C&Rsenal, you really, really, DON"T have to apologise for the topic of your episodes. We'd be happy to listen to you guys talk about the navy issue cudgels... Seriously, can we have an episode on the cudgels?
How about a WWI hand to hand weapons show with the cudgel in it? I mean there are already a few and a lot of the weapons were improvised. So you get some hand made looking shanks, cut down rifles, shortened pistols, "Mills" Bomb with nails wired around it...etc. I'm sure with Othias's talents he could make one of the best ones out there...I'm just worried when he hands the cudgel to May if she decides to test it on that MAN-SIZED! noggin of his???
Episode was one of my favorites. Personally as an ex-sailor, the image of someone doing a boarding action, swinging around corners, clearing spaces with a lever gun is just cool.
Othais:"Aaaaand we're back to cowboy." Mae:"On a boat!" *makes a face like this :D* That adorable scene will probably not leave my head for quite some time.
" we actually got to buy ammo on the shelf for once" Christ I know that feeling you know when your gun collection is nothing more than rare obscure rifles/pistols
@@samiam619 Funny me too! Though I could find 50rnds for $36.+ something($12.00 a box of fifty 'green' once at a 'Land of the Sky' gun show for four or five) still reloading was obviously going to be axiomatic and what an adventure it turned out to be. And it was about 1995 I got my first Rossi .44 WCF to replace the M94 that was stolen from me.
My dad's collection has advanced to the level that he proactively has reloading dies for oddballs he hasn't yet acquired. One day I'll get to his level haha
This is why I only want to buy antique firearms I can easily buy ammo for at any gun store like a 1903 or winchester 1890. The mess and pain of finding either the ammo itself or materials to handload it myself is too much
Incredible weapon. I got one of this model 1892 from a good friend who passed away. Manufactured in 1895 according to Winchester records. It's like new. Cartridge 44-40 has great power. Hugs from Brazil.
0:16:00 Mae displays the classic "goofy Winchester grin", an unavoidable symptom of vintage levergun handling... take 3 boxes of 200 grain Keith's and call in the morning, lol.
It actually makes sense when you think about it. Bolt actions, especially mauser style front lockers have those recesses in the receiver and the lugs can just compress mud up in there until the thing wont lock. Browning's design, while wide open, has unobstructed straight channels for a locking surface and the locking blocks just slide through and sweep them clear of debris. As for the rest of it, there are plenty of places that mud can get into but not much that can really get jammed up by the mud.
wingracer 16 The fact that the exterior hammer continued to function was pretty amazing though. But even if it were to be obstructed, it wouldn't have been difficult to just wipe that mud away.
Yeah, reliability and firing prone issues were non-existent with lever guns, invented after the fact to try to explain why there were so few in military service.
You've earned an easy episode! Love you guys! Even if I've fallen behind in episodes! Mae... taking a man's hat is crossing a line. I have had my hat taken from me in the past, and it was a very emotionally distressing event. My friends didn't understand the depth of my hurt. Hats are special to those who define themselves as hat-wearers.
Don't apologise Othais, as someone from the UK the rifles you take for granted over there are something we don't often have over here. I especially liked the detail and impartiality you went over the Mosin with, as most UK viewers will never have even seen one in real life.
I find this episode enlightening. Owning three original '92's one in 44-40 and one in 32-20 and a sixteen inch barreled Rossi/Puma copy in .44 Magnum I can attest that these are some of the best well balanced carbine out there. Probably faster action than the same era bolt action rifles. You guys do a splendid job of describing these firearms as used in the Great War. Thank you.
Love Mae's hat and it really works...in a couple of ways apparently. Mae - "On a boat!" First time I've seen Othias stopped in his tracks. Much chuckling from this inhabitant of the Great White North. Mae is adapting, coming out of her shell whatever, over the past 50 episodes and she is a delight to watch. Girl's got a fan club I'm sure. I'm in it. My favourite moment in the whole series was a few episodes back with Mae's siren-banshee laugh when Othias got binked on the head by a cartridge thrown out of pistola while drawing down on a bead at the range. I LMAO and when I heard Mae's mirth-filled laugh so I ran it back a couple of times to hear it again, and LMAO each time. Thank you, Mae.
Once upon a time, my wife and I were gearing up to compete in cowboy action shooting... Then 2008 hit and brought an end to the gun buying spree. Before the market crashed and extra money grew thin, we accumulated a small cache of cowboy guns- a pair of Stainless Ruger Vaqueros (.357 Magnum), a Norinco copy of the wonderful Winchester Model 97 hammer pump (and it slam fires, too), and lastly but most notably- a 16" Puma copy of a Winchester Model 92 chambered in .357 Magnum that happened to be stainless (for the black powder metallic cartridges I was loading- made cleanup a little easier). My wife loves that little carbine. It is extremely fun to shoot .38 special black powder metallic cartridges out of- the smoke, the smell, the curly-que sparks flying out of the barrel... It's hard to describe just what makes it so fun, it just is. As for the gentleman riddling the submarine with one in .44-40, all I can think of is how much they despised the Wolf Pack, that when they caught a straggler in the trap they were merciless with it. I can imagine the pent-up rage that was being released on the submarine's topside crew members with the small arms fire. As for the episode, thanks! It was fun and informative.
