@kahare9565 Exactly. GRRM said that who sent the catspaw would be revealed in ASoS, and that's the book where the bag of silver was mentioned. (Although it's also the book where Tyrion and Jaime concluded that Joffrey was responsible).
Winds is taking so long because George is developing 3D holographic technology specifically so Quentyn can emerge from the book and look at the reader as he says this
woah. euron hired the cats paw is an interesting option to consider. my personal theory is that GRRM wanted it to be joffrey but he didn’t write it the best and Petyr makes the most sense. canonically it’s joffrey but i think it should be littlefinger
Because the library was burned we don't know if any important books were stolen and the rest burned to hide the loss? Similar to how there are important books rotting at the Wall and in the Citadel?
"You're not supposed to be here," is in my copy of A Game of Thrones. I always liked the idea that people losing time is a sign of telepathic interference, and Cat dissociates up in that tower for a while. So I really like the idea that there are two wargs/time-travelers dueling in that room: One who's set up a perfect scheme to kill Bran and have the loose-end tied up by Summer, and a warg who kept Cat by Bran's side so that she could distract the Catspaw long enough for Summer to thwart the attack.
That is some deep shit. It is so out there that nobody would be able to tell what’s actually happening on the surface. As far as we’re concerned, Cat is just so stricken with near grief that she loses all track of time. But it’s actually brilliant if in some instances in the story, characters are being manipulated into a state of turmoil which makes it easy to skin change into them. And we’d be none the wiser especially looking at/reading the scene for the first time. You just take it as is. But holy shit, this event really jumpstarted ALL of it. I can’t stress enough, how much I love this theory of character dissociation relating to possible manipulation by mysterious forces at play. It’s ingenious. You should spread that shit. Let it be known!
Being adressed, BY REAL FIRST NAME in an episode out of the blue almost made me fall out my chair i swear, and can confirm the fan art is commissioned :D
It's currently 2am in Australia so it may be the sleep deprivation talking but what if Lady Stoneheart is just a pile of sentient maggots in a Catelyn trenchcoat
This got me thinking, what if lady stoneheart sent the catspaw. Catelyn was at the red wedding, and lady stoneheart hates everyone who was at the red wedding for some reason (hope we learn her backstory). Maybe the ghost of high heart told her catelyn would show up so she sent the catspaw ahead of time to get revenge.
Haven’t been super active for a while. Had my first child a few months ago. Great video. Loving it so far. Keep it up guys. Still in my first reading of the series. On Dance now. My baby refuses to let me read. That and my level one run of Elden Ring. Feast was the fucking best, Dance is good for the chapters that I’ve read. Anyway thanks for the vid.
Omg the Dragon Bone Blade is Valyrian Steel. The cat’s paw was trying to kill Bran from the future because he is The Night King!! Reverse making The Night King from the show!!! You make him with Dragon Glass and kill him with Dragon Steel!!
My favorite lyric is “put her canine teeth through the side of my neck” because you can imagine Brigette Bordeaux is a lycanthrope who has just infected Chappel
I like Joff as the culprit more after having had 2 thoughts; 1) if he named his sword Lions Tooth, what kinda name might he give his dagger? and 2) picture Tywin giving Joff this fancy expensive Lannister-themed sword for his bday as some kinda smug power play, then Bobby B goes “oh that’s cool, here’s a Valyrian steel blade I had just laying around.”
The catspaw had his reward on him, so he must have gotten paid either at or on the road to Winterfell, and that dagger was (afawk) only available to the royal family or Little Finger. Also; he WOULD have succeeded if he wasn't surprised by a magical wolf guarding his mark. So he wasn't an amateur.
The catspaw was working for Littlefinger. I don't think it mattered which Stark child was killed as long as the dagger was planted to place blame on someone in Robert's orbit. When Robb and Ser Roderik ride out to intercept the procession LF has some agents in the king's party fire on them to start a fight and make it look like the Starks had seized the king. Mandon Moore could whack Robert in the tumult and make things even worse. LF was in charge back in King's Landing so he calls the banners and gets his revenge on Catelyn and the Starks. LF either winds up Hand if he recovers a member of the royal family or winds up kingmaker if he doesn't.
