Out of the Shadows | Full Episode
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2023
- In late August 2023 investigators recovered multiple items of interest after searching the former Park City, Kansas, home of Dennis Rader, aka the BTK killer. Authorities now consider him a prime suspect in several unsolved cases, including the death of Cynthia Dawn Kinney.
For almost 20 years, a Kansas husband and father was suspected of murdering his wife, Vicki Wegerle, but the murderer was really the BTK killer. In 2005, "48 Hours" correspondent Erin Moriarty spoke to the Wegerle family about their long and painful ordeal. Watch more full episodes of "48 Hours" on Pluto TV.
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@@unfknblvable2c 28:34
I'm so impressed with the kids who grew up with people thinking their father was their mother's killer and still turned out fine and close knit. Exceptional upbringing I'd say.
Lie detectors have a horrible record.
They don't detect lies, they detect stress.
And it's normal to be stressed when you are under suspicion.
The lie detector doesn't detect stress it detects the poligraphers opinion of the suspect I passed 1 and lied on every question even my name then the second time told the truth and passed it detects a rise in blood pressure change in respiration and sweat on the fingers since you can't take any medication or use drugs or alcohol for 48 hrs before the test without my BP meds my BP was through the roof I was sweating in a cold room and had erratic breathing I had a "slight" stroke hrs after my second test
Exactly!
the operators know that fact and should be able to deal with it. The guy DID fail TWO polygraph tests
Obviously that's why lie detectors aren't acceptable in court.
Yet another direct connection between pornography and sex crimes.
Steven’s story has always been one of the most heartbreaking things I’ve ever heard. I saw a different interview and this poor man was completely devastated and he shoulders all the blame because he opened the door.
Just knowing that it’s 100% not his fault and still knowing that if it was me, I would feel the same guilt. It’s a life sentence of heartache when he has committed no crime.
I heard no mention of a dad in the home here, maybe one reason why the poor guy has carried the idea into his adulthood that he had to be the man of the house(?) Granted we don't know all the circumstances, as per usual with these shows, but I always feel for the kids the most. He said he was out "buying soup" for their mother (say WHAT??) Not having a dad in the home is a horribly sad thing for any kid unless the dad is a total monster.
Back then, we were taught it was polite to go answer the door of someone knocked! It was never his fault, but kids take that on. I wish he would let go of it, that monster would have come in if the door was opened to him or not.
@@cynthiamurphy3669There are plenty of monster mommy dearests out there too. They torture their own kids and family members.
he did open the door tho
@@hawj1212 So what? One of the other kids might have done so just as easily. He just got there first. The killer was going to come in whether or not the door was opened. Either that day or another.
I grew up in Wichita, during this era.
It is hard to convey the high level of Pure FEAR women felt. This documentary didn't mention how he would stake out a woman's house, cut the phone line, and hide inside waiting for her to return home. That became a routine for Wichita / Wichita area women coming home--immediately to go telephone, pick it up and listen for dial tone. It was such an automatic routine--unlock door, walk to phone, listen for dial tone.
This was before cell phones.
This monster terrorized the entire city.
So glad he is in prison for the rest of his worthless life. My only regret is the death penalty wasn't available then. If ever a man deserves the DP--it's this guy. I won't even write his name because I refuse to acknowledge him.
I thought he escaped the death penalty because he admitted to 10 murders, they are talking of revoking that deal now after discovering evidence there may be 1 if not more victims.
I think he kept 1 killing a secret, like a "special" one almost, just for him to keep in his mind. He's a sick individual. I hope the families of the missing girl gets answers soon.
I can't imagine the terror at that time, I don't know what I would have done.
@@stephanielloyd4053There is an article discussing the two disappearances of two more thought to be connected. The name of the piece is : B.T.K. Killer Named As Prme Suspect in Two Unsolved Cases and found in the New York Times.
I can't even imagine the terror...such an incredible scumbag....
@@stephanielloyd4053I believe it was mentioned that Kansas didn’t have the death penalty.