Having read a lot about that era of warfare from people who wrote about their experience, he was most likely shooting at the crew that were bailing the submarine.
My wife's grandfather carried a Winchester 1892 carbine in 32-20, in the North Woods of Wisconsin as a game warden with a matching revolver in the 1920s & 1930s. It allowed him to carry only one cartridge into the woods. It is the smoothest operating gun that we own with almost no recoil. The gun is so smooth and the tolerance are so tight, mud and dirty would definitely jam the action. Law enforcement of boat boarding parties is where this gun would shine since wars are not fought from horse back anymore.
I have a copy of the Winchester 1892 ( a Rossi R92 in stainless Steel ) in .357 mag. I love shooting it. All the internals in mine have been polished and slicked up. I really enjoyed this episode, thanks for sharing it.
Close quarters, rapid fire, good capacity, I can certainly see this was seen as a good weapon for ship boarding actions (or other close quarters fighting) when sub machine guns are not available.
And a couple more secrets. 1. The 1892 is a takedown easily packed in a bag for parachute operations. 2. Close corder fighting with limited ammunition and/or time of engagement.
As war weapons go, this gun is better than a pistol for boarding actions guards and other secondary line jobs. The US M1 Carbine of WW2 was built for similar uses.. Loading less than a full magazine might avoid hard loading he last rounds. It also would be easier on the magazine spring. I was told today, even M16 mags are loaded a couple of rounds short of the official 20 or 30 round capacity. This makes the mags "just work" when it counts. More great work by the lovely Range Hand, Mae.
Every time this show teaches me something new and unexpected. Like how an old west leveraction could enhance my knowlege about the Pals Battalions.. Amazing and intriguing as always!
I am just about to subscribe to your channel because your presentation is great, and I will look out for more videos! Regarding the subject matter, I have recently had the proof that what I thought was a Winchester Buffalo Gun, actually was! I had been thinking I must have got it wrong back in 1968 when my Dad took us to the American History Museum at Bath 🇬🇧 Since finding out about the Centenniel Rifle, I am in love with it! ❤❤❤❤❤❤
The is nothing to apologize for, the 1892 was and is a neat rifle. and as you said used in combat in the great war. I love Mae, you guys are a hoot to watch together.
"dang decent sights". Period correct terminology, well played. This was a neat little episode. I had no idea that lever action rifles were used in WWI. Cheers!
I always appreciated how similar the ballistics of the obsolete 44-40 & 38-40 and the cutting edge 40 S&W/10mm were. Definitely seems like they reinvented the wheel on that one.
In my best After school special voice "I learned something today". cudg·el1 /ˈkəjəl/ noun a short thick stick used as a weapon. synonyms: club, bludgeon, stick, truncheon, baton, mace, blackjack. I love everything designed by JBM. I bought a Rossi 1892 kind of sorta repro knowing I would need to tune it right out of the box. The design is so good that even Taurus cannot screw it up. The 1886/1892 is near perfection in design. I've lots of cool toys to play with but the 92 manages to come with me to the range more than any other.
I have a 1892 4 digit serial number which is a 1st year production rifle, 24 inch octagonal barrel with heavy patina in 44-40 . It groups about the same at 70 to 80 meters. Very hard to find shootable originals over here in Australia. I love this rifle. 👍👍👍👍👍
You have the popular story of the 'Pals Battalions' here Othias. In actual fact these were raised by local bigwigs and presented to the War Office to be formally incorporated into the new army that would replace the original BEF regulars and territorials. The War Office did not want these tightly local units and would have preferred them to be split amongst new general regiments but the local politicians who raised them had the political clout to force them through. What the War Office feared was what actually happened. If a few hundred soldiers were casualties in an action but were spread around the country the losses would be locally diluted. If they all came from one town the losses would have a bad impact upon the town. Be certain that the 'Pals Battalions' were not what the War Office asked for, nor wanted.
Pioneer columns that went into Matabele land carried many Winchesters of various models. If one want to find most older m66, 73 and 92 Zambia and Zimbabwe is the place to look. Native Police forces under the British and Rhodesian command also used them. If they deserted ,only they had ammo for it.
I've ceased to be surprised by how many times John Browning's name keeps popping up. It seems like every time a new problem presented itself, Browning came up with a way to address the problem. What was so unique was that no two designs were the same, His solutions were simple, practical and elegant not to mention timeless. Like Mauser, we still use Browning designs today.
Love the episode. Cowboy Mae, Boat Inspector. Ian's series did a nice job of explaining the evolution of the design, and this episode taught me some things I didn't know about Q ships and shipping inspection. Time well spent.
I think the reason for the 45 pistol cartridge was to have only one sort of ammo for all your gun needs if you're a frontiersman. 45 for your pistol, 45 for your rifle. Which means you save money buying ammo, but more importantly perhaps since it's a lightweight pistol cartridge you can carry allot of it on you at any one time. but I'm sure you knew that. But great episode, perfect gun to highlight for the 4th and a great gun in general.
That's what I was always told. When I was planning on Cowboy Action Shooting, I made sure our rifle and pistols were chambered in .357 Magnum so I only had to load .38 Spl blackpowder cartridges. Yeah, we needed 12ga also, but reloading one type of round greatly simplified things. I chose .357 Mag instead of a more traditional caliber because I shoot .357 in several other weapons. Again, just trying to keep it simple.
