Door handle is very old tech What is the point of retractable ones? Aero? Luxury cars very poor quality because they symbols of success not used only for transport. The biggest problem with that market is people are tolerant of failure after failure. Entry level cars tend to be better made.
@@ericrotermund1004 I thought about that but figure they can't by regulation. I test drove one and did take note that you just about don't need the mirrors between the cameras and the situational screen that shows everything around the vehicle. I imagine the plan is to push for the removal of the regulations if you can offer a suitable replacement system.
@@Nabeelco Well, Sandy Munro of Munro & Associates, an ENGINEERING firm that disassembles cars from various manufacturers (including Tesla) to actually analyze the engineering and manufacturing of them, is quite impressed with the ENGINEERING of Tesla. I think I will take the educated advice of a real automotive engineer over yours any day.
I admire the brass nuts to charge the customer for not having a decent spread of dealers.I will wait till someone like Samsung starts making cars and it needs similar maintenance to a washing machine except for brakes and tyres then recycle every ten or fifteen years.
Right on! I traded this car for a Lexus LS500 and I have another Tesla and it will be gone as soon as my Rav4 Prime arrives. You don't realize how important dependability is until you don't have it.
And looking forward to when Toyota releases BEV's by 2025, and we can look at objective quality data. With multiple Toyota dealers in my area, if their BEV works well, re outfits like Consumer Reports, suddenly I can buy a BEV with lots of consequence. Fanbois will randomly claim "But Mars", of course.
@@InternetDude: I think part of that is someone's age. For those in the middle class in our late 50's / early 60's, many older used cars teens could afford from the 60's and 70's were just HORRIBLE cars. LOTS and LOTS of problems. To many of us, reliability became paramount, and the likes of Toyotas at reasonable prices became a GODSEND.
@@InternetDude my Dodge Charger had double the issues you ran into with your telsa. I just unloaded that thing after hitting 82,000 miles for a Honda and I couldn’t be happier.
Bought a 2014 P85 about 3 months ago. So far this has failed in that short time: - Drive unit (covered by Tesla) - MCU (partly covered by Tesla) - Drive unit sub frame (NOT covered by Tesla and this was expensive) - 12V battery (NOT covered by Tesla) - Battery heating unit (NOT covered by Tesla) - Wiring harness (NOT covered by Tesla) - Xenon bulb (NOT covered by Tesla) All in all it has already cost me about DKK 34.000 (about 5.500 USD) in repairs and it has been to the service center three times. It also seems like the battery is losing capacity rapidly so I'm wondering if Tesla will be willing replace that under warranty before it runs out a little over a year from now. What was supposed to be a dream come true is starting to look like a bit of a nightmare honestly. Edit: I forgot to mention that my rear camera also stopped working about the same the 12v battery and the dive unit went bad. This still doesn't work after Tesla fixed everything else and I got the car back from the service center.
@@per6541 You are right. However, in fairness my Model S P85 has still been cheaper than a new Model 3 SR+ (even counting in the repairs to date) and it's a bigger car that feels more premium inside. So even though the gamble didn't pay off well as I had hoped all is not that terrible either. But of course the worry is whether it quickly will be if it keeps breaking down at that rate.
2016 Toyota Prius. Bought new. Paid $21,000. Current mileage: 112,000. Issues: replace accessory battery under warranty. Time lost: a couple of hours. Cost: $0.00 Range on 1 fillup: 500 miles. Time to fuel: 5 minutes. Value realized: Priceless. Cost to drive: $0.04 per mile.
As soon as I saw that door handle design I knew it would be nothing but trouble. Land Rover also uses them and they are absolute garbage on their cars too
@@barriewilliams4526 the old Land Rover's out last the new versions. You can still see Land Rover Discovery's, Defender's from the 1980's and 1990's doing hard work in the countryside in the UK. Anything from the year 2000 onwards started to be plagued with electrical issues.
@@bentullett6068 . We always have at least 3 in our family, have done since middle 80's and they're ultra reliable. My neighbour in UK has his original mark one he just uses around his farm, an eighties Defender for hard work mainly in forestry and his 90's Rangey for everyday use. All need minimum maintenance. My son's SVR does mega high miles, 70,000 in three years and only problem has been exhaust which JLR said he'd clanked and he claimed just "suddenly went mega loud". In the end agreed 50/50 on warranty. The problems I hear about, but also apply to Peugeot and VW are particulate filter problems. Unfortunately choking up engines for emissions purposes ruins reliability and fuel efficiency. I hear on these social media threads people saying, "They're shit & unreliable " and they're all from people who have never even sat in one let alone owned them 🤦♂️
I have bought new cars from BMW, Benz, Toyota, Hyundai, and Genesis. Never had any issue; Tesla owners need to stand up for their rights & demand quality. As long as people put up with it, it won’t go away. I am holding out on buying Teslas until they prove that they can produce reliable products.
Tesla started as a Kickstarter campaign and it's still working on becoming a car company. Remember the game plan was to make a expensive car and learn from it to make a cheaper car. So basically if you brought the first Tesla model S you brought a expensive beta but you where helping the electric car movement
You are absolutely right. I wish I could meet up tesla owners all together and Stand up strong and resolve this kind of violence what tesla is doing to their customers. I sometimes wonder if I am still in USA where justice is still alive. I am very sad that this company doesn't have dignity. My case is absolutely manufacturer's defect, I have proof, but they keep denying and there's no place to complain about this. Please help if any of you know where I can go to for this issues. State of California consumer's right claim doesn't apply for this complaints, and they don't reply my email. I have sent them email with explanations, but no reply at all. I can't believe this is happening in this country!!
I recently purchased a 2020 model S, It has 1500 miles on it as of today. My brand new model S it has been at the Tesla service deportment for a week and it probably will be there for anther week. It had a noise from the right side front suspension. I will keep you guys posted when I hear from Tesla.
I am probably going with the Cadillac Lyrics if the Telsa holds out until 2022. I would rather have a vehicle from a know car company with success for decades. Heck, can't be much worst.
For the price of this car, its unvelieveable all the problems it has. I'd say this car is ultimate money pit!! but still people line up to buy them! :o
Kinda like…..the Range Rover, or Jaguar, or BMW M3. This is not surprising. It’s a new car and it’s high performance. High performance never equals reliability. Anyone who’s owned a sports car will tell you about….sorry aboot all the problems they had. Are Canadians this ignorant?
We've had a Lexus from new for five years now as a family car, survived two kids from infant to school age and still immaculate as new and never had anything done than annual service. But that's the difference between a real automaker and a tech company that treat customers like Beta testers.
I thought that I have had too many repairs with my 2018 Audi Q7 Prestige (will change for RX350 at the end of 2022 when they come with new model), but after I watched your video I understood that it could be worse. Thanks for your true input. People like you makes our life better and easier.
What a nightmare. I’m glad I bought an M5 five years ago instead of the P100 I was considering. New tyres are the only things requiring replacement over the 5 years and no failures at all.
@@InternetDude agreed, but I personally believe when all the major manufacturers particularly the Europeans go electric they will destroy Tesla’s current market position.
Out of the top 20 electric cars sold in Europe in 2020, only the Model 3 made the list, and it wasn't even on top. So Tesla is NOT the leader in Europe and with even more competition coming (e.g. VW) they will likely not ever top the list. Renault Zoe was #1. There is still an insane amount of hype around Tesla in North America but there are more competitors coming in 2021 so they should be concerned.
@@mikerzisu9508 oh I’ve heard worse with the recently made models. Terrible quality control. They are such pieces of junk. Now that all he big car companies are making electric cars Tesla will sink like a brick in water. Just a matter of time.
@@yankees29 many would disagree. Most of the latest reviews show little to no problems at all, and Tesla is wayyyyyyy ahead of these other auto manufacturers in their tech and charging infrastructure. Easily the best EVs on the market in about every way
Had steering bolt recall done and steering would pop at extreme angles afterwards. The fix was adding a washer. I diagnosed this, had frunk tub fully disassembled when brought in and Tesla still charged me $200+ + diagnostic fee (waived after I complained). The reason for the pop is obvious due to aluminum subframe. Each bite into the brittle aluminum surface is going to weaken it. Thus washer is the fix. Pretty clear Tesla is full of amateur car engineers beyond the power train.
I heard someone once say, "Owning a Tesla is like beta testing a car." I really like the idea of a self driving vehicle. I really like the idea of an EV. I really wish Teslas were more like what they market themselves as. I think Tesla's stock is in a bubble right now. If the QC was up to industry standards, then I could believe maybe the company was worth more than $300 per share. One smart/advanced EV from GM, Ford, or whatever major car company, could actually hurt Tesla. It would likely be more reliable.
That is probably true, owing a Tesla is like beta testing a car, because there is so much beta software in there. I don't think "full self driving" will be here for quite a few years yet no matter what Elon tweets. I think Tesla's stock is overvalued too but there is a ton of hype around the company and if the stock price was based off profit and things it would absolutely be much lower. The best thing we can have going forward is better competition to Tesla like Porsche, Audi, Lexus, etc. Tesla doesn't need to have better build quality and customer service because they don't have any real competition so there is no end in sight for new customers buying their products.
I agree generally but I would say it's hard to overstate just how far ahead Tesla's batteries are, which is the most important thing. That and their fleet capability for improving Autopilot are quite valuable even if their stocks are BS. Most stocks are probs BS in one way or another though. Hopefully bringing other factories online, like their German factory, will reduce strain and improve build quality. Otherwise it's a bit wasteful having batteries that can last 500,000-1,000,000+miles, with 10% degradation, if the door handles, suspension, steering and everything aren't up expectation. Reliability was always going to take time though. Fingers crossed. I don't think Nissan Leaf owners have issues (I hope!) although the battery tech and acceleration isn't in the same league obviously. I can't see Toyota/Honda catching Tesla up with battery tech but who knows. Even recently there have been some very good scientific progress there that could help everyone catch up.
@@jamesatkins7592 Nothing special with their batteries. All the batteries are developed by another company or have known performance capabilities. Like the million mile battery which tesla wants to use which is from catl, a Chinese company that makes batteries for buses that have a 15,000 cycle life. Tesla isn't special, they just put it in a nice package like apple. Kia on the other hand adds paddles for live changing of regen which helps in everyday driving. More useful than tesla and comes with blended regen.
What I have to say in response is why aren't other (monopolistic) automobile manufacturers feet held to the fire as well? All the major auto manufacturers have produced absolute shitboxes from time to time. I owned a Ford Escort in the 80s and so did several of my friends. Mine was a horrible, costly, abomination while all my friends examples seemed to work fine. I live to see the extinction of ICE vehicles as I believe it's an incredibly inefficient means of transportation.
@@bpalpha the thing is my friend, when you talk about an 80s escort, you aren't talking about an 80k car that is supremely overrated and held at such a high staple. If we take a car from that age that would cost the equivalent of 80k we'd end up with a Lexus ls400, one of the best, most reliable cars in history. Now, Let's take for example a 50k Volvo xc40 recharge (the all electric one) a car wich seemed to have no reliability issues (it's a volvo at the end of the day) and has the same advantages and it's not overrated and has an actual quality interior and cost literally a new honda accord less than the tesla, so there, that's why tesla is (or rather isnt enough) judged the way it is, because it's a brand who brainwashes people into believing they have the best car in the world, when they clearly dont.
Service at the service center is great but out here in the boonies it takes too long for mobile tech visits. Delivery was great here. Tesla sure has varying service good/bad depending on location it seems.
2014 P85 multiple failures I have a 2014 P85 with 76k miles. I have had to have all handles replaces, both rear light assemblies replaces, front sensors replaces, odometer replaced, UMC replaced 2x. In addition, motor failed at drive thru took 5 wks to repair. It had to be towed. 3 weeks later the battery failed with 58% charge, on Interstate. 95 miles from home on Sunday evening. Towed again, took 4 weeks to repair. Thank God I have extended coverage. All these things happend in last 1.5 yrs. Not sure I will buy another.
Tesla was just starting with mass manufacturing in 2014. They had no experience with it. Nowdays is another story. It wouldn't be the most valued car company in the world for no reason but people like you only live in present and don't see the potential of what a car company like this can become.
One of your commenters said that he had a 2013 Tesla that had problems because of "old tech." the 2017 model he subsequently purchased has new tech and is much better. My oldest car is a Toyota that I purchased new in 2002 and almost everything on it still works. It is definitely " old tech" but it still performs well without being constantly in the shop. It has over 207,000 miles on it and gets me where I am going reliably. The computer that I am viewing this video on is probably from 2013. It is "old tech" but allows me to type letters, play video games, watch videos, check e-mail etc. Just like a new ones ! I am sure that the memory and speed are down compared to a new one, but it still works well. Quit making excuses for your Teslas. They are all poorly constructed and poorly backed by a company that does not care even one little bit about you once the sale has been made.
I can't argue with that. I used to own two Teslas, I had enough and traded this one for a Lexus LS and the other for a RAV4 Prime. Hello reliability and quality LOL
So, So Happy that I saw this video! I was planning on buying a 2016 S85 today, Car has 64,000 mi @ $41k Car does not have a single scratch or ding.... excellent appearance, 2 previous owners, from Fla. As young salesman walked between me and the car to open the rear, he opened the Recharge door, caught it on his trousers, ......ripping it completly off the car! Major $$, I would think, so I am waiting for it to be repaired,... BEFORE buying! AFTER watching THIS Video...... there is NO WAY I am buying a "Mechanic Addicted" car, as this Video CLEARY shows!! .........MAJOR faults, and Expenses $$$ ..... Thank you.....thank you...Thank you!!
I’m glad to hear that. Teslas customer service has really gone downhill. I wouldn’t recommend anyone buy a Tesla without plenty of research first. Repairs are expensive, build quality isn’t up to par on new vehicles, etc. Personally I wouldn’t buy another for at least a few years to see if they can grow up as a company.
Wow, thanks for making this video. I was considering buying a used Model S and that Ranger fee put me right off. I would prefer to get a Nissan Leaf or some more mainstream auto manufacturer.
