The "Russian Winchesters" have been popular hunting rifles here in Finland. Unfortunately, many have been sporterized and changed to 8,2x54R or 9.3x54R wildcats because of the old moose hunting laws. After WW I most were sold as surplus, the Finnish Army concentrated on Mosins, they discarded the 1895 with same reasons as US Army.
@@stefanmolnapor910 The minimum caliber was 8 mm, to prevent using "military rifles and ammo", i.e to prevent Civil Guard members hunting with their issue rifles.
@@ristoalanko9281 why would that be a bad thing, just charge them for the damage to the rifle and a little more for the labor to replace whatever broke
Winchester did in fact produce an all new lever action design in 1955 called the model 88. It was their 3rd best selling lever action rifle. It used a 3 lug rotating bolt and detachable box magazine. It was discontinued in 1973.
That was an interesting aside about Browning's semi-auto shotgun that Winchester turned down. Browning also offered it to Remington for sales in the US (FN sold them in Europe). It sold so well that whoever made that decision at Winchester HAD to have ended up kicking himself for letting it get away. The gun Winchester came up with to try to compete, the Model 1911 shotgun, was not a good design, and has the nickname "the widowmaker." Winchester had to design around Browning's patents, and one of those patents was for a charging handle on the bolt. So Winchester checkered a space on the barrel, and (pointing the gun in a safe direction), you grabbed the barrel and pulled it back to charge the gun. Problems came when shooters had a stuck case (more common in the days of paper shotgun shells that would swell up), and place the butt on the ground and try to force the barrel downward, and inadvertently shoot themselves in the face. I read about one of these old guns claiming a victim this way just five or ten years ago. I have a Winchester Model 1911 that used to belong to my grandfather. but the stock and handguard are split, so I've never shot it. Split stocks are quite common with these, as the two fiber washers used as friction rings wear out and fail pretty quickly, and when they go, recoil becomes truly fierce, and often splits the stock -- yet another reason these guns lagged far behind the Auto 5 in sales.
No One Important, yes, they didn't pass on the design, they passed on Browning's revised terms for selling them the design. But as I said, they simply had to have regretted that decision after the Auto 5 became such a huge success for Remington and FN. They would have done better to agree to Browning's terms. As it was, they lost a huge segment of the market to a rival company.
+No One Important It's not a question of my wanting to admit anything; the sudden disarray at the top of Remington was obviously the cause of Browning's trip to shop his long recoil patents in Europe. I just think it's generally a bit tacky to regard a man's untimely death as "fortunate".
ZGryphon yeah those are pretty much for when the whole Battalion or regiment is going to fire at an area Target nobody's trying to pick anybody off with iron sights at a thousand yards it's more like we are all going to shoot at that formation of infantry over there ready aim Fire. reload!!!
Hmm, we routinely shoot these old rifles on 4' diameter targets at 900 - 1100 yards. Some guys and rifles routinely get 5/10 hits, on average. Even the lower tiers of guy/gun combo will almost always get a hit or two with a good spotter helping him make corrections. The guns can do this. But, yes, the 1400-2200 on some guns is optimistic morale-building indirect fire.
@@kenmichener8439 during ww1 us marines got a reputation of picking off germans with the 1903 springfield at a 1000yard. Pershing was even quoted saying the "deadliest weapon on earth is a U.S marine and his rifle."
I had one briefly before selling it to Othais and C&Rsenal. Was a really cool gun, super complicated disassembly, but fun to shoot especially with those stripper clips to help loading. It unfortunately had a lot of problems, so I sold it to them and now Mark is fixing it.
Considering current prices on Russian contract 1895s, I'd be surprised to see them brought in. It'd be something akin to revoking thd Hughes Amendment.
I really dig this focus on whole series of firearms rather than one-off videos when given the chance. It really gives a wider overview of a particular topic.
Ian. That tour of the development of the Henry/Winchester underlever rifle was absolutely fascinating. I've learned lots of things here re' people and company developments too. I was always a fan of John Browning, but now he's elevated to DON! Your knowledge is also very inspirational. Thank you for sharing it with us. Looking now in your video list for the lead up to, and development of the Browning BAR. Regards Mark in the UK
last year one day a young man came to see me about buying his Grand Fathers old model 1895 Winchester .He told me his Grandpa had gave him the rifle and he was asking 300 dollars for it.I asked him how he thought his folks would feel about ,him selling it,I diddn't buy the rifle ,and I hope I talked him out of selling the Old gun,I am sure his Dad would give him 300 dollars if he needed it that bad and just keep the rifle.
Good on you, sir! I inherited my grandfather's Model 1895 .30-06 forty years ago, and it has been my faithful companion and treasured heirloom ever since.
95th Winchesters are surprisingly common in old Soviet films about Siberia. Maybe there really were a lot of them, or maybe they were specially collected for filming because of their western look.
