Intel ARC GPUs NEED This Setting Turned ON
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- This video is a quick follow up to my recent Intel Arc video taking about the importance of ReBar.
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Honestly I really like how Intel came into the GPU market and actually made something decent instead of failing. Good job Intel!
After the drivers mature, Intel will provide incredible value for low to mid tier GPUs.
We desperately needed a competitor with sane prices in the current GPU marketplace. Great job Intel indeed!
@thecouchtripper sounds like someones potato doesnt support rebar lmao
@thecouchtripper it's like two clicks.....
@thecouchtripper Yeah but it is a bit better than I expected. And well Intel is a bit new to the GPU market so I did not expect them to deliver anything close to NVIDIA or AMD
really hope they wont cancel their gpu division. if they struggle on and iron out the bad in reasonable time, then i can say " good job!"
If you want even more confusion get an ASUS motherboard. There you have "Re-Size BAR support" enabled/disabled and then in the top menu (but only there) a "Re-Size BAR" ON/OFF switch. If you only enable the support you still don't have Re-Size BAR enabled ... wow.
WHY? why would they do that? I litteraly cannot think of a single time that would be a good idea. It's litteraly adding a "do you really want to use this feature?" button after it's asked you like 3 times already....
Can confirm this as I spent 2 months with what I thought was resize bar support being on until I looked in Nvidia control panel and it showed as off but in the Bios it said it was on. Thanks Asus! 👍
The Bar Strikes Back: Return of the Jumper Switch 😆
You dont? Oh shoot
How do you turn it on then?
Yeah, I guess it sort of makes sense. In case of instability perhaps or to toggle between games maybe? Because adding the option in AMD/NVIDIA driver software is a bit annoying..but there is a niche use case
Thanks for the follow up, I was a little confused to as why my Arc A750 was performing better than the A770, but I'm glad you followed up with an explanation. This is why I love your channel. Keep up the great content!
How going so far? This launch is so weird i actually interested in getting one, when it arrive in my country of course, the sensible choice would be to get a establish one but i just rly curious, so curious i would buy less them a "high end" card.
@@BrutalButtSlap Perhaps wait a little more until the drivers get better, but if you want to buy a gpu sooner then go for amd or nvidia
@@gamin546 yeah for sure, like i said just curiosity rly, we don't even have the new gen "mid high spec" cards still (4060,4070, 7700, 7800).
My curiosity is the real world usage, does it crash lot? just a little buggy (mean still usable) or just a little slow
@@BrutalButtSlap I know it probably doesn't matter now, but I got one recently and it's been great so far!
"I made a mistake. Here is what I did wrong, Here are the updated results." LOVE THIS. As a side note, there are members of the x79/x99 enthusiast community that have been modding BIOS to support Rebar. Supposedly, nearly ANY PCIE 3.0 system can be modded. Neat 'eh? I wasn't a big fan of the idea that many NEW GPUs have reverse compatibility issues, but it's nice to see people working hard to enable ReBar. As it stands, rebar only has official support on x299, Desktop Intel 8th gen or newer, and AMD B450/X470 and newer.
I don't love it. I think admitting to your mistakes is a sign of weakness. I think he should have just doubled down and said it was the youtube comments that were wrong.
@@jeremyphillips3087 lol
@@jeremyphillips3087 lol, I wonder if anybody will take that literally.
now mod the Intel DZ87KLT-75K and find some weird way to make intel ssd work with it, now you need just ram, with that you have justa rly bad only intel pc.
I sure some aesthetic modding you can make look like same pakage as A770 hell i sure there is even a Intel Water cooler for the i7-4790K
Currently using chinese x79 motherboard and modded my bios to have ReBAR enabled...
Enabling resizable bar + increasing the power limite to 228w or the maximum allowed + oc will make a huge diffrence with the 770
What about a750 ?
@@avrahazra9869 All arc GPUs require resize BAR to be enabled. It's an oddity of the way the memory architecture of all arc GPUs work.
Hey dawid, also thought you should know there is a program known as dxvk that is able to replace dx 11, 10 and 9 games to run through Vulcan, which the ARC cards are much better at running.
I second that, would love to see a review with dxvk
I wanted to say that, but you took the words right out of my mouth. I think RandomGaminginHD did a video on it.