LF remarks in how expensive it would be to have a Faceless Man kill Dany now that she's a khaleesi, this might have been a roundabout plan to kill Robert in the right place at the right time on the cheap by sending an FM to kill one of the Stark kids
3:02 Tyrion is wrong about everything 3:46 Jamie is also wrong about everything 48:21 hello Jake! 48:43 okay, but maybe you do on INN? 55:38 what people fail to consider is that Littlerfinger just kinda says stuff, like all the damn time. 1:01:17 you need to link to the red door theory in the description, I timestamped the story 1:02:56 updated tiers on stream 1:08:12 Sex and the City is a slow burn horror series, isn’t it?
writing this before i watch just 'cause it's one of those things i can never get over. the catspaw having a valarian steel dagger with dragonbone hilt to boot is SO fucking insane to me. he's being sent to kill a CHILD IN A COMA and they're arming him with litterally the best type of weapon in the world if i was an assassin and you were telling me to go kill the Mountain or a Kingsguard, then yeah offering me a dagger that kickass might help me accept the mission. iwhatever reason the person who gave it him had (i 200% believe it's to set up Cat's investigation and to be trying to pin blame and shit) i bet they told the catspaw "nah man the fact he has a direwolf is no problem, here's a magic fucking knife. you got this bro. absolutely i'm not setting you up to die and set shit in motion, i'd never do that trust me."
one thing about Branos; most of the time he can’t warg humans because it will fry their mind right. But the cats paw dies immediately after this plot so future Bran could be skin changing the catspaw yeah?
Assassination of Bran was a distraction concocted by the white walkers so they could burn the library with all the books on his to kill them. The assassin was already dead.
It's super neat to hear yall mention Hazbin. I've had this one tinfoil Hazbin theory living in my head for *months* that I keep meaning to try to make into a similar style of video to y'alls but if y'all have seen the show maybe I should just send it to ya for the second channel lmao
Mance becoming the most powerful King-Beyond-the-Wall in possibly centuries just in time to head south and avoid the Others, all while having not grown up as a wildling seems almost too incredulous to believe happened without help from someone powerful and well-connected north of the Wall like Bloodraven. Not to mention the fact that Mance somehow knew that Robert was headed for Winterfell, and he managed to time his trip there almost perfectly. And ontop of that, Bran finding out Bloodraven was involved with the Catspaw could be enough to convince him to leave the cave.
If the dagger doesn’t get pinned on Tyrion he doesn’t become hand does he? No trial in the Vale, no Bronn or Mountain Clans. That means Tyrion never joins his father’s war effort. There’s no Shae either. Wow, the catspaw has the craziest butterfly effect
I don't understand the Catelyn would only go south to investigate Bran's attempted murder. She would still join Rob's war effort, because Ned would still investigate the Lannisters and get himself imprisoned. She would want to be there to make sure Sansa and Arya are safely returned to her, and she would think Bran and Rickon would be safe at Winterfell
Okay here's a theory: The Elder Brother on the Quite Isle is Rhaegar. My only evidence in favour of this theory is that Rhaegar is the older (elder) brother to Daenerys and Viserys and his epithet is the only name he gets in the story, also something about people and rubies washing up on the quiet isle after the battle on the trident and the gravedigger clearly being the hound but the hound "died" so he gets a new epithet...
I've been thinking about North-South parallels like comparing Dornish to wildlings. But linking Flints, Mance, and the Reeds could be an extension of GNC.
@@InterestingNerdClub maybe one of them. He lives for mirroring and Kraken "wedding" the dragon from the East is already there. Flints are in three places and seek to know everything that's going on. The sheer number of highborn deaths means that eventually there's land everywhere. Ironborn have possibly seeds connecting to houses under Lannister. Freys are the mother of seeds. Lots of genealogy searching in the Vale and ultimately what sort of administrative personnel do you get with these systems in place?
There are a couple of pretty unnecessary Mance references in the first few chapters, including Bran I IIRC. He doesn't become relevant for a long time (unless he's Rhaegar) and even only for Jon's story, so maybe Martin is trying to set up the mystery.
Here me out…how does Mance know Bloodraven? I suggest this is the 3rd time Mance has had someone die in his place/be a patsy while he was actually off doing something for bloodraven… Mance Rhaegar wasn’t at the trident. Surely, Bloodraven wouldn’t have let Rhaegar go without some influence. So surely bloodraven had some contact at some point with Mance/Rhaegar. …I know…far fetched…
I'm of the opinion that Jamie has been playing the long game and he's been manipulating events as much as Littlefinger or anyone else. My opinions are all based on circumstance and perspective though so I'm afraid i have no proof. I feel like the cop who's about to get suspended in an 80's movie.
Did you forget the bag of silver? Mance says he goes south with a bag of silver, the catspaw had a bag of silver.
I DID FORGET THE BAG OF SILVER
Major detail to leave out
Does not change the fact that whoever sended him it was timetraveling Bran that made it possible for Bran to go to Bloodraven earlier.
