Is the Thrustmaster TS-XW Losing to the Competition in 2022?
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- Опубліковано 14 січ 2022
- The TS-XW has been Thrustmaster's flagship wheelbase since 2017. Since then, FANATEC has released the CSL DD and many other manufacturers have begun to enter the mid to high-range sim racing market. So, is the TS-XW losing to the competition? Let's find out.
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The TSXW and TLCMs have changed my sim racing experience FOREVER. Truly enjoying this set up rn.
Thrustmaster pedals = 16 bit resolution vs Fanatec = 12 bit. Most people don't mention this.
what does that mean?
@dragoonxgamer better accuracy. It is the number of increments the pedal moves as you push it. Higher the number means better.
@@Toutvidsok thanks
Thrustmaster is better 🤙
Always love the gameplay you include. So satisfying to look at. Keep it up 🔥
Good to know!
I have the TSXW that I bought last year, inventory was really scarce then so I had to piece mine together by getting the base, the P310 sparco wheel and fanatec v3s (I play on pc) I can say that for the money I spent I couldn't be any happier. The base itself is extremely quiet, you can't hear anything other than the small cooling fan which is also very quiet. Note, I had purchased a logitech and I returned it in less than 20 minutes of gameplay, that thing is just downright horrible. The P310 wheel is great, it's good quality, the buttons don't feel cheap and the paddles are very quiet since they are not magnetic, it sure does look a lot better than the gran turismo wheel which looks very arcade like. The power delivery of the base is great for the price it is, it's an amazing base to get into the whole sim racing scene without going out of budget and testing out to see if sim racing is something you will do for a long time, rather than buying expensive and just ditching it after a few days of doing test days in ACC. Overall I extremely recommend this base and wheel (not the pedals, those are horrible) for anyone that's looking into sim racing for their first time, it's not expensive it's got great qualities, it's very silent and it performs great. One last thing to add, the SF1000 wheel is absolutely amazing for all it's features and the price, you can't find any other wheel at that price point that looks that nice and with all buttons etc.
Got this a few months ago as an upgrade from t150 pro,was too impatient for fanstec DD availability at the time,I love it so far
This is what I am thinking of doing. DD ain't in the market and I can't be asked to wait.
Thank you for the video. Thrustmaster TS-PC here past 2,5 years and still going strong. And I have driven it like I stole it and will do so going forward. Solid piece of kit.
Driving it like you stole it is the only way 👍🔥
Got a TX-SW Just before Christmas and after long wait for delivery had it running, but after 2 or 3 laps the whell started to present problem by loose calibration during the play , had it returned to the retailer’s and place the CSL DD, but will only be shipped in July 😢
yo your videos are amazing man, your channel should at least have half a mil in subs. The quality of your videos are amazing
Glad you think so! Maybe one day 👀
I purchased my tspc on the first sale after release around 2017 Black Friday. TSPC+T3PA combo was 404$. On 2018, 2019 sales, tgt and tspc was mostly discounted to 400$ price point which is a great competitor at that time. It was totally shame that this price never came back after the pandemic shortage.
Right, I bought my TGT steering wheel with metal pedals for €394.99. I'm going to wait for the new DD and if it doesn't convince me I'll buy Simagic Alpha mini and use everything else I already have, I don't like Fanatec at all, I destroyed my last base in 2006 and I'll never go back...
@@JoseFcoBN So simagic have thrustmaster wheel compatibility? I remember it need a extra adapter
@@nurolinker5130 Yes, you need something, or its female QR+QR from TM (3D or from another TM base) or an adapter that you manufacture in 3D or in Aluminum, it's easy and I already have the stl file and I saw an Aluminum adapter on ebay.. I have in my TGT extension and double aluminum QR, from my experience I don't see any problem.
Hi dear OC Racing. So what was that Direct Racing wheel that Thrustmaster had to come up in 2022?
Finally got my hands on the CSL DD to have a closer look, started off with 5 Nm, I'll bump it up to 8 Nm later, didn't want to spoil myself right away 😂
You can find a aftermarket adapter for unlocking the 8nm instead of paying $150 for Fanatec's one.
I heard there was an update for a turbo mode for some thrustmaster wheel bases but i haven’t been able to test it yet.
Availability should also be a talking point, i couldn’t for the life of me find a TS-XW where I live at all. Went with a g923 and so far so good.
