I love how Edith and Mary put their differences aside for just this once. And Edith reaches out and holds Mary to ground her and make sure she’s okay. This must be torturous for Mary. Even if Talbot wasn’t the one killed…the fire, the flipped car… it all brings back her trauma with Matthew in the dangerous reality of the sport.
@Kerrie Thompson Edith was goading Mary in that scene, which prompted Mary to clap back. Edith knows Mary’s nature and yet she stills dangles her engagement to Bertie over her head? Yeah, no, sorry, it was Edith’s fault.
@@kerriethompson2073 Edith went across the line first, what Mary said to Lord one arm was cruel but when Edith went to the Turkish Embassy and told then Mary was a... well you know, that was a bit much lol.
Regardless of how you feel about Mary, I think everyone can acknowledge how traumatizing this must have been after the immense pain of losing Matthew the same way. Man I felt so bad for her.
Agree. I didn’t like that she ended up with this guy. She had legitimate reasons why she didn’t want to be with him and the relationship seemed forced. I didn’t like that Tom forced this guy into Mary, he was the one more interested in Henry than Mary.
@@rayleigh8 Noone forced Henry, he himself pursued her and openly claimed he was falling in love. It might be have been not so well-written or too rushed in execution - but from characters' POV Henry did fall for Mary
This whole scene/storyline was understandable. The trauma and even PTSD of Mary. And the sibling comfort between her, Tom, and Edith. It was everything.
With how traumatizing Matthew’s death was, and how Henry’s character never made an appearance in the new movie (I know I know, most likely due to the actor’s schedule) it was a bad idea to have Mary end up with him. Too much heartbreak for her.
Well, he did quit racing for some time and he might quit it in the future again, not necessarily he would die like Charlie did and Mary might eventually adjust to his profession as well.
I am absolutely no Mary fan. But watching this scene always makes me feel bad for her: her trauma regarding Matthew's death is big and seeing this, it all came back to her and hit her like a wave. Nobody deserves that.
Edith being there for Mary in this scene confirms again for me why I am Team Edith. When it comes to the nicer moments in their relationship, I'd say Edith starts them more often than Mary does. And for any Edith haters who cite Edith's actions with the Turkish ambassador as the reason Mary does not reach out to Edith, I'll say, "No. Mary was mean to Edith before that even when Edith did nothing to provoke her (e.g. criticizing Edith for being sad at Patrick's funeral)." In fact, I'd say that if Mary had tried to be nicer to Edith and understand her better, Edith never would have written that letter.
Mary would have also supported Edith if it came to this. Also, those pointing out Edith's faults are not necessarily her ''haters'' - in fact, that's very childish to give out those labels just because someone disagrees with you. Finally, no matter how mean Mary was to Edith, nothing justified sending that letter, that was a low blow. That's not ''hating'', that's an opinion.
Nobody does shock, despair and heartbreak like Downton Abbey. Throughout all of Lady Mary's troubles, trials and tragedies, she's comes though the other side far more resilient than she could ever imagine. "That was does not kill you makes you stronger." Of course in true Downton Abbey fashion, they left out the most important (IMO) to this entire story arc. After dinner, Henry calls Mary. By now she's turned inwardly and cold and has All of her defenses up. Henry pours out his feelings for her, but she rebukes him. By the end of their conversation she lets him go. In speaking with Tom, she reveals how she was relieved it wasn't Henry, staring at a car in flames and Henry covered in ashes and dust. She cannot bear being hurt again. The conversation between she and Tom is so enduring, and needs to be shown. Both actors portray a depth of emotions that only the characters of Lady Mary and Tom Branson can express.
It makes no sense why the second film retconned Henry giving up racing; his absence is explained via “he’s out racing overseas.” The point of him quitting racing was that he wanted to stop taking so many risks after losing Charlie and also wanted to please Mary who didn’t want to lose another husband to a car crash.
True but racing is / was his passion. We can maybe assume he could take it up again, on condition that he only do it every so often or something. It seems cruel for others to make him quit his passion because of fear.
Just saw Ferrari settled in the mid '50-ties and it was somehow shocking to see how low secrurity messures were in those days,. just some bales of straw not even knee high to "protect" the spectators of a street race.The movie made the tragedy expected to happen VERY visual.
