6ARC Knights LPR - Ep. 001 - 6mm ARC Pros and Cons

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  • Опубліковано 28 гру 2024

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  • @SM-eu5xl
    @SM-eu5xl 2 роки тому +14

    I use ASC specific 6mm ARC mags and to date have never had a problem with them feeding any cartridges. TO date we have used all the factory loads through them (103 ELD-X Precision Hunter, 105 Black BTHP, 106 TAP M/LE ammo, & 108 ELD-M Match). We have also used 90, 95, and 100 grain Hornady SST's and Berger Classic Hunter bullets in handloads without any feeding issues.
    We run our 16" and 18" 6mm ARC's suppressed 100% of the time. All with SLR adjustable gas blocks due to the suppressor. Again, no issues whatsoever. These are mostly hunting rifles that we have used to kill feral hogs and coyotes. They hammer hogs with that 103 grain ELD-X! I have about 1000 total rounds through these rifles now and they run without any issues.
    Now, I do clean my rifles more than most. The suppressors make this rifle a filthy mess in one days range shooting. Just something that may have contributed to why we are not seeing any issues.
    All in all, this rifle caliber has proven to us that it is a winner on all fronts. Super flat shooting, super lightweight (Proof Research Carbon wrapped barrels) and they hit like sledge hammers on game animals. Only downside is that no other ammo manufacturer's seem to want anything to do with making ammo for it. We are combatting this with reloading our once used factory brass.

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому +3

      I appreciate your input here. You are the second person to say that the SLR adjustable block does not clog up the tube, which apparently isn’t the case for other adjustable blocks. Was/is gas tube cleaning part of your maintenance process?

    • @SM-eu5xl
      @SM-eu5xl 2 роки тому +4

      @@sunandshadow_llc So far, I have not had to clean the gas tube. Not saying with more rounds that won't be the case. Just hasn't proven to be an issue yet.

  • @cornydad
    @cornydad Рік тому +1

    Now im seeing 6 Max being talked about as the next big thing

    • @DominicZelenak
      @DominicZelenak 6 місяців тому

      I built an upper. And I think it's pretty great. It feels the same as a 5.56mm rifle and you get about 400-500 ft-lbs more energy with the muzzle with better range. Mag reliability and mechanical robustness are all as advertised. As a reloader, it's also a much better cartridge because it does not require slow burning unstable powders that gum up the action. I wouldn't have built an upper if I didn't reload.

  • @mostrogolf22
    @mostrogolf22 2 роки тому +1

    Hi, thanks for doing this series of videos. I know this video is 6 months old, maybe old is not the correct wording but you get my drift, data changes and improvements are made. I just put together (two weeks ago) a 6ARC rifle with a 20" SS416R Ballistic Advantage 1/7, a good trigger, and and the other parts are good as well, mil-spec right. So far I have shot 80 rounds so as to put down a layer of copper and figuring out what ever bugs it may have, so far, 80 shots and no issues. The investment for me was the barrel and a trigger, everything else is everything else, until we start getting picky about stuff and want to improve on the current system (I'm there now, lol). I stuck my nose in another set of videos regarding buffer tubes and their springs, that's my next upgrade to make it a smoother shooter. I will look at the rest of your series, and I may add (contribute) to your comment section, starting here because I want to see this succeed as I'm sure you and all of us who invest time and effort in doing things like this. Good day Sir.
    PS: Can you send me some good forums of discussion about the 6ARC? Appreciate it.
    Jerry

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому +1

      Hey Jerry, thanks for the comment. You’re correct- this vid is slightly “old” in the sense that there is continued growth of 6ARC products and shooters since the vid was made. There are several groups geared toward 6ARC on Facebook- 6mm ARC, BRH, and the Quantified Performance Members page are the ones I frequent the most!

  • @freeballn3346
    @freeballn3346 2 роки тому +1

    I build rifles , mainly 300 blackout , 6mm arc , 6.5 Grendel and 6.5 Creedmoor and all I can say is after I built my 1st 6mm arc I haven’t built another 5.56 since and don’t care too . I’ve had zero reliability issues with any of the 3 6mm arc’s that I’ve built and I can’t say the same for any of my 5.56’s even the ones that were bought factory made “ Ruger , Springfield and Sig “ I also reload and I haven’t really had an issue with ammo even though you are correct about the limitations of availability and makers I have close to 1,700 rounds 1,200 being 100 grain hand loads , I have used ALOT of Grendel brass when needed…… again this is just my experience.

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому

      Glad to hear you're having a great experience with 6ARC. I have to say mine hasn't been stellar; reliability and accuracy issues galore. Hoping to get these problems solved. I really like the cartridge on paper, but this rifle isn't one I'd rely on yet!