I agree I love my 2018 X and I never have these problems. Mine has close to 150,000 and she’s still Working great overall. I love driving it cross country
My tesla x is totally failed. The battery stopped all of sudden right after I have charged completely 200miles. The screen showed 0mile and it turned off by itself. I called to tesla customer service, they said it's not common problem they see, but when a towing guy came and he said they see this kind of problem all the time on tesla and they towing tesla on this issue at least 3 times a day. They never going to buy tesla they said. It's nothing to do with warranty issue. It's manufactur defects. You paid $120000 for a car and after 2 years drove, it broke and the car company denied it's not their fault!? That's B.S. please post your story so that people know that they don't lose money on junks.
Reports on Chinese made Tesla M3s coming out are build quality has improved. Expectations are Berlin made M3s and MYs will match standards of the European market with Fremont factory to be retrofitted once the tech in Berlin has been proven. Austin made Tesla’s should be leading the build quality improvements in the US by end 2021. There’s still hope.
@@wattlebough Yeah, even assuming all that is true (they said that "quality issues were going away" when they introduced both the X and the 3, so hard to believe it now), by then they will have shipped what, 1.5 million of subpar quality cars? That's simply not acceptable. We're not talking bootleg software here, we're talking cars that run in the tens of thousands, and for that you get to be a beta tester? How is that acceptable? Unfortunately, the world seems to be full of fanboys and people with Stockholm syndrome for Tesla...no matter the faults, they'll keep their crusade going
Luckily, in the early 20's, LOTS and LOTS of competitive BEV's will be an option. Not to mention, of course, HEV's and PHEV's. Of course, since Tesla doesn't sell those, fanbois like to claim they're not EV's. LOL
Elon said Full self driving would be ready in 2017 - his famous quote "maybe in 3 months definitely in 6 months". And his famous fully autonomous cross country driving demonstration? Never happened. I would never buy a car from a company when a bozo like that runs it (with iron fist!)
Indeed. When I bought my second Tesla in 2018 I paid for FSD, something like $9,200. I feel like a fool for being tricked by Elon. Won’t make that mistake again. Don’t believe what they say is coming, buy based on what has already come out. I feel misled or maybe even lied to.
Bozo? Lmao that dude is smarter than the majority of the people alive rn. Fully autonomous is hard to gauge due to government restrictions which he’s come out and said
I don't believe they will ever have it using the method they are. And they just shouldn't promise it. Release it and sell it when it's ready. Test it on your own dime like everybody else.
I can disagree. these are issues that happened near when the car released. The 2020 models of these cars are fantastic, without nearly any of these issues. But the used ones from 2012- to around 2014 are really bad with reliability.
@@MrSupernova111 I don't. Tesla's aren't great, they've got shit alignment issues with the panels, and generally bad quality control. BUT, they are very reliable nowadays, especially the model 3 and y, followed by the s. Model x has shite reliability though lmao.
I don’t think any of those issues are really worth something. I have a lots of cars before and almost all of them had a lot of issues. I can ignore all minor issues because of autopilot and acceleration. Fair trade off.
@Nunya Bidniz Tesla actually sells their cars at a loss I don't know if you knew that and those Tesla stocks are just a big old bubble and it's going to pop LOL
Well, you really had something to be bothered about. But my experience with my P85D bought in California on December of 2014 have been totally different. I never had those problems but let me tell you, I drive my car only in Comfy mode. I do not speed around for nothing, and in Highways, I go about 5 miles below the speed limit. What I can tell you is that at about 37k miles, I got a message about the battery telling me I had issues with it, and to take it to a service center, so I did that, and during my time there it was found that the battery pack had dropped below 85% capacity in less than 4 years (it was late October of 2016), so the battery pack was exchanged under warranty. Because it was a major exchange, they tested the whole system with the new battery and they also found that the 12 volt battery also needed to be replaced together with the cooling fluid, so got a new one with they said, a new better system, but I had never had a problem with either of the two batteries before. Also, it was found something with one of the motors, it was found it was an older version prone to a bearing dis-function, so it was also changed. I was at the time kind of surprised at how many things they were finding when I never got a problem about that. Well, the findings did not finish there. During that testing, two of the door handles also failed, so the technician kindly replaced the FOUR OF THEM!!!!!. That was supposed to be a total of almost three days I was going to be without my car, so I was given a loaner. After not three days but a week, I got my car back and was given a toilet paper list of all the things that were done to the car. At that moment I thought that my car was actually ready to explode with new problems, but whatever they were, they found and fixed. I was totally surprised because I had given that car total and complete care!!!! But I am happy to say that all the identified issues that were found at the time of that visit were fully resolved, and now my car is 7 years old with more than 200k miles on it and never got any other problem since then!!!! And I am taking it for the yearly checkout and the car is working as new or better!!!!! And in my august of 2019 visit was told that I had the old m-1 computer system and that it was going to be substituted by the new M-2 version. But in those visits many things were done to my car all of them under warranty, and I don't remember to have those expenses he had with all my visits combined- maybe 400.00 USD total so far!!!! I am really sorry for this gentleman, but I guess every owner of early Tesla cars has its own experience. Mine have always been top notch, and now my daughter and her husband are also proud owners of a Model 3 and a Model Y, and do not have any problems on them, and all of us are laughing at the gas expenses and regular gas car maintenance that we don't have or need!!!!! Now, my next on the list is the Cybertruck- we are waiting for the three motor version, but now Tesla had changed a lot of stuff on the web site for that truck, and the expected delivery if any, is any moment in 2024!!!! That will be a different story, I will be driving a better and more comfortable vehicle than my old trusted P85D!!!!
I replaced this car with a Lexus and I should have done it sooner. Lesson learned, do not buy garbage Teslas. I'd say having the battery and drive unit replaced within 2 years is absolutely disgusting. That's like replacing the engine and transmission on a gas car after 2 years, almost unimaginable. Yes Tesla service used to be better back in the day, service is not as good today (the people are nice though). I had another Tesla with problems (even more) so I would never ever recommend anyone buy a Model S. Buy a 3 and treat it like a rental car, beat on it and don't keep it past the warranty period. The worst thing you can do is own an older Tesla out of warranty.
@@InternetDude Well, good luck with that crappy ICE stuff. Your experience with Tesla was out of the Bell curve. Teslas are shown to be far better than any ICE car, and that includes LEXUS, MB, BMW, etc. And now there are more Teslas in my family, a 3 and a Y, and my son-in-law is waiting for his S Plaid.
Very interesting history on your Model-S. I'm glad you are able to look back and say that overall the experience was positive but that doesn't excuse the seemingly endless issues you had to deal with. As with any new technology built by a relatively new company, there are going to be issues but you had to endure more than your share. Good luck in the future.
That was the best ownership review that I have come across. Even today, both the S and X are not recommended by Consumer Reports due to the reliability problems. The X's problems are well beyond the useless "falcon" doors. The only model recommended is the 3 (as of today). However, it is also worth mentioning that neither the 3 nor the Y have heated steering wheels yet in North America. In my case, due to a condition in my right hand, I need a heated steering wheel. Back to the Y, it is not recommended either. It has improved as production has progressed, but I would stay away from it. They've had problems with the heater that refuses to work, panel alignment, color matching issues (especially the white ones), interior rattles, even contaminated paint finish. That cabin heater problem is a safety issue in extremely cold climate areas like yours. In the meantime, I'll just continue just owning Tesla shares. P.S. - Here is the link from a fellow female canuck regarding the heater - ua-cam.com/video/RAoJeK7pYD0/v-deo.html ... and I subscribed to your channel, of course, mainly because of that gorgeous AMC Eagle 😁
I'm planing to buy a TESLA S model. This video is very useful. Thank you for the honest opinion. Hopefully new 2020 models addressed all the issues you had.
Eh I would still avoid the S & X & Y in 2021. The 3 seems to be the most reliable but it still has battery & suspension issues. They are stopping production of the S & X right now for unspecified reasons. Some people speculate they will refresh it very soon. Either way I'm out, I'm fleeing back to Toyota & Lexus.
@@InternetDude the Model 3 as tons of paint and panel fitments issues... Many Muskateers told me that NO ONE would go back anywhere after owning a Tesla! Whats up with that🤣
Our two year old Model S has worked perfectly until now, where we have an appointment to fix slow charging speeds, a yellow line around the screen and noisy wipers. Here in Norway, from what I understand and have heard, newer Models are very reliable and, because we plan to have the car for three more years,I really hope that this will continue to be the case.
For a relatively new car company when you bought the car I think they did a very good job of looking after the issues you had. I am waiting for the cyber truck before I buy as I bought stock early and when it reaches the price of the cyber truck I will get it for a very low investment.
The issues eventually got resolved but changing the fee from sending a tech to my house from $100 to $1,500 after buying the car is not a "good job of looking after the issues". I lived with the front end rattle for years as a result of that and a few techs not being able to diagnose it properly.
@@InternetDude You choose to live in the boondocks and buy a vehicle in it's infancy with limited service facilities. You must pay for their travel time.
In May 2021, I finally bought a Tesla Model S! I named it "Vader". It's a Model S 60. I've replaced my drive unit, window regulator (rear passenger window), door handle motor (front passenger door, broken micro switch), all 4 tires, the windshield, and I got the eMMC upgrade. I'm my MCU replaced with MCU2 next month (Feb 2023). Thanks for posting these videos. I watched and bookmarked them years ago and they helped me tremendously in finding a car that was "relatively" trouble free. Thanks! 😀👍🏾
Does the huge battery replacement cost scare you at all? Your car should be out of warranty if you have the 60 kWh battery?? I finally got tired of the repair bills and bought a Lexus and Toyota in place of the two Teslas I used to have in the garage.
@@InternetDude Oh, the car is VERY out of warranty. :) I'm at 252,310 km right now (I permanently switched to metric last year). The battery pack though is younger than the car. The previous owner replaced the battery pack under warranty in late 2019 (the year before I purchased the car). The battery pack still has about 90% of its estimated range, and with Superchargers being so plentiful now, I'm not worried too much about range (except when I visit towns in counties where there are no superchargers or reliable J1772 stations - Putnam & Bradford) I just make sure I'm charged up to 95% before I leave for my trip. I feel your pain though. Watching your videos helped prepare me for what was ahead. The Drive Unit replacement was the shocker. The coolant seals failed as I was pulling into work one day and my car wouldn't shift out of park once I tried to leave. I had it towed to the Jacksonville, FL Service Center (90 miles away, AAA+ towed for free) and they kept the car for 3 weeks (since they only have 1 lift at that service center). Fortunately, the bill was only $5,800 ($4,800 for a remanufactured large drive unit + $1000 for labor). My credit union was very helpful in funding my repair, since I hadn't budgeted for anything that expensive that would cripple the car. From the time I got the car (May 2021) to when the DU failed (December 2021), the DU made a 'clunk' noise every time I accelerated (forward or backwards). This was probably a sign that things were going bad. Now, the DU is silent and accelerates VERY smoothly. It has a 4 year (I'm one year in) and 50,000 mile (I'm around 10,000 miles in) warranty. So, if I have to replace the battery pack every 8 years ($9,500) and the DU every 4 years ($5,800), that's pretty much the equivalent of buying a new car every 5-6 years. I'm building my emergency fund now. :D All in all, I consider myself blessed that I purchased a Model S that was well taken care of and apparently it was a good manufacturing day at Fremont because this car is surprisingly free of 'rattles' and 'shimmies' compared to your original Model S. Even from when it first came out, I've always liked the design of the Model S. So for $25,000 (my original purchase price at 121,000 miles) and waiting 8 years to buy one, it hasn't been that bad of an experience.
I have leased 8 Mercedes since 1997. You have had more problems with this car in 5 years than I have had with all my MBZs in 23. "I'm going to live with it" are words only uttered by Tesla owners....
That attitude of "living with it" is one of the main things that piss me off about Tesla fans. They accept everything Tesla does wrong, but once another brand does 1 or 2 things in a not perfect way they instantly start bashing it. They are insufferable.
@@Astke Nail smack dab on the head. The ripple effects of that insufferable mentality they happily embraces spills over to other facets of their lives undoubtedly. Thats the dangerous part. Feel free to drive an overpriced throw away car, but losing the ability to rationalize is dangerous, you know? Kids these days...hahaha
I've had my 2008 Acura TSX for 13 years now and never had any issues; I just followed basic maintenance, and it's still running strong (250+K). I thought about getting a new car, but why have monthly payments? Also, not many people know that TSX's are made in Japan, so it's pretty much a hidden gem. Japanese cars are king and will always be king when it comes to reliability. Just bummed out that Tesla's reliability is a downer. I really want the US to improve its products and make more products in the US, but stuff like this makes people want to go somewhere else.
The TSX is a very fine car. Yep not having a car payment feels good! I am a Japanese car fan now after having the Tesla. I traded this car off on a Lexus LS500, should have done it sooner. I still have another Tesla but it will get traded off soon for a Rav4 Prime.
My Toyota Yaris 4 and a half years ago. Zero problems. I am in no way a tesla person and probably never will be. Currently at 112 thousand Kilometers. Cheers from Ontario.
WOW, bad luck. I have a blue 2015 P85. I have only had one problem. The driver door window needed a new regulator. My car has been bulletproof for 75000 miles. I live in Phoenix and supercharge several times a month. I still get 250 miles on a charge. I have never paid anything to Tesla. There is no charge to have a tech come to my home or business in Phoenix. We have two service centers. I did take it in twice for a courtesy check up and every thing was good both times. No problems and no pressure to do extra service. I love the autonomous driving feature. Year's ago I had a Lamborghini Countach 5000S that was a nightmare so I feel your pain. Sounds like you got a lemon.
@@InternetDude it's an absolute no. I was considering buying a used one. Control arms, door handles, and suspension issues. Oh don't forget the Ranger Fee
Ah OK any used S is a hard no. Brand new would be a maybe if you have full warranty and live close to a service center LOL *never* own a used Tesla out of warranty is my advice.