The rifle arrived today and I dialed in the scope just a couple hours ago ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL . I haven’t shot with a scope in probably 25 years. The X on the left was my target. (the shot almost in the bullseye on the right X was my father in laws first shot after I made adjustments) The two shots circled are my first 2 shots. Then I brought it down - shot once. Then brought it over to the left. From there zeroed it in to dead center. This all was from 25 yards out. Follow instructions carefully when mounting the scope. So far I'm very happy with the purchase.
First and foremost . This is a great site. But.... How about the mod 88. I believe it was the last new lever action for Winchester. Very quick to the shoulder, reasonable accuracy and detachable mag. A 308 goes to the woods with me every season and does it's part. Thanks and keep your great channel ,reviews coming
I remember about a year ago you being all excited about a beat up Russian 1895 at Rock Island, and talking about how pleased you were to be able to tell us its history. You've come so far. I'm so happy.
Excellent series! The multi-part format worked really well in highlighting the evolution of the rifle. The summing up at the end of this episode was also very well done.
Very cool series Ian. I have an 1894 carbine in 30-30 and I love it. I always get comments on it when I bring it out to the range. It was nice to learn more about its development.
Thanks Ian,i was so exited when i saw you doing the Winchester lever series,because i knew you would get to this. My dad owns a Carbine version that his dad had,All tho he keeps it in storage, and it has some rusting spots on the receiver. its just so exiting to see something on this channel that i have seen first hand, i don't know why, and i can't wait to show him this. Keep up the great work!
As much as I admire John M. Browning's earlier designs I have always felt that the 1895 Winchester was the sleekest. Maybe, if I'm very, very lucky, I'll find one and add it to my little collection of lever action hunting rifles. I do have a couple of questions that arise from conflicting historical references to the 1895. One: Did Winchester ever actually get paid for the many 1895s shipped to Russia? Or did they get "stiffed" like Smith & Wesson did? and Two: since we know that many 1895s were shipped to Russia where are they now? I feel certain that many were damaged or destroyed in combat like many other types of firearms were but surely SOME survived WWI and the Russian Revolution. Every time I've seen any reference to the 1895 and Russia, much like similar references to the numerous S&W revolvers that were shipped to Russia, there is always a footnote of sorts that infers that the rifles and/or handguns simply vanished so to speak. I'm sure I'm not the only one out here that would like to know what happened to the Winchesters and S&Ws that were shipped/sold to Russia. Any clues or ideas about the subject?
@@turkeyhamman4111 They do, and they're actually selling them on their website right now. You can also find a handful of the Russian Contract ones out there, but they mostly got sent to the Republican side during the Spanish Civil War, where they largely got destroyed by the Nationalists after the war. Or at least that's what I've heard.
I was actually on their website an hour ago, and they were selling 1895s for $1,600. It would honestly be so tempting to get one if not for the tang safety.
Absolutely loved seeing the progression of the lever action in such great detail. Thank you Ian. I would like to see more of these types of video series, just not sure if there's anything left that's quite as iconic as a Winchester.
Awesome series with a lot of educational value. I really appreciate you making a complete series on the Winchester lever action design and going into the real engineering reason why each model was created. I wish TV still had interesting programs like you provide.
Ian, I noticed you said this is the last lever action for Winchester. What about the Model 88, brought out in 1955? I have one in .308 and it's a beautiful example of Winchester manufacturing. Thanks for all your great videos, from a confirmed "gun nut" .
Slightly off topic but appropriate for the series - did anyone else ever attempt the Lebel solution to the spitzer-in-a-tube magazine problem [a guard ring around the primer]?
I'd doubt it, the Lebel with it's tube magazine always just seems to have been a stopgap measure, used out of convenience in order to get small bore smokeless ammunition into the hands of troops as quickly as possible; while trying to avoid copyright infringement or having to pay royalties to a foreign company or gunsmith.
I believe Remington tried a tube magazine with a spiral groove pressed into the tube which was supposed to force the cartridge off center, so the noses did not line up with the primers in their pump action rifles, but it did not catch on.
Ian has it wrong here. Go to C&Rsenals video on this gun, Spitzers came way after this gun was developed and chain detonation is somewhat overstated. Box mags are just superior to Tube Mags all the way around
Bravo, My Dude. This series of videos was very interesting and had a very natural and progressive flow to it. I watched them all in a row and by the end of the episode I was convinced that THIS was the model for me. Then I watched the next video and changed my mind. I think a 1895/54r would be a fascinating gun for my collection. BRB, searching the couch for coins.
