Don't Waste Your Money On A F450! What Truck Is Best For Pulling An RV! Fulltime RV Living!
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
- In this video, we have a special guest appearance from "The Ford F450" as we tackle the often-debated question in the RV world of, "Do I need a F450 or F350 to pull my RV?" We compare all the stats of the F450 and the F350 and discuss all of the similarities and differences between the two trucks! We have a turning radius shoot-out and find out if the F450 really turns as good as we have all heard! We do some unloaded driving to compare the ride and comfort of both trucks before heading to the RV park to hook up our Grand Design 397TH Momentum Toyhauler to do some real-world towing tests! Before we see which truck tows better, we load the RV down to as close to max capacity as possible before heading to the scales see what the true weight numbers are! We then tow the RV with both trucks and compare notes to see which one does the better job! We finish up by heading back to the RV park to have a parking contest with both rigs to see how the turning radius affects maneuverability! The video wraps up with some closing thoughts on our opinions and you'll want to stick around for a surprise visitor at the end of the video!
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Great and informative video!
Thanks for watching JD. That means a lot coming from you!
@@PavingNewPaths no problem! Tons of great data and real world comparisons here. Outstanding work! I might link it in a video.
Feel free to use it how you want! After all the comments I have received I was wondering how long until you found the video! Glad you liked it!
@@PavingNewPaths actually noticed it several days ago but didn't check it out until today.
Made a video and mentioned this one with a link to your channel: ua-cam.com/video/tGa3PabT7WM/v-deo.html
I don't know much about trucks but I do know that you put in an enormous amount of time for this video. Great job.
Thank you! This was the most time-consuming video I have made yet! The planning took a few days! Almost 12 hours of filming, and over a week of editing! It was fun but a lot of work to put videos like this together!
Thanks for the video!
I own both an F350 and a 2022 F450. I definitely agree on the ride comments. My comparison is between a 22 F450 and 20 F350 dually.
You talked a lot about the weights of the trucks but more simply, the difference between the pay load is only because the F450 is heavier due to the wide track steering components, heavier wheels/tires, brakes and rear end differential. In other words, since the mfg keeps both trucks at a 14K GVW, the payload is the difference between the weight of the truck and the GVW.
I would argue that if the mfg did not de-rate both trucks, the F450 would hands down have a higher payload mainly because of the much bigger brakes that can stop a heavier payload. “Handling a bigger weight” should also include brake capacity, tire weight capacity and ability to accelerate which you did not discuss. You can’t put a price on safety and while you touched on a lot of good points, the extra braking power, tire weight capacity and the pulling power of the bigger/heavier 4.30 rear end of the F450 was not really considered in “which can handle more weight” in the video (big omission IMO). You mainly looked at “payload” which is not the whole story when looking at which is better for pulling 20K lbs.
Lastly, I have never heard a F450 owner wish they had bought a F350 but I have heard plenty of F350 owners wish they had an F450.
Thank you! I think both trucks are great, we wanted the F450 but in every scenario we would be overweight! They are both class 3 vehicles rated at 14,000lbs so at the end of the day it doesn't matter what they may be rated for they are in the same class, making the F350 more capable in terms of payload and with the 4:10 rear end it can tow more as well! When towing big RV's you will max out payload well before you get anywhere near the max towing capacity of either truck! Also when towing any trailer, your truck brakes are not stopping the trailer, that is what the trailer brakes are for! I made this video because the F450 PU is not an F450 it is an F350 with some extra features that make it less capable! The actual Class 4 F450 that is rated at 16,500lbs is a more capable truck, but the F450 everyone buys is not that truck!
What is the difference in gpm of your two trucks, thanks
@@jerryfisher9530 With these two trucks it's virtually the same mileage! The F350 has 4:10 rear end! If you had a 3:73 or 3:55 it would be much better! Both trucks get around 18 empty anf 8-9 loaded!
LMAO at "Ford put more components on the F450 to make it less capable". You put wayyy too much weight on the 14k gvwr, instead of important things like brakes, wheels, axles and steering.
Great info! Thx!!
Hands down the best F350 vs F450 video I have seen to date. Very informative. Great job with the real world testing.
Thank you!
You really nailed this topic and provided real world data with realtime opinions from you guys who have awesome rigs! Thank you for the hard work producing this and making sure it is interesting.
Thank you! We are glad you enjoyed it!
The F450 is essentially a Medium Duty truck that Ford stuck in a light duty class. If Ford were to rate it properly many states would consider it commercial. That's why the F450 has a lower payload rating. it weighs more, but the GCVW can't exceed 14500 pounds. it's all a numbers game for taxes and registrations.
They F450 is built on the same Frame with the same rear leaf springs and the same rear axle housing! While I won't disagree the tires and wheels can support more weight than the F350 the bottom line is they are built on the same bones and are both Class 3 trucks! It is not a numbers game it was a way sell a higher trim F350 that they call an F450! The real F450 is a Class 4 truck rated at 16,500lbs!
Nonsense. It just allows guys like you to think so.
@@kevinbarry71 No it allows guys like you to feel ok about overloading your truck!
@@PavingNewPaths I think you misunderstand. I was replying to the original poster. I would never overload a truck. The previous guy thought he could do that with a 450
@@kevinbarry71 I am sorry I did mis read your comment!
This had to be one of the best videos I've ever seen in this subject matter, thorough, in depth and explained well!
Thank you! Glad you liked the video!
By far the best vid I’ve seen with the comparison. Great job!!! Keep these great vids coming!!
Thank you!
Good comparison video between the two trucks. Both are great trucks and you did a good job of showing real data. Thanks
Thank you! There are a lot of opinions out there when it comes to the F450 vs F350 in the RV world! I wanted to show the numbers and why we have the F350 and not the F450!