I've had hondas with plenty of door handle problems. For being a brand new car company,..this isn't that bad. Like you said, it never left you stranded and from the looks of it...you drive it in pretty harsh conditions (that's some hard mud paint that will be hard to take off!). I have a Mercedes E350 now and it drives like a dream...but I also baby the heck out of it!
I've owned multiple cars over 15 years, and have done most of the repairs and maintainence myself. I guess Tesla and other EVs will become mainstreet. But until they become easy to fix as toyota or honda, I won't have em on my driveway.
I don't think Tesla will ever be as easy to fix as a Toyota or Lexus. My front high voltage junction box failed, how would you DIY fix that? 400 volts DC can kill you. Very risky without taking precautions. And, you need to load a software update after changing the part. Very anti-DIY setup.
The problem with Tesla is filling their cars with unnecessary fancy electronic gizmo crap that you don't need. The more computers and gizmos, the more that can go wrong. Tesla needs to strip away all the unnecessary and make simpler cars. Ditch the fancy touch screens. They also need to work on their quality control which is horrendous. Dr. W. Edward's Deming is probably rolling in his grave!
Your patience is admirable. I like Tesla cars, but I sure am skeptical after seeing all the problems folks post about... problems that shouldn't be occurring.
In as much as I'm one of those people who usually byes cars at around 100,000 miles and puts another 100,000 or more miles on them and has never retired or sold a car before it was at least historic. I'm kind a lot more interested how Teslas do when they aren't new like yours is. I'd be very interested in how it performs and what breaks during the time I'd be more likely to own the car...
You must have the patience of a Saint! After paying a king's ransom for a car I would expect impeccable build quality and reliability. I have driven Hondas for the past 10 years with legendary Japanese reliability, but wanted a change to Electric cars. I think I'll wait a few years, thanks for your honest review and hope you upgrade to a model 3 soon !
Sorry, I thought you said you were going to trade the model S for a model 3 in your video? Lexus is a good choice, the epitamy of craftsmanship and quality, enjoy! I would buy a fully Electric Honda model, but their latest attempts at styling leave a lot to be desired!
Clicked on your link from a thread in Kirk K’s EV news from Toyota. So glad I did! 👍🏼 Terrible to hear about your experience with the Tesla product. Very relieved it’s never left you stranded either. I’m not quite on the EV train, and just waiting to see Toyota/Lexus and other Japanese companies do with their take on the EV. My hope is this reliability will just translate over. Only then will I surrender to the dark side of EV’s. Of course I’ll wait for a few waves. 30Min out of my morning well spent watching this. Love Canada by the way. My first airline as a flight attendant here in the states took me to Canada a lot. The airport codes for Canada were always easy to remember. All started with a Y. YEG, YYC, YZE, YQR, YVR etc etc etc. Edmonton I would have to say was too cold haha. Good times though. Cheers!
Toyota has announced two full EVs and I will be on board (pun intended). Teslas are cool yes but they don't have build quality, dependability and customer service sorted. I've owned two Teslas but wouldn't buy again. I think Toyota with full EVs will be some real competition for Tesla because of those reasons. The only things I see unique with Tesla in a few years is the supercharger network and autopilot. I've used Autopilot for tens of thousands of miles and it's over-rated marketing hype to date. I haven't personally tried GM's SuperCruise but it looks better in terms of not having to touch the wheel every 20-40 seconds.
The build-quality reminds me very much, and I’m not saying that as a joke, of a car I had in ‘95. It was also a red one with beige “leather” interior. A 1990 Alfa Romeo 75 V6 QV. It had....more problems than I thought there were parts in the car. But, it never really left me stranded, you could always “solve” the problem just enough to limp home. But especially the interior-finish, the general level of quality (or the lack there off), and the odd noises coming from doors, centre console, dashboard, the sunroof, and of course the inevitable cracks, rattles, vibrations and whines coming from axles, steering house, belts and other moving parts that seemed fitted by a blind man. It’s mind boggling that stuff like that is still possible in this day and age. No, no way I’m ever going to buy a Tesla. Unless they really straighten up...which seems unrealistic to me.
The 3 is a bit better built but it’s definitely going to be a solid 3+ years before Tesla has decent build quality, if ever. They are great with the tech stuff (electronics, motors) it seems but they are not the best auto maker.
InternetDude I could probably live with the issues if Tesla were a bit dedicated to delivering decent warranty service and if that free supercharging service was available anywhere in even a 100 mile radius of your house. But the way you got lifted with that free unavailable supercharger that only came in the end, more or less, and then the stuff won’t charge, they mis-diagnose, keep shoving it down the road, charge you in the end for a problem they blatantly ignored....INFURIATING. You can’t trust people like that...
@@InternetDude A lot of these motors have been in the industry for a long time. Especially heavy industry. High speed rail has been using the regeneration for a long time along with far more powerful motors and has a far high efficiency than any tesla or car on the road.
Ready to ditch my MS90D, too! After 5 year by far the worst car I ever had. Even the wallbox charger overheated and was completely wasted after 60k. Junk! Never again! I have a Taycan now for 7 months, new world experience and finally a real EV.
I remember being such a fanboy of Musk and Tesla. That being said, after learning about what kind of person Musk is, how often he exaggerates and lies to the public about all kinds of crap, his union busting efforts, abysmal working conditions in Tesla factories, shoddy quality of their vehicles and beyond middle class pricing, anti-consumer and anti-right to repair practices, the list goes on and on, I've changed my mind on ever owning a Tesla. I'm still interested in owning an EV, buying a used up Chevy Bolt or VW, but that's still not something I can afford.
Good plan. I've never been an Elon Musk fanboy but the cars are a blast. I am looking at alternatives but I do like the cars. I still wouldn't own one after my experiences.
Your video is a perfect example of why it is such a challenge an early adopter. But based upon my own experience and also by what is being said by other owners of Tesla's newer models, it seems like reliability is no longer as much of an issue it was in the past.
12V battery issues are still relatively common with the 3, and lots of people have zero cabin heat right now with the Y where I live. Tesla has improved for sure, nowhere near like a Toyota for longevity and build quality though.
Don't feel bad. My 2021 Model Y already have too many defects. Windshield water tubing came off. Wind noise on passenger side and also on the back side. Have a car for less than two months and 3 services so far. Next service is on 2/18 and this will be for wind noise related. I found out the whole trunk was misalignment big time.
Oh the reports of quality issues haven't slowed down much in the last year. Lots of people are having issues with a lack of cabin heat near me. They are going to lose customers in the long run if they keep this up, I know they lost me. It's a shame you've had 3 service visits on a brand new car! I had a newer Tesla and had 13 service visits in 2.5 years until I finally reached my breaking point and took a massive $$ hit and dumped it. I have a feeling you will continue to have issues...
Nope. This further steers me away from Tesla. Fit and Finish issues. Service issues. Parts issues. Personal time spent addressing repairs. There is a logic disconnect here. In general, more expensive "luxury" vehicles require more fussing in general. I guess call us foolish -those of us who can afford to gamble with a luxury car that ends up taking even more of our time and money. This model S taking this much fussing? No thanks. And the Teal model versus the dealer model? I dislike both but I have to go with the dealer model in vehicle purchases. I prefer decentralization. Hell, even Jaguar will pick up my car for servicing, provide me with a loaner, and return my vehicle to me. And they have a 5 year parts and labor bumper-to-bumper. That means EVERYTHING except normal maintenance and tires. Thanks for the great reporting.
In my experience, old line luxury makers coddle owners. So giving you a rental car if you bring the car in -- even for just an oil change. Even if you buy the car USED, but under warranty. Tesla seems like the opposite, as though you're supposed to worship Musk for having quality of a POS. Luckily for customers, there will be PLENTY of alternatives as the early 2020's progress.
@@rogergeyer9851 The irony is that the traditional automakers have for the most part resolved all of these fit and finish issues. So an ICE vehicle like Lexus that has 10,000 MORE moving parts than a Tesla has a MUCH lower incidence of repair than a model S. Very sad in a way. I am taking a long hard look at Lucid as a viable alternative.
I have my model s since 2/2014 115000 km. , some issues repaired under warranty , great service , no costs at all , just 2 tires up till now. Great car , the best since I bought my first 2cv in 1968 . By the way I also drove a PONTIAC transsport 400000 km , only 1 set of front brakes in 25 years | that’s all !
I drove a Model S recently... not terrible, but Im a big guy and getting into the car was uncomfortable. Also hate the borderless windows. Definitely not worth it at the price. Keeping my LS460.
This is actually a great summary of all the issues you've faced, and undoubtedly your location being some ways out has played a part in making the entire experience that much more hassle when things have gone wrong. I'm now two years into ownership of my Tesla Model 3 Performance, and suffered a number of faults in the first year that led to it having to be repeatedly taken in. Then it's been a blissful year without any hassle since then - not a single issue, the car seems stable but then I also am living in south Florida so also don't have the cold to stress the batteries and car in a different way during the winter. The Model 3 is also lower end and more basic with various things that prevent such issues as the door handle problem. Overall, I'm also delighted with my purchase and planning to keep the car for another couple of years. I similarly bought it for the tech then and went for standard Autopilot. Here we are two years later and no regrets as it's little more than a feature incomplete expensive beta that will require driver supervision for the entire life of my car - in other words, it's a gimmick at this stage and while the potential long term is huge, the smart choice is to enjoy driving this wonderful car and I'll consider the FSD package as and when I eventually consider buying a new one in the future.
It's rare to see a video such as yours. Usually despite all the problems, the owner will at the end tell you the car is great and just forget 5 years of nightmares. I remember looking at the new car ratings in consumers report years back and always seeing nothing but black low ratings for the corvette, but then when the asked if you liked the car and would buy it again, they all said sure, great car. lol
Thanks, Jack. At one point I had two Teslas in the garage, now have a Lexus and a Toyota simply because I got tired of the service repairs and dealing with Tesla the company. The car is fun sure but I hit that point that I had enough. Tesla seems to have turned into more of a lifestyle brand it seems... they even halted Model Y production due to drive motor problems this year. Like literally they still haven't figured out how to build top notch quality into their products.
@@InternetDudePersonally I've owned only two cars in the last 34yrs. My wife is a different story. An 88 Chevy Nova that I got 308k miles from and an 01 Chevy Prizm that now has 402k on it and is still my daily driver. Both are really Toyota Corollas. Neither one has ever broken down or needed a tow. Obviously no prestige but no headaches either. lol
Thank you for this video. This is eye opening as I love the idea of driving a Tesla however, I don’t have all the money or time for all the repairs. I am sorry for all the trouble you had. It sounds like you have a better car now. How do you like the Lexus? Take care.
Oh I got tired of the repairs and drama and hype with the company and moved on as you know. I have a one year Lexus update video on my channel, check it out. Overall the Lexus is a very high quality car.
Our family has 3 Model S cars 2014 and 2015. About 260.000 km on each no real service so far. Only two door handles so far and those were on warranty. We have charged mainly on SuC every week.
In spite of all the problems which you have had, they all seemed very minor. And I did not catch how long the warranty period was. In time Tesla will franchise the repair of their cars - at least to the limited extent in your video, so there will not be a surcharge on warranty fixes just because you live in an out-of-the-way place. What I noticed about your Tesla was that it is a nice looking car (but oh for round headlamps). I have even got used to that transparent nose in place of a radiator grille. The paint finish is superb. I used to love British Leyland cars dearly. They were quirky to look at, but visually very satisfying, imo. But their warranties were strictly 12 months, the paint often had the texture of orange peel, and the cars did not have a great reputation for reliability, outside the warranty period. If they could have made cars of the quality of your Tesla, forty years ago, they might well still exist. For anyone interested, British Leyland was sabotaged by having socialism infect the labour force. Endless production stoppages meant the company was always short of development money.
I wouldn't call not being able to charge and get into the car minor. There's also the issue that cropped up where Tesla slowed down all supercharging on 85 kWh cars because there were battery fires. There is more to the story than just endless problems but I've moved on to Lexus.
I had 2013 model S I so many problems as well like you! After a year in a half! I sold it because the tech was so old, what caused issues, any Tesla bought after 2017 your good! the tech is awesome, from that year on😄
My buddy’s Tesla was awesome until it had 3 motors go out, the touch screen went out, the door handle came out and kept coming until it dropped to the floor, not to mention a buffer sound Tesla can’t figure out. Paint is horrible and doors don’t shut with the same solid sound and other cars at a quarter of the price, don’t bring down the window when going down the highway because there maybe an air gap sound when you roll them back up, but besides that…..
Ha ha I'm really not surprised. I think the terrible quality is going to catch up to them. Elon is the master hype guy but in the long run if they don't improve they are going to lose any and all repeat customers. Heck I'd have less issues had I bought a Jeep or Dodge LOL.
Growing pains of the new car manufacturer. The issues you reported hopefully they record them and really make improvements on the manufacturing process. Early adopter pains!
You could be right. I still see build quality issues today in cars coming off the assembly line. Misaligned panels, cabin heat not working, 12V batteries failing, doors not opening or closing right, hair in the paint job, etc. Tesla seems much more concerned about quantity over quality right now in the factory. At some point that will have to change I would think.
@@InternetDude Agree. They are indeed more of a tech/software/energy company than a traditional auto manufacturer. I love what they do. But they are also so focused on running forward and fast expanding. Rapid development is a double edge sword... Seems the Tesla service guys also tired of replacing all the part Lol.
you bought a car in the early stages that was by a company that is a software\hardware company first and a car second. I feel your pain, but your first statement answered most questions for me when you said basically over the last 5 years the car has not failed you. The first 15 issues are earlier adaptor issues. Like when the world switched from a flip phones to a data phones with touch screens. You tell me how many issues people had with those. Most people dealt with those issues, until we got to where we are today. It takes time to get things right. I am still not understanding why you still have it after all these years with all these problems. It's time to sell and move on to a ICE car again.
