ALL UNIQUE CLASSES Guide for Fire Emblem Engage! All Unique Skills and Growths Explained!
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Generic Classes video: • Complete CLASS PROMOTI...
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:51 Alear
2:30 Alfred
4:06 Celine
6:34 Diamant
8:22 Alcryst
9:56 Ivy
11:53 Hortensia
13:21 Timerra
14:53 Fogado
16:42 Seadall
17:21 SPOILER UNIT
19:20 Outro and Conclusion
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Hey guys, a few corrections, as per usual:
1- I just spent a bit of time testing Timerra's Sandstorm and I can CONFIRM it is NOT True Damage. The way the skill works is that her defense is multiplied by 1.5 and then replaces her strength stat entirely. After that, you can add her weapon might on TOP of that strength, and that's how the damage calculation works. The way it's explained in the video is CORRECT. If Timerra has 20 defense, her strength becomes 30, and if using a 5 might weapon then her overall physical attack becomes 35 and then it's compared against the enemy's defense stat.
2- Diamant's Build growth in the video should be 20%, no idea why it's showing as 0, I think that might have been an export error, my bad! Looks like this also happened to Alcryst and Fogado as well, they both have a build growth of 10%.
3- I'm aware Alear's divine dragon class has Engage perks, I didn't go through each one because there are a TON of engage rings, and then 5 bracelets too so that would've taken years, but yes, he gets nicer effects with each ring if you want to explore than option. I'm not saying the class is BAD, just that there ARE alternative side grades to it!
It may just be Fogado just counter attacking, and deleting enemies since I skip alot of combat, but I think he still triggers 'Back at You' damage even if he dodges, can't confirm
Timerra is really a weird unit because her design, appearance, personality, background, growths and even class; none of them lend themselves to her being a tank. I honestly don't know what Intsys was trying to do here. Like you, I was also really disappointed, but after disliking Fogado on the spot, I decided to try and make at least 1 Solm royal work. I snatched that Ike ring off immediately for Diamant and gave her Eirika. No stat items or anything and *somehow* she is doing great? I have her as some sort of doubling tank. Sandstorm basically, like most of these unique skills except Luna, doesn't matter 90% of the time. She's basically a better Alfred with 1 less mov.
Note: something I learnt recently, skills like Sword Power and Bow Focus do NOT apply when a ring is equipped. They *must* be inherited. It's a real shame since they cost soo much SP to unlock. I'm confused by that IntSys decision
@@degreeskelvin3025 Given how easy it is to reach level 5 of the power skills through bond training, +10 damage to your 3 already strong melee units using already strong emblems, by mid-game, would be broken as hell. As much as that would be kinda awesome, it's also pretty ridiculous when you think about it.
Thank you for correcting/testing. Can you please pin the comment for other readers? Took me a min to find it.
@@Dachaz1234 that's odd that it unpinned itself, I have repinned it!
Something I don’t get: Timerra has several supports where she goes on about how much she loves riding wolves… but she doesn’t get a mount, imagine how much cooler and Versatile Timerra would be if she fought alongside a wolf.
You can make her a Wolf Knight, i think.
One of her retainers is a Wolf Knight so I’d assume she would have access to wolves
@@tehnoob19 yeah, just gotta get Leif to hand over knife proficiency again. Though I want to question why they have wolfs in the desert though. Just a thought I have
It's like how Beruka is an assassin but rides a giant dragon and uses axes.
@@korinoriz Peri and Beruka should be AT LEAST an outlaw or axe fighter, assasin is off the list due to it being a hoshidan class which sucks for them
One weirdly effective thing i found with Fogado was Radiant Bow, since his magic is almost as good as strength
And Levin Sword
Oh ! I've done that too !! I gained the hero bow and saw it was magic based and the bow user with the most magic i had was Fogado !!
Currently on Chapter 20 and yeah, Radiant Bow surprisingly does the most damage even more than silver bow for me
Yeah he’s been really good with the radiant bow on my playthrough. (Although i have him with Byleth’s ring most of the time.)
Killer sword and bow, radiant bow, Levin sword and Leif adaptable enemies tend to break themselves against him.
Give him vantage and wrath and he can become an enemy phase monster
Timerra's Def% skill is like a secondary crit stat its absolutely insane to me
Thing is, She's almost useless without it. She really only becomes viable late game, which is a tad disappointing.
@amanasd26 I disagree she can almost promote immediately and she so fast tanky
Honestly she's a bit like Anna and Jean if u put a bit of effort and Ike on her she's an absolute monster, she gets some hits to charge wrath, one shots mages and if u get a sandstorm + crit (which u will get a lot trust me) it just one shots everything
I’m so sad for my Diamant. My Alfred is actually very well rounded, but Diamant got bad rng. Lacking in literally every stat… Alcryst is one of my best units, I love him. He completely outclassed his brother in defense and strength, which is just… wow
A thing you didn't mention in the bios are the class types. For example Céline class is mystic which ignore terrain when using magic which is something that Ivy and Hortensia' personal classes as well as mage knight lacks.
Also I do believe the Levin Sword ignores terrain when Céline uses it since since it's a magic weapon as well as certain engage weapons like Blutgang
I hear a lot about Timerra and Ike, but personally I like pairing Timerra with Eirika and an evasion-engraved Killer Lance. She dodges everything, and will proc a crit/Sandstorm frequently enough that she becomes a wonder enemy-phase unit. Just throw her out there, especially on pillars/forest/whatever, and enemies will flock to her. What doesn't die can be swept up next turn.
I use a similar strategy! I gave her lance agility +5 since her crits are much less reliable than Sandstorm, and gave her both a slim lance +5 and the S level lance. She's a sort of "omni-tank". She has more or less equal speed and defence so she tanks what she doesn't avoid and avoids what she doesn't tank. Her res is okay enough to not get killed too fast by magic, and she doesn't get doubled too often. She's the rare case of a GOOD balanced unit
Timerra is just awesome with her skill i use her all the time same with Ivy and Hortensia
For the [REDACTED] last unique class you missed a lot of things. Ditch their unique tome as it weighs them down so much and stick to their unique dagger because it does magic damage and pairs well with their monstrous magic stat. Also, because it's a Dragon class you can do stuff like throw Corrin or Camilla on them to have access to every Dragon Vein ability at once and turn them into the ultimate support unit that isn't everyone's favorite dancer.
