2023 Ford F350 6.7 high output Powerstroke. 3.31 rear end. Email:Pddieselpower509@gmail.com Insta: PD Diesel Power This video is only for entertaining purposes.
Too me the aisin transmission is a little ridged when in tow haul mode and exhaust brake is working, you know whats under you at all times, the best setup I've ever run .
I would say the feeling of vibrations and overall feeling the load more might be due to the extremely stiff frame on the ford. My personal experience going from a 2015 (older C channel frame) to newer boxed frames ford uses now will transfer more of the vibrations to the cab. I believe it’s due to less over flexing and the frame not absorbing the trailer vibrations. Is this better? I’m not sure. Anyways thanks for the real world feedback.
I can tell you from my experience here in Texas. EVERY Ford I have seen with a heavy trailer is sitting low in the rear end vs the Rams seem to still sit level with a trailer. Not saying it’s bad or good but there is nothing worse than passing highway patrol and looking like you are overloaded. Just the perception will get you pulled over and scaled.
Rams coil sprung rear end hangs low when you add some weight to them not to mention since their GVWR is so much lower than ford and GM ram can’t even have a payload number close to what the competition offers.
Ram is the only manufacturer that offers air bags from the factory, so there’s a good chance the ones you see towing heavy with minimal squat have them equipped. With any other brand you would have to buy them aftermarket. It’s the opposite with half ton trucks, rams tend to be squatting easily because of the coil suspension in the 1500’s whereas ford and Chevy do a better job with squatting because they still have leaf springs.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 Not sure where you get your information, but the Ram 3500 is rated even more than the F450. Tow wise not referring to payload numbers. But seriously I rarely see a ram sitting low like the fords. FYI the ram 3500 DOES NOT have coil springs, only the 2500 which I won't argue with that because Ford is the best 2500 to buy but cant come close in the 3500 range.
When I was a supervisor for a railroad maintenance department I was always fighting with the city-boy bean counters over them buying the cheapest f350's they could order. They'd get the lowest gvwr they could get. I'd have to spend department money at the Ford dealer swapping in higher load springs that would have been far cheaper to spec on the purchase order. The office geeks thought as long as it was a F350 they didn't have to consider the payload weight. Always look at load ratings on the door jamb. Some buyers want softer rate for the ride. Smart buyers opt for higher payload ratings
@Tylers24 ha good one. That section 8 truck don't come close to the 44K pound towing/8K payload that Ford is capable of. Not even mentioning features.. Sad to say Ram couldn't develop a power train in house that could handle real work loads anyways 😂
Always curious why you wouldn’t just pick up some used 4th gen rams for your fleet? You have the mechanics to correct any issues etc. …since you had great success with the 4th gens.
Here’s my take after 20k on my ten speed F150. It’s got way more gears than it knows what to do with and needs. On any scenario, it’s got three or four gears that will work for that scenario. So it gets “confused “ and often can’t figure out which is the best one to use. Does that make sense to you?
I’m in a 2022 F 250 XLT with the 7.3 that is a lemon, numerous problems, the biggest being a leaking transmission at 4,000 miles. It had a crimped gasket from the factory. I’m currently in the process of trying to get it bought back from me. That being said, I drove a 2500 Cummins and the only things I would take from the Ram would be the exhaust brake. The quality in the 2021 Ram Big Horn doesn’t even scrape the surface of my current truck.
Fords are good for 100k after that they become costly money pits. Ford didn’t build the powerstroke for the average guy to be able to work on them. Almost always you have to lift the cabs to work on anything on a powerstrokes and for that I’m out.
The only way you can drive a Superduty is if you're a short term owner relying on a warranty when it goes bad. And you better hope they don't find water contamination in the fuel system when that CP4 dies, or the warranty is out the window and you're on the hook for $15k. Not a gamble I want to take.
Cummins engine, Alison Transmission, RAM 5 link rear suspension, add the pumpkin link from the TRX, Ford Body, RAM seats, 2006 Kodiak Steering Wheel. NOW THAT IS A TRUCK 🛻
I’ve towed with both and I found the ram 3500 to be way more stable with a load on the back. The f350 felt like it swayed more. Same trailer, same load.