Yeah I finally had enough and traded it for a Lexus gas car ua-cam.com/video/7lAalu43wxI/v-deo.html - I only wish I had done it sooner. Tesla slowed down the supercharging speed on this car badly using a software update (well-known issue with 85 kWh batteries). I didn't mention it but that was the straw that broke the camel's back so-to-speak. Not to mention the MCUs on these old cars were failing left and right and I knew that repair was going to be $3,000 if I kept the car. I just got done with the stupid repairs and Tesla deliberately slowing down my charging pushed me over the edge. I don't trust them to not do that to other people in the future. They were finally forced by the government to fix the MCUs just last month I think it was? There are a lot of things the company does that tells you they are not the eco-green feel good company that they portray themselves to be. I could go on but that's enough rant for now LOL.
I think the only reason why the Tesla company is still here because they changed the automobile industry forever. Toyota Japan had no intention of mass-producing all-electric vehicles for the next few decades (phototypes often get removed with no tangible consumer product). Then because of Tesla, Toyota is now forced to push all-electric technology sooner than later in all of their markets. EDIT: I just saw you also have switched to Lexus. I have Lexus RX350 and I brought it to brand new in 2017 and I am still in love with it. :)
Toyota has announced they are coming out with a solid state battery vehicle in 4 years. I believe that technology will trump Tesla battery tech. Time will tell. Toyota knows how to make long lasting vehicles...
Would be nice if Tesla could be as reliable as the Toyota/Lexus and Honda lines. Basically $50 oil changes every 5-10K miles and that’s it. And with sub $2 gas in much of the country now makes driving them pretty cheap. I recently bought a 2015 MS 85D with all the options for under 50k with 16k miles. The depreciation is real with Tesla. I Like the looks of the S much better then the 3 not to mention free supercharging and nearly twice the cargo space. Definitely some quality control issues with Tesla and I think you will see the same issues with the 3 as that model matures. Hopefully Tesla can improve its quality over the coming years cause they are fun to drive but hate the thought of needing to sell it before 50k miles because of the many issues to follow. Thanks for a rare honest review about your experience with Tesla.
I agree! There a few of us owners that are completely forthcoming about our real ownership experiences but I think we are still outnumbered by the fanboy channels. I encourage you to check out some of my older videos since you have the same car.
Elon likes to talk about a million mile drivetrain but I don’t believe they will pull that off for quite a few more years and models. Admittedly many things have improved over the last 5 years but some things have gotten worse. Personally I’d rather have an EV Lexus because it’s so easy for me to get service here plus we have a few decades of known reliability. I’d settle for a PHEV Lexus with decent EV range at this point.
Oil prices have dropped substantially recently and EV tax credits for Tesla are dropping too. With the economy potentially going down the tubes this year new car sales will be hurting.
Great video and recap. I applaud your efforts in documenting and sharing all of your experiences with Tesla. They'll continue to learn and mature as an automaker and should really cherish customers such as yourself for being eagle eyed and forthright about issues big & small. As a 10 year Prius owner who plans to buy a Cybertruck a year or so after they arrive, I do worry a bit about reliability vs Toyota. I'll certainly avoid the first few production waves.
Thanks for the comment. I drove Prius for 7 years before going to Tesla. And... I traded this car off on a Lexus. Hello reliability my old friend ;-) I hope you have easier access to Tesla service and I hope they can improve on it overall by the time you buy a Cybertruck. By the time that comes out I would think they will have learned a ton more lessons on things. So maybe it will be Cybertruck > Y > 3 > S > X ....?
I forget the exact numbers off-hand. I mention some of the costs in the video. The glove box broke and it is $1500 to replace but I DIY fixed it for $10. The steering shaft was about $500 I think. And I think the battery heater was supposed to be $1100 but I paid $800-ish??
Thanks for posting. I am very much interested in the Tesla. I know you can't expect everything a combustion engine vehicle can do especially in winter. I have a Mazda and my wife has a BMW. I prefer my Mazda. Do you have any other vehicles that you drive?
I traded this car off for a Lexus LS, no regrets. Check out my newer videos to see what I'm driving. I would recommend you avoid Tesla for a few more years yet... cars are fun but the company sucks (customer service, broken promises, poor build quality, etc).
Thanks for the video. I just had my battery heater changed under warranty here in Ottawa. Now I know it would have cost me $1100.00. 2017 model s 75 D. Hope it's not a common problem.
@@Ottawahoops , I would probably lookb at the Model y, but very happy with the model s I have and don't regret buying it at all. After almost 3 years, I have put no money into it except winter tires and floor mats.
Haha my uncle just got his Model S 2022 delivered and we already spotted some minor imperfections. The rubber along the top of windows is poorly cut and looks cheap as hell. The front passenger door doesn't close as easily as the other 3. There is a panel gap with exposed solidified glue inside the trunk. There are a few bubbles on the left tail light cover. This is inexcusable for a $100,000 car.
Thanks for the comment. I'm not surprised at all. I've had two Model S's, that rubber trim is often out of place. You'd think after 10 years of making the car they could figure that out LOL but it's an easy fix to tuck it back correctly. On my 2018 the front passenger door took too much effort to close as well, Tesla told me it was normal and wouldn't do anything about it. There were numerous times it didn't get closed right and the climate control stayed on and the car unlocked. My 2015 Tesla door closed normally. Panel gaps that is normal for all Teslas unfortunately. As long as people keep buying these overpriced cars Tesla has no reason to give a crap about quality. I paid nearly $200K for my 2018 loaded P100D Model S but the poor quality and endless service is the reason I sold it. I just got fed up. The last year that I had that one I had the mobile tech to my house 5 times and then lost my mind. I still have rattle noises while driving but got tired of service appt after service appt. Good riddance. I hope your uncle has a little better luck but I know he won't. Check out TeslaMotorsClub.com in the Model S forum and you'll see there are dozens of various issues with brand new 2022 Model S cars. They have not improved quality one bit in 10 years.
Love these cars but would not want to own one right now... That is a crazy list of issues for 5years... Never mind the range anxiety and constantly worrying about the charge level. Not for me yet... But thanks for being an early adopter!!
I was about to recommend you to buy a Lexus to replace this "thing". Then I read other comments and very happy that you actually traded it in for a Lexus. Let me guess the model: RX450HL?
@@nellatl Can confirm, own a IS350 - But fortunately after 140K miles nothing too expensive has gone wrong. Struts need replaced, TPMS system costed me 460.00 but other than that and Plugs it's been just oil changes. Lexus and Toyota have been pretty cheap to own for me so far. My 2015 prius with 90K miles has literally only needed tires, gas and oil changes... thats it!
You had more repairs on your Tesla than every car I have owned in the last 40 years combined.
I believe it!!
Door handle is very old tech
What is the point of retractable ones?
Aero? Luxury cars very poor quality because they symbols of success not used only for transport.
The biggest problem with that market is people are tolerant of failure after failure.
Entry level cars tend to be better made.
@@ericrotermund1004 I believe it's for aero as protrusions seem to make decent dents in range so they are minimized.
@@storm14k seems like lower hanging fruit to get rid of the mirrors
@@ericrotermund1004 I thought about that but figure they can't by regulation. I test drove one and did take note that you just about don't need the mirrors between the cameras and the situational screen that shows everything around the vehicle. I imagine the plan is to push for the removal of the regulations if you can offer a suitable replacement system.
And the moral of the story is: If you are going to be an early adopter, live near a service center.
Yeah that would have made a real difference being able to get timely service and not pay $1,500 for the privilege.
lol
And keep your pockets full of hundos to hand over.
Or Tesla could just finish the design, QA, and engineering of the car properly before tricking people into buying their half baked garbage.
@@Nabeelco Well, Sandy Munro of Munro & Associates, an ENGINEERING firm that disassembles cars from various manufacturers (including Tesla) to actually analyze the engineering and manufacturing of them, is quite impressed with the ENGINEERING of Tesla. I think I will take the educated advice of a real automotive engineer over yours any day.
$1500 even for warranty claims?! That’s ridiculous even for non warranty claims.
Yes!
Insane. It cost me 800 dollars for a complete clutch replacement on a 12 year old Ford. They want double to even come out and take a LOOK at your car.
No, that was for the tech to visit your home wherever this guy lives, except if they are in town anyway.
@@manz7860 buy a Tesla and you wont have to replace your clutch!
I admire the brass nuts to charge the customer for not having a decent spread of dealers.I will wait till someone like Samsung starts making cars and it needs similar maintenance to a washing machine except for brakes and tyres then recycle every ten or fifteen years.
Thank You for sharing. I will continue to drive Toyotas.
Right on! I traded this car for a Lexus LS500 and I have another Tesla and it will be gone as soon as my Rav4 Prime arrives. You don't realize how important dependability is until you don't have it.
And looking forward to when Toyota releases BEV's by 2025, and we can look at objective quality data. With multiple Toyota dealers in my area, if their BEV works well, re outfits like Consumer Reports, suddenly I can buy a BEV with lots of consequence.
Fanbois will randomly claim "But Mars", of course.
@@InternetDude: I think part of that is someone's age. For those in the middle class in our late 50's / early 60's, many older used cars teens could afford from the 60's and 70's were just HORRIBLE cars. LOTS and LOTS of problems.
To many of us, reliability became paramount, and the likes of Toyotas at reasonable prices became a GODSEND.
Got a Tacoma and Camry. Best decision ever made.
@@LuxLazar my parents got a honda, acura, and 2 toyotas. All have been without issues for a decade
"I suggest you put the playback speed to 2x" You're a legend, anyway great video too.
Ha ha thanks
YES that was funny AGREED!
He's a legend for making a dry, boring as fuck video? Admitting it just makes it worse.
@@AzizBike I found it very informative, at 2x I just got the info quicker.
@@Nr1Tracer even at 2x i couldn't make it to the end
OMG😱😱😱😱😱😱 the amount of repairs on that car. You've had more repairs done on that car than all the cars I've owned my 30 years of driving.
I would believe that! It’s had the most repairs of any car I’ve owned in 25+ years of driving.
30 years ? I doubt that
@@eddiekulp1241 why not? I'm generally used to maintenance only (oil, spark plugs,...) and repairs related to accidents ...
@@InternetDude my Dodge Charger had double the issues you ran into with your telsa. I just unloaded that thing after hitting 82,000 miles for a Honda and I couldn’t be happier.
@@MrWolfstar8 right on 👍
Bought a 2014 P85 about 3 months ago. So far this has failed in that short time:
- Drive unit (covered by Tesla)
- MCU (partly covered by Tesla)
- Drive unit sub frame (NOT covered by Tesla and this was expensive)
- 12V battery (NOT covered by Tesla)
- Battery heating unit (NOT covered by Tesla)
- Wiring harness (NOT covered by Tesla)
- Xenon bulb (NOT covered by Tesla)
All in all it has already cost me about DKK 34.000 (about 5.500 USD) in repairs and it has been to the service center three times. It also seems like the battery is losing capacity rapidly so I'm wondering if Tesla will be willing replace that under warranty before it runs out a little over a year from now. What was supposed to be a dream come true is starting to look like a bit of a nightmare honestly.
Edit: I forgot to mention that my rear camera also stopped working about the same the 12v battery and the dive unit went bad. This still doesn't work after Tesla fixed everything else and I got the car back from the service center.
Please, sell it now!! Buy a Toyota or Honda.
If you did your research on Tesla you would never have bought a 6-7 year old Tesla, the Tesla models today is way better.
@@per6541 You are right. However, in fairness my Model S P85 has still been cheaper than a new Model 3 SR+ (even counting in the repairs to date) and it's a bigger car that feels more premium inside. So even though the gamble didn't pay off well as I had hoped all is not that terrible either. But of course the worry is whether it quickly will be if it keeps breaking down at that rate.
@@InternetDude I read his comment as was going to say the same thing.. Buy from manufactures that know how to make cars if you want to save money.
2016 Toyota Prius. Bought new. Paid $21,000. Current mileage: 112,000. Issues: replace accessory battery under warranty. Time lost: a couple of hours. Cost: $0.00 Range on 1 fillup: 500 miles. Time to fuel: 5 minutes. Value realized: Priceless. Cost to drive: $0.04 per mile.
Dang that is as bad as my Chrysler, which was given to me by someone who said "please take it I can't deal with it anymore"
I owned one of the first Jeep Compass' ever made and it had less problems than this Tesla.
lol
I feel ya man I had a '99 Dodge Decrepit. Can't believe a Tesla could be worse than that.
😂sad
@@InternetDude Tesla even worse than Chrysler. Damn.
You are one patient dude, willing to accept the cost, pain and suffering of driving and experiencing a breakthrough, historic vehicle. I get it.
Yes but I finally had enough and traded it on a Lexus :-)
I certainly wouldn't call needing constant repairs ANYTHING like "reliable".
First few Gen were pretty bad.
@@guruh786 2015 is not first gen
Reliably bad.
As soon as I saw that door handle design I knew it would be nothing but trouble. Land Rover also uses them and they are absolute garbage on their cars too
Land Rover doesn’t have a good reliability record either.
@@InternetDude . Tell that to all my farmer neighbours both in UK and jungles of Borneo where we have Rubber / Rice and Palm Oil plantations.
Why just the door handles? the whole of Landrover is garbage, only suitable for people with lots of money & few brain cells & yes, I'm English😁
@@barriewilliams4526 the old Land Rover's out last the new versions. You can still see Land Rover Discovery's, Defender's from the 1980's and 1990's doing hard work in the countryside in the UK. Anything from the year 2000 onwards started to be plagued with electrical issues.
@@bentullett6068 . We always have at least 3 in our family, have done since middle 80's and they're ultra reliable. My neighbour in UK has his original mark one he just uses around his farm, an eighties Defender for hard work mainly in forestry and his 90's Rangey for everyday use. All need minimum maintenance. My son's SVR does mega high miles, 70,000 in three years and only problem has been exhaust which JLR said he'd clanked and he claimed just "suddenly went mega loud". In the end agreed 50/50 on warranty. The problems I hear about, but also apply to Peugeot and VW are particulate filter problems. Unfortunately choking up engines for emissions purposes ruins reliability and fuel efficiency.
