History of WWI Primer 062: Russian Contract Winchester 1895 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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Winchester Model 1895
Last of the Classic Lever Actions
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Allied Rifle Contracts in America
Luke Mercaldo
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"I can't be held responsible for what you learn in fiction." Othias
That's a great quote.
When InRange compared the 1895 to the Mosin in the mud, the 1895 actually won because of how well it's sealed from the elements when the action is closed.
From what I hear it was actually the snow and cold that started show the guns having issues.
Where did you hear that?
@@sharkfinbite I heard they were very popular amongst the Russians, suggesting they worked well
@@flightlesschicken7769 If the Russians say a weapons is good, then its good.
Unfortunately, that only works when the action is closed, which is great and perfectly valid until it's fired and needs to operated. And given how the entire bottom of the receiver opens up into a perfect mud scoop, and how fiddly and horrible Mosin clips are at the best of times, and that the bottom has to be open in order to load, I'm not holding my breath on its capability to keep mud out when it's actually being run in a combat scenario.
To be clear, I'm not saying their test is invalid, because it's totally fine for a "oops, I dropped my rifle" scenario. I'm just saying that the test shouldn't be taken as gospel; it has limitations, which must be accounted for when using it as a tool for evaluating a firearm.
Ian: Gun Jesus
Othias: Pope of Gats
Mae: Our Lady of the Range, Patron Saint of Sea Cowboys.
That is all.
Excuse me sir, do you have a moment to talk about the Gospel of Browning?
Lol and based /k/arl the Baptist in Operating
What would Mark be?
Larry Vickers: the archangel
Would you like to talk about the book of ruger?
It amazes me that when John Browning designed this, he wasn't even at the peak of his design prowess. Within 30 years has weapons would revolutionize handgun, shotgun and machine gun design
We are so lucky to have C&Rsenal. Their content is some of the best on YT of any kind.
daww
5 yrs later I still and even moreso fully agree
Hear hear!!!
Mae on the Winchester 1895 : 'Steampunk as heck,' 'Dope,' and 'Lady-boner town.' That sums up the romance of the Winchester 1895, and cements Mae's reputation as a discerning women of rare quality, one who is magically wise beyond her years.
When I was very young my dad's deer rifle was an 1895 Carbine in .30-'06. I was, if I remember correctly, about 7 when the steel butt-plate of that shortish, loud .30-'06 first kissed my skinny shoulder. About the time that I was old enough to qualify for Utah's 'big game' (aka Mule Deer) hunting license, Dad got a CMP Springfield '03A3 and the 1895 Carbine was loaned to me. Many years later, I happened upon a 1990s Japanese made Winchester 1895 in .30-'06 and quickly arranged ownership.
Baldwin locomotive works was at that time the world's largest locomotive producer. They were building and shipping Russian designed locomotives, known as "Russian Decapods" since Russia lacked the capacity to build as many as they needed. These locomotives themselves have a pretty interesting wartime story and, like these rifles and contract Nagants, a bunch ended up getting stranded by the revolution and the US government bought the unshipped locomotives out from Baldwin.
The factory image you show is the older factory on Broad Street, and while they still used that during WWI most of production has been moved to a huge 200 acre plant in Eddystone by 1912. This is the same plant where Eddystone built M1917 Rifles were made.
as someone who re-watches old primer episodes at random, I really appreciate this little recaps of past episodes when it's relevant
I think this gun is romanticized so much is that it mixes a lot of things that already have a lot of hype: lever guns, Winchester, Teddy Roosevelt approved, John Browning, Russian hardware. It couldn’t get any better unless it was somehow also built by the Nazis
And it is featured heavily in Battlefield 1. The rifle in that game kicks ass.
Right. That is a lot of things coming together. Oh, and it actually worked rather okay does not hurt either.
Nazi captured, that would be it. Then there would be lore about how the Germans preferred them over their own rifles.
Ha, that would defiantly do it.
You joke but... 1895s were issued to the Volkssturm at the end of WWII.
Am I alone in saying this baby is the most beautiful lever action aesthetically?
Mr. Quarters especially if you can see one that is in fairly new condition that still polished up and has all of its blowing yes one of the most beautiful Firearms ever made
Still being made as far as I know by Howa in Japan. And absolutely beautiful in the hand as well!
Jeffrey Root I thought they only made the shittier 1886?