Yup, I slightly mentioned it in the video. Everything seems harder to find nowadays especially :(
G923 is a g29 with vibratory and costs 200 more
@@OhKnow379 a total scam in my opinion, idk what logitech was thinking there, i'd understand it if it was a product made to work with the PS5, BUT THE G29 ALREADY WORKS WITH THE PS5
Got my hands on one .
Moving from the g923 it's brill but the t3pa pedals bundled with it are a let down , but now with the load cell pedals it's an amazing wheel 😃
@Lover boy I think it was the other way around. From G923 to TS-XW + load cell pedals.
is there anyone have an issue with ts-xw when it's connected to xbox series x? every time I plug the steering wheel tsxw (with tlcm )to my xbox series x , I have to wait a lot of time until the buttons are mapped in the right way (Sparco 310)), otherwise the D-pad, A, B,Y,X don't work...
I still drift on my TM T500rs, T3Pa Pro pedals and TH8a shifter and after 9yrs it still performs awesome, I rate TM products high and can't see the need to upgrade any time soon. T500rs wS £500 at purchase and come with the metal pedals just had to add shifter.
I'm a beginner in the sim-racing world and I own the TMX-Pro, recently I upgraded the T3PA to T-LCM and I'm very happy with it, I'm waiting for the Thrustmaster DD wheel as Fanatec don't ship to my country and all the other known reasons, so the comparison for me is pretty simple. a wheel I can get vs one that I can't 🤷♂
Yes! Availability is huge. Fingers crossed for the Thrustmaster DD price and specs 🤞
I DID NOT know about a thrustmaster dd wheel coming soon, IF its around 400-450€ i may buy it (just the wheel base)
I was thinking about getting a TS-PC with a Sparco Wheel r383 and T3PM (load cell) pedal kit which would go around 517€ with discounts here in Portugal (I got this values from looking at the minimum prices of the gear for last 4-5 months.
What do you guys think about this, if the new DD wheel base its over 450 should I still wait for it to lower a bit, buy it if it's on this price range or still get the TS-PC with this price point?
I finally got my CDL DD in, that replaces my tm t300 with t3pa. What a huge improvement in literally every area. And if u have a very sturdy desk the table clamp is the best that's I've tried
Good for you man!
You ment CSL Anthony?😉
HAHAH, your CSL DD will be broken soon.
@@kolysion164 Did yours break?
Does it still work, mate?
From what I understand, the T-GT (and now the T-GT 2)is the actual flagship from Thrustmaster the TS series is the high-end series, but 1 rang below.
I litterally love ur videos and i like every video i watch on ur channel, it is just sooo good quality and i see that u spend a lot of time on these videos since i have made such before myself. But the time is worth in the end trust. Just wanted to say what i thought so u can have some feedback 👍
I appreciate it :)
Hi, nice video first of all
May I ask which game the footage at around 1:20 is from?
Seems like Project Cars 2 in VR
I’m exactly in this position! Doubting between getting the TS-PC base with Sparco P310 rim and T-LCM pedals, or spend a little bit more on the CSL DD with CSL pedals with LC, and a nice cheap steering wheel. Fanatec’s base is obviously better, but I would rather go for the Thrustmaster as their ecosystem is cheaper. So, the Thrustmaster DD wheel has to be a good one! I just hope the price isn’t too high, €400 max. for around 6 Nm would be perfect for me!
Fingers crossed 🤞
To be honest...you are going to wait a while for the Thrustmaster DD to arive,and it's not going to be €400 i'am pretty sure about it...better go for Fanatec...TM is 3 years behind on the DD subject...let's face it.
@@markvanwalsem3201 And fanatec is still not reliable on this subject, for too many tickets
you are a loser with your 6nm, the SC2 hat 12NM is the best experience I have ever had...
Is the TS the top base for xbox if the CSL DD isn't available to me?
This video is still relevant a year later. I want to upgrade from my G920 setup to DD. I first ordered 900 euro worth of gear from Fanatec with no shipping or communication. After 6 weeks i canceled. Went with Moza now ordered around for the same value 865 euros. Almost three weeks now with no communication and the order is still processing. Only Moza and Fanatec ship to where i live so other DD brands are not available. I have been trying to upgrade now for three months. If i order the Thrustmaster TS-XW Racing Wheel Servo Base + F1 Racestuur - Add-On + T-LCM pedals alongside another wheel rim for Rally that would be around the same money i spent for Moza or Fanatec gear. Only difference is that Thrustmaster gear would arrive within 24 hrs of placing the order. So, i am stuck and don't know what to do here.
