What people? What class of people? People of what class? I doubt it. I claim my right to doubt it. The survivors of Tienanmen massacre strongly doubt it. (I put a dislike just because I cannot put ten of them).
@@dp26385 You absolutely must. Deng Xiaoping is probably a far more important figure than Mao. Modern China is Deng's legacy (but also the legacy of other Chinese co-leaders as Deng did not govern alone).
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns bull crap. Things you are saying come right out of the playbook of the usa or its lackies where they want to portray Deng as a cruseder of their free market ecconomy and denounce their ideological rival. Deng has pivotal roll in the development of China but he won't even equal to the shadow of Mao.. Even his infamous cultural revolution did more good.. if not for him the party lords would have sold off the country as inheritance to their descendants. there wouldn't be a new China it would have been fractured to varius provinces fighting eachother.. there is no Deng without Mao.
What did Deng Xiaoping actually achieve here? He stopped supportting the insurgence form vietnum and stopped supporting malayan against singapore, in exchange for what? for Singapore not doing military training with Taiwan? I actually don't understand. I have a feeling that a lot of people are praising/glorifying those leaders, without actually understand what they specially did here. From what I understand here, Deng Xiaoping is not doing anything in the sense of pragmatism. He did something that is reasonable and moral (good for overall well being of people). He is not playing politics and trying to squeeze out marginaly benefit to his country. He actually did what's good for the world, while potentially sacrifizing the geopological control of his country a little bit.
The link to the full speech is in the video description, but I'll include it here with the Q&A as well. Full speech ua-cam.com/video/9q7G3uQANn4/v-deo.html Q&A ua-cam.com/video/o0G9A0NVxc8/v-deo.html
That a great man talking with a big smile,Mr Lee Kwan Yew.The man who made Singapore become what it is today!Respect to such an incredible politician. RIP.
I fully agree with a comment shown here that there is no great achievement of Deng Xiaoping without first the great achievement of Chairman Mao. China owes it miraculous economic success to both these two great men and now to President Xi Jinping who is steering China's helm with great wisdom and determination. LKY is of course the great man of Singapore.
@7:34 huge respect to LKY for confronting Deng Xiao Ping for recruiting partisans in Singapore about the same way he confronted CIA with their espionage here
LKY pragmatism DXP rationalism.they both witnessed transition in society and massive movements...they both had no other options but to make decisions within a time limit.
Imagin you are the leader of big China. Fought wars and believe in communism all your life. And suddenly you have give up communism and listen and ask a tiny nation leader “what do you want me to do”. All because for the good of China. Humble and great leader indeed.
D communists in Malaya were very ruthless n had no regard for human life at all. My grandfather was a simple farmer n he was "asked" to contribute food n provisions every month. My mother was to join them n when he said "over my dead body"they shot him n really did. My grandmother had to flee in d middle of d night with 6 children . 😢
What did Deng Xiaoping actually achieve here? He stopped supportting the insurgence form vietnum and stopped supporting malayan against singapore, in exchange for what? for Singapore not doing military training with Taiwan? I actually don't understand. I have a feeling that a lot of people are praising/glorifying those leaders, without actually understand what they specially did here. From what I understand here, Deng Xiaoping is not doing anything in the sense of pragmatism (or business). He did something that is reasonable and moral (good for overall well being of people). He is not playing politics and trying to squeeze out marginaly benefit to his country. He actually did what's good for the world, while potentially sacrifizing the geopological control of his country a little bit.
Deng Xiaoping hoped to oppose Vietnam and the Soviet Union with Southeast Asian countries, but because China supports communist guerrilla forces in Southeast Asia, Southeast Asian countries cannot trust China. Stopping support for guerrilla forces is a prerequisite for cooperation with Southeast Asian countries
@@texassabre7214 so basically earning respect from other countries by doing the right thing... like I said, "From what I understand here, Deng Xiaoping is not doing anything in the sense of pragmatism (or business). He did something that is reasonable and moral (good for overall well being of people). He is not playing politics and trying to squeeze out marginaly benefit to his country. He actually did what's good for the world"
I have Chinese friends who would disagree with you and think highly of LKY. Though they would qualify that slightly by saying turning the fortunes of 1.4 b people is not the same as changing the lives of 3m people.