It wasn’t your fault, Steve. I know it’s hard not to feel like it is but you were just a baby and you didn’t know any better. I hope he comes to peace one day that he is in no way to blame for what happened to his mother. All the blame is on the monster who took his mother from them.
So sad to think that after all of these years, he is still haunted by a guilt that shouldn’t have been his to begin with, poor thing
I don't know.. He did let a stranger into the house. But then again it is his mom's fault for not teaching him better, soooo maybe it is her fault. But Steve didn't make it any easier.
@@yourerightiamright.3709I’m sure as a six year old he could have stopped him
@@yourerightiamright.3709 It’s not his fault or his mom’s fault that someone did an evil thing to her. That blame rests solely on the killer’s shoulders for making that choice.
@@yourerightiamright.3709 if you think it's anyone's fault but btk then you have serious issues mate. He would've got in that house regardless.
I've seen multiple BTK documentaries over the years, but wow this one really highlights the trauma he inflicted to the families of his victims. It makes you truly realise the magnitude of his crimes.
I agree.
Agreed! It was very well done.
To me, his face should always be blurred so he doesn't get the fame he wanted. If they had used to find him, that would be different, but afterward, no more images, no more use of his given nickname for himself, but the media makes money on docs. Still, they don't need to show clear pics of his face or use his name.
Missing many critical details!
@@tymom9313 like what???
My heart aches seeing Steve's pain 😢 i wish that pain and misplaced guilt could be removed from his heart and mind forever, i just want to hug him and tell him hes not to blame 😭
It is heartbreaking.
I wonder why btk let him and his sister live but not the other family's two kids.
@@BunnySlippers82My guess would be the children he spared reminded him in some way of his own children- he said he never killed anyone he knew. Maybe they seemed familiar. Those poor other children. That guy is either brain damaged in a way science hasn’t figured out yet, or he is demon possessed.
@@BunnySlippers82His methods changed as his need for more cruelty escalated maybe. Leave victims who will be tormented for the rest of their lives. At his trial he seemed to get off on the pain-filled victim impact statements and didn't like it when some victim's family members said they wouldn't give him their pain and called him out instead for being a loser.
I would tell this poor man to not give his mother's murderer another minute of his life because Rader is probably sitting in prison getting off on the pain his victim's families endures and feels empowered by it. I hope he sought out some kind of grief counseling to try to get some peace from his survivor's guilt.
Any child that abuses animals are to be watched very closely. Children are usually very loving toward animals and hate seeing them get hurt
Such behaviour rarely occurs just like that. It's more the caretakers and (social) environment needs to be observed.
its awful how the husband was literally the suspect for so long. i cannot believe what the children might have gone through
I watched this case a long time ago, I think it was on cold case files. I can’t imagine how his life was impacted by such an accusation.
This can't only impact the social aspect of one's life but also his career. If you are a suspect, people will distance themselves from you out of fear which is understandable. However, the impact this can have on one's life is probably irreversible.
i cant understand why man do such things like this, 10 victims, goes to church every Sunday and a leader with a wife and 2 kids? how? how? how?
It's pretty much what true crime social media does daily. It is awful
Yeah the spouse/partner is usually the biggest suspect. If he wasn't proven innocent, you know this comment section would be screaming it was him
This one is really hard because you can see how numb from the trauma the dad is. I hope they are doing better
It's dangerous when they keep calling polygraphs "lie detectors". It leads to misconceptions.
Exactly they need to do away with them completely
Absolutely for real, if a machine will say someone is a murderer when they are not That should never be used that is absolutely ridiculous.
I would not take one
I still want these awful machine's destroyed and put in a body language expert in the room while they interview them without a lawyer.
have you considered the media is the only sayng that? Police used "lie detectors" for the purpose that something may come out of it. not the result per se, but how people answers on the questions that may lead to a lead.
He was a suspect because spouse's are the usual suspects in murders of a spouse. and most people are too ignorant when the word "suspect" is considered criminal.
Steve we stand behind you. This man may have tried to take your mother from you but not her goodness and memories and her legacy. This monster was WEAK sad and twisted. The survivors are ten times stronger than the smallest iota of humanity in the monsters themselves.
