That is why I carry a Smith & Wesson .357 sig. But I do have to say I love my 1911's also. Deer hunt with a 6 inch 10mm, and have 17 different 1911s. Great content and look forward to all your videos. Keep it up.
Any chance you could put a bullet catcher of some sort behind the blocks? Just some wadded up old blankets or clothing would do, I'd really like to see the bullets after passing through.
I currently own 2 after market .357sig stainless barrels for my M&P 2.0, Glock 22 gen 4(used). The ballistics of the .357 is impressive ✅️. The -s are muzzle blast, noise. 💥 .357sig pistols were issued for years by many state agency & federal LE. I've owned 10mm guns in the past & might get a 10mm barrel for my big Glock 41 .45acp model. Glock Store.
The .357 sig is a great round that a lot of people sleep on I can see this round making a comeback, it’s a pissed off 9mm that should not be ignored!!!
A 9mm is made for 90 pound girls that can't handle the recoil but it is a nice starter gun for kids to learn with. Myself like the 357 mag Ruger six shooter revolver because it shoots straighter, holds a bigger powder load for that extra knock down and if you know how to do it empties fast then semi autos. The six shooter is slower to load but in home and personal defense if you know how to shoot one shot should do the trick.
@@Sue_Me_Too Quit being a fan boy and get what comes in that caliber. There are many fine brands out there and who knows, you my like it better. I'm a Ruger fan boy but I do have a way over priced Colt I got in a trade so I can say I have a gun with the little pony on the handle six shooters are expected to own but I use a Ruger because Colts won't hold up for fast draw.
@@Sue_Me_Too I hear you good man. I'm getting in the same shape with the way things are going because of that ding dong we have in the white house that can't even find his way off the stage. I wish you the best of luck and God bless fellow gun owner.
The problem I see with .357 sig is that the ammo is so darn expensive and hard to find, it's cheaper and easier to find 5.7x28 ammo than .357 sig. ammo. And believe me, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a handgun chambered for .357 sig if the ammo was more readily available.
@@DavidLLambertmobile can’t beat hst performance. That’s what I have for my other carry options. Did a lot of research and saw that the golden sabers were pretty comparable to the hst in how they perform and got really good reviews. Saw a really good deal on the bonded golden sabers that I couldn’t pass on. They are accurate and cycle flawlessly through my pistol.
@freedj27 1 online source had both 125gr Speer Gold Dot .357sig & Federal HST 50rd boxes 📦 around the same price. 1 minor - with factory Federal HST is the cosmetic appearance of the .357sig loads but that's minor. I'd buy either Speer Gold Dot or HST. The Bonded GS .357sig rounds are + too. Remington to their credit has vastly improved the QC in 2021/2022/2023.
I converted an FNS 40 to 357Sig with just a barrel swap. It shoots almost as soft as 9mm. I load it with Speer Gold Dot 125gr. It's an amazingly effective round. Maybe the best defensive round against 2 legged predators. It really is too bad it doesn't get more attention, especially with law enforcement. I think some highway patrols and maybe some US Marshall's carry it. This is the round that took down the Texas church shotgun shooter at long distance with one shot. Of course the guy that pulled the trigger had something to do with that.
A hit with a .22 beats a miss with a .44 mag., in my humble opinion. I used to carry a lightweight S&W in .357 mag. for back up. First 3 were Winchester Silver tip 147 gr. and the rest were Federal Hydra Shok heavy recoiling. This was per Maasad Ayoob testing in Combat Handgun magazine years ago. The 147's had a lot less recoil and flash in low light, ( while still .357 mag velocity over .38+p). He tested his loading hunting deer if I remember correctly. It worked well for me. First 3 I could put on target great with quicker follow up shots. If those didn't do it the next ones were barn burners that would wrench your wrist, ( for on top of you scenarios). Again years ago and for backup. For duty it was 9 or 45. Both with Speer Gold Dot.That department allowed your choice of carry and ammo at that time.
@@kentuckywindage222 I have a Ruger P89 9mm for home and a 3" Python for carry. I am not a big fan of a bunch of plastic in my handguns. I had paper roll pop guns as a kid in the 70's that were all metal. I grew up. Now all my real handguns are metal too. I use PMC 124gr Starfire JHP for the 9mm and Underwood 357 Mag 140gr. Xtreme Penetrator for the Python.
@@ottomatix3397 While that maybe true, back in the day New York, again if I remember correctly, had their officer's carry 9mm full metal jackets. The incidents that happened were used for training. A perp with a knife, (of small stature mentioned) shot several times, still managed to cut up and officer. Still fighting being loaded into an ambulance. Another shot in the teens of times managed to run across a freeway before collapsing. I've saw .22 long rifle deter a would be robber and about a mile later at a stop light fall out of his vehicle on to the pavement. 5' 8" 170 lbs male survived. I survived a shotgun blast at close range. That was in 93. Lot of damage, shrapnel, half liver lost with 5 pellet in what I have, right kidney, some intestine, half the muscle in my right back, 7 section of rib, hole cantaloupe size in back, hole in abdominal wall as well, right lower lob of lung, shards of bone and lead up and down my spine in that area etc. 2 years later I went back to work in a small town as a city officer. It wasn't long until my body wouldn't allow me and retired 100% disabled. Lot's of health problems. Stopped me in my tracks. With pistols and the right ammo stopping a human is still not like in the movie's or so it would seem from my perspective and humble knowledge. On the other hand a long gun is for offense and a shotgun within it's given range......imagine being hit full swing with a sledgehammer and a torch and hornets nest inside you. In the 70's a friend of mine in KSP said .357 mag with Remington 125 gr Semi jacketed hollow points in the K5 zone had a one shot stop rate. This was my Chief whom I trusted my life in situations.
All three rounds are sufficiently lethal, but the Sig makes them stop what they are doing that is dangerous to you faster. Look at police shootings. Notice how many suspects have to be riddled to effect a stop.
Good video. Not only is the .357 Sig an outstanding performer power wise, in my opinion, the perceived recoil is significantly less than the .45 acp and only a little bit more snappy than the 9mm.
I carry a 9mm because that's the round that gets me the most bangs for my buck when I am practicing at the range. However if all three rounds were the same price, I would get a 357 Sig because of the performance on target.
I was expecting the 45 ACP and the 357 Sig to be pretty much of a push. I wasn't expecting so much wound damage from the smaller round. It must be the higher velocity of the 357 Sig that allowed it to transfer more energy. Thanks for the neat comparison.
The entire concept around the .357Sig was to get the velocity of a 357Mag out of a semiautomatic. The Secret Service carries the .357Sig as standard. They ain't dumb and they aren't playing around.🤷♂️
I carry a Sig P226 in .357sig. Love it, it was a police trade in. Scored it for $288. I bought a .40 convesion barrel for times when i couldn't find .357sig. That's the only drawback to the caliber besides capacity, availability.
This video proves what I have been telling people for years. My analogy was always the a 9 will put a divot on a cinder block, a 40 will crack the cinder block and the 357 sig will pulverize the block.
In my view. There is 0 wrong with .357sig but I prefer .40S&W or 9mm +P. .357 do have 🔊 & flash but with training you get a lot out of a Glock 32, P229R, M&P, etc.
Yep, best round bar none is the 357 Sig. Have been carrying it everyday for 15 years in a Glock 32. I found the perfect combination. Load it up with Underwood 125 grain Gold Dots at 1500 feet per second and you will need but one torso hit to end the fight. Many P.D.s both local and federal have found this out. You cant argue with the stats on this round
I personally carry the .357 sig all the time. Once in awhile I may strap on the 10 mm! Usually load them up with Hornady ammo. I believe that .357 sig is the winner in this test!
Appears to me the 45acp and 357sig are pretty close. The Glock 31 may carry a few more rounds, but currently the 45acp ammo seems more available in my area. Guess it's just a matter of personal choice, but I'll go for the 45acp.
I'm guessing if the .45 ACP was in a lighter weight bullet it would have been equal to the .357 Sig, if it had a .185 gr. bullet with a +P charge it would have surpassed the .357Sig.