TGT II is the king of belt driven system! Just got it a month ago a wow what a difference from a T300. Super underrated base for the price but it’s definitely worth it! If you paired it with the T-LCM pedals is a dream.
Not only playing GT games you can feel the difference with basically any sim game.
I just started sim racing on my Xbox. Found a thrustmaster tmx with pedals for $130. It's not bad but it could be better. It gets the job done. Planning on upgrading when it stops working. Looking at the tsxw or wheel base with f1 wheel
I just got the TS XW Bundle and I've been quite please with it. However it does something really weird from time to time and I just need to know if it's part of the game or the wheel screwing up.
What happens is I'm driving along with my hands at 3 and 9 o'clock in a straight line and all of a sudden the wheel cocks to the right so that my hands are at more like 5 and 11 o'clock and that is my new center. Now it never starts at that way and I've always had a few wrecks as I'm quite new to the racing game. But it just happens right out of the blue. And if I stop the game and unplug the USB Cable and plug it back in. It will do it's centering routine again and it's back to normal. So is it the game doing it, or is the wheel just doing it on it's own? I still really like the wheelbase. But I'd prefer it not do that weird centering thing if I can get it to stop.
What racing title does it do that on?
What do you think a fanatec or the thrustmaster for 500€ it the fanatec for 770€ in 2022
just got myself a TS XW with the Ferrari SF 1000 wheel and the upgraded T-LCM pedals. trust me... dont need anything else more then this. its perfect for its price point and awsome for F1 games or ACC.
Que bom ...Era o que precisava ouvir ainda mais estando no Brasil ,aqui não se pode errar porque todos são de auto valor ! Obrigado.
Good I saw this video now
I am currently on a g29 since august 2020 and I want an upgrade
I was thinking about going all in with a DD wheel and a sturdy rig and all but I dont really know if it is that good for the high prices
I was looking for many options for every bit of kit in the market that isnt stupidly expensive or so hard to get
Now I am not shure what I should do
Should I upgrade to a Thrustmaster t300 or to the TS-PC/TS-XW or maybe even the TGT-2 or should I go with fanatec with the CSL DD and maybe add the boostkit for its whole potential to start things off?
Or should I go deep with a DD from fanatec, simucube, simagic,VRS,moza or even thrustmaster?
If last happens I need to spend good money on the base itself with the extras as: Wheel rims,shifter,pedals,gloves,handbrake,button box,sim rig and so on
I came to a limit for my purchase to 3000 Euros but I would be happy with a less expensive upgrade from my g29 ofc
Or should I wait and have a look whats coming up this year in sim racing and their prices?
Any recommendations for me?
I would go with the CSL DD + boost kit and loadcell pedals
You can get the CSL DD 5 or 8 nm(I'd recommend 8) and a wheel in the price range of 200-400€ and for the pedals I'd recommend either the v3 from Fanatec or the simforge mark 1(they're not so known but I pulled the trigger and got them instead of the v3 (I'm a beginner too)) or if you really have the money you could go high enough as heusinkveld or some other brands good as well in the price range of 700-800€+. For the handbrake go with the heusinkveld or thrustmaster (I'd go with the heusinkveld) and for the shifter go with either the Fanatec one or vnm shifter which has a better construction in terms of materials used( don't know how they both feeling) and if you want a cheap option for both, go with the shh shifter and Fanatec handbrake:) for the cockpit you can get any aluminium cockpit, that will be enough to handel the CSL DD 8nm or if you want no to upgrade it again for a long time, considering that you'll get a more powerful DD base, then go with the px-1 from simlab and a bucket seat whichever you prefer or for the more cheap option a second hand car seat from ebay :) I'd still recommend a new one if you have the money, a bucket seat from simlab maybe, the blue one looks cool. If manage to still have money after all of this, then buy some monitors (triple setup) or better go for a ultrawide monitor or a tv from LG, Sony or Philips which has 120hz. I personally went with the CSL 8nm and the wheel don't know yet:) either the r320 or r330 from Fanatec with the clubsport v2 hub. For the pedals I went with simforge mark 1 dark edition. Cockpit, I found a not so popular company which names Simforce and they have just a cockpit in their store which I really like it and it will be under 470€ and for the seat I might purchase the gt Omega rs 9 when it will be available which is like 180 I think. No shifter, no handbrake because I don't have the money for it right now ad I'm just getting into it:) I'll be using my 24 inch monitor until I'll buy a gaming tv and already got a powerful PC, should be it :) think good before making the purchase, there are companies that you don't know about and may like what they offering, no need to spend a lot of money on the most popular items if you can find something cheaper that you like it more:)
I just upgraded to a VRS DD from a TSXW. I have zero bad things to say about the TSXW, it served me very well. I think it is still a damn good wheel base if you can get a deal on it. That being said the VRS DD is on a whole other level. There is no comparison really. PS: For me personally I would still take the TSXW over anything made by Fanatec!