I cried when the victim’s families spoke, and my heart aches the most for Steve 😢
You should hear them all this showed very little about the victims it didn't even name them all
Yeah, but you probably cry every episode.
Yes
i also thought for a moment on how BTK's children must feel. Just imagine that your dad turns out to be a serial killer. Thats got to be traumatic too. And pretty damaging.
@@StofStuiverhis daughter wrote a book about it, "Daughter of a Serial Killer", very interesting.
The man Steve blaming himself because he was 6 years old and simply answered the door. 💔😭 Absolutely heartbreaking.
Heartbreaking for all the families. The Wegerle family really went through the ringer. 💔
That aspect of Stevewas hard for me to watch too. He seems like a very sharp personality who would have really done well for himself if this had not transpired. The perp should have been handed over to him for disposition.
Seems like he was such a sweet kid, too - going to the store to get soup for his sick mother 💔
I’ll bet his mom told him not to be opening the door
I worked with Bill for almost 15 years and I never knew this about him. He never talked about it nor did anyone ever mention it. That’s because we had the upmost respect for him! Such a good man
Unbelievably sad that Steve has to live with guilt simply because he answered the door! The picture of him as a child versus him as an adult you can see the pain in his eyes. I hope that monster rots! Prays 🙏🏻 for all these families. Heartbreaking 💔
I'm sure this has taken a heavy toll on him from his personal relationships to how he deals with all that stress. It wouldn't be surprising if he were to have turned to drugs or alcohol to numb the pain.
He was just a kid doing what kids did back then.
Steve is the husband Brandon the son opened the door
Listening to Rader talk about what he did to Josephine was beyond blood curdling. There’s simply no way to ever imagine her terror at the hands of this… thing. Calling him a monster is an insult to monsters.
Ohhhhhh Steve, as a person that was once a child, I understand the guilt, but as a grown woman, and a mama, I can ASSURE YOU that you are not at fault! Your mother would be HEARTBROKEN to know that you blame yourself. That’s the absolute LAST thing she would want for you! You need to drop that. You need to understand that you are absolutely not at fault, in any way whatsoever! You were just an innocent child. And that’s all. Your mother does NOT want that pain on you! 💜
Yeah it's as easy as dropping it
If he could just drop it he would have.
10:18 I feel so bad for that guy Steve, you can tell he is fighting a war with himself :’(
Well you don't let the devil in the door and expect something good to happen.
@@yourerightiamright.3709 things were different in the 70s, most people Would open the door to a stranger back then
@@yourerightiamright.3709 If he had known who was at the door he wouldn't have opened it. How could he have known?
@yourerightiamright.3709 mate you've been trolling many comments on this video . Give it a rest
@@yourerightiamright.3709You're blaming a six year old?! The evil here is in you.
I hope people understand that by calling him “BTK” (which that demon invented) is another way of glorifying his acts. Stop giving him that name.
Whatevs. This world is in a bad state right now, we got bigger fish to fry.
POS is more apt.
True
For the man who was a suspect for 18yrs , NO ONE even mentioned his wifes stolen car. Not looked for by the cops or even talked about AGAIN? W.T.F.
Police get tunnel vision and ignore whatever doesn't fit their theores...for 35 years police tried to find who they believed was roxanne woods 'lover' so they could claim her husband killed her in a jealous rage ..despite the fact he had zero.time to commit the crime and uses the different hand then the killer..surprise...this other guy wasn't her lover but a serial predator who.raped and killed her..
Cops are lazy. They always take the path of least resistance.
Because it wasn’t stolen and he did it?
I have read that Rader parked the car a few blocks from her home after stealing it so it was located fairly quickly.
R.I.P to all the victims. My heart goes out to the families who endured years of torture, not knowing.
I feel so sorry for the victims families.
Erin Moriarty is my favorite news reporter. Her reporting and interview skills are impeccable and role model worthy. 🌹
I can’t pick one of them, but if I do, I like Keith Morrison from dateline. But they are all great in my opinion.
