This cartridge is definitively a winner, irrespective of Devgru having adopted the 6mm arc. Some of you may be wondering what the value proposition of this wildcat cartridge is, what will allow this to take off, and whether or not this wildcat will fizzle out like other wildcat rounds in the past (224 Valkyrie, 6.8 spc). Fundamentally speaking this round has been able to solve the most pertinent problem plaguing both the 6mm ARC and the 6.5 grendel, which is the extractor failures in gas guns. The purpose of this cartridge IS NOT to deliver superior ballistics over 6ARC but rather, it is to deliver nearly identical ballistic performance while having much greater RELIABILITY in the AR platform. 6MM ARC is a great round... in a bolt gun, the same can be said for 6.5 Grendel. However, both of those rounds have noteworthy reliability issues in gas guns, so much so that I would advise against running either of those two rounds in a gas gun. It's also important to note that whenever you are running a 6mm arc in a gas gun that you need to be very careful with the types of loads you are shooting. This new 6mm max however, has finally come to market for those looking to achieve maximum performance in small frame AR's safely and reliably. Is ammo availability going to be an issue for the 6mm max? For the next two to three years yes, but the question remains are you willing to sacrifice ammo availability for superior reliability, standard ar parts compatibility, and functionality. For many of the consumers in this specific market segment; the answer is yes, as anyone interested in pushing a small frame gas gun toward exhibiting performance reminiscent of a .308 more than likely has some experience with reloading, has already squared away a very solid general purpose rifle, and more than likely has 1000 rounds of their preferred general purpose ammo on hand. Does this new 6mm max cartridge make the 6mm arc and 6.5 grendel obsolete? No, not by a long shot it's simply matter of delineating appropriate use case for each of these rounds. I believe if this 6mm max cartridge is marketed properly, the 6mm arc and 6.5 grendel will be more heavily favoured in bolt guns AS THEY SHOULD BE. With the 6.5 grendel being a slightly superior option for hunting due to its' heavier larger projectiles, and the 6mm arc being the superior choice for competition shooting with a flatter trajectory and wider range of available 6mm projectiles for hand-loaders. The 6mm Max presents itself as a much better candidate for tactical applications with that improved reliability and standard ar parts compatibility. I will most definitely be building out an upper in 6mm max upper for my safe. All that being said however, initial adoption will come down to effective marketing, if that is executed properly we have a winner here boys.
You hit the nail, dude, very well stated. If I had to boil down your comment, I would simply say: "We have a new General Purpose Fighting Rifle Cartridge! One that is more reliable and offers superior ballistics to the standard 5.56mm. This is a cartridge so many wanted but never got. Now it's here!" I would also say that "word of mouth" would also be an effective way for us to make this round go the distance. So many of us actually have to BUY it, and put the rounds through its paces. If successful, we might be able to push another civilian cartridge into the military. If that happens the supply goes through the roof for the foreseeable future. Wouldn't that be awesome?!!
My question is if the 6.5 Grendel and the 6mm arc aren't reliable in a gas gun, which is absurd, why would this be? The bolt still has less surface material than a 5.56/.300 BO.
I've been shooting 6.5 Grendel regularly since 2009, starting with a 16" MLGS, shot thousands of rounds through that. Then I built a 17.6" Lilja Grendel in 2014 and I'm still shooting that. Put 5,000-8,000rds through that over the last 10 years. It groups and shoots like it did the day I first shot it, and will cut a ragged hole at 100yds, easy to hit steel at 1000yds with. Built multiple 20" Satern, Bartlein, and Lilja Grendels along the way. Got a 22" Lilja as well, but continued shooting 17.6". Then I built a 12" and suppressed it, have put thousands of rounds through it. I have 22" RLGS Lilja, 18" LaRue, 17.6" Lilja, 16" Lilja, 14.5" Rexus, 12" Monster group buy, 10.5" Criterion from PF, and something else really fun in the works. No bolt or extractor failures in any of them. They feed, fire, extract, and eject properly. I loan the 12" out at DM courses and it's still chugging along. Grendel was engineered to work in the AR-15. There are 124 different factory loads for it, so not sure what this thing about it being better in bolt guns is about.