I hear on these social media threads people saying, "They're shit & unreliable " and they're all from people who have never even sat in one let alone owned them 🤦♂️
I have bought new cars from BMW, Benz, Toyota, Hyundai, and Genesis. Never had any issue; Tesla owners need to stand up for their rights & demand quality. As long as people put up with it, it won’t go away. I am holding out on buying Teslas until they prove that they can produce reliable products.
Great plan! My next vehicles won’t be Tesla, lesson learned.
Tesla started as a Kickstarter campaign and it's still working on becoming a car company. Remember the game plan was to make a expensive car and learn from it to make a cheaper car. So basically if you brought the first Tesla model S you brought a expensive beta but you where helping the electric car movement
Shiet BMW has the craziest repairs. I had to spend 4500 on a timing chain oil pump chain on my BMW at 70k miles lol
The only Tesla I own are stocks
You are absolutely right. I wish I could meet up tesla owners all together and Stand up strong and resolve this kind of violence what tesla is doing to their customers. I sometimes wonder if I am still in USA where justice is still alive. I am very sad that this company doesn't have dignity. My case is absolutely manufacturer's defect, I have proof, but they keep denying and there's no place to complain about this.
Please help if any of you know where I can go to for this issues. State of California consumer's right claim doesn't apply for this complaints, and they don't reply my email. I have sent them email with explanations, but no reply at all. I can't believe this is happening in this country!!
I recently purchased a 2020 model S, It has 1500 miles on it as of today. My brand new model S it has been at the Tesla service deportment for a week and it probably will be there for anther week.
It had a noise from the right side front suspension. I will keep you guys posted when I hear from Tesla.
Ugh! Tesla still isn't good at non-tech stuff I see...
Sell it ASAP, after warranty expire, then the real problems start, like screen failures, suspension, and so on.
the battery is way too heavy I heard that the suspension always breaks for all the weight
I am probably going with the Cadillac Lyrics if the Telsa holds out until 2022. I would rather have a vehicle from a know car company with success for decades. Heck, can't be much worst.
@@TheAguirrevictor yep and it blows through tires at an alarming rate.
For the price of this car, its unvelieveable all the problems it has. I'd say this car is ultimate money pit!! but still people line up to buy them! :o
Yep it’s worse than Mercedes! Definitely don’t own one out of warranty or too far from service.
What about the range rover
@@InternetDude Mercedes quality is great. We've had a C-Class for 3 years and not one thing has gone wrong with it.
@@tbn22 3 years is nothing mate. don't worry the day will come
Kinda like…..the Range Rover, or Jaguar, or BMW M3. This is not surprising. It’s a new car and it’s high performance. High performance never equals reliability. Anyone who’s owned a sports car will tell you about….sorry aboot all the problems they had. Are Canadians this ignorant?
We've had a Lexus from new for five years now as a family car, survived two kids from infant to school age and still immaculate as new and never had anything done than annual service. But that's the difference between a real automaker and a tech company that treat customers like Beta testers.
In case you missed it, I traded this car off on a Lexus LS500. Wow much better build quality, luxury, features, easier customer service, etc.
@@InternetDude nooooooooo they do make good engine! So much less moving parts 😂
I thought that I have had too many repairs with my 2018 Audi Q7 Prestige (will change for RX350 at the end of 2022 when they come with new model), but after I watched your video I understood that it could be worse.
Thanks for your true input. People like you makes our life better and easier.
Thanks, I am simply being entirely honest and forthcoming.
What a nightmare. I’m glad I bought an M5 five years ago instead of the P100 I was considering. New tyres are the only things requiring replacement over the 5 years and no failures at all.
Tesla is still so new they haven't figured out the whole build quality thing yet.
@@InternetDude agreed, but I personally believe when all the major manufacturers particularly the Europeans go electric they will destroy Tesla’s current market position.
Out of the top 20 electric cars sold in Europe in 2020, only the Model 3 made the list, and it wasn't even on top. So Tesla is NOT the leader in Europe and with even more competition coming (e.g. VW) they will likely not ever top the list. Renault Zoe was #1. There is still an insane amount of hype around Tesla in North America but there are more competitors coming in 2021 so they should be concerned.
@@InternetDude i have to say, all those comments are not aging well.
how much do you spend on gas in a month?
It is kind of interesting that you are really reviewing a new automobile. Incredible that there was so many problems.
Yep. I even bought another Model S in 2018 and it’s had about 17 issues already... and only 14,000km on it. I would not buy another!
Tesla: The Tech company that makes car shaped objects
😂👍
A tablet strapped into a subpar design basically.
@@yankees29 it is a 2015… you do realize almost everything here is not an issue now right. It is almost 7 years later
@@mikerzisu9508 oh I’ve heard worse with the recently made models. Terrible quality control. They are such pieces of junk. Now that all he big car companies are making electric cars Tesla will sink like a brick in water. Just a matter of time.
@@yankees29 many would disagree. Most of the latest reviews show little to no problems at all, and Tesla is wayyyyyyy ahead of these other auto manufacturers in their tech and charging infrastructure. Easily the best EVs on the market in about every way
Had steering bolt recall done and steering would pop at extreme angles afterwards. The fix was adding a washer. I diagnosed this, had frunk tub fully disassembled when brought in and Tesla still charged me $200+ + diagnostic fee (waived after I complained). The reason for the pop is obvious due to aluminum subframe. Each bite into the brittle aluminum surface is going to weaken it. Thus washer is the fix. Pretty clear Tesla is full of amateur car engineers beyond the power train.
But Sandy Munro...he says Tesla is automotive God. Sandy...Munro...
What you said in the end is probably exactly right. Amateur engineers with maybe 3 years experience after leaving college
I heard someone once say, "Owning a Tesla is like beta testing a car." I really like the idea of a self driving vehicle. I really like the idea of an EV. I really wish Teslas were more like what they market themselves as.
I think Tesla's stock is in a bubble right now. If the QC was up to industry standards, then I could believe maybe the company was worth more than $300 per share.
One smart/advanced EV from GM, Ford, or whatever major car company, could actually hurt Tesla. It would likely be more reliable.
That is probably true, owing a Tesla is like beta testing a car, because there is so much beta software in there. I don't think "full self driving" will be here for quite a few years yet no matter what Elon tweets.
I think Tesla's stock is overvalued too but there is a ton of hype around the company and if the stock price was based off profit and things it would absolutely be much lower.
The best thing we can have going forward is better competition to Tesla like Porsche, Audi, Lexus, etc. Tesla doesn't need to have better build quality and customer service because they don't have any real competition so there is no end in sight for new customers buying their products.
I agree generally but I would say it's hard to overstate just how far ahead Tesla's batteries are, which is the most important thing. That and their fleet capability for improving Autopilot are quite valuable even if their stocks are BS. Most stocks are probs BS in one way or another though.
Hopefully bringing other factories online, like their German factory, will reduce strain and improve build quality. Otherwise it's a bit wasteful having batteries that can last 500,000-1,000,000+miles, with 10% degradation, if the door handles, suspension, steering and everything aren't up expectation.
Reliability was always going to take time though. Fingers crossed. I don't think Nissan Leaf owners have issues (I hope!) although the battery tech and acceleration isn't in the same league obviously. I can't see Toyota/Honda catching Tesla up with battery tech but who knows. Even recently there have been some very good scientific progress there that could help everyone catch up.
@@jamesatkins7592 panasonic batteries
@@jamesatkins7592 Nothing special with their batteries. All the batteries are developed by another company or have known performance capabilities. Like the million mile battery which tesla wants to use which is from catl, a Chinese company that makes batteries for buses that have a 15,000 cycle life. Tesla isn't special, they just put it in a nice package like apple. Kia on the other hand adds paddles for live changing of regen which helps in everyday driving. More useful than tesla and comes with blended regen.
Any EV from a European manufacturer is probably better than a Tesla. By a mile.
Criticism to Tesla never get you popular on youtube. No Tesla slave sign for you.
What I have to say in response is why aren't other (monopolistic) automobile manufacturers feet held to the fire as well? All the major auto manufacturers have produced absolute shitboxes from time to time. I owned a Ford Escort in the 80s and so did several of my friends. Mine was a horrible, costly, abomination while all my friends examples seemed to work fine. I live to see the extinction of ICE vehicles as I believe it's an incredibly inefficient means of transportation.
But at least the criticism leaves you with your integrity.
@@bpalpha the thing is my friend, when you talk about an 80s escort, you aren't talking about an 80k car that is supremely overrated and held at such a high staple. If we take a car from that age that would cost the equivalent of 80k we'd end up with a Lexus ls400, one of the best, most reliable cars in history. Now, Let's take for example a 50k Volvo xc40 recharge (the all electric one) a car wich seemed to have no reliability issues (it's a volvo at the end of the day) and has the same advantages and it's not overrated and has an actual quality interior and cost literally a new honda accord less than the tesla, so there, that's why tesla is (or rather isnt enough) judged the way it is, because it's a brand who brainwashes people into believing they have the best car in the world, when they clearly dont.
@@turbobricked5969 But a 2012 tesla model s is their 2nd car they ever produced...
@@lachlanB323 The one in the video was a 2015 model.
After buying your new Tesla the best thing to do is keep it in the garage. That way you won't have any range anxiety.
😂 and it will break less 😉 thanks!
Great recap. Thanks for sharing. Bought ours used October 2018. 40 grand. Car is great, service is good/great. Delivery was a nightmare.
Service at the service center is great but out here in the boonies it takes too long for mobile tech visits. Delivery was great here. Tesla sure has varying service good/bad depending on location it seems.
@@InternetDude Humans....
thats the choice im deciding between my lexus and a tesla
2014 P85 multiple failures
I have a 2014 P85 with 76k miles. I have had to have all handles replaces, both rear light assemblies replaces, front sensors replaces, odometer replaced, UMC replaced 2x. In addition, motor failed at drive thru took 5 wks to repair. It had to be towed. 3 weeks later the battery failed with 58% charge, on Interstate. 95 miles from home on Sunday evening. Towed again, took 4 weeks to repair. Thank God I have extended coverage. All these things happend in last 1.5 yrs. Not sure I will buy another.
Oh I forgot, the control arms were replaced too.
You should probably buy something reliable next time. Honda, Toyota, etc perhaps.
@@InternetDude probably another Infiniti. I never had issues with them
Tesla was just starting with mass manufacturing in 2014. They had no experience with it. Nowdays is another story. It wouldn't be the most valued car company in the world for no reason but people like you only live in present and don't see the potential of what a car company like this can become.
You are really patient.... I do not understand why people accept those problems.
An advert for Toyota 😂😂😂
Ha ha see ua-cam.com/video/7lAalu43wxI/v-deo.html
Sounds like you are getting ripped off with the " Ranger Fees" whether in or out of warrantee? $1500 is steep.
I was told $100 when I bought the car and they changed their policy and didn’t grandfather me in. I’m still annoyed about that.
thats the choice im deciding between my lexus and a tesla
@@lexithelexus7377 keep the Lexus! Tesla is nothing but a headache.
@@yankees29 I am leaning towards the lexus :)
One of your commenters said that he had a 2013 Tesla that had problems because of "old tech." the 2017 model he subsequently purchased has new tech and is much better. My oldest car is a Toyota that I purchased new in 2002 and almost everything on it still works. It is definitely " old tech" but it still performs well without being constantly in the shop. It has over 207,000 miles on it and gets me where I am going reliably. The computer that I am viewing this video on is probably from 2013. It is "old tech" but allows me to type letters, play video games, watch videos, check e-mail etc. Just like a new ones ! I am sure that the memory and speed are down compared to a new one, but it still works well. Quit making excuses for your Teslas. They are all poorly constructed and poorly backed by a company that does not care even one little bit about you once the sale has been made.
I can't argue with that. I used to own two Teslas, I had enough and traded this one for a Lexus LS and the other for a RAV4 Prime. Hello reliability and quality LOL
Quite the eye opener.....i will continue to 'admire' these cars from a far.
Safe plan 😉
So, So Happy that I saw this video! I was planning on buying a 2016 S85 today, Car has 64,000 mi @ $41k Car does not have a single scratch or ding.... excellent appearance, 2 previous owners, from Fla. As young salesman walked between me and the car to open the rear, he opened the Recharge door, caught it on his trousers, ......ripping it completly off the car! Major $$, I would think, so I am waiting for it to be repaired,... BEFORE buying! AFTER watching THIS Video...... there is NO WAY I am buying a "Mechanic Addicted" car, as this Video CLEARY shows!! .........MAJOR faults, and Expenses $$$ ..... Thank you.....thank you...Thank you!!
I’m glad to hear that. Teslas customer service has really gone downhill. I wouldn’t recommend anyone buy a Tesla without plenty of research first. Repairs are expensive, build quality isn’t up to par on new vehicles, etc. Personally I wouldn’t buy another for at least a few years to see if they can grow up as a company.
Your loss.
Wow, thanks for making this video. I was considering buying a used Model S and that Ranger fee put me right off. I would prefer to get a Nissan Leaf or some more mainstream auto manufacturer.
Glad to spread my story to help others hear the truth 😉
E mustang looks promising
Thank you for taking it on the chin to find out what owning a Tesla is really like!
He doesnt speak for all tesla owners. I have a model X, that thing is ridiculous.
I agree I love my 2018 X and I never have these problems. Mine has close to 150,000 and she’s still Working great overall. I love driving it cross country
My tesla x is totally failed. The battery stopped all of sudden right after I have charged completely 200miles. The screen showed 0mile and it turned off by itself. I called to tesla customer service, they said it's not common problem they see, but when a towing guy came and he said they see this kind of problem all the time on tesla and they towing tesla on this issue at least 3 times a day. They never going to buy tesla they said.
It's nothing to do with warranty issue. It's manufactur defects.