Christoph Hofland Actually they were .44 caliber. Winchesters were not chambered in .45 until modern times. .44 WCF aka .44-40 in Colt revolver and Winchester rifle.
Trench storming with that actually has appeal to me. This is a time when a sub-machine-type gun is a rare and cutting edge technology, if my choices are a pistol, a bayonet, or this thing (possibly with a bayonet) I'm picking this thing.
It actually wouldn't be to bad in the trench for a commander or someone. I own an 1892 in 44/40 which I have tried it out at longer ranges And 100 yards it takes a bit of time for the round to get there and the sights aren't the best at long range but it does still give some good force. And in the trenches you won't have the action open so mud won't affect it. As a main arm for the average soldier it wouldn't be the best but for a secondary or a commander in the trench that just needs a closer range gun it would be awesome Either way, great episode!
A lever action would be an excellent gun for the sub fighting application described in your video. Since the surface vessel tactics were to lure a submarine into surfacing and coming alongside giving the captain of the surface vessel time to let him get him close and takeng the torpedo tubes out of the fight. And since semi automatic and sub machine guns weren't very common in World War I navy's, you would love to have some thing with enough ammunition loaded to drive the German gun crew away from their 88 mm deck gun. And since that deck gun was an island out in the middle of the deck of the submarine with no cover for the gun crew, you can imagine that they yielded that territory very quickly when 1/2 dozen or more rifleman with 12 round magazines open up on them. The riflemen only needed to maintain a level of fire that was enough to keep them away from the navel gun.
my understanding was that they were also carried by the Royal Flying Corps, hence the term "going Winchester" meaning they had extinguished the main armament and all that was left was the Winchester. I've not ready any first person accounts but I from what a read it is still used at least in the UK Army Air Corps into modern times, at least according to Ed Macey's books (Apache et all).
I do feel like the 1892 has potential for “trench raids”. The range of the cartridge isn’t an issue and it’s far easier and more rapid rate of fire than a bolt gun. Furthermore the lack of recoil would allow more rounds to go down range accurately but fast. I think as long as you not “in the trenches” you would be fine. I don’t see the mud or going prone to be a big issue during a raid. Then again I’ve never tried raiding a WW1 trench so what do I know???
Loading tip, don't fully insert the cartridge into the magazine tube. Allow the extraction rim of the cartridge to protrude from the loading gate and use the rear of that cartridge to guide your next cartridge into the magazine tube. This will reduce wear on your thumb from the loading gate and with practice makes loading a quick operation.
Me after watching a C&Rsenal video: "Wow it's so simple! If I wen't back in time I could totally make this. _10 minutes later_ "What's a gun?" Quite the testament to how good Othias is at explaining the inner workings of these firearms. :P
REMEMBER that winchester repeaters had an advantage in the old wild wild west. Many handicapped people loved them , later soldiers without an arm could operate it with ease, another was that in total darkness you could load it quite easily too ! That's why I own 7 of them from .38 special to 32-40 and 30-30 been lookin for a 25-20 🤔
Wow. Totally not expecting this and yet, I feel not unsatisfied. Completely overlooked guns of the First World War are what sets you all apart. Keep it up! Just hurry up with the Springfield 1903 and others already! I wink as I say this.
Othais, in regards to peppering the uboat, post 3 pounder. That is a very small gun. it basically punches holes, with minor blast joy added for flammables and such. the hits prevent diving, maybe even disable the deck gun, but don't do much for kriegsmarine pouring out of hatches with homicidal intent. 80 .303s, 36 .455s, and an even dozen .44-40s sound quite handy then, lol. Imagine the treatment the Germans would expect from the qship crew, so their resistance would likely be quite fierce
Hope next video be the Winchester 1894 or 1895 Otais... Also wish if is possible a Colt Single Action Army video or a Colt 1903 Hammerless or a Colt 1902/1903 Pocket Hammer or a Colt New Service next episodes please. Greetings from Mexico.
Hey, this was a really fun show. Sometimes the bounce along story hits a lot if great little tones and is just satisfying. This is one of those. Thanks.
I feel there’s not much on UA-cam about the history of Marlin. I’m glad Othias (spelling???) has mentioned marlins influence on Winchesters design. It provides context I’ve never heard elsewhere.
TheGoldenCaulk they may do the '94 first. they might also do the ones the Turks had-were those Yellowboys or 1886's (I always forget) though it wouldn't make much sense to go backwards.
around 21:30 when you talk about this being "a bit of an underwhelming episode" actually I for one am riveted. I have a Brazilian copy of the '92 and am amazed they had (however small) a hand in my favorite war
I see lots of people talking about how these things blow everything else out of the water for trench raids and such. (I've even seen a woman on a forum asking why the British weren't using them instead of the Martini Henry.) But what about when it comes to reloading? Hand loading with no clips or magazine seems bothersome, not to mention carrying a load of loose rounds in a pouch through a trench . And that's a single raider with a private purchase gun, I see real floor with general issue. I have this picture of a officer asking the Germans to hang on for 20 seconds while his men reload. But maybe I'm talking bollocks, I don't much about them.