Didn't know that exists on windows. But I've used it on Linux with proton all the time and it works great.
@@dotmatrixmoe He did, he used dxvk on gta 4 and the performance literally doubled and the stutters were no more
@El Cactuar thanks, I tried to spell it correctly but autocorrect doesn't know the difference
Re-Bar especially helps low level render APIs like DX12 and Vulkan. GTA5 runs on DX11, which helps having it one especially on Intel GPUs but not as much. In general, the Arc GPUs seem to be designed with low level APIs in mind, wich also explains their lackluster performance in older APIs.
Kinda hoped he test DXVK with GTA 5 there
I like that Dawid is willing to do these sort of updates based on feedback. Not everyone does that as long as they got their views on the original video.
Maybe you should make it into a series: "the state of the Intel Arc Driver" and check out the performance every couple of weeks/months to see if the "hidden potential" of the Intel GPU is slowly revealed or it will stay rotten forever...
It has been getting better, but last major WHQL release was underwhelming, at best.
You should try DXVK that could improve performance in some games
Props to you @Dawid for realising your mistake, owning up and publishing an update, because it really did seem like you may not have had it enabled because your huge stuttering was something a lot of other reviewers commented on without rebar, and the Intel engineers themselves highlighted really should be enabled.
Alas my system with its 10700k is stuck with a motherboard with no Rebar support, but I have a 3080 anyway, so it's not so catastrophic lol
What motherboard? My B460M has rebar support and I'm using a 10400F
@@IPendragonI a really crap Acer motherboard that they refused to update to expose rebar despite it being a relatively high end machine...
Is it really a mistake when you have to enable a completely obscure setting that almost nobody will know about just to get the performance that you paid for?
@@alexrose1ukv2Maybe someone online has made a custom bios adding support. Worth checking out.
@@wanderingwobb6300 unfortunately not :(
Stepping on a lego is pleasurable compared to a landmine hahaha xDD
Hate to be that guy but your Arc control shows the driver you are using has the bug specifically to the A770 where the ram is downclocked to 2000mhz. There is a beta driver that fixes this available on Intel's Github.
Doesn't stop it being a bit crashy and it still craps the bed when trying to wake from a sleep state though
DAWID LOOK AT YOUR COMMENTS! also i got my hands on an arc a380 I live in the uk but I'm sure if i could get one I'm sure you could get one
Three monts ago i bought the cheapest RX 6600 that i could find in my country, a Powercolor Fighter model. Resizable Bar made a huge difference for my card. I had around 20fps with massive stutters in demanding games, but with ReBar enabled i got 60 or more frames per second. My motherboard is an Aorus b450i pro wifi and my cpu is a Ryzen 5 3600.
It's one heck of an achievement Intel. Drivers now basically make the same performance as 3070 Ti / 6800 Xt. Really crazy the next Intel GPU, now around the corner, is going to flaw NVidia & AMD
3070ti/6800XT performance... WHAT!??!?!
Hey Dawid, you should try using ARC GPU's with VXVK enabled. The vulkan drivers for the intel cards are much more fleshed out so it would be interesting to see the vulkan performance compared to dx11 or dx12.
DXVK not VXVK
It's more that it runs vulkan and dx12 well, but uses compatbility layers for many older things and doesn't really support a lot of old stuff natively. Their translation layers though are surprisingly.. amazingly good with little errors.
For $350, I am very impressed with my A770.
It's now 230$ open box at Microcenter
@@tenkayruanaya2554 An even better deal, especially since all the driver work that has been done over the last several months.
Was waiting for this exact follow up, as always thanks for making cool content for us, I would also love to see a follow up video about VA displays with the samsung Odyssey g7 version.
I hope you doing well Dawid.
for asrock it's called C.A.M (Clever Access Memory) you find it in 'Advanced/Chipset Configuration'
Why do they have come up with fancy names for features that already have a name... These mainboard brands really don't know what they are selling.
Yeesh, I hope the next generation of Intel dGPUs have better drivers. Looks like they poached the people who made the buggy ass RX5000 GPU drivers from AMD lol
Call me a purist but I think I prefer the cinematic experience of turning on rebar on my spare motherboard while I play at 2fps.
