life so far has given me great mileage....I had a klx 250 before this bike wich at 5500 miles I changed the tires from the stock d605s from dunlop to a kenda k270 50/50 dual sport tire ..I sold out to a friend at 11.500 miles the bike just passed 13,000 miles and it looks like the are 60 percent?... same scenario ...no weight and 8 psi for road or dirt..I dont change my pressures...I generally have almost all tread touching the pavment....sounds like a jeep but wears like iron idk???
Way fatter. Not sure I could get a 150 on my bike without all kinda issues. And ya, most of the riding i did with the Desert HTs was the AZBDR with the bike loaded down. I think you’re on to something. I need lighter gear and fatter tires.
Young no...no...the opposite....narrow tires are the way to go my friend!...watch the video from Bret thacks on adventure tires....the narrower the tire the more pounds per square inch you get on your contact patch....but the thing is you actually get less static traction when you have wider tires on a rim made for narrow tires because it makes the tire much more stretched out and wears your center long before the side knobs...that's why I went smaller ...it stretched the tire out like those goofy looking Subaru trims where the rim's are wider that the tires....this makes it flat like a car tire...weird handling in the twisties but the traction of god on the trails...because there is such a great contact patch
@@JohnTYoung I just did 4000km across Italy offroad, street and freeway John, the Michelin mousse held up well....(I ran Michelin Enduro hard tyre on front and Michelin Tracker tyre on rear, bike was a Yamaha WR450F with light luggage)
Always look forward to your 450 videos 👍
Thanks Cody!
I just hand mounted a Motoz Tractionator HT, just like the one in your video, on the front of my DR 650. The casing is noticeably stiffer than most, and it made me work, but it wasn't that bad to mount. I began riding the tire at 20 psi and once I got on the gravel and rocky terrain, aired it down to 18.5 psi and it showed a noticeable improvement in sticking to the terrain. It was bouncing around a bit before and not hooking up all that well. Rode a half day on dirt and after that I rode it about 45 miles on twisty roads and at highway speeds and it really wasn't as noisy as you might think it might be. The road was warm and dry and it held quite well, even at 18.5 psi. I might even go a little lower with the air pressure, but the tire feels really good. I used balancing beads inside the tube to counter the weight of the rim lock. This is a beefy tire.
Ya I like mid to low teens off road and mid!20s on.
Thanks for the insight on these tires. I have a 250 rally and I've gone down every single time I try and ride sand with the stock IRC's. Today was my worst fall when I lost the front end in a sandy, rutted wash... Needless to say, the stock tires are going to be replaced relatively soon because of how awful they are in sand and loose terrain. Living in Southwest Utah, sand is unavoidable and I really need a tire that inspires confidence. I've been looking into the RallZ's, Desert HT's, Tusk D sports and Dunlop D606's. I don't think I can go wrong with any of them, but those RallZ's seem like a great compromise due to having decent on road manners too, from what I gather.
The Rallzs are my go-to light adventure tire so far. You can't go wrong with the Desert HTs either as long as you ride them in the terrain they were made for.
Definitely interested to see how the new rubber does on the road. Looks like it’ll be great for shredding the dirt.
Fingers crossed!
Was about to say new tires look noisy but beastly, you'll have to go for a ride, record the ride and share your thoughts on the new tires while riding!!
That's a great idea! Except for the noisy part...
Great timing, I’m looking at replacing my tires. Very interested to hear your thoughts on the new ones and how they compare to the old.
Well the Rallz were way better and my fave tire so far.
Thanks John thoes desert tires look 👌 nice shout out to Fort nine that guy is great ride safe.
They look scary. Like they could get you into a lot of trouble.
Nice!!! I currently have the Motoz Tractionator desert HT front and rear on my XR 650L. the front wears exceptional and is quiet, second best to the Goldentyre Fatty which wears fast. The rear is by far the best tire that I have mounted, better than a Dunlop 606, however will wear on street with moderate deceleration noise! But only on street. 👍
How do they work in the wet? Wet rock? Wet road? That part has me a little worried.
@@JohnTYoung they worked well on the big red pig; wet Desert, wet Mtn. Stuff in Arrowhead-Big Bear. Wet street...well tell me about that one. Enjoy and ride!
@@mikewest8450 Will do. Look for the review in 4000 miles or so.
This has been a great rear tyre for me. Looking forward to seeing how the front holds up 👍
You and me both!
Now that you have had time on these tires which do you like the best?