@@InterestingNerdClub that just makes it more compelling without that piece of evidence
@kahare9565 Exactly. GRRM said that who sent the catspaw would be revealed in ASoS, and that's the book where the bag of silver was mentioned. (Although it's also the book where Tyrion and Jaime concluded that Joffrey was responsible).
I can't wait for the part in Winds where Quentyn turns to the camera and explains how he is the catpaw
Winds is taking so long because George is developing 3D holographic technology specifically so Quentyn can emerge from the book and look at the reader as he says this
@@warpedwhimsical in fact he has already developed it the rrsl hold up is how to resurrect lysa tully so he can make more sex scenes
woah. euron hired the cats paw is an interesting option to consider.
my personal theory is that GRRM wanted it to be joffrey but he didn’t write it the best and Petyr makes the most sense. canonically it’s joffrey but i think it should be littlefinger
Because the library was burned we don't know if any important books were stolen and the rest burned to hide the loss? Similar to how there are important books rotting at the Wall and in the Citadel?
Maybe the who sent the catspaw was the friends we made along the way
"don't you see, the real catspaw was inside you all along"
the zombie holds up a love actually card that reads "only his knife and only briefly"
@@TheCreepyLantern🤣🤣🤣🤣
"You're not supposed to be here," is in my copy of A Game of Thrones.
I always liked the idea that people losing time is a sign of telepathic interference, and Cat dissociates up in that tower for a while.
So I really like the idea that there are two wargs/time-travelers dueling in that room: One who's set up a perfect scheme to kill Bran and have the loose-end tied up by Summer, and a warg who kept Cat by Bran's side so that she could distract the Catspaw long enough for Summer to thwart the attack.
I've warmed to the 'LF is a greenseer' theory, that could dovetail with what you're proposing
That is some deep shit. It is so out there that nobody would be able to tell what’s actually happening on the surface. As far as we’re concerned, Cat is just so stricken with near grief that she loses all track of time. But it’s actually brilliant if in some instances in the story, characters are being manipulated into a state of turmoil which makes it easy to skin change into them. And we’d be none the wiser especially looking at/reading the scene for the first time. You just take it as is. But holy shit, this event really jumpstarted ALL of it.
I can’t stress enough, how much I love this theory of character dissociation relating to possible manipulation by mysterious forces at play. It’s ingenious. You should spread that shit. Let it be known!
We all have two wolves fighting within us.... nice idea
I hope they play “Hot to Go”!
Babe, this is the Interesting Nerd Club.
0:02
Being adressed, BY REAL FIRST NAME in an episode out of the blue almost made me fall out my chair i swear, and can confirm the fan art is commissioned :D
currently at 9:45 it's clear to me now...old nan sent the catspaw
Fate Zero mentioned? A surprise to be sure but a welcome one
It's currently 2am in Australia so it may be the sleep deprivation talking but what if Lady Stoneheart is just a pile of sentient maggots in a Catelyn trenchcoat
This got me thinking, what if lady stoneheart sent the catspaw. Catelyn was at the red wedding, and lady stoneheart hates everyone who was at the red wedding for some reason (hope we learn her backstory). Maybe the ghost of high heart told her catelyn would show up so she sent the catspaw ahead of time to get revenge.
HOTTOGOT
Maybe no one hired the catspaw. Maybe the rabies hired the catspaw.
Funnily enough, I actually thought that Mance could've realistically been the one to send the Cat's paw, it seems like a Mance move tbh.
Haven’t been super active for a while. Had my first child a few months ago. Great video. Loving it so far. Keep it up guys. Still in my first reading of the series. On Dance now. My baby refuses to let me read. That and my level one run of Elden Ring. Feast was the fucking best, Dance is good for the chapters that I’ve read. Anyway thanks for the vid.
CONGRATULATIONS. Both on having a baby and getting to Dance!!
You are on the verge of figuring it all out. Elden ring is essentially based on Asoiaf lore.
@ I do do a lot of parallel drawing between the books and ER to help understand the each more effectively.
I will point out that although the motivation is different, this was one of the two suspects Preston Jacobs had (Killing Bran part 2).
it was
tyrion
Omg the Dragon Bone Blade is Valyrian Steel. The cat’s paw was trying to kill Bran from the future because he is The Night King!!
Reverse making The Night King from the show!!! You make him with Dragon Glass and kill him with Dragon Steel!!
My favorite lyric is “put her canine teeth through the side of my neck” because you can imagine Brigette Bordeaux is a lycanthrope who has just infected Chappel
cersei Lannister actually has rabies which she got from Joffrey that's why she's going crazy
She would be dead by now if this is true.