😃THIS. 😆THIS is the cartride I've been waiting for!!! I've always felt that this would be the obvious step up from the 5.56x45mm cartridge. It makes sense and is exacly what I wanted to see: either a 5.8mm or a 6mm projectile going at least 3000fps from a 16in AR. I figured it would be called the 5.8mm or 6mm Liberty, and that it would become the new standard amongst all of us whom wanted a viable upgrade from the 5.56mm. 😒There are good alternatives out there, but they are generally considered "hunting" or "precision rifle" cartidges, with short/fat little casings and long sleek 6mm or 6.5mm projectiles, with high BCs/SDs. 😯This here 6mm Max seems like a round aptly suited for a General Purpose rifle, with all the standard loadings and projectile offerings seen from the .223rem and 5.56mm; FMJ SP HP FMJ-BT HPBT LAP INC-BALL And all the rest!! 🤩Give us all the good stuff! I'd like to see THIS cartridge get the nod from the greater community, rather that whatever new wonder-cartidge Hornady is trying to shove down everyone's throat. (Yes I am being dramatic.) I like this cartrige already. It is what we need. It is what we deserve. If the U.S. Military won't show us a practical solution and better way forward from the 5.56mm, then it's up to the civilian market. 🤨We all said "6mm", and they went with hyper-expensive b.s. that was bigger, heavier and not available to the citizenry. 😠We see how THAT is. 😤I WANT and NEED this new cartridge. I hope it successfully floods the civilian market!!! 😬We've been wanting a BEEFED UP 5.56mm upgrade. This is the ticket. We need this one. Gibs us the W. We've been WAITING for this! 😂It's about damned time!!!
SOLGW has fired 55gr 6mm projectiles at 3100fps without issue from a 10.5" barrel. From a 16" barrel you could probably bump that bullet weight up to 80gr and still be comfortably above 3000fps.
That’s a solid rifle I like how the upper and handguard compliment each other with the side notch seating which gives it a solid lock up hopefully. I’d love to see SOLGW sells those parts
I am surprised it took this long for this round to come into existence. This cartage is very interesting and I hope it takes off. This solves the problems I have about the 5.56x45 and derivatives cartridges. My ideal AR15 cartage was a cartage that only needed a barrel change and had around 1600 ft-lb (87gr projectile @ 2900 fps) at the muzzle. This cartage bests my ideal cartage by over 100ft-lb. My only question is How does the cartage handle full auto.
Im interested and hope the round does well. Is anyone else a little skeptical of the numbers? The case capacity of the Max and the ARC are within a grain (ARC holding 34 grains of water, Max 35). However the Max is claiming much faster numbers than the ARC. It would be nice if BH would start publishing some data. Their website lists some numbers based on a 24” barrel. Lets get some real world numbers based on a 16” or 18” barrel. Again, hope it does well.
When you neck a 350 legend down it doesn't hold 35gr of water. If you seat the same bullets in the 6max as used in the ARC it will have even less capacity.
Any update on this round becoming more popular? Looking to build a couple of AR’s and this round looks awesome. Always worried about availability. Thanks
90g lapua scenar. 103 eldx up next. Testing additional heavier projos but the 103 is looking like the ticket and based on averages ARC 108g factory averages, the max edges out from a data standpoint from a reliability and component standpoint- no comparison.
@@maddawgprecisionthat's pushing faster than a 77gr 5.56... I really hope this cartridge picks up, and at the very least, becomes comparable in price to 6.5G/6ARC. This looks to be a great replacement that doesn't sacrifice reliability like the Grendel and ARC cartridges!
@@TCraig00 it uses a larger bolt face diameter milled into a standard spec AR-15 bolt, so you lose a lot of meat on the bolt. Most issues are from cracked/broken bolts or bolt lugs
As stated, this cartridge is a wildcat round. For it to go main stream, it needs SAAMI approval. That way a reliable source from the big ammo manufactures can produce ammo for it.
Ok am I mistaken or is your broadsword receiver different than the ones available from SOLGW? I dont see the same cutout for the handguard lockup like yours has.
I'll say that the 103g ELDX MAX at saami pressure edges out the 108ELDM ARC (windage and elevation) on the avg velocities I've gotten over the last 2.5k rounds in my 16" (same bbl length) but it's easier to say they look the same on paper. HOWEVER, the MAX has performed flawlessly in 1400 rounds and I have not been able to get more than 1000 rounds in my arc before a catastrophic failure at some point in the system. It has less recoil, more accuracy, and will have 30rd dedicated mags (ARCs are coming too, actually). It's a 100% reliable 6mm in a small frame with effectively a bbl and mag change from the 556. We're seeing continued/consistently sub minute accuracy at nearly 5k rounds. Things are looking and on my end, feeling fantastic.