Keith Morrison is the all-rime worst. Moriarty is no great shakes. There are so many better reporters, such as Peter Van Sant and a number of other 48 Hours people, including the best of them all, Richard Schlesinger.
@jimwerther753 Like I said, that's my opinion, and you certainly have the right to have yours.
@@laurenmay2098
Indeed, even if Keith Morrison should be defenstrated.
I like quite a few journalists but Ms. Moriarty's cadence and empathy are superb.
Dennis Rader damaged and ended so many innocent lives 💔 I've seen the interviews with his daughter, she's such a strong and remarkable woman
You think? It’s been awhile since I’ve seen any of her interviews but I found her to be very forgiving of her fathers crimes and kinda odd. I could be wrong though. I may try to watch one after this video.
Really? She seems like she loves the attention because she's the daughter of the BTK killer and have openly said she loves her beloved dad and he was a wonderful father and also she has forgiven all his crimes. Who tf she think she is to forgive his crimes? The God? All the families of victims are repulsed by her constant seeking of attention and profiting by writing books about the torture that victims endured at the hands of her father. She is her father's daughter no doubt. She continues to victimize families and I think she enjoys it just like her father. She's utterly despicable
Thank you so so much for this episode, although it is older: RIP Det Landwehr. I have always been fascinated with the Wichita BTK story, but was tired of only hearing about the victimizer. Hearing the victim’s story and a show dedicated to the lasting impact of experiencing such trauma is very important, in my opinion. My eyes welled with tears as I heard of those adult children STILL AFFECTED by the community blaming their FATHER for the crime; this is extremely sobering for me. Gosh. I pray I never verbally hurt people, especially based on assumption due to popular opinion rather than facts!
Ditto!!
This talked about him more there was so little about the victims both living and dead
All of those people who taunted, accused and bullied this poor family should be ashamed!
Thank you 48 Hours for full episodes on Utube. I check every single night for these episodes. I so look forward to them when I go to bed. My favorite show for true crime and investigations.
Yes i agree . i Even Look Up Old Cases On Their Page To See if They Recovered it They Have The Best Updated Episodes Literally
Poor Steve. I feel his guilt so much. I also let a man into our family to did unimaginable things. Same age actually, but we were just kids. We didn't knew better, no one of his victims are at fault, just the person who decided to do that to us and our families.
I’m truly sorry for what happened to you and your family. I hope healing can begin or has begun.
Oxo
I laugh all the time about him expecting the police to tell the truth about a floppy disk being traceable 😭
LOL. Tells you he wasn't smart, it's the police didn't do their jobs.
Blown up ego. It betrayed him
So sad for all these families. Erin M. did an outstanding job in presenting the hurt and trauma of the families.
I can't imagine loosing your wife in such a violent fashion then having so many in the community thinking you had something to do with it.
The daughter looks SO much like her mama! ❤
And, how did BTK develop the photos of the crime scenes/murders? Did he have access to a dark room? Perhaps a Polaroid camera?
Polaroid
Some Polaroids the earliest few some he developed himself the majority of them it's not hard to make your bathroom into a temporary darkroom but I'd venture to guess he used an empty church to setup his darkroom and develop pictures
Please don't call him by that nickname.
@@pazza4555 huh
You can pass a polygraph test and the police can legally lie to you and say you failed it.
Yeah you can also pass 1 and lie on every question including is your name your name then turn around and pass it telling the truth I've done it
People dont understand in prison they get free medical care and food, what justice is that.
He is no longer considered the BTK but is now known as the POS for taking the lives of the innocent.
Then why does everyone still say btk
@@davidwoermansr people can call him what they want.
@@kimrichards5576 just saying he's still know as btk and will always be just like the night stalker and green river killer hardly anyone knows their names but say those 3 names everyone knows who you're talking about
@@davidwoermansr Correct! I was just saying that they are also known as POS for what they have done to the innocent. I guess I should have worded my comment differently.
Kim rich was saying he’s pos, he liked being called btk so ya ill call him `pos
So sorry the husband, and the rest of his family, had to go through that incredible emotional, mental and physical, painful system mistake.