Thanks for being so thorough, great video! I gotta say, those 19 in wheels alone are pulling me to the F450!
The F450 is an awesome truck and the rims really seal the deal for it! Each truck has different capacities and as long as your understand what they are you should get the truck that works best for you!
That intro had my husband laughing!! Great content as always!!
Thank you!
Also, tires was a huge issue on my 450. Traveling and trying to find a shop to replace/fix a flat was always a challenge.
We were all in on the F450, but we knew we would be close to maxing the truck out! In the end we decided the F350 was the better choice for the payload capacity! I have heard from several guys they spend so much time and money trying to get the 19.5-inch tires to balance and track right! I have even met several that went to 20inch rims so they could have better tire choices!
My GMC 450 came without a spare tire.
There was a note in the manual that said “You can’t change a tire on this truck. Call road service”.
How do you over come on issue on finding the right shop to work on your F450? Do you have TPMS? Centramatic?
JD (The most humble UA-camr) told me to come over and subscribe! I was not disappointed, great job.
Thanks for coming we are glad you enjoyed the video! We are so grateful that JD watched our video and mentioned us on his channel!
JD Who?
@@lcseds JD is the guy that does the BTBRV channel!
Excellent video. Thank you for doing this real world side by side comparison!
Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Great video! It was a lot of work! Hope everyone is well and getting excited to hit the road again!
Thank you! We had a lot of fun filming this one, there was a lot that went into this one! We are actually packing up now getting ready to hit the road soon! The adventure videos will be just around the corner!
This has gotta be the best get-down-to-the-facts video between these two trucks, with indisputable data to back it up. Very well done.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Awesome video. We appreciate all of your hard work putting this video together. Helps me make up my mind on which one to get.
Hands down the best review on these Super Duty trucks I have ever seen 👏
Thank you! We tried to compare them using real world data and limit our opinions!
I don't own a truck yet, this video is SUPREMELY informative! Thank you!
They are both great trucks, but if you are going for a big heavy RV the best truck is the F350, if you need more then you need to look at the actual class 4, F450 that doesn't come with a bed! If you are considering the F450 that has a bed just realize it is not more capable than the F350!
I've been researching and comparing these 2 trucks for the past month. This is the kind of video I've been wanting to see. Thanks guys!
They are both great trucks! If it was just me and my wife we would have the F450, the upgraded features make it an awesome truck to pull and RV with! Since we are a family of 5 and our RV stays loaded to around max capacity all the time we needed the payload of the F350 to ensure our truck was not overweight!
That's why I'm glad you did the video like you did with practical applications and weighing on the scale. I'm leaning towards the 450 for hauling big loads of hay on a gooseneck, and then a 4-horse gooseneck with full living quarters with kitchen and all. Very much appreciate all the info!
WOW That's a lot of work putting the video together. Thanks to you, Phil, and Eric for all yalls time! No dog in this fight since I have a gmc sierra 3500 Denali on the way but that was a great comparison, still not giving up my 2004 F250 Crew Cab 4x4👍 No matter what the sticker is what the truck is legally rated, ask any lawyer 😉
Thank you! It was a lot of work and a lot of fun! They are all great trucks and most likely all are capable of more than the 14K GVWR they are listed at! But I am a Ford Man!
Best comparison video out there. Thanks for posting.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
@@TonyBenton0728
Yes, I have seen them. I still feel this was the best comparison. You do you.
Great job my friend. Keep up the great content. It would be great to see you create a video across the big three! I haul my camper with my Duramax and Allison 10 speed but I see that Powerstroke and Cummins bring a lot to the table as well! Safe travels.
Thank you! It would be awesome to make a video comparing the Ford, Dodge and Chevrolet! I just need someone with the other two, to come hang out with me for a day and film!
I'll choose under-rated and over-engineered every time. Love my F450.
They're both great trucks! Can't go wrong with either one!
@@PavingNewPaths turning radius on the 450 is so much better & that alone is worth it.
@@jakethomas6583 The turning radius is awesome but imagine telling people you bought a less capable truck because it turns! The point is if you need the payload the f350 is the better choice! If you don't the F450 is also a great choice!
Excellent video one of the best reviews out there keep them coming
Thank you so much! We put a lot into this one and enjoyed making it!
That was a great A/B compare. Thanks for all the detail. Well done!
Thank you! I love both trucks! But I see a lot of people puling thse big RV'S with the F450 and I know how close we are to maxing out our F350! I made the video to show what it really looks like on the scale!
I know i am a bit late to the party here, but loved this video. Perfect timing for me as i am on a search for a DRW Truck. Love the channel, and thanks for the hard work that went into making this.
Thank you! We really enjoyed making this video, and it was a lot of work, but it was also a lot of fun and hopefully we were able to shine some light on the actual numbers of both of the trucks for you!
Best test I’ve seen on these trucks back to back….great job!
Thank you! We tried hard to show what these big RV'S do to these two truck's!
Thanks for spending so much time on a GREAT VIDEO. A must watch for everyone deciding between F350 and F450 for RV use. #F350 #F450 #towingRV
Thank you so much for watching and the kind words! This video took a lot of time and effort to set up and film, but we feel it was worth it in the end!
Awesome video,thank you
Thank you!
Excellent video and loaded with a ton of great information. Thank you for sharing. Peace and Safe Travels -Craig
Thank you Craig! I might need to pick your brain about camera stuff!
@@PavingNewPaths, feel free to DM me over on Facebook.
That was a pretty good video thanks for doing it 👍 I've seen nothing like it on UA-cam , Good job !
Thank you! I appreciate the compliment!
Helluva video👏🏾. Love the detailed effort and the ending was hilarious
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it! The Dodge owner had no problem being in the video when I told him what I wanted!