MAO AND LINCOLN Part 2: The Great Leap Forward not all bad By Henry C K Liu
· See also Part 1: Demon and deity Most of the mass movements initiated by Mao Zedong were successful in changing old ideas and reshaping Chinese society. Even the Great Leap Forward, for which Mao is vilified, was successful in important areas, and estimates of 30 million deaths are wildly exaggerated. Bad weather, famines and the US trade embargo caused most of the deaths. Today's neo-liberal globalization has inflicted far more death and suffering than the Great Leap.
Mao did good unified China , Deng did great by taking many millions Chinese out of dirt poor poverty, Will Xi DaDa do greater or plunge China into wars n back to dirt poor poverty ?
Mao did good ?!?! Lol . What did he do that was good - his policies that starved 40 to 50,000,000 Chinese civilians to death , or his complete destruction of the Chinese economy , or his complete eradication of Chinese intellectuals ?
@@bigmedgeHey Murican, the population graph says that there was no possibility of 45 million deaths in China during Mao era. There was a famine, but it took around 10 million lives. Famines were common in all the developing countries at that time. I don't know why Mao is being targetted. My country India also was faced with many famines when the Brits looted and destroyed everything.
@@morningstararun6278 It's actually very simple. Denying a founding leader is the easiest way to overthrow the regime, as Khrushchev did, which undermines the legitimacy of the regime. If you really look at history, you will find that the exaggerated numbers were first said by the Americans, but the way they calculate them is different. They are estimated by the birth rate minus the population for that year. However, in a famine, there will be fewer births. In the face of famine, you cannot count the unborn population as death.
@@HaoZhang-zz2dd You are absolutely right. It was Krushchev that destroyed USSR, far before Gorbachev. If it wasn't for Stalin, there would be no strong Russia today, and even not a strong China, as Stalin helped CPC, when Nazis and Americans helped Kuomintang.
This man is dramatically impressed by Power. I spent many hours in talking with Jiang Qing and I tell you she had not such a great opinion of the small man .
Amazing that a paramount leader like Deng Xiaoping would listen to him. Such a simple story and yet LKY captivates you by his deliberation.
Deng may be the most impressive man you met, but you are the most impressive man I know.
These two are the absolute giants in leadership and geopolitics. I love LKY's stories, and the way he tells them.
Deng is indeed a great man ...I mean ..To win such praise from LKY is indeed rare
A leader knows how to tell a story by giving right amount of information and proper arrangement.
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中国传统对李光耀是音点
Вспомните. Историю. Джо. Байден
Lee Kuan Yew and Deng Xiao Ping both of them is Hero for Chinese people
Well said.
What people? What class of people? People of what class?
I doubt it. I claim my right to doubt it.
The survivors of Tienanmen massacre strongly doubt it. (I put a dislike just because I cannot put ten of them).
Brian L
You got to be nuts to think xi jinping is in the same league as deng xiaoping!
stop imposing your white views on the chinese ethnicity its sick! They will fight for their own future
Ella Shy .. It's not White views. It's western liberal views which is delusional.
I admire Deng Xiaoping for being so pragmatic in his approach to life, especially compared to his predecessor.
And sadly his successors.
Never heard of him until I just watched this video. Now I’m going to have to read about him along with Lee Kuan Yew.
@@dp26385 You absolutely must. Deng Xiaoping is probably a far more important figure than Mao. Modern China is Deng's legacy (but also the legacy of other Chinese co-leaders as Deng did not govern alone).
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns bull crap.
Things you are saying come right out of the playbook of the usa or its lackies where they want to portray Deng as a cruseder of their free market ecconomy and denounce their ideological rival.
Deng has pivotal roll in the development of China but he won't even equal to the shadow of Mao..
Even his infamous cultural revolution did more good.. if not for him the party lords would have sold off the country as inheritance to their descendants. there wouldn't be a new China it would have been fractured to varius provinces fighting eachother.. there is no Deng without Mao.
His predecessor was even more pragmatic lol
Two truly remarkable historical figures!
Salute Mr Lee kuan Yew and the late Deng xio peng,These two leaders were leader of honour and full of intergrity.The Eye Opener of Asia.
How incredibly lucid is this fella 's mind. His story telling is riveting.
Great mind think alike. Both great men want the best for their people.
