Battle Of The *Sig* (357 sig Shoot Out) Ballistic Gel Test
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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Glock 33 357 sig 3.42"
Glock 32 357 sig 4"
Glock 31 357 sig 4.5"
Gold dot 125gr 357 sig
Ammo Test
Velocity Test
Ballistic Gel Test
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Awesome video, that's why 357sig is my favorite auto loader round. You're 1 of few that still uses 357sig 👍👍
Great review, I''ll never understand why this caliber isnt more popular. Far superior to other calibers.
Thank you buddy I appreciate that!! I absolutely agree, very underrated. I appreciate u checkin it out!!
Cost is a factor
@@michaelwilliams2603life cost more
@@michaelwilliams2603if it was more available cost would go down.
Nice comparison! I have a G32 in my rotation and alternate between .357Sig and .40SW. Mostly carry it in the winter.
Loving your 3 cam set up, cuz.
Thanks bro!! It's a whole lot more to edit, but been fun.
I love this channel. I’ve added comments before and these are respectfully meant from my experience with this round and 10mm. 10mm and 357 Sig hot load info
For those of you mad scientists who reload and want to make 10mm and 357 Sig great again…..
Fwiw I found on some forums (YMMV) 2 loads which, in THIS gun (10mm G40 Klone 6.61” LWD threaded (and LWD 40cal 3-vertical-port comp) compensated barrel + 22# RSA in a 6” longslide) “are supposed to” do 1400fps with Hornady 180gn XTPs. CCI LPP’s, Starline brass, heavy Lee FCD crimp, and coal is 1.260”.
ETS 15-rd magazines used.
Hodgdon powders used were:
9.7gns Longshot
And
17gns Lil Gun.
NOTE: these are over max published loads and flattened primers, but they ran in MY gun AS CONFIGURED. They ejected 6-10’ away. They were accurate enough at conversational distances. I’ve shot them and they are confy to shoot IN MY GUN AS CONFIGURED. The compensator makes a huge difference! I dont have a chronograph so I am estimating the velocities based on what forum shooters reported from their guns. Point being….to me it was worth it to try carefully building up these loads. Shot at approx 5,000’ elevation.
Likewise in 357 Sig I use the Speer GDHP with Hodgdon Longshot 9.5gn, federal small pistol primers, asst brass, the Speer GDHP 125gn JHP coal is 1.140” COAL, shot the load in 5.85” G35 compensated (LWD ultra jillion port comp) conversion barrel is 1643fps as per what other forum shooters got, as I have no chronograph these are estimates but were safe in my gun. Load also safe in G23 with a G32 357Sig threaded and compensated (LWD 40comp as above on the 10mm) barrel as were the above 10mm and 357 Sig longslide) 4-1/2” barrel, 22# Wolff RSA and unknown velocities.
YMMV!
Glock 32! Nice!
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I like your formula
Thank you I appreciate u checkin it out!!
Nice video as always!!!
Thank you sir I appreciate it!!
Nice Gaggle of Glocks!
Thank you😄
Out of 5 and 6 inch barrels the 357 Sig produces velocities well into the 1600s, so just pick the barrel needed. These aftermarket barrels fit nicely in a G31.
I have a G24 and bought a 6” nitrided 357 Sig barrel from KKM a few years ago. Haven’t put any rounds through either yet, but I will someday. Ordered a Sig barrel for my G23 the other day.
I really think that most gunners downplay the ballistics of the .357 sig/magnum round. This stuff is lethal. One & done!
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Absolutely
From these test results looks like the overall "best" performance came from the 4 inch 32....largest stretch cavity...and largest final expanded diameter....the 357sig was originally mated with the sig p229 357sig with a 3.9 inch or so barrel....looks like the 357sig gold dot was optimized for about a 4 inch barrel....🤔 G32 about as perfect of a ccw you can holster!!!
Thanks! My current carry is the G32 with Gold Dots. Fantastic!
Thank you sir!! As always I appreciate u checkin it out. Also great choice on carry😁👍
I'll 2nd that
Outstanding presentation, Az. I know that the 54234 isn't loaded as hot as some of the Underwood stuff but I think this loading and velocities hits the sweet spot for .357SIG. You get both a superb temporary and permanent wound track while also getting exceptional penetration. Excellent work, bromigo.