I prefer my 2017 Ford F450 XL over any F350! It has far fewer options than the other trim levels which makes it lighter and results in a little over 5,000 pounds of payload capacity. The larger brakes, exhaust brake, awesome turning radius, and beefier rear axles give give me peace of mind while towing our 43-foot Keystone Fuzion 417 toy hauler. I've towed our RV for nearly 9,000 miles through the mountains, through very tight campgrounds with overhanging tree canopy, etc. and it does it all with ease!
You sir have the best one as you have the upgraded features and the payload capacity! We wanted the F450 but because of payload we went with the F350! Since we live and travel full time we wanted the comforts of the top trim levels! Our F350 came with 4:10 rear end and when mated to the 10 speed it pulls great! We have traveled over 20,000 miles towing through the mountains out west and never worried about power or controlling our rig! They are both great trucks just what works best for your set up!
Tim, if you did not have a trailer to pull, would you still be buying F450 over F350? Currently, I drive 2020 DRW 6.7 Lariat and is planning to put the order in for 2023 Super duty. I do not pull, but do carry up to about 3500 lbs few times in each month. I do drive pretty fast when freeway opens up. Did you do any after market for TPMS? Are you having any vibration type of issue on your tires? Are you having hard time to find the tire shop to do the maintenance on your F450?
@@wj2791 Yes, I had to add a Tireminder TPMS, I needed it for my triple axle toy hauler anyway.
If not towing a large RV, the F350 is a MUCH better choice! The 4.30 axle ratio of the F450 is a huge negative if not towing a large rig. The F350 has factory TPMS, smoother riding non-commercial tires, a much better axle ratio for cruising at highway speeds and likely better fuel economy than the F450.
@@timpayne431I let my heart make the decision over my head. I did order F450 Limited. :)
I will probably install Centramatic in the front and will look further into Tireminder TPMS for the truck.
The 450, or any superduty, exhaust brake is a gimmick. It’s so weak, might as well not even have it
Great video as I own a 21 F450 Limited. #1 choice was the turning radius. And the beefed up brakes. It’s what ever package you can afford or find these days. Both 350 and 450 dually are great. Love those big hips on either one. I’m happy with my payload for what I tow. So carry on my friend. Get what’s suitable for you. Dislike when people bickering about mine is better. Choose what is better for you.
Exactly I was very neutral about both because we did originally want the F450! But because of payload we needed the F350! Thats exactly right you should get the truck that best fits your needs!
It is correct both are great. I had both pickups but I prefer the larger brakes and turning radius. I travel to Montana from South Texas and back in the winter. Not to mention the wind through Wyoming. Drive through there in the winter heading back south. It even pushed my Ram 3500 drw to the side while driving 45 mph. The F450 held the ground in the cross wind. I only drive at a max 65 pulling out triple axle XLR Thunderbolt. It pulls amazing even up and over the big long Mountain over from Raton NV to Trinidad Colorado.
@@terrypetersen4039 We also have the 4:10 in our truck making it the same max towing as the F450 so we know what you mean as we have pulled our RV all the way to Montana and back with no issues!
@@PavingNewPaths
Actually the 2021 F450 Limited has 4.30 rear gear ratio
@@jimmaltese8513 All F450 have the 4:30 gear ratio! But an F350 with the 4:10 will have a higher max towing than the F450 because once you factor in the tire size they are esentially the ratio!
Great video, practical, and very informational.
Thank you
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
Finally! Thank you for providing detail on the two trucks!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Great detailed review, thanks for putting the effort on this. Having driven and parked my F450 in multiple tight urban environments (i.e. old town Santa Fe) I'll stick with the tighter turning radius and bigger brakes on the F450. Your comment about the trucks being de rated is spot-on. When doing my research into this F450 I also looked at F550s. I called 5 insurance companies and they all required a F550 and up to be insurance as commercial. So the registration and insurance is significantly more but the HP / torque of an F550 is de rated. It seems the campers are out growing the classes and insurance ratings for trucks...
Thank you! It is a very debated subject in the RV world, and the RV's are outgrowing the trucks if you want to remain legal! You can see we were able to max out both trucks with just a 20,000lb trailer! The turning radius is awesome but for us we needed the payload capacity of the F350 to stay under 14K on the truck! Both great trucks just depends on what works best for your situation!
I have owned both and will keep going back to my 350. It works for what I need it to do.
We will start with a 350 too as long as we are fulltiming and in such a heavy rv!
The 5500 Cummins and the comment at the end really made me laugh. Great video! I appreciate all the hard work you put into it.
Thank you! It was a fun day of filming but it took some serious planning and work! It was not hard to convice the 5500 owner to participate once he knew he could make fun of Fords!
Outstanding video, well done and informative.
Thank you!
When I bought my F450 it was a purchase of opportunity. I was shopping for a dually of any flavor and coming up empty. I found this 2019 F450 Lariat with only 16k miles on it for a good price. That said, I do love this truck.
PS: you DID add the Companion hitch weight twice when adding your 490lbs to the F450 scale weight, that weight included his hitch.
We took the weight of both trucks the way they were scaled so the F450 had full fuel, passengers and the companion hitch when we weighed it for a total of 9880Lbs. We also had the scale slip of the F350 with full fuel passengers the companion and all the other accessories I have added to the truck for a total of 9840 lbs. After scaling them with full fuel, passengers and all the components we found the F450 was only 40 lbs. heavier than the F350 and that is because all my accessories I added brought my truck up to almost the same weight as the F450! (Remember they both have the companions in the truck when we scaled them) So in order to figure out how much all my stuff weighs including the hitch (I only reference the hitch because the turnover ball hitch will weigh more than the puck style hitch and I wanted to include that weight difference) my toolbox, bed cover, air system and air bags we can use the payload capacity from each truck because the payload is the difference between the weight of the truck and the max GVWR of 14,000lbs. The F350 payload is 5375lbs and the F450 payload is 4845 leaving a difference of 530lbs. So stock for stock the F450 should weigh 530lbs more than the F350 but since we have added accessories and upgrades, the F450 was only 40lbs heavier that the F350. They were both scaled with their own companion hitches installed and the weight was accounted for. My accessories including the hitch (because there is a difference in the base plate on the turnover ball vs the puck system) my tool box, bedcover, air system, and air bags all equal 490lbs of things I have added to the truck! So If I were to own and F450 I would be an additional 490lbs heavier as I would have all the same components installed!
