Couple of corrections that have been pointed out by you helpful people in the comments: 1- Hand Arts all have the brave effect except Initiate and Shield Art, that's my bad, the description is inconsistent across them all so just a heads up! 2- The price required to upgrade from the first tier to the final tier is NOT added with each step, what you see on the final step is the TOTAL. Sorry for the confusion!
Extra tip for new players: Most weapons become available to buy in the mid game. Not sure the exact chapter. You may be better off saving your iron/steel/silver on upgrading to +1/2/3/4/5 then going from steel to silver or most special weapons. Special weapons like the Wyrmadon / Levin Sword. I made a wyrmadon early using my only 2 silver to go from steel to silver to wydmadon thinking it would be a great investment. I wanted it for the Tiki DLC map and it was helpful. But didn't use it again until I could buy the weapon at the shop anyways.
You said it takes 37 silver to make a +5 silver upgrade, but that's only if you go one level at a time. It'd be better to just jump straight into +5 and only spend 20 silver.
Weapons are not as expensive to max as you think. The weapon material costs are not displayed in increments. The cost of a +5 already includes the material costs of previous levels. If you go +1 the cost of all other levels will reduce accordingly.
Gold in this game unless you cheat and fast forward your switch clock to grind paralogues is probably the only part I find that makes smiting too expensive early game. Using gold without cheating to Smith or buying and wasting seals carelessly is an easy way to softlock your progress even on normal mode unless again you cheat lol.
It’s pretty bad actually. Trying to find out what the “hidden weapons” are just robs your early crafting materials, then you get those weapons immediately anyway. Would be better if they were visible once you had a copy of the destination weapon, otherwise it feels like a completion headache.
As a general PSA, I would never forge Mini Bows into Iron Bows because Mini Bows allow for melee range. Instead forging them to +5 and stopping seems good. Likewise, keeping a forged Longbow around is a great idea.
The dogs fur determines the type of ingot found. From the first areas of the game the normal dog always finds iron, the white dog always finds steel and the black dogs always find silver. And this is after every battle for the most part, including paralogues and skirmishes. Take advantage.
I have an assortment of regular, white, and black dogs grazing, and I can tell you some correct info. The regular dog finds iron most of the time, but can indeed find steel and silver every once in awhile. The white dog finds steel more often than the regular dog, but can still finds iron more often than steel, and silver sometimes. And the black dog finds silver more often than the first two dogs, but still finds iron and steel more often than silver.
@@Naticus I’ve been testing this recently and I can also back up this information. They all can find Iron, Steel, and Silver, but there does tend to be a trend as described.
As an extra side note, silver is the best item for these dogs to find because you can trade one piece of silver in for either 90 pieces of iron or 9 pieces of steel. Since silver isn't really used until later this is far more reliable than the drops from skirmishes
Glad to see everyone reaching the same conclusion here, I thought brown/white/black did give unique drops, until one time I needed Iron and literally only got silver from my 5 dogs, only 2 were black. At that point, I figured it might be more likely to just say dogs give ores, not specifically iron/steel/silver.
Having a fist unit with a shielding and a flash art is actually fun because there is such a difference between both interchangeably. Makes the unit feel extremely versatile
Yeah it clicked for me around chapter 12, I noticed the dogs drop ingots out of all the animals and immediately replace all the animals with dogs and they have been dropping them consistently ever since
It's a little sad that some the more out there and unique refines and upgrades from SoV like the Rhomphia, Saurion, or Ilwoon didn't made it in. Most of the weapon lines are pretty uninteresting mostly consisting of Iron, Steel, Silver, Brave with magic and killing branches. Daggers, Tomes, and fists got the worst of it in terms of creative forging.
To be fair, some of the more unique weapons from SoV were kinda lackluster. Using Rhomphia for example, it's practically a strict downgrade from its source weapon the Ridersbane for most of the game. The real standouts in SoV are the Killer Bow and the Rapier. That said, I do like the weapon evolution system they've got here.
I was hoping there would have been a magic refine option for daggers as the only thing thieves can't deal with is armored units, they can dodge them well enough but they do almost nothing to them, even at silver. Gets even more dangerous when backup units get involved.
Something to note about the martial arts weapons is that their damage is based on half of strength and magic combined. Usually, weapons are either strength only or magic only. Magic weapons like Levin Sword are magic only. So, if you think emblem/bond rings that give both strength and magic are kind of lacking, you can put them on a martial arts user to leverage both stats. Any might bonuses help since most of the martial arts weapons are brave effects. Gets crazy when you hit people 4-8x in a row.
Gold has been a real hassle to obtain in this game. How are you going about farming it? The corrupted gold I feel doesn't give that much and the other one is through training skirmishes along with high luck Anna.