I ran the H/T’s on my Africa Twin and loved everywhere but noisy on the highway.
How do you think the RallZ on rear and H/T up front would do?
I feel the H/T would do better in mud than the RallZ up front
but RallZ would a quieter ride in the rear.
Would I give up rear traction doing that?
Hi Jason. Every tire is different and I have yet to find the unicorn of tires. HT's in the dry. Rallz for the long. Hybrids for the hard. And maybe the Enduros for the soft. I REALLY like the HT fronts for sand and gravel and they scare the poop out of me when it's wet. So... so far my favorite all-rounder, wet or dry, has been the Rallzs. If I were to never ride in the rain the HTs would be a good choice as well.
Did you spoon the rallz tires on yourself? How hard are they to get on with those stiff sidewalls?
I did. I do. I go thru way too many tires to pay someone else to.
They weren’t too bad.
You look tired John 😅👍
Great vid you'll love the the new treds on the dirt 👌
I've heard the front tire is a nightmare on wet roads - still gonna send it.
Hi John, what pressures do you run on the Rallz’s when you are loaded up with luggage and off road and do you air up for road sections?
32ish
Thanks John, what pressures are you running off road on the motoz s? And rimlocks?
I've gone down to 10, but usually sit around 12. I have not installed rim locks yet so to go any lower would increase the pucker factor. 20 or so on the highway seems to do fine.
Thanks bro was wandering if the 130 would fit nice looking bike just picked one up
You're going to love it!
How did the Desert HT do compared to the rallz
They are as they look to be... The Desert tires don't last as long and are much noisier but are better off-road. The RallZs have some silica in them so are better in the wet.
The Motoz desert is a little noisy. I also found it very pressure sensitive and likes to be run soft, which sounds like you've experienced that with the rallz's. I don't know about mileage, pulled mine very early, as I'll primarily be on road for a bit. But found them great to ride.
I just put them on tonight so you're comment is right on time. I filled them to 20 psi and took a cruise down the highway. The rear is a little more buzzy than the Rallz, but I'm hoping they give me just a touch more traction in Arizona / Utah. I've heard the front is dangerous when it's wet out. Is that true?
@@JohnTYoung It should work very well for your environment. I didn't ride a lot of wet so it wasn't much of a a problem. It felt more like the Dunlop D606 (80/20) up front in the wet. Just be aware the wet characteristic are different and you'll be fine. The rear worked as expected.
Do you change your own tires? Wondering how hard the Motoz would be with the stiffer sidewalls.
They’re a bear, but it’s doable. As in, if I can do it anyone can.
I just installed a Motoz Desert Ht by hand and it wasn't all that bad.
How did the rallz compare to the ht on the street mostly but off-road also?? Trying to make up my mind on them two vs AX41
The Rallz were great. I'll be putting the HTs on this week for the first time.
What’s the update on the tires are you gonna buy the same ones or try something new
I think next I'll try the Enduros. Maybe
@@JohnTYoung Hi John. I'm about to take off the OEM tire, would you still recommend the Rallz?
@@brentswartzentruber5565 Yes, the Rallzs are great light ADV bike tires.
I can't state enough how much I hate my stock tires. Like John said on the road there great, but as soon as your off road there horrible.
I tend to ride where there's a fair amount of mud, it's just like you have grease on your tires.New ones coming very soon!
What are you getting to replace the IRCs?
@@JohnTYoung Honestly I haven't done enough research yet. I don't ride on road a lot. I would say I ride 75 off and 25 on, and would like a tire that's pretty aggressive but not over the top. The new one your going to put on your bike looks a bit much for me . But I'm sure I would like it off road. Also I feel I want to go up a size or two. The bike runs so nice now with the ECU and the yoshi pipe. Any other advice? I am going to watch your video again. Thanks for the vid.
Another good video. Always a hot topic what are the best tyres. But as you say it really is dependant on what you use the bike for. Over here in the uk we end up riding in wet slippery mud a lot. Makes tyre choice tricky as the only tyres that work in deep mud wear real quick on the road. I've used mitas e09 back tyres on my 701 which aren't great in deep mud but will keep you moving but will do about 2500miles before throwing. Been running intermediate/hard ground motocross tyres on my crf450l so far. Cheap as they are offer at the mo. I would say they are half worn at 700miles . But the tread pattern is wide enough to find reasonable grip in mud.
Off topic but what year and model are your acerbis frame protection. Need to get some for mine.