Going from a SRW F-350 short bed King Ranch to a F-450 Platinum, I noticed the ride was actually much better. In either case the DRW is a better riding truck than a SRW. Tire cost is an issue, especially with the tighter turning radius causing tire scrub, which the factory Conti's do not hold up to well. Putting a proper steer tire on, goes a long way for lasting tires. Roadmaster has them for under $250, which is about what tires for a SRW with 20's cost. IT is the turning that sold me on the truck, I live off a narrow county road with ditches on either side, and the SRW SB would be nose in the ditch backing my trailer in, the LB would be even worse, but now, it skirts the ditch, that 8' makes a huge difference. There are some sacrifices you have to consider, the 4.30 gears are fuel hogs, and are needed for spinning those massive wheels, and a bit harsher ride, but still better than the SRW SB. That is really what it all comes down to between the two. If the larger turning radius works for you, the F-350 DRW is the better choice.
Both trucks are amazing, and if we didn't need the payload capacity of the F350 we would be in an F450! We think the turning radius is awsome, but I have never not been able to put this RV where I wanted it! I think you get used to the truck you have and learn how to make it work! With the 4:10 gears our effective ratio is the same when you factor in the difference in tire size! We think 18 mpg is amazing for a dually!
Dang good presentation comparing the two trucks . Thanks !
Thank you!
Fantastic video. You do great work. You persuaded me to reconsider a 350 vs 450. Still toiled over it but you gave me pause on pulling the trigger on a 450. Great job, thanks !!
Thank you! They are both great trucks but there are things you need to consider if you are planning on getting the F450 PU that a lot of people don't think about! In the end if the F450 is right for you then it is an awesome truck, but for us there was no math that ever worked where we wouldn't be overweight with the F450! That is one of the reasons we decided to go with the F350 instead!
What an awesome vid 👏, can't wait to see how ram gonna compare ,also would love to hear about reliability issues between these trucks.
Thank you! That RAM 5500 is a whole different beast! I can't speak for the F450 but our F350 has pulled our RV around the US fulltime for almost 2 years now with no issues!
We only have 25k miles on the 450, but have had no issues at all.
You had me hooked in the first minute and a half 😂 “This one has a hundred more 50’s” 😂
Thank you! We tried to have fun with the intro and are glad you enjoyed it!
Best clip I have seen on trucks and rv's. Thanks.
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Beyond phenomenal content, beyond amazing all the detailed info and data you provided in this video 1,000,000 thanks 👍
Thank you! We are glad you appreciated the video!
I really enjoyed watching the differences and not some differences. They must have thought WTH are they doing at the campground!? Lol
My wife said the same thing! They already think I am crazy because I have been working on my RV and talking to the camera! Now I show up with two trucks and we just keep hooking it up and doing circles around the park!
@@PavingNewPaths Lmao 😂
Great video! We have a 12000# GVWR GN horse trailer, so we don’t need a dually (we have a ‘17 F350 SRW), but I’d sure like one!
So with the max GN towing at over 30k, what setup can actually tow that weight? A really heavy load without much pin weight? As you showed, you were just about maxed out with a 20000# trailer.
Fifth Wheels are very pin heavy and eat into payload capacity! To maximize towing capacity, you would need to have your GN trailer supporting most of the weight! Likely to get to the max towing capacity numbers you would need a heavy loaded trailer where most of the weight was over the GN Axles and not being carried by the truck!
Great content man. Loved it. Big thumbs up.
Thank you! We appreciate it!
Best comparison i've seen. Thank you!!
Thank you!
Awesome video! I went from a 2012 F-450 King Ranch to a 2019 F-350 XLT about 2 years ago. I do miss the 450’s turning radius, but the ride was brutal. I’ll take the 350 for the ride alone any day.
My concern with all the manufacturers and all the weight numbers is this: how many people new or relatively new to RVing are buying trailers based on that 30,000+ pound towing capacity the manufacturers claim? Keep me away from the person towing that 26k# Luxe with an F-350!!!
I’m in my 20th year towing full-profile 5th wheels - and I learn something from every video you publish. Keep it up!
First thank you for the compliments! We wanted the F450 but the math never worked out for us! No matter what we did we would always be overweight on the truck! We went with the F350 because we needed the payload capacity! Most people don't realize that you can max out an F350 and an F450 with a 20,000lb trailer! You will run out of your payload capacity well before you get to the max towing numbers as RV's are very pin heavy! If you have a LUXE you better show up with a class 4 or 5 truck! I think you would be overweight with the trailer empty!
2012 F450 and 2020 F450 are oranges and apples
Awesome content and great review.
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent video. Great videography & music. I really enjoyed watching it. Very informative. Greatly appreciate the thoroughness of your comparison & the number you presented. Both are great looking trucks. Drove a new F350 KR SRW from FL to NC for a client & loved it so much I bought a RAM 3500 Longhorn LTD MegaCab w the HO Cummins 😊, but only because I have always wanted a RAM truck w a Cummins diesel. All these modern trucks are so comfortable, yet capable. Look forward to more of your content!
Thank you! I really enjoyed making the video and am glad you enjoyed it! All of the big 3 make very capable trucks nowadays and it really comes down to what creature comforts and style do you want!
