So so fascinating and I’m not even an analyst. Such a peacefull and mature environment.These lectures are gold to me as a non-threatening contemplative way to get to know myself better. As a simple layman from the other side of the world, I thank you very much. I’m devouring these like a greedy whale.
These lectures are helping me so much, I'm coming to the end of a psychoanalytic training and these talks are way better than anything I'm experiencing. Professor Carveth is hugely well informed, everything is explained clearly, interestingly and without pomposity. He doesn't talk like he's conveying secrets he half wants to keep, it's all here and it's excellent. Thank you.
17:00 To survive. Surviving a patient's onslaught. 25:00 The Kleinian Winnicott. RP. Capacity for concern. 31:09 The Self & Relational Winnicott. The capacity to be alone. Experiencing Non Intrusive Presence & Non Abandonment. Internalisation of a good object. 38:50 The True and False Self. The development of True and False Personality (Self). TS Going on Being. FS Reacting Hyperactive Doing. 48:55 Mature vs Immature Object Relations.
I am currently reading Freud and Beyond and this lecture is making everything come together beautifully. My mind is so very happy at the moment. Thank you so much Professor. PS: The story about Winnicott waiting by the door to open it for his patient is from the book, since you mentioned that you couldn't recall where you read it. And I happened to have just read it. Thank you again!
I'm only into this interview 2.4 minutes and already I've discovered from Don Carveth another important complex to analyze. (This is why one's psychoanalysis never ends.) Have I spent most of my adult life managing my mother, who passed at the age of 107 years old? Is this the reason that I seem to want to understand the lives of friends, family members, and of course, myself? Definitely, food for thought!
To be more precise, my life has been spent trying to understand the life long complex relationship with her. Then, once into her 80's I was the scapegoated child who managed her life, until death. Life is a quagmire for many of us.
To my knowledge, I never hated her, altho I steered clear of how as a chiild after I realized that bshe never told me the truth which children need to know about important matters such as death, etc. All her 4 children swere vdriven from her by her constant need for us to accept jesus christ as our lord and savior. One sis was BPD. Only my bro is alive, living in his truck. He blames me for his miserable life, especially after he realized he was cut from ma's will.He won't sowak to me, and disappeared from all family contacy 50+ yrs ago...until he moved to Portland. At least two sets of triangles growung up.
Winnicott makes so much sense to me, and helps put pieces of my childhood development together. How did Carveth magically appear in my stream, after 10+ years of needing to find someone who could give me clarity. UA-cam algorithms?
Such an informative lecture. Thank you so much I was preparing about Winnicott before my class seminar begins and I was so confused, but now everything is clear.
Hello Don and thanks for the very nice lectures. I would love if sometime you can upload a video reviewing the subject of sexuality from the psychoanalytic perspective. Thanks
Once again, thank you very much for these lectures. An interesting observation - how one of the attendees is very sensitive about the gender stereotypies. I still think that Kohut's way of talking about mirroring, idealization, and their distribution across genders is mainly true. I do not know why people in the West (especially North America) seem to be so sensitive to inherent gender differences. Mothers are more likely to be mirroring selfobjects, while fathers are more likely to be idealized selfobjects. Mothers can be idealized, fathers can mirror, but it's (slightly) more likely to be the other way around.
Coming at this as a dynamic therapist and a believing Catholic, I'd argue with you on the transitional existence of religion. I think for most, it exists there; I think some come to a false belief of putting full faith in propositions - a God of reason. There's a different experience not accounted for in your lecture or in the transitional; that is, encountering God as person - that's the position of the Russians and Greeks- when God is known as person, the mystery isn't lifted but is deepened because we can only know a person in part and through relational experience. In this sense, God isn't a transitional object but an actual object like a mother; everything else in religion then becomes associated with but not God; as a simile, just as the house and church and toys etc. are all part of mom or the experience of her but mom is the human object/subject we relate to. Maybe another way to look at it, the movie is transitional but can also convey real truth; in this case, one leaves the movie behind but keeps the truth although the movie may always be associated with the movie to a degree.
