I don't think they have a choice. I doubt Intel could make a GPU that competes with the 7900XTX & the 4080 even if they wanted to and at whatever price. Just haven't been in the industry for long enough, they have some catching up to do first.
I've honestly been seeing intel cpus that are equal or better in terms of performance of ryzen cpus at a lower price. 13600k comes to mind, but 12th gen is pretty good too in price
@@jatinmarcob2128 yeah amd cpu's used to be a lot more budget friendly but now a days you're right, they are around the same price. I just build my first computer with with Intel. :P
@@trev119 Funny enough my first pc build is going to a 6700xt with a 12600k so I can upgrade to another gpu in the future cause of the sale going on with amd 6000 cards rn. Even then it'll last me like 5 years at the very least before I actually need to upgrade to another gpu
i really hope intel keeps trucking and doesn't cancel arc. as a first attempt, this is really impressive, and i'm really hopeful for future generations of ARC cards.
They almost definitely have a few years of cards in the pipeline. I’m hopeful about them being a real contender (especially if they start fabbing them in the US) but for now, idk. Maybe if there’s a great deal
I can confirm that they were already working on 3rd gen cards like 2 months ago, probably for longer than that. But really it's the software that needs work. The hardware is already great.
The 750 is reasonably inexpensive right now and the new driver updates have made a HUGE improvement in games. If you’re building for kids, teens or anyone that isn’t using an FPS counter it can be a very good budget priced card.
same i have a trash laptop means seriously an i3 7100U and a UHU graphics with 12 gigs of ram and a good sdd of 3.5 gigs with 512 gb storage and i play gta 4 i get around 15-21 fps and i am happy cuz atleast i could complete missions only that mission name strip to kill or somethin was areal terrible @@brognog1145
A770 16GB for $349 is a damn good offer for scientific compute with OpenCL where you need the VRAM. 16GB has never been cheaper, and for that price the A770 has zero competition in the market. Radeon VII was 2x that price. Looking forward to get more VRAM on the cheap!
@@st0nedpenguin not really. OpenCL runs on any GPU from the last 10 years, and it's just as fast as CUDA on Nvidia hardware. See the CFD project on my UA-cam channel where I crush compute records on AMD Instinct MI250's and Nvidia A100's with OpenCL.
I think there’s loads of other positives, XeSS is incredibly good vs DLSS, the Drivers are already yielding massive improvements, the RT performance beats AMD and matches the 3060, aesthetically they look really nice, the A770 is by far the cheapest 16gb GPU for rendering on a budget
Some video recommendations: To the editing staff: Can you please briefly highlight/flash/outline the card being reviewed when you put up the bar chart? This can help quickly orient the audience to what to look for. To the lab staff: Can you also test these cards for non-gaming uses? Namly can it handle being fully/over loaded with monitors? Does it crash if you unplug/replug the monitors (as when someone is troubleshooting their setup)? How does this work with folding@home or boinc@home projects?
I'd also like to see how it handles living with a green or red GPU in the same system. A-series sounds like a great secondary card for extra monitors and encoding features so I'm curious how well it acts along side someone else's gpu. My old workstation had a 1060 along side the built-in 4790k iGPU and it was a great way to get 2 more monitors. Hopefully Intel's big GPUs are similarly well-behaved.
One thing I like is the tighter, sleeker form factor. Not bulky design. It would be really good for smaller cases especially if building your own system.
I'm looking to update my workstation / network render machine. A 13600K and A770 16GB might be the route I go down for the next gen build if I can't find a similarly priced modern 16GB GPU.
@@xmasterosu Having better specs on paper doesn't automatically translate into better performance via driver improvements. I think its more fair to expect some minor performance improvements over time like AMD's GCN architecture, rather than expecting some huge driver drop that massively improves performance in the future.
Thing is, the bug reports and "real world issues" are only going to come in [en masse] once people actually buy this GPU, which is also the reason why a lot of people are apprehensive in the first place. It's kinda stuck until a lot of people take that leap of faith and just get one and roll with the punches.
I think most people knew the first gen would be a rocky start. But we need to support them. 3's a crowd in price rigging and this is what the market needs
"But we need to support them" LOL yes, we should all absolutely 'support' the multi-billion globalist corporation that just doesn't even care about you at all.
@@clitmint not a company support just the product if they don´t succeed it can be a problem for end user because ngreedia and amd just get rid of competition and start fight again to each other price vs performance and i am really happy to have something between right price for right performance intel is more universal like nvidia which comes in right time before new RX comes out because streamers these cards may consider against overpriced nvidia but don´t have so good performance in amd titles or just for non professional and home video editors just like i am or science and AI computing like i am so i go order a770 and try it myself. i am not defending intel but i don´t want do condemn new product before try it. if it will be a bad experience then i will tell that it is bad do not buy it
@@theanglerfish Regardless how well their products perform (thanks in large part to microsoft - look into that one), imagine actually still giving your hard earned cash to a company that took the piss out of its user base for a long time, offering bare minimum upgrades to their chips while still charging an ultra premium, all because they had the name recognition to do so. You naturally understand the first gen on a new fab is going to cost a ton, but each new revision is cheaper for them, and in turn, is supposed to be cheaper for the end users. It isn't, as we can all see. It's nothing but the purest of greed. They literally never gave any of you any breaks at all. Making you buy new boards for their "new" chips, that were still on the exact same fab, but with tweaks LOL They used and abused their loyal fans, who in turn, suckered in, and then kept suckering people with their glowing reviews, most of which were put up by paid shills. The big tech-tubers love that intel gravy train, and don't want their free intel parts and trinkets to ever stop flowing.
Suggestion: when making charts keep the color scheme the same for teams. You started with green for Nvidia and blue for Intel. And then blue was I believe avg fps against red and yellow. Considering it's a video and we would have to pause every time you show something to look at it, it would be great if you could make the charts a bit more consistent and digestible for dummies non chart nerds like myself. They're quite simple which is great, but could be improved upon with some coherence. Or release them as images somewhere else so we can look at them separately. Either way thanks. Glad Arc isn't that bad. But I wonder for the 3 and 5 series performance. I also still have doubts if ALL arc require 12th Gen or select ryzen chips or that was just for the 7 series (maybe you say this on video but copying message on mobile is bugged and I can't save it to keep watching).
They have released many GPUs in the past, as separate chips on the mainboard, as separate cards and integrated into their CPUs. However, they were rarely competitive.
@@Incoming1983 let's be serious it is not competitive folks.....stop the BS (directed at Linus). Competitive means the current meta...enter RDNA and 4000 series - that puts intel two generations behind...
@@jonnymakers9560 Competitive means just what it means. Current meta doesn't really matter unless it's old tech. It's competitive in the lower end market simply on price point.
@@jonnymakers9560 that is totally okay???? it's competitive at its performance range. It does not have to be an industry leader to be competitive. Not everyone needs the latest and greatest performace. A lot of gamers if not most play the same few games regularly anyway.
@@BusinessWolf1 Call of duty has 100 + MILLION players and tens of thousands of streamers..they are 144 res with 170FPS all max settings. It makes a huge difference to most gamers
I just picked up an A750 today for a new PC build (paired with an i5 13600K). Not a super hardcore gamer, so I gave it a shot for basically the reasons you offered at the end. We’ll see how it goes!
Really hope Intel steps up the competition and knocks Nvidia's ego down. I'm sick and tired of it acting like a monopoly because there's no real competition. GPUs costing as much as a whole rig is unacceptable
As an Arch btw Linux user, using the latest and greatest kernel is an expectation not a hindrance. I definitely want to get my hands on the A770 Limited Edition if only so I can add support for its lighting in OpenRGB, but also because Intel has a pretty solid iGPU driver on Linux already so I have high hopes for what this card is capable on that driver stack.
@@SomeNameHere Well, openGL itself is the problem, when compared to DirectX it loses really bad, and let's just not talk about Vulkan, but it is better to use in specific cases against DirectX, still it lacks a lot compared to it.
@@SomeNameHere The Phoronix article about it mentions that it performs really well with openGL right now, Vulkan is still missing some features like raytracing but things should be stable by next year. Funny how the whole DX9/11 thing doesn't matter at all on Linux since its getting wrapped to Vulkan anyway.
@@DrakyHRT I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss OpenGL. A big part of the issue is OpenGL implementations on Windows tend to be pretty subpar. AMD's OpenGL implementation is terrible on Windows. NVIDIA's is pretty solid on both platforms. Mesa's OpenGL implementation for AMD on Linux is much better than the official Windows implementation. Intel's OpenGL on Linux is also Mesa and there are a lot of shared optimizations among Mesa/Gallium3D drivers, plus Mesa also has Zink (OpenGL-on-Vulkan) which has been making pretty good strides in performance too. Even on Windows, I have no doubt that a D3D9 to DX12 wrapper could work well, it's just a matter of implementation. DXVK and VKD3D have been doing the 3D API wrapper thing pretty well for a while now.
the Intel iGPU drivers on linux are soo far ahead of their windows counterpart. It doesn't even support Direct mode for VR rendering on windows at all, so ironically the only way for me to play beatsaber on my laptop is on linux, running through Proton. I'm really interested to see how Arc performs in VR, both on Windows and on Linux too.
I've had mine for about 4 months now and it's been great. Had some serious teething issues at first, but the driver updates have all been amazing. Only thing I wish is that XeSS was supported more.
It so weird that people keep saying they want competition, then turn around and root for the other monopoly manufacturer in the space. An oligopoly isn't better than a monopoly. It just a different flavor of dystopian. Its like rooting for the chocolate shit sundae to outperform the vanilla shit sundae and the strawberry shit sundae. No matter how much "competition" that's going on between them, the end user still ends up eating shit.
By looking at the transistor count and process node there is very high probability that in a year or two as Intel optimize and stabilize their driver stack they will extract excellent performance from ARC. Edit: bunch of additional points based on below replies => Yes Game engines also will be optimized for ARC as time goes. This is classic chicken egg problem. Game engine devs can't spend time until there is at least average ARC customers. => Being a software dev I'm very much aware about how complex graphics driver stack can be. I would definitely give credit to Intel of bringing at least this level of stability for the brand new product which is directly trying to bite 3070 territory. =>Doesn't matter how much money u through at driver development teams it's gonna take its time to stabilize. This is time problem not a money problem. => Nvidia and AMD will also move up but who said Intel won't move up. Once their driver stack is solid launching new stable products will be lot easier for them.
By that time low-end Lovelace and RDNA3 will be on the market with 50-100% more performance than current gen. Hopefully Intel's next gen will be able to combine more powerful hardware with mature drivers, if it ever comes to existance.
@@mayurvashishth1484 It obviously isn't an architectural problem the cards run great in a lot of games. I think with 6 more months of driver updates and fixing the ARC software will make them beat out all of the low end 3000 series cards .
@@mayurvashishth1484 No those people are morons it was similar for amd it took them years to get max performance out of cards from years ago like the rx580 and vega cards. But here is what is commendable by intel they at least told everyone what to expect unlike amd.
Lets be honest, given the complexity of entering this space, we have to give credit to just how stable the drivers are and how well this thing seems to perform on their very first try. I really really hope they come out with a second generation that fixes a lot of the issues mentioned. It really seems to me like they have built a card for the future and not the past, which could mean over time it'll really become amazing
@@DarkP1 though RT is still at unplayable FPS and from all the comparison I saw FSR2 looks far better at both performance and quality comparing to XeSS. (Death Stranding support both)
I guess I'm the technical type? Picked up the 16gb ARK A770 the other day. (Uprading my trusty 7 year old Pascal) I'm very impressed with the latest 4148 driver so far. (Stable) Here's hoping for the best on cheap budget!
@@mattfantastic9969 Yes they could, look at the price they just released them at. A year ago today a 3060 would be costing $500+, more like $600 if you want me to be realistic. If you take the A750 at $289, and a 3060 at $500, and lets even say that it was only 1/2 of the performance in the game you play. That's still better than waiting for like 2 months before getting your 3060 at $500 assuming you could even find one in stock at that price. You'll be able to game for an entire 2 months and since you spent less money on gpu you could upgrade another pc part or just save your money. Also this is their first time, we gotta cut them some slack, I don't want them to give up their arc gpus because of all the hate. Even ltt said to support them in any way you can so they'll keep improving and become a real competitor
@@susnojutsu2525 it seems you haven't been following the state of the gpu market in the last three years. This isn't to diss intel for their first attempt, the demand was simply bigger than what manufacturers would offer, with scalpers and especially crypro miners, who were quite a lot and were willing to pay any price. Any sane company with profit as a goal would not miss such chance to raise their prices, without the need to increase their production. If intel joined during these times, they would either absorb part of the demand initially and run out of stock, or most likely upcharge for their gpu like the competition
So far it can do a lot of media encoding. Slowly testing with everything else but it's relatively impressive. Haven't messed with Plex yet with it but have been using it for transcoding and streaming.
Well yeah, super computers are just big computers with a bunch of smaller computers all funneling singular tasks through each other at the same time. So why wouldn't home PC's do the same eventually?
@@victorkreig6089 something something not many apps can make use of multicores that well, and even many of the ones that do, don't make that big of a use of all of the many cores that we even have in today's consumer cpus, let alone tomorrow's. But yes, eventually, maybe, we can only hope. As it stands rn, no one's able to think of a practical way to horizontally scale GPUs for gaming for example, let alone implement it, and even though the case is better for CPU cores, not by that much in reality, so an infinitely powerful (+more cores/gpus = +more fps) PC right now is more limited by software than hardware. ok ok i started just replying to you and i went somewhere else ik xD
@@victorkreig6089 Because there’s comes a point where it’s not a matter of if it can, and rather a matter of it it needs to. Sure, you could have a supercomputer in your home, but you don’t need 500 terabytes of memory to run CS:GO.