Lol, “triggered”, she was in full control of herself & slightly concerned that it was going to affect her. Period. You’ve clearly never seen someone suffering a PTSD episode…..
@@MyMags8 obviously neither have you. She lost her beloved husband in a car accident the same say she had the baby. How is that not a cause for PTSD? Wow....
@@gailwebb9619 do you know this is fictional? I was commenting on her response in this clip which was mild. FYI yes I both suffered PTSD & witnessed someone’s reaction with PTSD
And do what, exactly? Unless he was a medic or physician there was nothing he could do. He’d just be in the way. There were already many people closer to the crash trying to help.
Well, stop that speeding shite. That's all that I can say. What does it really add to life? Eh? Even today! Tell me. Oh, yes! It's the fame. It's the money, the money. It's the unacknowledged death wish. Tell me that I am wrong. I will not care.
I love how Edith and Mary put their differences aside for just this once. And Edith reaches out and holds Mary to ground her and make sure she’s okay. This must be torturous for Mary. Even if Talbot wasn’t the one killed…the fire, the flipped car… it all brings back her trauma with Matthew in the dangerous reality of the sport.
Then Mary repays her by outing Marigold to Bertie. Such a nice sister.
@Kerrie Thompson
Edith was goading Mary in that scene, which prompted Mary to clap back. Edith knows Mary’s nature and yet she stills dangles her engagement to Bertie over her head? Yeah, no, sorry, it was Edith’s fault.
And I would never say this except for those two events lmao, but poor Mary. Shes had it rough.
@@kerriethompson2073 Edith went across the line first, what Mary said to Lord one arm was cruel but when Edith went to the Turkish Embassy and told then Mary was a... well you know, that was a bit much lol.
Edith found a way to always do that for Mary. Kind of sad that Mary, still turned so bitter again toward Edith.
Regardless of how you feel about Mary, I think everyone can acknowledge how traumatizing this must have been after the immense pain of losing Matthew the same way. Man I felt so bad for her.
Agree. I didn’t like that she ended up with this guy. She had legitimate reasons why she didn’t want to be with him and the relationship seemed forced. I didn’t like that Tom forced this guy into Mary, he was the one more interested in Henry than Mary.
@@rayleigh8 Noone forced Henry, he himself pursued her and openly claimed he was falling in love. It might be have been not so well-written or too rushed in execution - but from characters' POV Henry did fall for Mary
This whole scene/storyline was understandable. The trauma and even PTSD of Mary. And the sibling comfort between her, Tom, and Edith. It was everything.
mary's face as henry walks out covered in soot, out of the smoke... my god, her season 6 scenes were amazing, beautiful to watch
With how traumatizing Matthew’s death was, and how Henry’s character never made an appearance in the new movie (I know I know, most likely due to the actor’s schedule) it was a bad idea to have Mary end up with him. Too much heartbreak for her.
agreed
Well, he did quit racing for some time and he might quit it in the future again, not necessarily he would die like Charlie did and Mary might eventually adjust to his profession as well.
I am absolutely no Mary fan. But watching this scene always makes me feel bad for her: her trauma regarding Matthew's death is big and seeing this, it all came back to her and hit her like a wave. Nobody deserves that.
Anna always supporting Mary ❤️
Poor Mary she can’t catch a break.
Edith being there for Mary in this scene confirms again for me why I am Team Edith. When it comes to the nicer moments in their relationship, I'd say Edith starts them more often than Mary does. And for any Edith haters who cite Edith's actions with the Turkish ambassador as the reason Mary does not reach out to Edith, I'll say, "No. Mary was mean to Edith before that even when Edith did nothing to provoke her (e.g. criticizing Edith for being sad at Patrick's funeral)." In fact, I'd say that if Mary had tried to be nicer to Edith and understand her better, Edith never would have written that letter.
They were mean to each other. Both gave and took it. But when it counted they had each other backs.
@@sarahjames927 yeah remember how sympatehtic Mary was when she was making jokes to Anna about Michael's death and insulting Edith.
Mary would have also supported Edith if it came to this. Also, those pointing out Edith's faults are not necessarily her ''haters'' - in fact, that's very childish to give out those labels just because someone disagrees with you. Finally, no matter how mean Mary was to Edith, nothing justified sending that letter, that was a low blow. That's not ''hating'', that's an opinion.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849Yeah, right, just like she "supported" Edith when Gregson died. By being a mean, cold bully.