Don would you ever do a short piece on the Dora case based on what we know now for effective practice? What I mean is making reflective suggestions from your consultancy knowledge base on how to approach the analytics material and best respond using the psychoanalytical dialogues you encourage
What I would mostly have to say about the Dora case is that the analyst should not collude with the patient’s father who wishes to pimp out his daughter to the husband of the woman he is having an affair with.
In about 36:05 it is stated that Freud somehow equated mourning with reality testing. But what about the internalization of the lost object, “the object casts his shadow on the ego”? Yes, he indeed tried to differentiate between mourning and depression but in the end of that paper he somewhat confusingly equated the two.
@@doncarveth I understand, but isn't it closer to truth that depression and mourning rely on the same processes? In that case your critique of Freud's apparent oversimplification of mourning would not be true (provided that we accept the confusing ending of the paper on Depression).
Yeah I get it now. Another thing- your colleague Michael argues that it is not necessarily the truthfulness of the intepretatio but its effect on the listener. The way an interpretation is given (prosodic qualities) is sometimes equally important as its truthfulness. A group of Serbian psychoanalysts (to whom I owe much of what I know) emphasizes this aspect- citing interesting studies of Homeric discourse (Baker) and Elsner- the stream of linguists who turned away from De Saussure’s primacy of language as a system over language as a spoken discourse.
Nice passing references to Margaret Mahler in this lecture. Is there more we that should be aware of with her work? I don’t heard you mention her that much in your other lectures
Again anger is truer than hate, hate is the stored repressed aggressive intent provocative, but yes we although i haven't gotten back on a course yet . hatred repressed fear ---anger sadness, but then becomes hatred, eventually projected out the latest COV2 is symptomatic of this project it onto the elderly and frail , yes exactly the narcissistic mother got it in one Don absolutely the envious Mother in her role of mother is threatened by the loss of her son , happened to me when I found my "soul mate " , as if she was saying I am going to lose you so , yes exactly it is tthe child in the mother that herself experienced a deeper sense of being unwanted, unloved now must develop this qausi role which she lives through, hurt and jealous, there is always some of this in alll mothers a kind of reverse Oedipus complex. Yes exactly Dr Spock do not cuddle your baby , plugs straight into the original fear, I mustn't feel close it feels somehow unnatural, because as a child i wasn't
Interpretation is important. However, sometimes a patient can be too delusional without either patient or analyst being aware of this reality. Do children assimilate a mother's delusion, although, in a different form? An example could be a delusional Christian mother. The child denies Christianity, therefore, the child is left with cognizant dissonance that is transformed into a garden variety delusion.
Hi Don, I wonder if you’d ever do a little discussion on Winnicott’s Use of an Object paper published after his death in Playing & Reality (1971). David Milrod said “The central thesis of Dr Winnicott's paper is the proposition that the use of an object constitutes a more advanced and sophisticated stage of development than does relating to an object ... At first there is object-relating ... in the end there is object use. In between lies the area of most change, whereby the subject finally accepts the object's position outside the sphere of his omnipotent control as a separate, external entity, and not as a projected one.” (Milrod, 1968, p. 1) There’s a shift from “relating” to “using” only after “the subject destroys the object.” I wonder what points and examples you have about surviving destructive attacks? I work with perpetrators of domestic abuse and their victims/partners/survivors. There must be much to say about aggression, destructiveness and creating a good object that I know you encourage from your Kleinian preference. I appreciate you’ve got your own research interests leading you in your own directions however. Cheers, Dave (Sussex England)
So so fascinating and I’m not even an analyst. Such a peacefull and mature environment.These lectures are gold to me as a non-threatening contemplative way to get to know myself better.
As a simple layman from the other side of the world, I thank you very much.
I’m devouring these like a greedy whale.
Excellent. Thanks
These lectures are helping me so much, I'm coming to the end of a psychoanalytic training and these talks are way better than anything I'm experiencing. Professor Carveth is hugely well informed, everything is explained clearly, interestingly and without pomposity. He doesn't talk like he's conveying secrets he half wants to keep, it's all here and it's excellent. Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Don really conveys a depth of knowledge which is wonderful- old school teaching. Love it- I am listening to every word. Thank you
Thank you
I love it. Thank you so much.