I bought a used range Glock 41 gen 4, .45acp in 2022, $325. I added a few parts, midnight Cerakote Elite. TFX Pro orange night sights. I carry Underwood Ammo +P 185gr JHPs or Federal HST 230gr +P. The 41 feeds and cycles .45 with no jams, no problems.
They all worked well. The 357 Sig wins the day. Too bad the cartridge is heading into obscurity. Sig doesn't even chamber it anymore. Would be nice to see the 40 S&W with the same Remington ammo in the clay block....Please!
Yes 40sw with 165 grain, not too slow and weak 180 grain. The reason is 9 mm perform so poorly is because he used too heavy of a bullet. You have to have velocity and those heavy bullets are only about 1000+ fps.
357 Sig is a confirmed man stopper. Lov it. Would love to find a 1911 Commander in 357 Sig. 38 Super in a 1911 frame is sweet but a 357 Sig would give me a smile that it would take an undertaker 6 months to remove. Love the clay test. Cheers.
I've been in a number of real shootings, all with a .45. It's never let me down. I'm still here. 357 Sig is damned impressive though. Excellent video, Brother!
@@getoffmylawn8986 I am assuming that you served in our military? If so, thank you very much for your service and I’m glad you survived the experience. I’m a big fan of the.45 ACP and particularly in the 1911. But I plan on adding a Smith and Wesson Shield in .45 ACP to my collection in the very near future. 😊
I appreciate your presentation style, sir. I've pared my semiautomatic handgun choices down to .22lr, 9mm, and .357mag, but given the projectile choice across the three calibers, the SIG offering seems to give the most blast for the shot; having said that, I'll still stand by the 9mm simply for the cost compared to .357SIG. I'm a fan of all three of your carry calibers, though. When the .357SIG came out, it seemed very promising, but given the cost compared to the established Luger round, there was no fiscal sense to buying Glock's offering. If you can afford to buy it, then by golly go ahead and spend your money on the Glock round. We all make our choices on what we can afford.
I’m a huge fan of the 357 Sig. Mine is a Glock 22 with a Glock 31 barrel. It’s my favorite self defense round. I wish someone would chamber it in a 1911 platform because it’s my favorite pistol. I don’t expect that to happen though. Great video. Not surprised at the results. I suspect a 124 or 115 gr 9mm would have provided more damage.
U might consider a 9mm conversion bbl for the G22 also, u just use a G17 mag. In my G31 357sig I use a G22 bbl & 9mm conv. Bbl, I use the 9mm most though (I've got a lot of ammo)😊
you can get a Sig P226 or P229 chambered in 357sig. You may even be able to find one in SAO, otherwise, the DA/SA works very nice. Yeah, not a 1911 but it's still a hammer fire and the P226 platform is one of the greatest around, IMO.
My first weapon was a 12 Gage pump shotgun. Second, my first handgun. A S&W .357 Magnum 4 inch barrel Pachmayr grip. Over the Many years of collecting all types of gear, my 2 Originals are my go-to when it comes to my life is in danger or I need to protect my home or family. That's just the way I feel.
The thing I would worry about with the .357 Sig, is it seems more likely to get a through and through shot if used in personal defense raising the risk of collateral damage. And, it did surprise me, but then it does hit with a high velocity than the .45 acp. I’m glad you used the extra clay block, because the first one showed more damage since it was hit off center.
To be clear, the .357sig caliber was used by FAMS ✈️ & the US Secret Service for many years. The DE state troopers were the 1st to tote .357sig P229s. Texas DPS troopers had P226s in .357sig for years.
Dude the round that has over penetration is the 147 9mm. The sig in 125 blows up and uses its energy effectively and then stop. That is as long as it has a good hollow point that expands as it should. Let me say it again the 9mm in 147 sux!!!
Exactly! My personal experience is 357 sig over-penetrates. 45acp doesn’t carry nearly as far passed target, and doesn’t have rise while firing as 357sig does. Accuracy is key; I carry mostly Glock 23 (40cal). My 40cal performs very well, and is better controlled than 357sig.
Gnarly results from these rounds. I'd love to see some gel testing with the .357 sig Underwood Extreme Defenders. Advertised at 2100 fps and 637 ft lbs. of Muzzle Energy.
@@Texas2Step79 That is a silly argument. 9mm is more than adequate 99% of the time. I am not going to buy into another caliber just because it did well in a clay test. I am not rich and if I can't afford the ammo to practice and get proficient its not a good investment.
@@Aubrey_Yates I wouldn't buy into any caliber over a clay test ... if 9 is your flavor go for it ... never said it's not adequate... just I prefer the .357 ..
Apparently it surprises a lot of people on forums and what have you because even after all these years, all these zillions of tests that have been doing similar things in all manner of gel tests with and without barriers for at least 15 years, people largely say the same thing over and over again; "Bigger bullet equals bigger wound, equals more bleed out." It appears that no matter how many times they see the same thing over, and over, and over, and over again, they still decide to perpetually suffer from suspension of disbelief syndrome, I think because they are emotionally invested in their pet caliber and belief system of cartridge. More than just a smaller bullet and bigger hole, what you'll also find repeatedly is a longer wound track in a lot of the lighter, faster bullets than the heavier, slower bullets if that has any value to a potential consumer. Speed coupled with the correct grain weight of bullet and overall bullet construction of projectile does in fact make a difference in JHP handgun rounds. A huge difference in fact to the discerning and even moderately objective observer. But for those that are married to and have formed a codependent relationship with their defensive handgun caliber round, they have a high hurdle to overcome before they'll be seeing the forest for the trees.
It's a .40 S&W necked down to a 9mm. That gives very high velocity. Actually the .40 really cranks em when you use lighter bullets. All I buy now are 165 grain in .40, I don't even mess with slow and weak 180 anymore.
@@sekhemmontu7072 You're right 10mm is listed as the parent case. But 10mm is also listed as the parent case for the .40 S&W. The reason people usually say that it is a necked down .40 is because they also trimmed the SIG length down to almost the same length as the 40 Smith & Wesson case. Sig case is 21.97 mm length .40 S&W case length is 21.6. I could not find any evidence that they make the brass thinner for .40 S&W than 10mm and SIG. I can't even find what would motivate them to do so. 10mm auto is only 2,000 psi more than .40 S&W, so 35,000 vs 37,000 for the 10mm. That just doesn't seem like enough difference for them to want to switch to a thinner metal. It might save 1/100 of a cent for a bullet If it saves anything at all. And for what?
@@actionjksn yes 10mm is the parent case for both. However, the case is cut making it shorter for .40 versus crimping the neck area down to hold a smaller round for .357 sig. Which means saying .357 sig parent case is .40 an incorrect statement. Manufacturers have the casting for all the rounds they produce and by virtue of requiring less metal to prevent case rupture, there is a difference in metal thickness and in large quantities, would make a large savings in production costs. Less metal is less expensive.
Great Comparison demonstration, Sir! My .45 ACP taught that block some manners. But that .357 SIG Really Took That Block To Church! No Doubt in my mind .357 Sig Won the day!
I pocket carry a colt defender in 45acp loaded with federal hst. It prints a little while walking but is the most comfortable and fastest draw from any concealed position. You should back up those clay blocks with a water jug or two to catch the bullets.
That first .45 ACP shot was definitely almost completely off the left side but hey, they can't all be perfect. Didn't matter though because they all look awesome. Clay may not be as good as ballistic gel overall but it sure puts on a better show and the end results are way cooler. The .357 Sig shot was as close to perfect as possible. I've never owned a .357 Sig but I have plenty of respect for its ability. It's probably the best of the three but It's just not common enough for me to invest in. I carry a small 9mm or occasionally a .45 ACP. Sometimes a full size .40S&W or G21 OWB around the property. What I really want is a Bul Armory SAS II Ultralight...if I can score one of those it'll become my primary concealed carry gun. That said I do love .45 ACP ❤.