Give her Soren , vantage plus and hold out plus and she becomes practically immortal.
@@nightcloud2014I mean I think that’ll work on anybody lol
You could also use the rEdAcTeD emblem ring on them, since being a dragon gives you another Omni boost
The very second I realized that this class was dragon byleth was on them in a instant
i actually did the opposite with her and focused on her unique tome due to its crit rate. i'm going all in on her crit rate to have an actual critical magic unit, which is further complimented by her being paired with celica. it's kinda really nice on armor units
For Diamant in Successeur, I never had a problem with low DEX. He was one of my strongest units.
For the only low Hit% weapons he used - Tomahawk, I just engraved it and he had 100% against almost every enemy.
It was more so to comment on his low Sol proc rate
@@LinkKing7 For sure.
If Sol proc'd more often, he'd be a fantastic frontline unit, which is clearly what they were going for.
There are some videos making the rounds titled something like "Certified Diamant moment" where he gets dogpiled, gets loads of crits but never procs Sol and ends up dying to Backup attack spam.
I think some of these classes have weird stats because they expect you to be using emblem rings to increase their strengths. They basically account for stat differences from common emblem rings you would use for each respective character. Like Ivy, she is super slow but Lynn is meant to make a character faster. Nothing else really complements between the two, but I think that's the direction they were taking these wonky growths. Same with Timerra, she gets Ike who gets defense boosts and gets raised defenses as the character takes damage.
That would make sense. Although it leaves Diamont with Roy as a strange outlier since Roy does nothing to patch up Diamont's skill. I guess if I stretched my mind, Roy gives more damage and more damage means healing more from Sol? It be a better roundabout justification.
@@neog8029 Yeah, not going to perfectly shore up weaknesses for everyone. Roy helps keep Diamont alive until he can get off a Sol with Hold Out. As you said, being stronger means a better heal from Sol but overall Roy doesn't help Diamont statwise; I'd say the pairing is just to help Diamont hit harder and survive an attack until he can get a lucky Sol.
For me, sandstorm has been really good. It can proc every hit, and with Ike and defense plus it almost always kills
Something about [REDACTED] class that gets missed is with access to dragon you get the best use of Celica which grants that unit +1 to range when using echo that with access to thorn and more importantly Nova let's them shell out a ton of dmg from a safe distance. Their unique skill let's them engage more often to make use of echo more freely between that and [REDACTED] emblem that refreshes engage meter really fast.
I guess they made the Hector ring with Alfred in mind:
Hector comes from an alternate Firene
He is buff and Alfred is really into that
Hector gives Alfred lots of defense and quick riposte which turns Alfred with a refined Wo Dao or Spear into a fearsome tank
There is a viable Timerra crit build that leans into Sandstorm hard with an upgraded Brave Lance. You can get both Sandstorm and Crit to proc at the same time. But even if you don't, quadding something gives you lots of proc chances such that her damage output becomes pretty damn consistent. Give her Sigurd for more Dex + Momentum and Canter for good times.
It sounds like it can definitely work, but I think you really need to hit that defense cap, and idk if we have an emblem ring that gives both dex and defense, I'd have to look into it.
I don't doubt that she can be good, I'm just kind of questioning why a defense scaling unit doesn't have a high defense cap. Her damage isn't true damage so it's balanced but yeah, idk she's weird
@@LinkKing7 would hector work for that?
@@LittleMissZackyVee Yup!
Hortensia is the mvp of my run with her +1staff range preserving staffes after a 5 unit rewarp or 4 unit warp with Micaiah.
Hortensia is stupid good, her combination of support, mobility, res tankiness, and chip damage make her very well rounded.
I will say for Alear, griffin knight be their best class because they have access to convoy and you can use a variety of different staves and not limited to 5 slots. Not to mention you still have access to liberation. It is only c rank staves but a lot of the status/healing ones are c(can’t use warp thou)
Hmmm I’ve not thought about that . Just gotta level up Micaiah’s ring
Also, just getting Pepsiman into the air can make a bunch of maps easier, since getting them to talk to whoever can happen immediately, rather than taking a bunch of time.
Saphir immediately comes to mind
It's so funny to me. I've been wanting to love timerra and felt like I just didn't understand the appeal or how to use her. I looked up guides on her and fell flat on information. And this comment section to my surprise has a lot of timerra tips lol Thank you all!
Just to note, her damage isn't true damage, I just tested it, otherwise yeah, the Timerra fans have come out in droves!
@@LinkKing7 Indeed, seeing so many Timerra fans defending her makes me want to give her class another chance at some point lol
See, Celine's dex cap still means when you hit it she's got around a 1/4 chance to get it per hit, I've never had any issues with her damage at any point in the game, if you really want consistency with her getting Ignis off just slap an Emblem that gives her some extra dex, like Soren if you have the DLC or Eirika if you dont.
A thing about diamant is he compensates with his weapon ranks; he can use brave weapons in both weapon types which doubles his chances at Sol.
IMO I think hero might be the better class for him given the secondary weapon type is mainly going to be access to 1-2 range weapons and weapon triangle control. It's very unlikely he's going to need both a silver/brave sword and a silver/brace axe.
This hits a lot of Diamant's unique class on the head the other is that I noticed is his build growth/maximum. This lets him hit the same as a Great Knight or a Warrior allowing him to carry those massive weapons that he has access to with ease while preventing doubles with his higher speed (either cap or growth) than those classes allow.
@@sam7559 his unique class has A in axes so he can use Tomahawks, Hero's are locked to C in their 2nd weapon slot, so at that point you are picking on if you want the Hero skill or access to better weapons.