There was no system mistake the husband is always a suspect especially when he never comes home for lunch but the day he drives all the way across the city to do so he finds her dead 15 minutes after getting home and finding the baby alone after seeing someone else driving her car it's a good thing the system didn't fail and manufacture evidence against him after failing 2 polygraphs
I can't believe he managed to away with it for so long, then his massive ego and stupidity got him caught by sending a floppy disk, of all things, directly to the police.
My heart breaks for steve and all the others. Poor steve should never have had to learn such rage and pain so young. What a horrible nightmare for everyone.
Aww, wished Steve was able to empty his heart and say what he needed to say in court 😢😢😢
How does an ordinary mortal talk to the Devil?
And to think the Devil actually peeled his 'saintly' mask for little Stevie to see him face to face long before anyone else had; and to witness first hand his evil deeds long before a confession was even deemed possible. All this, even as the Devil, true to his deceiving nature, also planted the 'seed of culpability' in Stevie little 6 yr old trusting mind, for having opened the door to him!
I pray Stevie will find God and receive complete deliverance from the Devil and live the rest of his days, fully & truly rest assured that God will indeed not only speak to the Devil on his behalf but also shall avenge him on his behalf.
dude had his own branding and created his own marketing logo jfc.... i remember his comment about arousal when slaughtering chickens. i live on a farm now, I have to get someone else to slaughter the broiler chickens so that I can process them. just cant slaughter them. even the cows for our beef.... i can understand indifference but arousal at death is something I cannot wrap my head around. a truly, truly despicable human being
After watching true crime for few years, now I am questioning myself for being so interested in cases like this. My sister has chickens and ducks. She said she doesn’t killed them, it is only to harvest eggs. Sometimes animals from the are do killed them, and we all cry. Her dog was killed by a snake, and we all cry. These monsters are wired differently, they most to be.
The DA was a hoot! I love her personality and candour!
Cynthia Dawn Kinney and other victims associated with this case deserve proper justice. This types of issues should never go unresolved.
Easy to say. If there's no evidence. There's no evidence.
You ever hear of beyond a reasonable doubt
@@maiden1520any DNA left?
@@Ann-sj4pt . So? If you don't have anyone to compare it to
I just can't imagine a good man coming home to a nightmare come to life. The years of suspicion could prompt some to commit suicide. I'm glad this family held up though.
Yeah just like the texas killing feilds land owner so many accused him and he committed suicide. turns out he was innocent truly just a good man trying to help with the investigation on his land...
I LIKE that female DA! Tough as nails, smooth as silk, yet still tender hearted. Excellent stuff for a District Attorney.
After 22 years of marriage myself, I refuse to believe Rader's wife of nearly three decades *didn't recognize* her husband's voice on that 14-sec phone call.
That's all I'm saying. No.Way.
They asked his co-worker of 11 years and she couldn’t either
@@shadoejones3288 yeah i also have doubt about that
In my opinion, that is disgusting how the people
React to the husband and his children , treated all this year's sort society was worse as the killer himself Shane of them to rest of they lives
F.
Horrible monster; don't think this evil man will ever realize how much hurt he has caused to families; especially children😢may these victims rest in peace and the families find comfort in each other🙏
His daughter said he is a psychopath, so he will never understand what he had done. He is all about himself.
@@laurenmay2098 💯🙏
He doesn't care!! X
@@PaganPunk 😢so sad that there are so many psychopaths out there.
The odds of Steve reading this is zero to none, but instead of him thinking its his fault his mother has died, he needs to realize if it werent him opening the door probably him and his siblings would have suffered the same fate of poor little Josephine and her little brother. Rader asked him if he recognized him and then saw steven again and because of this one interaction their little lives thankfully were saved. It certainly was never his fault ❤
How he got to live another day is beyond me after conviction.
This is one of the most terrifying scary killers i have ever heard about in all my years of watching true crime
Agree 👍 wish I did not watch the video . Too horrific.
Steve is doing awful these days. What he saw scarred him deeply. Horrible.
Poor man, feeling awful he opened the door. He was a child, he had no way of knowing.
