@@dp26385 You absolutely must. Deng Xiaoping is probably a far more important figure than Mao. Modern China is Deng's legacy (but also the legacy of other Chinese co-leaders as Deng did not govern alone).
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns bull crap. Things you are saying come right out of the playbook of the usa or its lackies where they want to portray Deng as a cruseder of their free market ecconomy and denounce their ideological rival. Deng has pivotal roll in the development of China but he won't even equal to the shadow of Mao.. Even his infamous cultural revolution did more good.. if not for him the party lords would have sold off the country as inheritance to their descendants. there wouldn't be a new China it would have been fractured to varius provinces fighting eachother.. there is no Deng without Mao.
What people? What class of people? People of what class? I doubt it. I claim my right to doubt it. The survivors of Tienanmen massacre strongly doubt it. (I put a dislike just because I cannot put ten of them).
What did Deng Xiaoping actually achieve here? He stopped supportting the insurgence form vietnum and stopped supporting malayan against singapore, in exchange for what? for Singapore not doing military training with Taiwan? I actually don't understand. I have a feeling that a lot of people are praising/glorifying those leaders, without actually understand what they specially did here. From what I understand here, Deng Xiaoping is not doing anything in the sense of pragmatism. He did something that is reasonable and moral (good for overall well being of people). He is not playing politics and trying to squeeze out marginaly benefit to his country. He actually did what's good for the world, while potentially sacrifizing the geopological control of his country a little bit.
The link to the full speech is in the video description, but I'll include it here with the Q&A as well. Full speech ua-cam.com/video/9q7G3uQANn4/v-deo.html Q&A ua-cam.com/video/o0G9A0NVxc8/v-deo.html
That a great man talking with a big smile,Mr Lee Kwan Yew.The man who made Singapore become what it is today!Respect to such an incredible politician. RIP.
it require that both side were wise and great foresight most ideology have the same destination it's just that different path a wise man knows when he is wrong and make changes accordingly.
@7:34 huge respect to LKY for confronting Deng Xiao Ping for recruiting partisans in Singapore about the same way he confronted CIA with their espionage here
I fully agree with a comment shown here that there is no great achievement of Deng Xiaoping without first the great achievement of Chairman Mao. China owes it miraculous economic success to both these two great men and now to President Xi Jinping who is steering China's helm with great wisdom and determination. LKY is of course the great man of Singapore.
LKY pragmatism DXP rationalism.they both witnessed transition in society and massive movements...they both had no other options but to make decisions within a time limit.
Imagin you are the leader of big China. Fought wars and believe in communism all your life. And suddenly you have give up communism and listen and ask a tiny nation leader “what do you want me to do”. All because for the good of China. Humble and great leader indeed.
D communists in Malaya were very ruthless n had no regard for human life at all. My grandfather was a simple farmer n he was "asked" to contribute food n provisions every month. My mother was to join them n when he said "over my dead body"they shot him n really did. My grandmother had to flee in d middle of d night with 6 children . 😢
What did Deng Xiaoping actually achieve here? He stopped supportting the insurgence form vietnum and stopped supporting malayan against singapore, in exchange for what? for Singapore not doing military training with Taiwan? I actually don't understand. I have a feeling that a lot of people are praising/glorifying those leaders, without actually understand what they specially did here. From what I understand here, Deng Xiaoping is not doing anything in the sense of pragmatism (or business). He did something that is reasonable and moral (good for overall well being of people). He is not playing politics and trying to squeeze out marginaly benefit to his country. He actually did what's good for the world, while potentially sacrifizing the geopological control of his country a little bit.