  • @mylesharvey6488
    @mylesharvey6488 Рік тому +1

    Sounds like a Piston Conversion may pay off.

  • @tanggang6824
    @tanggang6824 2 роки тому +1

    Just started build my 6mm arc can’t wait to get it done

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому +1

      This one took a little while for parts research and then actually FINDING the parts, but it came out great! Looking forward to some range time with it.

    • @tanggang6824
      @tanggang6824 2 роки тому +1

      @@sunandshadow_llc can’t wait to see your groups with it, I got a 24in barrel for mine!

    • @dmtug1
      @dmtug1 2 роки тому

      Just completed my upper so i may do a UA-cam vid describing the components and resulting accuracy. I'm building a custom lower as well with matching billet upper

  • @jordansprad
    @jordansprad 2 роки тому +6

    My experience anyway is using only DuraMags for 6mm and never had an issue with mags. The only mag issue I've had was when not using DuraMags.
    From talking with guys that know more than me and the people I've known that had the gas tube issue were all with adjustable gas blocks. Any builds not using adjustable haven't had any issues.
    I think it could just be getting the small bugs worked out with it being newer and figuring out what works best for reliability.

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому

      I have heard this about the adjustable gas blocks as well, although I believe we run in the same circles. Did you receive any insight as to why that might be?

    • @jordansprad
      @jordansprad 2 роки тому +1

      @@sunandshadow_llc I got a very long explanation, but mainly due to differences in pressure and the lower pressure from adjustables allowing more stuff to cake up. I also believe Proof particularly designed theirs with a non adjustable GB

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому

      @@jordansprad Thank you

  • @jowaughtel
    @jowaughtel 2 роки тому +1

    Oooo I’ll be watching this journey.

  • @davidfrazier3765
    @davidfrazier3765 2 роки тому +1

    Got to get more ammo manufacturers on board and where are you at Magpul

  • @elwhastrummer
    @elwhastrummer 2 роки тому +1

    I bought ASC mags(Stoner), and also E-Lander(Alexander Arms). The ASC stated they were proprietary 6mm ARC, whereas the E-Lander actually stated they were 6.5 Grendel or 6mm ARC... But... the follower shapes were identical, spring tension was identical, and I honestly couldn't see any difference, except the finish on the ASC mag followers are matte, whereas the E-Lander followers are shiny.
    Performance was identical, and the Hornady Precision Hunter 108 ELD-X fed perfectly using both magazines, with zero malfunctions.
    I would be curious as to the "dirty gas tube" issue..? Couldn't this be easily resolved by choosing a
    better/different powder? I'll definitely be looking into this. I plan to load using CFE223 and TAC to start, and maybe look into couple other options like LeverEvolution.

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому

      The mags are about what I've seen. No 6 ARC-specific mags yet, and the ones marked "6ARC" are just the same as 6.5G. Maybe they don't need to be different? Haven't looked into it enough yet.
      The dirty gas tube reports seem isolated to specific set-ups (factory ammo, SA adjustable gas block, 18" barrel with rifle+1 gas tube). Can only speculate as to cause; no definitive answer on that one yet.

  • @perrytilton5221
    @perrytilton5221 2 роки тому +2

    I have not had any gas tube issues, though I have heard about this. I have also not put 1000 rounds of Hornady's factory ammo, and that stuff is very dirty. Most of the ammo run through my setup has been hand loads using powders like Match Rifle, Varmint, 2000MR, Varget, N133, AR-Comp, CFE223, and LeveRevolution. All except the last two are fairly clean burning.
    Mags have been a thorn in my side, particularly anything that has more than 15-rd capacity. I have tried Elanders, ASC, and DuraMag. DuraMags have worked the best for anything more than 15-rd capacity.
    If there is a way to make stronger bolt lugs within the AR-15 platform this cartridge will do so much better. Pressure limitations are this cartridge's enemy.

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому

      Which of the powders you tried gave the best overall performance?

    • @perrytilton5221
      @perrytilton5221 2 роки тому +1

      @@sunandshadow_llc N133 for 70gr and 2000MR, Varmint, or Match Rifle (in that order) for 100-108gr. Didn't give me factory velocities, but velocities that aren't looked down upon.

  • @joemartinez5405
    @joemartinez5405 2 роки тому +3

    Is there any data that demonstrates this bullet can penetrate level 4 body armor?