Honestly, short of a Sub Machine Gun, this is likely the best rifle for storming trenches, you are not going to reload any rifle while doing such a thing, so that's a moot point, the thing is that the 92 can cycle faster then anything else short of a automatic [that includes the Lee] and 12 rounds on tap is useful, and at trench range, a full power rifle and a handgun cartridge are both powerful enough to easily do the job. Mud would only be the real problem, but when the action is closed, it's very well sealed.
Anprime: I wonder if the going prone thing is overated. I've done some experimental archeology/re-eanctments in WW1 trenches. Going prone would be a bad idea , one the stuff that ends up at the bottom of even a clean trench is somewhat foul. You would also be immobilised and the target of any boot, from whatever side, of the people around you. Even under controled conditions a trench melle is not for the faint hearted, you get bruised cut and battered. That's without any intention of actually fighting for your life.
I would say the best trench-storming firearm was a Luger Langepistole. However, I would definitely rather have a Winchester lever-repeater than most any other long arm available at the time if all I had to do was storm a trench.
i didnt find this show underwhelming at all! great episode. i had no idea this gun was used as a weapon of war during ww1. way cool! mae! dude! DUDE! get a long little doeggie!
Mae Winchester loves Winchesters! (Thanks, granpaw)... Looked like a toy in Othias's mitts, but hey. I now, though, am stuck with the image of a U-boat kapitan's look of amazement as a sailor in mufti points a cowboy gun at him and hollers "Fill your hands, you son of a Fritz"... Priceless ❤️.
C&Rsenal, you really, really, DON"T have to apologise for the topic of your episodes. We'd be happy to listen to you guys talk about the navy issue cudgels... Seriously, can we have an episode on the cudgels?
Agreed. It was a great episode, just needed less apologizing.
How about a WWI hand to hand weapons show with the cudgel in it? I mean there are already a few and a lot of the weapons were improvised. So you get some hand made looking shanks, cut down rifles, shortened pistols, "Mills" Bomb with nails wired around it...etc. I'm sure with Othias's talents he could make one of the best ones out there...I'm just worried when he hands the cudgel to May if she decides to test it on that MAN-SIZED! noggin of his???
Didn't Ian and Karl due an episode about hand-hand trench weapons- daggers, spades, and hob-nail studded cudgels?
They did do that episode on InRange, it was pretty good.
Indeed. Just give us more weapony goodness.
Episode was one of my favorites. Personally as an ex-sailor, the image of someone doing a boarding action, swinging around corners, clearing spaces with a lever gun is just cool.
1. Do it
2. Film it
3. On a Sunfish
John Moses Browning is one of the great geniuses of the last 200 years. His influence on modern history is unmistakable.
And yet outside of the Gun community, hardly a soul knows, just us, and the mormons and those wierd extra nerdy guys.
Othais:"Aaaaand we're back to cowboy."
Mae:"On a boat!" *makes a face like this :D*
That adorable scene will probably not leave my head for quite some time.
Forgotten Weapons: *finishes a series on Winchester rifles a few weeks ago,* C&Rsenal: "But wait! There's more!"
The best part of both channels existing.
" we actually got to buy ammo on the shelf for once" Christ I know that feeling you know when your gun collection is nothing more than rare obscure rifles/pistols
KAMERON ROUGEOU I only have one common caliber ammo in my collection 45/70
This is the caliber that got me into reloading. At the time, 1995, Winchester was the only company that made 44-40 at about $50 for 20 rounds...
@@samiam619 Funny me too! Though I could find 50rnds for $36.+ something($12.00 a box of fifty 'green' once at a 'Land of the Sky' gun show for four or five) still reloading was obviously going to be axiomatic and what an adventure it turned out to be. And it was about 1995 I got my first Rossi .44 WCF to replace the M94 that was stolen from me.
My dad's collection has advanced to the level that he proactively has reloading dies for oddballs he hasn't yet acquired. One day I'll get to his level haha
This is why I only want to buy antique firearms I can easily buy ammo for at any gun store like a 1903 or winchester 1890. The mess and pain of finding either the ammo itself or materials to handload it myself is too much
Incredible weapon. I got one of this model 1892 from a good friend who passed away. Manufactured in 1895 according to Winchester records. It's like new. Cartridge 44-40 has great power. Hugs from Brazil.
Mae would be the best cowboy-on-a-boat/boat-inspector ever
So... A pirate?
Maciej Pociecha I'd pirate so hard!
Thebluebridgetroll I can't agree with statement any more then I do lolXD
Mae Winchester brace of flintlocks or blunderbuss?
Somebody please draw this
I love my 92 in .357/38 spec. It is a wonderful shooter!
The chemistry between Othais and Mae at the end is adorable.
As for the mud claim, Ian and Karl did a mud test with the Winchester 1895 and it worked fine.
Thomas Kwei it did get spectacular
0:16:00 Mae displays the classic "goofy Winchester grin", an unavoidable symptom of vintage levergun handling... take 3 boxes of 200 grain Keith's and call in the morning, lol.
Ian did a mud test on an 1895, it did WAY better then any bolt action they've done including the garbage ro.. uhm mosin.
Its also a different action so...
Seth N. the 92 94 and 95 designs are closely related.