Thank bro I appreciate ya!! I absolutely agree. They always seem to perform pretty well with those numbers. I have a good supply of it also, so that won't be the last u see of it lol. Thanks again my friend, glad u enjoyed it. Plenty comin😁.
Thank you, thank you, thank you 🙏🏻, from an unabashed 357 Sig fan boy and Glock 32 EDC owner.
I luv these 357Sig tests ....
Thanks. I really appreciate all your time and efforts on this. It’s great to see the same round out of the three main Glocks. The old 125gr/357Mag had great street results back in the day. The 124gr/357Sig seems to share those results, with less recoil, more rounds per gun load, and less weight. For whatever reasons, velocity has an effect in real life, and the 357s demonstrate that. In a smaller, handier, frame size than the 10mm or 45ACP. Thanks again.
Great job once again! Can’t go wrong with the 357 sig . I prefer the G 32 for conceal carry not to small but not to big either.
Thank you!! I agree, it's a awesome platform. Perfect middle of the road. I will have a bunch of tests with it soon. Thanks again my friend!!
Younhave all my favorite Glocks
I’m pretty sure ballistically the 357 Sig was designed to shoot from a 4 inch barrel (G32)
Impressive results from all. I love this round.
My guess is the 357 Sig was designed for a service size G31 and when loaded with the Speer LE round # 54234 which is 25 fps faster it would get a velocity well within the 357 Magnum's range.
I read it was meant to match the ballistics of a 357 Mag from a 4" revolver.
And yet Glock made the 33 I'm sure.
Love it! I run this ammo in my Glock 31 gen 4 but I don't have a chronograph so never knew exactly how fast it was moving. I appreciate this video very much. Thanks!
In 2008 I went to buy my first pistol. I was dead set on 9 mm. The guy at the store showed me a pistol he personally owned and just so happened this pistol was being discontinued by the manufacturer. I ended up buying the 8357 Beretta Cougar in 357 sig. For a close out price of 395.00 dollars. I still use that gun for EDC. I admit its only eleven rounds but it uses .40/ 357 caliber mags and it will knock a bad person on their butt . No sig 357 should be sold unless it is made of steal to reduce recoil and increase accuracy. Glocks are okay in 357 sig at less than thirty feet but my Beretta is a small frame 1911 style all steal Widowmaker out to thirty yards plus
The Glock 32 is my EDC. I usually use Speer Gold Dot 125grain. Federal ammo a close second. Great video.
Great test, i love .357sig. Ive EDC .357sig for over 20 years. My duty gun was a G20 in 10mm, but off duty and EDC has always been 357sig. You absolutely cannot go wrong with gold dots, they perform excellent. My round of choice to EDC is underwood loaded gold dots. Just a little more velocity. Again, thanks very much for all the testing. I really enjoy watching them all. Wishing you and everyone a wonderful day.
I have 5 and 6 inch barrels for my G31. These barrels produce velocities near the 9X25 Dillon velocity with 124gr bullets and greater HP ammo velocities than the Dillon with 115gr UA.
@@kennethferguson4283 I have a G35 with a alpha wolf .357sig conversion barrel. It's a 5.3 inch and it sends the rounds screaming, I can only imagine what a 6 inch would do. Thanks for the response, you have a wonderful day.
Thank you sir!! Same here, one of my favs. That's why I do so much testing on it. There's not enough out there, so I try to flood the platform with it lol. Thanks again, I'm really glad u enjoy them. I have a blast making them. Plenty comin my friend, I appreciate ya!! You have a great day as well, take care!!
I carry the Underwood version as well. I EDC the 125 gr. GDHP in an H&K P2000. When I can't carry that comfortably or conceal it easily, I carry my P2000SK loaded with Underwood 115gr. HPs. I believe those are Nosler ASP bullets. When I have to go tiny, I use a Walther PPKS with Underwood 380 HPs.
@@Lexicologist1971I believe you are right, those are nosler asp. I think they perform excellent . Thanks for responding, wishing you a wonderful day.
Excellent job man!👍 I appreciate your presentation.
Thank you very much I appreciate that!! Was a fun one😁.