The wives of the Green River Killer and John Wayne Gacy also had no idea they were married to the killer! Gary Ridgway's wife changed her name and moved to an undisclosed location. Gacy once said he cleaned up the last drop of blood before his wife walked in the door. It's concerning that so many people go online and bring total strangers to their home for a hook up.
I've studied Dark Personalities in depth for 10 yrs. People can seem very nice and caring but there's always red flags.
Oh and Steve’s story. His story has to be the most gut wrenching. No wonder he has faced challenges. Sometimes people experience such horror their sense of “bottom” is so low, the average person cannot imagine how low it goes.
The look on DR’s face when the families walked out @ 40:50 was the only time I saw him show emotion during trail, & that was b/c he was really disappointed he wasn’t in control!! It’s the best thing they could’ve ever done!!💔
Thank you 48hours for putting this full episode on
I currently live in Wichita & still just am shocked that this happened in this city. The amount of people impacted by Dennis Rader is absolutely so sad & hearing that there may be more victims now is even worse.
They've always suspected there was more
@@davidwoermansr I have done so much research on him and never heard that there was suspected to be more victims until recently but it makes sense
@@MayAllYourStarsAlign a new killer is getting attention and studied him so to be relevant again he had to bring up 1 he was holding back he can't handle someone getting attention with his name involved that's what got him caught someone wrote a book about him
@@davidwoermansr i watched the video too lol I’m aware. I literally live in the city that he did his killings in and live 20 minutes from where he is in prison at El Dorado.
serial killers often live normal lives but are evil people lurking in the shadows & they live in all types of towns.
I love the female attorney, i could watch more of her
I wish people wouldn't give "victim impact statements". They're just fodder for the demons they're directed at. They love your pain, they rejoice in the memory your sorrow evokes. They feel no shame, no regret, no remorse, just the pleasure of you bearing your wounded souls to them.
I agree but it seems impact statements are thought to help survivors to heal.
To this day I don’t understand the myth that these guys are ultra smart.
"why did you lie to me?"... Like, seriously? 🤦🏻♀️
Because those that see themselves as HIGHLY INTELLIGENT, stroke their own ego by saying that the BAD GUY WAS HIGHLY INTELLIGENT, BUT I !!! WAS MORE INTELLIGENT AND CAUGHT HIM......
@@nofilter.906 A narcissist.
Wow. She blessed him with 2 beautiful kids before she left this cruel place. Bless their hearts.
If ever anyone was born evil it was him. I also hope all the parents that accused that dad of killing his wife felt like garbage when they found out they were wrong. Tragic all the way around 😪
That poor man, Steve. I cried hearing him say he still blames himself. He was a child who opened the door😢 My heart goes out to all the victims families.
I love how Erin *_Moriarty_* is a crime investigator/reporter.
That was my grandmothers favorite song(Pretty Woman)😭😭 I miss her dearly
I feel so bad for all the families. The wake of destruction he caused is huge, including on his on family. What a sick person and truly scary.
And his daughter is revictimizing them now 20 years later
Never feel guilty for someone else's evil that you can't control. Much love to you and your family for what you've been through.
Reporters and victims are always wondering why these individuals commit these crimes but is there any reason sufficient enough?? There is no reason why, people who commit these crimes are pure evil. He wasn’t abused, he just literally liked it.
I think it's because most normal people are so far removed from those motivations that they literally can't fathom it. They scramble for any "reason" because it helps them accept it. It's sad. No reason will ever be justifiable.
Psychopaths and pure evil people walk among us. The Green River killer's wife also had no idea. She changed her name and moved to an undisclosed location.
He did it, bc he wanted to.
@@einienj3281 yeah, and a lot of people can't process that. They don't understand that someone seemingly so normal and human could be that depraved behind doors.
@@einienj3281 it's concerning that a lot of people meet someone on line and bring them to their house for hook ups.
I Look forward to Every Tuesday!! Thank you 48 Hours!!
How about Friday?
@@jimwerther What about Friday??
