WHY BATWOMAN FLOPPED
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2020
- The newest installment in the ongoing Arrowverse didn't go as planned. Batwoman didn't see the same success Arrow, Flash, Supergirl, or The Legends Of Tomorrow did... and to make matters worse series star Ruby Rose has since announced her departure from the show.
It's looking like it's all downhill from here--- but I've decided to take a look back at the show's first season and what they got right... and wrong.
#Batwoman #Batman #CW #RubyRose #SeasonOne #SeasonTwo #TheBatman
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Why exactly did u make this video, to do what,,,,make us stop watching it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Drat! Foiled again by big brain energy !
@@VI_V2 come on man Damien's awesome he's super cool and he can beat up a group of full grown men all by himself that's amazing
Roasted 😎
chill Alexis the show is garbage you sped. the own actor for batwoman left because it’s wack
Antonino Gaudino she left because of personal reasons
"Batman abandoned Gotham, I'm better than him."........didn't last 1 year.
And killed Bruce Wayne and some other guy
Batman has been going 60 years -- is it abandonment or retirement?
I just wish they made a Batman show instead, AND DIDNT KILL THE FUCKING JOKER
@@DrakeKnight99 uh that was a copy also he didn’t have his bat suit in look who stole it.
@@theminime3574 yea and I think batman went missing from Gotham because the joker “killed” Jason Todd in he killed the joker.
batwomen : "i'm not about to let a man to take credit for a women's work"
yet here you are using his armor, money, gadgets, batcave and symbol.
She also gets angry when people mistake her for Batman even though she's dressed like him.
HYPOCRISY!!!
@@mcstacia he said "using" not that she "made" those
@@mcstacia didn't know this "badass" superhero really care about this little things like being mistaken for someone similar outfitted
The fucking cringe
Batwoman finale: red hood appears and says "you are a joke, not batman" and just kills kate, the series ends there
They could literally pick anybody from the bat family.
@@mid-sizesedan488 Damien Wayne just pulls up and ends the show right then and there
@@mid-sizesedan488 yet only jason would pull the trigger and mayyybbbee damian.
@@halcyoned We all know how much Batman loves lecturing the batfamily, i'd settle with the Batmobile showing up and Batman telling batwoman to stfu and then the show is now a live action batman show.
Are u serious that’s it?
"The characters are inconsistent."
Welcome to the CW
CW shows always end up in plot loops too, like Flash was so good for a season or 2, & then it was just “ive failed as a superhero ” * inspiring speech * “im better” over & over or doomsday events over & over, same happened with Arrow but they lasted a lot longer before dropping
@@jadebrantley53 you know whats funny is that the first 2 seasons of flash are also horseshit. took a second watch to capture that, but maybe it was because i wasnt 13 anymore and know what a good plot and charachters and especially what good or at least decent acting is
@@jadebrantley53 don't forget the RUN BARRY RUN!
"You don't like Batwoman because you don't want to watch a show about a woman"
*Laughs in Jessica Jones.*
No that’s not the point she’s a crappy excuse for a female character
Tbf I mistake was making more like supergirl show instead of batwoman show. I respect new comer and I will give her a shot but I still think CW missed a lot of great opportunities with its characters. I love to see show about kingdom superman than superman and lois tbf
Laughs in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
laughs in Xena
Dude i would kill if a oracle and batfamily show
Reasons why Batwoman sucked:
1. CW made it.
@Kryptoskillet and the arrow and flash lost its flair after season 3
@Kryptoskillet most of the flash sucks, arrow isn’t been good since season 3 ( 5 is good tho ). Arrow & flash aren’t comic book accurate
@Kryptoskillet the cw are the problem, they would rather push political or world problems then make a superhero show and use repetitive writing that completely dulls the shows after season 3. They throw the source material out the window and try to make there own edgy shit and that's an awful idea
@Kryptoskillet id argue harley quinn is a """feminist""" show in 2020 and it banged hard. The issue is writing, not ideals.
Uh-uh. CW made Supernatural. And Supernatural was fantastic. Check urself before you wreck urself
I never could get over how dumb the outfit looked. That red wig was awful.
Looks like it's from wish
You're not a fan of Spirit Halloween store?
It's like they took everything that was wrong with the dark knight and slapped on Woody Harrelsons wig from the Venom post credit scene.
@@aspiringjoker2883 yes
I always thought it was just batwoman's actu hair and the mask was like a mix of robin and batman's headpieces, with there being no top but cover for everywhere else. But yeah knowing how it actually is, looks really dogshit
Pretty much the whole dang show is just “Man Bad, Woman Good”
LMAO 😂
Kate is a fascinating character who all about self improvement and inner demons...in the comics.
Sad that this show may discourage people to actually read Batwoman comics
What show have you been watching Kate is totally irresponsible it her fault that people died and the villains got away she sucks as a hero
She cares more about her lesbian feelings instead of her duties of being a responsible hero ya real dark ohhhh
@Morris01 all they done with this show was try to make it woke shit witch I think Is wrong because they ruined a character that could have been played way better
@Morris01 What good OG ones? The original just wanted to sleep with Batman. Kate is the ONLY good Batwoman.
She's a military trained person... but batman is a trained assasin
He also learned and mastered every martial arts known to man. Was trained by the best, engineer, fighters. He did this in 5 years and batwoman thinks she can compare because she has "military training"
just some guy I’m pretty sure Bruce trained for 10 years not 5
@@aarongarcia5590 He trained his mind and body from youth into early manhood of an indeterminate age.
@roger Inhard i remember reading in some comics that batman trained as an assassin to AVOID killing people or something like that im not sure tho
@roger Inhard Well... Ummmm no.
The Bat is supposed to be mysterious and horrifying. People would get caught in a cloud of smoke and be on the ground when it clears. He would stalk from the shadows and swoop down when he got the chance. Yknow *like a bat.* nobody is afraid of Batwoman.
Agreed. Poor writing..amounts to a rip-off of the original comix material that's main focus is pushing Woke Lesbians that are batwahmem 2nd..