You paid $120000 for a car and after 2 years drove, it broke and the car company denied it's not their fault!?
That's B.S. please post your story so that people know that they don't lose money on junks.
I would not recommend any Teslas at all. 1980’s Hyundai cars were longer lasting than new Teslas, you’ll see! Your situation sucks, ugh!
@@InternetDude thank you. I am very disappointed by tesla. Their customer service is terrible and their technology is not stable at all yet.
great acceleration
style
feeling future technique
bad quality
bad support
bad reliability
expensive
...
you make the choice
Pretty much...
thats the choice im deciding between my lexus and a tesla
Reports on Chinese made Tesla M3s coming out are build quality has improved. Expectations are Berlin made M3s and MYs will match standards of the European market with Fremont factory to be retrofitted once the tech in Berlin has been proven. Austin made Tesla’s should be leading the build quality improvements in the US by end 2021. There’s still hope.
@@wattlebough Yeah, even assuming all that is true (they said that "quality issues were going away" when they introduced both the X and the 3, so hard to believe it now), by then they will have shipped what, 1.5 million of subpar quality cars? That's simply not acceptable. We're not talking bootleg software here, we're talking cars that run in the tens of thousands, and for that you get to be a beta tester? How is that acceptable?
Unfortunately, the world seems to be full of fanboys and people with Stockholm syndrome for Tesla...no matter the faults, they'll keep their crusade going
Luckily, in the early 20's, LOTS and LOTS of competitive BEV's will be an option. Not to mention, of course, HEV's and PHEV's. Of course, since Tesla doesn't sell those, fanbois like to claim they're not EV's. LOL
Elon said Full self driving would be ready in 2017 - his famous quote "maybe in 3 months definitely in 6 months". And his famous fully autonomous cross country driving demonstration? Never happened. I would never buy a car from a company when a bozo like that runs it (with iron fist!)
Indeed. When I bought my second Tesla in 2018 I paid for FSD, something like $9,200. I feel like a fool for being tricked by Elon. Won’t make that mistake again. Don’t believe what they say is coming, buy based on what has already come out. I feel misled or maybe even lied to.
Bozo? Lmao that dude is smarter than the majority of the people alive rn. Fully autonomous is hard to gauge due to government restrictions which he’s come out and said
I don't believe they will ever have it using the method they are. And they just shouldn't promise it. Release it and sell it when it's ready. Test it on your own dime like everybody else.
@@InternetDude What is an FSD?? Why is it $9200?? Please inform me.. Thank🤗🤗
@@maryrobinson4131 Full Self Driving. It's 10,000 to install or add that feature to the car.
Mr.Tesla must be rolling around in his grave knowing how his name is being dragged through the mud.
Can't disagree with that LOL
Thomas Edison did that long before Elon Musk came around
@@manz7860 this is actually a very funny comment, for those who know the history of those two.
Seems like this car brand is totally overrated. Based on your experience, I think this car is more trouble than it’s worth.
I can’t disagree!
I can disagree. these are issues that happened near when the car released. The 2020 models of these cars are fantastic, without nearly any of these issues. But the used ones from 2012- to around 2014 are really bad with reliability.
@@JustJamesYT any toyota/honda will still be more reliable and less cost of ownership in the long run. now fight me.. lol
@@JustJamesYT . How does it feel to live in a different reality?
@@MrSupernova111 I don't. Tesla's aren't great, they've got shit alignment issues with the panels, and generally bad quality control. BUT, they are very reliable nowadays, especially the model 3 and y, followed by the s. Model x has shite reliability though lmao.
The fanboys have entered the chat, now prepare to feel their keyboard wrath! Lol, the fanboys are so irritating.
this is true...
I agree fanboys are incredibly irritating, but so are the haters.
@Nunya Bidniz this was almost too perfect. You’re trolling me right?
I don’t think any of those issues are really worth something. I have a lots of cars before and almost all of them had a lot of issues. I can ignore all minor issues because of autopilot and acceleration. Fair trade off.
@Nunya Bidniz Tesla actually sells their cars at a loss I don't know if you knew that and those Tesla stocks are just a big old bubble and it's going to pop LOL
Well, you really had something to be bothered about. But my experience with my P85D bought in California on December of 2014 have been totally different. I never had those problems but let me tell you, I drive my car only in Comfy mode. I do not speed around for nothing, and in Highways, I go about 5 miles below the speed limit. What I can tell you is that at about 37k miles, I got a message about the battery telling me I had issues with it, and to take it to a service center, so I did that, and during my time there it was found that the battery pack had dropped below 85% capacity in less than 4 years (it was late October of 2016), so the battery pack was exchanged under warranty. Because it was a major exchange, they tested the whole system with the new battery and they also found that the 12 volt battery also needed to be replaced together with the cooling fluid, so got a new one with they said, a new better system, but I had never had a problem with either of the two batteries before. Also, it was found something with one of the motors, it was found it was an older version prone to a bearing dis-function, so it was also changed. I was at the time kind of surprised at how many things they were finding when I never got a problem about that. Well, the findings did not finish there. During that testing, two of the door handles also failed, so the technician kindly replaced the FOUR OF THEM!!!!!. That was supposed to be a total of almost three days I was going to be without my car, so I was given a loaner. After not three days but a week, I got my car back and was given a toilet paper list of all the things that were done to the car. At that moment I thought that my car was actually ready to explode with new problems, but whatever they were, they found and fixed. I was totally surprised because I had given that car total and complete care!!!! But I am happy to say that all the identified issues that were found at the time of that visit were fully resolved, and now my car is 7 years old with more than 200k miles on it and never got any other problem since then!!!! And I am taking it for the yearly checkout and the car is working as new or better!!!!! And in my august of 2019 visit was told that I had the old m-1 computer system and that it was going to be substituted by the new M-2 version. But in those visits many things were done to my car all of them under warranty, and I don't remember to have those expenses he had with all my visits combined- maybe 400.00 USD total so far!!!! I am really sorry for this gentleman, but I guess every owner of early Tesla cars has its own experience. Mine have always been top notch, and now my daughter and her husband are also proud owners of a Model 3 and a Model Y, and do not have any problems on them, and all of us are laughing at the gas expenses and regular gas car maintenance that we don't have or need!!!!! Now, my next on the list is the Cybertruck- we are waiting for the three motor version, but now Tesla had changed a lot of stuff on the web site for that truck, and the expected delivery if any, is any moment in 2024!!!! That will be a different story, I will be driving a better and more comfortable vehicle than my old trusted P85D!!!!
I replaced this car with a Lexus and I should have done it sooner. Lesson learned, do not buy garbage Teslas. I'd say having the battery and drive unit replaced within 2 years is absolutely disgusting. That's like replacing the engine and transmission on a gas car after 2 years, almost unimaginable. Yes Tesla service used to be better back in the day, service is not as good today (the people are nice though). I had another Tesla with problems (even more) so I would never ever recommend anyone buy a Model S. Buy a 3 and treat it like a rental car, beat on it and don't keep it past the warranty period. The worst thing you can do is own an older Tesla out of warranty.
@@InternetDude Well, good luck with that crappy ICE stuff. Your experience with Tesla was out of the Bell curve. Teslas are shown to be far better than any ICE car, and that includes LEXUS, MB, BMW, etc. And now there are more Teslas in my family, a 3 and a Y, and my son-in-law is waiting for his S Plaid.
Very interesting history on your Model-S. I'm glad you are able to look back and say that overall the experience was positive but that doesn't excuse the seemingly endless issues you had to deal with. As with any new technology built by a relatively new company, there are going to be issues but you had to endure more than your share. Good luck in the future.
Thanks. I am glad to be rid of that and my newer Tesla, just so many repairs. Fun cars, never own one out of warranty especially.
finally, JLR(jaguar and land rover) having some tough competition in reliability
LOL
Skip to 27:45 for some final thoughts. I’m really interested in hearing your thoughts in the comments section.
That was the best ownership review that I have come across. Even today, both the S and X are not recommended by Consumer Reports due to the reliability problems. The X's problems are well beyond the useless "falcon" doors. The only model recommended is the 3 (as of today). However, it is also worth mentioning that neither the 3 nor the Y have heated steering wheels yet in North America. In my case, due to a condition in my right hand, I need a heated steering wheel. Back to the Y, it is not recommended either. It has improved as production has progressed, but I would stay away from it. They've had problems with the heater that refuses to work, panel alignment, color matching issues (especially the white ones), interior rattles, even contaminated paint finish. That cabin heater problem is a safety issue in extremely cold climate areas like yours. In the meantime, I'll just continue just owning Tesla shares.
P.S. - Here is the link from a fellow female canuck regarding the heater - ua-cam.com/video/RAoJeK7pYD0/v-deo.html ... and I subscribed to your channel, of course, mainly because of that gorgeous AMC Eagle 😁
Thanks and stay tuned!
What a disaster. Thanks for documenting and sharing all this for those considering buying one of their cars
Definitely don't buy an older S. Really, don't buy any out of warranty Tesla. Ideally just don't buy a Tesla. LOL
I'm planing to buy a TESLA S model. This video is very useful. Thank you for the honest opinion. Hopefully new 2020 models addressed all the issues you had.
Eh I would still avoid the S & X & Y in 2021. The 3 seems to be the most reliable but it still has battery & suspension issues. They are stopping production of the S & X right now for unspecified reasons. Some people speculate they will refresh it very soon. Either way I'm out, I'm fleeing back to Toyota & Lexus.
@@InternetDude Bye
@@InternetDude the Model 3 as tons of paint and panel fitments issues... Many Muskateers told me that NO ONE would go back anywhere after owning a Tesla! Whats up with that🤣
Our two year old Model S has worked perfectly until now, where we have an appointment to fix slow charging speeds, a yellow line around the screen and noisy wipers. Here in Norway, from what I understand and have heard, newer Models are very reliable and, because we plan to have the car for three more years,I really hope that this will continue to be the case.
Good luck, I’m going to a better brand for a few years. Maybe I’ll give Tesla another chance then time will tell if they can fix their issues.
Thanks! Looks like I need it :) With the flood of German and, perhaps most worrisome, Asian cars hitting the marked soon they really have no choice.
You have the patience of a saint!
They finally wore me down and I ran out of patience with that company ;-)
For a relatively new car company when you bought the car I think they did a very good job of looking after the issues you had. I am waiting for the cyber truck before I buy as I bought stock early and when it reaches the price of the cyber truck I will get it for a very low investment.
The issues eventually got resolved but changing the fee from sending a tech to my house from $100 to $1,500 after buying the car is not a "good job of looking after the issues". I lived with the front end rattle for years as a result of that and a few techs not being able to diagnose it properly.
@@InternetDude You choose to live in the boondocks and buy a vehicle in it's infancy with limited service facilities. You must pay for their travel time.
In May 2021, I finally bought a Tesla Model S! I named it "Vader". It's a Model S 60. I've replaced my drive unit, window regulator (rear passenger window), door handle motor (front passenger door, broken micro switch), all 4 tires, the windshield, and I got the eMMC upgrade. I'm my MCU replaced with MCU2 next month (Feb 2023). Thanks for posting these videos. I watched and bookmarked them years ago and they helped me tremendously in finding a car that was "relatively" trouble free. Thanks! 😀👍🏾
Does the huge battery replacement cost scare you at all? Your car should be out of warranty if you have the 60 kWh battery?? I finally got tired of the repair bills and bought a Lexus and Toyota in place of the two Teslas I used to have in the garage.
@@InternetDude Oh, the car is VERY out of warranty. :) I'm at 252,310 km right now (I permanently switched to metric last year). The battery pack though is younger than the car. The previous owner replaced the battery pack under warranty in late 2019 (the year before I purchased the car). The battery pack still has about 90% of its estimated range, and with Superchargers being so plentiful now, I'm not worried too much about range (except when I visit towns in counties where there are no superchargers or reliable J1772 stations - Putnam & Bradford) I just make sure I'm charged up to 95% before I leave for my trip.
I feel your pain though. Watching your videos helped prepare me for what was ahead. The Drive Unit replacement was the shocker. The coolant seals failed as I was pulling into work one day and my car wouldn't shift out of park once I tried to leave. I had it towed to the Jacksonville, FL Service Center (90 miles away, AAA+ towed for free) and they kept the car for 3 weeks (since they only have 1 lift at that service center). Fortunately, the bill was only $5,800 ($4,800 for a remanufactured large drive unit + $1000 for labor). My credit union was very helpful in funding my repair, since I hadn't budgeted for anything that expensive that would cripple the car. From the time I got the car (May 2021) to when the DU failed (December 2021), the DU made a 'clunk' noise every time I accelerated (forward or backwards). This was probably a sign that things were going bad. Now, the DU is silent and accelerates VERY smoothly. It has a 4 year (I'm one year in) and 50,000 mile (I'm around 10,000 miles in) warranty. So, if I have to replace the battery pack every 8 years ($9,500) and the DU every 4 years ($5,800), that's pretty much the equivalent of buying a new car every 5-6 years. I'm building my emergency fund now. :D
All in all, I consider myself blessed that I purchased a Model S that was well taken care of and apparently it was a good manufacturing day at Fremont because this car is surprisingly free of 'rattles' and 'shimmies' compared to your original Model S. Even from when it first came out, I've always liked the design of the Model S. So for $25,000 (my original purchase price at 121,000 miles) and waiting 8 years to buy one, it hasn't been that bad of an experience.
Not having any real issues besides the axle in 100,000 miles is REALLY good. Cosmetic issues for a new car company is expected
There was actually a couple more issues I forgot about!
I have leased 8 Mercedes since 1997. You have had more problems with this car in 5 years than I have had with all my MBZs in 23.
"I'm going to live with it" are words only uttered by Tesla owners....
Ya know I thought the other day that I could have bought a Mercedes and it would have been more reliable. See my newer videos 😉
@@InternetDude What are your repair costs of Tesla over the period of 5 years?