If it's comparable to the 6ARC I think it would be a more logistically sound replacement for the 5.56 than the .277. The military would only have to change barrels to existing AR15's and new soldiers wouldn't need sharpshooter skills. Also there's no way any near peer adversary will ever provide their soldiers with enough body armour to need the .277 as the war in Ukraine shows.
@@craesh1001it seems that way, but speeds are comparable even at the very least. So even on the short end of the stick you'll get 6mm ARC performance with 5.56 reliability. That alone is enough to make the switch for me
@@craesh1001I’m only 1400 rounds in but: I’ve been shooting the arc exclusively for comp reasons the last 2 years and I can tell you that without cleaning or maintenance in 1400 on the max in the last two weeks or so including full auto fire it’s made it longer than any arc ever has for me without catastrophic failure. This id effect only all of the 556 reliability we’ve been used to for so long…. At least it’s been that way for me thus far and there’s nothing that I expect to change. I tested the prototype 30rd mag today.
@@AntiATFthat’s the best way to summarize this. There are things looking positive on casings too and just running the data at nato pressure they’ve tested the 103s are the equivalent to my 20” MRGG-S sending 130 hybrid bergers at 2760; same out to like 600 in windage and elev and hangs with the same wind deflection within .1 out to 1k from there.
@@maddawgprecision this really looks like it could replace 5.56 and bring nothing but benefits. I can't think of any drawbacks it may have other than cost, but that's the case for any new cartridge. 5.56 will never be replaced, but so far this seems like the only cartridge I've seen that feasibly could. I love the 6 ARC, but I still would never trust it nor its sibling cartridges in any capacity other than a one way range when stuffed inside the constraints of a standard spec AR-15 bolt. I have a feeling this will get popular enough to see factory ammo at prices noticeably lower than 6 ARC. everyone loves that round but hates the issues it brings in terms of reliability, so its customer base is missing those that value going bang more than high ballistic coefficients.
Im a poverty shooter, so i can't get 6mm max until it's logistically logical. Im hoping soon! However, I really want to know what bubble level that is.
Stay tuned. They are producing 1k match rds an hour. Testing heavier projos and a lot of other really amazing stuff in the works. It is all being done thoroughly with leading tech. I have been and continued to be very impressed with the platform, the cartridge and the inherent reliability (especially when compare to the ARC), and most importantly the knowledge and the players behind it all.
@@maddawgprecision I am skeptical of that claim of 1000 rounds an hour. If they were making that much we would see a lot more of it in the wild. So far it’s limited to 3-4 dudes.
@@mstngo It is unreleased right now buddy. You can be skeptical but as a professional shooter for them I can confirm. BIG things coming in the coming months
This cartridge is definitively a winner, irrespective of Devgru having adopted the 6mm arc. Some of you may be wondering what the value proposition of this wildcat cartridge is, what will allow this to take off, and whether or not this wildcat will fizzle out like other wildcat rounds in the past (224 Valkyrie, 6.8 spc). Fundamentally speaking this round has been able to solve the most pertinent problem plaguing both the 6mm ARC and the 6.5 grendel, which is the extractor failures in gas guns. The purpose of this cartridge IS NOT to deliver superior ballistics over 6ARC but rather, it is to deliver nearly identical ballistic performance while having much greater RELIABILITY in the AR platform. 6MM ARC is a great round... in a bolt gun, the same can be said for 6.5 Grendel. However, both of those rounds have noteworthy reliability issues in gas guns, so much so that I would advise against running either of those two rounds in a gas gun. It's also important to note that whenever you are running a 6mm arc in a gas gun that you need to be very careful with the types of loads you are shooting. This new 6mm max however, has finally come to market for those looking to achieve maximum performance in small frame AR's safely and reliably. Is ammo availability going to be an issue for the 6mm max? For the next two to three years yes, but the question remains are you willing to sacrifice ammo availability for superior reliability, standard ar parts compatibility, and functionality. For many of the consumers in this specific market segment; the answer is yes, as anyone interested in pushing a small frame gas gun toward exhibiting performance reminiscent of a .308 more than likely has some experience with reloading, has already squared away a very solid general purpose rifle, and more than likely has 1000 rounds of their preferred general purpose ammo on hand. Does this new 6mm max cartridge make the 6mm arc and 6.5 grendel obsolete? No, not by a long shot it's simply matter of delineating appropriate use case for each of these rounds. I believe if this 6mm max cartridge is marketed properly, the 6mm arc and 6.5 grendel will be more heavily favoured in bolt guns AS THEY SHOULD BE. With the 6.5 grendel being a slightly superior option for hunting due to its' heavier larger projectiles, and the 6mm arc being the superior choice for competition shooting with a flatter trajectory and wider range of available 6mm projectiles for hand-loaders. The 6mm Max presents itself as a much better candidate for tactical applications with that improved reliability and standard ar parts compatibility. I will most definitely be building out an upper in 6mm max upper for my safe. All that being said however, initial adoption will come down to effective marketing, if that is executed properly we have a winner here boys.
