The "Good Crow/Bad Crow" Theory ft. Michael Talks About Stuff - ASOIAF Theories
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2024
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I'm surprised no one said "all crows are liars"
Bodysnatched Euron is also a good theory because Victarion DOES note that Euron hadn't appeared to age in the years he'd been gone, so it's possible that the only living person to notice that Euron isn't Euron but is too dumb to tell, DID ACTUALLY NOTICE but everything else distracted him enough for the ruse to still stand
OOOOOH. MAYBE WE CAN FIND INCONSISTENCIES IN VICTARION AND ASHAS CHAPTERS.
Fun Fact: In the Norse creation myth, Muspelheim (Fire Realm) and Niflheim (Ice Realm) getting closer together incited the creation of the world. Specifically, the heat melted some of the ice, creating a bit of water who is actually the proto-god Ymir (Whine, or Cry). That proto-god is also called Aurgelmir (Gravel-Yell). Later, his children would kill him and build the world from his body.
So one could say that the Norse creation myth is A Scream of Ice and Fire. Or maybe, if you wanted, A Metal Song of Ice and Fire.
Does Gelmir by itself have a meaning?
Notably at the point of Ragnarok both primordial forces of creation (ice and fire) are on the side of destruction (and thus chaos, as opposed to the gods who represent order). And when the world is born anew it rises from the sea. And yes, Nidhoggr who was gnawing at the roots of the world tree (that extends throughout all the realms) is there at the new beginning among the few living aesir, setting up the cycle of order and chaos yet again.
@@williamfryer8460 "Gelmir" is to make a loud sound.
In modern Norwegian we'd say "gjaller", which is something that is deeply resounding.
That tracks because in an unreleased chapter George writes that Long Claw turns into a white Explorer guitar with a sticker that says "FUK TREE"
@@haerverk Same root as Gjallerhorn I suppose. Dang.
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This is my favorite comment. This is a very helpful very good comment thank you
These theories get wilder every year. This is what a decade of no winds does to people.
12 years to be exact 🤣
You want to hear a wild theory?? I'm fairly certain that Mance Rayder is wearing the skin of Wilem Darry!
General rule of thumb for new people if they ramble too long skip to when you see the first qoute onscreen and youl hit the meat of whatever frey pie of a theory theyve concocted
Or youl hear about the elves of lothlorian for 10 minutes
@@orionbernards603 this is way shorter than the total time we spend on Lorien
Another thing - the childhood to adulthood transition is another big theme is how the difficulties are either overcome, lived through, used as lessons, or destroy the characters. Transform or die.
I didn't think ranger pork was a theory, the bodies are said to look carved
Theory starts at 3:14
2:17 MTAS should play You’re All Wrong with Meera Reads and RIG
2:58 🫡
9:13 once again, almost all dramatic tension is resolved if people just talk to each other
13:08 I maintain that Bran is just not as good of a birder as he thinks he is, Bloodraven was presenting as a raven and Bran thinks it’s a crow
54:41 maybe Bloodraven is an act utilitarian so that Bran may be a rule utilitarian?
1:02:13 oh, GRRM played FFVI too
1:29:24 they were more trouble than they were worth
I want to play You're All Wrong EVERY DAY
You missed the Memory Sorrow and Thorn wrinkle. Bran is the patsy, who will burn it all down and Euron is escape hatch. Euron thinks he’s on an apotheosis track, but he’s just setting himself up for Bloodraven to skin change into at the last moment. Bloodraven can then rebuild the world as he sees fit with the power Euron had accrued.
Elden Ring Reverse engineering. Blood Raven wants to merge his spirit with Bran and knows that Bran must become king by some means and betray everything that came before.
Ranni kills her own body but through ritual her soul lives on. She just needed another soul to kill and the body lived on. Then she puts herself in a doll.
Time travelling bran -- telling the mad king "to burn them all" - by turning him mad, danny returns the dragons. then the dragon burns the god's eye - the god's eye might be the center of the net.
Two hours? I can't imagine how many tangents I'm in for
I love Michael talks about stuff!
I love this theory. I thought it’s going to be that euron is bloodraven but this is even better.
WOW!!! Agree with everything this is a pact to end the world…AND remake it in it’s image. This is the crux of the story.
Whose image should the world be remade? Euron sees the faces of two gods, Jon and Bran.