That attitude of "living with it" is one of the main things that piss me off about Tesla fans. They accept everything Tesla does wrong, but once another brand does 1 or 2 things in a not perfect way they instantly start bashing it. They are insufferable.
@@Astke spot on
@@Astke Nail smack dab on the head. The ripple effects of that insufferable mentality they happily embraces spills over to other facets of their lives undoubtedly. Thats the dangerous part. Feel free to drive an overpriced throw away car, but losing the ability to rationalize is dangerous, you know? Kids these days...hahaha
I've had my 2008 Acura TSX for 13 years now and never had any issues; I just followed basic maintenance, and it's still running strong (250+K). I thought about getting a new car, but why have monthly payments? Also, not many people know that TSX's are made in Japan, so it's pretty much a hidden gem. Japanese cars are king and will always be king when it comes to reliability. Just bummed out that Tesla's reliability is a downer. I really want the US to improve its products and make more products in the US, but stuff like this makes people want to go somewhere else.
The TSX is a very fine car. Yep not having a car payment feels good! I am a Japanese car fan now after having the Tesla. I traded this car off on a Lexus LS500, should have done it sooner. I still have another Tesla but it will get traded off soon for a Rav4 Prime.
I havent had Toyota or Tesla, but i have had Volvos, vws, Mitsubishi, Saabs and Fords. Had issues with all of them.
Totally agree, Im all about Mazda!
I have an 06 TSX (in Australia it's a Honda accord euro) it won't give up. Solid cars those things
My Toyota Yaris 4 and a half years ago. Zero problems. I am in no way a tesla person and probably never will be. Currently at 112 thousand Kilometers. Cheers from Ontario.
I also have a Yaris. When I compare the Tesla and Yaris guess which one is better? Watch ua-cam.com/video/bOSXx6vqP2A/v-deo.html
@@InternetDude seems like a topic that will get you a lot of hate lol
@@InternetDude gonna check it out
Nice! I guess if you ever want to go “premium” you could go Lexus. I have a 9 year old CT200H hatchback and like you, zero problems! Great cars
WOW, bad luck. I have a blue 2015 P85. I have only had one problem. The driver door window needed a new regulator. My car has been bulletproof for 75000 miles. I live in Phoenix and supercharge several times a month. I still get 250 miles on a charge. I have never paid anything to Tesla. There is no charge to have a tech come to my home or business in Phoenix. We have two service centers. I did take it in twice for a courtesy check up and every thing was good both times. No problems and no pressure to do extra service. I love the autonomous driving feature. Year's ago I had a Lamborghini Countach 5000S that was a nightmare so I feel your pain. Sounds like you got a lemon.
I do hear of the odd story like yours, having very few issues. Tesla quality has been "hit or miss" for many years.
Thank you for helping me to.decide if I needed a Model S.
And what did you decide?
@@InternetDude it's an absolute no. I was considering buying a used one. Control arms, door handles, and suspension issues. Oh don't forget the Ranger Fee
Ah OK any used S is a hard no. Brand new would be a maybe if you have full warranty and live close to a service center LOL *never* own a used Tesla out of warranty is my advice.
@@InternetDude duely noted. I'm looking at an I pace
Your a very patient man.👍
Yep 😉
I've had hondas with plenty of door handle problems. For being a brand new car company,..this isn't that bad. Like you said, it never left you stranded and from the looks of it...you drive it in pretty harsh conditions (that's some hard mud paint that will be hard to take off!). I have a Mercedes E350 now and it drives like a dream...but I also baby the heck out of it!
Thanks for the comment. I haven’t had door handle issues on other cars or really almost any of the other problems.
Hondas built in 1990s are still driving operating better then these
I've owned multiple cars over 15 years, and have done most of the repairs and maintainence myself. I guess Tesla and other EVs will become mainstreet. But until they become easy to fix as toyota or honda, I won't have em on my driveway.
I don't think Tesla will ever be as easy to fix as a Toyota or Lexus. My front high voltage junction box failed, how would you DIY fix that? 400 volts DC can kill you. Very risky without taking precautions. And, you need to load a software update after changing the part. Very anti-DIY setup.
The problem with Tesla is filling their cars with unnecessary fancy electronic gizmo crap that you don't need. The more computers and gizmos, the more that can go wrong. Tesla needs to strip away all the unnecessary and make simpler cars. Ditch the fancy touch screens. They also need to work on their quality control which is horrendous. Dr. W. Edward's Deming is probably rolling in his grave!
@@eman0828 in my opinion every automaker should be making simpler vehicles 😉
@@InternetDude Right! The main reason I choose to drive a 15 year old car. Lol Just like Scotty Kilmer that still drives his 94 Celica.
@@eman0828 oh come on we know Scotty doesn’t actually drive it 😂 it’s had 249,000 miles on it for a decade 😁
Your patience is admirable. I like Tesla cars, but I sure am skeptical after seeing all the problems folks post about... problems that shouldn't be occurring.
I wonder how the old Model 3’s will fare after my experiences 🤔
In as much as I'm one of those people who usually byes cars at around 100,000 miles and puts another 100,000 or more miles on them and has never retired or sold a car before it was at least historic. I'm kind a lot more interested how Teslas do when they aren't new like yours is. I'd be very interested in how it performs and what breaks during the time I'd be more likely to own the car...
You must have the patience of a Saint! After paying a king's ransom for a car I would expect impeccable build quality and reliability.
I have driven Hondas for the past 10 years with legendary Japanese reliability, but wanted a change to Electric cars.
I think I'll wait a few years, thanks for your honest review and hope you upgrade to a model 3 soon !
How would a Model 3 be an "upgrade"? I traded this for a Lexus. Ah, Japanese reliability and luxury ;-)
Sorry, I thought you said you were going to trade the model S for a model 3 in your video?
Lexus is a good choice, the epitamy of craftsmanship and quality, enjoy!
I would buy a fully Electric Honda model, but their latest attempts at styling leave a lot to be desired!
I always wondered if Tesla is just another way for Elon to fund his next venture..
Yes it is
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I took your advice and played it at x2 :D great video which demonstrates that Tesla are not experienced car manufacturers
Thanks :-)
Clicked on your link from a thread in Kirk K’s EV news from Toyota. So glad I did! 👍🏼
Terrible to hear about your experience with the Tesla product. Very relieved it’s never left you stranded either. I’m not quite on the EV train, and just waiting to see Toyota/Lexus and other Japanese companies do with their take on the EV. My hope is this reliability will just translate over. Only then will I surrender to the dark side of EV’s. Of course I’ll wait for a few waves.
30Min out of my morning well spent watching this. Love Canada by the way. My first airline as a flight attendant here in the states took me to Canada a lot. The airport codes for Canada were always easy to remember. All started with a Y. YEG, YYC, YZE, YQR, YVR etc etc etc. Edmonton I would have to say was too cold haha. Good times though.
Cheers!
Toyota has announced two full EVs and I will be on board (pun intended). Teslas are cool yes but they don't have build quality, dependability and customer service sorted. I've owned two Teslas but wouldn't buy again. I think Toyota with full EVs will be some real competition for Tesla because of those reasons. The only things I see unique with Tesla in a few years is the supercharger network and autopilot. I've used Autopilot for tens of thousands of miles and it's over-rated marketing hype to date. I haven't personally tried GM's SuperCruise but it looks better in terms of not having to touch the wheel every 20-40 seconds.
This sounds like a maintenance nightmare.
Reliability is my first metric when looking for a vehicle.
You don’t realize how nice good reliability is until it’s gone 😉 I have since traded this car in for a Lexus 👍
@@InternetDude lol
That's why I have a scooter and motorcycle
2007 camry v6, 259,xxx so far replaced alternator and two coils...I've been lucky.
Yeah I learned my lesson the hard way... replaced this with a Lexus, should have done it sooner!
The build-quality reminds me very much, and I’m not saying that as a joke, of a car I had in ‘95. It was also a red one with beige “leather” interior. A 1990 Alfa Romeo 75 V6 QV. It had....more problems than I thought there were parts in the car. But, it never really left me stranded, you could always “solve” the problem just enough to limp home.
But especially the interior-finish, the general level of quality (or the lack there off), and the odd noises coming from doors, centre console, dashboard, the sunroof, and of course the inevitable cracks, rattles, vibrations and whines coming from axles, steering house, belts and other moving parts that seemed fitted by a blind man.
It’s mind boggling that stuff like that is still possible in this day and age. No, no way I’m ever going to buy a Tesla. Unless they really straighten up...which seems unrealistic to me.
The 3 is a bit better built but it’s definitely going to be a solid 3+ years before Tesla has decent build quality, if ever. They are great with the tech stuff (electronics, motors) it seems but they are not the best auto maker.
InternetDude I could probably live with the issues if Tesla were a bit dedicated to delivering decent warranty service and if that free supercharging service was available anywhere in even a 100 mile radius of your house. But the way you got lifted with that free unavailable supercharger that only came in the end, more or less, and then the stuff won’t charge, they mis-diagnose, keep shoving it down the road, charge you in the end for a problem they blatantly ignored....INFURIATING. You can’t trust people like that...
Yes the company is what has turned me off of buying another Tesla.
@@InternetDude A lot of these motors have been in the industry for a long time. Especially heavy industry. High speed rail has been using the regeneration for a long time along with far more powerful motors and has a far high efficiency than any tesla or car on the road.
i just drive my subaru outback 2015 and i have no major problem at all. THANK YOU FOR SHARING.
You’re welcome.
I believe these were not big issues, but you are right to be picky with details when buying such an expensive model.
Thanks I agree
Ready to ditch my MS90D, too! After 5 year by far the worst car I ever had. Even the wallbox charger overheated and was completely wasted after 60k. Junk! Never again!
I have a Taycan now for 7 months, new world experience and finally a real EV.
Nice! I like the Taycan, dealer is too far away for me though. I learned my lesson, I want service close to home.
youre not gonna get Lexus build quality in a tesla
Sadly that is the case.
I remember being such a fanboy of Musk and Tesla. That being said, after learning about what kind of person Musk is, how often he exaggerates and lies to the public about all kinds of crap, his union busting efforts, abysmal working conditions in Tesla factories, shoddy quality of their vehicles and beyond middle class pricing, anti-consumer and anti-right to repair practices, the list goes on and on, I've changed my mind on ever owning a Tesla.
I'm still interested in owning an EV, buying a used up Chevy Bolt or VW, but that's still not something I can afford.
Good plan. I've never been an Elon Musk fanboy but the cars are a blast. I am looking at alternatives but I do like the cars. I still wouldn't own one after my experiences.
Your video is a perfect example of why it is such a challenge an early adopter. But based upon my own experience and also by what is being said by other owners of Tesla's newer models, it seems like reliability is no longer as much of an issue it was in the past.
12V battery issues are still relatively common with the 3, and lots of people have zero cabin heat right now with the Y where I live. Tesla has improved for sure, nowhere near like a Toyota for longevity and build quality though.
I agree. But I think Tesla is headed in the right direction and will get there. Remember the early Hyundai cars?
Don't feel bad. My 2021 Model Y already have too many defects. Windshield water tubing came off. Wind noise on passenger side and also on the back side. Have a car for less than two months and 3 services so far. Next service is on 2/18 and this will be for wind noise related. I found out the whole trunk was misalignment big time.
Oh the reports of quality issues haven't slowed down much in the last year. Lots of people are having issues with a lack of cabin heat near me. They are going to lose customers in the long run if they keep this up, I know they lost me. It's a shame you've had 3 service visits on a brand new car! I had a newer Tesla and had 13 service visits in 2.5 years until I finally reached my breaking point and took a massive $$ hit and dumped it. I have a feeling you will continue to have issues...
@@InternetDude No doubt. I regret not to buy a RX450h sport.
Nope. This further steers me away from Tesla. Fit and Finish issues. Service issues. Parts issues. Personal time spent addressing repairs. There is a logic disconnect here. In general, more expensive "luxury" vehicles require more fussing in general. I guess call us foolish -those of us who can afford to gamble with a luxury car that ends up taking even more of our time and money. This model S taking this much fussing? No thanks. And the Teal model versus the dealer model? I dislike both but I have to go with the dealer model in vehicle purchases. I prefer decentralization. Hell, even Jaguar will pick up my car for servicing, provide me with a loaner, and return my vehicle to me. And they have a 5 year parts and labor bumper-to-bumper. That means EVERYTHING except normal maintenance and tires. Thanks for the great reporting.
If you can handle the compromises a Tesla might be right for you LOL, There are pros & cons both ways dealer vs direct.
In my experience, old line luxury makers coddle owners. So giving you a rental car if you bring the car in -- even for just an oil change. Even if you buy the car USED, but under warranty.
Tesla seems like the opposite, as though you're supposed to worship Musk for having quality of a POS.
Luckily for customers, there will be PLENTY of alternatives as the early 2020's progress.
@@rogergeyer9851 The irony is that the traditional automakers have for the most part resolved all of these fit and finish issues. So an ICE vehicle like Lexus that has 10,000 MORE moving parts than a Tesla has a MUCH lower incidence of repair than a model S. Very sad in a way. I am taking a long hard look at Lucid as a viable alternative.
I have my model s since 2/2014 115000 km. , some issues repaired under warranty , great service , no costs at all , just 2 tires up till now. Great car , the best since I bought my first 2cv in 1968 . By the way I also drove a PONTIAC transsport 400000 km , only 1 set of front brakes in 25 years | that’s all !
You’ve been lucky 😉 I’ve had quite a few problems with my 2018 Model S also. I’m tired of all these issues.
I drove a Model S recently... not terrible, but Im a big guy and getting into the car was uncomfortable. Also hate the borderless windows. Definitely not worth it at the price. Keeping my LS460.
Your Lexus is the better car 😉
This is actually a great summary of all the issues you've faced, and undoubtedly your location being some ways out has played a part in making the entire experience that much more hassle when things have gone wrong.