After taking all of Waynes money & bat gear..
Batnipples..🤪
I love how easy the “it will be when it fits a woman” line could’ve been fixed just by her saying “when it fits me”
It flopped cause the writers are bad, they disrespected Batman in almost every episode. The cast just want their money they don't really care about what's going on
I didn’t watch the show but how can u disrespect Batman 🤦🏻♂️like her she is using his money, tech, batcave, symbol and y’all still bash him
@@aarongarcia5590 "It will be when it fits a woman" Kate breaking batman's rule and batman's disappearance like where did he go? Narnia??
@@aarongarcia5590 Almost as if that is a metaphor for the modern feminist movement or something.
Magepunk 77 Ik total bullshit
Agreed! The problem was largely the subpar writing.
The problem with lesbian or gay characters, isn’t so much the idea of them. No it’s a perfectly fine idea if you ask me, but you have to do two very simple thing, and that is write them as human beings, and stop writing them as symbols, because they don’t lead to good characters, if you write them as human beings you create a bond with your audience. They can be so strong that you become a symbol.
They use the sexuality as the main thing for a character, instead of writing a good character who happens to be gay/lesbian/bisexual
matthew rowley The sexuality angle was the main focus with Negative Man in the Doom Patrol show
@@mrowley7300 That's often the problem with these guys. Your "sexual interest" is that, your sexual interest; unless it's a show that's constantly about sex or showing you having it no one really gives a fuck. It's boring and at this point groaning. That's why they were never the main character but sides in old shows and the real characters are the ones you remember and you don't remember them for what they're into sexually unless it ties into their main personality.
Ultimate warrior disaproves
@@BigK13372 and he was good and simply Dc titans did a good job on estsblishing doom patrol.
Were negative man cooking and singing ACDC thunderstuck
The suit was perfection... When it was made for Batman.
Bro the Batwoman suit is basically a knockoff cosplay version of The Dark Knight suit how dare they 🤬
“Kevin will go to the grave as batman” still stings 😢
The Batwoman costume looks like they stuck a wig on Batman
Edit: holy shit she did
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 yeh
Yeah... that’s an established part of her look in the comics and all. Maybe next time you comment you should do research so you don’t look ignorant
@@Desthemess413 maybe next time consider I don’t read the comics
Wait till you see the one for the new chick. It's worse
@@raptalos9412 I liked your comment AND the edit. Nothing says the truth more than someone discovering their opinion instead of being told it. You are not required to study the comic book lore to be able to have an opinion about some silly TV show.
“It will be perfect.... when it fits a woman”
“Finally.... my bat nipples will have a purpose”
Do you think guys don’t have nipples?
@@beastedninja3757 how?
@@dg9444 👉🏼🚪
@@TheRealUnknownVoice I know, but men have nipples, so they had just as much purpose on a man as a woman.
@@patito3698 📉🧠
I still can't get over how batwoman threw a batarang wrong and caused an explosion, and the batarang was blamed instead of her. Really shows the priorities of the writers.
This whole show just feels like a fan fiction
"It will be, when it fits a woman" is one of the dumbest lines in history. It imply as long as it fits any woman, she will be a badass. The suit don't work like that
Also she's say that girls can't have masculine body types
@@Zechariah_Mathieson1871 not to mention the black guy said that the suit was "LITERAL PERFECTION"
That line is being read into way too much.
The mc is a woman so the suit fitting a woman made sense since you know, *she definetly isn't built buff or like bruce wayne*
And wearing a suit that doesn't fit well? That just doesn't make sense
@@Ghghost43 k true
That's like taking away Clarks powers and watching him fight. That's why in Supergirl, they trained her in hand to hand combat in a low kryptonite field so help her understand.
"Either be Jason Todd or don't!" 😂 Best line!
He misspelled Jason Todd-ed
I wanna be In jason and tim 😏
@triforian king i need to be more familiar with Tim.
I only know him from young justice
@@inkkid376 *bonk*
When he said it he said Damian Wayne
6:31
Who would've known that this became a reality so soon 😔
Rest in peace Kevin
The series Gotham was my favorite Batman series cause it started as a young Bruce and it showed other characters growing as the villains and I think they should give nightwing his own series but call it bloodhaven!
I doubt that since, Titans did a good job on his character build up
Ok, my issue is..... Ruby rose has no actual training. Other than being batmans/bruce waynes cousin. So does that make her a master detective? Bruce Wayne trained for years as a league of assassin and all of a sudden someone. Male or female with no training can just jump into his suit and be a full fledge bat person...???? How does that work??? How?
She had military training
@@subhamdebnath5182 And privet training
So...you didn't actually watch the show.
@@eeveemaster8902 ...Privet? Trimming hedges???
Ruby Rose bit off more than she could chew when she talked trash about them just letting all female actors try out for the role and she said of Batwoman was gay then so should the person that plays her and she sucked at the role, her acting was flat and she's usually pretty good but not here
Here’s my issue with Batwoman:
In the comics, the focus of Batwoman was her struggling with her inner demons, NOT the fact that she was LGBTQ. Which was also done tastefully in the comics, I might add.
Because this is a CW show, Kate Kane’s lesbianism seemed to be more of a focus than actually driving a plot. This, plus a horribly inconsistent script led to an ultimately flat first season.
This is unfortunate, as Arrow, Flash, Supergirl, Legends, and Black Lightning all featured main characters who were LGTBQ. They had a framework to build off of. But when your lead character in their first season of SUPERHERO SHOW is more concerned about making you know that they’re LGTBQ and not so much about everything they’re supposed to do, it becomes a distraction, not a loveable element of the character.
Example: Sara Lance/White Canary was gradually built up as a bisexual character. It blossomed as she became more prominent and developed naturally as her character DEVELOPED more, and once she was the main lead of Legends, you knew what to expect from her. Which made her interaction with Alex in the Crisis On Earth X crossover both hilarious and funny. And REAL!