Yes I bought me a acer arc a770 BiFrosty > I could not afford it since i been out of work for over 1 yr But i want intel to do very well in the industry .Oh did i mention i have a hernia and need a operation for the last 1yr and a half. Anyway a bought me 1 while i could. I am 56 and still game like a teen. LOVE it BABY
I don't game much, but seeing the great performance of VEAI and having AV1 encoding is definitely enticing to buy. If Plex can also support HW encoding on an ARC card, that would be awesome.
@@mackdaddypeypey1 RTX 3060 came out February 2021 and good luck getting it for the first couple of months if not a year for anything short of a ridiculous amount. To this day it’s still not MSRP.
@@aidan8533-i1t Eliminating thick side plates able to support the crimping and tearing effect of screws means these cards are thinner and thus fit within 2 slots and not 2.10 slots which forces 3 slots of real estate on the motherboard. Thin side panels means double-sided tape and that is unfortunate because I also like to open up video cards from time to time to clean out any dust that gets inside.
@Marlon Arancibia Yes, thanx for the suggestion. But the double=sided tape might not work if I bent that thin metal rear shield too much when I took it off. That's the worrisome part of taking something off that is glued or taped.
@@XxAtomic646xX i doubt they would release something that costs more and performs worse than the newer gen cpus as their first release if they decide to start making cpus
I really wish they had true support for dx9 through 11. The vast majority of titles are there, and it would be a far more compelling option if they had it.
@Fashinqu A. That's effectively what they've doing, only it's d3d9->dx12 instead of Vulkan. I'm curious about the performance of Gallium-Nine, at least on AMD it's still quite a lot faster than DXVK, and with no CPU overhead.
@Fashinqu A. although its no excuse for their incompetence for not properly implementing older dx 12< support as , not all games properly support dxvk . It'd be really interesting to see how the performance skyrockets in older titles .
Linus also pointed out that AMD had followed that path too by constantly improving their older cards with newer drivers that would increase performance. Eventually, performance on one AMD card improved as much as 92% over the oiginal drivers. Now, if Intel Arc 380/770 could also have the same type of performance gains over their lifespan just from driver improvements, that would be great.
@@animejanai4657 especially given that Intel is relatively new to this so they’re learning. They did hire on someone from amd to help develop these cards btw
And less adoption of proprietary CUDA and D3D over OpenCL and Vulkan would be nice as well. But junior devs just go for the most proprietary thing to study for their certs and skip open source.
Honestly at it’s price point it’s still very compelling. Back in my day you could build a whole high end functional PC for under 1,000 dollars. Nvidia has gotten out of control with their pricing and a third option is sorely needed. Ten to fifteen years ago if you told someone you paid over 1,000 dollars for a video card they’d probably laugh because it’s absolutely absurd. It’s still absurd it’s just that people have grown to accept it for some reason.
Ten to fifteen years ago yo would need to count for inflation too though. That's at least 40% more which you'd pay now, just through the insane inflation during the last years. But still you are totally right 1000USD for an video card is just insane, who even buys that?
@@codykensington1424 My first build had an AMD/ATI Radeon 3870 and that card was maybe 250 dollars when it was brand new for a high end card. High end cards are now quadrupled in price. There’s honestly little excuse for it. I know inflation exists but it’s not caused anything else to quadruple in price.
C'mon, you can still build a high end PC today from scratch and brand new parts under 1000. Midrange cards are plenty powerful to play 90% of new games in high settings, most people really won't miss the extreme frame rates and ultra settings.
At its price point? It’s cost per frame is terrible. A 6650xt is more powerful, $20 more and established drivers. These cards are to expensive if you play any older game. The direct x9 support is terrible.
I decided to build a pc with the new ARC770 limited edition GPU. When I saw what Intel’s mission was, I had to support them. I always like it when a company offers affordable products that compete. Btw, I decided on this before I saw this video. Thanks for being super informative (for what you can tell us). I appreciate it, LTT!
If there is a translation layer for older renderers like directx9 or 11, you will not get much performence. If you play games on directx12, it put nvidia and amd(Only legend know it was known as ati) to Shame. To Shame! You can get so much more frames for newer games and you will get av1 hardware acceleration! This feature is found in 800 to 900$ graphics card.
Given that Nvidia and AMD are more focused on the mid-high to high end, Intel 'accidentally' filled the low end with an impressive attack at the mid range. I hope Intel dominates the low-mid tier with this generation. I also hope they don't give up. There's massive potential here and it has me excited for what they might have for their "2nd gen".
@@PitH0und I didn't say "AMD cards are mid-high end". I said "AMD [is] more focused on the mid-high to high end". It's literally right there in plain text. I never said that the lower tier cards don't exist. They just aren't AMD's priority.
@@PitH0und yesterday bought an rx6700, 280$ and it doesn't develop as an mid-high, it develops as a fucking beast in every single game. Paired with r5 5500 and 32gb
@@marianodelcampo1025 I run the 6800 XT at 2k paired with a 5600X using SAM. I completely demolish games getting upwards of 40fps higher than the benchmarks I found at launch. Anyone running a 3000 series should know that they're cards SUCK without DLSS and RTX to pad their numbers. Any native resolution above 2k is going to run better on an AMD card. The media tried to tell everyone the 6700 XT would be weaker than a 2080. I have two friends with the 6700XT and it dominates my lil bros 2080 in every title. I will never go back to Nvidia so long as they rely on gimmicks.
The 6.0 kernel was just released as the newest stable version in the last few days, so we'll see how the drivers are doing in Linux soon. It's unfortunate that it will probably take them a while to get up to snuff. I wonder how performance will be on a system where DirectX is always through a translation layer. Seems like it might be a while before we have a definitive answer for that. It will of course take time for releases of stable distributions that start out with a 6.0 kernel to be the norm. Updating the kernel to 6.0 in these distributions may have its pitfalls. However, rolling releases should start having the 6.0 kernel fairly soon, so something like Arch or Manjaro may see at least some kind of support within a fairly short time period.
From my experience using an RTX 370 on Fedora Linux for gaming bs Steam Proton performance is on par with running natively on Windows and for some games like Shadow of Mordor and Universe Sandbox it runs faster with proton than the native OpenGL versions. If the same low performance overhead is maintained with ARC it could outperform Windows in dx11 and older titles by translating it to Vulkan.
dxvk (what proton uses for dx9-12 -> vulkan) is FAST (so fast that the fallout new vegas modding guide strongly recommends using it over the native dx9). it’s nearly always as good or better than the native windows implementation. as long as intel’s linux vulkan drivers are up to scratch with amd/nvidia’s (not a particularly high bar) performance should be fantastic. less likely is intel providing full support for their extra features (XeSS etc.) id also love to see how the arc gpus fare over thunderbolt 3 as an egpu since i don’t think ReBAR is great like that.
@@junethefirst Isn't Intel using D3D9On12 for DirectX 9? It's a translation layer made by Microsoft similar to DXVK and vkd3d that translates DX9 calls to DX12. Translation layers are just the way to go now.
@@radiish1239 afaik Intel's vulkan drivers ANV in the mesa stack are quite good, being in the mesa stack and under development for new vulkan versions the moment Khronos released vulkan 1.0.
This was my thought. I will wait until seeing more updates on this. But it's also true that we as consumers need to be more cognizant of the market. If we dont want companies to fuck us over we should also stop being the people who make these companies fuck us over. I mean companies arent morale or anything, they just go for money and if they see they can go up with prices without any losses then they will keep doing it. It is the same with video games. I think it's something that need to be taught in school. Markets are working fine, it's just the people who buy arent aware that they have it in their hands to make markets more competetive or monopolize it.
Yes it will, but by that time the Used Market will be flooded while the New Cards will be getting discounts. And the next-gen cards after would be getting ready for release. The point is always be careful about "future-proofing" your system. Sure there's certain things you should do, but the gist is paying more today for a promise tomorrow rarely works out. With all that said, Intel stuffed up their opportunity. They needed to release this in 2019 and made on their own favs. That way it would have been competitive performance wise against the RDNA-1 and RTX-20 cards. Then it would've been competitive during the 2020-2022 run. Intel lost the chance to make alot of money. And in 2023 they could've been competitive value-wise. The other big point, is that they could have shifted Intel-Foundry to focus primarily on GPU, SSD, RAM, Motherboard manufacturing and also external chip orders. While their more crucial products could have been outsourced to the technically superior TSMC-Node to stay competitive. Imagine their Core-i7 and Core-i9 chips easily surpassing Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 processors. While their Core-i3 and Core-i5 could still be built inhouse and offer strong value-for-money. Big wasted opportunity there.
The most appealing part is it's focus on the AI. AI upscaling will dominate the market very soon and intel is one step ahead. They know that and that's why they are making such a bold investment.
Intel is actively working on older versions of Direct X. Recently they dropped an update that basically doubled framerates for Direct X 9, which includes games like Team Fortress 2. It'll take some time, but it appears they're making sure the DX12 is working well (which currently, it looks fantastic) and they're working their way backwards updating their drivers to better function in older DX levels. I hope they keep it up, cause 3 options instead of 2 is very good for the consumer!
I said this when they announced they were doing cards. I am absolutely buying one to put in my 12700K build. I want them to succeed, so AMD and Nvidia have competition.
Respect. I was looking into building a PC last week and saw how ridiculous the prices are for nvidea cards. I think I will give those cards a 6-8 month maturity period and then seriously consider getting one myself
Man these will fly with budget builds. I hope intel puts a sizable dent into the GPU market so that Nvidia and AMD will get their heads out of their arses
If they fit the budget builds they have basically done what they have to do. Budget builds are the majority of builds after all. I never thought I'd say this but I do hope Intel succeed with this.
Noooo i just bought a shit ton of nividia stock. I also bought it 3 years ago for 75 a share and sold between 285 and sold the last at 310. Now I just bought again at 125 and it should hit 250 by next summer to q4 2023
Why would they? On average they are horrible cards. They also consume between 40-50Watt in idle, vs competition 4-7W. Not to mention generally higher power consumption than the competition. Or of course the fact that in older titles they are absolutely atrocious, beaten even by a 10 year old product (as seen above in CS:GO) RX 6600 XT/6650XT/6700 non xt/ 6700XT are all WAAAAAY better buys than ARC. They are decent enough for Intel's entry into GPU market, but not even close to be a good buy at their current prices. When going by average performance, A770 should top out at 250$, not 350$. As Linus acknowledged in the video - Intel claimed that they will price those cards on their DX
Honestly the arc gpu’s are so sleek and subtle. Decent performance and a great price point. I’m definitely buying a 2nd gen card if they keep that up..
@@deokureta108 I'm actually considering buying one rn, I am a bit worried about the performance in the older games though but its most probably going to be used for video editing and light gaming
@@SpartanArmy117 It would have been odd a few years ago but after the gpu prices during the supply chain shortage a price cut of 50-60 bucks seems huge now
@@riyasatmushfiqrahman3240 You'd be wasting money, cause you could find an RX 6650xt which outperforms the 6600xt and A770 for about the same price as the A770.
I’m honestly impressed with Intel’s first attempt at a GPU lineup. It does seem like Alchemist is essentially their beta test, but I think they’ll get up to speed by the Battlemage or Celestial series. I’d be interested in doing an all Intel custom rig with blue and white RGB lighting when it’s time to upgrade if they can match their competitors at that time.
Yeah it's much better start than first AMD RDNA1 - remember that nigthmare with drivers, stability? Also fun fact RT performance here is better than 6700XT lol...
@@serrapi_ Actually the Linux crowd should be cheering over Intel making discrete GPU market, their driver stack makes AMD look like Nvidia by comparison.
@@TheFriendlyInvader I still think its too early to make any assumptions. I expect basic desktop support to be on par with their iGPU drivers. But gaming and compute support are still big unknowns at this point.
Well if even 10% of LTT subscribers buy ARC Alchemist cards & laptops then Intel's already guaranteed 1.5 Million in sales. Maybe double that to 3 Million if 1% of every other TechTuber's subscriberbase buys Alchemist.
I certainly hope they do at least well enough to make a (hopeful) comeback next gen, and while still maintaining lower pricing. Price competition is a must (on the CPU-side as well, really), because everything is prohibitively priced at the moment.
They'll probably have prebuilts with these cards inside. So I think they'll be fine. Also, this might be the first time in like 5 years that a GPU at this point isn't the same performance as an RX 580.
Transparency? Intel completely ignored the existence of AMD in all their presentation regarding this GPU. Don't fall for this, Intel still a corporation with gimmicks like AMD and Nvidia.
@@LiThiuMElectro (TL;DR is below) That's because AMD also has a better value for money than Nvidia and Intel is just one of them trying to take on them and not to mention compete with them, it doesn't make them greedy, and focusing on Nvidia also means that Intel with more maturity will manage to match them and beat AMD's counterpart in Productivity (which already did) and I'm sure they are not ashamed to say that in their presentation at any point and also helps them mature in other areas like XeSS because Nvidia leads in DLSS and in both Drivers and Productivity so Intel taking on them will benefit them for when they eventually. so kind of a TL;DR: Just because Intel didn't compare them to AMD gpus doesn't mean they are suddenly greedy in their GPU Division, and it also benefits them to target Nvidia (3060 in this case) because with Maturity, they can eventually beat AMD for gaming and Match Nvidia with Productivity, Super Sampling and Gaming. Not to mention competition also brings lower prices and more choices. Also Intel has compared to AMD in their cpus if shamely and unfairly but also had the audacity to compare their 13900K to 5800X3D even if again the same way and as others said, Transparency in their GPU does benefit Intel alot with the community not to mention linux support as well benefiting the community surrounding it if vague but hopefully changes, if they actually get greedy in their GPU Division and turns into OnePlus all over again, we drop them out
Not in the market for a high-end GPU, but I'm really excited to see what ARC and AMD's new offerings bring to the table. Finally seems like it's starting to get exciting again.