This is the original battle going back several millenia of OG Jon Snow aka the Night King and OG Bran “the Builder” Stark aka Bloodraven/3eyed crow
Jon Snow was accidentally made immortal by the Children of the Forest and Bran the Builder has lived consecutive 2nd lives by skin changing into Children of the Forest greenseers. At one point he could not get more hosts because the Night King had trapped him in his burrow so he manipulated and lured the green seer Bloodraven to the wall and to his cave.
I think there is another démission to this theory: Jon Snow/Night King this is the parallel universe that controls the dead/ice. In the battle the Brans had a head start because I believe the impetus to build the crypts of Winterfell was to entomb the Night King until it was time to destroy the world and start anew. That is why Bran the builder knew how many levels to go down.
My thought is that the Night King broke out of the crypts via the weir wood root network until he found himself under the wall. He emerged in Hardhome. The blast was so bright that the sentry on top of the wall thought that "sun (son) had risen in the North" - a resurrection. Since then he has been counteracting Bran the Builders moves.
The choice of a rebuilt world is between Bran:All crows are liars or Jon Snow who is actually the Frodo/Harry Potter self sacrificing character . Jon brings disparate communities together and has shown himself to be a leader of all men... Bran the builder, not so much.
Yes I do believe the Night King and the Others will save mankind. I think GRRM story is about looking beyond propaganda even thousand year old propaganda and look a true motives Bran/Bloodraven/3eyed raven/Children of the forest are the baddies.
Theory starts at 22:05
Thank me later.
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If Quaithe is Shiera Seastar, then she's been working with Bloodraven manipulating Dany.
Varys is a master of disguise. Still an actor. If Arya returns to KL with the acting troupe she might be recognized by him if she, as I think, tries to get near to Cersie in the guise of Mercy the apprentice to the troupe, which is now playing a "wicked dwarf" play which the Queen Regent should love.
Varys would likely want Cersie to live, at least long enough for Aegon/Faegon to defeat her.
There is a theme through all the books that I think you are missing, even though you are so close at times - it is childhood trauma PERIOD, whether you get magic or not, and most do not. This world is cruel to children, latent magic, noble or royal parents, knowledge, none of these things protect you. FATE is a very strong theme in this book.
So I actually got this theory pretty quickly. Because I'd heard it in the altshift x and glidus food description reveiw part 2 when the crow pork and jojen paste come up, this further confirms my theory that alt shift x is time traveling bran
Maybe only death can pay for life, but remember that to get the maximum value (like Azor Ahai's ability to stop the Long Night) the giving up of life must be WILLING.
5 months late but some thoughts:
1) Bran dying and resurrecting as a part of the new world tree also supports the idea of him as Bloodraven’s successor. Maybe he comes back as part of that tree, physically and mentally connected to it i.e. a new man in the tree
2) the Christ metaphor also works in that Jesus is referred to as “king of kings.” Maybe the bad dragon show’s election of Bran as King is their interpretation of George setting Bran up as this god-like entity who presides over the ruling families of Westeros at the end of DoS??? That way he can also enforce greater morals like not doing the old ways too
With Victarion’s new lava hand, there could be some Midas Touch shenanigans going on. In that case, what happens if HE touches the Weirwood Net, trying to gain the power he knows Euron wants?
That's actually a really fun theory. Let's think. It would be like letting the Lord of light into the trees. They'd eat them alive. That's a very cool theory.
@@InterestingNerdClub Just imagine the Victarion lines: "The Weirwood Net, imagine all the fish I could catch!"
@@Rougarou99 this may be the funniest comment. This is an incredible joke.
Euron is Gollum?
I wanted to do a meme response to this comment but Zac told me not to
Instead I'll just say that this is a fun take and leave it at that. Blame Zac. The bit was funny.
Seems the big problem is Bloodraven not being the 3 Eyed Crow
Less than 3 minutes in and listening to this. I’m newer to this community but I’d like to point out that it’s definitely a 25 minute video. You just have to know what 25 minutes you’re trying to watch.
Following up. Still early on in Storm. Things happened and I haven’t gotten to really sit and read it the way I want to but it’s super good and I can’t wait for whitebeard to be Barriston and was mindblown by Mance.