Alfred’s biggest problem is that his base spd and bld are terrible(6 spd 6 bld) and his growth/class doesnt compensate for that
Yeah he was having a hard time not getting doubled for me. And even then, the strength was hardly high enough to compensate for that. His defense was doing pretty well for me but so was everyone else’s and especially Louis’s
@rhettmitchell Yeah, I think Louis is the real trouble of trying to use Alfred. You got Alfred who tries to be a tank but then Louis in the same chapter is an *actual* tank so he appeals more.
he was one of my best units early on but he ended up falling off pretty hard, his defense is good and his strength is decent but he was SO slow it was genuinely hard to use him
@auggy69 I found he became immensely useful with Eirika. I forced myself to use everyone's unique class so I found that the Lotus skill mixed with the Eclipse Bracelet often let Alfred heal way more than he was hit for.
Your take on timerra is mind boggling to me, shes been my 2nd best unit with a wide gap to my third. If you leave her paired with egg, the emblem defense, plus the defense that comes with Ragnall is foolish and she has a very good resistance, making her great aethers absurd especially since each hit can trigger sandstorm and when it does she just one shots anything not in a full suit of armor
Who’s Egg? “Paired with egg”
I think they meant ike since the reference ragnall
@@Commodore468 ooh you’re right, that’s obvious now 😅 idk how that threw me off so bad when the context was so clear lol
@@joeyjose727yeah idk if that’s a reference I’m not getting or just a typo lol
I did admit I didn't get to experiment with her much, so maybe I need to take her for a proper spin and see, but the way sandstorm works feels weird to me in conjunction with how her stat caps are distributed defensively. I'll give her a shot, maybe I'll find something interesting to make another video about!
I'm surprised you have such mixed feelings on Timera's class. Sandstorm IMO is the 2nd best unique class skill behind Luna. It adds True Damage and 150% of her Def is massive. I paired her up with Ike who passively grant a ton of Defense as well. One time I was enemy phasing with her and she was facing an armor knight using a non-refined killer lance. She was gonna do a pathetic 3 damage, however, she did proc a crit. Now normally that would do a measly 9 damage but Sandstorm triggered and that true damage is also calc'd into criticals, so it went from a projected 3 to in the 90s. The only drawback I can see is its fairly infrequent proc rate. This is all coming from my maddening run, so I recommend giving Emblems like Ike or Hector which really bolster's her Def stat.
Also, can we all just say Ivy's Grasping Void skill is the most useless thing to have happened. Why didn't they make it based off her own Magic rip
I'm going to assume that grasping void aim was for her to have an anti hybrid/magic unit skill... problem is those aren't usually a problem anyway or units that she will have trouble killing...
Nah those 2-3 bonus power makes her one turn most enemies in my experience
Sandstorm is bonkers. Timera suddenly decides to just delete the enemies healthbar and their entire generational timeline through breaking all laws of physics.
However: its so much inconsistency to call this a viable tactic because you can either proc it on any attack or never.
Reliable tactics strife towards eliminating every random variable and that setup just mixes it up (fits her personality though)
When a skill can make a 0 damage hit turn into a 10 damage hit; you know the unit can be useful in every situation.
I'm sorry, Sandstorm is TRUE DAMAGE!?
I thought it was it used 150% of Def instead of Attack to calculate damage. Boy do I feel dumb.
Put Resolve on Timerra and profit. The +5 to def/res makes her soooooo tanky. She really only takes actual damage from bosses once Timerra starts snowballing
I think the biggest thing about Alear is that being in Divine dragon is only really good if you REALLY want to use him with a certain type of emblem that has really good benefits for it's unique Dragon class type, IE, Camilla's which in my opinion turns him into a monster when you need to deal some damage with higher move and flying along with Camilla's Axe, which makes him more tanky and basically feels like a physical axe that hits Res, and a solid support with usage of dragon vein
Yeah.
But, Pepsiman overall is, in my experience, a pretty bad unit no matter what. The best ways to use them are to just leave them as is for that utility on Byleth or Corrin, or get them over to a Staff class, probably High Priest, to make use of their access to the convoy to hold every staff at once.
@A Prinny On Break I had the opposite experience. Alear was consistently the mvp for most of my battles. I ran Tiki on him which gives him tons of luck and crits and makes him decently tanky.
@@SuperKOR246
I think that's Tiki talking
@A Prinny On Break you can say that about literally any character
@@SuperKOR246 that's the point.
That says nothing about Pepsiman for doing something Framme Beast Mode can do
Hey bro I’ve been watching all your engage guides and I really appreciate the videos don’t take more time than they need for the amount of information you give thanks for that.
Timera is amazing. Her skill is S tier. You need to go all in on Dex and double or quad.
I think the big thing you didn’t mention in this video is that the dragon class type has some amazing support bonuses depending on the emblem, especially with byleth and corrin. And since the only dragon classes are unique, there’s a solid argument to keep units there for just that emblem type bonus.
I've had Ike glued on Timerra even since her recruitment chapter and it works fairly well. Ike gives a lot of Defense (and Resistance), which makes Sandstorm hurt a lot. Add access to axes and swords and Great Aether and she can sweep many crowds while taking minimal damage (which hey, it's free crit chance with Wrath) and perhaps breaking or oneshotting someone.
Been playing in Hard Classic but Timerra is my highly used Lord unit in this game. Her Sandstorm ability is nothing to laugh at when it triggers. Use Chrom S bond ring for additional 5% (making potentially her trigger rate up to 60%) and have her Killer Lance +5 with + Crit engraving and you have a killer machine
Using skills to boost her Def stat also allows her to be a mini tank to hold a line alongside with other tankers.
I think the thing you forget about Alear's unique class is that it allows them to gain lots of really powerful and unique benefits from the emblems that other unit types don't receive (Corrin and Camilla's dragon veins, for example).