Excellent presentation. Thank you very much for your work.
Most welcome
this is very good, enlightening and deep - thank you
Thank you
17:00 To survive. Surviving a patient's onslaught.
25:00 The Kleinian Winnicott. RP. Capacity for concern.
31:09 The Self & Relational Winnicott. The capacity to be alone. Experiencing Non Intrusive Presence & Non Abandonment. Internalisation of a good object.
38:50 The True and False Self. The development of True and False Personality (Self). TS Going on Being. FS Reacting Hyperactive Doing.
48:55 Mature vs Immature Object Relations.
Thank you, much appreciated!
I am currently reading Freud and Beyond and this lecture is making everything come together beautifully. My mind is so very happy at the moment. Thank you so much Professor. PS: The story about Winnicott waiting by the door to open it for his patient is from the book, since you mentioned that you couldn't recall where you read it. And I happened to have just read it. Thank you again!
Most welcome
I'm only into this interview 2.4 minutes and already I've discovered from Don Carveth another important complex to analyze. (This is why one's psychoanalysis never ends.)
Have I spent most of my adult life managing my mother, who passed at the age of 107 years old?
Is this the reason that I seem to want to understand the lives of friends, family members, and of course, myself? Definitely, food for thought!
To be more precise, my life has been spent trying to understand the life long complex relationship with her. Then, once into her 80's I was the scapegoated child who managed her life, until death. Life is a quagmire for many of us.
To my knowledge, I never hated her, altho I steered clear of how as a chiild after I realized that bshe never told me the truth which children need to know about important matters such as death, etc. All her 4 children swere vdriven from her by her constant need for us to accept jesus christ as our lord and savior. One sis was BPD. Only my bro is alive, living in his truck. He blames me for his miserable life, especially after he realized he was cut from ma's will.He won't sowak to me, and disappeared from all family contacy 50+ yrs ago...until he moved to Portland. At least two sets of triangles growung up.
Winnicott makes so much sense to me, and helps put pieces of my childhood development together. How did Carveth magically appear in my stream, after 10+ years of needing to find someone who could give me clarity. UA-cam algorithms?
Yes! I completely agree with you.
Helena go to 12:30 for hate in the countertransference, Dave x
Such an informative lecture. Thank you so much
I was preparing about Winnicott before my class seminar begins and I was so confused, but now everything is clear.
Great!
Great! Thank you so much.
Hello Don and thanks for the very nice lectures. I would love if sometime you can upload a video reviewing the subject of sexuality from the psychoanalytic perspective. Thanks
Thank you, I will be happy to do so.
Once again, thank you very much for these lectures. An interesting observation - how one of the attendees is very sensitive about the gender stereotypies. I still think that Kohut's way of talking about mirroring, idealization, and their distribution across genders is mainly true. I do not know why people in the West (especially North America) seem to be so sensitive to inherent gender differences.
Mothers are more likely to be mirroring selfobjects, while fathers are more likely to be idealized selfobjects. Mothers can be idealized, fathers can mirror, but it's (slightly) more likely to be the other way around.
Yes
Coming at this as a dynamic therapist and a believing Catholic, I'd argue with you on the transitional existence of religion. I think for most, it exists there; I think some come to a false belief of putting full faith in propositions - a God of reason. There's a different experience not accounted for in your lecture or in the transitional; that is, encountering God as person - that's the position of the Russians and Greeks- when God is known as person, the mystery isn't lifted but is deepened because we can only know a person in part and through relational experience. In this sense, God isn't a transitional object but an actual object like a mother; everything else in religion then becomes associated with but not God; as a simile, just as the house and church and toys etc. are all part of mom or the experience of her but mom is the human object/subject we relate to. Maybe another way to look at it, the movie is transitional but can also convey real truth; in this case, one leaves the movie behind but keeps the truth although the movie may always be associated with the movie to a degree.