Nobody does shock, despair and heartbreak like Downton Abbey. Throughout all of Lady Mary's troubles, trials and tragedies, she's comes though the other side far more resilient than she could ever imagine. "That was does not kill you makes you stronger." Of course in true Downton Abbey fashion, they left out the most important (IMO) to this entire story arc. After dinner, Henry calls Mary. By now she's turned inwardly and cold and has All of her defenses up. Henry pours out his feelings for her, but she rebukes him. By the end of their conversation she lets him go. In speaking with Tom, she reveals how she was relieved it wasn't Henry, staring at a car in flames and Henry covered in ashes and dust. She cannot bear being hurt again. The conversation between she and Tom is so enduring, and needs to be shown. Both actors portray a depth of emotions that only the characters of Lady Mary and Tom Branson can express.
Such a beautiful place, went for a nostalgic race day with Nigel Mansel!
Tom has never sounded more Irish.
It makes no sense why the second film retconned Henry giving up racing; his absence is explained via “he’s out racing overseas.” The point of him quitting racing was that he wanted to stop taking so many risks after losing Charlie and also wanted to please Mary who didn’t want to lose another husband to a car crash.
Maybe Henry was a sponsor of a car rather than driving one himself. He may have trauma from driving but he hasn't lost his love for the machine
Or maybe he's competing in LeMans which is more about endurance?
True but racing is / was his passion. We can maybe assume he could take it up again, on condition that he only do it every so often or something. It seems cruel for others to make him quit his passion because of fear.
I love the honest "whats the point?"
One hundred years later, simple things like roll bars, seat belts and fire proof clothing could have saved the driver.
And now people call things like that "taking away ma freedums!". They don't realize that most safety measures come from witnessing horrors like this.
Just saw Ferrari settled in the mid '50-ties and it was somehow shocking to see how low secrurity messures were in those days,. just some bales of straw not even knee high to "protect" the spectators of a street race.The movie made the tragedy expected to happen VERY visual.
The characters Mary and Henry, never had chemistry, IMO. I never “bought” them as an in love, couple 🤷🏼♀️
Omg, Lady Mary didn't want to go through that again like what happened to Matthew.
Why is poor Mary cursed? First Matthew and now a second husband. Why?! Poor Mary! 💔
The way Mary was triggered😭😭😭
Lol, “triggered”, she was in full control of herself & slightly concerned that it was going to affect her. Period. You’ve clearly never seen someone suffering a PTSD episode…..
@@MyMags8 So you wanna reply all the comments with similar content to mine, or...? Seriously, give it a break.
@@rahaa.sh_307 lmao, grow up buttercup
@@MyMags8 obviously neither have you. She lost her beloved husband in a car accident the same say she had the baby. How is that not a cause for PTSD? Wow....
@@gailwebb9619 do you know this is fictional? I was commenting on her response in this clip which was mild. FYI yes I both suffered PTSD & witnessed someone’s reaction with PTSD
Oh no, an overturn!
Henry was forced into Mary. She shouldn’t have ended up with him. Tom was wrong on forcing Henry into Mary.
Anna is the best.
Wow, what a horrible thing to have in common with someone...
Mrs patmore sounds so much like Mrs beaver from narnia 1988
Hi Matthew!
Absolutely hate how Tom guilt tripped Mary into Henry ughhhh no chemistry
Why didn’t the commentator help with the crash?
And do what, exactly? Unless he was a medic or physician there was nothing he could do. He’d just be in the way. There were already many people closer to the crash trying to help.
@@35diamondgirlfair enough
Did anyone else notice that Henry and Mary's daughter is named after Charlie Rogers? Caroline is a feminine version of Charles.
Where was the water truck? They should have at least haf a water cart.
Hasnt been invented yet, i bet 😅
Crashes unfortunately happens in engine sports😢
¿The race is 24 Hs Le Mans?
No chemistry at all😢
Auto race equals consequences...
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Well, stop that speeding shite. That's all that I can say. What does it really add to life? Eh? Even today! Tell me. Oh, yes! It's the fame. It's the money, the money. It's the unacknowledged death wish. Tell me that I am wrong. I will not care.