You got beef with fanatec? lol
The TS-XW can be used on XBox and PC, but not on Playstation.
I'm on a t500 with T-LCM. Ts-XW are going super cheap on the used market, but i'm waiting for either a used t818 to show up, or thrustmaster to release a lower end DD brother to the t818
I mentioned this in an older video but doesn't seem you've seen it; the flagship of Thrustmaster is the T-GT which was slightly upgraded with the T-GT ii a few months ago. In essence is the same as the TS-PC or XW but with a few added features and works on PS4/PS5 and PC. Looks quite similar to the fanatic bundle too, which is not surprising considering both of them are officially a GT sports bundle.
P.s. while the GT wheels look ugly, the extra dials and functionality you get are amazing! I have a custom DTM rim on mine to get the best of both worlds.
That is true! The only reason I consider the flagship to be the TS-XW is because it’s seemingly impossible to actually find a T-GT from my experience. It’s almost like they don’t exist 🤔
@@OCRacing Really? Interesting. I never looked for a new T-GT as the price is not worth the premium unless you're really invested into GT sports. I ended up finding a great second hand deal on just the wheelbase + the upgraded DTM carbon rim for 250 euros. Gotta say, this wheel base and upgraded carbon rim + my already existing TLCM pedals is quite an awesome combo, and certainly at the very limit of what my wheelstand pro can handle.
I ordered ts-xw just a wheel base for 450$..🤔and in the future i will get the pedals and the wheel itself🤷.For many a good kit comes in time🙌 keep up with good work 🍻
You are smart bro, I’m thinking of doing the same but used pedals and steering wheel as it’s much better value that way except for the base which is best bought new for reliability I think. Enjoy 😉
@@laxlax9960Hello! It's been a while since I bought the base(450$~), then the steering wheel(120$) and the last the pedals(250$)(I also took the shifter(250$) but it gave me errors in the game so I returned it)The Ferrari GTE steering wheel proved to be very durable, although a bit small, and the top pedals(t-lcm) are very easy to use. I only play one game (ets/ats)and I made the purchases in time because I couldn't afford all at once..🍻
For me Having the force feedback high is not the way. I want lower but with more detailed. Cranking it does not make it realistic at all.
what great video, just one thing. YOU HAVENT USED THE FANATEC! WTF
I have a T-GT and T-Lcm and love it, I mostly play Gran Turismo but I have tried it on Acc and f1 2021 on both pc and ps5 .
I would love to test out the T-GT! Definitely a lesser-known wheel it feels like.
@@OCRacing To be honest if you play GT Sport the transducer at the back of it is amazing
i absolutely love the look of Sparco wheel it reminds me of AV Racing X3 steering wheel from 2 Fast 2 Furious Eclipse
I have a g923 rn and i was going to upgrade to the ts xw but i think ill wait and see what Thrustmaster has up their sleeve with the DD wheel this year
Good idea. I would do the same.
@@OCRacing Not certain....🙁
3:10 - Lets not forget the T3PA pedals are also 7-8 years old & were made to be affordable where as the CSL pedals are quite fresh on the market (2021?)
Yes, very good point.
t3pa is replaced by t3pm
i just got one new for 350 i was tried of waiting for fanatec or moza and other with crazy as shipping to the states
I see a lot of alternatives for power supply to make the CSL DD jump to 8 Nm for a fraction of the cost of what Fanatec charges. What do you think of the up and coming products from China: Simagic, Cammus, and Moza? Shipping is a pain but a lot of bang for the buck.
I did the diy 24v 200w, with a solid led travo, cable splicing with soft solder, shrinkhoses over it. Works perfectly. Massive difference. You would want the bosot kit (or diy).