If your in my area. You will have to wait till you get home. Our cell phone reception sucks on voice. Or cell phone reception out here sucks no matter whether it’s AT&T, Verizon, cricket, mom and pop shop. You’re lucky if you can make a voice call on a clear day.
its interesting how these guns get less and less locked up as they evolved. the common complaint about these for military use was that you could get junk in the action when you open the lever but the earlier guns were pretty sealed up, only the 1890s guns started to have lots of room open up when you cycled it
Seeing the loading procedure I can understand why the Russians wanted stripper clips - seems loading is much more complicated and slower then kings gate or even the original Henry. (now you really have to bring a 2 gun : Mosin Nagant against 1895 Winchester)
TheRealColBosch that was TFB TV Ian hates the G3&Co an Carl used to hate the Gali.... I think combat practically is more on the Mosin side if you use a 1895 without stripper clips - for a hunting rifle that's no issue but the 1895 looks like it's better just for 5 shots and then you can start single feeding. (we could throw in a Nagant revolver and a 1911)
Pekka Rastas they where in dire need for arms and it would propably have been easier and cheaper to issue them without clips - I guess the munitions did not come from the factory with the clips - even the Swiss did reuse their really clearly single use clips after all.
As a lever section affectionaido I loved the series on lever action wiles. I must have 35 different models in my collection and I now know a lot more about them.
Ian, one point: The .30 US (or .30 Army) cartridge was never loaded with a spitzer bullet. The military ball cartridge was always a 220-gr round nose. This was the bullet loaded into the .30-03 as well. It wasn't until the .30-06 that the military went to the 150-gr spitzer bullet. Very early commercial .30-40 Krag cartridges were loaded with a 180-gr spitzer bullet, which was an excellent hunting cartridge, but no US Military 30-caliber cartridge was ever loaded with anything but the 220-gr round nose bullet prior to the introduction of the .30-06.
Those are the Winchester proof marks. The barrel was proofed first unassembled and with a very high load and that’s when the barrel got the mark. After assembly the rifle was proofed with a higher than spec charge, but not as high as the barrel proof load. That’s when the receiver got the proof mark. When these were first imported to England they would proof them with a barrel proof load assembled and destroyed many rifles. Winchester found out and had to set it straight. The English proofhouse then actually came to a agreement with Winchester and accepted the Winchester proofing, and I think was the first firearm sold in England without English proofing.
What a super interesting series! Incredibly detailed without ever being boring. That's quality! By the way, the 1873 or the 1892 ai found the most interesting/beautiful.
Would you go back and build on this series by talking about competitors to the Winchester guns? I would like to see a videos on what became of Henry, Sharps rifles, and most of all Marlin. Thanks for vids, I love them.
Sin duda alguna ...que calidad de amas y que sofisticadas son ...siempre he admirado este tipo de armas...Winchester se lleva de encuentro a otras armas lever Action...Muy por encima de otras ok ...algún día tendré unase estás hermosas armas Winchester en mis manos ....felicitaciones por fabricar está calidad de armas
I’m gonna be “that guy” all these years later BUT Teddy never called the 1895 “big medicine” the “Big Stick” was his H&H double rifle, his 1895 in .405 Winchester was his “medicine gun for lion” awesome vid and break down either way!
Query: on the 1894 the transfer bar for the firing pin is located on the locking block. On the 1895 it appears to be on the back of the bolt itself, so what serves as a disconnector on the 1895? love that ancient Lyman sight system.
I own one myself chambered in 30-40 Kraig. Gorgeous piece. Serial stamp #469 I’d like to see a video explaining the deference of those first 5k models in comparison to these. Good video
What about the Winchester model 88, with it's hammerless rotary bolt and exchangable box magazine? Or did Winchester buy that design from Sako (the Sako Finnwolf)?
It would be really nice for those of us unfamiliar with different cartridges, to see what they look like. Also a demonstration of the loading process would be very nice, especially for this rifle.
It's very interesting to see the evolution from something wild and impractical (the Volcanic) to something practical and widely used (the Model 1894) through a long series of small, incremental changes, none of which were revolutionary by themselves.
Hey Ian....I've been a fan of your VLOGs for a long while now... I found this one to be really fascinating. MAYBE just one thing you might add, for some of these guns is the cartridge. While I admire the gun... it would have been great to see the bullet and how big it was, the contours etc. . It also might be interesting to know how much it weighed. The only reason I bring any of this up is I am a fiction writer, and will probably use your VLOGS in the research of my novel and its sequel. Would love to see more two gun challenges, especially with some of these older rifles. keep up the fantastic work... your videos are nothing short of amazing.*** I was very stoked about the video on the Remington 8 rifle. My father was gifted this rifle for deer hunting decades ago, by a fellow who, himself, was around 80 at the time. I loved the shape of the rifle and the balance, but didn't quite knew what it was. Thanks again.
Ian, I don't know if you could ever find one, but, there is a patent for a conversion of the lever action in the patent office that converts one to a "fully" automatic rifle. If you could find one it would be interesting to see.
I have a minty one made in 1909 with the factory installed Lyman sight (some were aftermarket), deluxe wood, recoil pad and in 30-03 caliber (a special order in 1909) which is marked ".30 U.S. MOD. 1903". Unfortunately 1909 records are not available from Winchester. The wood grain in the butt stock is virtually identical to T.R's (at the Cody Museum) which leads me to believe that they came from the same piece of wood. I shoot it several times a year with light cast loads and love it.