    • @theimmortal4718
      @theimmortal4718 2 роки тому

      You have to have a tungsten penetrator for that. Not aware that one has been developed

  • @oif3vetk9
    @oif3vetk9 2 роки тому +1

    For mags, C Products duramag and don't look back. 1100 rds through mine and not a issue one.
    Yeah, the factory ammo is very dirty so I added scrubbing the gas tube as part of my maintenance just to be safe. Until now I hadn't heard of it being a issue and I don't need it being one in the middle of a match. lol
    I shoot PRS and run a ARC. 24" heavy barrel aeroprecision complete upper on a silencer co billet lower with ambi bolt release. It's a absolute hammer as long as the velocity stays around the 2660 fps range. When it speeds up it loosens up grouping wise. That's just the way this barrel is apparently. The 108gr eld-m ammo is fairly temp stable for factory ammo. The 105gr Black ammo, not so much. I've chrono'd using a magnetospeed and from 50 degrees up to mid 70's it doesn't seem to affect the 108 match much BUT 80 degrees and above it does speed up some. The other day I was getting 2699 fps with it. Now, the 105gr Black, 50 degrees it ran 2635 fps, 83 degrees it ran avg 2751 fps with two rds just over 2800 fps. So, for plinking/practice sure, run the 105 black but for competition probably not a great idea if the environment is prone to temp changes of 20 degrees or more during the day.
    Handloads, while good velocity can be achieved with leverevolution it sucks for temp stability. Nobody needs that problem. I saw decent velocity doing a ladder test with VV N150. N140 was too slow. Going to try N540 this week, find the velocity node then load some up and try them in different temp ranges. Unsure of how temp stable it is plus N150 is extremely difficult to find. If anyone has suggestions to powder that is very temp stable feel free to leave a comment. We should all be trying to help each other seeings how supplies are still scarce these days.
    Overall, for a AR15 gas gun, I believe 6 ARC is the way to go. Yeah, no cartridge is perfect/give everyone exactly what they want but in the 15 platform (until the next cool thing comes along) I think this is a pretty good cartridge. If you want more speed have a 15 done in 6 GT. (Yes, that's a thing. I know of at least one person that's had it done.) Oh, and Giesslle is working on a 15 designed specifically for the ARC. Redesigned bolt, feed ramps etc.

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому

      This is great info, thanks for sharing! Surprised you're at 2660 out of a 24" barrel; is that with the factory 108s? I'm currently at ~140rnds through a new 18" barrel and up to 2628 already (108s).

  • @jamespollard1670
    @jamespollard1670 2 роки тому +3

    Just the fact that it hit's harder is enough for me .

    • @robbledot7290
      @robbledot7290 2 роки тому

      hits harder than 5.56? so do most intermediate rifle cartridges

  • @supermoon1430
    @supermoon1430 2 роки тому +3

    No hate just curious why turn the knights gun into a 6mm instead of building a new upper?

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому

      Fair question. There’s no practical answer; I just kinda dig the idea of a 6ARC Knights receiver set I guess.

    • @supermoon1430
      @supermoon1430 2 роки тому +1

      @@sunandshadow_llc neat looking forward to seeing it

  • @robertjackson1407
    @robertjackson1407 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you 😊

  • @mrshort2379
    @mrshort2379 2 роки тому +1

    as 6ARC gains popularity, all those points you mentioned, will most likely change. I have already seen allot of other manufacturers adding more and more product for the 6ARC parts in just the last month since this video posted

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому

      I don’t doubt it and sure hope so! Would love to see more factory loads available from other manufacturers. Magpul magazines also on my wishlist.

  • @batmandeltaforce
    @batmandeltaforce 2 роки тому +3

    I said in the 70s that 6mm is the optimal caliber... turns out to be true:) I HOPE it stays around. BUT, they need to get the muzzle velocity up to 2800 with a 16" barrel.

    • @oif3vetk9
      @oif3vetk9 2 роки тому +1

      May not ever happen. (Safely and survive long term) Case capacity is limited compared to other 6mm cartridges. Wait, may not happen with heavier bullets. Drop down to lighter ones and yeah, it could be a thing. My question is why do you feel you need a 2800 fps cartridge in a 16" barrel in a 6mm caliber? What exactly is your intended purpose with the carbine? Just curious. Not trying to start anything.