What did Deng Xiaoping actually achieve here? He stopped supportting the insurgence form vietnum and stopped supporting malayan against singapore, in exchange for what? for Singapore not doing military training with Taiwan?
I actually don't understand. I have a feeling that a lot of people are praising/glorifying those leaders, without actually understand what they specially did here.
From what I understand here, Deng Xiaoping is not doing anything in the sense of pragmatism. He did something that is reasonable and moral (good for overall well being of people). He is not playing politics and trying to squeeze out marginaly benefit to his country. He actually did what's good for the world, while potentially sacrifizing the geopological control of his country a little bit.
LKY was not only a great 👍 leader but also a very Keen Observer of human beings 🎉
wish there was a longer version of this, LKW speeches are so thought provoking and packed to the brim with information that is worthly of archiving
The link to the full speech is in the video description, but I'll include it here with the Q&A as well.
Full speech
ua-cam.com/video/9q7G3uQANn4/v-deo.html
Q&A
ua-cam.com/video/o0G9A0NVxc8/v-deo.html
That a great man talking with a big smile,Mr Lee Kwan Yew.The man who made Singapore become what it is today!Respect to such an incredible politician. RIP.
Deng was the most impressive man Li have met. Li met Mao.
I agree with Li.
A communist and anti-communist talking business. Can have a civil discourse.
Remembering Mr Lee this day and seeing what he and Deng did for our future in ASEAN and Open New China
Only engagement in talk and understanding can reach common agreement.
Had he lived he would have been a 100 this year.
I fully agree with a comment shown here that there is no great achievement of Deng Xiaoping without first the great achievement of Chairman Mao. China owes it miraculous economic success to both these two great men and now to President Xi Jinping who is steering China's helm with great wisdom and determination. LKY is of course the great man of Singapore.
China succeeded in spite of Mao. He was a false savior.
@@devp3916 Yeah A false saviour that whooped the a55es of Muricans in Korean war.
Joe Biden could not shine their shoes.
lee kuan yew see the future of china . the great man of Singapore
Deng Xiso Ping and Lee Quan yew all good leader
Sir Our Founding Father is
A Very Stern Person.
Thanks.
@7:34 huge respect to LKY for confronting Deng Xiao Ping for recruiting partisans in Singapore about the same way he confronted CIA with their espionage here
I think that was still part of his story on Hua Guofeng
LKY pragmatism DXP rationalism.they both witnessed transition in society and massive movements...they both had no other options but to make decisions within a time limit.
We need more men like this.
This was a historic moment for Southeast Asia amd the crowd finds it funny
Imagin you are the leader of big China. Fought wars and believe in communism all your life. And suddenly you have give up communism and listen and ask a tiny nation leader “what do you want me to do”. All because for the good of China. Humble and great leader indeed.
How could such great Souls like Mao, Deng and Lee kwan grew from Southeast Asia !?
Men of Good Standing
D communists in Malaya were very ruthless n had no regard for human life at all. My grandfather was a simple farmer n he was "asked" to contribute food n provisions every month. My mother was to join them n when he said "over my dead body"they shot him n really did. My grandmother had to flee in d middle of d night with 6 children . 😢
The chinese in china and overseas chinese do build different. Respect!
LKY respected DXP n DXP respected LKY. That's why the Chinese governments after DXP had so much respect for LKY.
If you ask any Chinese around the world, they all have the deepest respect for LKY.
🎉❤
As a Cambodian, i feel sad
邓公一代伟人啊！太崇拜了
一代委人！！！89刽子手！！！继毛泽东之后的又一个独裁者！
👍🏼
China has DXP to thank for the economic success it has achieved.
What did Deng Xiaoping actually achieve here? He stopped supportting the insurgence form vietnum and stopped supporting malayan against singapore, in exchange for what? for Singapore not doing military training with Taiwan?
I actually don't understand. I have a feeling that a lot of people are praising/glorifying those leaders, without actually understand what they specially did here.
From what I understand here, Deng Xiaoping is not doing anything in the sense of pragmatism (or business). He did something that is reasonable and moral (good for overall well being of people). He is not playing politics and trying to squeeze out marginaly benefit to his country. He actually did what's good for the world, while potentially sacrifizing the geopological control of his country a little bit.