2:58 He did not call it his 'big medicine' ! That's a misquote by several 'authors' who probably mixed up his 'big-stick-foreign-policy' and his 'medicine gun' quote. Roosevelt wrote in fact in his series _"African game trails : an account of the African wanderings of an American hunter-naturalist"_ , published in Scribner's Magazine, vol. XLVI-XLVIII, from Oct. 1909 to Sept. 1910: _'The Winchester .405 is, at least for me personally, the _*_medicine gun_*_ for lions.'_ There you go. Always check quotes before you re-quote them. Most quotes that circulate on the internet were either never said that way or not by the person to whom they are attributed, so rather come from ignorami (yah, that's the correct Latin plural).
I still love that rifle. I'm just not sure in which caliber to get one in. 375 Win or 405 Win. Tho I'm leaning towards the 375 Win. Thx!!!! What an elegant design. A true CLASSIC, right there.
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Browning was a genius, there is no other way to describe him.
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Smarty shooty man
Kyle Bradley you got me there
@@taomasterwaka6287 One of the few bad marks on his character.
You are wrong, any positive agative will work.
This, a magazine-fed lever-action rifle, is the mathematical inverse to the Marlin Model 60, a semi-auto fed from a tube magazine.
Tube magazines>box magazines
Or even a nylon 66 much later
@@rubiconnn they both have their place
Didn't even know that existed.
@@Sunflowercowboy Like shotguns to rifles, basically.
The "Russian Winchesters" have been popular hunting rifles here in Finland. Unfortunately, many have been sporterized and changed to 8,2x54R or 9.3x54R wildcats because of the old moose hunting laws. After WW I most were sold as surplus, the Finnish Army concentrated on Mosins, they discarded the 1895 with same reasons as US Army.
What did the old moose hunting laws prohibit? Thank you
@@stefanmolnapor910 The minimum caliber was 8 mm, to prevent using "military rifles and ammo", i.e to prevent Civil Guard members hunting with their issue rifles.
@@ristoalanko9281 Thank you! Interesting!
@@ristoalanko9281 god damn thats so lame. Wish they wouldn’t make stupid laws like that
@@ristoalanko9281 why would that be a bad thing, just charge them for the damage to the rifle and a little more for the labor to replace whatever broke
"It is a far better combat rifle than a mosin nagant rifle"
Them fightin' words Ian.
I love mosins, but a lever-action is always gonna outstrip a bolt in terms of speed and flexibility
They hated Gun Jesus because He told them the truth.
You don't need to beat it with a stick to cycle the action ,win for Winchester . End of
@@GuntalsCloaca Some things just never change, haha.
Never heard of a a Scoped 95 Sniper Rifle like a Mosin.
Daaaamn John Browning, back at it again with the fresh designs.
Legend has it among my people he’s still coming up with designs to this day.
Winchester did in fact produce an all new lever action design in 1955 called the model 88. It was their 3rd best selling lever action rifle. It used a 3 lug rotating bolt and detachable box magazine. It was discontinued in 1973.
That was an interesting aside about Browning's semi-auto shotgun that Winchester turned down. Browning also offered it to Remington for sales in the US (FN sold them in Europe). It sold so well that whoever made that decision at Winchester HAD to have ended up kicking himself for letting it get away. The gun Winchester came up with to try to compete, the Model 1911 shotgun, was not a good design, and has the nickname "the widowmaker." Winchester had to design around Browning's patents, and one of those patents was for a charging handle on the bolt. So Winchester checkered a space on the barrel, and (pointing the gun in a safe direction), you grabbed the barrel and pulled it back to charge the gun. Problems came when shooters had a stuck case (more common in the days of paper shotgun shells that would swell up), and place the butt on the ground and try to force the barrel downward, and inadvertently shoot themselves in the face. I read about one of these old guns claiming a victim this way just five or ten years ago. I have a Winchester Model 1911 that used to belong to my grandfather. but the stock and handguard are split, so I've never shot it. Split stocks are quite common with these, as the two fiber washers used as friction rings wear out and fail pretty quickly, and when they go, recoil becomes truly fierce, and often splits the stock -- yet another reason these guns lagged far behind the Auto 5 in sales.
No One Important, yes, they didn't pass on the design, they passed on Browning's revised terms for selling them the design. But as I said, they simply had to have regretted that decision after the Auto 5 became such a huge success for Remington and FN. They would have done better to agree to Browning's terms. As it was, they lost a huge segment of the market to a rival company.
I would guess the gentleman in charge of Remington at the time wouldn't have regarded his own sudden death as all that fortunate.
+No One Important It's not a question of my wanting to admit anything; the sudden disarray at the top of Remington was obviously the cause of Browning's trip to shop his long recoil patents in Europe. I just think it's generally a bit tacky to regard a man's untimely death as "fortunate".