The .357 Sig is designed to equal the .357 magnum from a 4"barrel revolver BUT keep in mind that 4" in a revolver IS JUST THE BARREL LENGTH. A semi auto also includes the chamber so 4" in a semi is about equal to 3" in a revolver. A 5" semi auto barrel is about the same barrel length as a "4 revolver barrel.
These 357 Sig do not disappoint. Gold Dots don't either. Impressive all the way around. The only negatives I can consider in choosing the 357 Sig over the 9mm in comparable guns is slightly less capacity, slightly more recoil, much less ammo availability and considerably more expensive per round. All of which are manageable to a certain degree. Excellent test and very well executed. Those stills are so revealing. Many thanks. This is a very good protocol to use for comparison when possible.
Thank you sir!! Let me know if there's ever any test u wanna see. I'll try my best to make it happen!! Thank u again!! Always appreciate ur support💯
@@AzAirgunner. I am sure any 9mm comparison with this protocol/format would be well received and viewed.
If you have the 40s to get a similar test I would like to see any of the 165s or even 180s. Thank you for offering.
The glock 31 didn't get the benefit of being on the side of the block like the shorter barrels, so it had more surrounding pressure to keep it from expanding only the 32 and 33 had a fair comparison
G32 do you guys keep the factory guide rod or change it out to aftermarket materials
G32 finally !! Can you do some underwood test out of the G32
Yessir, I'll have some up soon.
Dang bro those are sweet sigs! Great test as usual!
Thanks bro!!
Have a G23, G35 and G40 all with a .357 SIG barrels...the longer barrels really rip... And thanks for all your testing.
I just purchased a LEO trade in G35 and a alpha wolf. 357sig conversion barrel. I'm consistently well over 1600 fps with that 5.3 inch barrel. The 6 inch barrel in the G40 will be stupid fast. Wishing you a wonderful day.
Very nice, I bet they're moving out of those longer barrels. Thank you, as always I appreciate u checkin em out!!
How much of a difference does the 31 and 32 feel as far as frame??
I'm really curious as to how the thicker heavier slide on the 5th gen glock 22 would do of they made it in a
.357sig! I know my 5th gen 22 has less felt 40cal recoil, than my 4th gen 22! I really like the 5th gen I've been carrying now
Great info.
Very well done! They all worked great.
Thank you sir!!
I love your videos but please stop dragging out your words your killing me
You're*
The 33 is a real wrist breaker, literally, had to sell it. In a 229 it’s manageable, heavier gun
Guess I got strong wrist !! I own a 33 it's not that bad.
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Well done as always Sir! Your vids/tests are providing the self defense community excellent demonstration and data to observe and gather. This a real service to folk. Great work my friend! Thank you.
Thank u very much, always appreciate ya!! I'm tryin lol. I really enjoy being out and making the videos, and if it helps, that's even a bigger plus. Thanks again my friend!! Are u still carrying .40 165gr GD?
@@AzAirgunner. I am. I am considering running some of the 357 Sig self defense ammo at range through conversion barrel. I might switch after first of the year when it is time to rotate ammo. My daughter is going to run 155 Gold Dot in her M&P Compact 3.6". She got a good deal on a couple boxes(50). We will test to confirm reliable expansion before she carries it. She carrying a Shield 45 now.
I have gold dots and a G31
Very nice, they go great together💪
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Great video, comparing the three barrel lengths.. Thank you for sharing..
Thank you sir I appreciate that!! Glad u enjoyed it. Plenty comin😁
Cool.
A lot of my comments are being deleted for unknown reasons. So I am going to say I use ammo from a supplier whose name starts with U which puts a bullet with a name starting with N in their ammo. I load these rounds into the small gun you tested for increased velocity.
Yeah its been ridiculous lately. Hey that's one way to get around it lol
@@kennethferguson4283 LOL fr though. Same here, had to keep writing out the same comments over and over, until I worded them right so they wouldn't be deleted. Crazy.
@@AzAirgunner. I am not sure why my posts were deleted but I am sure two can play this little game.
Great vid bro !
@@erasetv7102 Thank you!!
Thanks bro great comparison test. Performance definitely drops off with the short barrel. This test proves the 357SIG really shines with barrels 4" and longer. If you want to maintain shockwave energy thresholds use 115gr: G33 and 125gr: G31/32.