You're not alone in not finding this setting. I have a Gigabyte Z590 UD AC motherboard and it took me a loooong time to realize that it had resizable bar available. Because of that above 4G Encoding setting hiding it! I have an RTX 3080 so turning it on doesn't do much for performance though.
Honestly fron the benchmarks the intel arc gpus are not bad at all! Tho it has it issues but it is intels first gpu so props to them and hope to see what intel comes up with in the future and great video as always dawid!
If it's rebar you need, just head on down to Home Depot or ask politely at a construction site.
...Couldn't resist.
That cooler in the PC looks sooo cool! It's glowing!
next thing is an nvidis cpu?🤨
Also look into DXVK which replaces the slow DX9toDX11 Emulator the ARC Driver uses with Vulcan (as far as i understand it) which will speed up older Games.
That's DX9toDX12 iirc but yea also really want to see more benchmarks on DXVK with Arc
@@FakeMichau the problem is that some games detect it with "cheat program"
Please test cheap motherboards with expensive CPUs( especially AMD)
A320 with a 5950x
@@Hoon_Dogg yes...I want this video but sadly dawid doesn't see comments of peasants like us.🥲
Or extremely expensive motherboards with cheap CPUs and peasant RAM.
@@MrDilldock Nope that performace would be predictable...but cheap motherboard with expensive CPUs is not predictable.
The Arc A380 is available where I'm from (the Philippines) at about the same price or even less than the prices the RX 6400goes for here. I've had to dissuade, or at least inform, some people looking to buy them, driver immaturity be damned, because many of them were looking to use them with older motherboards that don't support ReBar.
THANK GOD
Your previous arc video really scared me out of arc for a while
HUGE ANIME BREASTS
Yeah but if end users have to jump through hoops to to get decent performance (not just a small bump like Nvidia and AMD) intel is doing something wrong. I'm glad they re entering the GPU market, hopefully the next generation of ARC will be better.
intel clearly need to improve their drivers for arc
This resizes my bar.
a small tipp from me, i only play on A770 and while its in a lot games actually trash (mostly caused by the not native support of dx9) but if you want every bit performance just go to performance tuning and slide the power consuming to full. the other ones can crash and cause artefact so just do the power one
You mentioned in the first video but never talked about it again: Have you made sure to manually select the Intel Arc graphics card in the windows settings as advised by Intel or did you leave it at "do whatever pleases you" aka. "auto"?
I dont think intel hd graphics has ray tracing
@@mustafacankoken1434 You never know! :D
I bought an A770 out of curiosity, been having a few issues like not waking my main monitor on boot, and my Valve Index doesn't work on it either... ReBAR works just fine and it's the first thing I put on but the other two are annoying
I wonder how they work for vr gaming, say...on an index.
I have this exact motherboard and I just checked. Yep resizeable bar off. I have a 6700xt, I've probably been leaving performance on the table.
Most ASRock boards Ive worked with also have a setting in the boot menu that has to be turned off before you can enable decoding and resize bar. Kind of annoying.
This Intel GPU is the Best GPU they have ever put out and holds lots of promise. I'm too am looking forward to where Intel goes from here. 👍
Can i use it with 550w corsair psu? Mboard is b460m pro vdh wifi....i510 gen.???
can't wait to play Arc survival evolved
For transcoding 4K video on Linux, ReBAR is also effectively 100% necessary. It's a difference of 3 frames a second and 100 frames a second.
Hey Dawid, some very smart guys made a workaround to enable resizable bar in some older platforms, how about that for a video idea?
I dont think he ever do these software tinkering stuff
Let's not torture him that much
I am an amd fan and love their processors but the affordability of intel gpa can’t be beat
Glad to see Intel are getting into the GPU game, having a third player on the market makes things better for everyone. Hopefully in the future they'll be a bit more reliable.
I was about to consider getting one until I read that it only works best for 10th gen intel cpus above... damn
I recently put together a PC for my nephew using ASRock a580 challenger but it doesn't run 1080p. I have made a total of 3 PCs and two of them are Nvidia GPUs. Can someone help?
