@boardskins I live in Las Vegas 90% of the electricity used here is from Hoover Dam and Wind Farms in California, which are both renewable, and environment friendly sources of electricity. This car is perfect for my location at least, along with alot of the surrounding area, and most of Southern California.
@Cssrecords A complete charge form 0% would cost about $3.00 (12 cents per kwh) In practical use you wouldn't run the car completely dead so let say it will cost about $2.00 a day to charge this car at home. Gas at my local station costs about $1.30 a litre. I can't drive 160 kilometres (the full range of a Leaf if run to 0%) on 1 litre of gasoline so I would need more like 12 litres of gas thats about $15.00 of gas to drive the same distance as $3.00 of electricity.
@boardskins I actually beg to differ. Researching, I've found that 50% of electricity is generated from coal, and 50% is from renewable and clean energy sources. That split is quickly changing, as more areas are converting to non-coal burning energy sources. Coal will be obsolete within our life time, as will gasoline/oil. I believe this car makes perfect sense in most developed parts of the world.
@JediFarce That is the exact same argument that Oil companies make, and it is a short sighted one at that. There will be charging stations all over the US in 2-4 years, so you will virtually never run out of power. When you flee from said disasters, you only go maybe 50-100 miles away, just to get away from danger, and almost always the Feds transport you out, or you walk, not drive
@JediFarce This is perhaps the most affordable and best green car we have today. There are already a few stations to charge your car and there are plans on building more around the state. With rising gas prices at the pump, even those not as concerned about the environment are considering the purchase of a vehicle that costs less to fuel. Not to mention it's three times as efficient as gas engines, it is Is extremely safe and compact. Will judge something if it does not run on fuel?
@bluebearbank247 I've seen generators the size of a big lunch box. I wonder if they would have the output to charge a Leaf?... Might be worth looking into....
I would get one. currently i have a V6 E-Class benz that only takes premium gas. I feel the pain everytime i go to the gas station but the amount of fun that i have driving that machine is irreplaceable.
@irocx29 No. The batteries, at the end of their useful EV life, will be bought back by Nissan because they have value as stationary industrial storage batteries (still hold 50%). The batteries belong to the person who owns the car until such time as the batteries require replacing, or the car is scrapped. Then Nissan will buy them back from the person who owns the car. It may be different in other markets, but in North America the batteries are part of the car.
@boardskins also, according to Nissan, there will be a charging station every 20 miles on major highways across the US within the next 2-4 years. Seems to me that the US is finally making the leap towards a fully Green society
@RStarga No, I agree with him. Especially if you need to charge at your house, and depending on it's use, you may need to alot. If you do, your electric bill will be crazy. In ADDITION to everything you already run. you could get $1,000 dollar electric bill EASY. What they should do is put Photovoltaic cells on the car for day time.
@edstar83 Doesn't say much for the "average hatchback". However, if you think this car looks better than a 2010 Honda Civic, I would question your taste in automotive design. Also, the Civic Hybrid gets amazing mileage. You do realize that the electricity for this car has to be generated somewhere; i.e. a coal fired or nuclear powered plant. Take that into account and the Civic is a better choice both economically and environmentally.
scary to buy into a first gen all electric vehicle when society at large isn't really ready for it. i'm guessing this isn't a road trip type of car. personally, i couldn't deal with the stress of being stranded for lack of finding a plug somewhere.
@JediFarce Well, the idea is that this is really a second car. Also, I get what you are saying, but if you lived in a city where these things are meant to live, you'd never be able to DRIVE out of there during a disaster; you'd have to walk and take public transport. What comes to mind is seeing all of the millions of people walking across the bridges in NYC when the power went out a few years ago.
@boardskins this car actually looks better than the average hatchback. everytime someone told me to get a new car my reply has always been "im not getting a new car unless its electric." looks like this is my new car.
@@highlander5634 I wish, I still want one but can't afford one. They're expensive here in Australia. A brand new Nissan Leaf cost $54,000 AU. A used one from 2011 ranges from 20,000 to S15,000.
@bg1379 Perhaps, but I tend to believe that for most it would be a single car household. After all, these knuckle heads believe they're saving the environment by buying these pieces of junk. In any event, the very concept of an electric car especially here in Hawaii would never work. It is restricted to people with houses or limited areas within the city. Townhouses, 99% of buildings, or people that have to park on the street simply aren't able to utilize this technology.
Why is it necessary to make "green" vehicles so hideously ugly?? Do they think it helps convey the "we're not about esthetics, we're about fuel economy" statement?
Electric cars are such a joke. What do you suppose will happen if you have to flee the city because of a natural disaster or terrorist act? You're pretty much screwed once you've run out of battery power.
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@boardskins I live in Las Vegas
90% of the electricity used here is from Hoover Dam and Wind Farms in California, which are both renewable, and environment friendly sources of electricity. This car is perfect for my location at least, along with alot of the surrounding area, and most of Southern California.
@Cssrecords A complete charge form 0% would cost about $3.00 (12 cents per kwh) In practical use you wouldn't run the car completely dead so let say it will cost about $2.00 a day to charge this car at home.
Gas at my local station costs about $1.30 a litre. I can't drive 160 kilometres (the full range of a Leaf if run to 0%) on 1 litre of gasoline so I would need more like 12 litres of gas thats about $15.00 of gas to drive the same distance as $3.00 of electricity.