.357 sig is wicked. The .45 cap was impressive. The 9mm was pretty weird if I hadn’t watched you shoot it I’d almost think you shot it from the back. 12:05
Tom..... Experts have been trying to tell "people" about this simple principle of, "The shot seems to have come from the front" for 60yrs!!!( Since the Kennedy assassination) Here, thanks to this simple little demo with some clay, and cute little faces, it is again demonstrated very clearly thanks to Who Tee. However, it is a mind melter visualizing how it works that way.🤔
It was a good choice and definitely has some serious performance upgrades over the 38sp. Most places were stuck with that by politicians and it's cheap mentality. Well that and we look bad if we shoot someone. 9 mm back in 80/90's was less than stellar. The 40 had a great combination with better rounds. Except on door frames. Straight on sure thru steel fire doors easily where 9 mm didn't go thru. But at same time was a hazard for placement became the key. 357 was the game changer so was the 10mm but a lot of weapons were large or unweildly. 357's problem is ammo cost and the snoflaking reiterating peace don't hurt anyone. Sometimes you have to shoot and do you want to keep doing it or stop the problem once. 357 and bean counters simply are loosing to the economy. It's to hard to get runs of ammo for use. Unless custom from underwood but then snowflakes and lawyers complain your out to kill people. Umm no but that big hole stopped them so we could get them to a dr.
This is about what I expected to see. Ive never told anyone that 9mm is equal to 45. You did a good test using the same ammo for each caliber. Ive always said that modern 9mm ammo can get you similar performance to old standard 45 ammo. It would be interesting to see the test also using a normal round nose 9mm and an old style 45 ball.
One thing I don't like about a lot of tests including this one is when different cartridges are compared using unequal bullet weights. I am not talking about every cartridge having the same weight bullet but if you are going to have one cartridge with a lighter weight bullet for that cartridge then all the cartridges should have light for cartridge bullets in them. Here we have a 9mm and .45ACP with heavy bullets and a .357 Sig with a light weight bullet for the cartridge. If the 9mm had either a 124gr. or 115gr. bullet and the .45ACP had a 185gr. bullet I think the differences would be much smaller.
I thought the same thing at first too, but then I realized that 9 mm and 147 gr and 45 ACP in a 205 gr are both common for personal defense. I don’t know much about 357 Sig, but I agree it would have been nice to see that in a similar weight as the 9 mm.
I have the same issue and the problem here is only one manufacturer makes a heavy 147gr JHP for .357Sig and that's Hornady's XTP. 9x19, .40 and .45ACP all have three bullet weights i.e. light (115gr/155gr/185gr) medium (124gr/165gr/200gr) and heavy (147gr/180gr/230gr) respectively. Ideally it should have been a 124gr +P GS Bonded (they do exist), against a 200gr +P GS Bonded (don't exist unfortunately) and 125gr .357Sig. That said, I prefer the 147gr Remington GS in 9x19, it just performs better, especially the bonded version. Awesome test overall and please catch them for us next time, so we can see what they look like expanded :)
@@thepatriotsrage661 I think for the .45ACP the 185gr +p and a 124gr.+p for the 9mm would have been a better comparison because the .357Sig is basically a +p already.
Those are standard weights the round was designed around. All of those calibers have lighter and heavier loads both in weight and +P so what's the point? Infinite sliding scale on all of them.
Interesting!! Excellent video too! What I see is Darn Good, Wow, and Holy Smokes!! The 9mm appears to do just fine, no reason to drop it in favor of one of the others. Now, if I was volunteered to visit southside Chicago...
Other that taking more rounds to stop jacked up street thugs. 357 Sig is close to one and done in the stats for actual street shooting. I know thugs mostly use fmj for their ammo, but even stats with effective 9mm ammo designs are showing 357 Sig trumps 9mm by a considerable margin.
Great video! Looks like the 357 for the dime works well! But in a tight squeeze financially near zero and opportunity arises they all will kill! Gun prices are insane... So I swopped a .17 henry for a berretta Px4 Storm 9m and from your video will suffice! Plus it's a double action! Love your show!
9mm works well with good ammo. I carry a Sig 365 in warm weather because it conceals better. Still rather have a 357 Sig. Much more likely to effect a one or two shot stop. That said, placement counts.
Load up a +P in the 45 or a Long Colt. The 45 is heavy and slow, and hits hard. The 357 is screaming like a wild Eagle, and if the 9 were a +P, it would have had better results. It's not as much as the caliber as it is the load, barrel twist and length, and shot placement. Other than that, practice with what you feel comfortable carrying and get the ammo best suited for your gun that also has the best overall ballistic results. There are videos of the 45 230 grain FMJ doing as good, and at one point did better than the 10mm, but i don't remember the load used. Thanks for the upload, time, effort, and expense in making these videos You're in my first choices when i want an honest review
Always love the clay block tests! 9mm and .45 are my daily carries. I do not have a .357 and will not get one because I just do not need another similar offering. I feed Winchester Rangers through mine but there is no doubting those Golden Sabers!
They all did a fine job, I would not want to be on the other end of the barrel of any of those, I carry a 9mm with the same Remington Golden Sabar's, I feel like a hit center mass with that results will be devastating regardless lol.
I carry Hornady Critical Defense in 45, but it’s only 185 grain. I wonder if it would blow the clay apart better since it’s faster than the slower 230 grain.
My dept has carried the 357 sig for almost 20 years. It stops fights fast. But for older hands it does get a little uncomfortable to shoot in extended range sessions I have to massage the web of my hand between relays
I wouldn’t want to be hit by any of them! My beloved .45 ACP was no slouch but the .357 fans are no doubt cheering their victory… pretty damn impressive wound cavity.
@@jimmieburleigh9549 That was my point, had both the 9 and .357 been at their lower end of the weight scale and the .45 been at it's which is 185 gr. it would have been a more fair test.
Nice review and even though the 1st .45 round wasn't dead center it was still a valid example. The .357 SIG was very impressive but from a reloading standpoint the straight walled .45 ACP is a favorite followed by the tapered wall 9mm. I'm not going to rush out and buy a .357 SIG anytime soon. Thanks for sharing!
Well now this was an interesting video and I was almost certain that the 357 sig would win because it has the highest velocity and high velocity always wins.
This, to me, is a good illustration of the importance of energy transfer! People can argue all day about penetration and expansion. They say that as long as you get equal--or at least adequate--penetration and expansion, then all of these popular defensive cartridges are pretty much equal in effectiveness. They completely ignore the importance of energy transfer to the target, the effects on the nervous system of hydrostatic shock and its contribution to the "stopping power" equation. This video is a good illustration of how energy makes a huge difference in the effects you'll see on the target. Thanks for another fun video.
Fun video as always. I do enjoy these clay block tests. As far as the damage done to the clay, the 357 wins for sure. But with a tissue disruption like that from the 9mm I think you are right it might sting a bit.
I wouldn't want to be on the business end of any of those but the clay doesn't lie. Looks like to me, the 357 is a lot more robust than the 9 and a little more than the 45. I have 9 and 45 but no 357....yet. Thanks for the video!!
They have pushed the 9mm narrative so much, that it's sickening. Also some of the folks are a little soft, and don't want any recoil. I will carry a 9mm if I have Critical Duty or HST ammo only. Other than that I carry a 357Sig and shoot with my arthritic hands. The 357Sig is a very good round! ( .40 caliber too)
While I am a big fan of .357 Sig i have had to change my EDC due to age. I started out carrying a Ruuger GP100 in .357 Mag. I then moved on to a Springfield Champion in .45 ACP followed by Sig Sauer P229 with two factory barrels, one .357 Sig and the othe in .40 S&W. I opted for the .357 Sig as it has never jammed on me and I cannot say the same for .40 S&W. Now that i am older and have less hand strength my EDC is now a CZ82 in 9x18, aka 9MM Makarov. I carry it loaded with Hornady's 9x18 Critical Defense as my SD round of choice.
Great comparison. I would like to have seen the .40 cal included in this comparison. I have often heard the .357 Sig described as a solution in search of a problem, because it will not do anything the .40 cal will not do. That would be an interesting comparison.