The company is Miroku and they were still making these in small batches fairly recently. They do add a tang safety and rebounding hammer to them, but they work very nicely if you can put up with those. You can also find slightly older ones made by Miroku for Browning that don't have the added safeties and are about the closest you can get to a factory new 1895 for a (sometimes) reasonable price. I've shot a sweet saddle ring carbine in 30-40 that has the tang safety and rebounding hammer and it didn't bother me much, although the magazine follower had to be slightly modified to hold 5 rounds (it had a limiting tab on the bottom, probably a holdover from one of the rimless cartridges that they make them in). I've also shot one of the old Brownings in 30-06 and other than the safety and hammer (and that limiting tab issue), they were both identical in fit and function. It would be awesome if someone could convince them to do a run of replica Russian models in 7.62x54r, even with the added safeties, I'd bet they'd sell fairly well just because of the caliber.
@@jeffreyroot7346 I didn't think Japan had any arms manufacturing at all. If it's almost impossible for your average civilian to own a gun there I can't even imagine how much paperwork there is to manufacture them
You guys mentioned Baldwin Locomotive Works and that they moved a bunch of rail equipment to Russia, and I'd just like to provide some more specifics on that for those who might be interested. Much like with armaments, Russia's railways were ill-prepared for the war, relying primarily on small 0-8-0 and 2-8-0 locomotives for freight service. A 0-10-0 locomotive was developed (Class Э) but was only in production at one factory. So, the head of the Ministry of Railways proposed ordering 2-10-0 locomotives from the US. Russia ordered what would be known as the E Class locomotives from various American and Canadian locomotive manufacturers over the course of the war. Baldwin was, obviously, one of these manufacturers, building the Еф subclass (ф for Philadelphia, where Baldwin was based). Another manufacturer was Alco (the American Locomotive Company), building the Ec subclass (c for Schenectady, where Alco was based). The first order 400 Class Es delivered in 1915, thus why the rifles were shipped through Baldwin. A second order for 475 more was made and delivered in 1916 - these became subclass Ел due to some changes that were made between the two orders. A final 500 more were ordered in 1917, but the Bolshevik Revolution put a stop to that, with around 200 already-built locomotives undelivered. These were rebuilt for US track gauge and locomotive standards by the United States Railway Administration, and sent out to be used for freight service on a handful of US railways, where they became known as "Russian Decapods."
I admire both Othias and Mae for their diligence and truly teaching us all about history. I never knew there were so many different types of pistols and rifles and their series on weapons of The Great War was fascinating! And it is always interesting to have a Winchester shooting a Winchester!!!! Thank you Mae and Othias for teaching us all and they are truly deserving of our support.
Отличная винтовка! Одна из лучших как по мне... Она еще встречается у охотников в тайге, но как правило патронник сильно изношен, и они намазывают патроны парафином, чтоб извлекались лучше....
coated the cartridges with paraffin ?
nice trick, thank you !
Very Interesting - Thanks ! ! !
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"I am sorry I keep beating that drum; it's my drum, and I am going to play it." I love you, Othais. XD
Mae's smile while shooting on the range always makes my day.
I only stumbled upon this vid just now. I have a Russian contract 95, with approval stamps, that turns 102 years old in March this year. Shot my first moose with it, too, even did a couple shooting competitions (like your 3-gun) for the heck of it. Still one of the most accurate guns I have and definitely my favourite of them all. I grew up with it, since my dad has had it from before I was born, and last year I "inherited" it by getting it licensed to me.
Just came to say, that the action on mine is a lot smoother than it seems to be on your specific one, so Mae is right about it being just the gun. And the rifle I have was bought to my family from an old army officer, who went through the Finnish wars, so the likelihood of the gun seeing combat in our civil war, Winter war and Continuation war is very high. After all these rifles were given to the Finnish reds by Russia, as the shipments came through Finland before ending up in Russia.
Othias should go for the Rasputin beard when reviewing anything Russian.
RA RA Rasputin......
Rasputin reviewing guns would be unique because he could act as both the reviewer and the target.
"But then...wa...I was poisoned, beaten, shot and thrown into Neva" :-D
I would rather he go for Czar Nicolas II's beard instead and God bless the Czar and America
Pà
"And if I get me patented plastic pokey hand . . . "
Great to hear a recommendation to check with Indy Neidell regarding Russian financial problems, and . . .
Mae is a good shot.
Goddamn, the Savage 99 musket is a beautiful gun... I wish that NY had selected that rifle so maybe they would be actually attainable on the surplus market. (Not to mention sending troops to Cuba with something a little more modern than a trapdoor Springfield...)
The thought of how many of those Quebec contract guns probably got butchered into deer rifles makes me want to cry.