"Try to get over your self-righteousness" may be the most self-righteous thing a person can say to another. You realize this. :)
Ah, the Internet.
As always, I love the wild optimism of the adjustable sight. 900 yards! Sure. No problem. I'll get right on that. :)
ZGryphon yeah those are pretty much for when the whole Battalion or regiment is going to fire at an area Target nobody's trying to pick anybody off with iron sights at a thousand yards it's more like we are all going to shoot at that formation of infantry over there ready aim Fire. reload!!!
Or the modern rifles, like AK pattern weapons, they go up to 500 meters, at that distance you cant even tell if that is someone or a rock
HOw about the 600 meters of the modern M4 with irons.
You can't even see the guy around the front sight post...
Hmm, we routinely shoot these old rifles on 4' diameter targets at 900 - 1100 yards. Some guys and rifles routinely get 5/10 hits, on average. Even the lower tiers of guy/gun combo will almost always get a hit or two with a good spotter helping him make corrections. The guns can do this. But, yes, the 1400-2200 on some guns is optimistic morale-building indirect fire.
@@kenmichener8439 during ww1 us marines got a reputation of picking off germans with the 1903 springfield at a 1000yard. Pershing was even quoted saying the "deadliest weapon on earth is a U.S marine and his rifle."
Cool gun. I would love to have one of these in 7.62x54r
I had one briefly before selling it to Othais and C&Rsenal. Was a really cool gun, super complicated disassembly, but fun to shoot especially with those stripper clips to help loading. It unfortunately had a lot of problems, so I sold it to them and now Mark is fixing it.
TheGoldenCaulk Good man, C&Rsenal is awesome.
TheGoldenCaulk spoiler alert dude!
Considering current prices on Russian contract 1895s, I'd be surprised to see them brought in. It'd be something akin to revoking thd Hughes Amendment.
The Russians don't likely have those any more. They sent most of them to Spain, the rest were likely destroyed.
Really enjoyed your series on the lever actions, from the Henry to this one. I learned a lot from watching them. Thanks!
I really dig this focus on whole series of firearms rather than one-off videos when given the chance. It really gives a wider overview of a particular topic.
Ian. That tour of the development of the Henry/Winchester underlever rifle was absolutely fascinating. I've learned lots of things here re' people and company developments too.
I was always a fan of John Browning, but now he's elevated to DON!
Your knowledge is also very inspirational. Thank you for sharing it with us.
Looking now in your video list for the lead up to, and development of the Browning BAR.
Regards Mark in the UK
last year one day a young man came to see me about buying his Grand Fathers old model 1895 Winchester .He told me his Grandpa had gave him the rifle and he was asking 300 dollars for it.I asked him how he thought his folks would feel about ,him selling it,I diddn't buy the rifle ,and I hope I talked him out of selling the Old gun,I am sure his Dad would give him 300 dollars if he needed it that bad and just keep the rifle.
@Steven DeAtley - You did a good thing in that.
Thank you!
Good on you, sir! I inherited my grandfather's Model 1895 .30-06 forty years ago, and it has been my faithful companion and treasured heirloom ever since.
My uncle and or other relatives took all or most of his weapons for himself unfortunately for me
You're a better man than me, I would've taken that in a heartbeat. I've been wanting one of these for years.
95th Winchesters are surprisingly common in old Soviet films about Siberia. Maybe there really were a lot of them, or maybe they were specially collected for filming because of their western look.
Thanks, Ian, great tour through the lever-action rifles!
Incredible series, Ian, greatly appreciated to see all of the Winchester lever actions. I learned a lot!
The rifle arrived today and I dialed in the scope just a couple hours ago ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL . I haven’t shot with a scope in probably 25 years. The X on the left was my target. (the shot almost in the bullseye on the right X was my father in laws first shot after I made adjustments) The two shots circled are my first 2 shots. Then I brought it down - shot once. Then brought it over to the left. From there zeroed it in to dead center. This all was from 25 yards out. Follow instructions carefully when mounting the scope. So far I'm very happy with the purchase.
This was an awesome series! Learned a LOT about the Winchester family of rifles. Thank you!
First and foremost . This is a great site. But.... How about the mod 88. I believe it was the last new lever action for Winchester. Very quick to the shoulder, reasonable accuracy and detachable mag. A 308 goes to the woods with me every season and does it's part. Thanks and keep your great channel ,reviews coming
Appreciate your entire Winchester lever action rifle series. Highly informative, clearly presented and extremely enjoyable to watch. Gratitude!!
I remember about a year ago you being all excited about a beat up Russian 1895 at Rock Island, and talking about how pleased you were to be able to tell us its history. You've come so far. I'm so happy.
I love these series type videos. I know you can only do them when a collector has them but these are the best.