There is no comparison...357sig >40sw....it has greater velocities...greater penetration..greater energy (+100-150ft/lbs) 357sig is closer to 10mm performance
@@kevinrichardson8859 basically same velocities for similar bullet weights, easier to find downloaded 40 though. Penetration is mostly down to bullet construction.
I love my very accurate SIG P229 that I bought almost brand new in 2006. I have both the .40 S&W barrel and the SIG 357 barrel that can be interchanged in a couple of minutes. I can practice with the less expensive 40 S&W bullets and carry it with the 357 SIG exchanged barrel. The magazines work perfectly with both bullet types. I also have the Kimber 1911 in 45 ACP. To me, it's difficult to tell the difference in recoil because the 1911 is so long, while the SIG 357 only recoils slightly more than the 40SW when using the same handgun. JMHO.
The .357 sig is a very underrated round. Terminal ballistics emulate the street track record of the most effective man stopper ever conceived, the .357 magnum yet most auto pistols carry an impressive load of 13 to 16 rounds rather than just 5 or 6 of the revolver. Perceived recoil is less for the .357 sig as well and another advantage rarely mentioned is the increased feeding ease and reliability due to the .357 sigs bottlenecked cartridge case. Overall the .357 sig is imo the best duty and personal defense round made. I don't know why it hasn't become more popular.
@@johnjacobjingleheimerschmi3857 - yuup Me too. Bought my SIG P-229 in 1994, as a compliment to my P-226 9mm I bought in 1992. Great pistols. Awesome round!
I was a sales representative for Sig when this round was introduced. I still have my P-229 in this caliber and it remains one of my two favorite’s for personal carry. Only thing I do different is I am a fan of the Speer Gold Dot round.
I have a 2 port 3/4 inch extended barrel in 357 Sig for my Glock G29 10mm. It is amazing. It turns the G29 into a whole new gun The recoil impulse is virtually gone and you just hang the front sight on the target and punch holes... I load for the Sig and I love it...
👀. Looks like I need to add the .357 sig to my collection. Over penetration might be a very costly problem in my opinion. I’m still going to add it in the form of the p320
357sig is a wicked round that does allot of damage specially with controlled expansion projectiles. I am a big fan 40sw/357sig so all my pistols that can have both barrels do and normally I carry either my SIG 1911 TacOps or Springfield Armory Customized Parkerized Loaded 1911 or my SIG P220 45acp if I am wearing cargo shorts and a Polo Shirt but with all the Chaos that has been going on for the past couple of years I started to carry my Customized DIY LEGION SIG P226 357sig or my Gen 4 Glock 31 357sig with Storm Lake match barrel and if I had to go to the wrong side of town I have been carrying my Gen 4 Glock 35 w/KKM 357sig Conversion barrel and carrying a 15rd mag in the pistol plus one in the chamber plus two additional OEM 22rd Magazines loaded with Underwood 115gr JHP with a muzzle velocity of 1550 FPS and muzzle energy of 614 Ft/Lbs of Energy but that is out of a 4.5 inch in barrel but when you shoot this ammo out of a Glock 35 the Velocity Jumps to 1700 FPS and so does the Energy to nearly 700 Ft/Lbs.
Which one will slap the clay the hardest??? Watch til the end to see the side by side comparison!!!
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Tough call. Those are good rounds
That is why I carry a Smith & Wesson .357 sig. But I do have to say I love my 1911's also. Deer hunt with a 6 inch 10mm, and have 17 different 1911s. Great content and look forward to all your videos. Keep it up.
Any chance you could put a bullet catcher of some sort behind the blocks?
Just some wadded up old blankets or clothing would do, I'd really like to see the bullets after passing through.
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The most underappreciated round is the 357 Sig. It is a beast.
DITTO THAT!
Yes, it is. Don't know why it never caught on that much. Any one I ever shot felt like a hot 9mm. Less recoil then a 40S&W. But they sure are loud.
10mm 357 sig right after
10mm is a beast
I currently own 2 after market .357sig stainless barrels for my M&P 2.0, Glock 22 gen 4(used). The ballistics of the .357 is impressive ✅️. The -s are muzzle blast, noise. 💥 .357sig pistols were issued for years by many state agency & federal LE. I've owned 10mm guns in the past & might get a 10mm barrel for my big Glock 41 .45acp model. Glock Store.
The .357 sig is a great round that a lot of people sleep on I can see this round making a comeback, it’s a pissed off 9mm that should not be ignored!!!
As a Sig fanboy I'm pretty upset that neither of my Sig pistols are offered in .357-S
A 9mm is made for 90 pound girls that can't handle the recoil but it is a nice starter gun for kids to learn with. Myself like the 357 mag Ruger six shooter revolver because it shoots straighter, holds a bigger powder load for that extra knock down and if you know how to do it empties fast then semi autos. The six shooter is slower to load but in home and personal defense if you know how to shoot one shot should do the trick.
@@Sue_Me_Too Quit being a fan boy and get what comes in that caliber. There are many fine brands out there and who knows, you my like it better. I'm a Ruger fan boy but I do have a way over priced Colt I got in a trade so I can say I have a gun with the little pony on the handle six shooters are expected to own but I use a Ruger because Colts won't hold up for fast draw.
@@neganrex5693 My current financial situation means I have to make do with what I've already got for the time being.
@@Sue_Me_Too I hear you good man. I'm getting in the same shape with the way things are going because of that ding dong we have in the white house that can't even find his way off the stage. I wish you the best of luck and God bless fellow gun owner.
a wiseman once said: "I dont wanna get shot by none of em"
Wiseman indeed.
Troof
An English teacher?
Oh come on, the 9mm would probably do less damage than a BB gun .................. it probably wouldn't even break the skin.
My thoughts exactly.
I've never owned a .357 Sig, let alone shot one....but man, it is impressive!
As a .357 Sig fanboy, I approve of these results
I have to agree with you. Yes it is underappreciated. By far. It really is a beast as u put it. Well spoken.
You got it brother. G33 all the way.
I do too.
The problem I see with .357 sig is that the ammo is so darn expensive and hard to find, it's cheaper and easier to find 5.7x28 ammo than .357 sig. ammo. And believe me, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a handgun chambered for .357 sig if the ammo was more readily available.
@@bdr32965 underwood always has it in stock.
I actually carry the 357 Sig with the Remington bonded golden saber. It was pretty interesting to see this comparison.
Awesome
I currently use Federal HST brand 125gr .357sig but the Big Green bonded GS design looks ✅️.
@@DavidLLambertmobile can’t beat hst performance. That’s what I have for my other carry options. Did a lot of research and saw that the golden sabers were pretty comparable to the hst in how they perform and got really good reviews. Saw a really good deal on the bonded golden sabers that I couldn’t pass on. They are accurate and cycle flawlessly through my pistol.
@freedj27 1 online source had both 125gr Speer Gold Dot .357sig & Federal HST 50rd boxes 📦 around the same price. 1 minor - with factory Federal HST is the cosmetic appearance of the .357sig loads but that's minor. I'd buy either Speer Gold Dot or HST. The Bonded GS .357sig rounds are + too. Remington to their credit has vastly improved the QC in 2021/2022/2023.
Same rounds in my G33..AWESOME weapon.
I converted an FNS 40 to 357Sig with just a barrel swap. It shoots almost as soft as 9mm. I load it with Speer Gold Dot 125gr. It's an amazingly effective round. Maybe the best defensive round against 2 legged predators. It really is too bad it doesn't get more attention, especially with law enforcement. I think some highway patrols and maybe some US Marshall's carry it. This is the round that took down the Texas church shotgun shooter at long distance with one shot. Of course the guy that pulled the trigger had something to do with that.
Speer Gold Dot is used more by police than any other round. Can't get much more use than the most.
@Richard T I love Gold Dot but I was mainly talking about the 357sig round
You hunt Kangaroos and Ostrich with it huh 😅
@@gtrfreak kangaroos and ostriches aren't predators
The easiest ammo to find where I live is 9mm. A weapon is worthless without ammo - especially when one SHOULD practice regularly.