I agree reclassing Alear and losing dragon sounds like a huge trap. Alear's whole thing is being able to regain engage faster than the other units. I would also like to say that Liberation +5 isn't that bad of an investment early as it has 11mt which is only 1 less then a silver sword, it's super cheap to upgrade, and it ways way less (4wt compared to SS 11). So it can even help fish for faster engage bar gain.
Eeeeh.
If you aren't using Byleth or Corrin on Pepsiman though, they have serious value as a staff user, because they always have the convoy, so can pull out whatever niche staff they need.
@@hyperlucario547 Also Liberation stacks with the divine dragon skill and correct me if I'm wrong but he literally loses access to the sword if he reclasses, even if it's into a sword class. I feel like that should have been mentioned.
@@JacobNintendoNerd99 4 months late but Alear does not lose the sword upon reclass. Mine is using it as a swordmaster
For Celine, mixed growths mean that she should go into Martial Master seeing as fists scale off of both STR and MAG.
As for [redacted], the annoying thing about them for me is that you can reclass them into a Sage and improve all of ther main stats...but you lose out on cool animations.
Personally, what I did was put Leif's BLD boosts on them, so they weren't weighed down by their personal weapon.
Another point for them is that their Dragon class means you can take advantage of the stronger emblem combos like Byleth, Corrin, or Celica
no, just because Fists uses both doesn't mean it's better to go into that class. if it used both stats additively, maybe, but since it's only the average of the two, there's no advantage to Fists in terms of stats. just compared to Vidame, Base Mag will drop 4 pts and you now have to average her Str and Mag, which is lower than just the raw Mag. the 5% Mag Growth she'd gain as Martial Master won't make up for that difference. on top of that, Martial Master has 4 less base Speed... the skill doesn't contribute to damage either and locked to one range. and lastly, there's far more enemies with higher Def than Res, so it's better to be hitting Res more often than not
Big fan of these deeper dive/analysis videos!
Glad you like them!
Imo timerra was one of my best units, she's fast, has the best physical weapon type IMO, and basically becomes queen of proc something when given a killer lance, she'll either do sandstorm or crit, and even both sometimes.
I had the same issue with Timerra in the beginning, but after actualy leveling and skilling her she is almost unkillable. Slap Pair Up and Gentility+/Lifesphere++ on her and give her Hector with Brionac and she will eradicate everything with Sandstorm and crits. She has 50 Dex so you get either a crit or Sandstorm very often. I once went from 3 damage to 96 or something with a Sandstorm crit. Lyn Engrave is fantastic on Brionac
Yeah just slap on these extremely high SP skills. She's going to be lucky to see enough SP for 1.5 of those skills but unless you're saying throw all the DLC wave 2 skill books at her which yeah unit you feed all the stat boosters to is going to turn out good.
@@sam7559 she starts with enough SP to get most any skill besides the 2k sp cost ones, however i do agree, use all the dlc books on 1 character and they'll be useful no matter who it is.
@@eludeirkz7961 she starts with 1500 SP and assuming they have Timerra equip Tiki/Eirika to avoid spending 3000 SP and to have all 3 skills, she will still need 3500 more SP than base which is at least 35 levels worth of Exp for that skill set-up
@@eludeirkz7961 we're not talking about canter and something like defense+2, they're recommending some of the highest SP skills in the game which is not something you're going to at all without either grinding and/or extreme levels of favoritism
@@sam7559 She has enough SP for Pair up if you use her a bit, it costs 2000, she already has around 1500 and i never inherited any skilm before Pair Up. Gentility or Lifesphere are just add ons, even without them she can tank. You could slap Ike on her or Eirika for some extra healing. After you put some levels in her she is rather good, i just focused on Jade and Alear for most of the game so my Timerra had less levels. You can just do Skirmishes for grinding and if you have Tiki, it makes it easier. I also didn't use any of the SP scrolls yet. I did grind her yesterday, that much is true, but it didn't cost too much time, only around 1-2 hours. I don't have Lifesphere on her, that was just a recommendation. You could use Unyielding as well, that one is not DLC if that bothers you
alear’s class and skill lets you recharge your engage meter in one turn if you use fists and quad, and have your bond level high enough
The SPOILER unit has a lot of potential, and thanks to that relatively high magic base and growth, you can use her as a low speed mage archetype, similar to Citrinne and Ivy. She comes with a massive 2500 SP out of the box, so you can play around with patching her into a role that will help fill those deployment slots. Her base class is good if you decide to give her the S-rank Nova tome that you get the very next chapter, or you can slap Olwen's bond ring if you got it but dropped it in favor of Emblem rings, or even Corrin's or Camilla's ring to use any terrain. You can also opt for a more support focused build by turning her into a high priest, making her into a staff bot with good damage output, with an accordingly supportive magic Emblem like Byleth or Soren. Overall she's quite useful, with or without her class.
Céline has an accented E, so it is in fact Say-leen. If Celine doesn't have the accented E it's Suh-leen. Just saying. A lot of the names in engage are french.
It is not pronounced say-leen. At least, no Frenchman would. He pronounced it correctly in the video. É is pronounced like the German e. French E is pronounced like German Ö without an accent. You can hear it perfectly in the video here. ua-cam.com/video/Lzh3vHJa01E/v-deo.html All pronounced exactly like in LinkKings video. Do you know the singer Céline Dion? Her name is not pronounced Say-Leen either :)
@@donregelt5988 that video proves my point. The accent is facing forward not backwards. Also Celine Dion doesn't use an accented E. Here's a Google result for you:
“é” always sounds like \e\ (“ey” in “hey.”) The rising mark on top is called “un accent aigu.”
@@donregelt5988 and since we're sharing videos, heres one of a Frenchman pronouncing it for you. ua-cam.com/video/JoBnNz-hSRI/v-deo.html
Timerra ended up somehow being my best unit on hard mode. I gave her the brave lance and got really good luck on her defense growths and her sandstorm activates every time she attacks and one shots almost everything
I can confirm that after extensive usage with Timerra she is very good and salvageable. If you combine her with Emblem Hector (Yes DLC) she can tank almost anything. With quick riposte, a brave lance, and maybe a secret book or 2 Timerra functions as a very strong tank unit despite being in the Picket class. This means she can be a back up as well. Honestly one of the units that surprised me the most throughout my run
I'm going to make it a point to build her in my next run to test this out.