@@joanzarutskie1417
48 Hours posts new episodes Tuesday and Friday mornings, 7:am eastern.
@@jimwerther Didn't know that!! Thanks for letting me know!! ☺️🤗
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Absolutely heartbreaking! The victims are someone's family, mother, sister, daughter, husband, brother etc. Killers are so disgustingly selfish & evil. They steal away the most precious lights. They destroy & traumatized so many. I hate them.
Good for you but they don't care what you think and will continue killing if only it was as easy as people hating them they'd never do it
This poor family ... and all the families. DR was a psycopath, not a sociopath. There's a difference. So sad. 😢
My god this was difficult to watch. I kept looking away from the screen even though I've watched so many true crime documentaries. I feel for the victims and their families. Especially Steve. Breaks my heart to hear him speak. All those kids who had their mothers taken from them. That's the worst kind of wounding. I applaud the courage of these families ❤
My kids were healed when their mother was taken from them so it's not the worst kind of pain
Truly so sad all these families torn apart!
These poor grown kids. They are frozen where they were that day. Poor Steve. 😢
I am just so very sorry that the victims and their dear families had to suffer because of that soulless man.
One of the situations of this story that really gets me is when Dennis raider actually asked the officer why he lied to him about the floppy disk (We had a great thing going) like this Cat and mouse game He thinks that was something special And that should never stop Even with the fact that it involves him killing people That is just messed up.
What a wonderful family....the father is one of the best man I've ever saw. Two fantastic kids (now adults) the same attitude. Lot of love from Italy. Francesco.
After watching this, what I find most frightening is how someone who looked and behaved so sociable and normal could hide such a deviant and twisted mind and personality. Everyone in his family, church and work thought they knew Dennis Rader but they only saw the false image he projected. Just knowing it is possible opens the door to doubting everyone else. All the people who knew him were victims too.
Dennis calls it the “cube” showing different sides of himself. Fascinating and disturbing
Polygraphs. Don't. Work.
I wish they'd stop using them because they don't work 🙄
@@Adventurousavacado. I talked to a former officer who administered them. He said that the value is in people BELIEVING they work, and therefore confessing, or in all the questions they can ask around the event.
There is a movie called "Professor Marston and the Wonder Women" that is about the inventor of the polygraph (who also created the comic, Wonder Woman) and it gives you an idea of the junk science behind it.
@@Adventurousavacado.there’s a reason why they’re not admissible in court. They’re not accurate. They read how nervous you get, you can be telling the truth but if you’re nervous it’ll show as if you’re lying.
There was a boy in a neighborhood I lived in that killed small animals. His family ended up moving out the neighborhood because of this crazy kids actions. I remember the mom crying to me about what to do with this kid. She knew he was not right in the head. I had a listing a few years ago and I met the creepy kid/son of the owner. You know when you meet these people. You just ignore it and dismiss it and make excuses for it. The creepy kid I met at a listing was arrested soon after for awful things. When I heard he was arrested I went back to those initial feelings I had when I met him. You just ignore those feelings and push them down.
The strangest part of this story to me is his taking pictures of himself in drag tied up. I just can't wrap my head around him wanting to identify with the victims.
I feel so deeply for all these families but Steve kills me. For a child to carry that guilt and pain all his life because of this monster is really unthinkable. I think of my own kids and what they would be left to do if they lost me at such a young age in such a manner. Life in prison just doesn’t seem enough.
A 900 sq. ft. home and the wife never discovered the container with young girls pictures? Yeah right. She didn't notice scratches on him when one of the women had his skin under her nails? I'm so tired of the same ol' story where the wives don't know anything, it's just as sickening as the killers.
Yeah, I don't blame the wives. Frankly, people are really good at hiding things. Have you been married? Not like you are together 24 hrs a day.
They obtained a DNA sample from his daughters pap smear? How can they get a warrant for her DNA? I don't understand how that stood up in court?
This alarmed me so much. That HAS to be a violation of patient rights. If not, I’m soooooo glad I don’t live in Kansas.
@@michellehernandez818 Yes, it is a direct violation of patients' rights. And it's also unconstitutional. She was not a criminal. There was no reasonable suspicion or probable cause concerning her. The collection of her DNA violates the 4th Amendment. Illegal Search and Seizer.