Question is, is it a wheel that can do ALL your sim driving needs? No D-pad or joystick, something that some other PS compatible wheels do have. Gonna be using it for ATS? BeamNG? Snowrunner?
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Great video! Please tone it down with the pop sound effects!
Noted! Sorry about that :/
Does Fanatec even ship to the US?
Will you ever make a video on the t300/TX?
Next week 😳
@@OCRacing yooooo excitement levels 📈📈
Good video. The sound effects were a bit too much little brother.
Yeah, sorry about that :/
My t300 broke, so i upgraded to a ts-pc racer a week ago for 250,- (just the wheelbase) and i couldnt be happier.
I love it, its powerfull, i can use all my addons, my pedals etc. And i had it in my hands the next day! Decided to go with this to not break my bank and well, the Next level FGT lite is not a great cockpit for DD wheels haha
hi!
how much different is the t300 compared to tspc? is the TS really a lot more powerful and precise?
@@benjaminschoten8390 Yep basicly more detail and more power, you really feel alot more
lol is T300 really that fragile
@@xXxBo5sANaCxXx it is not fragile at all, really sturdy. Just got unlucky buying it second hand and using it everyday for 5 hours for like 4 years. The motherboard had problems
@@Nickinatorz i play every day for 3-5hrs really worried its gonna die on me quickly as ppl say on reddit and forums, unlike G29 that i have rn which is made like a tank but also sounds like a tank (its loud and SLOW), dunno if i should buy T300 or go balls up the wall with Fanatec CSL DD or wait for Thrustmaster DD base and then decide.....
bro in finland that costs 800€ and it has same pedals as t150 pro
The reason I'll wait for a TM DD base is because I want to keep using my 488 Challenge rim.
I said the same thing when I bought my sf1000 wheel rim, all my friends got dd wheels from fanatec but I said nah imma wait till thrustmaster brings out there’s can’t wait I’m so excited
@@yannzi. Jealous that you were able to get the sf1000 :)
Same here, altough I have the 599XX & stock T300 rim. If the TM DD won't be 10Nm then I think I will jump ship to Simagic
@@MrEDET Ik I’m very lucky a lot of ppl haven’t been able to get it at all I kinda feel sorry for them
@@yannzi. Yup only a small amount were made and it doesn't look like they are making more.. probably due to the chip shortage, they know there is enough demand for these rims :-/
I’m sorry what did I hear you say during the video??? Was it “I’ve personally never used a fanatec wheel base” so if that’s true how could you even compare them ?
Thrustmaster seems to be falling behind in virtually every regard. Value, quality of Internal and external components, speed/torque of the motors, and reliability are way behind the competition for prices that are no longer justifiable in 2022. I'm not sure if they will ever truly recover, sadly.
I find it hard to disagree but I am still very optimistic for the new DD. I feel like they’re SF1000 wheel proves they still have something in them
@@OCRacing, an ecosystem with exciting wheels and terrible wheel bases is a recipe for 3rd party adapters to better wheel bases. I have high hopes for their eventual DD wheel, but they've let me down a multitude of times before.
@@flyingphoenix113 The t300/tx base is sold a lot of times. Also the wheel above ts-xw/ts-pc is as good as a fanatec csl elite. So not that bad.
@@flyingphoenix113 Today only Fanatec improves it with its Csl DD, and from my point of view everything can change this year, it will depend on the DD base that Thrustmaster launches and how long it takes for the Fanatec base to break...
@@OCRacing They need a new quick release system. No way the crappy plastic screw design will work with a DD
I’ve had a tmx for roughly 5-6 years is it worth upgrading to this wheel?
Did you upgrade?
Fanatec and Moza options have to be imported into my country on an order basis. Thrustmaster has had enough of a presence over the years to the point where I can find a TS-PC and 488 challenge alcantara wheel for $375 on special. Yes, its not the best price performance but considering it would cost me almost $800 after shipping and customs duties for the 5nm Moza or fanatec options, thrustmaster is always going to be the go to pick where these DD companies dont even bother to sell their products
Ma questo x ps5 non lo fanno?
All the sim racing conpsnies just need to come together and All make an amazing wheel for an amazing price and make pedals and a handbresk and a shifter that doesn’t cost as much as the wheel/ wheel base.
I personally have a TS-XW SPARCO wheel and love it. Would I like to try a FANA CSL DD w boost kit, absolutely? The more precise feel of the DD is what I want to experience. Would I get rid of my TM TS-XW, ONLY of I had 100% assurance FANA had everything I wanted in my bundle when I order.