Great test! I’m carrying .45ACP and 10mm only. But 357 sig looking 👀 good 👍
Impressive in .357 Sig. I like the .45 ACP but that .357 Sig is incredible.
Even after the results, I'm still more than happy to carry my 1911 💯 great video!
Great, timeless piece to carry.
Too big....
@@davelowets That's what she said. 😆
@@BoomStuff556 Yep. I hear that all the time....
Not.. 😕
@@davelowets That's why I married a woman with small hands. 😄👍
I asked my uncle what he thought the best defensive round was. His reply was "Whatever you can get on target consistently". This demo confirms that.
A hit with a .22 beats a miss with a .44 mag., in my humble opinion. I used to carry a lightweight S&W in .357 mag. for back up. First 3 were Winchester Silver tip 147 gr. and the rest were Federal Hydra Shok heavy recoiling. This was per Maasad Ayoob testing in Combat Handgun magazine years ago. The 147's had a lot less recoil and flash in low light, ( while still .357 mag velocity over .38+p). He tested his loading hunting deer if I remember correctly. It worked well for me. First 3 I could put on target great with quicker follow up shots. If those didn't do it the next ones were barn burners that would wrench your wrist, ( for on top of you scenarios). Again years ago and for backup. For duty it was 9 or 45. Both with Speer Gold Dot.That department allowed your choice of carry and ammo at that time.
They all get it done.
@@kentuckywindage222 I have a Ruger P89 9mm for home and a 3" Python for carry. I am not a big fan of a bunch of plastic in my handguns. I had paper roll pop guns as a kid in the 70's that were all metal. I grew up. Now all my real handguns are metal too. I use PMC 124gr Starfire JHP for the 9mm and Underwood 357 Mag 140gr. Xtreme Penetrator for the Python.
@@ottomatix3397
While that maybe true, back in the day New York, again if I remember correctly, had their officer's carry 9mm full metal jackets. The incidents that happened were used for training. A perp with a knife, (of small stature mentioned) shot several times, still managed to cut up and officer. Still fighting being loaded into an ambulance. Another shot in the teens of times managed to run across a freeway before collapsing. I've saw .22 long rifle deter a would be robber and about a mile later at a stop light fall out of his vehicle on to the pavement. 5' 8" 170 lbs male survived. I survived a shotgun blast at close range. That was in 93. Lot of damage, shrapnel, half liver lost with 5 pellet in what I have, right kidney, some intestine, half the muscle in my right back, 7 section of rib, hole cantaloupe size in back, hole in abdominal wall as well, right lower lob of lung, shards of bone and lead up and down my spine in that area etc. 2 years later I went back to work in a small town as a city officer. It wasn't long until my body wouldn't allow me and retired 100% disabled. Lot's of health problems. Stopped me in my tracks. With pistols and the right ammo stopping a human is still not like in the movie's or so it would seem from my perspective and humble knowledge. On the other hand a long gun is for offense and a shotgun within it's given range......imagine being hit full swing with a sledgehammer and a torch and hornets nest inside you. In the 70's a friend of mine in KSP said .357 mag with Remington 125 gr Semi jacketed hollow points in the K5 zone had a one shot stop rate. This was my Chief whom I trusted my life in situations.
12 gauge hands down is very best for home.
I have carried all three, but the .357 Sig is devastating. Bullet weight is a critical factor times overall energy. Terribly lethal round.
All three rounds are sufficiently lethal, but the Sig makes them stop what they are doing that is dangerous to you faster. Look at police shootings. Notice how many suspects have to be riddled to effect a stop.
The 357 sig is my pick of what did the best. But all performed very well
Good video. Not only is the .357 Sig an outstanding performer power wise, in my opinion, the perceived recoil is significantly less than the .45 acp and only a little bit more snappy than the 9mm.
I carry a 9mm because that's the round that gets me the most bangs for my buck when I am practicing at the range. However if all three rounds were the same price, I would get a 357 Sig because of the performance on target.
I was expecting the 45 ACP and the 357 Sig to be pretty much of a push. I wasn't expecting so much wound damage from the smaller round. It must be the higher velocity of the 357 Sig that allowed it to transfer more energy. Thanks for the neat comparison.
The entire concept around the .357Sig was to get the velocity of a 357Mag out of a semiautomatic. The Secret Service carries the .357Sig as standard. They ain't dumb and they aren't playing around.🤷♂️
Bottleneck rounds are a sonofabitch. The 7.62 Tokarev round is a known killer as well.
@@sadwingsraging3044 you want to take that comment back?
@@bobbyraejohnson correction. They weren't dumb BEFORE they kneeled to their DEI god.
I carry a Sig P226 in .357sig. Love it, it was a police trade in. Scored it for $288. I bought a .40 convesion barrel for times when i couldn't find .357sig. That's the only drawback to the caliber besides capacity, availability.
This video proves what I have been telling people for years. My analogy was always the a 9 will put a divot on a cinder block, a 40 will crack the cinder block and the 357 sig will pulverize the block.
Wow, that sig and the .45 sure did a number on those clay blocks.
No 45 was way on the left it needed another shot
@@awakeforever Yes. The .45 was definitely WAY left. The 9 and 45 were about the same.
Always good to see .357 SIG getting some love.
I am impressed by the 357sig! Great video, thanks. Considering changing my EDC!
In my view. There is 0 wrong with .357sig but I prefer .40S&W or 9mm +P. .357 do have 🔊 & flash but with training you get a lot out of a Glock 32, P229R, M&P, etc.
The .357 Sig is flat out an energetic round.
Very impressed with the .357 sig
Yep, best round bar none is the 357 Sig. Have been carrying it everyday for 15 years in a Glock 32. I found the perfect combination. Load it up with Underwood 125 grain Gold Dots at 1500 feet per second and you will need but one torso hit to end the fight. Many P.D.s both local and federal have found this out. You cant argue with the stats on this round
My favorite is still the 45. I carry a 45 and sometimes a Glock 23 with the 357 Sig barrel in it. And always a small 357 wheel gun.
I love the performance of the 357 sig, but I hate the price. Thanks for the video!
I've been carrying 357sig since 1999. Drop-in .40 barrels for most all of my 357Sigs!!
I personally carry the .357 sig all the time. Once in awhile I may strap on the 10 mm! Usually load them up with Hornady ammo. I believe that .357 sig is the winner in this test!
Appears to me the 45acp and 357sig are pretty close. The Glock 31 may carry a few more rounds, but currently the 45acp ammo seems more available in my area. Guess it's just a matter of personal choice, but I'll go for the 45acp.
I'm guessing if the .45 ACP was in a lighter weight bullet it would have been equal to the .357 Sig, if it had a .185 gr. bullet with a +P charge it would have surpassed the .357Sig.
@@phillhuddleston9445 Younger shooters seem to favor higher capacity, but I think the hot 45acp loads are a great self defense round. I'm old (lol).
@@phillhuddleston9445 Very possible!
I bought a used range Glock 41 gen 4, .45acp in 2022, $325. I added a few parts, midnight Cerakote Elite. TFX Pro orange night sights. I carry Underwood Ammo +P 185gr JHPs or Federal HST 230gr +P. The 41 feeds and cycles .45 with no jams, no problems.
@@phillhuddleston9445 This would be a fun comparison to see
They all worked well. The 357 Sig wins the day. Too bad the cartridge is heading into obscurity. Sig doesn't even chamber it anymore. Would be nice to see the 40 S&W with the same Remington ammo in the clay block....Please!
The 9mm results were pathetic.
Yes 40sw with 165 grain, not too slow and weak 180 grain. The reason is 9 mm perform so poorly is because he used too heavy of a bullet. You have to have velocity and those heavy bullets are only about 1000+ fps.
@@billblue4710Bad bullet choice is why. Too heavy.
The 357 sig is a nasty round, 😆 one of my favorite rounds. I prefer a 90 grain for explosion effect, they definitely cook!
357 Sig is a confirmed man stopper. Lov it. Would love to find a 1911 Commander in 357 Sig. 38 Super in a 1911 frame is sweet but a 357 Sig would give me a smile that it would take an undertaker 6 months to remove. Love the clay test. Cheers.