Ya I wish they had to, although it probably was good we didn’t send soldiers to fight on the sandy beaches and the muddy jungles of cuba with a lever action lol
Wish they adopted the 95 Instead
Would have been much more preferable
I always liked this rifle. I have fired a few of them and even the ones in poor condition I liked and saw they could come back to full function with work. I was about ready to get one of my own and then that damn game came out and the price jumped. Damn you game developers. now I have to wait ANOTHER decade to get my rifle.
Da comrade, I understand your problem and have solution!
Join white army cavalry and you may have one of these for free.
try being Left handed you'll appreciate a lever over a bolt
gun jesus is left handed
But everyone in the army is right handed tho
@@thearchiver4458 pressing X for doubt
Oh HELL YES. I *hated* trying to work the bolt on my buddy’s Mauser, thought it was just maybe a quirk of the gun, then hated trying to work the bolt on his Mosin even more. F*** that arm motion.
@@willrogers3793 use your right hand to work the bolt. Its not that bad
This channel like Ian’s teaches me to care about things I wouldn’t have otherwise
That’s why I love these channels so much. They broaden my horizons
The first .30 caliber deer gun I ever shot was a Winchester M-1895 Musket in .30 Govt./30-40 Krag.
REED POND Well now you’re just bragging.
How was it hunting deer? Good knock down power?
@@ford9339
30 gov (30-40 Krag) is similar to 30-30.
This would’ve put a tear in ol' Teddy Roosevelt's eye.
I truly admire the way Mae can keep that smile
Othias telling a child a bedtime story:
"One upon a time, there was a beautiful princess, yada yada yada yada, and they lived happily ever after with the royalties"., :-P
"Once upon a time, a beautiful princess' hand was offered for marriage. A committee was formed to decide what features the prince should have. They debated for months then submitted their recommendations. Not all princes' could fulfill the requirements, so opted out. Finally, after much testing, two were selected. Evil Brigadier General Crozier said, "They must pass the ordnance board's review; mha-ha-ha-ha. Oh, the power!", which they did not. In the end, War Were Declared." Good night.
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Great posting, thanks once again! Dun
P.S. Met a guy hunting in Colorado long time back. He was using a Model 95 for deer and as I recall it was in .30-06. I liked it so much it inspired me to buy a then-new BLR in .308. Seems there were a few of the 95 Winchesters around then. Now, with another 50 years on them, not so much.
Excellent video guys! I really like the way you addressed the oft-repeated myth of pointed bullets in a tube magazine. I believe that falls into the category of having been repeated so much that it became fact. Almost every lever-gun related video I've watched on UA-cam claims that Winchester 1895 used a box magazine so that it could chamber pointed bullets. Or another variation is that the .30 WCF was designed with a round nose instead of a spitzer to avoid primer detonation -- but the reality is spitzers did not become prevalent until after the introduction of the 30 WCF or the 1895 Winchester. Spitzer ammunition was only adopted by the majority of the world's militaries a full decade after the introduction of the 1895. Almost all early versions of late 19th C. military cartridges had round, 200gr+, round-nosed projectiles. So by that logic, it is impossible that Winchester went to the box magazine to eliminate the possibility of chain detonations.
I think a real great way to hammer the point home would have been to show a comparison with the 1886 Lebel which was indeed a TUBE FED military rifle which chambered Spitzer cartridges (i.e. after 1898). The possibility of a chain detonation was mitigated by the use of a grove on the rear of the cartridge which prevented the following cartridge to align itself with the primer.
To conclude, I have to say that enjoy your videos immensely. As someone mentioned earlier, the educational value you bring to the table with these videos is appreciated by many. The fact that this is a research-based history channel is the reason it has recently become one my favorite UA-cam channels. Keep up the good work!
You can't call something a myth that happend too often with tube magazine rifles.
Arshin length actually differed in time, but when war were declared it was standardized as 0,7 meters
Nice work guys. And nicely explained on both it's pros and cons.
And of course huge kudos to everyone involved in getting this old warhorse up and running again.
Literally this is the only channel where I get genuinely excited every other Tuesday
My grandfather carried one of these during the Spanish Civil War!
eric3844 I wish I could thank him for his service
Thank you. Not many did after he immigrated to the us. He kept it hidden for a long time
eric3844 It’s a shame how people fighting against an inherently evil ideology were vilified and even imprisoned upon returning from combat or escaping abroad. Even today, they’re given no recognition, and that’s a crime. What exactly was your grandfather (politically speaking,) if I may ask?