I haven't been farming it, but at some point it's not really worth enhancing your regions. Brodia might be the only one because it increases post battle metal drops but the other regions don't give you anything worthwhile and the money is wasted on them
I personally find Iron Daggers +5 a very solid investment too, it's basically better than silver with less weight and less expensive and you can even get it very early on to carry you through the mid game
Dude I turned lapis into a thief because her front line from the getgo is so weak. Turns out she's super strong as thief, probably even better than Yunaka
Thanks for the content. There are so many upgrade/temp buff systems in the game. Watching guides like this while I’m out/driving really helps me enjoy the game when I sit down to play instead of racking my brain/googling stuff to make sure I don’t waste resources.
I am in late game for maddening. Fist weapons are clutch against range. They will break any ranged dagger, tome, and bows, which can really come in handy.
Shielding Art is great for staff users who have crap STR. +5 DEF makes a unit quite a bit tankier vs melee units, especially if they aren't going to do a lot of damage anyway.
I hope somebody finds this helpful. The video stated it takes 38 Silver to get a Silver Sword from base to +5 by totaling up 1+2+5+10+20 for each step. This is not correct. 20 is the number of silver it takes to go directly from a Silver Sword to a Silver Sword +5. Same with the other materials and gold. Think of it this way: A Silver Sword +5 is a Silver Sword that contains 20 pieces of Silver. A Silver Sword +3 is a Silver Sword that contains 5 Pieces of Silver. So to make a Silver Sword +3 into a Silver Sword +5 requires adding 15 more pieces of silver, since it already has 5. The game uses this interface pretty consistently throughout the game. You can see this in the arena raising bond levels, or using SP to purchase Emblem skills. Speed+1 I think costs 100SP. Speed +2 costs 200SP. But if you have speed +1 already, it will only cost an additional 100SP to get speed +2.
To be fair to the daggers, they do seem to get the most forge benefits from actually dumping resources into them. My Yunaka has an iron Dagger+5 for average schmucks, and a silver one (also +5) for bosses, though i could easily get away with just the iron one.
It's extremely helpful since my game just came in the male today. I have to wait about 30 or so minutes cause got to wait till it comes home. I got a question what does Smash do? I know what break does but what about smash.
You can save yourself some time on the video editing by just unequipping things. You don't see the Sprites on the lists if they aren't attached to anyone
Your videos a finely made but you really gotta work on your info. You are spouting some misinformation at some weird points. For example in your Anna video you tried to stack the luck +12 inherited skill with with the +12 from the ring but only got +8. That’s because inherited and ring skills that are the same don’t stack so it gave you the +8 from the ring since it was the optimum setup. And then in this video, find this one more egregious, as you said it would take like 38 silver ingots to max out a specific weapon. That’s not what happens at all if you do a partial upgrade it removes any ingots used for that from higher upgrades. Also the arts almost all day they attack twice besides the initiate. Again your videos are good you just should double check your info.
They DO stack, I've tested this myself. There is a limit to how much blue stats you can have on your unit, and it's +20 in each stat. If you don't believe me try it yourself. Go use Eirika at bond 10 who gives +10, and then use the Luck +12, the Eirika ring will only give you +8. Yeah, the ingots mistake was my bad, and I corrected that in the pinned comment.
Nice video. Would you be willing to make a video for best weapons to engrave ? And how said engravements might work best for certain classes. This game is a bit to interface heavy for my liking.
I also had already been using a lot of dogs for my forging and had looked at most of the weapon branches then thanks to this video. I just watched this to see any I may have missed or haven't yet seen. Also you should definitely do a tutorial on the bond rings or potentially show off the extra skills on some of them. Like there is one that can make Thunder tomes attack twice.
The way this person says iron is driving me crazy. Also, a forging guide that ignores daggers are the best thing to forge because they get +2 might for each level invested? Smh.
Is there any point upgrading a sword (for example) to +1/+2/+3 etc, if you plan to upgrade it to a new weapon? I'm guessing it won't keep any plus modifiers? Will it make the transformation cost any less? If not I guess you'd be better off transforming a new un-upgraded weapon?
Not entirely related, but anyone else feel like smash weapons were intended for defending and not attacking? I've tried using them and I feel like using them to attack is far too risky with the speed cap being 40s to 50s that its honestly not worth it when enemies are set to always attack first when you're using smash weapons. The only possible exception I can think of where smash could be used offensively is if tempest trial augments on rival weapons works to boost evasion and even then I'm not 100% that's worth it.
They are useful if someone breaks the enemy or if you aren't killing with it (and the weight doesn't change doubling). Smash weapons are also the only way to break armors pretty sure. Also as a high mt weapon for certain emblem attacks (like Sigurd's)
thanks for the guide, it put into perspective whether i should be holding out my silver ore for later game weapons or if liberation and FEH weapons are worth upgrading.
I’m surprised that they don’t have Bolt Axe or magic fists. We just had them in FE3H, so I’m sad that they don’t have it here. They’re probably saving it for DLC or a free update.
You'd be surprised how effective just +2 iron will be. I'm still using iron and low tier weapons with few refines and engravings. They are wrecking silver weaponed enemies after chapter 12
I feel like Brave Weapons are fairly underpowered in this game until they're maxed forged, and that's quite expensive. Whereas Silver weapons at +2 or 3 are quite strong, so I'm leaning towards silvers myself.