Open the action and try it again, see which one still works. It wont be the 95.
@@6h471 Well, you're half right, the one still working will be none of them.
Mae was grinning while shooting this one... she DEFINITELY has the best job here. Thanks again for another great video.
Reference the 1895 mud test Inrange TV did when you get to the 95. The 1895 actually has done better than most rifles have in the mud test.
Jake Ford I saw that! It blew my mind. I can't believe how well it did.
It actually makes sense when you think about it. Bolt actions, especially mauser style front lockers have those recesses in the receiver and the lugs can just compress mud up in there until the thing wont lock. Browning's design, while wide open, has unobstructed straight channels for a locking surface and the locking blocks just slide through and sweep them clear of debris. As for the rest of it, there are plenty of places that mud can get into but not much that can really get jammed up by the mud.
wingracer 16 The fact that the exterior hammer continued to function was pretty amazing though. But even if it were to be obstructed, it wouldn't have been difficult to just wipe that mud away.
The best rifle in the Russian army. Probably next to the Arisaka.
Yeah, reliability and firing prone issues were non-existent with lever guns, invented after the fact to try to explain why there were so few in military service.
You've earned an easy episode! Love you guys! Even if I've fallen behind in episodes!
Mae... taking a man's hat is crossing a line. I have had my hat taken from me in the past, and it was a very emotionally distressing event. My friends didn't understand the depth of my hurt. Hats are special to those who define themselves as hat-wearers.
Don't apologise Othais, as someone from the UK the rifles you take for granted over there are something we don't often have over here. I especially liked the detail and impartiality you went over the Mosin with, as most UK viewers will never have even seen one in real life.
NOTHING underwhelming about this fascinating episode of firearms history. Great subject, great presentation.
This episode is both wonderful and charming.
Mae has an infectious smile!
Winchester marathon for July! Woo!
Lucas Hagg to go with Forgotten Weapons marathon
I find this episode enlightening. Owning three original '92's one in 44-40 and one in 32-20 and a sixteen inch barreled Rossi/Puma copy in .44 Magnum I can attest that these are some of the best well balanced carbine out there. Probably faster action than the same era bolt action rifles. You guys do a splendid job of describing these firearms as used in the Great War. Thank you.
Love Mae's hat and it really works...in a couple of ways apparently.
Mae - "On a boat!" First time I've seen Othias stopped in his tracks.
Much chuckling from this inhabitant of the Great White North. Mae is adapting, coming out of her shell whatever, over the past 50 episodes and she is a delight to watch. Girl's got a fan club I'm sure. I'm in it.
My favourite moment in the whole series was a few episodes back with Mae's siren-banshee laugh when Othias got binked on the head by a cartridge thrown out of pistola while drawing down on a bead at the range. I LMAO and when I heard Mae's mirth-filled laugh so I ran it back a couple of times to hear it again, and LMAO each time.
Thank you, Mae.
Had a chance to fire one of these today. Problem is the owner wanted it back!!!
Once upon a time, my wife and I were gearing up to compete in cowboy action shooting... Then 2008 hit and brought an end to the gun buying spree.
Before the market crashed and extra money grew thin, we accumulated a small cache of cowboy guns- a pair of Stainless Ruger Vaqueros (.357 Magnum), a Norinco copy of the wonderful Winchester Model 97 hammer pump (and it slam fires, too), and lastly but most notably- a 16" Puma copy of a Winchester Model 92 chambered in .357 Magnum that happened to be stainless (for the black powder metallic cartridges I was loading- made cleanup a little easier).
My wife loves that little carbine. It is extremely fun to shoot .38 special black powder metallic cartridges out of- the smoke, the smell, the curly-que sparks flying out of the barrel... It's hard to describe just what makes it so fun, it just is.
As for the gentleman riddling the submarine with one in .44-40, all I can think of is how much they despised the Wolf Pack, that when they caught a straggler in the trap they were merciless with it. I can imagine the pent-up rage that was being released on the submarine's topside crew members with the small arms fire.
As for the episode, thanks! It was fun and informative.
Christopher Sturm wolf packs werent a thing in WW1. however deck guns were used alot so troops were on deck
Christopher: Wolfpacks didn't appear until World War TWO, when Donitz (sp?) introduced them.
Well I'll be damned. Never knew the rifle saw service in the war. Excellent work as always. Good watch before bed.
Having read a lot about that era of warfare from people who wrote about their experience, he was most likely shooting at the crew that were bailing the submarine.
My wife's grandfather carried a Winchester 1892 carbine in 32-20, in the North Woods of Wisconsin as a game warden with a matching revolver in the 1920s & 1930s. It allowed him to carry only one cartridge into the woods. It is the smoothest operating gun that we own with almost no recoil. The gun is so smooth and the tolerance are so tight, mud and dirty would definitely jam the action. Law enforcement of boat boarding parties is where this gun would shine since wars are not fought from horse back anymore.
High-capacity, assault-rifle in WW1? Sign me up.
I have a copy of the Winchester 1892 ( a Rossi R92 in stainless Steel ) in .357 mag. I love shooting it. All the internals in mine have been polished and slicked up.
I really enjoyed this episode, thanks for sharing it.