Can we all appreciate one thing here.... Intel honesty is amazing in this Arc launch, the way they showed the good and bad games, they way they say don't buy our GPU if you don't have a rebar CPU, the way they talk about difficulties they facing in drivers......... Something I didn't see Nvidia or AMD do other than showing best case scenario like up to 4X, or 50% better that are only in one title and don't show the bad ones lol
I will be honest, I have been a bit miffed with the driver issue and other problems reported, (Gamers Nexus review does a great job addressing these), that I have decided not to buy a A770. I wanted a month to finalize my build, waiting for these reviews specifically. With that, I like what you said. Well stated! I am not likely to buy one, sadly. I really like their design and possibilities but in all honesty, I just want to play some games and not worry about drivers, etc.
I bought an A770 16gb for a Christmas build for my daughter. I’m really impressed almost no issues so far. I don’t really play any direct x 11 or under games. The RGB software will crash my computer occasionally, but besides that no issues whatsoever in its current state
I'm willing to give ARC GPUs a go when they launch, I did the same when swapping from a 2060 to an RX 6600 just out of curiosity. Plus unlike Nvidia and AMD it is within my budget with seemingly great performance. Glad we've got red team, green team and finally blue team in the market for the true RGB experience
So with these cards primarily targeting DX12 and Vulkan, Id love to see some DXVK and VK3D comparisons. These could be well-valued future Linux gaming cards .
Yeah I was thinking the same hopefully someone will put out review. Anyway for us running a rolling release of Linux, Linux 6.0 is now! Even people on none rolling releases most likely have options for installing mainline kernels. I use Arch btw. :p
Forgive my ignorance, but could Intel not just get their shit together and add native DX9-11 support? I don't know about everyone else, but old games are 99% of my library, so a card that can't make them run even faster is a card I don't see a point in buying.
Really, it was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard older DX titles were not so good on ARC. I feel the Linux community would make a large portion of customers buying Intel GPUs.
These GPUs in a few years after some driver updates are going to be comparable monsters I think. Especially once Intel adds native DX9 through DX11 support to their drivers.
I have an Intel Arc A770 16Gb when it first came out ,I knew about drivers and bugs in the software but as time as gone on they are getting better and better and I am very happy with it for the price.
Glad to have a third player in the game that actually looks compelling for once. Not just the hardware side, but I'm sure once drives & other features like XeSS mature, we can finally get more cross-platform collaboration instead of feeling like we have to stick with one proprietary solution (e.g. FSR, DLSS). Once all the wrinkles are ironed out I really want to see how the whole lineup performs, this is really impressive for a first-time outing.
@@MadandMajorGaming0 DirectX Vulkan, basically the technology that powers proton on Linux. Is actually been available for windows as well, and some games actually benefit from it. Unfortunately it's seldomly used on the windows side.
Definitely, Linux native OpenGL games get obliterated by their Windows-Proton versions. A good choice if Valve decides to go with full-blown consoles again
This. I would buy it instantly(at a price close to msrp of course) if it ran games great on linux with dxvk and if they continue to support linux because fuck w11.
Honestly, I think that Intel has done a great job so far with their GPUs, though they're not as good as the competitors, at such a low price I'm pretty sure they beat out everyone, to be honest. Not to mention this was literally their first time making a stand-alone GPU, I think that there's a lot of promise in these new cards.
Don't care if they're as good, they just need to be competently in a relatively decent range. Because if they are then only idiots would opt to keep paying nvidia(granted that wont even be an option much longer since the 4k series is the last series) stupid prices when you could get a pretty good card for half the price. Not even AMD phobia will be able to prop those jackoffs at nvidia up anymore
For a first gen....its actually pretty solid thing. The community has the chance to support some actual glimpse of competition...let's see if they follow through
I am super excited that Intel is getting in the game and having to start on the back foot isn't necessarily a bad thing. This may seem trivial but the thing I am most excited about with Arc at least for now is the fact that they were able to maintain the two slot design. I am so tired of not being able to use the vertical amount option in my PC case because new cards are getting too thick
I call this a good first attempt by Intel. Not really expecting them to suddenly came out on top but within the expectations of what the card can offer atm. But as a solid start it's a decent card. I hope things get better with second gen Intel and I hope first gen gets better driver support in the future.
They are also at least trying to be price competitive for the performance on offer. It does seem kind of insane that dozens of the top games by player base are still running on graphics APIs from a decade or more ago.
@@lasskinn474 new director, new vision, new direction, new start. What you expect them to jump the gun after 20 years with different CEOs? Still better than duonoply.
@@shadowsniper708 I think that nvidia cards getting cheaper can only happen if power consumption goes way down, and I think nvidia has to have that power consumption to have an edge on amd this year (rdna 3). And if people don't buy the expensive ones… But people do. I wanna see lovelace performance under a mucn lower power target, that's where the money's at.
@Spots Corner I'd advise to wait a few months, see the where the market settles after rdna3, but if the a770 works for you and you need a gpu now for work, go for it
Please do a Plex transcoding benchmark for us. A lot of us are excited to see what these larger cards can do with QuickSync, especially considering that QuickSync does H265/HEVC to h264 much better than nVidia. You’ll have to do the keylase patch on the 3060 machine to ensure an apples to apples comparison, but I would be jazzed to see Intel Arc doing QuickSync on a more powerful card.
My understanding is that Plex hasn't been updated yet to use these GPUs. I agree that it would be great for Plex, but I don't think Plex is able to use these yet (despite similar architectures).
Given its linux support will have no backport, and most users run plex on linux, might be a bit. Linux Kernel 6.0 arrived few days ago, and isnt going to be LTS. It usually takes 6-8 months before we see a kernel drop an LTS version that is picked up by a major distro, usually Debian or Ubuntu. As Linus said, its like releasing new hardware RIGHT NOW for Windows 12, and Windows 12 only.
@@n0k0m3 Have you seen any forums posts confirming that it does work? I read one that said it isn’t currently working despite the similar architectures and features. It sounded like the plex team was blaming Intel for not having completely functional drivers, which were needed by Plex to run. It was only one post but it was the only one I could find about someone actually trying an alchemist card in Windows and it failed. Let me know if someone has it running though because that would be great!!!
I wonder how the DX11/DX9 performance would look if DXVK were used. It's what we use with Wine/Proton on Linux to play DX11/DX9 games, but it is actually a regular DLL and *should* work on Windows too.
That would be interesting. I suppose we could get some theoretical numbers once someone is able to get linux up and running with an A770 (after the kernel 6 and other driver hurdles are overcome)
I feel like DXVK and D9VK would improve performance dramatically; instead of emulation, the system would translate graphics calls like WINE translates system calls.
It has to do better. My mind went straight to that when they said its gonna be emulating DX9. Too bad, Intel is gonna support Kernel 6.0 and above though so clearly it could not be tested. Or it didnt matter to much to them to test it. I wonder which channel could...
@@ark_knight My point is that DXVK should be able to run on Windows, so we needn't wait for kernel 6.x. It should be as simple as dropping the DLLs from DXVK's GitHub into the game directories.
You know why I might give ARC a shot? My #1 reason? A true 2 slot card design. Its been ages since a actual 2 slot standard video card has been available and this is important for a lot of niche form factors. That alone has me excited and I’ll happily take a lesser performing card if it fits those physical requirements.
Not bad for first swing at getting in the market, despite issues. I really hope they get competitive in the GPU market and we have three vendors to choose from. Definitely will be watching RDNA3 launch and pricing.
I did my dissertation at University in DX11 and compared to DX9... the structures are nothing alike. It's completely different. It gives the programmer way more control and you can squeeze more performance outta it but... translating from one to the other isn't a trivial task.
The fact that the Linux drivers were merged into the latest mainline release is not too surprising. That's how all new features hit the mainline, and usually precedes backports to the stable branch. It's quite likely you'll see driver support in various distro vendor kernels with versions lower than 6.0 as they do hardware enablement updates.
@@aspirevelocity9296 attempted translation: in Linux, Features come out on the newest development builds first, before developers will make a version for older, more stable versions (such as what most Linux Versions today use).
I'd love to see them running the original half life. presumably being DX8.1 irrc, they'd both probably be translating, so it should give a benchmark of how well each can translate
I've been saying this for awhile. The intel cards are very interesting for mid range systems. I like them for a streaming box, a small form factor background workstation, a media center PC. I don't think I'd put one in my main system this generation, but I like them for secondary computers.
I have a 2060 now and have been pretty happy with it, even still, but when the 770 is back in stock at MSRP I’m pretty sure I’ll go ahead and get it. A few hundred bucks is well worth it to me to breed further competition.
Give them a little more time because they are working on DX11 support. Head engineer said he is confident they will get it done but there was just a lot to do to get to this point. Watch for driver updates.
@@George_Bland Should be able to yes, its a programmable GPU, if they put in the time they should be able to get DX9-11 support working on the hardware, if they put in the time, otherwise we will always get a software solution
Pat Gelsinger also still sounds hopeful for discrete GPU too. He said on Verge's interview that he's pretty comfortable with the expected result of A750/770, and he's expecting next one to be better. The only problem.... is the board. GPU will still be a moneysink for at least several more years, and Pat Gelsinger and Tom Peterson need to do alot to stave off board members and investors that may want Intel to cut off their losses. That's honestly probably the reason for the media blitz they were doing, they need something to show that tech communities are enthusiastic
Linus did remind us: Ryzen 1st gen had a crappy start. Driver, Mobo and temperature issues made it a bad idea for an investment. but due to people actually investing in AMD, it is now actually a compelling value against intel, now Intel, being the GPU underdog, is now in the same boat. as a streamer, I might actually consider their A380 as a stream card to take some load off the actual gaming GPU instead of repurposing an old rig which may take up space
Given what you said about the DX conversion layer, it would be really interesting to see those games on linux with Proton. Could fix all the issues since their DX to Vulkan layer can even give you benefits with Nvidia hardware
I'm even more interested in OpenGL and Vulkan performance as there shouldn't be a performance loss. Who knows, maybe Arc has better CS:GO framerate on GNU/Linux :)
honestly as the most tech-savvy person in my fam and friends group, I think ill go for an intel arc GPU. Maybe it will increase competition in the future and I'm really interested in using it as an encoder when I stream too, those results in that category were pretty good.
I'll definitely consider this once I can see how it compares to my 1660ti. I barely play games anymore, so I cannot in any way justify buying any card more than $300. It's really relieving to see this competition. It seems like a great card assuming it's given the right conditions.
For those on the fence (like me, I have a 1660) I think the move is to buy a new intel card for the modern 1080p/ 1440p performance and keep your old card for older games for both compatibility reasons and for performance reasons. They are cheap enough that its kind of a wash for buying a more expensive AMD or NVIDIA card and selling your old card on ebay to make up the difference.
@@deezhutts my thought exactly? I have a m290x… and I’m not struggling. Genuinely interested in more feedback, my neighbors kids have the 1660, and they are looking for feedback.
@@Juanguar first, this was just a general statement about LTT videos recently, especially with all the new CPU's and GPU's that are kinda expensive. Secondly, not necessarily true for people who have a lot of debt or medical bills that keep them from being able to afford it.
Phoronix had a great time with this on Linux. Yes, you need a bleeding edge kernel and mesa currently, but that will sort itself out eventually as distros roll out new releases.
Dudes, look at it that way, the Arc A770 16gb OC is on par with an 2080ti that cost 4 times as much only a couple years ago at launch and is about twice the price now. I am definitely going with intel this time around. Especially after the crazy price ficing from amd and nvidia. I still dont care for RT even though I used to own a 2080ti.
For tomorrow's live stream I'd really love to see an RX 6600 system included in the results. Seeing as in many cases the 6600 performs better than the 3060 at a way better price.
a number of the other reviews do cover it and, while ARC seems to look okay against the bottom of NVidia's stack, it's absolutely murdered by AMD at the same price-point.
@@ahettinger525 Which is sort of funny, because people buy the 3060, not the 6600s in real life. It's a mess, you'd think people would pick the 6600, its a better card for gamers, at a better price point, but I guess people really do care about those "software features" and the "AMD drivers bad" meme does real damage
@@dieselbaby i don't know men, dlss on a midrange card ? Nvenc, again for what. Which streamer uses a 3060. RTX Voice, Ray tracing for a select few games. Call me cheap but in my mind this is a lot of feature fomo. You would not miss any of that when you save 100 bucks and go AMD 🤷🏻♂️
If Moore's law is dead is right this is going to be the last high end card from Intel and this is going to be a collectors item that Linus is going to talk about 10 years from now.
It would be even better if you could put it in a system and feed back to their driver teams, I wouldn't be surprised if we could see some sizeable gains from driver optimizations in the future.
I'd be interested to see how performance changes if you were to play an older game with proton. The conversion to Vulcan might actually increase the GPUs preformance
Kernel 6.0 is already available in Arch testing repos. It won't be long until it is in the core repo and therefore available for arch based distros like Garuda, Endeavour, etc
@Spots Corner I have a 12700k and a RX 6600 XT on arch. Seriously considering selling my AMD and buying the A770 because I am really curious how it will run under proton with DXVK. It is likely that DXVK is a lot more optimized than whatever intel is using to translate old DirectX calls on windows. All I know is Im not going back to NVidia with their closed-source drivers. Terrible experience on Xorg.
Well I love mine, Performance is now all there with latest Beta driver, issues all fixed for me and the ability to customize the 96 L.E. D. lighting,way cool! I designed it to animate like in Tron but has a red Cylon eye quickly scanning all around the card! Love this card!