@Valcarion Makes perfect sense in your case, but few live with those electrical energy choices.
@boardskins I actually beg to differ.
Researching, I've found that 50% of electricity is generated from coal, and 50% is from renewable and clean energy sources. That split is quickly changing, as more areas are converting to non-coal burning energy sources. Coal will be obsolete within our life time, as will gasoline/oil.
I believe this car makes perfect sense in most developed parts of the world.
awesome street legal golf cart is what this is.
@JediFarce That is the exact same argument that Oil companies make, and it is a short sighted one at that.
There will be charging stations all over the US in 2-4 years, so you will virtually never run out of power.
When you flee from said disasters, you only go maybe 50-100 miles away, just to get away from danger, and almost always the Feds transport you out, or you walk, not drive
and for long rides, all station services on hi-way with fast charge, while you stop to cofee...
@JediFarce
This is perhaps the most affordable and best green car we have today. There are already a few stations to charge your car and there are plans on building more around the state. With rising gas prices at the pump, even those not as concerned about the environment are considering the purchase of a vehicle that costs less to fuel. Not to mention it's three times as efficient as gas engines, it is Is extremely safe and compact.
Will judge something if it does not run on fuel?
@bluebearbank247 I've seen generators the size of a big lunch box. I wonder if they would have the output to charge a Leaf?... Might be worth looking into....
@irocx29 The batteries are part of the car. The only way to lease the batteries is to lease the whole car.
I would get one.
currently i have a V6 E-Class benz that only takes premium gas. I feel the pain everytime i go to the gas station but the amount of fun that i have driving that machine is irreplaceable.
Just like the planet.
I am moving to Vegas soon, and I am seriously considering of this car if it is available in that area.
@irocx29 No. The batteries, at the end of their useful EV life, will be bought back by Nissan because they have value as stationary industrial storage batteries (still hold 50%). The batteries belong to the person who owns the car until such time as the batteries require replacing, or the car is scrapped. Then Nissan will buy them back from the person who owns the car.
It may be different in other markets, but in North America the batteries are part of the car.
people who worry being stranded should carry a 120V portable gas generator. nowadays those are cheap and light as a fullsize dog.
@boardskins also, according to Nissan, there will be a charging station every 20 miles on major highways across the US within the next 2-4 years.
Seems to me that the US is finally making the leap towards a fully Green society
@RStarga No, I agree with him. Especially if you need to charge at your house, and depending on it's use, you may need to alot. If you do, your electric bill will be crazy. In ADDITION to everything you already run. you could get $1,000 dollar electric bill EASY.
What they should do is put Photovoltaic cells on the car for day time.
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I know! They have solar body fabs already!
@edstar83 Doesn't say much for the "average hatchback". However, if you think this car looks better than a 2010 Honda Civic, I would question your taste in automotive design. Also, the Civic Hybrid gets amazing mileage. You do realize that the electricity for this car has to be generated somewhere; i.e. a coal fired or nuclear powered plant. Take that into account and the Civic is a better choice both economically and environmentally.
what happen's if you run out of charge in Compton
scary to buy into a first gen all electric vehicle when society at large isn't really ready for it. i'm guessing this isn't a road trip type of car. personally, i couldn't deal with the stress of being stranded for lack of finding a plug somewhere.
@RStarga Dude, have you done the calculations? There are numerous reports that say electric vehicles WILL save money over gas.
@JediFarce
Well, the idea is that this is really a second car.
Also, I get what you are saying, but if you lived in a city where these things are meant to live, you'd never be able to DRIVE out of there during a disaster; you'd have to walk and take public transport. What comes to mind is seeing all of the millions of people walking across the bridges in NYC when the power went out a few years ago.
@JediFarce
Yep, because every neighborhood suffers from catastrophic natural disasters and terrorist acts everyday :|
@w140fan when it releases you drive through compton on a rainy or snowy day and see wat happens. Ok
@boardskins this car actually looks better than the average hatchback. everytime someone told me to get a new car my reply has always been "im not getting a new car unless its electric." looks like this is my new car.
do you still only purchase EVs?
@@highlander5634 I wish, I still want one but can't afford one. They're expensive here in Australia. A brand new Nissan Leaf cost $54,000 AU. A used one from 2011 ranges from 20,000 to S15,000.
@@edstar83 that’s true fortunately prices are gradually going down hopefully they’ll be available to the masses in 4-5 years
@RStarga what r u talking about?
@bg1379
Perhaps, but I tend to believe that for most it would be a single car household. After all, these knuckle heads believe they're saving the environment by buying these pieces of junk. In any event, the very concept of an electric car especially here in Hawaii would never work. It is restricted to people with houses or limited areas within the city. Townhouses, 99% of buildings, or people that have to park on the street simply aren't able to utilize this technology.
@dinmagic
No, but what city or area has never had power outages or rolling blackouts?
@edstar83 Hey, who wants to argue? I'd like to hear the facts of your disagreement.
@boardskins I disagree but im not going to get into this argument again. Been there dont that. take it easy.
@boardskins
still prefer a GT-R
Why is it necessary to make "green" vehicles so hideously ugly?? Do they think it helps convey the "we're not about esthetics, we're about fuel economy" statement?
Electric cars are such a joke. What do you suppose will happen if you have to flee the city because of a natural disaster or terrorist act? You're pretty much screwed once you've run out of battery power.