Close quarters, rapid fire, good capacity, I can certainly see this was seen as a good weapon for ship boarding actions (or other close quarters fighting) when sub machine guns are not available.
And a couple more secrets. 1. The 1892 is a takedown easily packed in a bag for parachute operations. 2. Close corder fighting with limited ammunition and/or time of engagement.
Reasonably quick reloads for rapid response..you don't nessisarilly need a full tube.
Mae was so cute in this episode and she looked like she was really having a lot fun doing it too.
I don't think Mae has ever looked anything less than absolutely happy when pulling a trigger.
In the case of the Reichsrevolver, that was probably just relief that the ordeal of cocking the damn thing was over. :)
As war weapons go, this gun is better than a pistol for boarding actions guards and other secondary line jobs. The US M1 Carbine of WW2 was built for similar uses.. Loading less than a full magazine might avoid hard loading he last rounds. It also would be easier on the magazine spring. I was told today, even M16 mags are loaded a couple of rounds short of the official 20 or 30 round capacity. This makes the mags "just work" when it counts. More great work by the lovely Range Hand, Mae.
Every time this show teaches me something new and unexpected. Like how an old west leveraction could enhance my knowlege about the Pals Battalions..
Amazing and intriguing as always!
I am very happy to hear that
I am just about to subscribe to your channel
because your presentation is great, and I will look
out for more videos!
Regarding the subject matter, I have recently had the proof that what I thought was a Winchester Buffalo Gun, actually was!
I had been thinking I must have got it wrong back in 1968 when my Dad took us to the American History Museum at Bath 🇬🇧
Since finding out about the Centenniel Rifle, I am in love with it! ❤❤❤❤❤❤
The is nothing to apologize for, the 1892 was and is a neat rifle. and as you said used in combat in the great war. I love Mae, you guys are a hoot to watch together.
"dang decent sights". Period correct terminology, well played. This was a neat little episode. I had no idea that lever action rifles were used in WWI. Cheers!
Just wait until the Russian Winchester 1895.
This Mae be my new favorite gun channel!
I always appreciated how similar the ballistics of the obsolete 44-40 & 38-40 and the cutting edge 40 S&W/10mm were. Definitely seems like they reinvented the wheel on that one.
What? I thought Othais was bald!
I should get a sexy rat shirt.
hi mom and dad
@@DysfunctionalBubble Because they stopped teaching it that way at some point..... I am certain there is a reason for that.
Regarding the submarine they were probably firing at the deck gun and bridge crews.
Best Episode EVER!!!
Let Mae be a cowboy!
Wot in Tarnation
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In my best After school special voice "I learned something today".
cudg·el1
/ˈkəjəl/ noun
a short thick stick used as a weapon.
synonyms:
club, bludgeon, stick, truncheon, baton, mace, blackjack.
I love everything designed by JBM. I bought a Rossi 1892 kind of sorta repro knowing I would need to tune it right out of the box. The design is so good that even Taurus cannot screw it up. The 1886/1892 is near perfection in design. I've lots of cool toys to play with but the 92 manages to come with me to the range more than any other.
I have a 1892 4 digit serial number which is a 1st year production rifle, 24 inch octagonal barrel with heavy patina in 44-40 . It groups about the same at 70 to 80 meters. Very hard to find shootable originals over here in Australia. I love this rifle. 👍👍👍👍👍
You have the popular story of the 'Pals Battalions' here Othias. In actual fact these were raised by local bigwigs and presented to the War Office to be formally incorporated into the new army that would replace the original BEF regulars and territorials. The War Office did not want these tightly local units and would have preferred them to be split amongst new general regiments but the local politicians who raised them had the political clout to force them through. What the War Office feared was what actually happened. If a few hundred soldiers were casualties in an action but were spread around the country the losses would be locally diluted. If they all came from one town the losses would have a bad impact upon the town. Be certain that the 'Pals Battalions' were not what the War Office asked for, nor wanted.
Lever actions are the most comfortable and natural feeling rifles ive ever shot. Always so fun to shoot.
Pioneer columns that went into Matabele land carried many Winchesters of various models. If one want to find most older m66, 73 and 92 Zambia and Zimbabwe is the place to look. Native Police forces under the British and Rhodesian command also used them. If they deserted ,only they had ammo for it.
Just before I start watching your videos, I press the like button. Just know its gonna be good :-)
Just for that I'm doing a top 10 list of dumb crap.
BRING IN ON! And I will like it probably thankyouverymuch
C&Rsenal Don't think I won't like the hell out of that.
I've ceased to be surprised by how many times John Browning's name keeps popping up. It seems like every time a new problem presented itself, Browning came up with a way to address the problem. What was so unique was that no two designs were the same, His solutions were simple, practical and elegant not to mention timeless. Like Mauser, we still use Browning designs today.
Love the episode. Cowboy Mae, Boat Inspector. Ian's series did a nice job of explaining the evolution of the design, and this episode taught me some things I didn't know about Q ships and shipping inspection. Time well spent.
I think the reason for the 45 pistol cartridge was to have only one sort of ammo for all your gun needs if you're a frontiersman.
45 for your pistol, 45 for your rifle. Which means you save money buying ammo, but more importantly perhaps since it's a lightweight pistol cartridge you can carry allot of it on you at any one time. but I'm sure you knew that.