Excellent series! The multi-part format worked really well in highlighting the evolution of the rifle. The summing up at the end of this episode was also very well done.
Finished watching this whole series in one work day. Thank you gun Jesus.
Very cool series Ian. I have an 1894 carbine in 30-30 and I love it. I always get comments on it when I bring it out to the range. It was nice to learn more about its development.
Thanks Ian,i was so exited when i saw you doing the Winchester lever series,because i knew you would get to this. My dad owns a Carbine version that his dad had,All tho he keeps it in storage, and it has some rusting spots on the receiver. its just so exiting to see something on this channel that i have seen first hand, i don't know why, and i can't wait to show him this. Keep up the great work!
I've read before that Teddy Roosevelt bought a bunch of these to arm the rough riders with during the Spanish War. Dunno if that's true
He bought them for himself and the rest of the officers of the Rough Riders, while the enlisted men used standard Krags.
As much as I admire John M. Browning's earlier designs I have always felt that the 1895 Winchester was the sleekest. Maybe, if I'm very, very lucky, I'll find one and add it to my little collection of lever action hunting rifles. I do have a couple of questions that arise from conflicting historical references to the 1895. One: Did Winchester ever actually get paid for the many 1895s shipped to Russia? Or did they get "stiffed" like Smith & Wesson did? and Two: since we know that many 1895s were shipped to Russia where are they now? I feel certain that many were damaged or destroyed in combat like many other types of firearms were but surely SOME survived WWI and the Russian Revolution. Every time I've seen any reference to the 1895 and Russia, much like similar references to the numerous S&W revolvers that were shipped to Russia, there is always a footnote of sorts that infers that the rifles and/or handguns simply vanished so to speak. I'm sure I'm not the only one out here that would like to know what happened to the Winchesters and S&Ws that were shipped/sold to Russia. Any clues or ideas about the subject?
I think winchester still makes reproductions, not russian contract style though
@@turkeyhamman4111 They do, and they're actually selling them on their website right now.
You can also find a handful of the Russian Contract ones out there, but they mostly got sent to the Republican side during the Spanish Civil War, where they largely got destroyed by the Nationalists after the war. Or at least that's what I've heard.
@@LoremasterYnTaris last time i checked there wasnt. BLR or 1895?
I was actually on their website an hour ago, and they were selling 1895s for $1,600. It would honestly be so tempting to get one if not for the tang safety.
@@LoremasterYnTaris its gone wym
Absolutely loved seeing the progression of the lever action in such great detail. Thank you Ian. I would like to see more of these types of video series, just not sure if there's anything left that's quite as iconic as a Winchester.
Awesome series with a lot of educational value. I really appreciate you making a complete series on the Winchester lever action design and going into the real engineering reason why each model was created. I wish TV still had interesting programs like you provide.
Ian, I noticed you said this is the last lever action for Winchester. What about the Model 88, brought out in 1955? I have one in .308 and it's a beautiful example of Winchester manufacturing. Thanks for all your great videos, from a confirmed "gun nut" .
Another excellent discourse by Ian. Good on you, mate.
It has been an incredible ride Ian, I really enjoy this series
It has been a joy watching this short series. Thank you & kudos.
Slightly off topic but appropriate for the series - did anyone else ever attempt the Lebel solution to the spitzer-in-a-tube magazine problem [a guard ring around the primer]?
Because box magazine is so much superior than tube magazine,no military bothers to keep tube magazine on their rifle.
I'd doubt it, the Lebel with it's tube magazine always just seems to have been a stopgap measure, used out of convenience in order to get small bore smokeless ammunition into the hands of troops as quickly as possible; while trying to avoid copyright infringement or having to pay royalties to a foreign company or gunsmith.
I believe Remington tried a tube magazine with a spiral groove pressed into the tube which was supposed to force the cartridge off center, so the noses did not line up with the primers in their pump action rifles, but it did not catch on.
I suppose they could have returned to rim fire as well...
Ian has it wrong here. Go to C&Rsenals video on this gun, Spitzers came way after this gun was developed and chain detonation is somewhat overstated.
Box mags are just superior to Tube Mags all the way around
Bravo, My Dude. This series of videos was very interesting and had a very natural and progressive flow to it. I watched them all in a row and by the end of the episode I was convinced that THIS was the model for me. Then I watched the next video and changed my mind. I think a 1895/54r would be a fascinating gun for my collection. BRB, searching the couch for coins.
Out fishing and I get a Forgotten Weapons notification. Do I fish or watch the video?
I watched the video :D
Where's my Irish whiskey? Tullamore. Why not both?
If your fishing is like my fishing, both simultaneously is easily doable! Just difficult to juggle my rod, my beer, and my phone.
If your in my area. You will have to wait till you get home. Our cell phone reception sucks on voice. Or cell phone reception out here sucks no matter whether it’s AT&T, Verizon, cricket, mom and pop shop. You’re lucky if you can make a voice call on a clear day.