I like how this video is super short but still has the amazing Dawid quality :D
Does anything change in fps values when using AMD CPU or is INTEL required?
please
Cyberbug 2077 is the game intel is most proud of. And intel ARC does run great on that game. I been testing the A770 on the "Z370" Aorus Gaming 7 with a 5GHz 9900K and ReBar was also behind the 4G option. It does run great though.
Cyberbug !? The game is a mastahpiece ! You are just hatter.
my Intel GPU a580 card fan for few times and then stop and then against pain is it normal aur Easyday problem please help.
I have an intel arc a380 6gb and i dont have this setting turned on yet, im using it for fortnite and just got a 180hz monitor and i was experiencing every 3 second like frame drops to 5 fps and my maximum was like 200, its very fustrating so as soon as i get home im turning this on! Thank you so much for the explanation!!!🌚
Hi, guy's I have i7 5820k and msi x99a gaming motherboard. I want to upgrade arc a750 from gtx 970. my motherboard setting has Above 4g Decoding but it hasn't Re-Size Bar support. Can I get a full a750 performance? or will I upgrade rx 6700xt?
Does the system I just bought on Amazon have rebar? ASRock H470M-HVS mobo, 10100f CPU, a380,
This card is gonna age like a fine wine
I completely agree. Interested to see how it performs a year from now.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Maybe have a video testing it and the new drivers every couple months ? Would be awesome to see how far it comes.
Dawid that X690 board looks nice where can I buy it
It's overall performance is still... Leaving a lot to be desired. GTA 5 should be running at a higher frame rate than that, with less stutters, especially given you're only running it at 1080p. My GTX 1080 can run these games similarly or better...
I have 3080 tuf b760m pg sonic and in bios ReBar is on but GPU-Z telling me opposite...weird but for 3080 doesn't matter but i was planning to change my gpus and on this pc i wanted A770 le...but win10 doing it's things and break some things again as Windows should do as it's usual and it's loved feature
Interesting how Gigabyte doesn't have staple defaults in their bios.
on behaft of the 10 people who brought ARC many thanks mate
i'm getting shit performance even with Rebar enabled. also insane framedrops n shit.
I have resizable bar enabled on my 12400/3060 rig, but it doesn't seem to benefit Nvidia cards that much. It's much more important for AMD and Intel GPU's.
Seems Nvidia blacklists games from using ReBar with the exception of a small handful of games that're whitelisted. There's a guide floating around on the internet to force enable it for everything with Nvidia Inspector though.
Techpowerup has a visual guide on what to do.
Nice video update. Even he updates the naming. From Intel Airbus A770 to Intel Arc A770. Wish he keeps saying Intel Airbus.
Does rebar also improve performance with Nvidia gpu's?
Yes only 30 series and later
wait your using software screen capture, if so thats going to effect the results.
When Intel has a good mid range gpu for 1440 gaming, i'll consider buying one.
But it will take 2 more generations before they can compete with the other 2.
At the moment Intel Arc is more expensive then Amd cards that performs better.
Intel need to lower their prices.
From what I hear these ARC cards run better in 1440 instead of 1080p.
Which one should I use HDMI or display port in arc a 750 whereas hdmi support 4k and display port 2k
I thought REbar kneecapped the mb by running at a slower pcie version for computability's sake
for a gpu for 350 bucks, im looking forward into intel gpu's
I have an Acer A380 that I got with a prebuilt for some testing, and even though DX12 runs at higher framerate DX11 runs so much smoother. The average fps is 30% less with DX11 but the 0.1% lows are (I kid you not) 419% better
419%? Almost nice.
This made a HUGE difference for the stuttering. Can't understand why you say the other way several times in the video.
this prompted me to check and find out that my 3070 didn't have the ReBAR fw installed. just updated, and things are already better
Honestly, since where I live a 40 series costs more than an entirely new, mid range PC build... I think I'd rather take the performance issues of Intel even with ReBAR off over... That.
i do have RTX 3060 TI 1080p DX 12 High Rebar on and i played the training thing i got about 170 to 140 fps but then when i joined a server with players i dropped from 140 to 70 fps and it start moving up and down never got up to 100 fps so that means i have shit rtx 3060 ti
I tried turning on bar and my drives disappeared from my bios..
Turned bar off drives show back up.
I'm so baffled by this.
*sigh* Oh Dawid, you silly goose.