High Str and Speed characters can make Brave weapons work on enemies with middling defense, as being able to to double an enemy lets you get 4 hits in all. For higher defense enemies, you want big alpha damage and, if possible, high crit
It’s dumb how it doesn’t explain that you don’t always get gold from a battle and the donations are pretty much your main source of income and I’m upset I didn’t realize until late game
Thanks for helping with the game mechanics. My first playthrough on hard classic, but I didn't use or understand any of: weapon forging, good units and suitable units for them, optimal emblem pairings, inheritance and kept swapping people in and out so everyone was underleveled. Playing on maddening now and finding the game far easier Actually using all this stuff lol. I don't know how I managed to play the game without canter...
You do not total all of the costs to upgrade. as you upgrade all future upgrades get cheaper - The same mechanic applies to inherent skills and SP costs. Basically you can go ahead and upgrade early
shield fists turned my Framme from a healer into a heavy armor in the relay trials. she literally was the only reason i finished a three map trial with my sanity in tact. my heavy ended up getting one shot by mage i didn't account for properly so framme had to take up the job and it was much more effective than i imagined since her defense stats aren't too bad anyways. add that i gave her tiki for emblem bracelet and i had a tank that blasted up to 4 enemies at a time.
Why would a silver sword need 38 silver to max? The material cost per level aren't additive. Normal silver sword to silver sword +5, only requires 20 silver
I'm a few days late, but I did want to point out that it's completely possible to use forging in order to get a Bolganone and Thoron tome before chapter 9. They only cost a total of 200 Iron 20 Steel and 1 Silver each (plus 4k gold). It is absolutely worth it, because you can auto promote Citrinne after chapter 7 and she can use both at that point. This is easily the best thing to focus on in Maddening first since it's just so useful.
Huh… for some reason I never scrolled down to realize you can scroll down to forge your weapon into a completely different one lol. I like that, pretty similar to echoes though the gold and iron aren’t as tough to come by. So you can make some pretty cool weapons like levin swords pretty early Thanks for the guide!
Wow I've never heard someone pronounce Iron like "eye-ron" before 😂Not everything is meant to be pronounced exactly how it's spelled. But overall great guide, thanks! Definitely took some notes.
4:50 I believe you might be off. Take a look at your Silver. You’ve only 14 but it says you can +4 the weapon. I don’t think the costs are additive but are actually cumulative.
It's a promotion with Fire Emblem Heroes, if you get the code from that game and put it in the eshop I believe you can get the Heroes weapons and bond rings.
Possible spoiler- Surge does have a third version but I’m not sure if it can be forged. The tome is Nova but they changed how it works, but you can tell based of the appearance that it’s supposed to be the Surge tome.
@@LinkKing7 yeah it looks similar to the surge tomes in both battle effects and model so it seems like its intended to be the ultimate surge tome but they changed how it works entirely for some reason
Spend your gold to max out investment to lv5 for each region, because it will spawn gold corrupted enemies which gives you more gold in return, as well as MULTIPLY Resource gains several times over, like Bond Fragments which is vital for upgrading and reducing the grind in some sense if you want to make S ranked Bond Rings.
The only region I would consider maxing is brodia. The corrupted enemies don't really give a lot of gold, and I'd rather just hold on to my gold and use it on weapons rather than have to grind for hours. There is a video by Choops on how to get S rank rigs easier, in my experience, you really don't need them and the bond rings you get are more than enough.
@@LinkKing7 I linked the Nintendo account via Fire Emblem heroes mobile game and got the free weapons and bond rings that are just as good. Then uninstalled the app. Plus happened to check out the 10 ring set in the spur of the moment and there was 2 S rank rings with abilities, so I chose the two 'Renewal' skills.
Didn't play three houses so what is smash? I see that the great weapons have it built in but they can't make follow ups nor attack first even when you initiate. Seems kinda only good on heavily armored units. Also how does that work with vantage?
It pushes units back a space if you successfully land the hit. Vantage should work fine on enemy phase, the weapon effect is only a player phase nerf because they're so strong!
@@LinkKing7 Their high Mt also lets them do a lot of work for emblem attacks that take a percentage of the characters total damage. Another tidbit on smashing is that if the enemy is blocked from moving by the smash hit, they will get broken, no matter the class. Which lets you get a free attack in while avoiding any retaliation.
Question, I made a +4 Iron Lance. If I were to instead want a steel lance, should I just turn a standard one into steel and keep the +4? Because the +4 is doing a lot of work
Yeah, just turn a standard one into the steel one. The +4 will start as a +0 Steel lance. I'd turn the Iron Lance into a Killer LAnce over Steel if you can afford it though, those will be good all the way into the end game because of their high crit
Where are the long range tomes? I keep on reading that Meteor is available, but whenever I talk to people they say it isn’t available for blue units. Is Meteor or Bolting available?