Deng Xiaoping hoped to oppose Vietnam and the Soviet Union with Southeast Asian countries, but because China supports communist guerrilla forces in Southeast Asia, Southeast Asian countries cannot trust China. Stopping support for guerrilla forces is a prerequisite for cooperation with Southeast Asian countries
@@texassabre7214 so basically earning respect from other countries by doing the right thing... like I said, "From what I understand here, Deng Xiaoping is not doing anything in the sense of pragmatism (or business). He did something that is reasonable and moral (good for overall well being of people). He is not playing politics and trying to squeeze out marginaly benefit to his country. He actually did what's good for the world"
I have Chinese friends who would disagree with you and think highly of LKY. Though they would qualify that slightly by saying turning the fortunes of 1.4 b people is not the same as changing the lives of 3m people.
MAO AND LINCOLN Part 2: The Great Leap Forward not all bad By Henry C K Liu
· See also Part 1: Demon and deity Most of the mass movements initiated by Mao Zedong were successful in changing old ideas and reshaping Chinese society. Even the Great Leap Forward, for which Mao is vilified, was successful in important areas, and estimates of 30 million deaths are wildly exaggerated. Bad weather, famines and the US trade embargo caused most of the deaths. Today's neo-liberal globalization has inflicted far more death and suffering than the Great Leap.
Mao did good unified China , Deng did great by taking many millions Chinese out of dirt poor poverty, Will Xi DaDa do greater or plunge China into wars n back to dirt poor poverty ?
Mao did good ?!?! Lol . What did he do that was good - his policies that starved 40 to 50,000,000 Chinese civilians to death , or his complete destruction of the Chinese economy , or his complete eradication of Chinese intellectuals ?
@@bigmedgeHey Murican, the population graph says that there was no possibility of 45 million deaths in China during Mao era. There was a famine, but it took around 10 million lives. Famines were common in all the developing countries at that time. I don't know why Mao is being targetted. My country India also was faced with many famines when the Brits looted and destroyed everything.
@@morningstararun6278 It's actually very simple. Denying a founding leader is the easiest way to overthrow the regime, as Khrushchev did, which undermines the legitimacy of the regime. If you really look at history, you will find that the exaggerated numbers were first said by the Americans, but the way they calculate them is different. They are estimated by the birth rate minus the population for that year. However, in a famine, there will be fewer births. In the face of famine, you cannot count the unborn population as death.
@@HaoZhang-zz2dd You are absolutely right. It was Krushchev that destroyed USSR, far before Gorbachev. If it wasn't for Stalin, there would be no strong Russia today, and even not a strong China, as Stalin helped CPC, when Nazis and Americans helped Kuomintang.
This man is dramatically impressed by Power. I spent many hours in talking with Jiang Qing and I tell you she had not such a great opinion of the small man .
Amazing that a paramount leader like Deng Xiaoping would listen to him. Such a simple story and yet LKY captivates you by his deliberation.
because they have personal respect to each other, a thing Americans never had with Leaders of another Countries, (even allies)
And he’s one of the ones who made history educating by is leadership
These two are the absolute giants in leadership and geopolitics. I love LKY's stories, and the way he tells them.
@@edwardwong654 you are absolutely right , I started learning from him not so long ,
Deng is indeed a great man ...I mean ..To win such praise from LKY is indeed rare
Deng may be the most impressive man you met, but you are the most impressive man I know.
A leader knows how to tell a story by giving right amount of information and proper arrangement.
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I admire Deng Xiaoping for being so pragmatic in his approach to life, especially compared to his predecessor.
And sadly his successors.
Never heard of him until I just watched this video. Now I’m going to have to read about him along with Lee Kuan Yew.
@@dp26385 You absolutely must. Deng Xiaoping is probably a far more important figure than Mao. Modern China is Deng's legacy (but also the legacy of other Chinese co-leaders as Deng did not govern alone).
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns bull crap.
Things you are saying come right out of the playbook of the usa or its lackies where they want to portray Deng as a cruseder of their free market ecconomy and denounce their ideological rival.
Deng has pivotal roll in the development of China but he won't even equal to the shadow of Mao..
Even his infamous cultural revolution did more good.. if not for him the party lords would have sold off the country as inheritance to their descendants. there wouldn't be a new China it would have been fractured to varius provinces fighting eachother.. there is no Deng without Mao.