But great episode, perfect gun to highlight for the 4th and a great gun in general.
That's what I was always told. When I was planning on Cowboy Action Shooting, I made sure our rifle and pistols were chambered in .357 Magnum so I only had to load .38 Spl blackpowder cartridges. Yeah, we needed 12ga also, but reloading one type of round greatly simplified things. I chose .357 Mag instead of a more traditional caliber because I shoot .357 in several other weapons. Again, just trying to keep it simple.
Doh, i forgot simplicity! thanks for adding that.
Christoph Hofland Actually they were .44 caliber. Winchesters were not chambered in .45 until modern times. .44 WCF aka .44-40 in Colt revolver and Winchester rifle.
I spy, with my little eye, an Winchester 1895. Not just any though...
indeed good catch almost didn't notice it my self there xD
Looks like it's ready to go!
most definitly the russian model 95
TheGoldenCaulk I swear you have the top comment on every new c&rsenal and forgottenweapons video
Phenixtri tbh I'm always looking for it, since it used to be my rifle.
Trench storming with that actually has appeal to me. This is a time when a sub-machine-type gun is a rare and cutting edge technology, if my choices are a pistol, a bayonet, or this thing (possibly with a bayonet) I'm picking this thing.
A c96 and a bayonet are what I’m picking
Mae is my favourite recoil queen/boat inspector/cowboy!
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Remington Rolling Blocks and Winchester 1892`s and 97`s -
it really was (wild) western front(ier)!
It actually wouldn't be to bad in the trench for a commander or someone. I own an 1892 in 44/40 which I have tried it out at longer ranges
And 100 yards it takes a bit of time for the round to get there and the sights aren't the best at long range but it does still give some good force.
And in the trenches you won't have the action open so mud won't affect it.
As a main arm for the average soldier it wouldn't be the best but for a secondary or a commander in the trench that just needs a closer range gun it would be awesome
Either way, great episode!
A lever action would be an excellent gun for the sub fighting application described in your video. Since the surface vessel tactics were to lure a submarine into surfacing and coming alongside giving the captain of the surface vessel time to let him get him close and takeng the torpedo tubes out of the fight. And since semi automatic and sub machine guns weren't very common in World War I navy's, you would love to have some thing with enough ammunition loaded to drive the German gun crew away from their 88 mm deck gun. And since that deck gun was an island out in the middle of the deck of the submarine with no cover for the gun crew, you can imagine that they yielded that territory very quickly when 1/2 dozen or more rifleman with 12 round magazines open up on them. The riflemen only needed to maintain a level of fire that was enough to keep them away from the navel gun.
my understanding was that they were also carried by the Royal Flying Corps, hence the term "going Winchester" meaning they had extinguished the main armament and all that was left was the Winchester. I've not ready any first person accounts but I from what a read it is still used at least in the UK Army Air Corps into modern times, at least according to Ed Macey's books (Apache et all).
My grandfather was a member of the Royal British Sea Turtle Assassin Squad.. Those little buggers are blood thirsty savages ...
That footage was of German submariners.... so apparently one of the merchant ships with a Winchester didn't make it....
Bartered away in a game of sweaty poker no doubt ..
I assume that’s some sort of euphemism for Q-ship crewman. I plugged that into google and just got a bunch of shit about saving the sea turtles.
I do feel like the 1892 has potential for “trench raids”. The range of the cartridge isn’t an issue and it’s far easier and more rapid rate of fire than a bolt gun. Furthermore the lack of recoil would allow more rounds to go down range accurately but fast.
I think as long as you not “in the trenches” you would be fine.
I don’t see the mud or going prone to be a big issue during a raid. Then again I’ve never tried raiding a WW1 trench so what do I know???
Mae in hat is a huge win!
Y'all's production values are always so nice and clean
Loading tip, don't fully insert the cartridge into the magazine tube. Allow the extraction rim of the cartridge to protrude from the loading gate and use the rear of that cartridge to guide your next cartridge into the magazine tube. This will reduce wear on your thumb from the loading gate and with practice makes loading a quick operation.
"it's so cute!"
not sure if you were referring to Mae or the gun lol
Loved it! I'll be honest I've been busy so I haven't been able to catch up on this series, oh man you guys put out! Quality too! You guys are great.
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Given the ammo shortage, I wouldn’t be surprised to see people start making ARs for Cowboy Action ammo.
This is one of the best episodes yet!!! :D Plus the gun is quite interesting too :)
Not an underwhelming episode at all. Very interesting. I like learning about the obscure weapons.
Great ep. Thanks for the data, the ride, and the fun.
Nice show! I like shows that go over things like this.
Me after watching a C&Rsenal video: "Wow it's so simple! If I wen't back in time I could totally make this.
_10 minutes later_
"What's a gun?"
Quite the testament to how good Othias is at explaining the inner workings of these firearms. :P
REMEMBER that winchester repeaters had an advantage in the old wild wild west. Many handicapped people loved them , later soldiers without an arm could operate it with ease, another was that in total darkness you could load it quite easily too ! That's why I own 7 of them from .38 special to 32-40 and 30-30 been lookin for a 25-20 🤔
This is awesome. You two are great together.