With Kate Kane in Batwoman, they beat you over the head over and over and over again that she’s lesbian, almost as if we’re stupid or not paying attention. That to me was a distraction more than anything. I almost didn’t care anymore.
If people want to get mad at this, whatever. I’m just saying what no one has the guts to say. CW tried to push a show with not just female lead character, but a gay female lead character, and shove in our faces that she was gay. And it didn’t work. It was at the cost of character development and bland, inconsistent acting for a woman who, in real life, is actually a lesbian (yes, Ruby Rose is a lesbian). But it came so over the top in her acting that it seemed fake.
All that, coupled with the fact that they effectively killed off Batman made this a dull show.
Thank you for this video, and for having the guts to call it out.
FAX!!! Paragraph 5 tho???It really hit me hard
Underated comment.
Sam Raheem thanks. Again, it’s to give an honest opinion on this subject matter because you don’t know who you’ll offend.
100% agree. So many studio executives want to push "diversity" by making the most stereotypical characters, where their only personality trait is that they are a minority. There are a lot of well done gay, female, of color, etc. characters in media. The best part, is how they act like REAL PEOPLE. All the minorities I know (myself included) dont have to remind us that they are LGBTQ+, because, people dont act like that. We need more diverse characters, not token characters, like Kate, which is what studios dont understand.
Yea i agree 100% with this.
"he will go to the grave as Batman" 🥲 we miss u Kevin
The quote about Kevin Conroy going to the grave as batman was so accurate
1: the writers don’t understand the source material
2: most tv writers of late are incapable writing non-annoying female characters.
3. Whilst insulting your intelligence, the show runners refuse to take any constructive criticism.
Facts
Word, anytime they get called out on their poor storytelling skills, they call us fascists and sexist. When in reality they have no clue what they're doing.
Most of all, these hypocrites not only have put out some of THE most cringeworthy and toxic products imaginable, but they also are just a bunch of bitter assholes who are incapable of lifting people up without tearing others down.
The problem lies in THERE'S NOTHING they can work on from the source material. She is a boring character in the comics. This show had the perfect chance to pull a Mr.Freeze and add some new life to this character. But instead, they went into the same route that led her to be one of the most uninteresting characters in the batfamily.
the source material? Her comics were kinda ass man. She’s just,,, such an insufferable character.
Cassandra Cain hates her guts for killing Clayface. When she did that, she became ded to me too.
Woa?! There are people that don’t wanna watch *Batman Beyond*
Such foolish decision.
Right? So good!
The series I grew up on
It's right after Spectacular Spider-Man for best Spider-Man animated series.
Bisexual Ichigo it’s crazy
Batman Beyond was the shit after Batman TAS
I've never heard someone reference Birds of Prey, that was my show. Dark Angel is another show I wish ppl remembered.
I loved Dark Angel, I even have novels based on the show. And Birds Of Prey(tv series) I have on dvd.
That’s a great question, where the hell is Alfred?
Batman is getting represented in media really badly lately. But the Batman movie will hopefully fix that.
Edit: They fixed it😁
It can do two things. Make people forget about it, or make them shit on it even more.
Fr
Like Titans oof-
Good news
Well this aged great
Batman was not only fixed, but also improved.
8:10
not even kidding, the second you said "the show should've just started this with line", an ad played, with the first line of the ad saying "this is going to suck"
never had i agreed more with an ad in my life
Mine said it’s grilled cheese o’clock
@@fancydemogorgon6780 lmao
@@fancydemogorgon6780 would be a better show by the mere mention of grilled cheese
@@olchapplobro5258 I hear Season 3 will drop the whole Batwoman in Gotham plot for a grilled cheese cooking tournament set in Wales, thinking of getting into the show then.
Mine was : I am an antourpanour
As someone who has never seen the show, that intro really made me REALLY not want to watch it.
Bruh when he said “start with this line” I got a Disney plus advert XD
Batman: The Animated Series was amazing...
So was Batman Beyond
@@markmagician2471 animated is better
I still don’t have a good way to watch both of those amazing animated shows and I don’t wanna get HBO max
@@d4nnylaflame896 HBO max doesn't even have them
@squelette fainéants true
The thing that sticks out to me is just how much of a Mary Sue she is. She seems like "Little Miss Perfect" straight out of the box. There is no real training or sense of progression, she just "is" Batwoman, and we're supposed to just accept that. That's not really a good way to start off a series.
In Arrow season 1, they show (through numerous flashbacks) how Oliver changed from being a selfish playboy to a stone cold badass, and the struggles he endured to get to that point.
In Supergirl season 1 they show her making mistakes, generally being a bit rubbish and getting called out for it (like when she tries to move an oil tanker that's on fire and accidently rips it apart, making the situation worse)
In Flash season 1, same story. He's a bit crap and often overshoots his destination by many blocks, and needs his team to guide him and help him train to use his powers. (one of his mentors secretly has the same powers too so is able to tell Barry about things he can do that Barry himself didn't know)
In Batwoman.......there's none of that. She can just 'do it'. She can fight really well (no explanation). She knows how to use all the gadgets (no explanation). There's no "Ooh, how does this thing work? Whoops...", or "I probably shouldn't jump off buildings until I learn how to glide with this cape". Nope, she's just a master of everything and fearless to boot!
It's hard to get invested in a character who is that perfect (and so knowingly smug about it too)
Very well said.
Great point 💯
Thank you!
She's just like Rey in Star Wars, so perfect she could do anything without even training. Such poor character writting
Well, they point out in the pilot that she trained at the police academy, so that somewhat explains her fighting skills. Though how she can fight all those people at the same time with a heavy set of armor is a head scratcher. As for the rest... yeah, spot on.
My Idea for Batwoman If I were a director of the film, I want her to struggle especially physically and mentally and I want her to be broken down and at the end rises up and we can continue cheering for her as she succeeds. SIMILAR WITH DAREDEVIL SERIES ( I also want her to be abit bratty) similar with Batman.