You hit the nail, dude, very well stated. If I had to boil down your comment, I would simply say:
"We have a new General Purpose Fighting Rifle Cartridge! One that is more reliable and offers superior ballistics to the standard 5.56mm. This is a cartridge so many wanted but never got. Now it's here!"
I would also say that "word of mouth" would also be an effective way for us to make this round go the distance. So many of us actually have to BUY it, and put the rounds through its paces. If successful, we might be able to push another civilian cartridge into the military. If that happens the supply goes through the roof for the foreseeable future.
Wouldn't that be awesome?!!
My question is if the 6.5 Grendel and the 6mm arc aren't reliable in a gas gun, which is absurd, why would this be? The bolt still has less surface material than a 5.56/.300 BO.
Pretty sure they said it’s the same 5.56/.223 bolt face…
I'm thinking cool guys may make the switch. I only hope
I've been shooting 6.5 Grendel regularly since 2009, starting with a 16" MLGS, shot thousands of rounds through that.
Then I built a 17.6" Lilja Grendel in 2014 and I'm still shooting that. Put 5,000-8,000rds through that over the last 10 years. It groups and shoots like it did the day I first shot it, and will cut a ragged hole at 100yds, easy to hit steel at 1000yds with.
Built multiple 20" Satern, Bartlein, and Lilja Grendels along the way. Got a 22" Lilja as well, but continued shooting 17.6".
Then I built a 12" and suppressed it, have put thousands of rounds through it.
I have 22" RLGS Lilja, 18" LaRue, 17.6" Lilja, 16" Lilja, 14.5" Rexus, 12" Monster group buy, 10.5" Criterion from PF, and something else really fun in the works.
No bolt or extractor failures in any of them. They feed, fire, extract, and eject properly.
I loan the 12" out at DM courses and it's still chugging along.
Grendel was engineered to work in the AR-15. There are 124 different factory loads for it, so not sure what this thing about it being better in bolt guns is about.
Well done. Definitely selling me on this system and chambering. Thank you.
😃THIS.
😆THIS is the cartride I've been waiting for!!! I've always felt that this would be the obvious step up from the 5.56x45mm cartridge. It makes sense and is exacly what I wanted to see: either a 5.8mm or a 6mm projectile going at least 3000fps from a 16in AR. I figured it would be called the 5.8mm or 6mm Liberty, and that it would become the new standard amongst all of us whom wanted a viable upgrade from the 5.56mm.
😒There are good alternatives out there, but they are generally considered "hunting" or "precision rifle" cartidges, with short/fat little casings and long sleek 6mm or 6.5mm projectiles, with high BCs/SDs.
😯This here 6mm Max seems like a round aptly suited for a General Purpose rifle, with all the standard loadings and projectile offerings seen from the .223rem and 5.56mm;
FMJ
SP
HP
FMJ-BT
HPBT
LAP
INC-BALL
And all the rest!!
🤩Give us all the good stuff! I'd like to see THIS cartridge get the nod from the greater community, rather that whatever new wonder-cartidge Hornady is trying to shove down everyone's throat. (Yes I am being dramatic.)
I like this cartrige already. It is what we need. It is what we deserve. If the U.S. Military won't show us a practical solution and better way forward from the 5.56mm, then it's up to the civilian market.
🤨We all said "6mm", and they went with hyper-expensive b.s. that was bigger, heavier and not available to the citizenry.