Are they biting?
In my personal opinion, one of the coolest rifles ever mass produced. Definitely going to have to get my hands on one someday.
What about the '88 as a newer development Ian. Crunchy/ Noisy action, but an accurate sporter.
its interesting how these guns get less and less locked up as they evolved. the common complaint about these for military use was that you could get junk in the action when you open the lever but the earlier guns were pretty sealed up, only the 1890s guns started to have lots of room open up when you cycled it
Seeing the loading procedure I can understand why the Russians wanted stripper clips - seems loading is much more complicated and slower then kings gate or even the original Henry. (now you really have to bring a 2 gun : Mosin Nagant against 1895 Winchester)
Well, someone has to use the Winchester.
TheRealColBosch that was TFB TV Ian hates the G3&Co an Carl used to hate the Gali....
I think combat practically is more on the Mosin side if you use a 1895 without stripper clips - for a hunting rifle that's no issue but the 1895 looks like it's better just for 5 shots and then you can start single feeding.
(we could throw in a Nagant revolver and a 1911)
Pekka Rastas they where in dire need for arms and it would propably have been easier and cheaper to issue them without clips - I guess the munitions did not come from the factory with the clips - even the Swiss did reuse their really clearly single use clips after all.
As a lever section affectionaido I loved the series on lever action wiles. I must have 35 different models in my collection and I now know a lot more about them.
Show us a picture, would love to see them
One of the best videos on UA-cam-thanx!
This has been a great series. Thank you, I've learned a lot from it.
Seen all your excellent vlogs on the series of Winchester...Brilliant
Had the pleasure of shooting one in 303Brit. Wonderful shooting rifle. Been looking for one ever since
Ian, one point: The .30 US (or .30 Army) cartridge was never loaded with a spitzer bullet. The military ball cartridge was always a 220-gr round nose. This was the bullet loaded into the .30-03 as well. It wasn't until the .30-06 that the military went to the 150-gr spitzer bullet. Very early commercial .30-40 Krag cartridges were loaded with a 180-gr spitzer bullet, which was an excellent hunting cartridge, but no US Military 30-caliber cartridge was ever loaded with anything but the 220-gr round nose bullet prior to the introduction of the .30-06.
Really liked binge-watching this whole series. Well done, Ian!
Probably my favorite model of all lever action rifles. I mean, look at it! It's beautiful, intimidating, sleek, and cool!
Now the question, will we see any comparison-contrast with Winchester's chief competitor, the Marlin?
Or...Savage?
I have a 1895 winchester in 405 win from 1921 🤠 love it to the moon and back!
Man, sometimes I miss the 90's...
thank you, Ian, for your winchester lever action series.
Daaaaamn Johnny, back at it again with the new box magazine.
I really enjoyed this series on the development of the lever action. Please do more in this (meta) style as I got alot out of it.
At 7:44 when showing the 30 U.S. marking what are the 2 marks bookending that? What do they mean?
Those are the Winchester proof marks. The barrel was proofed first unassembled and with a very high load and that’s when the barrel got the mark. After assembly the rifle was proofed with a higher than spec charge, but not as high as the barrel proof load. That’s when the receiver got the proof mark. When these were first imported to England they would proof them with a barrel proof load assembled and destroyed many rifles. Winchester found out and had to set it straight. The English proofhouse then actually came to a agreement with Winchester and accepted the Winchester proofing, and I think was the first firearm sold in England without English proofing.
Awesome series. Thanks for all your work on this.
What a super interesting series! Incredibly detailed without ever being boring. That's quality!
By the way, the 1873 or the 1892 ai found the most interesting/beautiful.
Quite liked this series of videos. Very informative and entertaining. Good job
Would you go back and build on this series by talking about competitors to the Winchester guns? I would like to see a videos on what became of Henry, Sharps rifles, and most of all Marlin.
Thanks for vids, I love them.
Excellent series on lever Winchesters.
Great string of videos. More of these development videos please.Their great!
I've really enjoyed this series. Thanks for sharing!
What a series- thanks for sharing your expertise!!!
Old school lever action rifle meets modern rifle with spitzer bullets and stacked magazine. Thanks for sharing.
Sin duda alguna ...que calidad de amas y que sofisticadas son ...siempre he admirado este tipo de armas...Winchester se lleva de encuentro a otras armas lever Action...Muy por encima de otras ok ...algún día tendré unase estás hermosas armas Winchester en mis manos ....felicitaciones por fabricar está calidad de armas
Was a very interesting series, thanks for putting these videos out there
I’m gonna be “that guy” all these years later BUT Teddy never called the 1895 “big medicine” the “Big Stick” was his H&H double rifle, his 1895 in .405 Winchester was his “medicine gun for lion” awesome vid and break down either way!
Query: on the 1894 the transfer bar for the firing pin is located on the locking block. On the 1895 it appears to be on the back of the bolt itself, so what serves as a disconnector on the 1895?
love that ancient Lyman sight system.