For Celine You could do a Martial Master build, fist weapons use the combination of (str +magic)/2. Though Chole would likely beat her in this role.
Edit: Replaced Monk with Master, had the two mixed up. Side note, Rosado might be another good candidate in the role of Martial Master.
Interesting, so she becomes a slower framme with more bulk and luck. seems like a viable role for her
On my multiple maddening runs, the best class for alear was without a doubt the wyvern knight, better strengh growth, kills more so you get more exp so your spd on endgame will still be the same as if you played divine dragon, so now you still double everything but hit harder.
Great video! One thing I would add for Alear is that while there is a lot of good reasons to reclass them (e.g., I turned mine into a swordmaster and they were great for dodgetanking and being a backup unit with dual assist) the fact that Divine Dragon is the only Dragon-type class you have access to makes keeping Alear as a Divine Dragon a valid choice. Corrin and Byleth come to mind as being particularly strong and versatile with Corrin giving you lots of options for terrain control and Byleth giving you omni-stat instruct and a 4-person dance that you can also combo with Seadall.
I think it's especially noteworthy because Pepsiman usually kinda sucks in my experience. The utility from Dragon'd Byleth or Corrin, or making them a staff bot with convoy access is so much better than trying to make them work as a combat unit
Something to take into account with Alear’s class is the dragon class type with Corrin’s ring allows you to pick whichever terrain from Dragon Vein you need at that moment.
I will say when sandstorm triggered, Timmera was doing significantly more damage. At least for me, it was proccing semi often. Not quite enough to count on all the time, but when it did work, it pretty much turned a nonkill into a kill
Tiki’s starsphere fixes everyone’s growth rate which makes timerra a top tier unit imo
I guess a lot of people already said it, but Timerra with a brave lance is stupid good, you could say she's one of the few decent duo phase units, as Sandstorm can really switch your damage output drastically, and with things like brave lances or Ike's great Aether, the number of times she gets to procc is quite considerable (probably only second to Alcryst's Luna proccs).
Cheers mate awesome guide
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Timmera is actually quite good based on what Emblem skills you have. Ike's resolve (especially if you can get resolve+) is a beast on her since that's 11 more damage on her sandstorm procs as well as making her harder to kill. Another idea I would recommend would be to make her a General for a while which can help her a lot by giving her a bit better strength growth and jacking up her defense to ensure the sandstorms when she goes back to picket hit like trucks.
Couple of things that weren't mentioned: Celine - Vidame is one of the two classes in the game that lets you access to 3 weapons, with the other one being high priest. Swords can be quite valuable to utilize the break mechanic with and set up kills for others and this game has no shortage of axe enemies/bosses. Overall my experience with Celine on Maddening fixed growth was that she's a very flexible unit and she's really good at either setting up kills (because a lot of enemies in this game have low res compared to def) or just kill with Ignis proc while also balanced enough to not get one shot'd compared to some of the other mages in this game. Alear and Veyle are the only 2 units who can utilize Corrin's Dragon Vein to whatever extent they want and having the ability to set up the map by setting 10 tiles on fire while also create 9 tiles of fog or 6 tiles of ice pillars can alleviate a lot of pain during the enemy phase. I feel like the devs made these skills to proc off dex is to balance out the game in a way where you won't be completely relying grinding and unit skills to succeed. In retrospect, some of these skills can easily break the game if the proc rate is too high just like how you could break Awakening with Galeforce and Lifetaker etc.
I feel like something that wasn't given mention with two unique classes is that they're the only dragon unit type classes in the game and thus are the only ones able to access the dragon type emblem benefits. They're the only classes that get an Omni boost with Byleth, they're the only classes that get to pick their terrain with Corrin and Camilla. [REDACTED]'s unique class skill also means if they have Byleth or Micaiah's rings then they can refresh their engage meter without an emblem tile, combat, or a skill slot for favorite food. Use Omni boost goddess dance for a strong opening at the beginning of the chapter and by the end she'll have it refreshed by the time to face the boss for example.
My Céline ended up as a physical dodge tank, it was really amazing.
Timerra is super fun, especially with Lyn at her side. Using Astra Storm and getting even one Sandstorm proc (much less all five) can absolutely annihilate units and it's pretty fun to mess with~ I'm not sure Sandstorm can proc with the other out of combat engage skills?(Great Aether and the like) But it enhances her damage massively if it goes off, even better if you give her a crit weapon and both activate💖 I also didn't know Alcryst had Luna, I'll have to try him out sometime!
Alcryst with Luna HARD CARRIES, definitely give him a shot
@@LinkKing7 I was about to say, Alcryst syncs incredibly well with Lyn. Mad range, high chance to activate Luna at the very least 2 times, his speed allows him to have Alacrity activate against almost everyone, and if nothing else the doubles are evasive enough to be used as lures/decoys for multiple turns in a row
I had both alfred and diamant run as great knights for a while and that class, lemme tell ya, it goes hard. I did decide to send them both back to their unique classes again, around the time [redacted] gets recruited but gk really improved their stats right away and they both grew really well in it. Upon reclassing back, both had about 30 defense, diamant's skill was capped, speed was still high enough to double in diamant's case, alfred meanwhile had 22 spd when reclassed back (not enough to double except armors, but not getting doubled by much either)
Timerra has okay strength and okay defence. Sandstorm is alot like Ignis in Feh. With a killer lance and some luck you can oneshot a lot of enemies. But if it doesn't trigger expect low damage numbers unless the enemy is a weak mage
I realized something huge that dramatically changed how powerful Alfred can be. That is the fact that Lunar Brace can transform to Solar Brace and Eclipse Brace when inherited on other characters outside of Eirika. So long as Eirika changes to day or is engaged. The reason why this is important for Alfred is because healing and health are both incredibly important for his Golden Lotus skill to be useful.