Sig Sauer makes a 1911 in .357Sig
Love my Sig 229 in .357. 13 rounds of near magnum performance.
I've been in a number of real shootings, all with a .45. It's never let me down. I'm still here. 357 Sig is damned impressive though. Excellent video, Brother!
Sounds like you need to reevaluate where you go and who you associate with.
@@adamshaw8214 Yeah...I wasn't given much choice at the time.
@@getoffmylawn8986 lam glad you survived your encounter and had the ability to respond! Welcome back!
@@getoffmylawn8986 I am assuming that you served in our military? If so, thank you very much for your service and I’m glad you survived the experience. I’m a big fan of the.45 ACP and particularly in the 1911. But I plan on adding a Smith and Wesson Shield in .45 ACP to my collection in the very near future. 😊
@@lynnvandevander262 I have a 45 Shield, great carry pistol.
I appreciate your presentation style, sir. I've pared my semiautomatic handgun choices down to .22lr, 9mm, and .357mag, but given the projectile choice across the three calibers, the SIG offering seems to give the most blast for the shot; having said that, I'll still stand by the 9mm simply for the cost compared to .357SIG. I'm a fan of all three of your carry calibers, though. When the .357SIG came out, it seemed very promising, but given the cost compared to the established Luger round, there was no fiscal sense to buying Glock's offering. If you can afford to buy it, then by golly go ahead and spend your money on the Glock round. We all make our choices on what we can afford.
I like when the clay goes from 😊 to 🤯
I’m a huge fan of the 357 Sig. Mine is a Glock 22 with a Glock 31 barrel. It’s my favorite self defense round. I wish someone would chamber it in a 1911 platform because it’s my favorite pistol. I don’t expect that to happen though. Great video. Not surprised at the results. I suspect a 124 or 115 gr 9mm would have provided more damage.
U might consider a 9mm conversion bbl for the G22 also, u just use a G17 mag.
In my G31 357sig I use a G22 bbl & 9mm conv. Bbl, I use the 9mm most though (I've got a lot of ammo)😊
.38 Super in 1911 is a pretty potent package. Just something to consider.
@@britskihambone8158 the 10mm is getting popular in 1911s also, it's quite a bit more potent than the 38 super😊 then theirs the 400 corbon I use to.
you can get a Sig P226 or P229 chambered in 357sig. You may even be able to find one in SAO, otherwise, the DA/SA works very nice. Yeah, not a 1911 but it's still a hammer fire and the P226 platform is one of the greatest around, IMO.
Oh yeah... I already knew 357sig would deliver. Great video, thanks!
My first weapon was a 12 Gage pump shotgun.
Second, my first handgun. A S&W .357 Magnum 4 inch barrel Pachmayr grip.
Over the Many years of collecting all types of gear, my 2 Originals are my go-to when it comes to my life is in danger or I need to protect my home or family. That's just the way I feel.
The thing I would worry about with the .357 Sig, is it seems more likely to get a through and through shot if used in personal defense raising the risk of collateral damage. And, it did surprise me, but then it does hit with a high velocity than the .45 acp. I’m glad you used the extra clay block, because the first one showed more damage since it was hit off center.
There are .357 rounds designed to expand more and penetrate less. Hydro shock is one round that is designed this way but there are many more.
To be clear, the .357sig caliber was used by FAMS ✈️ & the US Secret Service for many years. The DE state troopers were the 1st to tote .357sig P229s. Texas DPS troopers had P226s in .357sig for years.
.45acp is big but slow. It will literally bounce off of Cinder Blocks.
Dude the round that has over penetration is the 147 9mm. The sig in 125 blows up and uses its energy effectively and then stop. That is as long as it has a good hollow point that expands as it should. Let me say it again the 9mm in 147 sux!!!
Exactly! My personal experience is 357 sig over-penetrates. 45acp doesn’t carry nearly as far passed target, and doesn’t have rise while firing as 357sig does. Accuracy is key; I carry mostly Glock 23 (40cal). My 40cal performs very well, and is better controlled than 357sig.
Good video! .357 Sig walked away with this one.
Always fun to see the clay targets. The Sig 357 wow. I personally carry 10mm
Go big or go home?
@@chrissewell1608 The only way to go !! Lol
Based
10s are coming back. People using for bear deterrent but I don't trust it. 44 mag better for bear!
Swap the barrel on your 10mm to a 357sig conversion barrel. This setup really tames the .357sig to true 9mm levels of handling.
Gnarly results from these rounds.
I'd love to see some gel testing with the .357 sig Underwood Extreme Defenders. Advertised at 2100 fps and 637 ft lbs. of Muzzle Energy.
They are badass! All I shoot for defense now.
357 sig was very impressive. In my mind it is a boujee caliber, kind of expensive. Since you asked, I carry Hornady Critical duty in 9mm. 😎
What's your life worth ?? With the cost of ammo now it's no more than .40 and most 9mm rounds .. 50 rounds of American eagle for 24$
Shot placement is everything!
@@Texas2Step79 That is a silly argument. 9mm is more than adequate 99% of the time. I am not going to buy into another caliber just because it did well in a clay test. I am not rich and if I can't afford the ammo to practice and get proficient its not a good investment.
@@Aubrey_Yates I wouldn't buy into any caliber over a clay test ... if 9 is your flavor go for it ... never said it's not adequate... just I prefer the .357 ..
@@Texas2Step79 It's all good. I am on a budget so I have to pick what makes the most sense. If I had the money I would have one of every caliber. 🤣
WOW! That 357 Sig surprised me. Smaller bullet and a bigger hole. The faster speed makes a difference.
Apparently it surprises a lot of people on forums and what have you because even after all these years, all these zillions of tests that have been doing similar things in all manner of gel tests with and without barriers for at least 15 years, people largely say the same thing over and over again; "Bigger bullet equals bigger wound, equals more bleed out." It appears that no matter how many times they see the same thing over, and over, and over, and over again, they still decide to perpetually suffer from suspension of disbelief syndrome, I think because they are emotionally invested in their pet caliber and belief system of cartridge. More than just a smaller bullet and bigger hole, what you'll also find repeatedly is a longer wound track in a lot of the lighter, faster bullets than the heavier, slower bullets if that has any value to a potential consumer. Speed coupled with the correct grain weight of bullet and overall bullet construction of projectile does in fact make a difference in JHP handgun rounds. A huge difference in fact to the discerning and even moderately objective observer. But for those that are married to and have formed a codependent relationship with their defensive handgun caliber round, they have a high hurdle to overcome before they'll be seeing the forest for the trees.
It's a .40 S&W necked down to a 9mm. That gives very high velocity. Actually the .40 really cranks em when you use lighter bullets. All I buy now are 165 grain in .40, I don't even mess with slow and weak 180 anymore.
@@actionjksn actually it’s 10mm neck down. Different case thickness than.40. Not sure why authors still put that out there.
@@sekhemmontu7072 You're right 10mm is listed as the parent case. But 10mm is also listed as the parent case for the .40 S&W. The reason people usually say that it is a necked down .40 is because they also trimmed the SIG length down to almost the same length as the 40 Smith & Wesson case.
Sig case is 21.97 mm length
.40 S&W case length is 21.6.
I could not find any evidence that they make the brass thinner for .40 S&W than 10mm and SIG. I can't even find what would motivate them to do so. 10mm auto is only 2,000 psi more than .40 S&W, so 35,000 vs 37,000 for the 10mm. That just doesn't seem like enough difference for them to want to switch to a thinner metal. It might save 1/100 of a cent for a bullet If it saves anything at all. And for what?
@@actionjksn yes 10mm is the parent case for both. However, the case is cut making it shorter for .40 versus crimping the neck area down to hold a smaller round for .357 sig. Which means saying .357 sig parent case is .40 an incorrect statement. Manufacturers have the casting for all the rounds they produce and by virtue of requiring less metal to prevent case rupture, there is a difference in metal thickness and in large quantities, would make a large savings in production costs. Less metal is less expensive.