Bring back Kiteman as her nemesis.
‘He will go to the grave as Batman’ damn RIP
Let me nitpick here a second.
Buffy had magical powers that allowed SMG to pack the punch of an SMG (waits for applause... crickets... moving on).
If Batwoman is going to be a smaller woman, then the choreography for the fights needs to play up speed and dexterity over raw strength. She should fight by strike and move tactics, hitting weak spots, and being too fast to hit. Something that a military-trained female and a scrapper would have learned growing up. They could have made it a thing where she knows she can't meet strength for strength and some of her enemies could actively work to reduce her mobility to try to even the odds.
Furthermore, they do those weird jumpcuts in fights where you dont comprehend what is happening at all because it does look ridiculous when she tries to beat even "the goons" on the show. Ammel on Arrow is not the biggest guy around. But they put time and effort in choreography and he is actually so believable that he has done an actual WWE match and looked like he was a professional wrestler that has done it for years. They didnt do that with Ruby. So it looks ridiculous and unbelievable on screen.
Or she could’ve gone gadget heavy in the fights which would’ve made more sense.
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Golf clap. Not for the pun. For waiting for applause 😂
Yeah, um, can you please work on shows as a fight choreographer, because that's awesome lol
Ok but the reason the Slayer was so strong, was so she could match the strength of her enemies. Vampires and Demons weren't just human in strength, they were vastly stronger.
So saying SMG had powers still isn't a plausable excuse because her powers were matched to her enemies.
The writers just need to hang out with the writers of the Harley Quinn cartoon series to understand how to do a female-led show correctly. Positive Girl power + many flawed decisions and mistakes + laughs + not all men are the bad guys + unexpected turns = damn decent show
To be fair, all of the men on the show are two dimensional and while they may not all be “bad”, they are overwhelmingly incompetent or moronic.
@gorgoroth1919 Calm yourself. He didn't even say anything to set you off.
@gorgoroth1919 Cause people don't like bad writing makes them not being able to have sex?
@gorgoroth1919 Well allow me to answer you obvious liberal propagandist (Seriously though what's with the overuse of the word incel? The answer is yes the show does have good writing. Are some of the men moronic yes absolutely, but the show is well written the main cast is lovable and it throws homage and easter eggs and pays homage to the comics and other shows. Your comment is outright dumb. All you did was come to a thread and hurl the word incel around.
@@tariqsharif9694 right the only semi competent person on the show is ivy and she tries to stay sidelined. The only reliable person is
Kiteman.
His deadpan delivery was also him showing he's in control, when he spoke we listened, for Batwoman's performance with what she says kept being flipped on us she never came across as in control so her deadpan delivery just fell flat and something you didn't need to listen too because it'll probably change the next episode
I would like to mention that we believed Buffy could fight against people twice her size is because she had super strength, batwoman is a regular person in a bat suit
It would of been ok had they not kept repeating "im a Lesbian"
I agree sir. I keep waiting for storyline I could follow instead? Then finally said enough Ok I get it she's a lesbian!
The second Batwoman is even worse. She spends every episode saying she's black and accuses anyone who disagrees with her of being racist.
Nah, then they'd really have no story. 😂😂😂 Their whole story is being a lesbian and/or just a woman. Like I don't think REY from Star Wars is well written character, but at least the dialogue isn't like "I am a female Luke Skywalker" every five seconds. This show is waaaaay more "Let's write Batman...as a woman.... who's also a lesbian. And make a big deal about it" They didn't write Kate Kane as Kate. Supergirl was skimming a bit off Superman's classic setups for TV series (like I get so many Lois and Clark vibes from Supergirl), but she was enough not Superman and herself to kick off an interesting series with it's own identity.
To anyone who see's a problem with you comment I would also just like to add if arrow or the flash constantly had Oliver or Barry talk constantly about how they're straight every couple of minutes so that you don't forget they like girls... like yes we get it what other characteristics do you have or is that it??? It would be very bland and boring as this show is for sure
@@goonietunes5962 Funny enough Arrow turned into a hot garbage when the story of the show was about Olicity that Arrow himself. Same thing with "we are the Flash". The only thing CW can do is turn good ideas into a bile of garbage.
I have to disagree with the personality similarities with Kate and Bruce. Awhile Batman is stoic, Kate is....emotionless. Batman had his fair share of emotional depth, he has a heart, showing true compassion towards his enemies and others if they deserve it and he was very logical and analytical. He has a keen sense of justice and would never do anything Kate does in the show.
Kate is arrogant to the point of narcissism. She's selfish, sociopathic, displays no remorse for her actions, (Like when she murders Batman and had no remorse at all, but when she murders Cartwright, she suddenly has trauma.) She only does things to validate herself, treats those around her like dirt, and never takes accountability for her actions. Kate never develops into a well-rounded character. Kate is a Mary Sue that the writers refused to flesh out and mature.
Yeah but Kate is a _lesbian_ so she's *clearly* not a Mary Sue!
I agree. Batman is deadpan but when handled well you can get the emotions behind him. Just watch the animated series, he has plenty of emotional scenes.
Bruce is stoic for a big reason. He watched his parents get murdered. We understand his brokenness but HE is selfless. He is SELFLESS. Driven. This Kate Kane...nah not even close
Counterpoint, Bruce has been written to be just like how you described Kate - selfish, sociopathic, displaying no remorse for her actions. Just read Countdown to Infinite Crisis and you’ll see what I mean. Batman’s an ass. His assholeness is what leads to Ted Kord dying. His assholeness is what leads to the OMAC project, and I don’t see him openly grieving for the lives lost in which he’s directly responsible for.
What about King’s Batman? That simpy ass depression-filled moody unstable father is just.... man Bruce needs to stop.
@@Junya01 And Injustice's Superman is an authoritarian tyrant who keeps the world under his thumb using his superpowers. That doesn't mean that Superman is meant to be portrayed like that. When it comes to comic books, interpretations of a character vary from writer to writer. Yes, Batman is portrayed as a sociopathic, broken man who has a hero complex a mile long in some comics, but the number of those interpretations pale in comparison to those who show that Batman is ultimately a good person at heart while fighting a never-ending wave of crime all so nobody will suffer the same fate and trauma that he and his family went through.