Now the TM DD wheel coming....late '22 is not comforting KNOWING it is a PC only wheel because I only game via Xbox. So in all the comparison video was very interesting but would feel more a fiscal comparison would be more interesting if you had time with the CSL DD.
Just noticed your reply that you got yourself a CSL DD, I'll wait to hear your apples to apples comparison, cheers.
@@ptgfern4588 thanks for the comment! Whilst Fanatec did reach out to me, I’ve decided to hold off for a little bit!
Rest assured, I will ~eventually~ get to it 😅
When have they said its their flagship? it should be T-GT II for that matter, even tho its a similar base but with more stuff added in. They are still working on their Direct drive wheel wich should be their new flagship.
with the boost kit CSL DD goes up to 8nm
I just got on bid for $300 Ferrari challenge TSPC I'm so excited 😍😍😍
I think you're using that 'pop' sfx way too much, otherwise good video, I always liked them :))
I agree, apologies. I’ve made sure to not over cook it for next weeks vid 👍
Hej Simracers. Because literally Nobody (in the reviews I found) is mentioning the loud noise of the fan at the rear of the TS-WX, I must have a faulty new one... The fan during a race is louder than my whole PC running full power. Or everybody is wearing headphones with loud enough game sounds and don't hear the fan 🤔
Ordered the DD Pro and waiting for it. I don't want to be first to try out thrustmaster's first DD product. I'll go with the established one
LOL
yes .... BUT ... fanatec has a lot of problems on its products, for much more expensive to buy .....
Maybe it's just me but I've had nothing but problems with Thrustmaster. Even with the TS-PC that had something snap internally after I took a tight corner in ACC. Luckily Amazon refunded me completely. I'm happy that it happened because I'm now enjoying the Moza R9.
I literally bought a ts-xw last week, considering that Fanatec refuses to ship to Brazil I didn't have a lot of upgrade choices coming from a G920 lol.
I just bought a TS-XW here in the states a few weeks ago. I wanted a Fanatec setup but their ordering process sucks and almost all of their stuff is backordered for months and keeps getting delayed. I ordered in mid Dec when availability showed Jan 5th and shortly after got an email bumping it out to late Feb. and they won’t ship partial orders so who knows what chances I had of them having all of my order in stock. When the TS-XW showed in stock I canceled my Fanatec order and ordered the TM and got it in two days. I’ve been very happy with the upgrade from the G29 so far.
@@RightYouAreKen01 yeah, fanatec really needs to sort out their distribution. People desperately want to throw money at them but they won't let'em
@@gacsena couldn’t agree more
O que está achando do Ts xw ? Digo porque vc sabe no Brasil não podemos errar , quero pra usar no PC e Xbox ou arrisco no Fanatec? Observação vou sair de um G 920 te parece uma boa ?
@@FernandoSilva-ht8md os pedais são meio fracos pelo preço (mais ou menos iguais aos da logitech), acabei comprando o t-lcm depois. Mas tirando isso não tenho muito a reclamar, nunca usei um direct drive então não sei o que tô perdendo haha. Se tiver a grana sobrando vale a pena
The upgrades within ecosystem and fantastic McLaren gt3 wheel pulled me towards the Fanatec CSL DD.
Great video👍
Glad you enjoyed! What’re your thoughts on the CSL DD?
@@OCRacing I’m coming from a TMX Pro so there is a big upgrade in performance, even with the 5nm. The really like that this year I can put aside some money for the 8nm upgrade or loadcell pedal. This modulair design is a thing Trustmaster must learn from.
Not in any way, in my opinion. But even I'll admit it's time for them to make a stand on firmware and user happiness. Even if the time hasn't yet arrived to chase hardware, it is getting close. In the meantime, however, adding new features and quality fixes to their existing products could go a very long way to securing their spot until the whole hardware market advances calm down. I'd suggest that one of these companies is going to dedicate themselves to making every aspect of their existing ecosystems work better than anyone else's. After the constant booms of advancement in hardware calms down, THEN start releasing new hardware, while having solidified a loyal customer base through "service after sale" tactics, firmware updates, and fitting their ecosystems into the more affordable markets (like consoles) in ways everyone else is just skipping past. I think whoever does that will eventually control a very large part of this market.