@@PavingNewPaths 👍I totally agree!
Awesome job with the video. This is what was needed.
Thanks!
Great video and fantastic data. Thank you. I bought a 450 mostly for the turning radius. Hoping the tires and brakes don't cost that much more. Our 5'er is 19K GVWR so the numbers will be safe, at least a lot better than our 350 SRW. 4.30 gears are amazing towing over the Canadian Rockies. Rarely left 9th gear up the steep hills keeping the speed limit, and could stay in 10th for a huge portion of the trip. Like you said though, once you get into that 20K+ range for a trailer you're into some number crunching to keep it legal and the 350 has the edge. But only for that in my opinion, and its a biased opinion.😉
Thank you for your comment! We made this video to show what the heavy RV'S look like on both trucks! This is also the reason we decided on the F350 over the F450! Ours has the 4:10 rearend, combined with the 10 speed we are very similar in how it tows! We have pulled over many passes and we hardly ever drop down many gears! They are both great trucks!
Great video and information.
Thank You!
Really a damn good and highly informative video. Hats off
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Great video best comparison of the two truck’s I’ve seen.
The ending was classic 👍
Thank you! It was a lot of fun making this video!
I have been researching the differences in the F450 & F350 for almost a year now and this is by far the best video out there on actual comparisons. Thank you so much and great video. We are waiting on the order banks to open up in October to order our new F450. We will be upgrading to the Grand Design Solitude 390RK once we get the truck. We went to a dealership a while back to drive both a F350 & F450 to compare for ourselves. Even the dealer made the comment that the F450 had more cargo capacity and I had to correct him that actually it had less since it weighed more. But your video helped me be more confident in our decision on which one to go with. Keep up the great work and we hope to see you on the road somewhere soon.
Thank you! All the videos I have ever seen are just talking or they do truck vs. truck testing! I have never seen one where they take both and F350 and an F450 and hook them to trailer and show you the numbers! We wanted the F450, but the math told us we would be overweight with our RV, so we got the F350! They are both great trucks, but you have to understand they have different limitations! Thanks for watching and I am glad you enjoyed the video!
@@PavingNewPaths yes there are very few people that say and realize there is a weight capacity difference. So glad you showed that in real world towing of a fifth wheel camper. Luckily our 5th wheel maxes out at 16,800 lbs GVWR so we should be good on the F450. But I’m glad you showed for your application you needed the F350. Hopefully this will help a lot of others be able to make informed decisions.
Please read my opinion on the F450 I've had four of them I left my opinion in the the group message
Love the music and the video graphics is wonderful 👌
Thank you! It wasn't rock and roll this time!
@@PavingNewPaths it was nice none the less.
Thank you!
Great informative video with real world data. Great job!
Thank you!
Awesome JOB, Probably the BEST compairsion test and explanation of weights and trucks ,I had a F-450, and NOW I have a RAM -3500, I was shocked, how well the RAM compared , the Ram rode and drove better, I'm a TRUE BLUE guy, , LOVED THE ENDING....LMBO.. Keep these videos coming Brother, hope to see you guys on the ROAD, or in Tenn..
It didn't take much to convince him to come make fun of the Ford guys at the end of the video! Thanks for your support and feedback! We appreciate it!
Great video! We towed a 5th wheel with a 2017 F450 with ease. There are some fundamental differences between an F350 and F450, such as commercial grade tires, suspension and wider front axle. Both have the same or similar tow/capacity ratings, however with the wider front axle the F450 has a much tighter turning radius, quite surprising really for such a big truck, which is very useful in many of the tight campgrounds there are these days.
Both trucks are great and the turning radius is amazing on the F450! We wanted the F450 but because we teavel fulltime in our RV we needed the payload capacity of the F350!
@@PavingNewPaths The only reason why the payload is heavier on the F350 is because it’s a lighter truck. Both having to be within the 14,000 pound limit. But aside from technical numbers the F450 can carry handle more payload it’s just can’t be published because of the weight restrictions on that class of truck. Mainly the commercial grade tires, I think there is some difference in the axles that makes it a heavier truck.
@@skoffco It is still a class 3 truck rated at 14,000 gvwr! Both trucks are built on the same frame with the same suspension! Yes the F450 has tires and rims rated higher than 14k but you don't use the highest rating to determine what a machine is capable of! The F350 tires and rims are also capable of more than 14k but for some reason the F450 logic does not apply to the F350 only the F450 is capable of more than 14k!
lets face it, my guess is 75%of the people who own these trucks and campers pay cash, in turn you could afforg to swap axles and add some fender flares for coverage if needed. and 99% of DOT doesnt stop non commerical vechiles so I would maybe through it out there that with good air bags or a kelderman systme Dot would prob not say much if you were a couple G's over....but if your a hotshot driver you better be under
@@PavingNewPaths Also the F450 has bigger brakes.
You are on the money with this! Pin weight may be under payload but how it transfers may change that. Great video best one I have seen in this topic. I have an old 350 that is at 12500 gvw and 20000. We are right at the edge of being over.
Thank you! I really wanted to show that the F350 and the F450 are basically the same truck! The F450 has some upgraded options but, they make it a less capable truck and we showed that with the scale slips! We wanted the F 450, but the math would not work as we knew we would be over 14K on the truck when loaded down for fulltime living! Also, it made us realized that a 20,000 lb trailer if loaded will max out both trucks!
@@PavingNewPaths sorry everyone badgering you!
Love your content and if you roll through south Mississippi again.....we'll feed ya right and make ya fat!
@@tedsheldon11 Thank you Ted!
Thank you for doing such an excellent job on this comparison! You hit every point and did so exceptionally well. There is so much confusion out there on these two trucks and you all cleared all that up very well .