There is no comparison. Even if The Ford did something better he wouldn't admit it. This dude just loves this Cummins/Aisin set up and thats fine. Ford makes a superior truck, and if it wasn't for Ram using other companies for their drivetrain nobody would buy one.
@@Mike-cp1ft he’s made his living from the used to be reliability of ram !! They’ve just let him down tremendously.. I remember when asked his subscribers for suggestions on trading off his older rams and he made the regrettable to upgrade.
the Asin i would say is a commercial trans with commercial tuning. the ford isn't it focusing on reducing bearing load, long term RPM, etc. i personally like the ASIN loaded. but prefer the bandwidth on the ford. at least Manual mode is (or at least last year WAS) manual mode. i know ppl who swap raptor steering wheels to get paddles and run M mode all the time.
Had my eps rack go out on my 16 ram with 27,000 miles. My truck missed the recall by a month. It's intermittent so its the control board inside the rack which the recall was issued for. 3000+ $$'s if you can find one. All the pickups I have owned in my life have been Dodge/Ram. My next truck will not be a Ram. Their pricing has gotten INSAANE as well compared to the others.
I had always been a RAM guy, decided to try Ford as well, Had a 2022 F350 dually. The transmission and motor were fine, however, on bumpy wash board roads the two front doors would flex so bad they would rattle against the body - towing 16K it was worse and would happen even hitting bumps on the freeway. My wife said she could see daylight between the doors and body when it happened. Added A Full Ranch hand bumper - the truck road worse with that bumper with vibrations galore. That truck also had a drivers door rattle and several dash rattles Ford could never fix. Went back to a 2023 RAM - Good Luck. There is a video on UA-cam to fix the Ford Door Rattle - BTW - add GM door strikers...You are gonna miss that EB on the Ram as well...the Ford EB on FULL was ok...AUTO mode was useless
I believe he's talking specifically about the 2022 model year. I think in a prior video he said he bought 8x 2022 trucks from Ram and four of them have been a disaster.
@Tdaz250 I'm at 220,000+ miles, and the only problems I've had were with the Cp4 pump, egr vavle, and the egr cooler. Everything else is as strong as the day I bought her. And I tow 30k just about every day.. No way on Earth would I consider buying a Ford.. I don't need those problems
Feel is probably spring travel related which ford has more of but the thing I couldn’t stand the possibility of happening is there’s more 4th and 5th gen Rams snapped in half frames I’ve seen in the last couple years it’s crazy. The snap in half between the cab and the bed if you slightly overload em especially with cab over campers with a trailer or car hauler trailers. The frame weld right behind the cab weakens the frame and it tears which is uncalled for. It’s happened before on all 3 brands if extremely overloaded but it’s been happening way too much on Ram lately
Good luck with the ford. I tried one, and back to a low mileage 4th gen. The ford is super comfortable but in my opinion has a way to go to be a truck.
You can buy a Ram on a dealer's lot today, but you will have to order a Ford and wait 10 months until it is built, because people that know trucks want a Ford.
@Mike 79 steering that doesn't clock itself going down the road, Leaf packs that will hold a load up, sealer support, mine was at the dealer 4 times in 12,000 miles problems never got fixed.
@UA-camsShitSorter Both! I know a lot of people like Ford, and that's fine, whatever works. My service truck is a Ford and has never had any issues at all. I have owned two personally that have been nothing but issues.
service advisor asked me if I towed a lot on the interstate when I asked about if the lifters were a common problem on the newer rams (my truck is a 2022 Ram 3500 HO), when I said yeah... thats all it does. I received my answer by the look on his face.
And it doesn’t matter how much love you give that ford V8, there’s no way will many see 500,600, 700k plus. It’s still a gas derived V8 block, and tuned to the max, the tolerances are stressed out too much for me. I’d like to see Cummins start throwing a heavier flywheel and slow the revs and horsepower down, and keeping the torque up! 100hp will burn 5 gallons an hour with 70% loaded throttle ! Give me better mpg and torque, you can keep your horse, I don’t need it! 1500rpm is the sweet spot for diesels to burn efficiently
Too me the aisin transmission is a little ridged when in tow haul mode and exhaust brake is working, you know whats under you at all times, the best setup I've ever run .