28:44 somethings in the library that's important that
So are you saying it was Ser Pounce?
I like Joff as the culprit more after having had 2 thoughts; 1) if he named his sword Lions Tooth, what kinda name might he give his dagger? and 2) picture Tywin giving Joff this fancy expensive Lannister-themed sword for his bday as some kinda smug power play, then Bobby B goes “oh that’s cool, here’s a Valyrian steel blade I had just laying around.”
Read the books
@ read the room 😂 we make silly jokes here
I don't think that commenter was joking. But great episode anyway, fellas.
Can’t believe that I buy into this theory now. Blank you both for that earworm. Spelling songs are viruses. I have an immune deficiency. Thanks
New Theory: Renly, who is actually a green man, was sent by Bran to pretend to be a Baratheon to cause more chaos.
The catspaw had his reward on him, so he must have gotten paid either at or on the road to Winterfell, and that dagger was (afawk) only available to the royal family or Little Finger.
Also; he WOULD have succeeded if he wasn't surprised by a magical wolf guarding his mark. So he wasn't an amateur.
amateur assassins can also succeed in their mission, or almost succeed in this case.
Red Wedding Supernova 🤔
Weird Al’s and Will Forte’s version of hot to go is way better than the original
The entirety of Rise and Fall is a masterpiece and I will fight you about it, Zac
The catspaw was working for Littlefinger. I don't think it mattered which Stark child was killed as long as the dagger was planted to place blame on someone in Robert's orbit. When Robb and Ser Roderik ride out to intercept the procession LF has some agents in the king's party fire on them to start a fight and make it look like the Starks had seized the king. Mandon Moore could whack Robert in the tumult and make things even worse. LF was in charge back in King's Landing so he calls the banners and gets his revenge on Catelyn and the Starks. LF either winds up Hand if he recovers a member of the royal family or winds up kingmaker if he doesn't.
LF remarks in how expensive it would be to have a Faceless Man kill Dany now that she's a khaleesi, this might have been a roundabout plan to kill Robert in the right place at the right time on the cheap by sending an FM to kill one of the Stark kids
I fucking LOVE that Chappell has invaded INC. ❤❤❤❤
H-O-T-T-O-G-O
33:58 the Catpaws is a faceless man meant to fail?
@@nathanielvalla6142 sent by euron
Bran sent the Catspaw. through his time god actions, he hired the Catspaw so his mom would leave Winterfell
3:02 Tyrion is wrong about everything
3:46 Jamie is also wrong about everything
48:21 hello Jake!
48:43 okay, but maybe you do on INN?
55:38 what people fail to consider is that Littlerfinger just kinda says stuff, like all the damn time.
1:01:17 you need to link to the red door theory in the description, I timestamped the story
1:02:56 updated tiers on stream
1:08:12 Sex and the City is a slow burn horror series, isn’t it?
Sex and the City always scared the hell out of me.
Yes got home from work and rolled a blunt just in time to watch the new nerd club insanity before the bengals game
writing this before i watch just 'cause it's one of those things i can never get over. the catspaw having a valarian steel dagger with dragonbone hilt to boot is SO fucking insane to me. he's being sent to kill a CHILD IN A COMA and they're arming him with litterally the best type of weapon in the world
if i was an assassin and you were telling me to go kill the Mountain or a Kingsguard, then yeah offering me a dagger that kickass might help me accept the mission.
iwhatever reason the person who gave it him had (i 200% believe it's to set up Cat's investigation and to be trying to pin blame and shit) i bet they told the catspaw "nah man the fact he has a direwolf is no problem, here's a magic fucking knife. you got this bro. absolutely i'm not setting you up to die and set shit in motion, i'd never do that trust me."
These will all get funnier if Isaac Hempstead Wright eventually plays The Doctor one day.
I've always thought the man who gives Bran the blackberries is a ghost
Dreadfort juice is my new name for cosmos.
Remember the dagger was in Robert's luggage though. How would Mance get it?
Bran is Doctor Who confirmed.
We can assume the Blade is the real price paid to the assassin- not the gold
one thing about Branos; most of the time he can’t warg humans because it will fry their mind right. But the cats paw dies immediately after this plot so future Bran could be skin changing the catspaw yeah?
"Kicked me out with the rent paid
Ruined my credit, stole my cute aesthetic"
👋 housemates!
Love the theory
The definition of catspaw is someone who is unwilling or unwitting. We know he was willing, so what did he not know? That he was setup to die?
Assassination of Bran was a distraction concocted by the white walkers so they could burn the library with all the books on his to kill them. The assassin was already dead.