I'm now two years into ownership of my Tesla Model 3 Performance, and suffered a number of faults in the first year that led to it having to be repeatedly taken in. Then it's been a blissful year without any hassle since then - not a single issue, the car seems stable but then I also am living in south Florida so also don't have the cold to stress the batteries and car in a different way during the winter. The Model 3 is also lower end and more basic with various things that prevent such issues as the door handle problem.
Overall, I'm also delighted with my purchase and planning to keep the car for another couple of years. I similarly bought it for the tech then and went for standard Autopilot. Here we are two years later and no regrets as it's little more than a feature incomplete expensive beta that will require driver supervision for the entire life of my car - in other words, it's a gimmick at this stage and while the potential long term is huge, the smart choice is to enjoy driving this wonderful car and I'll consider the FSD package as and when I eventually consider buying a new one in the future.
Thanks for the comment
It's rare to see a video such as yours. Usually despite all the problems, the owner will at the end tell you the car is great and just forget 5 years of nightmares. I remember looking at the new car ratings in consumers report years back and always seeing nothing but black low ratings for the corvette, but then when the asked if you liked the car and would buy it again, they all said sure, great car. lol
Thanks, Jack. At one point I had two Teslas in the garage, now have a Lexus and a Toyota simply because I got tired of the service repairs and dealing with Tesla the company. The car is fun sure but I hit that point that I had enough. Tesla seems to have turned into more of a lifestyle brand it seems... they even halted Model Y production due to drive motor problems this year. Like literally they still haven't figured out how to build top notch quality into their products.
@@InternetDudePersonally I've owned only two cars in the last 34yrs. My wife is a different story. An 88 Chevy Nova that I got 308k miles from and an 01 Chevy Prizm that now has 402k on it and is still my daily driver. Both are really Toyota Corollas. Neither one has ever broken down or needed a tow. Obviously no prestige but no headaches either. lol
@@jackjohnson6339 smart choices man! 👍
Thank you for this video. This is eye opening as I love the idea of driving a Tesla however, I don’t have all the money or time for all the repairs. I am sorry for all the trouble you had. It sounds like you have a better car now. How do you like the Lexus?
Take care.
Oh I got tired of the repairs and drama and hype with the company and moved on as you know. I have a one year Lexus update video on my channel, check it out. Overall the Lexus is a very high quality car.
A 1987 Hyundai pony never had door handle problems :)
ROASTED LOL
InternetDude
Thanks. :)
And Hyundai tech did not come and charge $1500 under warranty
$1,500 charge for visit even under warranty claim, they are definitely in a whole new level.....
Yes!
Guess they got sick of traveling long distances to fix a minor scratch or bit of leather not fitting perfectly.
Our family has 3 Model S cars 2014 and 2015. About 260.000 km on each no real service so far. Only two door handles so far and those were on warranty. We have charged mainly on SuC every week.
Quality is very hit and miss with the company. I’ve heard a variety of stories good and bad.
In spite of all the problems which you have had, they all seemed very minor. And I did not catch how long the warranty period was.
In time Tesla will franchise the repair of their cars - at least to the limited extent in your video, so there will not be a surcharge on warranty fixes just because you live in an out-of-the-way place.
What I noticed about your Tesla was that it is a nice looking car (but oh for round headlamps). I have even got used to that transparent nose in place of a radiator grille. The paint finish is superb.
I used to love British Leyland cars dearly. They were quirky to look at, but visually very satisfying, imo. But their warranties were strictly 12 months, the paint often had the texture of orange peel, and the cars did not have a great reputation for reliability, outside the warranty period.
If they could have made cars of the quality of your Tesla, forty years ago, they might well still exist.
For anyone interested, British Leyland was sabotaged by having socialism infect the labour force. Endless production stoppages meant the company was always short of development money.
I wouldn't call not being able to charge and get into the car minor. There's also the issue that cropped up where Tesla slowed down all supercharging on 85 kWh cars because there were battery fires. There is more to the story than just endless problems but I've moved on to Lexus.
I veeb watching your series for long time..it's always interesting to listen to good advice
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thats the choice im deciding between my lexus and a tesla
@@lexithelexus7377 i would go 4 Lexus still ...cheers )))
@@CommunityToursAustralia idk !! but tesla look so cool haha do i want reliablity or getting a "future car"
@@lexithelexus7377 yeah true
..but future i want to fly )))
I had 2013 model S I so many problems as well like you! After a year in a half! I sold it because the tech was so old, what caused issues, any Tesla bought after 2017 your good! the tech is awesome, from that year on😄
Eh, no. I had a 2018 Model S, it had too many issues too, see ua-cam.com/video/cx1pUyRJdxk/v-deo.html I'm done with Tesla for now.
My buddy’s Tesla was awesome until it had 3 motors go out, the touch screen went out, the door handle came out and kept coming until it dropped to the floor, not to mention a buffer sound Tesla can’t figure out. Paint is horrible and doors don’t shut with the same solid sound and other cars at a quarter of the price, don’t bring down the window when going down the highway because there maybe an air gap sound when you roll them back up, but besides that…..
Ha ha I'm really not surprised. I think the terrible quality is going to catch up to them. Elon is the master hype guy but in the long run if they don't improve they are going to lose any and all repeat customers. Heck I'd have less issues had I bought a Jeep or Dodge LOL.
Growing pains of the new car manufacturer. The issues you reported hopefully they record them and really make improvements on the manufacturing process. Early adopter pains!
You could be right. I still see build quality issues today in cars coming off the assembly line. Misaligned panels, cabin heat not working, 12V batteries failing, doors not opening or closing right, hair in the paint job, etc. Tesla seems much more concerned about quantity over quality right now in the factory. At some point that will have to change I would think.
@@InternetDude Agree. They are indeed more of a tech/software/energy company than a traditional auto manufacturer. I love what they do. But they are also so focused on running forward and fast expanding. Rapid development is a double edge sword... Seems the Tesla service guys also tired of replacing all the part Lol.
you bought a car in the early stages that was by a company that is a software\hardware company first and a car second. I feel your pain, but your first statement answered most questions for me when you said basically over the last 5 years the car has not failed you. The first 15 issues are earlier adaptor issues. Like when the world switched from a flip phones to a data phones with touch screens. You tell me how many issues people had with those. Most people dealt with those issues, until we got to where we are today. It takes time to get things right. I am still not understanding why you still have it after all these years with all these problems. It's time to sell and move on to a ICE car again.
Yeah I finally had enough and traded it for a Lexus gas car ua-cam.com/video/7lAalu43wxI/v-deo.html - I only wish I had done it sooner. Tesla slowed down the supercharging speed on this car badly using a software update (well-known issue with 85 kWh batteries). I didn't mention it but that was the straw that broke the camel's back so-to-speak. Not to mention the MCUs on these old cars were failing left and right and I knew that repair was going to be $3,000 if I kept the car. I just got done with the stupid repairs and Tesla deliberately slowing down my charging pushed me over the edge. I don't trust them to not do that to other people in the future. They were finally forced by the government to fix the MCUs just last month I think it was? There are a lot of things the company does that tells you they are not the eco-green feel good company that they portray themselves to be. I could go on but that's enough rant for now LOL.
I think the only reason why the Tesla company is still here because they changed the automobile industry forever. Toyota Japan had no intention of mass-producing all-electric vehicles for the next few decades (phototypes often get removed with no tangible consumer product). Then because of Tesla, Toyota is now forced to push all-electric technology sooner than later in all of their markets. EDIT: I just saw you also have switched to Lexus. I have Lexus RX350 and I brought it to brand new in 2017 and I am still in love with it. :)
Toyota has announced they are coming out with a solid state battery vehicle in 4 years. I believe that technology will trump Tesla battery tech. Time will tell. Toyota knows how to make long lasting vehicles...
Would be nice if Tesla could be as reliable as the Toyota/Lexus and Honda lines. Basically $50 oil changes every 5-10K miles and that’s it. And with sub $2 gas in much of the country now makes driving them pretty cheap. I recently bought a 2015 MS 85D with all the options for under 50k with 16k miles. The depreciation is real with Tesla. I Like the looks of the S much better then the 3 not to mention free supercharging and nearly twice the cargo space. Definitely some quality control issues with Tesla and I think you will see the same issues with the 3 as that model matures. Hopefully Tesla can improve its quality over the coming years cause they are fun to drive but hate the thought of needing to sell it before 50k miles because of the many issues to follow.
Thanks for a rare honest review about your experience with Tesla.
I agree! There a few of us owners that are completely forthcoming about our real ownership experiences but I think we are still outnumbered by the fanboy channels. I encourage you to check out some of my older videos since you have the same car.
Elon likes to talk about a million mile drivetrain but I don’t believe they will pull that off for quite a few more years and models. Admittedly many things have improved over the last 5 years but some things have gotten worse. Personally I’d rather have an EV Lexus because it’s so easy for me to get service here plus we have a few decades of known reliability. I’d settle for a PHEV Lexus with decent EV range at this point.
Oil prices have dropped substantially recently and EV tax credits for Tesla are dropping too. With the economy potentially going down the tubes this year new car sales will be hurting.
Great video and recap. I applaud your efforts in documenting and sharing all of your experiences with Tesla. They'll continue to learn and mature as an automaker and should really cherish customers such as yourself for being eagle eyed and forthright about issues big & small. As a 10 year Prius owner who plans to buy a Cybertruck a year or so after they arrive, I do worry a bit about reliability vs Toyota. I'll certainly avoid the first few production waves.
Thanks for the comment. I drove Prius for 7 years before going to Tesla. And... I traded this car off on a Lexus. Hello reliability my old friend ;-) I hope you have easier access to Tesla service and I hope they can improve on it overall by the time you buy a Cybertruck. By the time that comes out I would think they will have learned a ton more lessons on things. So maybe it will be Cybertruck > Y > 3 > S > X ....?
My man, there will be no cyber truck 😞
Nice video man. How much did u spend total out of pocket ?
I forget the exact numbers off-hand. I mention some of the costs in the video. The glove box broke and it is $1500 to replace but I DIY fixed it for $10. The steering shaft was about $500 I think. And I think the battery heater was supposed to be $1100 but I paid $800-ish??
Thanks for posting. I am very much interested in the Tesla. I know you can't expect everything a combustion engine vehicle can do especially in winter. I have a Mazda and my wife has a BMW. I prefer my Mazda. Do you have any other vehicles that you drive?
I traded this car off for a Lexus LS, no regrets. Check out my newer videos to see what I'm driving. I would recommend you avoid Tesla for a few more years yet... cars are fun but the company sucks (customer service, broken promises, poor build quality, etc).
Our KIA sportage went through two full engine replacements on a 2018 within 5000 km. Raised hell. Had the car bought back and purchased a highlander.
Lucky they bought it back. Can’t go wrong with Toyota! Much lower likelihood of repairs, especially major ones.
You did good.
Thanks for the video. I just had my battery heater changed under warranty here in Ottawa. Now I know it would have cost me $1100.00. 2017 model s 75 D. Hope it's not a common problem.
It’s somewhat common, I’ve heard of more than a dozen failures on the TeslaMotorsClub forum. They seem to last 3-5 years.
You may also want to watch this video If you haven’t already ua-cam.com/video/VgHcf58XD8Y/v-deo.html
Would you by your Tesla again?
@@Ottawahoops , I would probably lookb at the Model y, but very happy with the model s I have and don't regret buying it at all. After almost 3 years, I have put no money into it except winter tires and floor mats.
Great video no sunshine and rainbows shame you dont have more views
Thanks, I feel I’m more open & honest than most Tesla owners putting out videos on UA-cam 😉
@@InternetDude I'll bet you are. I'm a fan of Rich Rebuilds and he's had all sorts of problems with his Teslas.
Haha my uncle just got his Model S 2022 delivered and we already spotted some minor imperfections. The rubber along the top of windows is poorly cut and looks cheap as hell. The front passenger door doesn't close as easily as the other 3. There is a panel gap with exposed solidified glue inside the trunk. There are a few bubbles on the left tail light cover. This is inexcusable for a $100,000 car.
Thanks for the comment. I'm not surprised at all. I've had two Model S's, that rubber trim is often out of place. You'd think after 10 years of making the car they could figure that out LOL but it's an easy fix to tuck it back correctly. On my 2018 the front passenger door took too much effort to close as well, Tesla told me it was normal and wouldn't do anything about it. There were numerous times it didn't get closed right and the climate control stayed on and the car unlocked. My 2015 Tesla door closed normally. Panel gaps that is normal for all Teslas unfortunately. As long as people keep buying these overpriced cars Tesla has no reason to give a crap about quality. I paid nearly $200K for my 2018 loaded P100D Model S but the poor quality and endless service is the reason I sold it. I just got fed up. The last year that I had that one I had the mobile tech to my house 5 times and then lost my mind. I still have rattle noises while driving but got tired of service appt after service appt. Good riddance. I hope your uncle has a little better luck but I know he won't. Check out TeslaMotorsClub.com in the Model S forum and you'll see there are dozens of various issues with brand new 2022 Model S cars. They have not improved quality one bit in 10 years.
Love these cars but would not want to own one right now... That is a crazy list of issues for 5years... Never mind the range anxiety and constantly worrying about the charge level. Not for me yet... But thanks for being an early adopter!!
I don’t want to be an early adopter again, not for a while... 😉
I was about to recommend you to buy a Lexus to replace this "thing". Then I read other comments and very happy that you actually traded it in for a Lexus. Let me guess the model: RX450HL?
LS500 : ua-cam.com/video/7lAalu43wxI/v-deo.html
I have a lexus and they have probs too. Not cheap when shit goes wrong bruh.
@@nellatl Can confirm, own a IS350 - But fortunately after 140K miles nothing too expensive has gone wrong. Struts need replaced, TPMS system costed me 460.00 but other than that and Plugs it's been just oil changes. Lexus and Toyota have been pretty cheap to own for me so far. My 2015 prius with 90K miles has literally only needed tires, gas and oil changes... thats it!
@@brandonott7258 prius better. Thet had more time to test. Before 100k i needed radiator, fan, tires, power locks, 2 batteries and tpms.