Nothing beats the Aisin for sure
I would say the feeling of vibrations and overall feeling the load more might be due to the extremely stiff frame on the ford. My personal experience going from a 2015 (older C channel frame) to newer boxed frames ford uses now will transfer more of the vibrations to the cab. I believe it’s due to less over flexing and the frame not absorbing the trailer vibrations. Is this better? I’m not sure. Anyways thanks for the real world feedback.
I can tell you from my experience here in Texas. EVERY Ford I have seen with a heavy trailer is sitting low in the rear end vs the Rams seem to still sit level with a trailer. Not saying it’s bad or good but there is nothing worse than passing highway patrol and looking like you are overloaded. Just the perception will get you pulled over and scaled.
They all sit low without airbags.
Rams coil sprung rear end hangs low when you add some weight to them not to mention since their GVWR is so much lower than ford and GM ram can’t even have a payload number close to what the competition offers.
Ram is the only manufacturer that offers air bags from the factory, so there’s a good chance the ones you see towing heavy with minimal squat have them equipped. With any other brand you would have to buy them aftermarket. It’s the opposite with half ton trucks, rams tend to be squatting easily because of the coil suspension in the 1500’s whereas ford and Chevy do a better job with squatting because they still have leaf springs.
@@Back_door_bandit_98yeah but it’s only coil sprung in the rear on 2500’s. It’s leaf on 3500
@@Back_door_bandit_98 Not sure where you get your information, but the Ram 3500 is rated even more than the F450. Tow wise not referring to payload numbers. But seriously I rarely see a ram sitting low like the fords. FYI the ram 3500 DOES NOT have coil springs, only the 2500 which I won't argue with that because Ford is the best 2500 to buy but cant come close in the 3500 range.
RAM SUCKS NEVER BUY ONE AGAIN. TO MANY PROBLEMS.
Its a cheap vehicle, Dodge/Fiat.... that's what you're buying 🤷♂️
Failure rate on the '22's is really incredibly bad. Hard to believe that happened. But it did.
When I was a supervisor for a railroad maintenance department I was always fighting with the city-boy bean counters over them buying the cheapest f350's they could order. They'd get the lowest gvwr they could get. I'd have to spend department money at the Ford dealer swapping in higher load springs that would have been far cheaper to spec on the purchase order. The office geeks thought as long as it was a F350 they didn't have to consider the payload weight.
Always look at load ratings on the door jamb. Some buyers want softer rate for the ride. Smart buyers opt for higher payload ratings
Use manual mode on the trans. That's what I do, and I love it! Thanks for the great vids!!!
A lot of ram fanboys here
Hard not to be a fan when you make a truck that good.
@Tylers24 ha good one. That section 8 truck don't come close to the 44K pound towing/8K payload that Ford is capable of. Not even mentioning features.. Sad to say Ram couldn't develop a power train in house that could handle real work loads anyways 😂
Ford Made in USA 💪💪💪🇺🇲
💪💪💪American built by Americans 💪💪💪
America has been chinese controlled since 2020
Always curious why you wouldn’t just pick up some used 4th gen rams for your fleet? You have the mechanics to correct any issues etc.
…since you had great success with the 4th gens.
Here’s my take after 20k on my ten speed F150. It’s got way more gears than it knows what to do with and needs. On any scenario, it’s got three or four gears that will work for that scenario. So it gets “confused “ and often can’t figure out which is the best one to use.
Does that make sense to you?
If your out of warranty just get a modest reliable tune from a proven tuner that includes trans tuning
I’m in a 2022 F 250 XLT with the 7.3 that is a lemon, numerous problems, the biggest being a leaking transmission at 4,000 miles. It had a crimped gasket from the factory.
I’m currently in the process of trying to get it bought back from me. That being said, I drove a 2500 Cummins and the only things I would take from the Ram would be the exhaust brake. The quality in the 2021 Ram Big Horn doesn’t even scrape the surface of my current truck.