I think competiotion is competition. It might not be good right now but both NVIDEA and AMD will be watching intels GPU closely. And when the Intel GPU develops into a somewhat competition it's going to make a price difference in other GPU's. Just having Intel on their heels means they need to stay focussed and can't just do everyhting they want.
Intel will definitely increase the price. It is priced like this now because it is not complete. AMD on Nvidia heels brought us even more expensive stuff. Unless Intel can change the mindshare.
[12:30] I completely understand your perspective on the Intel Arc GPUs. It's true that having more competition in the GPU market is beneficial for consumers in the long run. And Intel's approach to features like ray tracing and AI acceleration does make them stand out in certain areas. However, the performance issues in older games, especially when running DirectX 9 titles, are definitely concerning. [08:42] The comparison with AMD's Radeon 6600 is interesting, especially considering AMD's recent improvements in driver support and overall performance. It will be fascinating to see how Intel addresses these challenges and whether they can gain more developer support for their features like XeSS. [09:38] The AI performance capabilities of Intel Arc are impressive, and I can see how that would appeal to users who prioritize AI-related workloads. But it's also essential to consider more traditional use cases like gaming and encoding. [11:30] The lack of Linux support is unfortunate, as it limits the potential user base for Intel Arc. Hopefully, they'll expand their support in the future to accommodate more Linux users. [13:26] Your call for enthusiasts to give Intel Arc a chance is a fair one. It's essential to support competition in the GPU market, as it can lead to better pricing and innovation in the long term. However, users should also be aware of the limitations and potential issues before making a decision. In summary, Intel Arc shows promise in certain areas but has some challenges to overcome. It's worth considering for specific use cases, but users should research thoroughly and be prepared for potential compatibility issues in certain games and operating systems.
Sadly but design is only thing that Intel do how we was imagine that can be done and tbh these cards are very very nice for consumers eyes but as i said thats all.
I am seriously considering an A750 on my streaming server if it supports virtualization. I think the emulation groups will definitely support these cards too and Steam OS is built on Arch, it should be one of the first to support these cards
@@Drew_Koch Okay. Any GPU can do GPU passthrough though (Nvidia admittedly involved some clunkyness). Mostly just about BIOS support. Why I was confused. I am hoping for SR-IOV support, without licensing restrictions and great compatibility with lookingglas. I would instantly buy this if that was offered.
Those media encoder numbers are very nice. If DaVinci Resolve, OBS, and maybe Adobe will support these cards. That would make them compelling options for a new build. Thank you Linus and team.
I would guess that OBS would be quick to adopt it especially since they just released AV1. Even if not OBS specifically, Xaymar's StreamFX has had AV1 for a long time and I'm sure he'd love to try to get an AV1 capable card to work with it. I'm also really excited about Intel's AI processing features. Seems compelling.
AV1 was enough for me to buy one :) I just love that codec. I skipped VP9 so for me its a huge jump. Making sure my files don't get bigger, even tho i got a new camera :)
I'm definitely going to be one of the people who buys the A770, as I really want to support them and what they are doing. Of course my frames won't be higher, but supporting them through this transition is what makes and encourages them to continue onto a Gen 2 of the products, which will then continue onto where regular people will hopefully consider them against NVIDIA and AMD.
Honestly, it's this kind of attitude that moves the market forward and drives innovation. Sadly, I tried this with Stadia for the last 2 years and it didn't work out so well.
I would consider using A770 and A750 for a 2nd PC for streaming and video editing. My concern is how long are they willing to support this if they don't meet their sales goals.
A couple months ago When Steve from Gamers Nexus had an Intel graphics engineer for a video on ARC he was quite clear that Intel is committed to this long term. Here it is ua-cam.com/video/8ENCV4xUjj0/v-deo.html
You don't enter the gpu ring and expect to take over. This is an extremely difficult market to compete in. Even AMD when they beat Nvidia still struggle to sell the same. Hopefully Intel has a 4 or 5 year plan here and perhaps can corner an area of enterprise. Either way for me the better company is AMD. RDNA over ARC..ARC over Nvidia greed.
@@wojtek-33 Yeah, getting some major RX 5000 vibes here (IE: Only really targeted the mid-stack and lower) Hopefully Intel can get their situation working better for Battlemage with a RX 6000 style surge.
@@fillmainlol5973 lmao what? Did you watch the video? He literally has benchmarks on there for h264 and h265 encoding. I didn't say it was terrible or anything but Intel quicksync already exists and while it can get the job done for streaming and video editing but its not NVENC. Maybe if you're just hobbyist then sure but NVIDIA features for creators are just better right now. A LOT better
Red = AMD
Green = Nvidia
Blue = Intel
It needs to happen just for the RGB
Its basically
Red = Nintendo
Green = Microsoft
Blue = Sony
😉
@@BroskiPlays en
@@BroskiPlays wrong
@@BroskiPlays nah m8
@@Altives i mean those companies do use those colors for identifying themselves
I buy one of each brand’s card for a true RGB system and then I cry at McDonald’s drive through
what the hell does this mean mr homeless
best not to use your main account while wasted
@@_JackHale please please do
thank you for your sacrifice hummus man
username checks out for this comment XD
Funny, they're not really known for being the budget-friendly option.
I don't think they have a choice. I doubt Intel could make a GPU that competes with the 7900XTX & the 4080 even if they wanted to and at whatever price. Just haven't been in the industry for long enough, they have some catching up to do first.
@@Letthy_oliverr I have high hopes for a B770 or even a B780 that could be competitive with the 4070/4070 Ti
I've honestly been seeing intel cpus that are equal or better in terms of performance of ryzen cpus at a lower price. 13600k comes to mind, but 12th gen is pretty good too in price
@@jatinmarcob2128 yeah amd cpu's used to be a lot more budget friendly but now a days you're right, they are around the same price. I just build my first computer with with Intel. :P
@@trev119 Funny enough my first pc build is going to a 6700xt with a 12600k so I can upgrade to another gpu in the future cause of the sale going on with amd 6000 cards rn. Even then it'll last me like 5 years at the very least before I actually need to upgrade to another gpu
Finally. With Team Blue joining the fight, now the GPU market has RGB like a true gamer.
Did you just...
@@sonicdeathmnkey I think he did …
as an amd fanboi, im rooting for intel here because the world needs more RGB
@@sonicdeathmnkey unbelievable..
I don't know if you came up with this. but it's genius
I REALLY HOPE that Intel pulls it off in the GPU market. I'm very sick of just having a duopoly for GPUs.
they will,it will just take time.
Now you'll have to put up with a tripoly.
Now we need Nvidia to start making consumer CPUs
Words are nice. But if you really want to see change. Go buy an Arc card.
i'm very sick of a decade of quad cores from intel
i really hope intel keeps trucking and doesn't cancel arc. as a first attempt, this is really impressive, and i'm really hopeful for future generations of ARC cards.
They almost definitely have a few years of cards in the pipeline. I’m hopeful about them being a real contender (especially if they start fabbing them in the US) but for now, idk. Maybe if there’s a great deal
Pretty sure I’ve seen an announcement that intel was already ditching consumer cards and just keeping arc for servers
It is not their first gpu..
@@timschultz1928 rip
I can confirm that they were already working on 3rd gen cards like 2 months ago, probably for longer than that.
But really it's the software that needs work. The hardware is already great.
The 750 is reasonably inexpensive right now and the new driver updates have made a HUGE improvement in games. If you’re building for kids, teens or anyone that isn’t using an FPS counter it can be a very good budget priced card.
Craig my guy what are you spewing? Teens are the exact demographic who would be putting on fps counters.
Sad but he's right, I've seen teens complain cus there PC's don't get max frame rate on there budget builds
@@VengeanceLNlol
@@VengeanceLN im happy if i barely reach 20fps
same i have a trash laptop means seriously an i3 7100U and a UHU graphics with 12 gigs of ram and a good sdd of 3.5 gigs with 512 gb storage and i play gta 4 i get around 15-21 fps and i am happy cuz atleast i could complete missions only that mission name strip to kill or somethin was areal terrible
@@brognog1145
A770 16GB for $349 is a damn good offer for scientific compute with OpenCL where you need the VRAM. 16GB has never been cheaper, and for that price the A770 has zero competition in the market. Radeon VII was 2x that price. Looking forward to get more VRAM on the cheap!
Would be nice to have ML support diversified as nvidia has monopoly on this too mucb
This for sure. I may just get one for my OpenCL projects.
@@dallysinghson5569 There is some support through oneAPI I believe.
Not when CUDA is both stable and better supported.
@@st0nedpenguin not really. OpenCL runs on any GPU from the last 10 years, and it's just as fast as CUDA on Nvidia hardware. See the CFD project on my UA-cam channel where I crush compute records on AMD Instinct MI250's and Nvidia A100's with OpenCL.
I find it amusing that about 6 months back we were scrambling to find a new GPU. Now we have a surplus of them. Strange times indeed
This is a MUCH better place to be tho luckily
I don't find it strange at all. It's literally just how markets go-for anything.
You should thank China for banning mining all together, and crypto bubble burst.
@@AzraelOfTheDarkAngels smartass
its nuts! i can't even believe how crazy the market is
i genuinely like the simple design of the arc gpus
until you have to change TP or a broken fan
makes it more versatile for smaller or more minimal builds too imho
With evga off the market this is hands down one of the most aesthetically pleasing gpu's!
@@craigpratt8875 but runs like crap
@@Stikkzz Yeahhh the Gamers Nexus tear down looked like pure pain to open up and deal with
“Impressively stable for a first gen product.”
Probably the most positive thing anyone could say about Arc without blatantly lying.
I think there’s loads of other positives, XeSS is incredibly good vs DLSS, the Drivers are already yielding massive improvements, the RT performance beats AMD and matches the 3060, aesthetically they look really nice, the A770 is by far the cheapest 16gb GPU for rendering on a budget
By far they already build an igpu so they can stabalize this gpu easily
For rendering.... too bad they intend it for gaming
@@andreasmuller2437 dont think you understand rendering at all lol
@@andreasmuller2437 bruh
Some video recommendations:
To the editing staff: Can you please briefly highlight/flash/outline the card being reviewed when you put up the bar chart? This can help quickly orient the audience to what to look for.
To the lab staff: Can you also test these cards for non-gaming uses? Namly can it handle being fully/over loaded with monitors? Does it crash if you unplug/replug the monitors (as when someone is troubleshooting their setup)? How does this work with folding@home or boinc@home projects?
I'd also like to see how it handles living with a green or red GPU in the same system. A-series sounds like a great secondary card for extra monitors and encoding features so I'm curious how well it acts along side someone else's gpu. My old workstation had a 1060 along side the built-in 4790k iGPU and it was a great way to get 2 more monitors. Hopefully Intel's big GPUs are similarly well-behaved.
Yesss I agree! I hope they see this
would also be nice to have sampleworkloads with for example video-encoding/-recoding, although that seems to be bound more to the cpu.
Yes please! especially for colorblind viewers!!
There is cards that crash when you unplug/replug monitors on the fly?!
One thing I like is the tighter, sleeker form factor. Not bulky design. It would be really good for smaller cases especially if building your own system.
Those are called low profile cards sir
I'm looking to update my workstation / network render machine. A 13600K and A770 16GB might be the route I go down for the next gen build if I can't find a similarly priced modern 16GB GPU.
@@isaiah4478 low profile cards also don't usually need power from the PSU to work so yea I guess but also nah
Its definitely not that small vs the cards it actually goes up against. About the same so long as you don't get one with an insane cooler.
@@ltcuddles685 While the length is nothing special, this does appear to be a true 2-slot cooler. Most of the 3060s I can find are 2.5 slots.
I have a feeling the driver performance will improve a LOT with the amount of bug reports they're going to get after release.
Yup, the hardware itself seems good, the thing that slows it down is solely it's software. The performance is surely going to increase with updates
@@xmasterosu Having better specs on paper doesn't automatically translate into better performance via driver improvements. I think its more fair to expect some minor performance improvements over time like AMD's GCN architecture, rather than expecting some huge driver drop that massively improves performance in the future.
Yes but Intel aren't going to be used to providing that level of ongoing driver support,
Thing is, the bug reports and "real world issues" are only going to come in [en masse] once people actually buy this GPU, which is also the reason why a lot of people are apprehensive in the first place. It's kinda stuck until a lot of people take that leap of faith and just get one and roll with the punches.
@Fashinqu A. I hope Steam OS jumps all over the cards.
They will honestly be a perfect solution to "family member and friends want you to build them a mid-range gaming pc"
Nobody's gonna know.. They're gonna know.. How are they gonna know?
Did this exactly, it doesn't matter to them if they don't know wtf they're getting and have never even had a gaming PC before.
I wish I was in that situation to ask for that lol
I think most people knew the first gen would be a rocky start. But we need to support them. 3's a crowd in price rigging and this is what the market needs
3 can price-rig quite easily - just think back to the LCD panel price-fixing scheme a little over a decade ago. Matter of fact, it was 8 companies.
the plane didn't crash and burn, they got the plane off the ground
"But we need to support them"
LOL yes, we should all absolutely 'support' the multi-billion globalist corporation that just doesn't even care about you at all.
@@clitmint not a company support just the product if they don´t succeed it can be a problem for end user because ngreedia and amd just get rid of competition and start fight again to each other price vs performance and i am really happy to have something between right price for right performance intel is more universal like nvidia which comes in right time before new RX comes out because streamers these cards may consider against overpriced nvidia but don´t have so good performance in amd titles or just for non professional and home video editors just like i am or science and AI computing like i am so i go order a770 and try it myself. i am not defending intel but i don´t want do condemn new product before try it. if it will be a bad experience then i will tell that it is bad do not buy it
@@theanglerfish
Regardless how well their products perform (thanks in large part to microsoft - look into that one), imagine actually still giving your hard earned cash to a company that took the piss out of its user base for a long time, offering bare minimum upgrades to their chips while still charging an ultra premium, all because they had the name recognition to do so.