I'm waiting for a tm dd and then I'll get the sf1000 wheel for it.
for US and EURO market? yeah i agree, at least they have to give the same price as fanatec dd to compete
but here in asia, thrustmaster is the go to high end racing wheel since fanatec wont send their product to asia (except japan), there's some reseller though, but its more than double the msrp
I didn’t know that! Thanks for letting me know
The only one reseller i could found here in indo sell CSL DD for almost 3x the price of ts xw in indo.
To go with the ts xw is a no brainer for us here.
They wrote on their website that their product is manufactured in asia (china), but they dont even sell it for asian market smh
Another thing is warranty.
As Thrustmaster does have their official distributor in Indonesia, it's easy to claim warranty in case it's bwoken.
Heck, even Simagic is better in this case than Fanatec because they have their distributor in Singapore
I rock the ts xw with the clubsport v3s
The problem is that Thrustmaster's DD base is said to be only compatible with PC's, which makes the TX-XW a better choice if you want to play on Xbox as well. We will see about that on the reveal date though
I didn’t know that! Thanks for letting me know.
@Musicbox Entertainment you are talking about Fanatec and we are talking about Thrustmaster
@Musicbox Entertainment no problem 😉
Logitech's offerings are only entry level . Fanatec's offerings are pretty much higher mid to high end, expensive and only available in certain areas and out of stock most of the time. The only reliable source for a decent wheel these days seems to be Thrustmaster, no matter if you think they are falling behind in some regards of not. The T300 and upper area seems to be the ideal.
CSL DD makes quality affordable and is a game changer
well, if I had money to buy a wheel, I would probably wait for the thrustmaster release their new direct drive wheel, if I see that the thrustmaster's direct drive wheel isn't that thing, I would probably buy the fanatec's one
I would recommend doing that as well.
If I had the money right away, I would take a simucube 2 pro 😉
@@THESHADOW97139 nice wheel
It’s for ps and pc only for now…so just buy the XW
Now we can finally use a f1 replica wheel with a dd base what an experience that will be
Im so excited! Unfortunately it’s a bit hard to get a hold of the sf1000 wheel atm
@@OCRacing Yh I waited like 3-4 months after ordering line to actually get it, kinda makes it special though :) also keep up the great content it’s some of the best and concise reviews I’ve seen in a long time
pls do ot with the pxn v10
I hear everyone saying "I hope Thrustmaster comes out with a CSL DD competitor!!" Which would be fantastic. But logically, I think it'll be a (bad) DD1 competitor. Think about this: TS-XW, TM's highest-end wheelbase, is 400 bucks. Why would they release a wheel superior to it in almost every way at a lower price? Doesn't make sense to me. Plus, they don't know what they're doing with direct drive. I want it to be good, but I just can't see it being good.
If you ask me, it’ll likely be a DD wheel intended to be better than the CSL DD but slightly more expensive then it. That would make sense I think… who knows 😅
Well in the same way you have things like csl elite which I believe costs more than the CSL DD.
@@lordadz1615 Well, the CSL Elite isn't produced anymore. Fanatec replaced it with the CSL DD.
@@diplomatofthesosbrigade931 hmm but I suppose thrusmaster could do the same thing here and discontinue the one mentioned
@@lordadz1615... I guess so, yeah.
In my scenario, the TS-XW is the best choice and here´s why.
Thrustmaster ( and logitech ) in my country has a solid retail chain , and all the ecosystem can be found on retails and stores across the country. The TS-XW can be find on store for about R$ 5.000 . This includes the wheel and a T3PA pedal set. A ready to go package. In comparison, if you decide to go with a DD wheel ( and it has to be imported ) , the DD Base with 5 nm, can be found for about R$ 5.500 / 6.000. If you add wheel ( + 2.000 ) and a pedal set ( + 3000 ) . We are talking about a 11.000 investment to get it started. So yes, it is a belt driven system, its 5 years old piece of tech and it´s falling behing competition technically wise. But in certain scenarios, and situations, there´s not even a comparison to be made.
Here in my country is simple: Do you want to spend 5.000 bucks in a belt driven 6 nm wheel or 11.000 bucks in a DD 5nm system? It is a matter of price, plain and simple.
With R$ 11.000 bucks i can get thrustmaster´s shifter, addon wheels, handbrakes and a lot more. With R$ 11.000 i can only get all basic level entry DD hardware from fanatec.