I have a 2022 F350 Lariat 6.7L and the reason I went with the F350, (although I wish I could get the front axle on an F350 with 19.5" wheels as an option), is because I have a truck camper that comes in at 4800 pounds and I pull a 16' trailer. I needed the extra payload capacity and I also drive empty a lot so I did not want the 430 gears. I have the 3.55. Nice job and thank you again!
Thank you! I made this video because there is a lot of misinformation out there on these two trucks! The F450 pickup is not the truck you thought you were buying most of the time! Yes, it is nice and has lots of cool upgrades but they take away from the payload capacity! At the end of the day the F450 is just a variant of the F350 but the badge on the side gives it the impression that it is a bigger and better truck!
Perfect video! Thanks!
Thank you!
Another great video with lots of useful F-350 vs F-450 comparisons. On a previous video you mentioned the F-350 bed rails were raised by 2” beginning with either the 2016 or 2017 model years [cannot remember which]. I agree that can become problematic for Fifthwheel towing.
Ford did it in 2017, not sure when the other brands did it but they are all taller than they used to be! It does create some issues with bedrail clearances if you have the wrong set up between the hitch and pinbox!
Great Video Sir!!!!
Thank you!
great job guys, THANK YOU !
Thank you!
Answered so many questions thank you.
Thank you for watching!
The biggest thing I've seen is no matter what 450 trim level you buy, they all start out with the same "bones" whereas a 350 you have to spec it out and ensure the proper tow packages are installed. Much easier, in my humble opinion, to buy a 450. It's all ready to go. Just how much comfort/convenience you desire on the trim package.
We are talking about the version that everyone is using to pull the big RV's nowadays! That is usually a lariat and up trim package for both, so having to "work" to spec them out is not a thing! You are right both the F350 and F450 start out as the same bones and use most of the same parts! When it is done The F450 is a very nice truck but it is an F350 with some nice upgraded that make it less capable for what the truck is being used for! Pulling heavy Fifth wheels with 4k plus pin weight!
@@PavingNewPaths Completely understand the "version" of the 350 everyone is using. My point is no matter what trim level 450 you buy it IS the right version already. No need to spec out anything. Plug n Play. You buy a 450 it's ready to tow. No need to make sure it has dual rear wheels, etc..like you do on a 350. 😎
@@randymoy5190 choosing a drw 350 when specing the trucks takes the same work as choosing a 450. There is a box you check for both if you want a 350 drw, or a 450. I suppose that 'drw' can make it hard since you have 3 extra letters you have to read. You make it sound as if you are sweating pointing the mouse and clicking.
@@dchambers25 No sweat at all if I get a 450. The work is already done. 🤠
@@randymoy5190 yeah you are right! I had to click another box on the order form and my finger cramped up. Not to mention I had to add the bedliner, choose limited trim, rapid supplemental heat and wheel well liners! Truly an exhausting 45 secs to do all that!
Braking and stability is a bonus on the F450 when loaded with the largest of slide in campers!
Yes with a a truck bed camper the upraded brakes would benefit you! Stability I'm not sure I can buy into that!
Thanks for doing g this with the results you actually showed.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
GREAT VIDEO BROTHER!!!!, I’m a Cummins guy myself, but I still enjoyed the video 💯👍
The end of the vid made me laugh out loud 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! Hope you are going to do the same test with that Ram.
I would love too! I need someone with a RAM to come hang out for the day and we can make it happen!
Tell Eric what a good looking truck he has! And it's the exact same color as my F-350 :) Great comparison by the way, best one I've seen.
It is a good looking truck! Thank you for watching!
Great job laying out real numbers!!
Thank you! I wanted to show data and let the viewers decide what is best for them!
Best comparison video I've seen in a long time. If only you had the big three available to do the same comparison, boy would that have them scrambling in the comments.
Thank you so much! I would love to do the big three it would be a great video! There is so much scrambling in these comments already and its Ford vs. Ford!
😂 Loved the intro! 😂 I went with the F-450 (2019) primarily because of the wide-track front suspension. The 8' difference on turning radius does not sound like a lot if you haven't driven one, until you get into a tight spot. What I gave up was some mpg's because of the 4.30 rear end being the only option, stupid expensive tires (19.5") with limited selection for replacement, and a little bit of ride comfort. I don't ever plan on towing more than my 24k (30' flat bed I have for work) or my 20k Seismic, so I would have got the 4.11 or even 3.73 rear end if it was an option. From what I understand, the F-450 is actually derated to keep it at 14,000#, which prevents it from going into a commercial truck class. The capacity is lower because the bigger brakes & suspension components are heavier than the F-350. I believe there is a difference in the front frame as well. The loaded driving roughness on the F-450 improves a lot when you put air bags on it.
You can't go wrong with either truck. In the end, unless you need max. towing/payload capacity, it's just a matter of personal preference, and are you willing to give up some mpg's for the wide-track suspension. The only thing I can say you were totally wrong about is.....I GO RV'ing BY MYSELF !!! 😆 Great side-by-side real world comparison!!!
Thank you! I tried to have fun with it since it's a hot topic in the RV world! They are both great trucks and the turning radius is pretty awesome! The problem with the big RV's is you will run out of payload capacity well before you ever reach the max towing capacity of these trucks! We were about to get an F450, and the math never checked out for us to not be over 14,000lbs. on the truck! That is why we went with the F350 we knew how heavy our camper would be living in it full time! (For this video we tried to max the RV weight out but normally we are about 500lbs less when living in it) In the end if you max these trailers out at 20K you are at the upper limits of both of the trucks! The bigger RV's if loaded down need bigger trucks!
@@PavingNewPaths I always cringe when I see guys pulling big trailers, especially ANY triple axles, with SRW trucks, or telling people in the forums/groups “It’s fine! I’ve been doing it for years!” Then they like to call anyone that is telling folks how to do it right, the tow police. I just tell ‘em, It’s fine!!!…until it’s not…
That is true the tow police guys usually are the ones that doing it wrong! There is no way a triple axle toyhauler should ever be pulled by a SRW truck! I heard a saying once that if your trailer has 6 tires your truck better have 6 tires!