Really impressive results. I'd like to see the same test done with Underwood ammo.
Same here. The added velocity in my testing with the Underwood Xtreme Defense makes for unreal energy at close range.
Great Comparison demonstration, Sir! My .45 ACP taught that block some manners. But that .357 SIG Really Took That Block To Church! No Doubt in my mind .357 Sig Won the day!
I pocket carry a colt defender in 45acp loaded with federal hst. It prints a little while walking but is the most comfortable and fastest draw from any concealed position.
You should back up those clay blocks with a water jug or two to catch the bullets.
I carry some 9mm +p myself but if if I had a choice I'd be all over a .357 sig really liking it.
That first .45 ACP shot was definitely almost completely off the left side but hey, they can't all be perfect. Didn't matter though because they all look awesome. Clay may not be as good as ballistic gel overall but it sure puts on a better show and the end results are way cooler.
The .357 Sig shot was as close to perfect as possible.
I've never owned a .357 Sig but I have plenty of respect for its ability. It's probably the best of the three but It's just not common enough for me to invest in.
I carry a small 9mm or occasionally a .45 ACP. Sometimes a full size .40S&W or G21 OWB around the property. What I really want is a Bul Armory SAS II Ultralight...if I can score one of those it'll become my primary concealed carry gun. That said I do love .45 ACP ❤.
I actually prefer the clay so the cavitation showing how much hydraulic shock would occur is more easily visible.
A SURGEONS worst nightmare ....45
.357 sig is wicked. The .45 cap was impressive. The 9mm was pretty weird if I hadn’t watched you shoot it I’d almost think you shot it from the back. 12:05
It did a poor job because he used 147s which are way too slow. 124s would have looked a lot better.
@@actionjksn 185gr out of the 45 would have been even faster and more explosive.
@@TexanUSMC8089 Even 200s would have hit harder.
Tom.....
Experts have been trying to
tell "people" about this simple
principle of, "The shot seems to have come from the front" for 60yrs!!!( Since the Kennedy
assassination)
Here, thanks to this simple
little demo with some clay,
and cute little faces, it is again
demonstrated very clearly
thanks to Who Tee.
However, it is a mind
melter visualizing how it
works that way.🤔
We can all agree that the .45 acp is a ‘cheeky’ round!!!!;);)
I carry a flintlock, cocked, in a horizontal shoulder holster, with critical duty.
Love to see how the .40 holds up. 155 gr. at 1200 fps is no joke.
You will see something between the 9 and the 45.
Really? That, stopping power and greater capacity is why LE went to 40 Smith.
It was a good choice and definitely has some serious performance upgrades over the 38sp. Most places were stuck with that by politicians and it's cheap mentality. Well that and we look bad if we shoot someone. 9 mm back in 80/90's was less than stellar. The 40 had a great combination with better rounds. Except on door frames. Straight on sure thru steel fire doors easily where 9 mm didn't go thru. But at same time was a hazard for placement became the key. 357 was the game changer so was the 10mm but a lot of weapons were large or unweildly. 357's problem is ammo cost and the snoflaking reiterating peace don't hurt anyone. Sometimes you have to shoot and do you want to keep doing it or stop the problem once. 357 and bean counters simply are loosing to the economy. It's to hard to get runs of ammo for use. Unless custom from underwood but then snowflakes and lawyers complain your out to kill people. Umm no but that big hole stopped them so we could get them to a dr.
This is about what I expected to see. Ive never told anyone that 9mm is equal to 45. You did a good test using the same ammo for each caliber. Ive always said that modern 9mm ammo can get you similar performance to old standard 45 ammo. It would be interesting to see the test also using a normal round nose 9mm and an old style 45 ball.
A good comparison would be the 357 sig and the 10mm 🤷
First generation 229 sig chambered in 357. I also have that 40 Smith & Wesson barrel for it.
Always love seeing the clay blocks and the water jug test
I’m a 45 acp person but that 357 SIG damn that’s the first time seen the damage it can do.
One thing I don't like about a lot of tests including this one is when different cartridges are compared using unequal bullet weights. I am not talking about every cartridge having the same weight bullet but if you are going to have one cartridge with a lighter weight bullet for that cartridge then all the cartridges should have light for cartridge bullets in them. Here we have a 9mm and .45ACP with heavy bullets and a .357 Sig with a light weight bullet for the cartridge. If the 9mm had either a 124gr. or 115gr. bullet and the .45ACP had a 185gr. bullet I think the differences would be much smaller.
I thought the same thing at first too, but then I realized that 9 mm and 147 gr and 45 ACP in a 205 gr are both common for personal defense. I don’t know much about 357 Sig, but I agree it would have been nice to see that in a similar weight as the 9 mm.
I have the same issue and the problem here is only one manufacturer makes a heavy 147gr JHP for .357Sig and that's Hornady's XTP. 9x19, .40 and .45ACP all have three bullet weights i.e. light (115gr/155gr/185gr) medium (124gr/165gr/200gr) and heavy (147gr/180gr/230gr) respectively.
Ideally it should have been a 124gr +P GS Bonded (they do exist), against a 200gr +P GS Bonded (don't exist unfortunately) and 125gr .357Sig. That said, I prefer the 147gr Remington GS in 9x19, it just performs better, especially the bonded version.
Awesome test overall and please catch them for us next time, so we can see what they look like expanded :)
@@thepatriotsrage661 I think for the .45ACP the 185gr +p and a 124gr.+p for the 9mm would have been a better comparison because the .357Sig is basically a +p already.
Those are standard weights the round was designed around. All of those calibers have lighter and heavier loads both in weight and +P so what's the point? Infinite sliding scale on all of them.
Interesting!! Excellent video too! What I see is Darn Good, Wow, and Holy Smokes!! The 9mm appears to do just fine, no reason to drop it in favor of one of the others. Now, if I was volunteered to visit southside Chicago...
Other that taking more rounds to stop jacked up street thugs. 357 Sig is close to one and done in the stats for actual street shooting. I know thugs mostly use fmj for their ammo, but even stats with effective 9mm ammo designs are showing 357 Sig trumps 9mm by a considerable margin.
@@828enigma6 The 357 is indeed more powerful than a 9mm but I don't like it. Too much kick. I'll stick with my 9mm JHPs since I'm decent with that.
I think 147 is just too heavy for 9mm. Even the 124 gr slows the 9mm down too much. 115 gr is still the best in my mind. Great testing. Thanks!
Yep and 230 gr. is too heavy for the .45ACP, a 185 gr. would have been a lot better comparison.
9mm sucks ass
All 3 would do just fine honestly. hitting what your aiming at seems like the best plan for success.
Would have liked to see the .40 Smith and Wesson added to the list.
Great video! Looks like the 357 for the dime works well! But in a tight squeeze financially near zero and opportunity arises they all will kill! Gun prices are insane... So I swopped a .17 henry for a berretta Px4 Storm 9m and from your video will suffice! Plus it's a double action! Love your show!
Loving my Storm!
9mm works well with good ammo. I carry a Sig 365 in warm weather because it conceals better. Still rather have a 357 Sig. Much more likely to effect a one or two shot stop. That said, placement counts.
Load up a +P in the 45 or a Long Colt. The 45 is heavy and slow, and hits hard. The 357 is screaming like a wild Eagle, and if the 9 were a +P, it would have had better results. It's not as much as the caliber as it is the load, barrel twist and length, and shot placement. Other than that, practice with what you feel comfortable carrying and get the ammo best suited for your gun that also has the best overall ballistic results. There are videos of the 45 230 grain FMJ doing as good, and at one point did better than the 10mm, but i don't remember the load used.
Thanks for the upload, time, effort, and expense in making these videos
You're in my first choices when i want an honest review
I'll take 45Acp all day long and twice on Sunday s😅dude 😅
Yessir 💯 with you on that! 💪
That 9mm impact was weird but effective, 45 was good and 357 sig was badazz
Always love the clay block tests! 9mm and .45 are my daily carries. I do not have a .357 and will not get one because I just do not need another similar offering. I feed Winchester Rangers through mine but there is no doubting those Golden Sabers!