I've seen that it's in the game, but I haven't gotten it myself or seen it in gameplay yet. I have to finish the game to confirm it myself, but it seems like it IS in the data
@@LinkKing7 Yeah, I'm almost done with the game, and I have only seen Meteor from enemy units. I haven't found it myself. I want to make my Citrinne even more broken than she already is lol
@@LinkKing7 the funny part is, it works lol, though you'll run into the issue of Anna maxing out her level and pushing the skirmish levels too high for the rest of your team lol.
Couple of corrections that have been pointed out by you helpful people in the comments:
1- Hand Arts all have the brave effect except Initiate and Shield Art, that's my bad, the description is inconsistent across them all so just a heads up!
2- The price required to upgrade from the first tier to the final tier is NOT added with each step, what you see on the final step is the TOTAL. Sorry for the confusion!
Extra tip for new players: Most weapons become available to buy in the mid game. Not sure the exact chapter. You may be better off saving your iron/steel/silver on upgrading to +1/2/3/4/5 then going from steel to silver or most special weapons. Special weapons like the Wyrmadon / Levin Sword.
I made a wyrmadon early using my only 2 silver to go from steel to silver to wydmadon thinking it would be a great investment. I wanted it for the Tiki DLC map and it was helpful. But didn't use it again until I could buy the weapon at the shop anyways.
The Initiate Art scroll also does not have the brave effect, but does have higher might than iron.
And a correction to your correction. It is the hammer class. They have lots of options for sharp hammers, but hammer is the best boy.
You said it takes 37 silver to make a +5 silver upgrade, but that's only if you go one level at a time. It'd be better to just jump straight into +5 and only spend 20 silver.
Weapons are not as expensive to max as you think.
The weapon material costs are not displayed in increments. The cost of a +5 already includes the material costs of previous levels. If you go +1 the cost of all other levels will reduce accordingly.
Gold in this game unless you cheat and fast forward your switch clock to grind paralogues is probably the only part I find that makes smiting too expensive early game. Using gold without cheating to Smith or buying and wasting seals carelessly is an easy way to softlock your progress even on normal mode unless again you cheat lol.
@@RaidenKaiser skill issue
@@RaidenKaiser sounds like a skill issue to me. This game is the easiest in the series
@@johnymcmuffins7898 personally I found echos to be a picnic compared to engage.
@@johnymcmuffins7898nah that’s awakening or sacred stones lol
I'm kinda glad they kept it like SoV where you can branch and forge into a specific weapon
Yeah the SoV forging system was my favorite of any game and this game following that makes me so happy.
This game seems to take a few cues from SoV. Especially being able to run around the battlefield after victory.
It’s pretty bad actually. Trying to find out what the “hidden weapons” are just robs your early crafting materials, then you get those weapons immediately anyway. Would be better if they were visible once you had a copy of the destination weapon, otherwise it feels like a completion headache.
It’s a fine mechanic really, more of a pacing issue.
@@Arcknight make a save and if you don't like it reload the save. It really isn't complex if you are not going to look anything up before hand.
Note, silver sword only needs 20 silver ore, the amount is total, not cumulative
Thanks for the heads up, there are a couple mistakes in the vid so I'm pinning a comment with the fixes!
I'd say this was an engaging guide
I swear I can't see the word Engage in the same light any more, it's forever ruined for me
The fist has brave effect only initiate arts doesn’t
As a general PSA, I would never forge Mini Bows into Iron Bows because Mini Bows allow for melee range. Instead forging them to +5 and stopping seems good. Likewise, keeping a forged Longbow around is a great idea.
wow thanks for this guide. I'm gonna share it with my friends.
The dogs fur determines the type of ingot found.
From the first areas of the game the normal dog always finds iron, the white dog always finds steel and the black dogs always find silver. And this is after every battle for the most part, including paralogues and skirmishes. Take advantage.
I have an assortment of regular, white, and black dogs grazing, and I can tell you some correct info. The regular dog finds iron most of the time, but can indeed find steel and silver every once in awhile. The white dog finds steel more often than the regular dog, but can still finds iron more often than steel, and silver sometimes. And the black dog finds silver more often than the first two dogs, but still finds iron and steel more often than silver.
@@Naticus I’ve been testing this recently and I can also back up this information. They all can find Iron, Steel, and Silver, but there does tend to be a trend as described.
As an extra side note, silver is the best item for these dogs to find because you can trade one piece of silver in for either 90 pieces of iron or 9 pieces of steel. Since silver isn't really used until later this is far more reliable than the drops from skirmishes
Glad to see everyone reaching the same conclusion here, I thought brown/white/black did give unique drops, until one time I needed Iron and literally only got silver from my 5 dogs, only 2 were black. At that point, I figured it might be more likely to just say dogs give ores, not specifically iron/steel/silver.