You naturally understand the first gen on a new fab is going to cost a ton, but each new revision is cheaper for them, and in turn, is supposed to be cheaper for the end users. It isn't, as we can all see. It's nothing but the purest of greed.
They literally never gave any of you any breaks at all. Making you buy new boards for their "new" chips, that were still on the exact same fab, but with tweaks LOL
They used and abused their loyal fans, who in turn, suckered in, and then kept suckering people with their glowing reviews, most of which were put up by paid shills.
The big tech-tubers love that intel gravy train, and don't want their free intel parts and trinkets to ever stop flowing.
Suggestion: when making charts keep the color scheme the same for teams. You started with green for Nvidia and blue for Intel. And then blue was I believe avg fps against red and yellow. Considering it's a video and we would have to pause every time you show something to look at it, it would be great if you could make the charts a bit more consistent and digestible for dummies non chart nerds like myself. They're quite simple which is great, but could be improved upon with some coherence.
Or release them as images somewhere else so we can look at them separately. Either way thanks.
Glad Arc isn't that bad. But I wonder for the 3 and 5 series performance. I also still have doubts if ALL arc require 12th Gen or select ryzen chips or that was just for the 7 series (maybe you say this on video but copying message on mobile is bugged and I can't save it to keep watching).
Its likely those charts werent made by 1 person or someone wanted a visual distinction
Agreed!
different shades of each team’s color would go a long way
Boo hoo
Great suggestion, I personally had the same experience with the graphs. Its not a huge deal to me, but it would help with the flow of the video.
I still cannot believe Intel actually released a gpu. The fact that it is actually okay is a big bonus, but oh my god, I never thought I'd see the day
They have released many GPUs in the past, as separate chips on the mainboard, as separate cards and integrated into their CPUs.
However, they were rarely competitive.
@@Incoming1983 let's be serious it is not competitive folks.....stop the BS (directed at Linus). Competitive means the current meta...enter RDNA and 4000 series - that puts intel two generations behind...
@@jonnymakers9560 Competitive means just what it means. Current meta doesn't really matter unless it's old tech. It's competitive in the lower end market simply on price point.
@@jonnymakers9560 that is totally okay???? it's competitive at its performance range. It does not have to be an industry leader to be competitive. Not everyone needs the latest and greatest performace. A lot of gamers if not most play the same few games regularly anyway.
@@BusinessWolf1 Call of duty has 100 + MILLION players and tens of thousands of streamers..they are 144 res with 170FPS all max settings. It makes a huge difference to most gamers
I just picked up an A750 today for a new PC build (paired with an i5 13600K). Not a super hardcore gamer, so I gave it a shot for basically the reasons you offered at the end. We’ll see how it goes!
how did it go. im curious
Any updates? I'm debating picking up an A770 to replace my 8gb RX570
@@N1GHTHAWK1211 big driver updates in january and few days ago
How's it going so far Jeremy?
Thanks for giving it a chance! Check out the new driver updates they’ve made a huge improvement in stability.
Really hope Intel steps up the competition and knocks Nvidia's ego down. I'm sick and tired of it acting like a monopoly because there's no real competition. GPUs costing as much as a whole rig is unacceptable
Im seeing what RDNA 3 does. Lets hope their priced to move.
@@ML-yn9yu RDNA 2 was very good already. Bought a 6800 after being disappointed by a RTX3070ti
everyone is supporting intel but in the end still buying nvidia
@@michaelsieber98 i got myself a 6800xt and im really happy with it, RDNA2 was great
All that matters is price to performance
I do like competition, the only thing I'd be weary about is them leaving the market and not fixing the drivers, but they seem to be committed.
"They have to", in order to get good at something you need to be bad a first
I really hope Intel can join the market
Intel has always been surprisingly good with driver and software support. I was always taken aback by how much they have upkept their old hardware
@@gonzalolog intel has been bad for about 23 years or so.. aaany day now.
Honestly I'm surprised how good these cards are. Given that AMD and NVIDIA have been developing GPUs for decades, they had a massive headstart.
@@sebastianjost Guess picking up raja koduri really gave them a massive leap compared to their HD line of gpus.
As an Arch btw Linux user, using the latest and greatest kernel is an expectation not a hindrance. I definitely want to get my hands on the A770 Limited Edition if only so I can add support for its lighting in OpenRGB, but also because Intel has a pretty solid iGPU driver on Linux already so I have high hopes for what this card is capable on that driver stack.
Imagine the Linux drivers beeing optimized and the card ripping thrue openGL, that would be a milestone when it comes to Gaming on Linux.
@@SomeNameHere Well, openGL itself is the problem, when compared to DirectX it loses really bad, and let's just not talk about Vulkan, but it is better to use in specific cases against DirectX, still it lacks a lot compared to it.
@@SomeNameHere The Phoronix article about it mentions that it performs really well with openGL right now, Vulkan is still missing some features like raytracing but things should be stable by next year. Funny how the whole DX9/11 thing doesn't matter at all on Linux since its getting wrapped to Vulkan anyway.
@@DrakyHRT I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss OpenGL. A big part of the issue is OpenGL implementations on Windows tend to be pretty subpar. AMD's OpenGL implementation is terrible on Windows. NVIDIA's is pretty solid on both platforms. Mesa's OpenGL implementation for AMD on Linux is much better than the official Windows implementation. Intel's OpenGL on Linux is also Mesa and there are a lot of shared optimizations among Mesa/Gallium3D drivers, plus Mesa also has Zink (OpenGL-on-Vulkan) which has been making pretty good strides in performance too.
Even on Windows, I have no doubt that a D3D9 to DX12 wrapper could work well, it's just a matter of implementation. DXVK and VKD3D have been doing the 3D API wrapper thing pretty well for a while now.
the Intel iGPU drivers on linux are soo far ahead of their windows counterpart. It doesn't even support Direct mode for VR rendering on windows at all, so ironically the only way for me to play beatsaber on my laptop is on linux, running through Proton. I'm really interested to see how Arc performs in VR, both on Windows and on Linux too.
I've had mine for about 4 months now and it's been great. Had some serious teething issues at first, but the driver updates have all been amazing. Only thing I wish is that XeSS was supported more.
I am rooting for them because we desperately need competition in the GPU market.
Amd?
@@Halfcertified The more the better.
@@Selrisitai Craig GPU
@@Halfcertified That, too.
It so weird that people keep saying they want competition, then turn around and root for the other monopoly manufacturer in the space.
An oligopoly isn't better than a monopoly. It just a different flavor of dystopian. Its like rooting for the chocolate shit sundae to outperform the vanilla shit sundae and the strawberry shit sundae. No matter how much "competition" that's going on between them, the end user still ends up eating shit.
By looking at the transistor count and process node there is very high probability that in a year or two as Intel optimize and stabilize their driver stack they will extract excellent performance from ARC.
Edit: bunch of additional points based on below replies
=> Yes Game engines also will be optimized for ARC as time goes. This is classic chicken egg problem. Game engine devs can't spend time until there is at least average ARC customers.
=> Being a software dev I'm very much aware about how complex graphics driver stack can be. I would definitely give credit to Intel of bringing at least this level of stability for the brand new product which is directly trying to bite 3070 territory.
=>Doesn't matter how much money u through at driver development teams it's gonna take its time to stabilize. This is time problem not a money problem.
=> Nvidia and AMD will also move up but who said Intel won't move up. Once their driver stack is solid launching new stable products will be lot easier for them.
People say there are architectural problems that cannot be solved by driver fixes.
By that time low-end Lovelace and RDNA3 will be on the market with 50-100% more performance than current gen. Hopefully Intel's next gen will be able to combine more powerful hardware with mature drivers, if it ever comes to existance.
@@mayurvashishth1484 It obviously isn't an architectural problem the cards run great in a lot of games. I think with 6 more months of driver updates and fixing the ARC software will make them beat out all of the low end 3000 series cards .
@@mayurvashishth1484 No those people are morons it was similar for amd it took them years to get max performance out of cards from years ago like the rx580 and vega cards. But here is what is commendable by intel they at least told everyone what to expect unlike amd.
@@mayurvashishth1484 they're most likely making more cards sooo...
Lets be honest, given the complexity of entering this space, we have to give credit to just how stable the drivers are and how well this thing seems to perform on their very first try. I really really hope they come out with a second generation that fixes a lot of the issues mentioned. It really seems to me like they have built a card for the future and not the past, which could mean over time it'll really become amazing
i don't think you will rven have to wait forc2nd generation, drivers updates alone will improve their performance by a lot
"how stable the drivers are" - that's yet an assumption not a fact.
2nd gen is gonna be amazing, they leave amd eating dust in their first ray tracing and upscaling try.
They don't perform well, they're just priced competitively to account for that.
@@DarkP1 though RT is still at unplayable FPS and from all the comparison I saw FSR2 looks far better at both performance and quality comparing to XeSS. (Death Stranding support both)
I guess I'm the technical type? Picked up the 16gb ARK A770 the other day. (Uprading my trusty 7 year old Pascal) I'm very impressed with the latest 4148 driver so far. (Stable) Here's hoping for the best on cheap budget!
They would've had a massive market share if they released these a year ago.
They couldn't for the same reason that cards were so expensive in the first place.
@@mattfantastic9969 Yes they could, look at the price they just released them at. A year ago today a 3060 would be costing $500+, more like $600 if you want me to be realistic. If you take the A750 at $289, and a 3060 at $500, and lets even say that it was only 1/2 of the performance in the game you play. That's still better than waiting for like 2 months before getting your 3060 at $500 assuming you could even find one in stock at that price. You'll be able to game for an entire 2 months and since you spent less money on gpu you could upgrade another pc part or just save your money.
Also this is their first time, we gotta cut them some slack, I don't want them to give up their arc gpus because of all the hate. Even ltt said to support them in any way you can so they'll keep improving and become a real competitor
@@susnojutsu2525
A year ago they couldn't offer the A750 for $289...
@@susnojutsu2525 Matt is referring to the material shortage due to the lock downs. You can't sell cards if you don't have what you need to make them.
@@susnojutsu2525 it seems you haven't been following the state of the gpu market in the last three years. This isn't to diss intel for their first attempt, the demand was simply bigger than what manufacturers would offer, with scalpers and especially crypro miners, who were quite a lot and were willing to pay any price. Any sane company with profit as a goal would not miss such chance to raise their prices, without the need to increase their production.
If intel joined during these times, they would either absorb part of the demand initially and run out of stock, or most likely upcharge for their gpu like the competition
I'm *really* into the idea of a lower A380 as a media encoder.
Wonder how it will handle Plex transcoding?
Intel has server versions which might be much better
a350
So far it can do a lot of media encoding. Slowly testing with everything else but it's relatively impressive. Haven't messed with Plex yet with it but have been using it for transcoding and streaming.
@@DavidBozinov Can the A380 do 4k60 SDR AV1 encoding? If so I'm buying it ASAP
This truly is what a GPU used to be. Nowadays they’re practically just a smaller pc that you install into your pc.
Well yeah, super computers are just big computers with a bunch of smaller computers all funneling singular tasks through each other at the same time. So why wouldn't home PC's do the same eventually?
@@victorkreig6089 something something not many apps can make use of multicores that well, and even many of the ones that do, don't make that big of a use of all of the many cores that we even have in today's consumer cpus, let alone tomorrow's. But yes, eventually, maybe, we can only hope. As it stands rn, no one's able to think of a practical way to horizontally scale GPUs for gaming for example, let alone implement it, and even though the case is better for CPU cores, not by that much in reality, so an infinitely powerful (+more cores/gpus = +more fps) PC right now is more limited by software than hardware. ok ok i started just replying to you and i went somewhere else ik xD
And often they costs more than the entire rig (except ofcourse, gpu themselves).
@@victorkreig6089 Because there’s comes a point where it’s not a matter of if it can, and rather a matter of it it needs to. Sure, you could have a supercomputer in your home, but you don’t need 500 terabytes of memory to run CS:GO.
@@bunsenn5064 you're not thinking outside the box
Yes I bought me a acer arc a770 BiFrosty > I could not afford it since i been out of work for over 1 yr But i want intel to do very well in the industry .Oh did i mention i have a hernia and need a operation for the last 1yr and a half. Anyway a bought me 1 while i could. I am 56 and still game like a teen. LOVE it BABY
I don't game much, but seeing the great performance of VEAI and having AV1 encoding is definitely enticing to buy. If Plex can also support HW encoding on an ARC card, that would be awesome.
That might be a cool use for these early cards, for home video servers and/or home theater PCs.
Intel gpu with an unRAID Plex server would be phenomenal
Exactly what I'm doing with mine. Fortunately for me Jellyfin has AV1 baked right in
For a first try, Intel did really well there. These card might actually age like fine wine, if they improve the drivers over time!
totally agree, they have the silicon there. AMD have the same boat, decent amounts of silicon, with time allowing for engineers to fine tune it.
true
Their brand new card is losing to a 3 year old 3060, they’re going to have to do buttloads better if they want to be relatively
@@mackdaddypeypey1 the thing here is that they are cheaper mate
@@mackdaddypeypey1 RTX 3060 came out February 2021 and good luck getting it for the first couple of months if not a year for anything short of a ridiculous amount. To this day it’s still not MSRP.
I’m going to take one for the team and be an early adopter… praying that driver updates are frequent and effective.