Wide track front suspension? Come on dude....
@@alextrainor2552 You've obviously never had to pull a big trailer into tight spots.....😂
Great video we watch everything you put out.
Did you every consider sumo suspension enhancement for the 5th wheel?
Thank you! We looked into the Full Independent suspension at one point but were leaning that way because of the ride quality plus the braking capacity by going to disc brakes! We ultimately decided that we would pull our RV around and see how it did and honestly, we have been doing it for 2 years now and would likely only do any upgrades if there was ever an issue with our stock setup that needed major repairs! I have however been toying with the idea of adding shocks to the trailer axles!
@@PavingNewPaths
Thanks the wife and I are in our 4th month of full time. If you get a chance look at sumo springs for the camper. Jerry from I love rv life has a great video about them. We have a F 350 srw and a solitude 310 GK both 2022. All good so far. Hope to see you on the road some day. Congrat on the new baby. Take care
Thank you! Enjoy the life it is truly amazing!
We've had our 2022 F350 now for a year towing a 42 foot 5th wheel, 2 axles. Yeah, sometimes I wish we'd gone with the 450, but I've learned how to drive it pretty good. Been in some very tight spots and making 1 or 2 adjustments isn't a big deal. I also know that the more options you add, the less you can haul, so we opted NOT to get the 4x4 and stuck with the XLT with the moon roof. The trucks done it's job superbly with just over 30k miles on her. Not sure why your F450 didn't have the upfitter switches, but the 22's came standard with them on the 450 from what we were told and saw. We love our truck, it does it's job and that's what matters.
The F350 is the better choice for towing these bigger RV's than the F450! The reason is the F450 pickup version is not actually a bigger more capable truck! It is just and F350 outfitted with some extra options that in turn make it a less capable truck in terms of Payload and also max towing if the F350 has a 4:10 rear end! The F450 is nice but if it has a bed on it you didn't get bigger better truck, you just got an optioned F350! Now there are a few out there that went with the actual F450 that is a class 4 truck and that one is a bigger and better truck! But it is a work truck and doesn't come with very nice creature comforts on the interior!
Awesome video! Great data.
Thank you!
With the exception of the leather seats, both heated and cooled, plus adaptive cruise control everything shown in these trucks is available in the XLT.
Which would actually be the better choice in both models as they would have better payload numbers!
Great video… would love to see comparison of your 350 vs 350 srw to show what you get upgrading to a dually
It would be really the payload capacity! The SRW truck would not be very equipped to handle the trailer at the weight we had it at during this test! We did our best to move the weight to the rear of the Trailer, but we still had around 4200lbs of pin weight on the Truck! Your also at the max Gross Combined Weight Rating of 30,000lbs for a SRW truck as well as very close to max towing capacity! The SRW trucks are great but are better suited for campers with a 16,000 GVWR and lower!
Our Ford F350 and Momentum 410 (maiden voyage) were just resecued off of the I90 Turnpike in Mass by a Dodge 5500. I made a couple of Shorts and videos about our experience. In all, three very expensive tow bills to get from Orlando to Laconia, NH. We appreciate your video as we are contemplating upgrading to a F450, Dodge 5500 or perhaps a Frieghtliner.
If you have a 410 and are running at max capacity, the F350 is the better choice over the F450! Unless you are getting the actual F450 class 4 truck, but if your considering that I would look at the F550 or the dodge 5500 they are really set up to handle the weight and have capacity left over!
I love that you weighed truck and trailer basically separate. The way you did this weight test is exactly how you should check your weights. I hope others pay attention.
Thank you! I recently did a video that was about the exact how to on this subject with a breakdown of how to use the scale slips to determine what the mean and how to use the info! You can Check it out here! ua-cam.com/video/Zv6wrVJUvwQ/v-deo.html
Omg love the ending!! Lol lol I believe you are absolutely correct on the difference between 350 and 450. Isn't it also true that the 450's eat up tires more due to the wide track front axle? Again, fantastic video to show all the comparisons. I think if you get above a 20k trailer, just go to an HDT. :)
Thank you! It wasn't hard to convince him to bring the RAM for the ending once I told him what I wanted! Eric and several other owners I have talked to say the front-end wanders on the highway! We went with the F350 because the math said our RV would make the F450 overweight! HDT would be awesome!
As a longtime operator of a 379 Peterbilt I would choose the 450 both trucks meaning the Fords are rated on paper as the same. But the 450 is made to do maximum work all day every day , The 350 is for the weekend warrior . The difference and ride quality is mainly due to the profile of the sidewall of the tires. Taller sidewall has more deflection and is less stable under loads also tread pattern where is a thing on high profile tires. That is why the 450 has the larger wheel size and a shorter sidewall more miles per tire. so if you’re just towing your camper to Florida once a year or Arizona and you go camping occasionally the 350 will probably be fine. But if you’re a full-time RV or I would not pass up the 450 the price is very close when comparably equipped same motor same transmission. By the way nice job on the video I watch the entire thing before I come in it and I think you did a thorough job.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video! I would say a flat top Pete would be my preferred choice in tow vehicles!
Great information and video. Your channel was recommended by JD for BTBRV. Thanks for the review of both the F-350 & F-450.
Thank you! We are glad you enjoyed it and we take that as a huge compliment that JD is sending people our way!
Great Video love the ending
Thank you! Didn't take much to convince him to come make fun of some Ford guys!