A very similarly functioning Laguz Fiend synergizes with health and healing in the same way, but it has self-synergy with Great Aether since it is a healing skill. Everyone knows the efficacy of Laguz Fiend and while Golden Lotus has a dramatically lower proc rate and doesn't even activate off of magic damage, the concept is still identical. That being said, there aren't many healing skills. Unyielding is useful, but it is clutch if you use it by itself as Alfred can very well just die before he can get any healing from it. I always thought Solar Brace was inaccessible since you could only inherit Lunar Brace, but once I realized it was actually possible to very easily switch Lunar Brace over to Solar Brace, a ton of strategies just open up.
I threw Sigurd and Solar Brace on Alfred and he's tanking like crazy.
I find Timmera does best with a heavy weapon in my experience she has enough bulk to take the hits and then can abouslaly rip them a new one with her counter attack. Top that off with the venom lance and even if she does not kill she makes it pretty easy for a weaker unite to finish them
I’ve had a lot of luck with Timerra honestly, granted I’m only playing hard and not maddening. Pairing her with Erika helps with her low strength (though maybe that’s saying more for Erika than her) and Sandstorm procs reliably and does a ton of damage. The FEH lance helps a lot with her low build so she can double easier.
I paired Timerra with Erika too, she really appreciates the extra damage from the lunar/eclipse skills, and her magic was fine enough to where wind sword wasn’t a bad option some of the time
Timerra is probably my highest damage unit just based off of sandstorm. I can understand if you haven’t played with her but sandstorm tends to more than double her damage and it can also proc 5x with lyn’s emblem attack.
I really feel like you're massively under rating the dragon type, with Byleth's instructs/dance giving +3 to all basic stats, and being able to use every dragon vein at will are crazy good utility that make Alear and [SPOILER] incredibly good utility units
For Alear Wyvern and any sword cavalry class are good because it allows for more mobility to position the personal skills, wyvern is the best bases and growths for him and paladin has one more positioning option, swordmaster has too low str despite the epic coat it gives you
Celine having higher str than mag makes Griffin more worthwhile than mage knight, becomes much better offensively while keeping some use for her lower mag
Timerra is pretty good in my all-girl run. Yeah, she can't do much damage outside of Sandstorm, but she's a reliable tank, and her being a backup unit also helps with passive damages. With Emblem Ike, she's nearly invincible, especially when engaged. I use her in baiting enemy reinforcements, and then pray Sandstorm procs lol.
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Haha I didn't realize it was going to upset people that much, my bad! But welcome to the family and hope to see you around more in the comments!
It's weird to see you not like Timerra as I used her as a tank to replace Louis (funnily enough I also didn't use Fogado) but give her a good lance and a defensive emblem (Ike is amazing for her obviously) and she's a really good shield that can hit back hard if you invest into a good lance (I got her assist plus and a spear) and she can be a huge wall that more often than not triggers sandstorm to completely wreck whatever goes her way she's a powerhouse for me on par with Yunaka
I really did want to like her, but by that point my Louis was a chad great knight and I had a lot of my team set in stone. I'll try her out in my next run and give her some love to see if I can really make her shine. Both her and her brother deserve some spotlight
It's really going to depend on difficulty which characters you find valuable and which ones you don't.
Someone playing Normal/Casual might not even care about Backup classes because they're one-rounding enemies, while those playing on Maddening might get super frustrated at the high health, high defense enemies that pop up all over the game that make the 10% of an enemy's health as damage backup attacks super valuable.
Timerra's great on both Normal and Maddening difficulty, but it's not because of her defense (which sadly caps low lol), but because of Sandstorm and her class being Backup. Her using a Brave Lance and doubling effectively gives her a double crit chance, which for at least a solid portion of a Maddening playthrough, will be incredible.
My Timerra is pretty really good actually. i gave her a brave lance with a crit, engrave and gave her wrath, so she would get a lot of criticals + sandstorms and basically kill all who stand in her way (i gave her hector so she doesnt die)
The Alm bond ring goes really well with Celine. I didnt have Anna set up in my first run so i gave it to her and fed her a goddess icon. Really helps her survivability IF it procs. (Hard mode btw, i know its likely bad in maddening.)
I agree that I was initally underwhelmed with Timerra, but after using her, she's pretty okay.
The thing about her class skill is that it procs on hit. It also does 150% of her defense with good defense growths. This means it's basically Luna, which you've already said was good, except you have a better chance of buffing it and it's on a melee unit. Add to it her pseudo tankiness and an appropriate emblm and she does a lot of damage. Brave weapons (for both of them) become really strong options.
The difference between sandstorm and Luna is that Luna removes half of the enemy defense. Sandstorm just uses 150% of your defense in the damage calculation. So if you have 20 defense, it treats it as 30 strength, then adds on your weapon might. So even with the high defense enemies, you still have a possibility of not touching the.
It's not unviable, it's just kind of wonky and I definitely do want to test her with the Brave Weapons at some point!
I started working on my Timerra a bit late because out of the gate she was terrible compared to my other units. However, because I’m determined to use every lord this playthrough, I came up with the plan to reclass her into a General to patch up her hp, strength, defense, and build before changing her back to Picket. To my surprise she’s starting to reclaim ground on the rest of my team despite her never going to be as invincible as Louis.
My input on Timmera is that Sandstorm is actually kinda bonkers. i've koed units in Miasma tiles just from the true damage so it kinda feels like an attempt to control the power ceiling.
Maybe mine was blessed but I ended up using her as a physical wall nuke, the best comparison I can make is like one of those walls in Pokémon without reliable ho recovery which obvs depending on her pair up can be fixed
The skill doesn't do true damage, I just did a bunch of testing on it. It works exactly as explained in the video where it uses 150% of your defense instead of your strength in the damage calculation
8:27 Glad you agree, since i saw his cutscene and his class I figured he was more than meets the eye and proved it by being one of my constant mvps
15:43 Ironically enough for me, I found fugado useful when he had a magical weapon like a levin sword or the blessed bow, he tended to do more damage for me that way
I'm kinda in that "lords on mounts" category. I got my Alear as a great knight. He hits like a truck and tanks well for me.