I’d have loved to see Yvonne strahovski play Batwoman in live action. Loved her on Chuck and she had the voice spot on in the Batman bad blood film
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I was one of those anti-Batman Beyond fucks for literally 20 years before finally giving in and now I’m so furious with myself lol, Terry is the shit.
About DCAU Batman. For all of his stoicism and very calm line deliveries, he still has moments where he shows a confident, snarky personality. Case in point, “Mine are bigger than yours!”
Kevin Conroy is great as Batman. Other great moments are Batman sarcastically telling Bullock that a button is the ejector seat and in the Arkham Games he says that during an interrogation “I just wiped the blood off my face from the last informant”
The problem with the writers at the CW and the failure of this show stems from the fact that they keep trying to push a political agenda. If they want to get it right, then just follow the comics; put your ideological agendas aside, and just tell a good story... Not that hard to do...
Yea, it's not like CW lacks strong female characters. And I find it so ironic that they stepped on the popularity of Batman to build Batwoman as a strong, independent woman. It's as if even they themselves don't have enough faith that Batwoman would succeed without Batman. And it's so disappointing for them to butcher two popular characters with one show.
Word!
Except....they did. She's a gay woman in the comics.
They should've kept batwoman to the comic's & they didn't do that with the series if I'm honest 😑😕
@@donaldmoxham2659 A gay woman that was kicked out of the military because of Don't Ask Don't Tell...
if the live action TV and movies would just read the comics and just go with the cannon of characters the whole DC universe could be up to par with marvel, most of the DC live actions i see are just a string of 1 or 2 movies and that's it, nothing more, even the shows don't really correspond, sure you have the same characters but they always feel different and usually end up being re-built, personally I don't enjoy that, I would love to see live action movie or TV series where you have the whole bat-family being built up and played in Gotham, same goes with the rest of the DC universe, and once these characters are built up, you can make continuous series off of them based off the cannon and bam, you would have a whole universe of characters and stories you could build upon just like Marvel, idk why after all these years they keep failing at this, seems like their just repeating their mistakes hoping one day it'll work
i've watched a bunch of your vids and you havent covered legends of tommorow, I would love to see your take on them as well as the new 52 animated movies, justice league dark apocalypse war, all that good stuff, keep up the good work, I was iffy about batwomen too from her entitlement to the mantle, her costume was nice tho :3
I liked the DC animated version from Bad Blood better. She actually ended up working with the Bats and wasn't constantly reminding us of her sexual orientation. Yeah, there's one scene where it's pointed out, but it's not the main focus of the movie. Instead, the main focus is finding out who BW is. (Obviously it's Katie, one of Nightwing's friends). But the thing that makes BB better is Batman downright tells her just because she wears his symbol, it doesn't mean she's actually one of the Bats.
I don't remember the movie that well, but I remember it focusing more on Thalia Al Ghul and her machinations.
Who cares if she's bisexual
Just make a show that's good.
She's a lesbian
Neil Patrick Harris played the straightest poonhound on television
The Batwoman showrunners need to sit on a beehive.
@T Mitch i thought he was referring to the show not the actress
Her being bi doesn't effect her acting so I don't get it. I frankly find the sub section of the community that shit on bisexuals baffling. I've read some nasty shit directed at them.
The show actually was good, after starting off rough.
I really loved Ruby Rose in JOHN WICK! Hoping she returns in part IV!
It's ironic that her best role is one where she doesnt speak
Batwoman is my favorite comic character (although Hellboy's a close second) and is such an interesting superhero who has a lot of depth, inner demons and struggles. She's so underrated and is one of the best queer reps in comics at the moment, and it's so sad that this show was and is most people's first exposure to her. It's so cringy and poorly written (Seriously, how did any of this make it past a rough draft) that I can't even blame people for thinking she sucks when this is what they have to work with. I'm so glad that the show got canceled, even though it should've been dropped after season 1.
Because they want to push her sexuality and Boss chics sooo bad so they rushed it past the rough draft
fun fact: when you google Batwoman, 3 women pop up.
none of those 3 are Ruby Rose.
Don't know what showed up 6 months ago for you, but its not the case anymore.
@@cyberkk3725 really? imma check
Barbara Gordan, Stephanie Brown, and Cassandra Cain.
@@mathlete855 did you search bat girl or batwoman becuase they are 2 different things and all the characters listed here are not batwomen they are batgilrs so they shouldnt show up searching batwoman
Buffy had super-human abilities, due to being a slayer. That's why people could buy into it.
Did not know this
@@valysheev When a Slayer is chosen by the powers that be, they're gifted with speed/strength/resilience to deal with supernatural creatures. They're not bulletproof or anything, but still way stronger than any normal human.
@@everforward5561 even then they still had to train and learn.
Tsumi Shin It’s kind of impossible to miss in any of the episodes... They reference it a lot.
soilder zero And had a generally small life span. Buffy included, she was just not as lonely as most others were, so her friends were there to help her out of situations.
6:30 "He will go to the grave as Batman"
RIP Kevin, we still miss you
12:50 I went into this video agreeing with you, now I am subscribing lol
“When it fits a woman”
*cringe*
@Rick Gross Ruby Rose is one of the hottest women out there lmao wtf are you talking about
@@ToastFGC how she clapped punk ass
@@ToastFGC good joke
@@Too_Flashy gay lol you like guys
@@ToastFGC grow up
I thought she was an incredibly believable threat in John Wick. She had excellent form when fighting and was a very convincing psychopath.
This was just a crap role.
She is a good actress and looks like a legitimate fighter. The show was garbage.
She looks like a little boy
A threat in John wick? , a mute little boy, Is threatening?