Deng Xiaoping hoped to oppose Vietnam and the Soviet Union with Southeast Asian countries, but because China supports communist guerrilla forces in Southeast Asia, Southeast Asian countries cannot trust China. Stopping support for guerrilla forces is a prerequisite for cooperation with Southeast Asian countries
Deng wants access to world stage at that time. That’s why.
@@texassabre7214 so basically earning respect from other countries by doing the right thing... like I said, "From what I understand here, Deng Xiaoping is not doing anything in the sense of pragmatism (or business). He did something that is reasonable and moral (good for overall well being of people). He is not playing politics and trying to squeeze out marginaly benefit to his country. He actually did what's good for the world"
Amazing, he talked so much about Teng Seow Pin but he prefer Dr. Goh Keng Swee to work with him immediately after
he stepped down from his post.
Cool story Yew!
(really, no jokes)
Isn't it Deng Xiaoping, not Deng Xiaopeng?
=he mispronounced it unintentional.
Jone Cuntapay No he pronounced it correctly, is the title of the video that I believe spelled it wrong.
Data Integration Thought Entity Humanoid Interface = ahhh. thanks for the reply.
Big deal obsessed
Like dictator in moderniser guise
Er arbeitet aus Liebe und nicht für Geld 💰
In d end, we r Chinese.
secret FTM ...... great granny........ !!!
邓公改变了中国，感恩。
The Chinese hate to be reminded that Lee Kuan Yew actually helped founded the new modern China 🇨🇳. 😂😅😊
Both LKY and Deng would not have wanted people to engage in tribal rhetoric that only increase counter-productive division between countries.
I have Chinese friends who would disagree with you and think highly of LKY. Though they would qualify that slightly by saying turning the fortunes of 1.4 b people is not the same as changing the lives of 3m people.
How wrong you are, saying what you just said....!
@@bohanxu6125 disagree
@@JoCkey607 Yes. Both Lee and Mr. Deng did their job perfectly
Now we are left with mad man Xi 😢
Sadly Lee has a tiny country to work with. Or he will rewrite the history.
Ollikpoolikpli)l))
MAO AND LINCOLN
Part 2: The Great Leap Forward not all bad
By Henry C K Liu
· See also Part 1:
Demon and deity
Most of the mass movements initiated by Mao Zedong were successful in changing
old ideas and reshaping Chinese society. Even the Great Leap Forward, for which
Mao is vilified, was successful in important areas, and estimates of 30 million
deaths are wildly exaggerated. Bad weather, famines and the US trade
embargo caused most of the deaths. Today's neo-liberal globalization has
inflicted far more death and suffering than the Great Leap.
Mao did good unified China , Deng did great by taking many millions Chinese out of dirt poor poverty, Will Xi DaDa do greater or plunge China into wars n back to dirt poor poverty ?
Mao did good ?!?! Lol . What did he do that was good - his policies that starved 40 to 50,000,000 Chinese civilians to death , or his complete destruction of the Chinese economy , or his complete eradication of Chinese intellectuals ?
@@bigmedgeHey Murican, the population graph says that there was no possibility of 45 million deaths in China during Mao era. There was a famine, but it took around 10 million lives. Famines were common in all the developing countries at that time. I don't know why Mao is being targetted. My country India also was faced with many famines when the Brits looted and destroyed everything.
@@morningstararun6278 It's actually very simple. Denying a founding leader is the easiest way to overthrow the regime, as Khrushchev did, which undermines the legitimacy of the regime. If you really look at history, you will find that the exaggerated numbers were first said by the Americans, but the way they calculate them is different. They are estimated by the birth rate minus the population for that year. However, in a famine, there will be fewer births. In the face of famine, you cannot count the unborn population as death.
@@HaoZhang-zz2dd You are absolutely right. It was Krushchev that destroyed USSR, far before Gorbachev. If it wasn't for Stalin, there would be no strong Russia today, and even not a strong China, as Stalin helped CPC, when Nazis and Americans helped Kuomintang.
This man is dramatically impressed by Power. I spent many hours in talking with Jiang Qing and I tell you she had not such a great opinion of the small man .
Jiang Qing - think most may not have such a great opinion of her and her Gang of Four either. Lucky for China they didn’t listen to her opinions much.