The police obtained a search warrant from the doctor.
@@madamemontespan9418 A doctor cannot grant that permission. That is against the law. She was NOT a suspect, nor was there probable cause. That is a direct violation of the 4th amendment. Illegal search and seizure.
@richardsejour7731 What's to keep some corrupt cop or District Attorney from using this tactic to frame an innocent person? We just can't turn a blind eye to a direct violation of the Illegal search and seizure clause in the Constitution.
You can tell by his smile telling the story he really loves her still. ❤ polygraph is inadmissible for a reason.
The love binding this beautiful family emanates from the poor husband and children.
Hearing them speak so beautifully about their mum, overwhelms me completely.
Her poor husband is totally broken and seeing him like that, is very upsetting.
I wish, I knew how to make them better.
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I am a lifelong resident of
Wichita, Kansas..... and "BTK" is back in the headlines and top story yet again!
Rest in Peace to all of those innocent lives that were stolen over time....
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and peace be with those who loved them, and left behind....
Dear Steve, You could not have acted with suspicion when that knock on the door came, because you had not yet learned when not to trust. That means you acted normally and with innocence. You were as much a victim of this evil man as was your mom. Please consider asking the Lord to help you forgive yourself for what was never your fault. He can be counted on. God bless you!
It just goes to show you that you shouldn't trust someone, just because they go to church.
It always horrifies me thinking about the torturing of animals during the early lives of these serial killers. No telling what kinds of pains & sufferings little kittens and puppies have endured at the hands of these young future killers. This is one of the top 5 symptoms that these kids are going to display if they are going to grow up to be predators/killers; so parents need to be on watch for their kids doing bad things to animals and immediately get them some mental help. Dahmer's father discovered a shed in the backyard where young Jeffrey had collected animal bones and had some animals in jars of acid dissolving. THAT is NOT a normal thing a young boy should be doing in his spare time!! If Dahmer's father could have gotten him help at this point things could have been different. With BTK he could have gotten help too if his parents had been observant enough to discover those magazines with covers with women in bondage, that was 1 of their red flags.
too long. shorter, pls.
The magazines were after he killed when he stopped killing that they know of and my kids have grown up shooting critters and helping with the butchering and never became criminals
Nope. People like that can not be fixed by therapy.
When cops have no evidence or other suspects, they still shouldn't focus on the "most likely", aka the partner, with a tunnel vision.. and I'm so sick of the rubbish polygraph.. innocent people suffer from it time and time again..
Refusal to take a lie detector and the investigators automatically assume you are a suspect-this case is a perfect example of why I would never take one- I have learned a lot from watching 48 Hours one always get an attorney and never take a lie detector and do not interview with detectives or say anything they have tactics and experience with getting people to admit things they didn’t do too many innocent people have been falsely accused and even sentenced to the death penalty which I once believed in and now don’t-I believed an eye for an eye justice but what if that was you falsely accused or sentenced?
The cops work with the prosecution. 100%
I would never EVER tell my kid about things they could go back and hurt another innocent child with.
My kids have always been told to support and care for the emotional and physical needs of other kids at school as best they can. 😢
Amen Bill Wegerle. It would be wonderful if no one corresponded or had contact with that monster and deprived him of what he wants most now. I’m so sorry he devastated your family and so many other families in Wichita.
Soooo sorry for the victims families! Heart breaking!
Three squares a day, probably t.v. and a exercise gym for the rest of his life! The victims did NOT get justice. To not have the death penalty in a heinous case like this, is heinous in itself!
What a pleasant family. I hate that this happened to them.
I will never understand how a human being can take another human being's life and live a normal life himself as if it had never happened. All those families of his victims had to live without the family member that never did anyone any harm and wonder why? Demonic and senseless.
I have never heard all these gory details before. Coming from 40 minutes north of Wichita, I had always kept track of the goings on with this case after he began playing with the news in the 2000's. How truly disgusting and scary that he was able to hide his true self for so long. And how awful for his family to bear the shame of him. But most of all, how truly tragic for all of his victims and their families whom he destroyed.