Lol 🤣 😂 ya ok
She looks like a strong gust of wind will knock her over. I didn't find her threatening at all in John Wick. But you are right about this show being garbage.
She didn't look threatening but I like her better in John Wick than in this show
Just want to say, it was definitely over year since the beginning of the season. In between episode 1 and episode 8, the last crossover which introduced Batwoman to the Arrowverse had already happened and she was probably already Batwoman for a little while and then the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths happened literally 1 day after the events of episode 8. And the last crossover took place 1 year before the Crisis on Infinite Earths in the Arrowverse canon.
6:34 “he will go to the grave as batman” well your 100% life
Ruby Rose's injury sounds like it could have gotten as bad as Christopher Reeve's horse-related accident injury.
Nobody deserves that kind of life, paralyzed for years. I'm not a Batwoman fan, but out of pure decency... I'm happy the injury she sustained didn't go as far as it could have.
Agreed. I’m not at all a fan of the show. I’d rant about how awful it is for hours. But it’s hard to hear her talk about her injury and how close she was to a very difficult situation and life. She really does deserve a break and I’m willing to cut her some slack. It’s a stupid show not with her life. Sometimes I think I can forget how human these actors are🤔😕
Or she was lying.@@lellan1288
@@anthonyburke4587 so you want her to be paraplegic just to prove a point?
@@itsjustvin7630 yup
Christopher Reeves was a racist man that beat his wife.
The reason Bruce's stoicism and at times snide demeanor works as Batman because he as Bruce is a character that has a sympathetic cause. We know what drives him. Bruce sacrifices his daily life and peace in order to help save innocent lives. He risks his life and body to save others and literally asks nothing in return. Bruce is snide to people who are either against him or aren't making sense/wasting time depending on the situation. But he has shown compassion at times even to people outside his circle of friends. Need I remind you the episode of JLA with Ace of Clubs???
Kate isn't even close to that person. Kate constantly needs to emotionally validate herself (like supergirl) and always puts innocent lives at risk.
-> In the episode that introduced Hush, there are people that are trapped in the lift but instead of trying to get them out she rushes back to the batcave and PAINTS over it to make a point to distinguish herself from Batman.
-> She lets the lesbian hacker chick go with mere community service for attempted murder of a train full of people (which on an average equal to 300-400 people) simply because she was gay.
-> She complains about the GCPD being bigots and not shining the bat signal to call for her help (because of course they are fuck you CW) instead of going to help anyways ASAP (batman didn't NEED the bat signal, he would go on nightly patrol and crime fight every night, the signal was more for Commissioner Gordon whenever he wanted to talk to batman and to incite fear among the criminals).
-> She would rather sleep with her ex than take the journal that Lucius Fox literally died to protect to safety ASAP.
-> Do I even need to mention Alice??? The murderous psychopath that Kate keeps letting go simply because she is her long lost sister. The situation with Batman and Joker is far far different as killing someone is a much bigger moral conundrum than capturing a murderer (even though I disagree with Batman on that regard, he at least tries to minimize civilian casualties).
Kate is needlessly antagonistic towards people who have either done nothing wrong (she literally infiltrated Wayne Manor and assaulted Luke and is almost always chiding him or downplaying him) or are trying to help her (remember the scene with the Atom where she rudely told him off even though he was wanting to actively help her?? the show plays it off as a joke and Kate then accepts the upgrade anyways and thus wasting more time).
The show didn't intend for her to come off as this way but she always comes off as unbelievably smug and self righteous and even incredibly vain at times like when she came swooping for the crowd that was chanting for her in the bigoted GCPD episode, or when she grew upset at people shipping her (a lesbian)with a male cop and came out as lesbian batwoman despite the fact that it was just harmless shipping and actively narrowed down the potential suspects of her true identity and had the gall to pose for fully lit photo for a public image.
THIS is why Kate's stoicism and snide attitude just does NOT work whereas Bruce's did.
Preach
I agree except the whole Alice part that's the shows only saving grace in complex.
Oh Bruce parents are murder boo hoo. But she looses her mother and sister and no one cares. No wonder she let her anger out.
@@olgairissostrecruz1498 Because she isn't driven by their deaths, Batman became Batman because his parents died and he wanted no one to go through what he went through, Kate isn't motivated by that, she dons the cape and cowl because her Ex was in trouble and decided to just fight crime because she already had the suit.
In short, Batman had better screenwriters.
“Kevin will be playing Batman to the grave”
Yeah, you’re right 😔
"He will go to the graves as batman"
R.I.P Kevin Conroy
Ripley, one of the most iconic female leads in entertainment, is a regular woman who evolves through adversity into becoming the biggest badass in the franchise, there is a clear progression to it and Ripley's place is firmly cemented as that badass for how she rose above her supposed superiors in a natural way. Sarah Connor, watch the growth through Terminator from terrified waitress to destroying a T-101 that makes her believable in Terminator 2 where she is crucial in destroying the T-1000, she is the woman you want on your side during the AI uprising. When you write a woman to grow into a badass, they are superior in every way to those written to be a badass from the start.
2 excellent examples I bring up when someone says "you hate it because it has a strong woman" in regards to the forced BS characters they make these days.
I’m sure you know but Ripley was originally written for, and intended to be played by a male actor. Writers REALLY need to take George RR Martin’s advice and consider women to be people. (Woman/gay characters/ ETC, ETC)
Xena, Buffy, Wonder Woman, Jamie Sommers (the 6 million dollar woman), Cagney and Lacy, Jessica Fletcher (Murder She Wrote), Samantha Stevens (Bewitched) were "strong" and smart lead characters in shows that lasted several seasons.
for more recent examples you have furiosa from fury road and even selene from the underworld franchise and alita battle angel
Even though it went on into the 2010's the early 2000's, while admist the time of buffy the vampire slayer, ALSO had two film franchises-underworld and resident evil. Selene trained for many years and chose her path over a belief that mind you, was false, but she was better than most b4 any extra plotlines occur (getting immortal blood in the sequel). After that she still looses and has struggles. She is a strong female character with a story, history, reasoning, and tragic as well.