Only 1 iron ? Or is it more
Having a fist unit with a shielding and a flash art is actually fun because there is such a difference between both interchangeably. Makes the unit feel extremely versatile
Yeah it clicked for me around chapter 12, I noticed the dogs drop ingots out of all the animals and immediately replace all the animals with dogs and they have been dropping them consistently ever since
Same. I saw that dogs dropped ingots, double checked if anything else dropped anything decent, and went full in on dog power.
Getting a high luck Anna will help immensely in funding the forge
ive found 59 is the cap for Annas luck
Ive put way to much time into her.
It's a little sad that some the more out there and unique refines and upgrades from SoV like the Rhomphia, Saurion, or Ilwoon didn't made it in. Most of the weapon lines are pretty uninteresting mostly consisting of Iron, Steel, Silver, Brave with magic and killing branches. Daggers, Tomes, and fists got the worst of it in terms of creative forging.
To be fair, some of the more unique weapons from SoV were kinda lackluster. Using Rhomphia for example, it's practically a strict downgrade from its source weapon the Ridersbane for most of the game. The real standouts in SoV are the Killer Bow and the Rapier.
That said, I do like the weapon evolution system they've got here.
I was hoping there would have been a magic refine option for daggers as the only thing thieves can't deal with is armored units, they can dodge them well enough but they do almost nothing to them, even at silver. Gets even more dangerous when backup units get involved.
Is this game good to play ?
the game play is one of the best of the series, but the story is a lovely mess
Something to note about the martial arts weapons is that their damage is based on half of strength and magic combined. Usually, weapons are either strength only or magic only. Magic weapons like Levin Sword are magic only. So, if you think emblem/bond rings that give both strength and magic are kind of lacking, you can put them on a martial arts user to leverage both stats. Any might bonuses help since most of the martial arts weapons are brave effects. Gets crazy when you hit people 4-8x in a row.
Gold has been a real hassle to obtain in this game. How are you going about farming it? The corrupted gold I feel doesn't give that much and the other one is through training skirmishes along with high luck Anna.
I haven't been farming it, but at some point it's not really worth enhancing your regions. Brodia might be the only one because it increases post battle metal drops but the other regions don't give you anything worthwhile and the money is wasted on them
I personally find Iron Daggers +5 a very solid investment too, it's basically better than silver with less weight and less expensive and you can even get it very early on to carry you through the mid game
It's great until you can do steel, then there's no reason not to do steel daggers
Dude I turned lapis into a thief because her front line from the getgo is so weak. Turns out she's super strong as thief, probably even better than Yunaka
Choops bullied me into watching this.
Thanks for the content. There are so many upgrade/temp buff systems in the game. Watching guides like this while I’m out/driving really helps me enjoy the game when I sit down to play instead of racking my brain/googling stuff to make sure I don’t waste resources.
Sure thing, glad you enjoyed it!
I haven't delved much into forging yet but I'm so grateful for this video!
I am in late game for maddening. Fist weapons are clutch against range. They will break any ranged dagger, tome, and bows, which can really come in handy.
Those dagger wolves are fierce. High speed and attack while not being broken by all the main damage types
Dogs are a forge best friend.
You'll have to pry my cat farm from my cold dead hands
Silver sword +5 requires exactly what it says its not cumulative its actually subtractive.
If you.get a lower rank you pay less for the higher ranks
Shielding Art is great for staff users who have crap STR. +5 DEF makes a unit quite a bit tankier vs melee units, especially if they aren't going to do a lot of damage anyway.
You can also do skirmishes as they appear and the dogs will produce resources after each one... pretty cool
I hope somebody finds this helpful.
The video stated it takes 38 Silver to get a Silver Sword from base to +5 by totaling up 1+2+5+10+20 for each step.
This is not correct. 20 is the number of silver it takes to go directly from a Silver Sword to a Silver Sword +5. Same with the other materials and gold.
Think of it this way: A Silver Sword +5 is a Silver Sword that contains 20 pieces of Silver. A Silver Sword +3 is a Silver Sword that contains 5 Pieces of Silver. So to make a Silver Sword +3 into a Silver Sword +5 requires adding 15 more pieces of silver, since it already has 5.
The game uses this interface pretty consistently throughout the game. You can see this in the arena raising bond levels, or using SP to purchase Emblem skills. Speed+1 I think costs 100SP. Speed +2 costs 200SP. But if you have speed +1 already, it will only cost an additional 100SP to get speed +2.
Very helpful, I've fixed the misunderstanding and pinned a comment with the mistake!
When looking at this, it’s sad seeing a lot of the S-Tier weapons being mostly unattainable
I ended up just guessing correctly for all the weapons by just looking at the stats lol
To be fair to the daggers, they do seem to get the most forge benefits from actually dumping resources into them.
My Yunaka has an iron Dagger+5 for average schmucks, and a silver one (also +5) for bosses, though i could easily get away with just the iron one.
It's extremely helpful since my game just came in the male today.
I have to wait about 30 or so minutes cause got to wait till it comes home.
I got a question what does Smash do?
I know what break does but what about smash.