He a nationalist or a republican if you don’t mind me asking?
lol at the political buzzards trying to base if grandpa was ok or EEEEVIL based on his side, "hey thanks for his servic- oh wait he was a filthy republican? ? REEEEEEEE HELICOPTERS HELP ME FRANCO"
With your bit about the "pointy bullets in tube" situation, I definitely have to agree with you. On top of your points, even firing pins sometimes fail to set off primers properly and they're purpose-made to do that.
I love to own one of these in 7.6254R, its my favorite cartridge all time
I was going to say how I felt that the 1895 would be able more suitable for forceful unlocking more so than a Mosin but you guys did a great job addressing that. Great episode
When the lever gets run dry it sounds exactly like every lever action sound effect I've ever heard.
The sound of that action cycling is just ... I don't know what, but it's amazing.
I think the big wow about the stacked mags was you can load fast with a clip easily. they do make clips for a tube magazine but you have to have a quiver like a bow lol. they make them for a .22lr they're cool if it's all you can use in a place like California
I have one! It is beautifully over complicated, over engineered, mechanically and historically very interesting rifle. It is definitely imperfect which is exactly why I love it. In order to just remove the bolt, you need to open a screw and punch out a pin. Disassembly is a complicated procedure. But it's history and character is what I like about it and I totally understand that from military point of view it was not as popular.
I always felt that if browning wanted a lever gun adopted he should have strove to simplify and minimize the action rather than just cover it up.
Mmmmm, been waitin' for this one. If I have to choose between a Mosin and this baby, well, I'm not allergic to Mosins like a lot of folks out there but I think the choice is fairly obvious. "WAR WERE DECLARED" *Runs across the room to turn the volume down*
First high powered rifle I ever fired was a 95 in .30-40. plenty old enough to collect social security, it had feed issues, rim lock kinda stuff bad enough to inspire "buck knife adjustments", and plenty colorful language by the owner. He also had a krag rifle, of course, lol (it was the early 70s, after all.). I actually preferred the krag, even as a cowboy boots lusting snot dripper. Later on, my best pal inherited a similar vintage Savage 99 commercial in .30-30, and that rotary mag, even at pension age, had lunar reliability. I honestly see neither as military suited. Maybe on ships, but rifles is to navy as brass knuckles is to army, lol.
Ian Malcolm did a mud test with the 1895, and it did pretty well.
Fantastic episode! I love lever guns, and have a later-production 1895 Winchester in 30-06.
I just love this show I re-watch old episodes and learn more every time you guys have great content and I love the work the channel does!
Probably one of the most underappreciated rifles of the Great War.. I would simply love to have one.
Hollywood needs to cast Dale Dye (the captain in Platoon) as Browning before he dies.
and a certain cop I know as Crozier. They are identical.
Might surprise you but Browning was a serious, humble and very pious man.
I love showing people (particularly *no such thing* fudds) this video in particular.
Othias, youre soothing and educational, never stop
WAR WERE DECLARED! I love this channel. I really look forward to these videos dropping. Your videos are better than cable.
Long have I waited for this very moment, and now, my prayers have finally been answered!
A fantastic rifle! Mine has the MP8 cartouche on it and came back to the US from Spain once upon a time. Great shooter, too! Great vid, lots of info!
Great as always
Been thinking about getting this rifle to add to my collection, great to know all this detailed history before a buy!
It's important to factor into the equation that the Russian side of the war was NOT entirely trench-based and there was a fair degree of movement, long distances. Often flat distances. If we're talking about train warfare, as opposed to trench warfare, I think things look much better for this rifle.
Da you neglected to mention the secret missions I undertook using my telekintic superpowers.
Thank you so much for this review been waiting for the coolest lever action
Love this channel. Othais & Mae you are epic!
I know the lever actions are not so good in my head, but my heart will always belong to them
I've never clicked on a video so fast
My God what a satisfying reload action!
Possibly the most accurate rifle in Mae's hands yet.
YES. I've been waiting for this one!!
Finally! Another rifle. I love your channel but the montage of pistols for the past couple months had me taking a break. Glad to be back though.
Another Great Video, Thank You!!
Thanks for the history
Love this channel. Big fan of antique firearms.
Don't know if you see these comments so long after filming but here goes. The Baldwin Locomotive Works is Eddystone. In other words, the P-14 and M-1917 rifles were made there in the locomotive works which were located in Eddystone, PA. Maybe this had something to do with the Win rifle contract being run through them? An interesting book "The Last Tsaz" details the guns used to murder the Tsar and his family. They mention a Winchester with bayonet, a Colt no. 71905 and a Mauser (C-96) no. 167177 with shoulder stock. All of this is in the for what it's worth category.
Been looking forward to this one.
The Savage 1899 was so much more suitable for military applications, much simpler and more rugged design. Amazing it was passed over due to politics.