Same goes for Alice from Resident Evil. This person wanted to expose umbrella, and yes we have a jump from being "experimented on" to "superhero like powers" but she literally looses them and she is still super badass. She was trained and meant to guard a secret entrance. She knew how to use many weapons. Even with a part of her past being a mystery, she is efficient but still makes mistakes. Overestimates herself, is betrayed, etc.
This post is just another generation of strong female character written properly.
The “not gay enough” stuff and linking it to the scene where Carlton is told he’s not black enough... ok that was smooth.
"He will go to the grave as Batman"...
...this comment has aged like fine wine.
Difference between Batwoman and Buffy. Buffy literally has super strength since she was a chosen one infused with it to fight vampires, Batwoman doesn't have any strength so would get her ass kicked by stronger people.
It would have been funny and kind of messed up if the first time she goes to fight crime she just gets shot in the face and then the credits roll. 😭😭😂
Luscious Fox Jr. Or whatever: The suit is perfect.
Kate: It will be... when it fits a woman.
BLAM!!!!!
BLAM! BLAM!! BLAM!!!
Luscious Jr. : I'm afraid I can't let you DO that Kate...
Credits Roll:
The End
*Side note CW IMMEDIATELY cancels the show after that and denies its very EXISTENCE at the next Comic Panel in Sandiago Comic Con.( or any others, I just wanted the MOST popular.)🤣🤣🤣😂🙂
Wouldve been a funny april fools joke
5:56 Bruce has years of training in martial arts and is the world’s greatest detective along with being a good escape artist and yet she thinks she could be better god I hate the writing
Well she had training at West Point so it is not a completely empty boast
@Kryptoskillet Well none of the Batfamily can say they are better than Bruce except Cassandra Cain.
@Kryptoskillet nope
Bruce has YEARS of training and experience under his literal belt. What does she have?
I hate this lazy “”girl power”” trope nowadays where instead of making, you know, a character you can root for, they either make a lady so boring and generic you forget her or so incredibly annoying and egotistical you despise her.
Honestly my initial thought when hearing about this series is that they were starting about this series is they were working in the wrong order. They were making a show about Kate when we still haven't had a series about Barbara Gordon or Cassandra Cain or even Stephanie Brown. That's like making a Robin show and starting off with Damian without having Dick or Jason or Tim. Never actually saw the show since the trailer didn't convince me but even so it was kinda jarring.
It'd funny how you showed nightwing from titans, because, he never explicitly says he's better than batman, but actually works towards being better than him. And is still doing it.
The issue with CW DC shows can be summed up with a few words is 'family, love, friendship, hope, perseverance' with nothing else, but that. There's no nuance anymore. Season 7 of flash, was absolutely trash. I would no longer watching CW shows till they fix their acts, instead of defeating villains WITH FUCKING LOVE!
So...I'm a lesbian and a liberal. You would think that this show entirely would be my cup of coffee. But I love Batman and one of the first ads I saw elevated batwoman at his expense. It's not necessary and it's cheap. You don't need to demonize one thing to make another thing worthy. This theme continued with the entire first ep. Also, there's a difference between actually caring about diversity i.e., actually trying to let the audience walk in someone else's shoes and making it a mainstay as opposed to "see, we added this uberwoke dialogue a few times, hurrah for us!"
I didn't watch it; I saw the... trailers for it (is it a "trailer" for a tv show? Commercials? Ads?).
So I don't know if it was in the final product, but I know the part where she dropped down, the thugs thought she was Batman, and she's like, "Just like a man, trying to take credit for a woman's work."
Like, bitch, that's what you're doing!
The suit needs to be "fixed"? Uh. Just say "altered".
It feels like it was written by a group of male writers who watch a lot of Fox News and think they know what "liberal SJW cucks" want and they're trying to pander to that audience. It's embarrassing.
Expertly put. Bravo.
In the words of Batman himself, "help me find the others like you."
@Zdiddy7 Shut up.
Consider picking up her Rebirth comics, her character is gold in them.
“Either be Jason Todd or don’t” took me out 💀💀💀
That was hilarious😂😂
@@milesmorales6305 hey miles, who's your favorite Spider-Man (besides you obviously)
SpongeBob SquarePants I don’t wanna pick favorites (but for the record it’s Gwen but don’t tell her I said that🤫)
@@Marvelfanatic3658 spectacular spiderman for the win
HEY YOO that's the only thing I ever said about batwoman was that Ruby Rose was a great choice to play Kate!
Thanks for showing some love to the birds of prey tv series. I was very little when it came out and i've never found it online later. Still looking. Also, I love Kate Kane. The first story I read of her was the Alice arc. It felt like a fever dream, a hallucination of a comic. I knew I wasn't going to get that from CW in a million years, but this? Shitty CW.
“Either be Jason Todd or get outta here!”
Me:So....dead and murdered by the fans?
Yep
Well he came back tho and became redhood
Technically if im correct one guy kept voting for Jason to die
Wasn't voting to kill him free and voting to save him costed money if I remember correctly
He said beat not be.
CW just has the worst writers, that's why all these shows kinda suck
I like Legends of Tomorrow because it's a goofy band that tends to fail upwards. The other shows seem to have bad soap opera writing and acting with a bunch of CGI filled in for dressing.
It’s so sad too
The original material is so good, I love DC Comics, but when I see what they're doing with the shows... Yuk
indeed,flash may be a better CW show but making Iris and Barry step siblings and making them fall in love,get married and have a child? that's kinda messed up and saying that incest is ok.
Cynical Ducky its not really incest cause they are not actually blood siblings they were only siblings through a marriage but it still feels wrong having them get into a after being treated as siblings for so long
6:30 oh that comment did not age well....