    • @batmandeltaforce
      @batmandeltaforce 2 роки тому

      @@oif3vetk9 Military uses 14" barrels. In my opinion, the 6mm ARC rifle should be redesigned from scratch, instead of insisting on adapting it to the M4/AR plat form. It is too good a cartridge not to. A HELL of a lot better than the bullshit 6.8x51 the army has settled on. But that's a damn jar head general for you:)

  • @sig02medic15
    @sig02medic15 2 роки тому +1

    Geissele makes 6arc mags. Expensive. But have been flawless

    • @dmtug1
      @dmtug1 2 роки тому +1

      it's ASC but way more expensive

    • @sig02medic15
      @sig02medic15 2 роки тому

      Wasn't much info early on. So ordered a couple mags from everyone. Was just tossing another option

  • @terrencecox3748
    @terrencecox3748 2 роки тому +2

    At the rist of sounding stupid, what types of matches are you guys running these in? I'm asking because i've only recently made a distinction (that may be incorrect) between DMR matches and PRS matches. I'd rather do DMR stuff having done some tactical two gun matches. 6ARC sounds perfect for this.

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому +1

      Not a stupid question at all. Check out a series called Quantified Performance; the matches are specific to gas guns with fast stages and multiple shots on each target.
      Another one you might look at is the Tactical Games Sniper Challenge. They have a really fun gas gun division, or if you’d rather do a 2-man team, you can use your DMR there.

  • @allendostlik1509
    @allendostlik1509 2 роки тому +1

    I thought geissele was coming out with 6 arc mags

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому

      From the reviews I’ve seen, they have the same build and followers as other 6.5G mags on the market with no discernible differences. So, basically a 6.5G mag that has been marked “6ARC”.

  • @hugosalceda1973
    @hugosalceda1973 2 роки тому +2

    By the way HORNADY stole the idea from a great wildcatter by the name of Robert Whitley.
    Who made this cartridge under approval of Alexander Arms.
    Necked down 6.5 grendel and called the 6mmAR.
    Just some history!

  • @jbcaptain11
    @jbcaptain11 2 роки тому

    What is the reason other manufacturers did not make ammo when it was sammi speced

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому +1

      I can only speculate- current demand keeps them busy with other offerings and they’re not ready to start a new line/run for 6ARC. There are a number of companies providing options for bullets but complete factory loads are just Hornady right now.

    • @dmtug1
      @dmtug1 2 роки тому

      Might be because 6 ARC is Hornady's creation. It was requested by the military: Ar15 compatible long range round.

  • @dougblessin
    @dougblessin 2 роки тому +1

    MDT makes a 6mm ARC specific magazine

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому

      I see the MDT 6ARC AICS mag but don’t see one that is AR15-compatible. Are they making an AR-pattern?

  • @alfaalex101
    @alfaalex101 Рік тому

    22 ARC when

  • @submoa9278
    @submoa9278 2 роки тому +2

    WHY WOULD YOU TAKE APART THAT KAC DIMPLED UPPER?! I would do dirty things for that.

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому

      It sure is pretty….

    • @submoa9278
      @submoa9278 2 роки тому +1

      @@sunandshadow_llc hey I recognize you from the QP match yesterday ,I was the guy that shot with a 12.5 5.56 lol.

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому

      @@submoa9278 looked like you had fun man! Was a good match!

    • @submoa9278
      @submoa9278 2 роки тому +2

      @@sunandshadow_llc it was fun for sure, It was my first match so I was more or less just having fun and seeing what it’s like, I actually expected to do worse than I did (especially considering I shot with a 12.5 lol) I think I was like 15/26, definitely going to take it a little bit more seriously next time around, and shoot with my 18” or maybe build a 6arc,

  • @seanburns4632
    @seanburns4632 2 роки тому

    Well what ever it is it needs to beet the 556 at 300 no more then that in the field so all the stuff after that is useless

    • @jjw5165
      @jjw5165 2 роки тому

      Yes and can acurately hit people at 600 yards

  • @TexasTrained
    @TexasTrained 2 роки тому

    you really need to get a better microphone or get closer to you.Cant hear much

    • @bb-zq3tl
      @bb-zq3tl 7 місяців тому

      Crank your hearing aid up.

  • @comentedonakeyboard
    @comentedonakeyboard 2 роки тому

    I wonder what the Algorithm thinks about this

    • @sunandshadow_llc
      @sunandshadow_llc  2 роки тому

      “101100011010101101000110010111110001010100101010101011010010101100011”

  • @donrichter3523
    @donrichter3523 Рік тому

    A few points….one, you will never see Magpul make a 6ARC magazine. Polymer doesn’t allow for the wall thinness needed to function. They never made one for 6.5G and only made one in 6.8SPC once LWRC produced non standard receivers to accommodate the added width and length. Two, I’m sure the gas tube clogging is really a function of the adjustable gas block. Go to a fixed block and I’m sure the problem goes away. I would think by now, the gas port size should have been figured out. I’ve never cleaned a gas tube ever in my life. It seems to me, this might not be attainable fruit.

  • @heaterfamily
    @heaterfamily 2 роки тому

    Said government customer = socom = seals.