Very nice - Thanks ! ! !
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Really like your perspective.
If they had only made a detachable mag. version not for military sales alone but for civilian sales..I want a takedown in .405 myself Yet another great video !
Great episode 😎🤝👍
I love the way Mae grins anytime she gets to make something go bang.
Excellent review. If you have an old firearm that's gunked up try running some gasoline through them. Cleans them right out.
Also remember the era these guns were designed and how they were used.
In America and Europe the in the late 1800's and early 1900's the primary, or only, individual transportation was the horse. The lever gun lends itself to scabbard carry being a slim design that fits under your leg. The lay person in Europe couldn't afford to own a saddle horse being mostly urban dwellers, but in America the majority of rural dwellers could, which was most of the population. This weapon would have been ideal for mounted infantry particularly in Africa or the near east. It saw service in .405 for the Texas Rangers.
I had a friend who owned one and I had the opportunity to shoot it. A very nice rifle.
Thanks again.
Great job as usual. Look forward to your chirstmas swag.
I love lever guns. I am left-handed.
Great show.
>lever nugget episode
For so long I have waited. Kudos to Mr. Novak for his work on it, is an Anvil episode in the future for it?
Group effort. Othias has a bunch of time in it also.
Oh right so otias has some gun fettling skills himself too, your videos are pretty great too mark, more please
Audibly gasped when is saw this on my feed...
So this is what the bane of my bf1 existence looks like up close.
Da, glad to find a fellow soldier from the great war.
Tell me comrade, did you serve the motherland honorably?
Did you aid our brothers in the white army in our battle against the Godless communists?
This rifle is one of the coolest, honestly.
SO glad I found your channel! Subscribed!
I have 3 of these 1895 one Musket in 7.62x54R and one small bayonet and two large bayonets for it , I have a sporterized version also in the 7.62x54R and a carbine 30/40 Krag love the action and the way they shoot .
Watching this again after InRange's WWSD series, I can't help but wonder what Browning could do with modern materials and manufacturing quality/techniques at his disposal.
Hey Othais, thank you for all the educational value you put in you're videos. Thanks to you I have a better understanding on how and why weapons were developed and procured for militaries. I also have a better understanding thanks to you're footage what is meant when talking about snappier recoil. Ian from Forgotten Weapons and you have done a lot for my understanding of guns. So *Thank You Sir.*
Now I have a question: How came that you are so good at what you do?
Finally the long anticipated Winchester 1895, beloved by fans of a popular video game. This did not disappoint. Wish these two weeks would go by fast. And nice job on the Russian names.
What game?
Love it.
Had a good friend years ago that had one that he said it was one he carried in Nicaragua while in the Navy in 1930s [ think it chambered 30-06
I like your opinions. It's good to hear for every side and viewpoint.
Thank you
One of my favorite rifles
I had the opportunity of giving this thumbs up no 762. Very apt for this rifle.
I love the heck out of this gun just due to it being a lever gun in a full sized cartridge and if feeds from a stripper clip, its just neat.
Sea Cowboy
Oh nyet you didnt!
You rang?
Inspektor of Boats
Black Sea Cowboy
PickelJars ForHillary
HAAAH!
I *actually* lol`ed xD
I've been looking forward to this video. This rifle has always fascinated me because the Russians really wanted an obsolete mechanism rifle because they had nothing left.
Mae should've absolutely did an Indiana Jones-esque sadface while demonstrating the safety.
Holy shit a C&Rcenal video that comes out when I DON'T havr to decide between watching and sleep, awesome!
in Latvia, as far as I know, these things don't have very good reputation. Its said they were hard to load while lying on the ground, and they also were less reliable in mud and snow and rain than Mosins. I remmeber when I was in Latvian war museum in Riga, the guide told ''its a rifle for American prairie, not cold swampy land of Eastern Europe''.
craby man I read that the lever would pull snow into the action. Where it would melt when fired, then refreeze. I live and hunt in Virginia, I would have never thought of that problem.
true problems of rifles will only appear once you have slept with them in a frozen foxhole for a week. In a clean civilian range, everything will work perfectly, this is where military rifles differ from civilian ones.
craby man Absolutely.
oooh good point
Othais senpai noticed me, lol
It’s been 5 years! Doesn’t seem like it at all, keep it up!
Two All American beauties in that shooting segment!
Yay! All the lever-gats are together now! :3 though I wonder if it's crossed your mind to make different playlists that group together different guns, like let's say an all 32 ACP playlist, a Lee-Enfield playlist, etc... only a thought.
This did really well in the mud test.