RIP Kevin Conroy
The Dark Knight, But the light of gotham
“He will go to the grave as Batman”
Rest in piece Kevin Conroy
I'm lesbian myself and kinda got annoyed by this being a mayor plot point close to every episode. Kinda like: yeah, I know, she's lesbian, fuck off. Most of these "lesbians are bad" plot points are even totally exaggerated and just feel unreal. Yeah, some people despise us, but not that many. Heck, most guys even ask for 3somes instead of blaming or hating on me and believe me, I'm not even close to being a beauty pageant. Yeah some parents may dislike hat, even my parents kinda disliked that there won't be any grandchildren, but that's it. And well due to my girlfriends in the past I got to meet a lot of parents of lesbians. Society just ignores us, some macho guys try to "cure" us of being lesbian, but that's it.
3some? gross :D
👍
Great point, I hate when they make their sexuality the MAIN issue of the story. Like ok you're a lebian, you don't have to keep bringing it up every 5 seconds.
@roger Inhard right ✅
@roger Inhard if you are a guy you are most likely not lesbian
Damn, feel bad for the actress. This show wasn't worth receiving an injury like that.
Yep she should have Insta quit.
True. Not a fan of the show but listening to her talk about something that scary, I think she definitely deserves a break.
Yup. He went to the grave being Batman. RIP, Kevin, you absolute LEGEND.
I kept waiting for Batwoman to take out her comb,and sing,”🎶🎵Seventy Seven ,Sunset Strip!🎶🎵Snap🤌Snap🤌!
“Buffy was thin too”
Yeah but Buffy also had super strength, so her knocking around a bunch of guys bigger than her was believable.
Yeah she had super powers. This horrible batwoman is a joke.
Um, no, it was never believable. Anyone with super strength would at least look a little better than Buffy. Not believable at all (not to me anyway)
Tos that doesn’t even make sense. Buffy’s powers were supernatural so there’s no reason they need to affect her physical appearance.
Yeah whoever made this video isn’t very smart.
Tos that’s the point it’s the fact that she could look like a schoolgirl and then eventually a young woman but not look jacked, Sarah Michelle Gellar definitely trained and worked out for the show but never went too far and that was intentional from a character point of view, the fact that she could be feminine and girly but also kick a demons ass and be beaten up just as much
The lgbt community SHOULD be full of love, but it is not, and it’s a huge problem. The truth is, a lot of people in the community have a certain superiority over everyone else. It’s kinda like “I’m more of a minority than you so my opinion holds more weight.” Plus you have the mothers of trans kids that start fights on the internet on their behalf. Just as a gay guy that spends all of my time just trying to love and accept everyone regardless of who they are, some portions of the community I’m in isn’t great at it.
Victimhood is prevalent in most liberal communities because if you're more of a minority or more damaged you get coddled and picked up by everyone else
Sadly, that's true of most communities because, well, they're made up of people.
I agree with this. As a gay woman I see it often and am kind of bashed by the gay community for 'not being vocal enough about my orientation' I'm like WTF? The LGBT community says they want to be treated just like everyone else but a big chunk of them want to be lauded and given special treatment or the freedom to bash others? I say 'they' because I fit in the part of the community that actually does want to be treated no differently than anyone else. Good or bad treatment.
As a gay male this is precisely why I highly dislike the lgbtq community. Its gotten to the point to where its pandering to extremist which ends up making the rest of us look bad, further pushing the divide between true equality in thinking.
@roger Inhard this is sad but true. I've seen it countless times. That's why I refuse to take part in LGBT functions. Too much bigotry and hypocrisy there.
6:17 Foreshadowing. RIP Kevin Conroy
13:50 And you still haven’t mentioned to plot of the first season with the old fling and family soap opera parts of it. It takes up the whole show, leaving nothing to feel like the dark and bruiting protagonist fighting all the psychos of Gotham. No, just one psycho, and it’s Batwoman’s sister, not Alice Tatch with the virus, but Alice the f*ckin’ repetitive, boring evil sister. I’m surprised this was not mentioned yet.
Why are we kidding our selves calling him "Kevin"? He is "Batman"😂
Ha ha ha ha
We believed Buffy because we knew she had "magical powers".
Yup, she was a slayer - a being a slayer gave her super human strength and reflexes.
Thank you now I don't have to say it to someone who loves the series so much they have the box set... I haven't seen it n years and I remember that. Hell I even remember the episode that shows up how they made the Slayer line
And she trained like hell, it wasn't just power, it was will, mind and heart.
She was created with magic, but her powers were actually demonic.
@@NawiTheCore Not that relevant with your akshully. :) The point is, super natural strength and training make literally more sense than "Ohh fancy suit and military school."
Dude, Buffy is THE SLAYER. She's not an ordinary girl. She is as supernatural as the monsters she fights. On top of which, she has a mentor/trainer and she works very hard to get better and learn. She has gifts and inborn talent but she still struggles and does her level best to improve herself. Sarah Michelle Gellar is a really GOOD actress though which makes all the difference.
5:19 does anyone know where this is from? Or is it just fanmade?
It was a short clip for the Batman Beyond Anniversary; official UA-cam video is called: "Batman Beyond" Darwyn Cook's Batman 75th Anniversary Short (Official)
Charmed was Great! 😭
But yeah dude, media is blind to the fact that many men actually like many female led series.
@ThatBadGuy remember when they said black panther is the first black superhero led movie? Remember Blade anyone?
@God Almighty said no one ever
@White-Van Helsing blade is mcu i think... be right back
@8:03
"why would you build her up off of the grave of bruce wayne.. as a matter of fact, you might as well just started the batwomen series off with this line:"
* gotham knights ad starts *
bruce: "if you're seeing this.. it means i'm dead"
that was such a happy coincidence, so smooth
At least with Gotham Knights, we don't see them tear down Bruce.
WOW
XD
@@isplat927 And atleast Dick and Damian got a spotlight.
@@themandals7273 Robin is Tim Drake, not Damian.
My problem with batwoman is that batgirl has such a big role in the comics but we barely see her. Batgirl gets cut off all the time. Her storyline its so much more interesting and that's why i think that if they would've gave us a batgirl series would've been 100x better