I will say the Gold Dots from the G33 usually come out at the velocity and measurements of what the G32 did in the video or very close to it.... ESPECIALLY with the Underwood loaded 357sigs! I think this was maybe the lowest velocity and wound measurements the G33 has ever produced on this channel.
@@nickadkins7765 imho 357S/125gr velocities start at 1450fps
HSTs in the previous test had no issues from the short barrel
@@bobjones-bt9bhHST's are an amazing round. I was a Deputy Sheriff for 27 years, we started carrying HST in the late 90's I think. They always performed amazing. You have a wonderful day.
@@bobjones-bt9bh No doubt HST's are top shelf. My comment is more about the efficacy of 357SIG at sub-optimal velocities that don't meet the criteria for hydrostatic shock which is the purpose the round was designed for. What's the point of all that powder if much of it ends up as muzzle blast in a short barrel?
Those ballistics gel blocks look like rifle rounds hit it! Impressive
Its all about barrel length for increased energy and bullet speed.
Out of a 4 1/2”-5” barrel, the .357 sig matches the venerable .357 magnum ballistics out of a 4”. For a while the secret service and other elite law enforcement groups were using it. I never understood why it didn’t take off more as a self defense round, especially when barrier penetration was involved. Real world defensive shooting reports with the .357 sig are impressive.
You have to think the 4 inch revolver barrel doesn't count the chamber either like it does in a semi auto
Speer Gold Dots are watered down, the bullet is a good design but they down loaded the ammunition. The old Remington Golden Sabers used to loaded with 125 gr bullet velocities between 1400 - 1450 fps from a Glock 32 (~4" barrel). BuffaloBore and CorBon still maintain near 1450 fps using a 125 gr bullet shot out of a 4" barrel. DoubleTap and Underwood use to, I don't know if they still do. BuffaloBore, DoubleTap, and Underwood load the 125gr 6 petal Gold Dot bullets as many smaller ammunition reloaders/manufacturers.
Unfortunately Underwood doesn't load them anymore 😢 you can watch the tests he's done with Underwood Gold Dots too! They are wiccckkeeddd. The Underwood loaded Nosler 357sig projectiles are devastating as well. Not so much a clean cut like the GD's, but more like a mini bomb went off upon impact 😂
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Summa Summarum 1362 feet/ second is best for energy transfer with that particular caliber/ weight combination. Theoretically a 147 grain Federal HST would have little better energy transfer in 357 SIG especially in longer barrels but 147s are build for subsonic speed. Theoretically.... 1400 feet/ second seems to be the max for conventional bullet design because the petals would bend too much and decrease the energy transfer. What we learn from this? A cheap old G22 or even the compact Glock 23 with modern copper buffalo bore ammo will outperform that expensive 357 SIG ammo any day. A custom G27 with longer barrel would even be the most effective CCW ever tested with that 125 or 140 grains copper Buffalo Bore ammo. Energy transfer is the key point.
no it won't
there isn't any evidence of this and BB ammo isn't cheap either
@@bobjones-bt9bh Search yourself. UA-cam is free.
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On the Buffalo Bore website the solid copper hollow points in .357sig and .40 S&W are both loaded to 1425 fps and 565 foot pounds of energy with a 125gr bullet. The .40 also is loaded with a 140gr bullet at 1300 fps and 525 foot pounds of energy. And they are all about the same price. I'm sure all would perform great, just what caliber you carry or prefer.
Nice!
Thank you!!
prefer the HST to the GD...HSTs you've shot have been hot
They really have been. Maybe I'll do a re-test with HST's. Should be a fun one. Thanks as always!!
Sweet test, thanks! Any chance you can get your hands on the copper 115gr from Doubletap? I’m curious how those would perform out of the 33. Possibly reduced recoil with similar penetration? They also have a 180gr that looks interesting for a bear/woods load.
I just purchased a couple of boxes of the Double Tap 115gr solid copper hollow points. Haven't been able to make it to the range yet. But everything I have seen the solid copper hollow points really perform great. I'm thinking it will have amazing expansion, but a little less depth due to the massive amount of energy. I'm sure it will be a awesome self defense round. You have a wonderful day.
Thank you!! I will make sure to grab some next time I put in a order. I've had a few requests for it. Should be a fun test. Thanks again!!