You fixed one problem but missed yet another. A770 in 1080P is half the performance as 1440P.
I know, it's counter-intuitive, but for whatever reason the "sweet spot" for Arc is 1440P, with 4k performance still being equal to or greater than 1080P.
Most GPUs have a linear negative correlation, meaning highest performance in lower resolution with larger resolutions correlated to lower performance.
Arc's distribution is closer to a bell curve: lower low-resolution performance that peaks at 1440P before beginning to drop again as resolutions exceed 1440P.
Hope this helps...I've been testing the crap out of this card since I got one a week after launch. It's kinda crap if you try to run 1080P so Arc needs a 1440P or 3k panel at minimum
Once you find that sweet spot and tweak the sliders in Arc Control, this thing puts up one hell of a fight.
@El Cactuar 1920x1080: 1080P FHD
2560x1440: 1440P 2K QHD
2880x1620: 3K UHD
3840x2160: 4K UHD
(Assuming 16:9 aspect ratio)
So rebar is it dependent on the motherboard and the CPU? So I'd be in trouble if the CPU supports it but the motherboard does not? Or do all motherboards support
What's up with not running REBAR on all the games you reviewed with it off? Not just BFV and GTAV
gtav is running through another layer and will never run amazingly on ARC. You need to use DXVK to translate that older title into vulkan. It's a better compatbility layer than translating it to dx12 that the drivers do currently.
My PC needs updated drives to GPT format, then I prolly can turn on rebar, cus right now since its not GPT format, if I turn on rebar, I won't be able to boot into windows.
I love the Arc´s. That ends up in 2x 770´s and 2x750´s in my Supercomputer. :-D
wait until you get to games like GTA 4, and running DXVK on windows to get 100fps average.
I have an Intel A750 installed in a system which doesn't support Resizable BAR, which is nice. I have another system that does support it but the video card (an RTX 2080ti) doesn't support it so now I don't know what to do. The 2080ti system is custom water cooled and the Intel system isn't. Also, the 2080ti is paired with m i7 11700k while the ARC gpu is paired with an i& 7700K.
I mean I would switch the two if it where me. The 7700k should be able to keep up with the 2080ti. I have the 11700k also and I'm running a 30 dollar vetroo v5 air cooler and its fine.
What song did you use in this video, It sounds like its cut and looped at the end, I have heard this song in the outro of every single video of one of my favorite channels, and that song sings about him and his channel. Did you steal this song? 🤔🤨
I'll bet the intel UI folks know next to nothing about driver development and so they might as well be working on the UI for ARC software.
Im running a 12gb rtx3080 on an i7 7700k so dont even have access to resizable bar for my gpu and i doubt it would barely do anything for me D:
Ah, I get it. It's a way to tank older hardware so it performs badly and tries to force you to buy new hardware. The usual evil that will eventually result in people boiling water on a pan for entertainment.
If they can keep making the drivers to get better and better this will do very well except the A380 (is it) that's a pointless card
Re-Bar is a must for Intel's Arc GPUs.
Dawid, do you still have the A770 GPU and would you consider selling it to me?
decent vga card for a very decent price! GG Intel!!
"How many do we have to teach you this lesson old man" buy the rx 6600m from aliexpress
Life hack: Turning on your Graphics card increases your fps.
aw yes, gigabyte mb bios. literally cooked my windows boot and had to reinstall windows when trying to enable rebar, what a great company! ( some of that may had been my fault though ;) )
@n n ya the real issue was how the boot partition was setup and trying to convert it broke something. I just thought it was funny cause i had the same issue finding rebar in gigabyte bios and that was the start of me frying my win10. Made me upgrade to win11 with rebar though so silver lining?
Imagine releasing GPU that is absolutely gimped by ONE setting a LOT of people can't even turn on. lmao intel
Ryzen 5 2400G with Intel arc a770?
Dawid it is time to do it again because the new drivers gotten much better and compare it with 3070 and 4070 and maybe and an amd card too
That card suck, what else can one say. Get 4060.
Rebar is what you put into concrete for structural integrity. They need to rename this.
Rebar is what you turn on for ARC GPU for structural integrity.
I mean technically it is Resizeable Bar, but you know people, lazy and always making shortening na,es or making acronyms.