The rally tower I've designed and built is almost finished now so will be interesting to see how it performs after this virus lockdown ends.
I am hopeful these tires will work well as most of my riding in on Colorado rocks or Utah sand/rocks. But who knows. The frame protectors are for a 2019 CRF450R and need to be cut up a bit to make them fit. I want to see pictures of your tower when you're done!
Hey John, what tubes are you gonna run with your new tires?
Bridgestone Ultra Heavy in the front and Heavy in the rear.
Any performance lost on a heavier tire? I have a new 250l and the stock IRC tire are junk.
Not that I can notice, and even if they are heavier, they are still light years better,
Hey I got the tusk tires I'm looking for heavy duty or ultra heavy duty tubes to pair with them any suggestions? Thx
The Bridgestone Ultras are my go to.
@@JohnTYoung ok thx
The Desert HT will definitely grab that blue strap 😏
That’s called a bead protector
Yes it will.
you will notice while the tyres are new, bike will be a little wobbly at high speeds. but if u just do the speed limit its allgood.
So 80 MHP will be an adventure in itself!
Hey John what size is that new front?
90/100
Hi,
Is there a crack in the rubbet?
4:30 in
//johan
Not that I recall.
@@JohnTYoung If you pause the video you see it, looks like it =)
If you blow a tire at 80mph front or rear without rim locks would the more agressive tires likely hop the rim
I'm not a product test engineer but I don't see what aggressiveness would have to do with loosing a tire. I've never had a tire blow in 30 some years (and raced AMA and WERA for a few of those) and I hope to not start that bad habit now.
How are these new tires? Good in mud, sand, hard pack and road?
The Deseret HTs? Don't know yet. The RallZ - good everywhere but mud, in my experience.
John T. Young ...that’s true. We don’t get much rain in most of Australia, so most (but not all) MotOZ tyres are designed for dry conditions. I did 6000 miles on the standard Tractionator Adventure rear and they were fine in the wet, but the Enduro and Desert tyres aren’t so good in wet conditions or mud.
@@ronanrogers4127 The Rallz seemed to work OK too. Worst comes to worse I'll retire them early. Thanks for comment!
How do you get such horrible mileage??? I have the dessert ht on my 790 adventure r and its halfway through its life at 5500 miles?
I don’t know. How do you get such great mileage? I’ve never gotten more than 3000 miles out of a knobby.
@@JohnTYoung idk???...I have to send you pics..I'm not easy on em at all....
@@JohnTYoung I think it's because I never have any weight on the bike...I weigh 132 lbs and have minimal gear?.... I also have a 140 rear tire on what is a 150 rim...so it's a flatter profile I feel that this in combination of 18 psi through its life so far has given me great mileage....I had a klx 250 before this bike wich at 5500 miles I changed the tires from the stock d605s from dunlop to a kenda k270 50/50 dual sport tire ..I sold out to a friend at 11.500 miles the bike just passed 13,000 miles and it looks like the are 60 percent?... same scenario ...no weight and 8 psi for road or dirt..I dont change my pressures...I generally have almost all tread touching the pavment....sounds like a jeep but wears like iron idk???
Way fatter. Not sure I could get a 150 on my bike without all kinda issues. And ya, most of the riding i did with the Desert HTs was the AZBDR with the bike loaded down. I think you’re on to something. I need lighter gear and fatter tires.
Young no...no...the opposite....narrow tires are the way to go my friend!...watch the video from Bret thacks on adventure tires....the narrower the tire the more pounds per square inch you get on your contact patch....but the thing is you actually get less static traction when you have wider tires on a rim made for narrow tires because it makes the tire much more stretched out and wears your center long before the side knobs...that's why I went smaller ...it stretched the tire out like those goofy looking Subaru trims where the rim's are wider that the tires....this makes it flat like a car tire...weird handling in the twisties but the traction of god on the trails...because there is such a great contact patch
Have you though about putting mousse (s) in your tires instead of tubes?
I don't think I mousse would last on a 700 mile trip with some 80 MPH highway use in it.
@@JohnTYoung I just did 4000km across Italy offroad, street and freeway John, the Michelin mousse held up well....(I ran Michelin Enduro hard tyre on front and Michelin Tracker tyre on rear, bike was a Yamaha WR450F with light luggage)
@@KovertBikes Wow. I'm glad your mousses held up and didn't melt. Michelin makes good stuff.
Yes the stock are shit in loose dirt!
Yup.