Also you guy’s describing Blood Raven you made me think hard about Mohg the Lord of Blood from Elden Ring. I like to use that as a way to reverse engineer understanding of Martin’s worldbuilding.
I never found the Jojen paste theory particularly interesting. Plausible, yes, but not interesting. Tom's ad hoc suggestion, that it was actually Benjen, now *that's* awesome. I really hope GRRM decides to go with this.
I love a comment that agrees with me implicitly
Bloodraven is mostly in the trees. Why would he be fighting this at this juncture? I think he is pro weirwood and pro net of trees and is working for the Greenseeing Old Gods Power, which will balance the contest between Ice and Fire.
Upon my first reading of ASOIAF, before I had been polluted by other peoples ideas and theories, I had always had this notion that Bran is the three eyed crow, and that it would tie in perfectly to my other idea that a lot of the visions and whispers we see from him and other character POVs is actually “future” Bran talking to himself and other characters. Now one doesn’t have to be true to make the other true but it just made sense to me. Especially how early we see Bran communicate with other people, even though he wasn’t really using his abilities at that point. I could be wrong about the crow, sure it could just be Bloodraven, but I’m pretty sure he is communicating to people through time….and if he can to them, why not to himself? Maybe even Bloodraven doesn’t realize he’s being manipulated by a future version of bran? I dunno. I just think it’s something a lot of people poo-poo and overlook nowadays.
I love it when you have a theory for me ❤
So maybe...Bloodraven realizes that the society of men as they conduct themselves in the current world are hopelessly astray because they are stuck in the past...they cannot get over personal and cultural grudges, so they fight wasteful wars that prevent them from progressing as a civilization...so he wants to wipe the slate clean from the past (the Old Gods/Weirwood net, truly "break the wheel" of society) through Euron, and he believes mankind in the post apocalypse will still need a benevolent God, and that's Bran. I think this lens you guys are on rings true to the themes GRRM has developed in his other fiction, so...yeah!
Ummm IF there is a central Heart Tree it on the Isle of Faces not on the Wall.
But it would be SO MUCH BETTER if the auxiliary trees like the Wall trees were destroyed, leaving the roots of the Wierwood network intact for the rebirth. THIS WAS FUN, BUT I DON'T BUY IT. The Green power (power of the fertile Earth) must balance the forces of Ice and Fire and it is the only magic/ godly power that can make the green shoots spring up through the snow like in the Bad Dragon Show. It must live.
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IF as Mike talks about the Wall some other artifacts are powered by captured Others what does it mean that they are free if the system comes apart?
New drinking game. Take a shot every 5th um or uh. I died about 7 min in. Jokes aside I love how dark this theory is. Only death pays for life indeed.
Euron clearly is the body for bloodraven. That or Jon. Theyre the only bodies he could take as he swaps bran😊
Bloodraven for the greater GOOD? The greater good of whom?
1:19:45, Daemon Targaryen is the Eleventh Bran
Oh fuck.. Here we go again....
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Wait people listen for the theories
I suppose somebody does, I listen for the football analysis
Great vid👍🏽
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One doing the bad stuff and one not wanting the power but needing to accept it. Miquella and Ranni.
More reverse engineering. Elden song of Rings and Fire is absolutely about the Gods warring for control of the mortal plane as the sole god with influence over the world and Melisandre is absolutely a mortal vessel for R’hollor as the Fire Giant carries the Fell God and the Flame of Frenzy wars with the Greater Will for control while Mortals deal with Mortal shit and one of them needs to become Elden King of the Iron Throne of Gondor to become the Vessel ushering the new age of something.
Also Marika definitely manipulates others into doing the things required to kill the Gods and the Ring wasn’t destroyed by accident. None, even Sauron himself could overpower the Ring and cast it in to Mt. Doom. The Rings power was too great. So basically if you read the Tolkien letters… God manipulated events to ensure Gollum survived long enough to take the ring at the right time and fall in so Frodo wouldn’t have to die. Nonetheless he did have the Ring for to long and would never truly be free of it’s power it left over him so he sails to Valinor (willingly moves on to another plane) to live his last years in peace and die.
I've listened to the entire thing and I don't agree
Okay
@@everettreynolds5167 I posted that 2 minutes after they posted a 2 hour video
Maybe this isn’t the best idea for a video. It’s sort of frustrating watching you two guess for 2 hours and then not really have time to actually talk about the theory.