It will push the unit you attacked one space after combat
@@tbahr123 OK thanks I didn't know.
@@Jetbladewarrior if the enemy you smashed is pushed back against a wall or another unit (player, enemy or ally) it will also break their weapon
Smash knocks them back if they hit something they end up in break status.
@@barcster2003 Ah gotcha.
You do realize you could've saved before spending the resources then reloaded after showing them.
You can save yourself some time on the video editing by just unequipping things. You don't see the Sprites on the lists if they aren't attached to anyone
I didn't want to re-record it haha, but yes, in an ideal scenario you would be right!
@ 4:20 - yes Lances have a smash weapons. They're called Great Lances
It's time to turn this place into a dog shelter!
Anyone upset there’s no darkness? Flux Fenrir ):
Your videos a finely made but you really gotta work on your info. You are spouting some misinformation at some weird points. For example in your Anna video you tried to stack the luck +12 inherited skill with with the +12 from the ring but only got +8. That’s because inherited and ring skills that are the same don’t stack so it gave you the +8 from the ring since it was the optimum setup. And then in this video, find this one more egregious, as you said it would take like 38 silver ingots to max out a specific weapon. That’s not what happens at all if you do a partial upgrade it removes any ingots used for that from higher upgrades. Also the arts almost all day they attack twice besides the initiate. Again your videos are good you just should double check your info.
They DO stack, I've tested this myself. There is a limit to how much blue stats you can have on your unit, and it's +20 in each stat. If you don't believe me try it yourself. Go use Eirika at bond 10 who gives +10, and then use the Luck +12, the Eirika ring will only give you +8.
Yeah, the ingots mistake was my bad, and I corrected that in the pinned comment.
Nice video. Would you be willing to make a video for best weapons to engrave ? And how said engravements might work best for certain classes.
This game is a bit to interface heavy for my liking.
Seems to be a topic a lot of people want to hear about so yeah, I can do that one relatively soon I think!
I also had already been using a lot of dogs for my forging and had looked at most of the weapon branches then thanks to this video. I just watched this to see any I may have missed or haven't yet seen.
Also you should definitely do a tutorial on the bond rings or potentially show off the extra skills on some of them. Like there is one that can make Thunder tomes attack twice.
The way this person says iron is driving me crazy.
Also, a forging guide that ignores daggers are the best thing to forge because they get +2 might for each level invested? Smh.
It's a bad habit I picked up as a child playing Runescape that never changed, people say things differently sometimes 😜
Is there any point upgrading a sword (for example) to +1/+2/+3 etc, if you plan to upgrade it to a new weapon? I'm guessing it won't keep any plus modifiers? Will it make the transformation cost any less? If not I guess you'd be better off transforming a new un-upgraded weapon?
Nope, you should just go straight to the new weapon, you don't keep any of the +1/2 values and you'd be wasting resources.
Some of the other fist weapons in your inventory have that brave description as well
Yeah, only the initiate one doesn’t I think
@@tbahr123 initiate and shield are the only ones without the brave effect
Yup, you're right, the wording on it is weird and not the same across them all so I got it mixed up. I've fixed it in a pinned comment, thanks!
@@tbahr123 sheild doesn't either but it gives +5 defense.
Not entirely related, but anyone else feel like smash weapons were intended for defending and not attacking? I've tried using them and I feel like using them to attack is far too risky with the speed cap being 40s to 50s that its honestly not worth it when enemies are set to always attack first when you're using smash weapons. The only possible exception I can think of where smash could be used offensively is if tempest trial augments on rival weapons works to boost evasion and even then I'm not 100% that's worth it.
They are useful if someone breaks the enemy or if you aren't killing with it (and the weight doesn't change doubling). Smash weapons are also the only way to break armors pretty sure.
Also as a high mt weapon for certain emblem attacks (like Sigurd's)
thanks for the guide, it put into perspective whether i should be holding out my silver ore for later game weapons or if liberation and FEH weapons are worth upgrading.
Poison doesn’t do damage to foes… it increases the damage they receive.
Meanwhile me who spent all his money on donations
How do you called your video is guide.. when you censored it everything what we need you to guide us?
I only censored the characters, you don't need any of that for what I'm saying lol
I’m surprised that they don’t have Bolt Axe or magic fists. We just had them in FE3H, so I’m sad that they don’t have it here. They’re probably saving it for DLC or a free update.
Hurricane axe is a 1 range smash weapon that hits with magic defense for axes. Magic fists you're right, they're not in
There is a magic fist. It's a very late game emblem weapon. But if you don't count emblem weapons, than yeah. No magic fists sadly.
You'd be surprised how effective just +2 iron will be. I'm still using iron and low tier weapons with few refines and engravings. They are wrecking silver weaponed enemies after chapter 12
great guide but please fix your pronunciation of “iron”
LOL
I thought elsurge goes to nova
You havent seen any ice magic? Where is my dark magic?
I desire the heavy power of Flux and it's brotherhood.