Wow. Totally not expecting this and yet, I feel not unsatisfied. Completely overlooked guns of the First World War are what sets you all apart. Keep it up! Just hurry up with the Springfield 1903 and others already! I wink as I say this.
Othais, in regards to peppering the uboat, post 3 pounder. That is a very small gun. it basically punches holes, with minor blast joy added for flammables and such. the hits prevent diving, maybe even disable the deck gun, but don't do much for kriegsmarine pouring out of hatches with homicidal intent. 80 .303s, 36 .455s, and an even dozen .44-40s sound quite handy then, lol. Imagine the treatment the Germans would expect from the qship crew, so their resistance would likely be quite fierce
Hope next video be the Winchester 1894 or 1895 Otais...
Also wish if is possible a Colt Single Action Army video or a Colt 1903 Hammerless or a Colt 1902/1903 Pocket Hammer or a Colt New Service next episodes please.
Greetings from Mexico.
Brilliant video, even better gun, for looks it must be the spitfire of the rifle world. Thanks for sharing.
Hey, this was a really fun show. Sometimes the bounce along story hits a lot if great little tones and is just satisfying. This is one of those. Thanks.
now I'm excited for the next episode
This is actually one of Your most interesting Videos. I like the story
I own one of these British issued Winchesters from WW1. Very cool story.
I have a 1892 saddle ring carbine in 25-20 . Thanks for the video !
Such a classy, clean, handy rifle.
I feel there’s not much on UA-cam about the history of Marlin. I’m glad Othias (spelling???) has mentioned marlins influence on Winchesters design. It provides context I’ve never heard elsewhere.
I predict a Winchester 1895 episode coming up…
*rubs hands in anticipation
TheGoldenCaulk they may do the '94 first. they might also do the ones the Turks had-were those Yellowboys or 1886's (I always forget) though it wouldn't make much sense to go backwards.
I'm hedging my bets on 1894 next and then the 1895, but that is assuming the 1894 was available.
TheGoldenCaulk, I saw you post about this subject earlier so I know just as well as you what is to come.
I sure hope they can find a Winchester 1894. Those are so rare.
around 21:30 when you talk about this being "a bit of an underwhelming episode" actually I for one am riveted. I have a Brazilian copy of the '92 and am amazed they had (however small) a hand in my favorite war
My favorite Winchester, the 92. Compact and light, perfect for pistol calibers.
Next series, Primer: cowboys and indians
bean 1 or Ninjas and Pirates.
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Inevitably, my favorite part of every episode I've watched has been; "War were declared!".......Wesley J. Warnke
I did not know that the M 92 served in England.
Thanks for posting, great work!
Love lever guns. Thanks for this.
I see lots of people talking about how these things blow everything else out of the water for trench raids and such. (I've even seen a woman on a forum asking why the British weren't using them instead of the Martini Henry.)
But what about when it comes to reloading? Hand loading with no clips or magazine seems bothersome, not to mention carrying a load of loose rounds in a pouch through a trench . And that's a single raider with a private purchase gun, I see real floor with general issue. I have this picture of a officer asking the Germans to hang on for 20 seconds while his men reload. But maybe I'm talking bollocks, I don't much about them.
Honestly, short of a Sub Machine Gun, this is likely the best rifle for storming trenches, you are not going to reload any rifle while doing such a thing, so that's a moot point, the thing is that the 92 can cycle faster then anything else short of a automatic [that includes the Lee] and 12 rounds on tap is useful, and at trench range, a full power rifle and a handgun cartridge are both powerful enough to easily do the job.
Mud would only be the real problem, but when the action is closed, it's very well sealed.
Don't forget shotguns, but I'd agree, its not a terrible option for trench storming.
Sedan: The German's considered the Shotgun to a most unfair barbabric weapon!
Anprime: I wonder if the going prone thing is overated. I've done some experimental archeology/re-eanctments in WW1 trenches. Going prone would be a bad idea , one the stuff that ends up at the bottom of even a clean trench is somewhat foul. You would also be immobilised and the target of any boot, from whatever side, of the people around you. Even under controled conditions a trench melle is not for the faint hearted, you get bruised cut and battered. That's without any intention of actually fighting for your life.
I would say the best trench-storming firearm was a Luger Langepistole. However, I would definitely rather have a Winchester lever-repeater than most any other long arm available at the time if all I had to do was storm a trench.
51WCDodge ... that's a laugh. the ones who introduced gas thinking a shotgun is barbaric.
i didnt find this show underwhelming at all! great episode. i had no idea this gun was used as a weapon of war during ww1. way cool!
mae! dude! DUDE! get a long little doeggie!
oh, and i like how othias just said "go watch ian" assuming everyone would know who he was talking about. because, like who wouldnt?
HAHA! What a 'coincedink': just picked up one of these in .45LC.
This made my Fourth of July!
Nice. That's exactly the cartridge I want one in.
Mae Winchester loves Winchesters! (Thanks, granpaw)... Looked like a toy in Othias's mitts, but hey. I now, though, am stuck with the image of a U-boat kapitan's look of amazement as a sailor in mufti points a cowboy gun at him and hollers "Fill your hands, you son of a Fritz"... Priceless ❤️.
This was interesting, I enjoyed it