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An interesting thing I've done with Celine is stick her with Tiki during her base class for increased growth, then stick her with a slim sword that gave crazy avoid and used her to dodge tank. Even in Maddening I can reliability have her hold choke points, use tomes when far away, and occasionally just destroy someone when Ignis triggers. She's been especially great when paired with the Twins, allowing her to always deal damage even with a 1mt slim sword and even take advantage of the Wind Sword to deal heavy magic damage when engaged.
Well the Sandstorm skill definitely can do a lot actually, especially if Timerra is paired with Ike or the new Hector Ring. In my own file Ike was basically permanently on Louis but when Hector came out I just decided why not put him with Timerra, helps her Str and Def. Plus the Impenetrable skill when she is in Engage form with him actually does help stack Sandstorm to be even deadlier. Sometimes Timerra would go from around 15-20 damage to around 64 Damage with a Sandstorm proc.
What i did with timerra was to give her an engraved brave lance withthe roy ring for more consistent attack.
If you take into account her pretty high speed then you can consistently quad hit and proc sandstorm at least twice. Felt great as a kind of bruiser with her good defence stats
It's worth noting that Alear's unique class skill stacks with the engage meter reduction you get with any given ring you have a high enough bond level with allowing you to re-engage even faster -- but even then you have to kill about four units and you can only charge the meter whole not engaged. so if you start the mission, pop your engage, no matter how much devastation you visit upon your enemies you won't gain any charge while the ring is actually active. Meaning it will still be about seven turns before you can use it again. Three for the engage time and four for the number of enemies you have to kill after that. You might get some more kills off of counterattacks, but this is harder to control and if you're getting focus-fired hard enough to charge your engage meter back up again, you'll probably just die anyway.
Overall, even with Alear's unique skill charging up your engage meter simply takes too damn long to be useful and if a fight isn't decided after you've engaged the first time, it's probably an extended map with tiles that will let you reset your meter for free anyway.
I don't if it's just or I have insane that I don't know about but in my run Timerra's Sandstorm kept activating for me which instantly earned her a permanent spot on my main team. I paired her with Ike, gave her a Killing Lance +5, and a +3 defense skill, she basically became a crit talk and was averaging about 200 damage every 2 out three fights.
Ivy's Grasping Void helped me beat that level 20 sage during Sigurd's Paralogue. I had her paired with Corrin, lured that sage to a corner just below the castle, and locked that sage's movement down over the course of several turns (the corner also had one of those Engage meter recharge spots, so I had several turns to work with).
And that sage had a huge Magic stat, so Grasping Void actually did something.
But that fight was definitely reminiscent of when Julius + Ishtar show up in that one chapter in Genealogy.
My Timerra is amazing, I gave her the Lyn ring so she could proc Sandstorm on Astra Storm and I ended up with a physical tank that always doubles. I'm running her with Build +4 and a Brave Lance, that way she has four chances to proc sandstorm in a row thanks to Alacrity. She's definitely one of my best units.
I used Timerra kind of successfully as a tank dodger with Eirika, who has the avoid lance skill. Then you can inherit avoid or build and speed is really good so she doubles with Brionac.
Diamant's Successor class has S rank in swords and A rank in axes, which is completely unmatched by any other class that isn't enemy-only so that's pretty wild.
Veyle being Dragon type is basically the thing that makes her useful. Give her Corrin or Byleth (as I did) and reap the rewards of Dragon typing.
Cast in point, as a magic base class, she makes better use of Celica and Micaiah. Celica will boost Veyle’s Magic and give Tome Precision. Micaiah will also give Veyle more utility if you don’t plan to use her on the frontlines.
For lols give Alcryst a +5 mini bow and just use him as an avoid tank vs fliers.
Also flame lance timerra is the way to go. Sandstorm goes off of def 150%. the attack is magic and thats vs res instead of def which on average is lower than def. So... you bust through most tanks.
Her mag and str growths are equal. it entirely depends on the class you give her to choose which stat to prioritise. But yes as picket, you might need to cultivate hers somewhere else.
In my hard playthrough, I absolutely loved Timerra: maybe I was lucky for her Def growth, but combined with Ike, she was a pretty tanky frontliner who could counterattack from range 1-2 (javelin +5) for decent to massive damage id Sandstorm activated.
Alfred doesn’t really “fall off” he’s getting doubled basically immediately and is at significant risk of being one rounded even significantly early. Like he’s very likely to die in the 3rd map he’s in. To even use him you have to forgo Sigurd+Louis and Sigurd+ Louis is so strong having a single nothing unit to have Sigurd+Louis is better then Sigurd+Alfred since Alfred certainly can’t chase after the thief on his own with Sigurd he’ll die from all the fire he’s taking on the enemy’s back ranks. If anything he becomes better with time if you can get him into general going from undisputed worst unit of your squad early game to decent. He’s like a villager but unlike a villager he doesn’t become dominant if you put the effort in. Similar curve of viability if trained to Arthur in fates except arthur’s significantly better early.
My Timerra on hard mode ended up being a very competent tank. It's not obvious at first but she synergises very well with the Ike Emblem she comes with. Ike gives her Resolve and access to the Defense Skills which both boost Sandstorm damage. Defensively she took very little even from most enemies even 0 from some, and doesnt get doubled as often as classes like general because of her decent speed. Offensively, her good Dex and Speed combined with Ike's wrath and Killer lance meants she usually doubled with a high chance to either crit or proc Sandstorm, meant she one rounded most enemies even if the damage prediction wasnt anywhere close to finishing them off
Timerra is a monster with the DLC Hector emblem. He supercharges her defense and makes her an insane enemy turn unit. Heavy Attack fixes her incredibly low build, and Quick Reposte still lets her double enemy initiated attacks at full health. Don't sleep on this pairing if you have the DLC!