I have a 2016 F350 platinum dually diesel. It has the wide track frt axle and a 4:30 rear gear. From what I hear they only made these in 2015 and 2016. I found the unicorn:::)))
You do have the unicorn it's called the Tow Boss! As soon as they decided to sell a non-commercial rated F450 they stopped making the F350 with the wide track front end!
@@PavingNewPaths problem is I have a F450 that’s been on order FOREVER!!! And can’t decide if I just wanna keep this truck….. ugh
@@PavingNewPaths as soon as I saw this video I was like yup need to see this!!!!!
It was interesting making the video because they are so similar I expected there to be a huge difference! When I factored in the extra weight from all my accessories I added to my truck the F450 would be way over 14K. Not everyone travels like us but because of that the F350 is the better choice! I was interesting to see that a 20k trailer will max out both of these trucks!
First of all I want to say that was an excellent job you guys did and the numbers don't lie. Here's where I see the differences in the trucks if we're talking safety, starting at the ground the 350 has 10 ply tires the 450 has 14 ply tires you are nowhere near the Max capacity of the tires on the 450. Then let's go to the brakes the brakes are a lot larger on the 450 and yes the 350 can stop the trailer and truck but if your trailer comes unplugged or wires pinched on the trailer and you lose the brakes on the trailer the f-450 comes into play immediately safety Factor. As far as looks well I like the looks of the 19.5 in rims over the 17-in rims that right there friends is worth a dollar 2.98 at least. Well until you replace the tires and I can say that with experience I just put two michelin's on the front of my 2020 F450 $962 for two. I've been towing a Weekend Warrior toy hauler that is a 49 footer with a 17 ft garage and yes it's 49 ft. Let's just say it might have taken you more than two tries to back my trailer in that spot with a F350. I've had a few 450s I had a 2008 put 160,000 miles on. 2010 put 150,000 miles on it and it blew the engine. A 2016 and put 86,000 miles on it traded it in on a 2020 and it just rolled over 50,000 miles on it. I almost forgot the reason I was going with the 450s is the height of the bed rails my weekend warrior was a 2009 doesn't have the ground clearance the newer trailers have the 450 compared to the 350 the edge of the bed was pretty close to 3 in lower the Chevy was like 5 in taller and the Dodge was six or seven inches taller which made those not work with the trailer I have. The place she should have really compared to 350 and the 450 is in the Safeway parking lot once again that's where the 450 shines.I really do think you guys did a great job but one truck doesn't fit all jobs.
Thank you! Here is more numbers for you the rear tires on the F350 combined have a load capacity of 11,640lbs so they far exceed the rear axle rating of 9900lbs! The new trucks with the 10 speed, when in Tow mode with the exhaust brake on do such a great job of handling these trailers that I hardly ever rely on my brakes to do much but come to a complete stop! I do agree the 19.5 rims are way better looking than the 17's! We had issues with our RV and bedrail clearances when we first got it, and we ended up changing the pinbox on the RV to fix the issue! I will say the F450 is better for daily driving, but we have taken the F350 all over the place and the only time we have had problems was not because of turning, but more because maybe a dually shouldn't be there!
The F450 are 1.2 inch bigger on the back and 1inches bigger on the front. This is to compensate for the taller heavier tires. Overall braking power between the 2 trucks is the same. The taller heavier 19.5 inch tires take more brakes to stop.
@@williamreigart4998 Good point!
I love the video - it was both fun and very informative! I'm not a big Ute* person, so I appreciate it when these videos are fun to watch and actually engross me. I also appreciate the time that you took to give us the real world comparisons. Also, your humour at the beginning on great! Apart from this video being greatly informative, it's a great excuse for the boys to talk shop and play with their toys, so to speak!
*I'm in Australia and the differences in terminology are that those vehicles are what we call Utes (Utility Vehicles); when we refer to trucks, we are referring to semis, etc.
That was a great real world honest comparison . Thank you.
Thank you! I Love both trucks and wanted the F450 but because the math said we would be overweight we went with the F350!
Great video! I know that took a lot of work to pull off.
I've had both trucks and currently in a 450. 2 other areas I can feel a difference are emergency stops and pulling in high winds. Those big brakes on the F450 shine when the pucker factor is up. I do have a love hate relationship with the 19.5's tho. Their stiff which is good sometimes but bad as well. They can be a pain to balance too. I'm running centramatics front and rear which helps a fair amount.
Thank you! There was a lot going on between takes to pull this off! I have heard lots of guys change to a 20-inch rim so they can have more choice of tires! If I had an F450 part of the appeal is those beautiful 19.5 rims so I am not sure I could take them off! They are both great trucks and I tried like crazy to make the math work so I could get one! In the end we just needed more payload!
I just put the centramatics on the front of my F-450 because I was starting to get a little feathering/cupping on the FR tire. They definitely seem to help. I've got 47k on the original tires with plenty of tread left, so I figured I'd give it a try before dropping ~$1,200 on a new set of front tires. It'll be worth the $200 to get a few more miles out of the tires, and hopefully make the next set last longer!
You guys got me on the Tire life! My stock tires only lasted around 44K miles!
@@PavingNewPaths the 450 C&C has more payload but not without downsides too. I have one of those too for business. It rides like absolute wagon unloaded. I mean it hurts to drive it without several thousand lbs on the flatbed. No way I'd chose one of those for a daily driver and a tow pig.
It is more capable but who wants to ride around in a work truck all the time!
Thanks for the information video on the two trucks! I think if i had a trailer over 20klbs i would get the Frieightliner sport hauler. Thanks
Thank you! We have been seeing the bigger trailers being pulled by both trucks, and we know how close we are to max capacity with a 20,000lb. trailer! If we were to go bigger, I think the Freightliner Sports Chassis would be awesome!
Saying wow just doesn't do the time involved in making this video but wow. Excellent video. And I see you got BTBR approval, too! LOL
Thank you! It was a lot of work to make this videe!