Joffrey sending the catspaw would disprove the rabies theory and that just can’t fly
It's super neat to hear yall mention Hazbin. I've had this one tinfoil Hazbin theory living in my head for *months* that I keep meaning to try to make into a similar style of video to y'alls but if y'all have seen the show maybe I should just send it to ya for the second channel lmao
YESSS SEND IT IN
Mance becoming the most powerful King-Beyond-the-Wall in possibly centuries just in time to head south and avoid the Others, all while having not grown up as a wildling seems almost too incredulous to believe happened without help from someone powerful and well-connected north of the Wall like Bloodraven.
Not to mention the fact that Mance somehow knew that Robert was headed for Winterfell, and he managed to time his trip there almost perfectly.
And ontop of that, Bran finding out Bloodraven was involved with the Catspaw could be enough to convince him to leave the cave.
This is the first time I've ever had a song that I've never heard before stuck in my head.
Thanks, guys.
If the dagger doesn’t get pinned on Tyrion he doesn’t become hand does he? No trial in the Vale, no Bronn or Mountain Clans. That means Tyrion never joins his father’s war effort. There’s no Shae either. Wow, the catspaw has the craziest butterfly effect
Ned is coming back as a Stormcast Eternal confirmed.
I don't understand the Catelyn would only go south to investigate Bran's attempted murder. She would still join Rob's war effort, because Ned would still investigate the Lannisters and get himself imprisoned. She would want to be there to make sure Sansa and Arya are safely returned to her, and she would think Bran and Rickon would be safe at Winterfell
Wars feed men to the nights watch. Specifically lords and knights which the wall needs desperately
32:52 Personally, I prefer Chronomancer.
52:37 Clearly, one of Mance's spearwives IS Time Traveling Bran!
I believe Preston Jacobs had this as a theory.
Okay here's a theory: The Elder Brother on the Quite Isle is Rhaegar. My only evidence in favour of this theory is that Rhaegar is the older (elder) brother to Daenerys and Viserys and his epithet is the only name he gets in the story, also something about people and rubies washing up on the quiet isle after the battle on the trident and the gravedigger clearly being the hound but the hound "died" so he gets a new epithet...
*looking down at his Interesting Nerd Club bingo card*
Huh…….John Hinkley Jr. No shit!
I've been thinking about North-South parallels like comparing Dornish to wildlings. But linking Flints, Mance, and the Reeds could be an extension of GNC.
Woah this is a very cool idea. What else do you have so far
Are the daynes the reeds?
Are the daynes the reeds?
@@InterestingNerdClub maybe one of them. He lives for mirroring and Kraken "wedding" the dragon from the East is already there.
Flints are in three places and seek to know everything that's going on. The sheer number of highborn deaths means that eventually there's land everywhere. Ironborn have possibly seeds connecting to houses under Lannister. Freys are the mother of seeds. Lots of genealogy searching in the Vale and ultimately what sort of administrative personnel do you get with these systems in place?
Mance is probably an anarchist in the true sense
I genuinely think George’s forgot about this arc (my opinion before 5secs in)
Ned sent the catspaw
Ramsey is so brat
So the prophecy on the dagger is about Cat's blood? Bran is TPTWP
Hottogo
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ACG MENTIONED
There are a couple of pretty unnecessary Mance references in the first few chapters, including Bran I IIRC. He doesn't become relevant for a long time (unless he's Rhaegar) and even only for Jon's story, so maybe Martin is trying to set up the mystery.
Cackling right from the intro
Good, you caught on to more than one person sent... that dagger is priceless... kind of like a dragon's egg?? Hint hint
Here me out…how does Mance know Bloodraven? I suggest this is the 3rd time Mance has had someone die in his place/be a patsy while he was actually off doing something for bloodraven…
Mance Rhaegar wasn’t at the trident. Surely, Bloodraven wouldn’t have let Rhaegar go without some influence. So surely bloodraven had some contact at some point with Mance/Rhaegar. …I know…far fetched…
Is it casual now?
Do u think satin listens to this song and quietly cries about Jon?
34:04 I’m working on this
I think lilfinger did it
It was Hodor
This episode's got some bad news for Tak shippers.
Hi Jake
It was actually me guys, sorry
I like this
I'm of the opinion that Jamie has been playing the long game and he's been manipulating events as much as Littlefinger or anyone else.
My opinions are all based on circumstance and perspective though so I'm afraid i have no proof.
I feel like the cop who's about to get suspended in an 80's movie.
Bran sent the catspaw by worging a human and then worged summer to save himself, had Catelyn never left winterfell Bran never would’ve
Please don't sing anymore. Thanks