Timerra is, in my opinion, most likely a much better candidate for Lynn, as she also has the ability to have each of her hits trigger sandstorm, but has the big difference of making her guarenteed deal more damage off of the proc rather than Luna being rather middling from my experience. Lynn also patches up the biggest issue Timerra has as a unit which is her build, as Speed taker on top of Lynn's general bonus to speed will make Timerra double regardless of weapon weight, and that weight can be transferred into damage with Heavy attack being inheritable, as well the fact that she (along with any of the other lords) can utilize Dex +5 from Lucina in order to make sandstorm more consistent, however, this is more so a budget bandaid. She is definately really good
something else that you might want to consider is that at base even though her strength is only roughly 15 or so at lvl 5 Picket, she basically hits as if she had 2x strength since she has a little over 20 defense at level 5 as well, and there are many things that you can do in the game on your end to make sure her defense is high so that she deals the most damage possible with her procs as apposed to Luna being a "some times they will have less defense" this means that you can much more reasonably see it as a second crit chance in my eyes. Note that Sharena's bond ring has fortify defense, and Tiki has a defense and res buff that applies to the unit it is on on top of adjacent units. Even though luna is more consistent in terms of Alcryst having the highest dex growth, again, Timerra has more a more consistent bonus to make comparatively, so I feel like it is better for those reasons since luna is most impactful against units you probably shouldn't be using Alcryst to attack anyway
TLDR: I believe that Sandstorm is more impactful but a little less consistent than Luna
Alcryst's Tireur d'elite also gives +1 mov, which is nice, and I think it went unsaid in the video.
Fogoato is kind of the hard carry of my hard mode playthrough. I gave him the magic bow and he shreds armored units and can already kill most others. He has alacrity and canter on him to hit and run and take no damage and honestly, I haven't completed the game yet but he is MVP more than literally any other bow unit I have ever used including Claude which is mind boggling. Diamont and Ivy though are my favorite units and both have been very good to me. It's sad their personal skills are so unlikely to trigger but I am getting more than enough mileage out of them just because of their growths honestly so I don't really see playing through the game and not using them.
The “spoiler class” was spoiled for me during the start menu loading screen. She just cycled on through like she was a regular unit and like it wasn’t a surprise at all.
Wow, I dind't know that was possible haha
ivy's grasping void actually isn't that bad when paired with lucina and it procs somewhat often, especially on doubles. not only is she a good flier but lucina gives ivy the ability to use dual assist from a large distance and her flight helps that even further
Going off of this video it seems I got lucky with Hortensia, Ivy, Mystera and the last one.Hortensia and Ivy had their abilities activate very frequently and Mystera was basically an armour knight with good movement and the last one ended up being my third dodge tank and hit pretty hard with her dagger too.
The thing with Céline’s name is the accent on the “e” it indicates that the name is stressed on that e, while the standard English version of the name has no accent. It’s the same with the wird “naïveté”. Where the accent over the indicates that the the “e” is audible and stressed. Many languages like Greek, Irish and French make use of accents and once one understands how they work it makes learning and pronouncing these languages much easier that languages that don’t have accents.
Completely agree with this take. A lot of the special classes have that awkward dex scaling which forces you to throw in the Dex+5 skill to leverage any use out of them.
While it isn't bad for some of them, cause frankly they need the extra hit/crit rate, it sucks that you need to sacrifice a skill slot when there are so many other better skill combos in this game. All for a marginally better chance at triggering their skill and increasing hit/crit rate which is arguably more important. Alcryst is the only one in this regard that felt satisfying to use with how easily he can trigger the skill.
The trigger chance only gets reasonable with Dex+5 and the Chrom bond ring to increase the trigger chance +11% (Chrom gives +1 Dex). However again, that's another gargantuan sacrifice of not having an emblem ring or another better bond ring. It helps but sacrificing a skill slot and ring for RNG is painful.
Timerra has honestly been putting in tons of work for me. Alot of people pair her with Ike but imo Leif is perfect for her.
The build bonus helps keep her Spd stat high with how heavy spears are. Her build caps at 12 and 17 is just enough to wield Brionac with no penalty. Plus more HP is always nice and the Def adds to Sandstorm damage. Her being Backup also adds the 10% free crit bonus on Adaptable too which works great with Wrath and the free Vantage.
Her dex also caps at 50 which makes Sandstorm a decently reliable proc. It really helps boost the damage of Quadruple Attack.
2:08 This just reminds me that my level 20 Alear has only ever gotten +4 strength and all of it came through Energy drops.
Something that I actually love is something you mentioned disliking in this video -- all these unique skills that trigger off of Dex. Putting aside the low Dex caps on some of these classes, I love this idea, because it means two things -- 1) You don't have to memorize a ton of random methods of activation for different abilities like in the Tellius games, they're all pretty reliably Dex and 2) It makes Dex not a dump stat with massive diminishing returns like it has been in pretty much every other Fire Emblem game where as long as you have enough Dex/Skill to hit, you're fine and if you're in a class that gives a crit bonus having some extra is helpful, but most of your crit bonus is probably coming from your weapon for most of the game. In this game these skills are essentially a secondary crit condition based entirely on Dex % which makes Dex always valuable as a stat even when your hit rates are fine.
Just a bit of theory crafting, what if you put Timerra in a class that has higher def or dex growth and then swapped back to Picket? I found some good mileage with her inheriting Dual Assist and a refined javelin, but I think that's more of a result of her being a backup unit rather than her personal performance.
It won't make too big of a difference at the end of the day tbh. in the General class she's have 10% higher defense growth which is one extra point every 10 levels, not really worth it IMO
Timerra was an absolute beast for me. I just kept her with ike, and then Roy at the end and she was a great secondary tank. Brave lance increases chances to proc sandstorm. She fell off for me at the final two levels but her weapon was somewhat weak compared to the others on my team to be fair. Overall she was definitely in my top 5 best units overall