Silver weapons are good but should go to brave weapons or just stick to lvl 3 Silver weapons?
I feel like Brave Weapons are fairly underpowered in this game until they're maxed forged, and that's quite expensive. Whereas Silver weapons at +2 or 3 are quite strong, so I'm leaning towards silvers myself.
I made a brave sword of of my silver sword and so far it's not really worth it. Upgrading the silver sword seems much better use of resources.
High Str and Speed characters can make Brave weapons work on enemies with middling defense, as being able to to double an enemy lets you get 4 hits in all. For higher defense enemies, you want big alpha damage and, if possible, high crit
It’s dumb how it doesn’t explain that you don’t always get gold from a battle and the donations are pretty much your main source of income and I’m upset I didn’t realize until late game
Really appreciate the video.
Have to say though, "I-yun" sword not "I-Ron" sword
This helped a lot as some of the weapons I wasn't too sure what they would be or how much better they would be compared to my + weapons
could you make a guide on how to gain money quickly?
I wish there was an easy way to gain money fast, but I can try to look into it!
Thank you for the spoiler free guide! I appreciate it!
Thanks for helping with the game mechanics. My first playthrough on hard classic, but I didn't use or understand any of: weapon forging, good units and suitable units for them, optimal emblem pairings, inheritance and kept swapping people in and out so everyone was underleveled.
Playing on maddening now and finding the game far easier Actually using all this stuff lol. I don't know how I managed to play the game without canter...
Just realized yesterday Alear has martial arts gonna use that when able to
Oh snap! I'm still in the early game so I haven't played around much with forging.
4:23 how do you get that weapon? Im fine with spoilers, as I've beaten the game, but ive never seen that weapon
Yeah, forging felt much easier than FE:TH
The way he says iron hurts my heart...
It isssssss what it isssss
I know this was probably tedious for you, but thank you for explaining all this
You do not total all of the costs to upgrade. as you upgrade all future upgrades get cheaper - The same mechanic applies to inherent skills and SP costs.
Basically you can go ahead and upgrade early
Yeah, I fixed that in the pinned comment, it's an unfortunate lapse haha
shield fists turned my Framme from a healer into a heavy armor in the relay trials. she literally was the only reason i finished a three map trial with my sanity in tact. my heavy ended up getting one shot by mage i didn't account for properly so framme had to take up the job and it was much more effective than i imagined since her defense stats aren't too bad anyways. add that i gave her tiki for emblem bracelet and i had a tank that blasted up to 4 enemies at a time.
Why would a silver sword need 38 silver to max? The material cost per level aren't additive. Normal silver sword to silver sword +5, only requires 20 silver
It's only 20, I made a mistake and it's corrected in the pinned comment!
I'm a few days late, but I did want to point out that it's completely possible to use forging in order to get a Bolganone and Thoron tome before chapter 9. They only cost a total of 200 Iron 20 Steel and 1 Silver each (plus 4k gold). It is absolutely worth it, because you can auto promote Citrinne after chapter 7 and she can use both at that point. This is easily the best thing to focus on in Maddening first since it's just so useful.
I like the shielding art for seadall so that he just gets a teensy bit more durability in case i have to end turn with him in enemy range
Dogs will produce ingots also if you go thru a map on the tower
was to complicated to add such a crafting methode in fates
I thought this would also talk about engraving
In hindsight I guess that makes sense, I could possibly include it in another video down the line
This was very helpful, I hate when even after you have the weapon it's still ???
To be honest they should also make some killer version of the daggers and fists maybe called: Killer Dagger and Killer Art
The 1 range daggers have higher crit rate
@@LinkKing7 true but maybe for throwing knifes aswell?
@@gideonantonissen6275 it’s probably on purpose for balance
@@bunkflunk they're already like the strongest class outside of gamebreaking builds
I remember 3H had Killer Gauntlets (they're great on a meme melee Lysithea :p) so it's weird to hear that there isn't an equivalent body art in Engage
Kind of crazy that you can't forge a Hand Axe. So... yeah. Nuts.
You can buy them fairly early on in the normal shop I believe so that's why I guess
What is the differences between Avo & Ddg ?
Avoid is for the chance of dodging an attack, and dodge is for avoiding critical hits
Huh… for some reason I never scrolled down to realize you can scroll down to forge your weapon into a completely different one lol. I like that, pretty similar to echoes though the gold and iron aren’t as tough to come by. So you can make some pretty cool weapons like levin swords pretty early
Thanks for the guide!
Any time, glad it was helpful!
Wow I've never heard someone pronounce Iron like "eye-ron" before 😂Not everything is meant to be pronounced exactly how it's spelled. But overall great guide, thanks! Definitely took some notes.
It's an old habit from when I was a kid and didn't know any better and it just stuck haha. As they say, old habits die hard
@@LinkKing7 Haha no worries! Had just never heard that before and found it fascinating.