His predecessor was even more pragmatic lol
Lee Kuan Yew and Deng Xiao Ping both of them is Hero for Chinese people
Well said.
What people? What class of people? People of what class?
I doubt it. I claim my right to doubt it.
The survivors of Tienanmen massacre strongly doubt it. (I put a dislike just because I cannot put ten of them).
Brian L
You got to be nuts to think xi jinping is in the same league as deng xiaoping!
stop imposing your white views on the chinese ethnicity its sick! They will fight for their own future
Ella Shy .. It's not White views. It's western liberal views which is delusional.
Salute Mr Lee kuan Yew and the late Deng xio peng,These two leaders were leader of honour and full of intergrity.The Eye Opener of Asia.
Two truly remarkable historical figures!
How incredibly lucid is this fella 's mind. His story telling is riveting.
LKY was not only a great 👍 leader but also a very Keen Observer of human beings 🎉
Great mind think alike. Both great men want the best for their people.
What did Deng Xiaoping actually achieve here? He stopped supportting the insurgence form vietnum and stopped supporting malayan against singapore, in exchange for what? for Singapore not doing military training with Taiwan?
I actually don't understand. I have a feeling that a lot of people are praising/glorifying those leaders, without actually understand what they specially did here.
From what I understand here, Deng Xiaoping is not doing anything in the sense of pragmatism. He did something that is reasonable and moral (good for overall well being of people). He is not playing politics and trying to squeeze out marginaly benefit to his country. He actually did what's good for the world, while potentially sacrifizing the geopological control of his country a little bit.
wish there was a longer version of this, LKW speeches are so thought provoking and packed to the brim with information that is worthly of archiving
The link to the full speech is in the video description, but I'll include it here with the Q&A as well.
Full speech
ua-cam.com/video/9q7G3uQANn4/v-deo.html
Q&A
ua-cam.com/video/o0G9A0NVxc8/v-deo.html
That a great man talking with a big smile,Mr Lee Kwan Yew.The man who made Singapore become what it is today!Respect to such an incredible politician. RIP.
Two truly great men that changed the world 🎉
Deng was the most impressive man Li have met. Li met Mao.
I agree with Li.
5:38
For those who are wondering:
Lee is referring to Hua Guofeng, who at the time was the Premier of China during Lee’s first visit to China
It is so amazing to listen to a great man like LKY to speak of Dengxiaoping. Deng was the man that saved China.
Sure, the butcher of Tiananmen Square, very impressive
Sir Our Founding Father is
A Very Stern Person.
Thanks.
A communist and anti-communist talking business. Can have a civil discourse.
it require that both side were wise and great foresight most ideology have the same destination it's just that different path a wise man knows when he is wrong and make changes accordingly.
Remembering Mr Lee this day and seeing what he and Deng did for our future in ASEAN and Open New China
@7:34 huge respect to LKY for confronting Deng Xiao Ping for recruiting partisans in Singapore about the same way he confronted CIA with their espionage here
I think that was still part of his story on Hua Guofeng
Only engagement in talk and understanding can reach common agreement.
This was a historic moment for Southeast Asia amd the crowd finds it funny
I fully agree with a comment shown here that there is no great achievement of Deng Xiaoping without first the great achievement of Chairman Mao. China owes it miraculous economic success to both these two great men and now to President Xi Jinping who is steering China's helm with great wisdom and determination. LKY is of course the great man of Singapore.
China succeeded in spite of Mao. He was a false savior.
@@devp3916 Yeah A false saviour that whooped the a55es of Muricans in Korean war.
Joe Biden could not shine their shoes.
Had he lived he would have been a 100 this year.
Deng Xiso Ping and Lee Quan yew all good leader
lee kuan yew see the future of china . the great man of Singapore
LKY pragmatism DXP rationalism.they both witnessed transition in society and massive movements...they both had no other options but to make decisions within a time limit.
We need more men like this.