Well, I tend to agree: God is Mom
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Fantastic.
Don would you ever do a short piece on the Dora case based on what we know now for effective practice? What I mean is making reflective suggestions from your consultancy knowledge base on how to approach the analytics material and best respond using the psychoanalytical dialogues you encourage
What I would mostly have to say about the Dora case is that the analyst should not collude with the patient’s father who wishes to pimp out his daughter to the husband of the woman he is having an affair with.
Thank you, Professor!
In about 36:05 it is stated that Freud somehow equated mourning with reality testing. But what about the internalization of the lost object, “the object casts his shadow on the ego”? Yes, he indeed tried to differentiate between mourning and depression but in the end of that paper he somewhat confusingly equated the two.
Right, so we should not confuse the two.
@@doncarveth I understand, but isn't it closer to truth that depression and mourning rely on the same processes? In that case your critique of Freud's apparent oversimplification of mourning would not be true (provided that we accept the confusing ending of the paper on Depression).
Svetozar But I think depression and morning are quite different. Depression is like field morning.
Yeah I get it now. Another thing- your colleague Michael argues that it is not necessarily the truthfulness of the intepretatio but its effect on the listener. The way an interpretation is given (prosodic qualities) is sometimes equally important as its truthfulness. A group of Serbian psychoanalysts (to whom I owe much of what I know) emphasizes this aspect- citing interesting studies of Homeric discourse (Baker) and Elsner- the stream of linguists who turned away from De Saussure’s primacy of language as a system over language as a spoken discourse.
There you go Benji
Nice passing references to Margaret Mahler in this lecture. Is there more we that should be aware of with her work? I don’t heard you mention her that much in your other lectures
Good idea, I’ll add it to the list of possible topics, thanks
Again anger is truer than hate, hate is the stored repressed aggressive intent provocative, but yes we although i haven't gotten back on a course yet . hatred repressed fear ---anger sadness, but then becomes hatred, eventually projected out the latest COV2 is symptomatic of this project it onto the elderly and frail , yes exactly the narcissistic mother got it in one Don absolutely the envious Mother in her role of mother is threatened by the loss of her son , happened to me when I found my "soul mate " , as if she was saying I am going to lose you so , yes exactly it is tthe child in the mother that herself experienced a deeper sense of being unwanted, unloved now must develop this qausi role which she lives through, hurt and jealous, there is always some of this in alll mothers a kind of reverse Oedipus complex. Yes exactly Dr Spock do not cuddle your baby , plugs straight into the original fear, I mustn't feel close it feels somehow unnatural, because as a child i wasn't
Can you help me understand Imaginative Elaboration””??
P: I want a better life.
A: What would that look like?
Of body functioning
The screen is totally white out .....
I guess he's an A-Ha fan?
Interpretation is important. However, sometimes a patient can be too delusional without either patient or analyst being aware of this reality. Do children assimilate a mother's delusion, although, in a different form? An example could be a delusional Christian mother. The child denies Christianity, therefore, the child is left with cognizant dissonance that is transformed into a garden variety delusion.
Hi Don, I wonder if you’d ever do a little discussion on Winnicott’s Use of an Object paper published after his death in Playing & Reality (1971). David Milrod said “The central thesis of Dr Winnicott's paper is the proposition that the use of an object constitutes a more advanced and sophisticated stage of development than does relating to an object ... At first there is object-relating ... in the end there is object use. In between lies the area of most change, whereby the subject finally accepts the object's position outside the sphere of his omnipotent control as a separate, external entity, and not as a projected one.” (Milrod, 1968, p. 1)
There’s a shift from “relating” to “using” only after “the subject destroys the object.” I wonder what points and examples you have about surviving destructive attacks? I work with perpetrators of domestic abuse and their victims/partners/survivors. There must be much to say about aggression, destructiveness and creating a good object that I know you encourage from your Kleinian preference. I appreciate you’ve got your own research interests leading you in your own directions however.
Cheers, Dave (Sussex England)
I wrote this many years ago: www.yorku.ca/dcarveth/Winnicott.html