5 dogs gives u silver? idk about this, thx
4:50 I believe you might be off. Take a look at your Silver. You’ve only 14 but it says you can +4 the weapon. I don’t think the costs are additive but are actually cumulative.
Yeah, I corrected it in the pinned comment, it's cumulative you are right
This was very helpful thank you!
How do you get Anna's weapon?
It's a promotion with Fire Emblem Heroes, if you get the code from that game and put it in the eshop I believe you can get the Heroes weapons and bond rings.
Possible spoiler-
Surge does have a third version but I’m not sure if it can be forged. The tome is Nova but they changed how it works, but you can tell based of the appearance that it’s supposed to be the Surge tome.
Isn't that one just the brave tome with 1-2 range? I remember seeing it on the weapon list but it felt like it didn't belong
@@LinkKing7 yeah it looks similar to the surge tomes in both battle effects and model so it seems like its intended to be the ultimate surge tome but they changed how it works entirely for some reason
what would happen if you change steel sword +5 into silver sword ? is it possible ? will it be silver sword +0 ?
It is possible and yes it starts back at 0
Spend your gold to max out investment to lv5 for each region, because it will spawn gold corrupted enemies which gives you more gold in return, as well as MULTIPLY Resource gains several times over, like Bond Fragments which is vital for upgrading and reducing the grind in some sense if you want to make S ranked Bond Rings.
The only region I would consider maxing is brodia. The corrupted enemies don't really give a lot of gold, and I'd rather just hold on to my gold and use it on weapons rather than have to grind for hours.
There is a video by Choops on how to get S rank rigs easier, in my experience, you really don't need them and the bond rings you get are more than enough.
@@LinkKing7 I linked the Nintendo account via Fire Emblem heroes mobile game and got the free weapons and bond rings that are just as good. Then uninstalled the app.
Plus happened to check out the 10 ring set in the spur of the moment and there was 2 S rank rings with abilities, so I chose the two 'Renewal' skills.
Funny that Brave sword is enough to make a fe fan click
I like to think that sometimes I know what I'm doing, but in my defense, it isn't complete clickbait!
is there any point upgrading from 1 tier to the next if both are available in the shop?
I think it saves you a bit of money depending on the weapon, but I'm not entirely sure on the numbers exactly
Are you pronouncing iron like that purposely or is that an accent thing
That's just how I've always said it, idk why haha. You're not the first person to mention this 😂
Didn't play three houses so what is smash? I see that the great weapons have it built in but they can't make follow ups nor attack first even when you initiate. Seems kinda only good on heavily armored units. Also how does that work with vantage?
It pushes units back a space if you successfully land the hit. Vantage should work fine on enemy phase, the weapon effect is only a player phase nerf because they're so strong!
@@LinkKing7 Their high Mt also lets them do a lot of work for emblem attacks that take a percentage of the characters total damage.
Another tidbit on smashing is that if the enemy is blocked from moving by the smash hit, they will get broken, no matter the class. Which lets you get a free attack in while avoiding any retaliation.
Eye-rin sword 😂😂
Question, I made a +4 Iron Lance. If I were to instead want a steel lance, should I just turn a standard one into steel and keep the +4? Because the +4 is doing a lot of work
Yeah, just turn a standard one into the steel one. The +4 will start as a +0 Steel lance. I'd turn the Iron Lance into a Killer LAnce over Steel if you can afford it though, those will be good all the way into the end game because of their high crit
@LinkKing7 And thank you for the advice on this comment as well.
Didn't expect such a quick response and from yourself as well.
Where are the long range tomes? I keep on reading that Meteor is available, but whenever I talk to people they say it isn’t available for blue units. Is Meteor or Bolting available?
I've seen that it's in the game, but I haven't gotten it myself or seen it in gameplay yet. I have to finish the game to confirm it myself, but it seems like it IS in the data
@@LinkKing7 Yeah, I'm almost done with the game, and I have only seen Meteor from enemy units. I haven't found it myself. I want to make my Citrinne even more broken than she already is lol
How the hell do you get Anna axe and alfred sword?
Gotta link with Fire Emblem Heroes
Adopted animals drop mats after every battle
for your next guide, do a money making guide: max out Anna's luck and have her solo maps for max profits $$$$
That actually sounds hilarious!
@@LinkKing7 the funny part is, it works lol, though you'll run into the issue of Anna maxing out her level and pushing the skirmish levels too high for the rest of your team lol.
This was a great guide. Ive been upgrading my weapons but never knew you can create different weapons time to make some killer weapons
Silver-hand Arts DOES have the initiate combat twice perk like the flashing-hand just so people don't think they have to rush straight into it!
He might have thought different like the + defense one doesn't have it.
Excuse me what
Why is Fólkvangr in this game
_Why are the Askran Trio weapons in this game_
Trying to rope FEH fans in via crossover. Wait until you find out about the leaked DLC characters...
@@LinkKing7 _God, the jokes write themselves..._
thanks for not spoiling anything and providing a good guide
You're welcome, thanks for the support!
Thanks for the guide!