How could such great Souls like Mao, Deng and Lee kwan grew from Southeast Asia !?
LKY respected DXP n DXP respected LKY. That's why the Chinese governments after DXP had so much respect for LKY.
If you ask any Chinese around the world, they all have the deepest respect for LKY.
The chinese in china and overseas chinese do build different. Respect!
Men of Good Standing
邓公一代伟人啊！太崇拜了
一代委人！！！89刽子手！！！继毛泽东之后的又一个独裁者！
Imagin you are the leader of big China. Fought wars and believe in communism all your life. And suddenly you have give up communism and listen and ask a tiny nation leader “what do you want me to do”. All because for the good of China. Humble and great leader indeed.
D communists in Malaya were very ruthless n had no regard for human life at all. My grandfather was a simple farmer n he was "asked" to contribute food n provisions every month. My mother was to join them n when he said "over my dead body"they shot him n really did. My grandmother had to flee in d middle of d night with 6 children . 😢
China has DXP to thank for the economic success it has achieved.
What did Deng Xiaoping actually achieve here? He stopped supportting the insurgence form vietnum and stopped supporting malayan against singapore, in exchange for what? for Singapore not doing military training with Taiwan?
I actually don't understand. I have a feeling that a lot of people are praising/glorifying those leaders, without actually understand what they specially did here.
From what I understand here, Deng Xiaoping is not doing anything in the sense of pragmatism (or business). He did something that is reasonable and moral (good for overall well being of people). He is not playing politics and trying to squeeze out marginaly benefit to his country. He actually did what's good for the world, while potentially sacrifizing the geopological control of his country a little bit.
Deng Xiaoping hoped to oppose Vietnam and the Soviet Union with Southeast Asian countries, but because China supports communist guerrilla forces in Southeast Asia, Southeast Asian countries cannot trust China. Stopping support for guerrilla forces is a prerequisite for cooperation with Southeast Asian countries
Deng wants access to world stage at that time. That’s why.
@@texassabre7214 so basically earning respect from other countries by doing the right thing... like I said, "From what I understand here, Deng Xiaoping is not doing anything in the sense of pragmatism (or business). He did something that is reasonable and moral (good for overall well being of people). He is not playing politics and trying to squeeze out marginaly benefit to his country. He actually did what's good for the world"
As a Cambodian, i feel sad
Amazing, he talked so much about Teng Seow Pin but he prefer Dr. Goh Keng Swee to work with him immediately after
he stepped down from his post.
Cool story Yew!
(really, no jokes)
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Isn't it Deng Xiaoping, not Deng Xiaopeng?
=he mispronounced it unintentional.
Jone Cuntapay No he pronounced it correctly, is the title of the video that I believe spelled it wrong.
Data Integration Thought Entity Humanoid Interface = ahhh. thanks for the reply.
Big deal obsessed
Like dictator in moderniser guise
Er arbeitet aus Liebe und nicht für Geld 💰
邓公改变了中国，感恩。
secret FTM ...... great granny........ !!!
In d end, we r Chinese.
The Chinese hate to be reminded that Lee Kuan Yew actually helped founded the new modern China 🇨🇳. 😂😅😊
Both LKY and Deng would not have wanted people to engage in tribal rhetoric that only increase counter-productive division between countries.
I have Chinese friends who would disagree with you and think highly of LKY. Though they would qualify that slightly by saying turning the fortunes of 1.4 b people is not the same as changing the lives of 3m people.
How wrong you are, saying what you just said....!
@@bohanxu6125 disagree
@@JoCkey607 Yes. Both Lee and Mr. Deng did their job perfectly
Now we are left with mad man Xi 😢
Sadly Lee has a tiny country to work with. Or he will rewrite the history.