Não é fácil
@@regisdrift Nao eh facil [2] 😁
estou querendo saber se realmente a direfença de FFB de um DD vale a pena o custo. E tambem estou curioso para saber quanto vai ser o novo G Pro DD da Thrustmaster. E quando vai realmente esta disponivel para compra no BR. (se um dia ficar ne pq se o "Ninee" ganhar esquece importação)
@@humanspider958 quem ta complicando com a importação é o veio da Havan. Tem o Moza R5 agora que é interessante.
@@regisdrift Então atualmente vc já encontra a base Moza R9 abaixo dos 5 mil na King Simuladores. : Só tem 2 grandes problemas,1 só é compatível com pc se quiser usar em consoles precisa de adaptador importado , os Aros são extremamente caros ! Bom se vc usa PC já muda tudo usa um aro adaptador que vendem no Ml e qualquer pedal vai servir via USB.....Meu problema é este uso os dois ,realmente estou pensando no TW !
Also It's great that thrustmaster has a DD coming. But they really should have made one with ps and Xbox compatibility
Is there any information regarding the Thrustmaster DD console compatibly?
@@OCRacing nothing. Only that the DD is PC only.
I have the ts-xw and it`s the 2nd one i have that is gohst pressing buttons when drifting. It really sucks cause this wheel is not cheap.
What do you mean by ghost pressing buttons? 🤔
Flagship? I thought it was that gtsport rim
Wait I've never even heard of this steering wheel before
should I still get it good vid oc!
Im gonna be making a updated review on it within the next few weeks! I would hold off on buying it until Thrustmaster released their direct drive wheel later this year though 👀
I happy with my TX leather edition ✔️🇱🇹
What is the best Wheel Stand that is compatible with Vive Pro?
i just found one of these with the sparco wheel for 400 USD
I wonder why the TS-PC even needs to exist if the XW works with PC as well. Would have made more sense to have a TS-PS and a TS-XW.
Love my TM wheel and base (considering I also race on a CSL DD and DD1) and I'd really really love for the Thrustmaster DD to be a great competitor but I really just don't see it happening
You never know! I am still optimistic 😤
Im team TM, i owned à T248 but my future will be the T818 if they make it compatible with xbox
You Sound Like the guy from daily dose of internet
The fanetic bundle wins becuase... that wheel has 5 control sticks! that's an insane amount noting else has that many!
Do you really need 5 though? 😅
Just replaced my TS-XW with a Simagic Alpha Mini, and I couldn’t be happier. There is zero reason to get the TS-XW in 2022 unless you find one significantly under msrp.
agreed i got it for 450 AUD where at the time i got it it cost 1200 new so i am still happy
two totally different products and on all points .... price including
Don't be an asshole, Mitch.
You're comparing a Camry to a C63 AMG 🤦
false... i just got the ts xw because i want the sf 1000 f1 wheel... there is one reason bro
SF1000 means I have to wait for the TM DD... 😅
TGT2 is the flag ship not this. And it's behind DD wheels
So wait your comparing 1 setup with another setup you've never used? Not saying your suppositions are wrong just its kinda pointless.
Good video, just a bit strange as a premise.
Thrustmaster TS-XW why compare it with a Bundle for Gran Tourismo wheel the Thrustmaster TS-XW is not compatible with PS
It's like a week fucking in to this year give it a bit
3:03 The T3PA pedals are absolute worst. The potentiometer are notorious for their unreliability. I've had the T3PA, T3PA-Pro and now I have the T-LCM. T-LCM seems decent but only time will tell. I've got them since release and are the only pedals that have worked consistently and didn't give up.
*give up (yet).
I literally test drove the TS-XW ($950 🍁 cad) over the holidays. Pedals are trash. Lol... I eventually returned it because the TS-XW price vs Fanatec CSL DD and a proper load cell pedal did not add up. I will now wait for spring 2022 and if the world can stop overacting to COVID lol..
The stock pedals are the big minus. However, Thrustmaster does sell TS-XW as wheelbase only or with Sparco wheel, no pedals.
So you have a choice to get T-LCM pedals
@@mArvAlcao71Agreed, If I can find them at a fair price. In Canada I feel I was paying the extra "Covid Tax". I would buy the base, used, if price was not inflated due to covid BS or supply shortage. Truly a first world problem.
I had to return mine as it was faulty
I paused the video at 1 second in to answer the question because that's all you need to answer it and the answer is is YES they are falling behind