Ditto
watch Steves new video. They're literally held together with tape LMAO
@@aidan8533-i1t Eliminating thick side plates able to support the crimping and tearing effect of screws means these cards are thinner and thus fit within 2 slots and not 2.10 slots which forces 3 slots of real estate on the motherboard. Thin side panels means double-sided tape and that is unfortunate because I also like to open up video cards from time to time to clean out any dust that gets inside.
@Marlon Arancibia Yes, thanx for the suggestion. But the double=sided tape might not work if I bent that thin metal rear shield too much when I took it off. That's the worrisome part of taking something off that is glued or taped.
I took one from the RX 5700 release it went fine in just a few months of continues upates
Now we need an Nvidia CPU, so Nvidia, AMD, and Intel could participate in both CPU and GPU markets
you want a nvidia cpu priced at $2500 with i7 10900k performance? lmao no thanks
@@XxAtomic646xX people would still buy it tho 💀
@@XxAtomic646xX i doubt they would release something that costs more and performs worse than the newer gen cpus as their first release if they decide to start making cpus
They were already working on one.
I think they used to even do CPUs in the early 2000's, or maybe that was just motherboard chipsets.
Nvidia going going to charge 1k for a cpu
I really wish they had true support for dx9 through 11. The vast majority of titles are there, and it would be a far more compelling option if they had it.
@Fashinqu A. That's effectively what they've doing, only it's d3d9->dx12 instead of Vulkan.
I'm curious about the performance of Gallium-Nine, at least on AMD it's still quite a lot faster than DXVK, and with no CPU overhead.
Or they use a better wrapper developed by Valve called dxvk
Most dx9 titles would still run 120fps plus so is it really that bad?
@Fashinqu A. although its no excuse for their incompetence for not properly implementing older dx 12< support as , not all games properly support dxvk . It'd be really interesting to see how the performance skyrockets in older titles .
Just too much dev time for not a bunch of dated games that would run very well even with overhead.
Graphics engineer here: Like Linus pointed out, many of these issues can (and most likely will) be fixed in software.
Linus also pointed out that AMD had followed that path too by constantly improving their older cards with newer drivers that would increase performance. Eventually, performance on one AMD card improved as much as 92% over the oiginal drivers. Now, if Intel Arc 380/770 could also have the same type of performance gains over their lifespan just from driver improvements, that would be great.
@@animejanai4657 especially given that Intel is relatively new to this so they’re learning. They did hire on someone from amd to help develop these cards btw
so driver update?
And less adoption of proprietary CUDA and D3D over OpenCL and Vulkan would be nice as well. But junior devs just go for the most proprietary thing to study for their certs and skip open source.
Im working hard in the labs to improve the efficiency
Honestly at it’s price point it’s still very compelling. Back in my day you could build a whole high end functional PC for under 1,000 dollars. Nvidia has gotten out of control with their pricing and a third option is sorely needed.
Ten to fifteen years ago if you told someone you paid over 1,000 dollars for a video card they’d probably laugh because it’s absolutely absurd. It’s still absurd it’s just that people have grown to accept it for some reason.
I miss the days of buying an 8600gt for $130 and firing up counter strike source.
Ten to fifteen years ago yo would need to count for inflation too though. That's at least 40% more which you'd pay now, just through the insane inflation during the last years.
But still you are totally right 1000USD for an video card is just insane, who even buys that?
@@codykensington1424 My first build had an AMD/ATI Radeon 3870 and that card was maybe 250 dollars when it was brand new for a high end card. High end cards are now quadrupled in price. There’s honestly little excuse for it. I know inflation exists but it’s not caused anything else to quadruple in price.
C'mon, you can still build a high end PC today from scratch and brand new parts under 1000. Midrange cards are plenty powerful to play 90% of new games in high settings, most people really won't miss the extreme frame rates and ultra settings.
At its price point? It’s cost per frame is terrible. A 6650xt is more powerful, $20 more and established drivers. These cards are to expensive if you play any older game. The direct x9 support is terrible.
I decided to build a pc with the new ARC770 limited edition GPU. When I saw what Intel’s mission was, I had to support them. I always like it when a company offers affordable products that compete. Btw, I decided on this before I saw this video. Thanks for being super informative (for what you can tell us). I appreciate it, LTT!
Im also thinking of buying one... So hows ur gpu performing rn?
If there is a translation layer for older renderers like directx9 or 11, you will not get much performence. If you play games on directx12, it put nvidia and amd(Only legend know it was known as ati) to Shame. To Shame! You can get so much more frames for newer games and you will get av1 hardware acceleration! This feature is found in 800 to 900$ graphics card.
@@bhargavjitbhuyan9394 There is DXVK, which Intel plans on using (afaik) for their drivers. But it can be happily installed on a by game basis.
Given that Nvidia and AMD are more focused on the mid-high to high end, Intel 'accidentally' filled the low end with an impressive attack at the mid range. I hope Intel dominates the low-mid tier with this generation. I also hope they don't give up. There's massive potential here and it has me excited for what they might have for their "2nd gen".
>AMD cards are mid-high end
You can get a RX6700 for $200-250. If that's even mid-grade then I don't want to know what you consider to be budget.
@@PitH0und I didn't say "AMD cards are mid-high end". I said "AMD [is] more focused on the mid-high to high end". It's literally right there in plain text. I never said that the lower tier cards don't exist. They just aren't AMD's priority.
@@PitH0und yesterday bought an rx6700, 280$ and it doesn't develop as an mid-high, it develops as a fucking beast in every single game. Paired with r5 5500 and 32gb
@@marianodelcampo1025 that’s a decent rig
@@marianodelcampo1025 I run the 6800 XT at 2k paired with a 5600X using SAM. I completely demolish games getting upwards of 40fps higher than the benchmarks I found at launch. Anyone running a 3000 series should know that they're cards SUCK without DLSS and RTX to pad their numbers. Any native resolution above 2k is going to run better on an AMD card. The media tried to tell everyone the 6700 XT would be weaker than a 2080. I have two friends with the 6700XT and it dominates my lil bros 2080 in every title. I will never go back to Nvidia so long as they rely on gimmicks.
The 6.0 kernel was just released as the newest stable version in the last few days, so we'll see how the drivers are doing in Linux soon. It's unfortunate that it will probably take them a while to get up to snuff. I wonder how performance will be on a system where DirectX is always through a translation layer. Seems like it might be a while before we have a definitive answer for that.
It will of course take time for releases of stable distributions that start out with a 6.0 kernel to be the norm. Updating the kernel to 6.0 in these distributions may have its pitfalls. However, rolling releases should start having the 6.0 kernel fairly soon, so something like Arch or Manjaro may see at least some kind of support within a fairly short time period.
From my experience using an RTX 370 on Fedora Linux for gaming bs Steam Proton performance is on par with running natively on Windows and for some games like Shadow of Mordor and Universe Sandbox it runs faster with proton than the native OpenGL versions. If the same low performance overhead is maintained with ARC it could outperform Windows in dx11 and older titles by translating it to Vulkan.
dxvk (what proton uses for dx9-12 -> vulkan) is FAST (so fast that the fallout new vegas modding guide strongly recommends using it over the native dx9). it’s nearly always as good or better than the native windows implementation. as long as intel’s linux vulkan drivers are up to scratch with amd/nvidia’s (not a particularly high bar) performance should be fantastic. less likely is intel providing full support for their extra features (XeSS etc.) id also love to see how the arc gpus fare over thunderbolt 3 as an egpu since i don’t think ReBAR is great like that.
Maybe DXVK can even help with the older DirectX games?
@@junethefirst Isn't Intel using D3D9On12 for DirectX 9? It's a translation layer made by Microsoft similar to DXVK and vkd3d that translates DX9 calls to DX12. Translation layers are just the way to go now.
@@radiish1239 afaik Intel's vulkan drivers ANV in the mesa stack are quite good, being in the mesa stack and under development for new vulkan versions the moment Khronos released vulkan 1.0.
If the drivers improve though, this could be a pretty decent deal. I'd also be interested to see more productivity details.
This was my thought. I will wait until seeing more updates on this. But it's also true that we as consumers need to be more cognizant of the market. If we dont want companies to fuck us over we should also stop being the people who make these companies fuck us over. I mean companies arent morale or anything, they just go for money and if they see they can go up with prices without any losses then they will keep doing it. It is the same with video games. I think it's something that need to be taught in school. Markets are working fine, it's just the people who buy arent aware that they have it in their hands to make markets more competetive or monopolize it.
Yes it will, but by that time the Used Market will be flooded while the New Cards will be getting discounts. And the next-gen cards after would be getting ready for release.
The point is always be careful about "future-proofing" your system. Sure there's certain things you should do, but the gist is paying more today for a promise tomorrow rarely works out.
With all that said, Intel stuffed up their opportunity. They needed to release this in 2019 and made on their own favs. That way it would have been competitive performance wise against the RDNA-1 and RTX-20 cards. Then it would've been competitive during the 2020-2022 run. Intel lost the chance to make alot of money. And in 2023 they could've been competitive value-wise.
The other big point, is that they could have shifted Intel-Foundry to focus primarily on GPU, SSD, RAM, Motherboard manufacturing and also external chip orders. While their more crucial products could have been outsourced to the technically superior TSMC-Node to stay competitive. Imagine their Core-i7 and Core-i9 chips easily surpassing Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 processors. While their Core-i3 and Core-i5 could still be built inhouse and offer strong value-for-money. Big wasted opportunity there.
The most appealing part is it's focus on the AI. AI upscaling will dominate the market very soon and intel is one step ahead. They know that and that's why they are making such a bold investment.
it already is a good deal for some games
Intel is actively working on older versions of Direct X. Recently they dropped an update that basically doubled framerates for Direct X 9, which includes games like Team Fortress 2. It'll take some time, but it appears they're making sure the DX12 is working well (which currently, it looks fantastic) and they're working their way backwards updating their drivers to better function in older DX levels. I hope they keep it up, cause 3 options instead of 2 is very good for the consumer!
I said this when they announced they were doing cards. I am absolutely buying one to put in my 12700K build. I want them to succeed, so AMD and Nvidia have competition.
My respect, sir. I’ll get intel gpu once they release a 4080 competitor coz I’m already running a 3070 ti.
Not all heroes wear cape like batman
What is your current gpu?
@@WillyBoyy I have no gpu, building pc soon
Respect. I was looking into building a PC last week and saw how ridiculous the prices are for nvidea cards. I think I will give those cards a 6-8 month maturity period and then seriously consider getting one myself
Man these will fly with budget builds. I hope intel puts a sizable dent into the GPU market so that Nvidia and AMD will get their heads out of their arses
Which is good, budget builds are the vast majority of the pc market, meaning what Games are developed against
If they fit the budget builds they have basically done what they have to do. Budget builds are the majority of builds after all. I never thought I'd say this but I do hope Intel succeed with this.
Noooo i just bought a shit ton of nividia stock. I also bought it 3 years ago for 75 a share and sold between 285 and sold the last at 310. Now I just bought again at 125 and it should hit 250 by next summer to q4 2023
Why would they? On average they are horrible cards. They also consume between 40-50Watt in idle, vs competition 4-7W. Not to mention generally higher power consumption than the competition. Or of course the fact that in older titles they are absolutely atrocious, beaten even by a 10 year old product (as seen above in CS:GO)
RX 6600 XT/6650XT/6700 non xt/ 6700XT are all WAAAAAY better buys than ARC.
They are decent enough for Intel's entry into GPU market, but not even close to be a good buy at their current prices. When going by average performance, A770 should top out at 250$, not 350$. As Linus acknowledged in the video - Intel claimed that they will price those cards on their DX
I want to get one of the ones that keep getting shown. The black with rgb lines look so good.
Honestly the arc gpu’s are so sleek and subtle. Decent performance and a great price point. I’m definitely buying a 2nd gen card if they keep that up..
@ 11:20 About Linux kernel 6; Linux kernel 6.0.1 is out now. I have it on my openSUSE tumbleweed!
It is really nice to have some budget options in the GPU market again, especially considering prices from the last 1-2 years
Let's just hope they sort the glaring non-DX12/Vulkan issues.
To be fair if driver update manage to mitigate the DX9/11 issues it would be in the top 3 of card i would consider buying
@@deokureta108 I'm actually considering buying one rn, I am a bit worried about the performance in the older games though but its most probably going to be used for video editing and light gaming
@@SpartanArmy117 It would have been odd a few years ago but after the gpu prices during the supply chain shortage a price cut of 50-60 bucks seems huge now
@@riyasatmushfiqrahman3240 You'd be wasting money, cause you could find an RX 6650xt which outperforms the 6600xt and A770 for about the same price as the A770.
I’m honestly impressed with Intel’s first attempt at a GPU lineup. It does seem like Alchemist is essentially their beta test, but I think they’ll get up to speed by the Battlemage or Celestial series. I’d be interested in doing an all Intel custom rig with blue and white RGB lighting when it’s time to upgrade if they can match their competitors at that time.
I would legit buy one if it were cheap enough and in white.
Yeah it's much better start than first AMD RDNA1 - remember that nigthmare with drivers, stability? Also fun fact RT performance here is better than 6700XT lol...
@@Kaygoooo I mean it could always be worse, like nvidia drivers on linux
@@serrapi_ Actually the Linux crowd should be cheering over Intel making discrete GPU market, their driver stack makes AMD look like Nvidia by comparison.
@@TheFriendlyInvader I still think its too early to make any assumptions. I expect basic desktop support to be on par with their iGPU drivers. But gaming and compute support are still big unknowns at this point.
Perfect cards for a media center. I hope they do well, honestly.
I never thought of that, you're right, that's a perfect use case. Where you at, Optimum Tech? ah who am I kidding, he's probably at the gym...