MAO AND LINCOLN
Part 2: The Great Leap Forward not all bad
By Henry C K Liu
· See also Part 1:
Demon and deity
Most of the mass movements initiated by Mao Zedong were successful in changing
old ideas and reshaping Chinese society. Even the Great Leap Forward, for which
Mao is vilified, was successful in important areas, and estimates of 30 million
deaths are wildly exaggerated. Bad weather, famines and the US trade
embargo caused most of the deaths. Today's neo-liberal globalization has
inflicted far more death and suffering than the Great Leap.
Mao did good unified China , Deng did great by taking many millions Chinese out of dirt poor poverty, Will Xi DaDa do greater or plunge China into wars n back to dirt poor poverty ?
Mao did good ?!?! Lol . What did he do that was good - his policies that starved 40 to 50,000,000 Chinese civilians to death , or his complete destruction of the Chinese economy , or his complete eradication of Chinese intellectuals ?
@@bigmedgeHey Murican, the population graph says that there was no possibility of 45 million deaths in China during Mao era. There was a famine, but it took around 10 million lives. Famines were common in all the developing countries at that time. I don't know why Mao is being targetted. My country India also was faced with many famines when the Brits looted and destroyed everything.
@@morningstararun6278 It's actually very simple. Denying a founding leader is the easiest way to overthrow the regime, as Khrushchev did, which undermines the legitimacy of the regime. If you really look at history, you will find that the exaggerated numbers were first said by the Americans, but the way they calculate them is different. They are estimated by the birth rate minus the population for that year. However, in a famine, there will be fewer births. In the face of famine, you cannot count the unborn population as death.
@@HaoZhang-zz2dd You are absolutely right. It was Krushchev that destroyed USSR, far before Gorbachev. If it wasn't for Stalin, there would be no strong Russia today, and even not a strong China, as Stalin helped CPC, when Nazis and Americans helped Kuomintang.
Sure, the butcher of Tiananmen Square, impressive
That’s what you get when you try to start a CIA backed color revolution