😠We see how THAT is.
😤I WANT and NEED this new cartridge. I hope it successfully floods the civilian market!!!
😬We've been wanting a BEEFED UP 5.56mm upgrade. This is the ticket. We need this one. Gibs us the W. We've been WAITING for this!
😂It's about damned time!!!
SOLGW has fired 55gr 6mm projectiles at 3100fps without issue from a 10.5" barrel. From a 16" barrel you could probably bump that bullet weight up to 80gr and still be comfortably above 3000fps.
I want one for sure, SOLGW has the right idea
That’s a solid rifle I like how the upper and handguard compliment each other with the side notch seating which gives it a solid lock up hopefully. I’d love to see SOLGW sells those parts
Nice presentation...look forward to seeing you guys on the line...
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Very well said Mike!
I'm ready to buy asap!
I am surprised it took this long for this round to come into existence. This cartage is very interesting and I hope it takes off.
This solves the problems I have about the 5.56x45 and derivatives cartridges. My ideal AR15 cartage was a cartage that only needed a barrel change and had around 1600 ft-lb (87gr projectile @ 2900 fps) at the muzzle. This cartage bests my ideal cartage by over 100ft-lb.
My only question is How does the cartage handle full auto.
Federal 90gr TNT does 2900fps from my 17.6" Grendel. It does 2700fps from my 12" Grendel. Those are large sample sizes averaged, not 5rd strings.
Very cool! Thanks Fellas
See you soon!
How long till we see 243 wssm getting chambered from mags?
Cartridge innovation the past 10 years has been awesome.
Hope there's some plans to work something out with PSA and have them pump out 6mm Max under their AAC brand and get us some 'scale' pricing. lol
Rad setup. Hope it serves you well bro!
6 max is a winner, can't wait to get mine
Im interested and hope the round does well. Is anyone else a little skeptical of the numbers? The case capacity of the Max and the ARC are within a grain (ARC holding 34 grains of water, Max 35). However the Max is claiming much faster numbers than the ARC. It would be nice if BH would start publishing some data. Their website lists some numbers based on a 24” barrel. Lets get some real world numbers based on a 16” or 18” barrel. Again, hope it does well.
When you neck a 350 legend down it doesn't hold 35gr of water. If you seat the same bullets in the 6max as used in the ARC it will have even less capacity.
I’m ready to pick one up! Sign me up!
Is this going to be submitted to SAAMI or will it be a proprietary offering?
Interesting lower and round
Not gonna lie, this could be the ARC killer hands down.
Any update on this round becoming more popular? Looking to build a couple of AR’s and this round looks awesome. Always worried about availability. Thanks
That’s a slick rifle! What projectile weights are you using for those 2740-2850 velocities you mention?
90g lapua scenar. 103 eldx up next. Testing additional heavier projos but the 103 is looking like the ticket and based on averages ARC 108g factory averages, the max edges out from a data standpoint from a reliability and component standpoint- no comparison.
@@maddawgprecisionthat's pushing faster than a 77gr 5.56... I really hope this cartridge picks up, and at the very least, becomes comparable in price to 6.5G/6ARC. This looks to be a great replacement that doesn't sacrifice reliability like the Grendel and ARC cartridges!
@@AntiATFhow does 6 ARC sacrifice reliability? I'm still looking into 6 ARC. What issues are you noticing?
@@TCraig00 it uses a larger bolt face diameter milled into a standard spec AR-15 bolt, so you lose a lot of meat on the bolt. Most issues are from cracked/broken bolts or bolt lugs
@@AntiATF
Nice! Where do you find the rule of the GP
division that is 16in barrel and 10x scope ?
Will this reliably feed from standard 5.56 50 round magazines?
It will not. 6MAX requires 350 Legend magazines due to the longer COAL.
I already own 2 6mm ARCs, but this is really awesome. I may have to dust off the old credit card and pull the trigger on one.
super cool!!!!
As stated, this cartridge is a wildcat round. For it to go main stream, it needs SAAMI approval. That way a reliable source from the big ammo manufactures can produce ammo for it.
quad stack mag would be nice
How many 6 ARC bolts failed in the last two years that you've been shooting that round?
Ok am I mistaken or is your broadsword receiver different than the ones available from SOLGW? I dont see the same cutout for the handguard lockup like yours has.