My 22 f250 with the 6.7 has been flawless with almost 20,000km on it
The rams are far better interior wise than even the platinum fords. Better materials and attention to detail. I owned a 2022 f350 lariat
I have towed with ford and dodge for years and after 08 the ford was too soft. I got tired of the headlights being in the trees.
Fords are good for 100k after that they become costly money pits. Ford didn’t build the powerstroke for the average guy to be able to work on them. Almost always you have to lift the cabs to work on anything on a powerstrokes and for that I’m out.
Paul buddy I couldn’t agree with you more on everything you said! And you know I was a “ford guy” for a long time!
The only way you can drive a Superduty is if you're a short term owner relying on a warranty when it goes bad. And you better hope they don't find water contamination in the fuel system when that CP4 dies, or the warranty is out the window and you're on the hook for $15k. Not a gamble I want to take.
I felt the same way, owning a 1999 ram, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2013.... but then came the 2022, and its f*$^ing lifters.
Goes for all of them. They're all junk.
Cummins engine, Alison Transmission, RAM 5 link rear suspension, add the pumpkin link from the TRX, Ford Body, RAM seats, 2006 Kodiak Steering Wheel. NOW THAT IS A TRUCK 🛻
That sounds too complicated for its own good. 😂
I’ve towed with both and I found the ram 3500 to be way more stable with a load on the back. The f350 felt like it swayed more. Same trailer, same load.
Interesting too because the Rams architecture is much older and it is a smaller truck
Another awesome review thanks Paul!
Can you make a video on DPF regen? Also, don't forget to include your driving style!
Not impressed with the exhaust brake at all.
You will replace two transmissions and an engine before 100k and the front suspension will fail at 30 k.
Wtf are you talking about
Thanks for comparison of these two trucks.
There is no comparison. Even if The Ford did something better he wouldn't admit it. This dude just loves this Cummins/Aisin set up and thats fine. Ford makes a superior truck, and if it wasn't for Ram using other companies for their drivetrain nobody would buy one.
@@Mike-cp1ft he’s made his living from the used to be reliability of ram !! They’ve just let him down tremendously.. I remember when asked his subscribers for suggestions on trading off his older rams and he made the regrettable to upgrade.
@@vernt4583 You mean the reliability of the Cummins/Aisin. The Ram has nothing to do with it.
@@Mike-cp1fthave you used the exhaust brake in the RAM? No way. Give the Dodge credit. Cummins Aisin combo is Great. I'm sorry you love ford Cock. 😂
the Asin i would say is a commercial trans with commercial tuning. the ford isn't it focusing on reducing bearing load, long term RPM, etc. i personally like the ASIN loaded. but prefer the bandwidth on the ford. at least Manual mode is (or at least last year WAS) manual mode. i know ppl who swap raptor steering wheels to get paddles and run M mode all the time.
I have had both. I think Ford softened the springs for the ride unloaded.
I know you done prefer them. But if your gonna tow heavy with the fords I recommend going to the dually. Much better stability
Had my eps rack go out on my 16 ram with 27,000 miles. My truck missed the recall by a month. It's intermittent so its the control board inside the rack which the recall was issued for. 3000+ $$'s if you can find one. All the pickups I have owned in my life have been Dodge/Ram. My next truck will not be a Ram. Their pricing has gotten INSAANE as well compared to the others.
EPS rack? You're speaking 1/2 ton?
@1hasbeen531 yes.
I had always been a RAM guy, decided to try Ford as well, Had a 2022 F350 dually. The transmission and motor were fine, however, on bumpy wash board roads the two front doors would flex so bad they would rattle against the body - towing 16K it was worse and would happen even hitting bumps on the freeway. My wife said she could see daylight between the doors and body when it happened. Added A Full Ranch hand bumper - the truck road worse with that bumper with vibrations galore. That truck also had a drivers door rattle and several dash rattles Ford could never fix. Went back to a 2023 RAM - Good Luck. There is a video on UA-cam to fix the Ford Door Rattle - BTW - add GM door strikers...You are gonna miss that EB on the Ram as well...the Ford EB on FULL was ok...AUTO mode was useless
Genuine question, what the hell is the copper thing under your vent
What year did Rams start giving you problems? (Transcript says 2012 and I don’t believe that’s accurate) help please
19 and newer
I believe he's talking specifically about the 2022 model year. I think in a prior video he said he bought 8x 2022 trucks from Ram and four of them have been a disaster.