@@Squared_Table Stupid! 邓小平那个窝囊废，1979年为拯救被越南推翻的红色高棉这个屠杀了柬埔寨800万人口中近200万人其中包括20万华人和3万越南人的邪恶政权，竟然出动几十万大军入侵越南，结果被越南民兵打得尸横遍野，满地找牙，以至于根本不敢和越南正规野战军交手就狼狈撤军，丢盔弃甲，损兵折将，还是没能挽救红色高棉彻底覆亡的命运。红色高棉残余势力最后都被越南彻底剿灭，其高官都被捉拿归案然后送上国际审判庭审判并判以重刑，让中共在国际国内颜面尽失。邓小平意淫要教训越南人，结果反被越南人教训，可谓是偷鸡不成反蚀一把米，自取其辱。
邓小平对外窝囊，对国内手无寸铁的学生和市民倒是凶残无比。1989年邓小平这个下三滥为了一己之私，为了维持自己的独裁统治地位，为了维护中共贪官污吏的特权和腐败，不顾国内和国际社会的强烈反对和谴责，竟然冒天下之大不韪，出动野战军用坦克和机关枪屠杀和平抗议的学生和市民，为贪官污吏保驾护航，直接造成其后中国社会万马齐喑，从上到下、从军队到地方贪腐横行而且越演越烈而一发不可收拾的局面，造成中国社会的进一步堕落和道德沦丧，尤其是知识分子的堕落和道德沦丧，葬送了中华民族实现自由民主和文明进步的大好机会，扼杀了中国人民追求自由民主和文明进步的梦想和希望，以至于中国现在都还在专制独裁的烂泥里打滚而不能自拔。他给中国人发出的信息是：贪官可以放心大胆地贪，普通老百姓只有忍气吞声的份，任何反抗的企图都将面临专政的铁拳，所以中国的现状就是邓小平一手造成的，整个一个祸国殃民的民族败类，汉奸卖国贼。这种下三滥居然还有人吹捧，脑子一定是叫驴踢了！
中国过去40年的改革开放最关键的一步是华国锋在毛泽东死后以极大的勇气和魄力清除了毛的忠实爪牙四人帮，结束了十年文革浩劫，并彻底否定了文革，否定了毛泽东发动的历次政治运动，所以事实上在很大程度上也否定了毛泽东，才开启了中国改革开放的新纪元，根本没邓小平什么事。那时候邓小平还在关禁闭，当时邓小平为了巴结和讨好华国锋，先后给华国锋写了两封信，在信中低三下四，奴颜卑膝，大肆吹捧华国锋，拍华国锋的马屁：“我衷心地拥护党中央关于由国锋同志担任党中央主席和军委主席的决定，我欢呼这个极其重要的决定对于党和社会主义事业的伟大意义。”“我同全国人民一样，对这个伟大斗争的胜利，由衷地感到万分的喜悦，情不自禁地高呼万岁，万岁，万万岁！我用这封短信来表达我的内心的真诚的感情。”以此向华国锋表忠心，从而骗取了华国锋的信任，才把他放出来，甚至任其小人得志。邓小平小人得志便猖狂，不仅篡夺了华国锋的权力，还造谣诽谤，污蔑华国锋阻止他出来工作，污蔑赵紫阳是“六四”的幕后黑手，污蔑赵紫阳的幕后黑手是境外反华势力，污蔑和平抗议的学生和市民是暴徒，整个一个忘恩负义，恩将仇报，以怨报德的小人，一个心胸狭隘，心狠手辣的刽子手。
中国过去40年改革开放的过程中真正干实事的是胡耀邦、赵紫阳、朱镕基、温家宝这些人，而邓小平却以太上皇自居，他可以不干实事，却又要贪天功为己有，取得了什么成绩都是他的功劳，出了什么事都是别人的错，然后把别人搞下去，胡耀邦和赵紫阳就是这样被他搞下去的。邓小平的这种搞法实际上比毛泽东和习近平更卑劣，更无耻，更具有欺骗性，以至于到现在都还在忽悠世人，可见中共宣传机器洗脑功夫之博大精深。
邓小平和毛泽东一样，充其量不过是有那么点机关算尽的小聪明，但缺乏的是高瞻远瞩，心胸开阔的大智慧。当年华国锋如果也像邓小平那样心胸狭隘，心狠手辣，完全可以和四人帮勾结把邓小平整死，然后自己当皇帝，根本轮不到邓小平来冒充什么改革开放的总设计师，更轮不到习近平来冒充毛二。可以说邓小平、江泽民、胡锦涛、习近平这几个太监加起来都顶不了一个华国锋，顶不了半个赵紫阳，连蒋经国和戈尔巴乔夫的一只脚丫子都不如。事实上，邓小平还不如清朝末年的慈禧太后。慈禧虽然被认为是顽固派，但她后来还是认识到中国要进行政治改革并颁布了《预备立宪大纲》。而邓小平到死都还在唧唧歪歪坚持四项基本原则一百年不动摇的陈词滥调，甚至为了维持自己的独裁统治地位和特权腐败，不惜大开杀戒，出动野战军用坦克和机关枪血腥屠杀和平抗议的学生和市民，所以邓小平的见识还不如一百多年前的一个70多岁的少数民族的老太太。
毛泽东、邓小平、江泽民、胡锦涛、习近平这帮祸国殃民的民族败类，汉奸卖国贼，都是中华民族的的耻辱，都将永远被钉在历史的耻辱柱上，任人唾骂，遗臭万年，永远在地狱里煎熬，否则中国就不能避免这样的坏人和坏事再次出现，还会有更多更大的灾难和耻辱，这个民族就永远都不可能有所长进，中国人永远都只能作为东亚病夫被人瞧不起，受到全世界的鄙视，中国永远都不能成为一个现代化的文明国家，中华民族永远都不可能有尊严地自立于世界民族之林。
This man is dramatically impressed by Power. I spent many hours in talking with Jiang Qing and I tell you she had not such a great opinion of the small man .
Jiang Qing - think most may not have such a great opinion of her and her Gang of Four either. Lucky for China they didn’t listen to her opinions much.
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