*MAX is the Groan of ARC*
how does the 6mm MAX perform vs the 5.56 or the 6ARC? Is there a comparative video anywhere?
There will be. Less on the 5.56 and more on the 6 arc.
I'll say that the 103g ELDX MAX at saami pressure edges out the 108ELDM ARC (windage and elevation) on the avg velocities I've gotten over the last 2.5k rounds in my 16" (same bbl length) but it's easier to say they look the same on paper. HOWEVER, the MAX has performed flawlessly in 1400 rounds and I have not been able to get more than 1000 rounds in my arc before a catastrophic failure at some point in the system. It has less recoil, more accuracy, and will have 30rd dedicated mags (ARCs are coming too, actually). It's a 100% reliable 6mm in a small frame with effectively a bbl and mag change from the 556. We're seeing continued/consistently sub minute accuracy at nearly 5k rounds. Things are looking and on my end, feeling fantastic.
Looks extremely consistent. You could probably put a 5 gallon bucket down and catch all your brass 😆
What Arc should have been
6max vs 6x45mm aka 6mm223?
If it's comparable to the 6ARC I think it would be a more logistically sound replacement for the 5.56 than the .277. The military would only have to change barrels to existing AR15's and new soldiers wouldn't need sharpshooter skills. Also there's no way any near peer adversary will ever provide their soldiers with enough body armour to need the .277 as the war in Ukraine shows.
It’s actually faster than the ARC at many projectile weights so it appears it outclasses the ARC since they both use the same projectiles.
@@craesh1001it seems that way, but speeds are comparable even at the very least. So even on the short end of the stick you'll get 6mm ARC performance with 5.56 reliability. That alone is enough to make the switch for me
@@craesh1001I’m only 1400 rounds in but: I’ve been shooting the arc exclusively for comp reasons the last 2 years and I can tell you that without cleaning or maintenance in 1400 on the max in the last two weeks or so including full auto fire it’s made it longer than any arc ever has for me without catastrophic failure. This id effect only all of the 556 reliability we’ve been used to for so long…. At least it’s been that way for me thus far and there’s nothing that I expect to change. I tested the prototype 30rd mag today.
@@AntiATFthat’s the best way to summarize this. There are things looking positive on casings too and just running the data at nato pressure they’ve tested the 103s are the equivalent to my 20” MRGG-S sending 130 hybrid bergers at 2760; same out to like 600 in windage and elev and hangs with the same wind deflection within .1 out to 1k from there.
@@maddawgprecision this really looks like it could replace 5.56 and bring nothing but benefits. I can't think of any drawbacks it may have other than cost, but that's the case for any new cartridge.
5.56 will never be replaced, but so far this seems like the only cartridge I've seen that feasibly could. I love the 6 ARC, but I still would never trust it nor its sibling cartridges in any capacity other than a one way range when stuffed inside the constraints of a standard spec AR-15 bolt. I have a feeling this will get popular enough to see factory ammo at prices noticeably lower than 6 ARC. everyone loves that round but hates the issues it brings in terms of reliability, so its customer base is missing those that value going bang more than high ballistic coefficients.
Im a poverty shooter, so i can't get 6mm max until it's logistically logical. Im hoping soon! However, I really want to know what bubble level that is.
I'd take this over arc or Valkyrie and I own a Valkyrie 😂
can't you do in a 4.6 H and k
First
Until you can walk into a shop and find 6mm max on the shelf it will never take off.
And until it takes off you will never walk into a shop and pick up 6mm MAX off a shelf. There are other ways for a cartridge to become popularized.
Stay tuned. They are producing 1k match rds an hour. Testing heavier projos and a lot of other really amazing stuff in the works. It is all being done thoroughly with leading tech. I have been and continued to be very impressed with the platform, the cartridge and the inherent reliability (especially when compare to the ARC), and most importantly the knowledge and the players behind it all.
@@maddawgprecision I am skeptical of that claim of 1000 rounds an hour. If they were making that much we would see a lot more of it in the wild. So far it’s limited to 3-4 dudes.
@@mstngo It is unreleased right now buddy. You can be skeptical but as a professional shooter for them I can confirm. BIG things coming in the coming months
@@maddawgprecision you shoot a few QP matches a year. Calm down on the pro shooter talk.
I can’t keep up with this shit, every 6 months something new comes out. I’ll just stick with 308