My 2019 3500 Ram has been a blessing..
It’ll be interesting to see as more of these 19-23 trucks approach 100k miles how many of them start having problems
@Tdaz250 I'm at 220,000+ miles, and the only problems I've had were with the Cp4 pump, egr vavle, and the egr cooler. Everything else is as strong as the day I bought her. And I tow 30k just about every day.. No way on Earth would I consider buying a Ford.. I don't need those problems
Feel is probably spring travel related which ford has more of but the thing I couldn’t stand the possibility of happening is there’s more 4th and 5th gen Rams snapped in half frames I’ve seen in the last couple years it’s crazy. The snap in half between the cab and the bed if you slightly overload em especially with cab over campers with a trailer or car hauler trailers. The frame weld right behind the cab weakens the frame and it tears which is uncalled for. It’s happened before on all 3 brands if extremely overloaded but it’s been happening way too much on Ram lately
I can’t believe anyone would think a stock truck needs leafs added to tow
The Ford is rock solid, and the Ram, with its miserable Chrysler build quality, feels like it is 10 years older. There is no comparison.
Yea ok 🤣
😂😂
Cool story bro!! 😂😂
Ferdy boy. Should get a real exhaust brake. What a joke..
Dunno.
My buddy drove from nm to Oklahoma, and the rear diff started leaking.
Good luck with the ford. I tried one, and back to a low mileage 4th gen. The ford is super comfortable but in my opinion has a way to go to be a truck.
Care to elaborate on where the Ford has to go to be a truck?
You can buy a Ram on a dealer's lot today, but you will have to order a Ford and wait 10 months until it is built, because people that know trucks want a Ford.
@@clifft7832😂 Very obvious you’re NOT a mechanic or a commercial driver
@Mike 79 steering that doesn't clock itself going down the road, Leaf packs that will hold a load up, sealer support, mine was at the dealer 4 times in 12,000 miles problems never got fixed.
@UA-camsShitSorter Both! I know a lot of people like Ford, and that's fine, whatever works. My service truck is a Ford and has never had any issues at all. I have owned two personally that have been nothing but issues.
Ram trucks fail at towing, use to be a service manager at RAM dealership
Ahhh! Another UA-cam brand X service manager/certified tech. Thank you for your insight!
service advisor asked me if I towed a lot on the interstate when I asked about if the lifters were a common problem on the newer rams (my truck is a 2022 Ram 3500 HO), when I said yeah... thats all it does. I received my answer by the look on his face.
He was terminated, and that's why he's bitter.
@@MrStaybrownterminated for fine tuning his boyfriends wiener on the clock
Ram. Best quality of ANY truck
I’ll stick with Ram, they’ll get it right. My 3500 and air bag self level I don’t notice 18,000 RV being dragged at 70mph. Rock solid
And it doesn’t matter how much love you give that ford V8, there’s no way will many see 500,600, 700k plus. It’s still a gas derived V8 block, and tuned to the max, the tolerances are stressed out too much for me. I’d like to see Cummins start throwing a heavier flywheel and slow the revs and horsepower down, and keeping the torque up! 100hp will burn 5 gallons an hour with 70% loaded throttle ! Give me better mpg and torque, you can keep your horse, I don’t need it! 1500rpm is the sweet spot for diesels to burn efficiently
ua-cam.com/users/shortszNt5bz2lNQE?feature=share And that’s my issue, over complicated
There’s a reason the dealership lots are full of new Ram 2500/3500’s marked down $10k off of sticker price.
@@dfg2783- not around me. But if they are its probably because they start out about 10k too high.
@@dfg2783where??? Because if you can point me to one I’ll buy it tomorrow!
My '22 F-250 single cab 4x4 is the worst towing truck I've ever driven, can't even describe how bad it is. I'm not a FORD fan.
You ride a pedal bike at best! Lol