Ian, the 1895 isn't the last Winchester lever action. The introduced the Model 88 after WWII.
Years ago I had a Browning 1895 in 30/06. Wish I still had it. Yes in the 1980s Browning actually reintroduced this rifle.
Those were made by Howa in Japan.
Great series, Ian, I really enjoyed it!
Thanks Ian! I learned a lot through this series!
Fantastic overview, thanks Ian!
Damn John Browning, back at it again with the winchester model 1895!
I own one myself chambered in 30-40 Kraig. Gorgeous piece. Serial stamp #469
I’d like to see a video explaining the deference of those first 5k models in comparison to these.
Good video
Thanks for the Winchester series Ian.
Please consider doing the forgotten Winchester model 88, the "bolt action rifle with a lever".
@ 12:38 did the US military not use the Winchester 1894 in Alaska or outer islands?
Really great series Ian, thank you!
Why no 1887 shotgun in this series?
SonOfAldabarran because little tommy exploited the akimbo 1887 to get 10th prestige in 1 week before the update
SonOfAldabarran he said this series was exclusively for development of their rifle
@Little Victory Fab Co 40 Watts? That would be the weakest plasma rifle ever.
Nick Rollstuhlfahrerson it needs to be legal, stupid gun laws!
@Little Victory Fab Co uzi 9 millimeter....
What about the Winchester model 88, with it's hammerless rotary bolt and exchangable box magazine? Or did Winchester buy that design from Sako (the Sako Finnwolf)?
What about the Winchester Model 88? I think it was the last lever action brought out by Winchester.
I really enjoyed the series. Thanks a lot.
great job on the series. i enjoyed it very much.
It would be really nice for those of us unfamiliar with different cartridges, to see what they look like. Also a demonstration of the loading process would be very nice, especially for this rifle.
It's very interesting to see the evolution from something wild and impractical (the Volcanic) to something practical and widely used (the Model 1894) through a long series of small, incremental changes, none of which were revolutionary by themselves.
Good series. Enjoyed it. Thanks!
Hey Ian....I've been a fan of your VLOGs for a long while now... I found this one to be really fascinating. MAYBE just one thing you might add, for some of these guns is the cartridge. While I admire the gun... it would have been great to see the bullet and how big it was, the contours etc. . It also might be interesting to know how much it weighed. The only reason I bring any of this up is I am a fiction writer, and will probably use your VLOGS in the research of my novel and its sequel. Would love to see more two gun challenges, especially with some of these older rifles. keep up the fantastic work... your videos are nothing short of amazing.*** I was very stoked about the video on the Remington 8 rifle. My father was gifted this rifle for deer hunting decades ago, by a fellow who, himself, was around 80 at the time. I loved the shape of the rifle and the balance, but didn't quite knew what it was. Thanks again.
Ian, I don't know if you could ever find one, but, there is a patent for a conversion of the lever action in the patent office that converts one to a "fully" automatic rifle. If you could find one it would be interesting to see.
I have a minty one made in 1909 with the factory installed Lyman sight (some were aftermarket), deluxe wood, recoil pad and in 30-03 caliber (a special order in 1909) which is marked ".30 U.S. MOD. 1903". Unfortunately 1909 records are not available from Winchester. The wood grain in the butt stock is virtually identical to T.R's (at the Cody Museum) which leads me to believe that they came from the same piece of wood. I shoot it several times a year with light cast loads and love it.
Watching the action of the 95 is so satisfying.
2:58 He did not call it his 'big medicine' !
That's a misquote by several 'authors' who probably mixed up his 'big-stick-foreign-policy' and his 'medicine gun' quote.
Roosevelt wrote in fact in his series _"African game trails : an account of the African wanderings of an American hunter-naturalist"_ , published in Scribner's Magazine, vol. XLVI-XLVIII, from Oct. 1909 to Sept. 1910:
_'The Winchester .405 is, at least for me personally, the _*_medicine gun_*_ for lions.'_
There you go. Always check quotes before you re-quote them. Most quotes that circulate on the internet were either never said that way or not by the person to whom they are attributed, so rather come from ignorami (yah, that's the correct Latin plural).
I still love that rifle. I'm just not sure in which caliber to get one in. 375 Win or 405 Win. Tho I'm leaning towards the 375 Win. Thx!!!! What an elegant design. A true CLASSIC, right there.
Most excellent series Ian. Perhaps a short series on Browning's shotguns designed for Winchester?
What an interesting looking aperture sight on the rifle.
I know, I'm late. Thank you so much for this segment, most people do not mention the different calibers of the 1895. Later.
Excellent series... Would love to see something similar on the early Marlins.
I love my original 95 cavalry made in 1895. Sweet shooting almost as good as the 30-40 Kraig. Nice cartridge in both models.
Kind of a beautiful looking rifle I think.