Well if even 10% of LTT subscribers buy ARC Alchemist cards & laptops then Intel's already guaranteed 1.5 Million in sales. Maybe double that to 3 Million if 1% of every other TechTuber's subscriberbase buys Alchemist.
I certainly hope they do at least well enough to make a (hopeful) comeback next gen, and while still maintaining lower pricing.
Price competition is a must (on the CPU-side as well, really), because everything is prohibitively priced at the moment.
They'll probably have prebuilts with these cards inside. So I think they'll be fine. Also, this might be the first time in like 5 years that a GPU at this point isn't the same performance as an RX 580.
I think it can improve with software updates. Miners were interested in the ARC due to the large bus. So far, it's a dud there too.
This kind of transparency from Intel is very refreshing. I hope to see more of that all around the industry
They're breaking into a new market, as an underdog. They don't have a choice. Once they're established, they'll be as scummy as Nvidia.
@@Ichibuns it is still refreshing and I still hope to see more of that all around the industry
@@Ichibuns And if they do that we drop them.
Transparency? Intel completely ignored the existence of AMD in all their presentation regarding this GPU. Don't fall for this, Intel still a corporation with gimmicks like AMD and Nvidia.
@@LiThiuMElectro (TL;DR is below) That's because AMD also has a better value for money than Nvidia and Intel is just one of them trying to take on them and not to mention compete with them, it doesn't make them greedy, and focusing on Nvidia also means that Intel with more maturity will manage to match them and beat AMD's counterpart in Productivity (which already did) and I'm sure they are not ashamed to say that in their presentation at any point and also helps them mature in other areas like XeSS because Nvidia leads in DLSS and in both Drivers and Productivity so Intel taking on them will benefit them for when they eventually.
so kind of a TL;DR: Just because Intel didn't compare them to AMD gpus doesn't mean they are suddenly greedy in their GPU Division, and it also benefits them to target Nvidia (3060 in this case) because with Maturity, they can eventually beat AMD for gaming and Match Nvidia with Productivity, Super Sampling and Gaming. Not to mention competition also brings lower prices and more choices.
Also Intel has compared to AMD in their cpus if shamely and unfairly but also had the audacity to compare their 13900K to 5800X3D even if again the same way and as others said, Transparency in their GPU does benefit Intel alot with the community not to mention linux support as well benefiting the community surrounding it if vague but hopefully changes, if they actually get greedy in their GPU Division and turns into OnePlus all over again, we drop them out
Not in the market for a high-end GPU, but I'm really excited to see what ARC and AMD's new offerings bring to the table. Finally seems like it's starting to get exciting again.
I used to think 200 bucks was high end
Can we all appreciate one thing here.... Intel honesty is amazing in this Arc launch, the way they showed the good and bad games, they way they say don't buy our GPU if you don't have a rebar CPU, the way they talk about difficulties they facing in drivers.........
Something I didn't see Nvidia or AMD do other than showing best case scenario like up to 4X, or 50% better that are only in one title and don't show the bad ones lol
I will be honest, I have been a bit miffed with the driver issue and other problems reported, (Gamers Nexus review does a great job addressing these), that I have decided not to buy a A770. I wanted a month to finalize my build, waiting for these reviews specifically.
With that, I like what you said. Well stated! I am not likely to buy one, sadly. I really like their design and possibilities but in all honesty, I just want to play some games and not worry about drivers, etc.
I bought an A770 16gb for a Christmas build for my daughter. I’m really impressed almost no issues so far. I don’t really play any direct x 11 or under games. The RGB software will crash my computer occasionally, but besides that no issues whatsoever in its current state
I'm willing to give ARC GPUs a go when they launch, I did the same when swapping from a 2060 to an RX 6600 just out of curiosity. Plus unlike Nvidia and AMD it is within my budget with seemingly great performance. Glad we've got red team, green team and finally blue team in the market for the true RGB experience
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So with these cards primarily targeting DX12 and Vulkan, Id love to see some DXVK and VK3D comparisons. These could be well-valued future Linux gaming cards .
Yeah I was thinking the same hopefully someone will put out review. Anyway for us running a rolling release of Linux, Linux 6.0 is now! Even people on none rolling releases most likely have options for installing mainline kernels. I use Arch btw. :p
Forgive my ignorance, but could Intel not just get their shit together and add native DX9-11 support? I don't know about everyone else, but old games are 99% of my library, so a card that can't make them run even faster is a card I don't see a point in buying.
Really, it was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard older DX titles were not so good on ARC.
I feel the Linux community would make a large portion of customers buying Intel GPUs.
A SteamOS partnership might not be amiss. Offer PC Gamers great performance per dollar without the overhead of Windows.
Unfortunately competitive multiplayer games will still probably be windows only for the next several years still due to issues with anti cheat
These GPUs in a few years after some driver updates are going to be comparable monsters I think. Especially once Intel adds native DX9 through DX11 support to their drivers.
@@wojtek-33 well then I simply won' buy one.
@@wojtek-33 That is really stupid. DX9 is required for 2000s games.
@@wojtek-33 I do think DX11 should be higher priority, but having DX9 on a cheap GPU is smart
I have an Intel Arc A770 16Gb when it first came out ,I knew about drivers and bugs in the software but as time as gone on they are getting better and better and I am very happy with it for the price.
Glad to have a third player in the game that actually looks compelling for once. Not just the hardware side, but I'm sure once drives & other features like XeSS mature, we can finally get more cross-platform collaboration instead of feeling like we have to stick with one proprietary solution (e.g. FSR, DLSS). Once all the wrinkles are ironed out I really want to see how the whole lineup performs, this is really impressive for a first-time outing.
Dlss is widely supported and most of it relies on hardware, so its better, since all devs already use it
Unless Intels GPU thats here is going to be adopted XeSS
Isn't FSR open-source?
FSR is open source
This whole DLSS/XES/FSR reminds me of PhysX - amazing technology for its time, that got killed by adoption of only single manufacturer.
I am REALLY curious if the cards could benefit from running through DXVK rather than intels own translation layer.
What’s DXVK?
@@MadandMajorGaming0 DirectX Vulkan, basically the technology that powers proton on Linux. Is actually been available for windows as well, and some games actually benefit from it.
Unfortunately it's seldomly used on the windows side.
I've been wondering about the same thing. Someone should test if there is any difference in performance when running games like CS:GO through Proton
Definitely, Linux native OpenGL games get obliterated by their Windows-Proton versions. A good choice if Valve decides to go with full-blown consoles again
This. I would buy it instantly(at a price close to msrp of course) if it ran games great on linux with dxvk and if they continue to support linux because fuck w11.
Honestly, I think that Intel has done a great job so far with their GPUs, though they're not as good as the competitors, at such a low price I'm pretty sure they beat out everyone, to be honest. Not to mention this was literally their first time making a stand-alone GPU, I think that there's a lot of promise in these new cards.
Don't care if they're as good, they just need to be competently in a relatively decent range. Because if they are then only idiots would opt to keep paying nvidia(granted that wont even be an option much longer since the 4k series is the last series) stupid prices when you could get a pretty good card for half the price. Not even AMD phobia will be able to prop those jackoffs at nvidia up anymore
@@victorkreig6089 what are you even saying lol
@@MedievalSolutions I thought literacy was required to even own a phone at this point
Go back to school I guess
@@victorkreig6089 Where in the hell did you see the 40 series is the last series lmfaoo
For a first gen....its actually pretty solid thing. The community has the chance to support some actual glimpse of competition...let's see if they follow through
I am super excited that Intel is getting in the game and having to start on the back foot isn't necessarily a bad thing. This may seem trivial but the thing I am most excited about with Arc at least for now is the fact that they were able to maintain the two slot design. I am so tired of not being able to use the vertical amount option in my PC case because new cards are getting too thick
I call this a good first attempt by Intel. Not really expecting them to suddenly came out on top but within the expectations of what the card can offer atm. But as a solid start it's a decent card. I hope things get better with second gen Intel and I hope first gen gets better driver support in the future.
its a.. ok start. They're still behind. 2nd gen is going to have to compete tho.
They are also at least trying to be price competitive for the performance on offer. It does seem kind of insane that dozens of the top games by player base are still running on graphics APIs from a decade or more ago.
START? a start after TWO DECADES of trying to make it in the gpu game??
@@lasskinn474 Well AMD was in the same spot so I’m not worried, I’m glad intel is in the market
@@lasskinn474 new director, new vision, new direction, new start. What you expect them to jump the gun after 20 years with different CEOs? Still better than duonoply.
If they'd have only show up at the peak of GPU demand they'd have been the big winner. Now it's going to be an uphill battle.
They've been battling uphill for a long time, now the hill got steeper.
well if intel stays cheap i hope intel wins. but if nvidia changes their mind and go back down to like 600-900 then i’m down for it.
@@shadowsniper708 I think that nvidia cards getting cheaper can only happen if power consumption goes way down, and I think nvidia has to have that power consumption to have an edge on amd this year (rdna 3). And if people don't buy the expensive ones… But people do. I wanna see lovelace performance under a mucn lower power target, that's where the money's at.
@Spots Corner I'd advise to wait a few months, see the where the market settles after rdna3, but if the a770 works for you and you need a gpu now for work, go for it
the problem was a silicon shortage, would have affected them just as badly.
Please do a Plex transcoding benchmark for us. A lot of us are excited to see what these larger cards can do with QuickSync, especially considering that QuickSync does H265/HEVC to h264 much better than nVidia.
You’ll have to do the keylase patch on the 3060 machine to ensure an apples to apples comparison, but I would be jazzed to see Intel Arc doing QuickSync on a more powerful card.
Seconds this it would be a good benchmark in the current times.
Agreed. This could potentially be an excellent plex card
My understanding is that Plex hasn't been updated yet to use these GPUs. I agree that it would be great for Plex, but I don't think Plex is able to use these yet (despite similar architectures).
Given its linux support will have no backport, and most users run plex on linux, might be a bit. Linux Kernel 6.0 arrived few days ago, and isnt going to be LTS. It usually takes 6-8 months before we see a kernel drop an LTS version that is picked up by a major distro, usually Debian or Ubuntu. As Linus said, its like releasing new hardware RIGHT NOW for Windows 12, and Windows 12 only.
@@n0k0m3 Have you seen any forums posts confirming that it does work?
I read one that said it isn’t currently working despite the similar architectures and features. It sounded like the plex team was blaming Intel for not having completely functional drivers, which were needed by Plex to run.
It was only one post but it was the only one I could find about someone actually trying an alchemist card in Windows and it failed.
Let me know if someone has it running though because that would be great!!!
11:19 - and right now ARM support is not yet on the roadmap... so no chance of Arc on Pi quite yet 😢
I wonder how the DX11/DX9 performance would look if DXVK were used. It's what we use with Wine/Proton on Linux to play DX11/DX9 games, but it is actually a regular DLL and *should* work on Windows too.
That would be interesting. I suppose we could get some theoretical numbers once someone is able to get linux up and running with an A770 (after the kernel 6 and other driver hurdles are overcome)
I feel like DXVK and D9VK would improve performance dramatically; instead of emulation, the system would translate graphics calls like WINE translates system calls.
It has to do better. My mind went straight to that when they said its gonna be emulating DX9. Too bad, Intel is gonna support Kernel 6.0 and above though so clearly it could not be tested. Or it didnt matter to much to them to test it. I wonder which channel could...
@@ark_knight kernel 6 is out i bet in a week or 2 arch will habe it
@@ark_knight My point is that DXVK should be able to run on Windows, so we needn't wait for kernel 6.x. It should be as simple as dropping the DLLs from DXVK's GitHub into the game directories.
I really think they should revisit the Arc cards because my goodness have they come a long way in a short time in terms of drivers
You know why I might give ARC a shot? My #1 reason? A true 2 slot card design. Its been ages since a actual 2 slot standard video card has been available and this is important for a lot of niche form factors. That alone has me excited and I’ll happily take a lesser performing card if it fits those physical requirements.
6700xt reference? 660xt reference?
The card it's designed to compete against is also 2 slot?
There are plenty of two slots cards already. Linus has even one sitting on his desk lol
Now if they also have naive support for a cuda counterpart, then homeland everywhere will rejoice
Literal sapphire pulse card is smaller
I hope the gpu market finally gets the competion it needs
Not bad for first swing at getting in the market, despite issues. I really hope they get competitive in the GPU market and we have three vendors to choose from. Definitely will be watching RDNA3 launch and pricing.
I did my dissertation at University in DX11 and compared to DX9... the structures are nothing alike. It's completely different. It gives the programmer way more control and you can squeeze more performance outta it but... translating from one to the other isn't a trivial task.
The fact that the Linux drivers were merged into the latest mainline release is not too surprising. That's how all new features hit the mainline, and usually precedes backports to the stable branch. It's quite likely you'll see driver support in various distro vendor kernels with versions lower than 6.0 as they do hardware enablement updates.
Comment award for not knowing what the fuck I just read.
@@aspirevelocity9296 attempted translation: in Linux, Features come out on the newest development builds first, before developers will make a version for older, more stable versions (such as what most Linux Versions today use).
I'd love to see them running the original half life. presumably being DX8.1 irrc, they'd both probably be translating, so it should give a benchmark of how well each can translate
I want to know about proton performance maybe it would solve some of its direct x woes.
@@lejoshmont2093 Yeah with what proton is doing Intel GPUs could be amazing Linux cards... if they supported Linux.
Run on sentence without a period.
@@Yupperzzzz Calm down, English teacher.
Anyway, I actually want to see Linus test the original two RCT games, which are DirectX *7* titles
Half-Life is DirectX 6... or OpenGL 1.1, or Glide.
I've been saying this for awhile. The intel cards are very interesting for mid range systems. I like them for a streaming box, a small form factor background workstation, a media center PC. I don't think I'd put one in my main system this generation, but I like them for secondary computers.