I vote to add 10mm to the mix...
They all did a fine job, I would not want to be on the other end of the barrel of any of those, I carry a 9mm with the same Remington Golden Sabar's, I feel like a hit center mass with that results will be devastating regardless lol.
*Awesome results for the 357 sig.*
I carry Hornady Critical Defense in 45, but it’s only 185 grain. I wonder if it would blow the clay apart better since it’s faster than the slower 230 grain.
I would carry a .45 or .357 pistol but I have small hands but so I carry all my conceal weapons in 9mm I definitely appreciate this video
My dept has carried the 357 sig for almost 20 years. It stops fights fast. But for older hands it does get a little uncomfortable to shoot in extended range sessions I have to massage the web of my hand between relays
I wouldn’t want to be hit by any of them! My beloved .45 ACP was no slouch but the .357 fans are no doubt cheering their victory… pretty damn impressive wound cavity.
Would be cool the see the 9 VS 357 sig in that Remington bonded but with same grain weight.
I think if the 9mm was a 124gr. and the .45 ACP was a 185gr the results would have been closer to the .357 Sig.
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9mm (9x19) and 357 sig are both 9mm projectiles so a same bullet grain weight loading would be a interesting comparison
@@jimmieburleigh9549 That was my point, had both the 9 and .357 been at their lower end of the weight scale and the .45 been at it's which is 185 gr. it would have been a more fair test.
Nice review and even though the 1st .45 round wasn't dead center it was still a valid example. The .357 SIG was very impressive but from a reloading standpoint the straight walled .45 ACP is a favorite followed by the tapered wall 9mm. I'm not going to rush out and buy a .357 SIG anytime soon. Thanks for sharing!
Well now this was an interesting video and I was almost certain that the 357 sig would win because it has the highest velocity and high velocity always wins.
This, to me, is a good illustration of the importance of energy transfer! People can argue all day about penetration and expansion. They say that as long as you get equal--or at least adequate--penetration and expansion, then all of these popular defensive cartridges are pretty much equal in effectiveness. They completely ignore the importance of energy transfer to the target, the effects on the nervous system of hydrostatic shock and its contribution to the "stopping power" equation.
This video is a good illustration of how energy makes a huge difference in the effects you'll see on the target. Thanks for another fun video.
Fun video as always. I do enjoy these clay block tests. As far as the damage done to the clay, the 357 wins for sure. But with a tissue disruption like that from the 9mm I think you are right it might sting a bit.
I wouldn't want to be on the business end of any of those but the clay doesn't lie. Looks like to me, the 357 is a lot more robust than the 9 and a little more than the 45. I have 9 and 45 but no 357....yet. Thanks for the video!!
After seeing this, I am surprised 357 sig isn’t more popular. So impressive 👍
They have pushed the 9mm narrative so much, that it's sickening. Also some of the folks are a little soft, and don't want any recoil. I will carry a 9mm if I have Critical Duty or HST ammo only. Other than that I carry a 357Sig and shoot with my arthritic hands. The 357Sig is a very good round! ( .40 caliber too)
I have a .357 Sig, but the ammo is just too darn expensive.
@kenthomas942 I reload and have been fortunate enough to have the forethought to get the components to reload all of the calibers I own.
While I am a big fan of .357 Sig i have had to change my EDC due to age. I started out carrying a Ruuger GP100 in .357 Mag. I then moved on to a Springfield Champion in .45 ACP followed by Sig Sauer P229 with two factory barrels, one .357 Sig and the othe in .40 S&W. I opted for the .357 Sig as it has never jammed on me and I cannot say the same for .40 S&W. Now that i am older and have less hand strength my EDC is now a CZ82 in 9x18, aka 9MM Makarov. I carry it loaded with Hornady's 9x18 Critical Defense as my SD round of choice.
Great comparison. I would like to have seen the .40 cal included in this comparison. I have often heard the .357 Sig described as a solution in search of a problem, because it will not do anything the .40 cal will not do. That would be an interesting comparison.
There is no comparison...357sig >40sw....it has greater velocities...greater penetration..greater energy (+100-150ft/lbs) 357sig is closer to 10mm performance
@@kevinrichardson8859 basically same velocities for similar bullet weights, easier to find downloaded 40 though. Penetration is mostly down to bullet construction.
@@powerbagle and sectional density which 357sig has the advantage at all bullet weights due to the. 355
I love my very accurate SIG P229 that I bought almost brand new in 2006. I have both the .40 S&W barrel and the SIG 357 barrel that can be interchanged in a couple of minutes. I can practice with the less expensive 40 S&W bullets and carry it with the 357 SIG exchanged barrel. The magazines work perfectly with both bullet types. I also have the Kimber 1911 in 45 ACP. To me, it's difficult to tell the difference in recoil because the 1911 is so long, while the SIG 357 only recoils slightly more than the 40SW when using the same handgun. JMHO.
Great video! I'd definitely like to see a clay test with 357sig vs 10mm (Same ammo). Thanks!
The .357 sig is a very underrated round. Terminal ballistics emulate the street track record of the most effective man stopper ever conceived, the .357 magnum yet most auto pistols carry an impressive load of 13 to 16 rounds rather than just 5 or 6 of the revolver.
Perceived recoil is less for the .357 sig as well and another advantage rarely mentioned is the increased feeding ease and reliability due to the .357 sigs bottlenecked cartridge case.
Overall the .357 sig is imo the best duty and personal defense round made.
I don't know why it hasn't become more popular.
Hear Hear! I Absolutely agree 110%. A Fan since day 1. And that's been awhile.
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Me too. Bought my SIG P-229 in 1994, as a compliment to my P-226 9mm I bought in 1992.
Great pistols. Awesome round!
I was a sales representative for Sig when this round was introduced. I still have my P-229 in this caliber and it remains one of my two favorite’s for personal carry. Only thing I do different is I am a fan of the Speer Gold Dot round.
Everytime I think of a Comparison,,,,U do it,,,,mercy thanks,,,,love Ur show,,,
I love your videos but I would love to see some ammo tests with JSP rounds and some hard cast led.
I have a 2 port 3/4 inch extended barrel in 357 Sig for my Glock G29 10mm. It is amazing. It turns the G29 into a whole new gun The recoil impulse is virtually gone and you just hang the front sight on the target and punch holes... I load for the Sig and I love it...
👀. Looks like I need to add the .357 sig to my collection. Over penetration might be a very costly problem in my opinion. I’m still going to add it in the form of the p320
Antonio, you'll like the P320 full size in that caliber. My favorite weapon.
I'd say your clay results track with the ballistics. In trained hands, all three loadings will do the job.
Always Great when you do Ammo Comparisons, Who-T-Who!
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357sig is a wicked round that does allot of damage specially with controlled expansion projectiles. I am a big fan 40sw/357sig so all my pistols that can have both barrels do and normally I carry either my SIG 1911 TacOps or Springfield Armory Customized Parkerized Loaded 1911 or my SIG P220 45acp if I am wearing cargo shorts and a Polo Shirt but with all the Chaos that has been going on for the past couple of years I started to carry my Customized DIY LEGION SIG P226 357sig or my Gen 4 Glock 31 357sig with Storm Lake match barrel and if I had to go to the wrong side of town I have been carrying my Gen 4 Glock 35 w/KKM 357sig Conversion barrel and carrying a 15rd mag in the pistol plus one in the chamber plus two additional OEM 22rd Magazines loaded with Underwood 115gr JHP with a muzzle velocity of 1550 FPS and muzzle energy of 614 Ft/Lbs of Energy but that is out of a 4.5 inch in barrel but when you shoot this ammo out of a Glock 35 the Velocity Jumps to 1700 FPS and so does the Energy to nearly 700 Ft/Lbs.
Would be interesting to see what a 9mm 124 grain bullet would have done? Good video 😅
Exactly what I was thinking bro….. was gonna say but you did first 😂
Have a 40 S&W but it’s kind of big for a carry gun so carry a 9mm Kimber . But that 357 sig looks pretty devastating.