I was thinking this too, these cards look so strong with media encoding it's a no brainer for streamers, especially considering the pirce.
I have a 2060 now and have been pretty happy with it, even still, but when the 770 is back in stock at MSRP I’m pretty sure I’ll go ahead and get it. A few hundred bucks is well worth it to me to breed further competition.
I decided to replace my 1070 with the A770, let's get this competition going!
Give them a little more time because they are working on DX11 support. Head engineer said he is confident they will get it done but there was just a lot to do to get to this point. Watch for driver updates.
Can driver updates provide dx 11 support?
@@George_Bland Should be able to yes, its a programmable GPU, if they put in the time they should be able to get DX9-11 support working on the hardware, if they put in the time, otherwise we will always get a software solution
Pat Gelsinger also still sounds hopeful for discrete GPU too. He said on Verge's interview that he's pretty comfortable with the expected result of A750/770, and he's expecting next one to be better.
The only problem.... is the board. GPU will still be a moneysink for at least several more years, and Pat Gelsinger and Tom Peterson need to do alot to stave off board members and investors that may want Intel to cut off their losses. That's honestly probably the reason for the media blitz they were doing, they need something to show that tech communities are enthusiastic
Linus did remind us: Ryzen 1st gen had a crappy start.
Driver, Mobo and temperature issues made it a bad idea for an investment.
but due to people actually investing in AMD, it is now actually a compelling value against intel,
now Intel, being the GPU underdog, is now in the same boat.
as a streamer, I might actually consider their A380 as a stream card to take some load off the actual gaming GPU instead of repurposing an old rig which may take up space
@@candle86 BTW, the APIs of DX11 actually includes DX9 and 10.
so if they get DX11 to work, they're golden.
Given what you said about the DX conversion layer, it would be really interesting to see those games on linux with Proton. Could fix all the issues since their DX to Vulkan layer can even give you benefits with Nvidia hardware
I'm even more interested in OpenGL and Vulkan performance as there shouldn't be a performance loss. Who knows, maybe Arc has better CS:GO framerate on GNU/Linux :)
honestly as the most tech-savvy person in my fam and friends group, I think ill go for an intel arc GPU. Maybe it will increase competition in the future and I'm really interested in using it as an encoder when I stream too, those results in that category were pretty good.
I bought the Asrock A770. Cant wait to try it out. Not expecting a smooth migration experience, but I love to tinker. Cant wait.
I'll definitely consider this once I can see how it compares to my 1660ti. I barely play games anymore, so I cannot in any way justify buying any card more than $300. It's really relieving to see this competition. It seems like a great card assuming it's given the right conditions.
For those on the fence (like me, I have a 1660) I think the move is to buy a new intel card for the modern 1080p/ 1440p performance and keep your old card for older games for both compatibility reasons and for performance reasons. They are cheap enough that its kind of a wash for buying a more expensive AMD or NVIDIA card and selling your old card on ebay to make up the difference.
Bro you be struggling with a 1660Ti?
@@deezhutts my thought exactly? I have a m290x… and I’m not struggling. Genuinely interested in more feedback, my neighbors kids have the 1660, and they are looking for feedback.
@@deezhutts I wouldn't say I'm struggling, but certainly looking for a bit more performance and the added benefit of raytracing.
@@deezhutts a 1660 is not great. It's pretty annoying to cap out at 30fps in modern titles, and not having ray tracing.
I love watching things about computers I can't afford. Pure entertainment
Edit: also that sponsor bit at the beginning is hilarious
Ah me too
Releasing
It’s 289 lol
Bruh you can afford it with a minimum wage job ffs
@@Juanguar without taxes maybe
@@Juanguar first, this was just a general statement about LTT videos recently, especially with all the new CPU's and GPU's that are kinda expensive. Secondly, not necessarily true for people who have a lot of debt or medical bills that keep them from being able to afford it.
Phoronix had a great time with this on Linux. Yes, you need a bleeding edge kernel and mesa currently, but that will sort itself out eventually as distros roll out new releases.
@@Batwam0 how old was your card?
@@murphy7801 my RTX 3070 stopped working when I updated to the new Nvidia drivers, I had to roll them back to get everything working again
Dudes, look at it that way, the Arc A770 16gb OC is on par with an 2080ti that cost 4 times as much only a couple years ago at launch and is about twice the price now. I am definitely going with intel this time around. Especially after the crazy price ficing from amd and nvidia. I still dont care for RT even though I used to own a 2080ti.
For tomorrow's live stream I'd really love to see an RX 6600 system included in the results. Seeing as in many cases the 6600 performs better than the 3060 at a way better price.
Its crazy how comparable they are and nvidia card is still like $100 more lmao what a joke. AMD is really hitting hard
a number of the other reviews do cover it and, while ARC seems to look okay against the bottom of NVidia's stack, it's absolutely murdered by AMD at the same price-point.
@@ahettinger525 Which is sort of funny, because people buy the 3060, not the 6600s in real life. It's a mess, you'd think people would pick the 6600, its a better card for gamers, at a better price point, but I guess people really do care about those "software features" and the "AMD drivers bad" meme does real damage
@@Girvo747 Probably because of DLSS, it's literal magic. FSR still has ways to go
@@dieselbaby i don't know men, dlss on a midrange card ? Nvenc, again for what. Which streamer uses a 3060. RTX Voice, Ray tracing for a select few games. Call me cheap but in my mind this is a lot of feature fomo. You would not miss any of that when you save 100 bucks and go AMD 🤷🏻♂️
I would gladly buy a A770 16GB and put it on a shelf, if I could afford it. I feel like supporting Intel in this endeavor is important!
If Moore's law is dead is right this is going to be the last high end card from Intel and this is going to be a collectors item that Linus is going to talk about 10 years from now.
It would be even better if you could put it in a system and feed back to their driver teams, I wouldn't be surprised if we could see some sizeable gains from driver optimizations in the future.
Intel doesnt need your money.
Would love to see this competition combat nvidia!
Would be better if you actually use it and report bugs to them.
I'd be interested to see how performance changes if you were to play an older game with proton. The conversion to Vulcan might actually increase the GPUs preformance
Yeah I think this card will be perfect for gaming on Linux, proton allready converts older directx to vulkan.
Kernel 6.0 is already available in Arch testing repos. It won't be long until it is in the core repo and therefore available for arch based distros like Garuda, Endeavour, etc
The Linux OpenGl drivers are insanely good on those GPUs too. So CSGO on Linux should run way better than on windows
@Spots Corner I have a 12700k and a RX 6600 XT on arch.
Seriously considering selling my AMD and buying the A770 because I am really curious how it will run under proton with DXVK.
It is likely that DXVK is a lot more optimized than whatever intel is using to translate old DirectX calls on windows.
All I know is Im not going back to NVidia with their closed-source drivers. Terrible experience on Xorg.
Well I love mine, Performance is now all there with latest Beta driver, issues all fixed for me and the ability to customize the 96 L.E. D. lighting,way cool! I designed it to animate like in Tron but has a red Cylon eye quickly scanning all around the card! Love this card!
I think competiotion is competition. It might not be good right now but both NVIDEA and AMD will be watching intels GPU closely. And when the Intel GPU develops into a somewhat competition it's going to make a price difference in other GPU's. Just having Intel on their heels means they need to stay focussed and can't just do everyhting they want.
Intel will definitely increase the price. It is priced like this now because it is not complete. AMD on Nvidia heels brought us even more expensive stuff. Unless Intel can change the mindshare.
[I think competiotion is competition.]
competiotion ≠ competition
Capitalism is just amazing.
@@Atheist7 I wanted to make this comment lmao
@@smilloww2095 LOL!!!
I really like the idea of getting a lower end Arc card as a co GPU for video encoding.
👍🏽
Honestly this is the most interesting development in tech since OLED for me, I sincerely hope they keep making GPU's
[12:30] I completely understand your perspective on the Intel Arc GPUs. It's true that having more competition in the GPU market is beneficial for consumers in the long run. And Intel's approach to features like ray tracing and AI acceleration does make them stand out in certain areas. However, the performance issues in older games, especially when running DirectX 9 titles, are definitely concerning.
[08:42] The comparison with AMD's Radeon 6600 is interesting, especially considering AMD's recent improvements in driver support and overall performance. It will be fascinating to see how Intel addresses these challenges and whether they can gain more developer support for their features like XeSS.
[09:38] The AI performance capabilities of Intel Arc are impressive, and I can see how that would appeal to users who prioritize AI-related workloads. But it's also essential to consider more traditional use cases like gaming and encoding.
[11:30] The lack of Linux support is unfortunate, as it limits the potential user base for Intel Arc. Hopefully, they'll expand their support in the future to accommodate more Linux users.
[13:26] Your call for enthusiasts to give Intel Arc a chance is a fair one. It's essential to support competition in the GPU market, as it can lead to better pricing and innovation in the long term. However, users should also be aware of the limitations and potential issues before making a decision.
In summary, Intel Arc shows promise in certain areas but has some challenges to overcome. It's worth considering for specific use cases, but users should research thoroughly and be prepared for potential compatibility issues in certain games and operating systems.
Love the idea of having another competitor in the GPU space. I’m rooting for Intel, and I really love the design of these cards
Intel sucks, and Raja Koduri is an clown ! So ..........
Sadly but design is only thing that Intel do how we was imagine that can be done and tbh these cards are very very nice for consumers eyes but as i said thats all.
I am seriously considering an A750 on my streaming server if it supports virtualization. I think the emulation groups will definitely support these cards too and Steam OS is built on Arch, it should be one of the first to support these cards
Thinking the same thing. Grab one for my streaming VM.
When you guys talk about virtualization, are you talking PCI pass through or SR-IOV?
@@a5cent PCI Passthrough for me.
@@Drew_Koch Okay. Any GPU can do GPU passthrough though (Nvidia admittedly involved some clunkyness). Mostly just about BIOS support. Why I was confused.
I am hoping for SR-IOV support, without licensing restrictions and great compatibility with lookingglas. I would instantly buy this if that was offered.
Those media encoder numbers are very nice.
If DaVinci Resolve, OBS, and maybe Adobe will support these cards. That would make them compelling options for a new build.
Thank you Linus and team.
These seems like a really solid card for creators.
I would guess that OBS would be quick to adopt it especially since they just released AV1. Even if not OBS specifically, Xaymar's StreamFX has had AV1 for a long time and I'm sure he'd love to try to get an AV1 capable card to work with it.
I'm also really excited about Intel's AI processing features. Seems compelling.
How long until we know if they’ll support them?
@@Adlata maybe because M1 Mac Mini is an Apple product and some people (like me) don't want anything Apple?
@@Adlata because that costs much more than these cards, is less compatible with non-Apple products and can't really play games (cuz there are none)
AV1 was enough for me to buy one :) I just love that codec. I skipped VP9 so for me its a huge jump. Making sure my files don't get bigger, even tho i got a new camera :)
what tf is this comment
@@TheBestShirt Are you ignorant to what the codec is? It was literally mentioned in the video...
I'm definitely going to be one of the people who buys the A770, as I really want to support them and what they are doing. Of course my frames won't be higher, but supporting them through this transition is what makes and encourages them to continue onto a Gen 2 of the products, which will then continue onto where regular people will hopefully consider them against NVIDIA and AMD.
Honestly, it's this kind of attitude that moves the market forward and drives innovation. Sadly, I tried this with Stadia for the last 2 years and it didn't work out so well.
Or... you could buy a different card for $100 less and have better performance.
@@zachstraw8832 honestly that's just Google though. Google likes to randomly kill products all the time.
Kinda weird take supporting Intel who has decades of history trying to suppress competition out of the game.
you're going to support this multi billion dollar corporation? Good luck bro, why don't you come down out of the clouds.
If you guys could run this on Linux tomorrow, I'd be highly interested to see how DXVK and Wine stacks up againt Microsoft's DirectX 9 emulation
Phoronix has some benchmarks up for that.
@@DarioCastellarin ...but linus using linux is always funny. and intel seems to be better on linux than nvidia.
They can still test DXVK performance on Windows, since it's distributed as Windows DLLs. (So, for example, you could drop it into Final Fantasy XIII.)
It looks like Phoronix compares Intel's Linux OpenGL against Zink but I didn't see anything of DXVK vs DX9on12, do you have the link?
@@Formedras yeah that would be interesting too
I would consider using A770 and A750 for a 2nd PC for streaming and video editing. My concern is how long are they willing to support this if they don't meet their sales goals.
honestly AMD and INTEL just cant really compete when it comes to streaming and editing. CUDA support and NVENC are uncontested in the creator space
A couple months ago When Steve from Gamers Nexus had an Intel graphics engineer for a video on ARC he was quite clear that Intel is committed to this long term. Here it is ua-cam.com/video/8ENCV4xUjj0/v-deo.html
You don't enter the gpu ring and expect to take over. This is an extremely difficult market to compete in. Even AMD when they beat Nvidia still struggle to sell the same. Hopefully Intel has a 4 or 5 year plan here and perhaps can corner an area of enterprise. Either way for me the better company is AMD. RDNA over ARC..ARC over Nvidia greed.
@@wojtek-33 Yeah, getting some major RX 5000 vibes here (IE: Only really targeted the mid-stack and lower)
Hopefully Intel can get their situation working better for Battlemage with a RX 6000 style surge.
@@fillmainlol5973 lmao what? Did you watch the video? He literally has benchmarks on there for h264 and h265 encoding. I didn't say it was terrible or anything but Intel quicksync already exists and while it can get the job done for streaming and video editing but its not NVENC. Maybe if you're just hobbyist then sure but NVIDIA features for creators are just better right now. A LOT better