I think Hodel, being a life-long investigator, did a tremendous job in his book, supporting his argument with documentation. I believe that it was written, not only as a narrative to convince the reader that he's solved the case, but also as a theraputic journey through several painful epiphanies. What person, especially a police officer, would want to come to the conclusion that their father was a murderer? That lends a lot of credibility to his case.
This film is so freakin' stylish I love it, even though the storytelling might be weird. But I don't think it's fair that this movie is torn apart by so many haters...I really enjoyed it, even watched it several times in the movie theatre.
I chose to research this case for a law assignment, pretty heavy stuff, the reason the case wasn't solved was because reporters would obstruct justice, they'd answer phones at detectives desks and withhold the information they learned from the police, also the fact that the reporters would also be the first ones to the scenes, trampling evidence; not to mention stealing evidence too
Once upon a time in Hollywood, lived a beautiful girl, all she ever wanted was to be famous, she became famous, she became... infamous. Elizabeth Short, "The Black Dahlia". Smile, everyone's watching.
Im here because of LA Noire too, But after I knew this is the real Story, I feel sorry for Ms E Short how she died and never find the "cold blood" murder.
Death In Vegas - Dirge Dirge - means like a sad song for the dead or something. Im soo touched by her sad story I feel sad for her yet fascinated at the same time
ok the trailer is intresting...the director is depalma....the story is based on true story....and the film is rather new === im guna watch it..thanx 4 posting
Saw it on the TV yesterday( Missed the first 45 minutes ) But I strongly recomend it. it's good and has the retro noir fibe pinned down quite well So go and rent it right noaw!
Although the Hollywood rendition is a fictional film this theme I think should not keep people from being cautious. Cautious does not mean to not take action rather but to question the actions that some take for granted. Pointing at the internet and blaming cyberspace I think is a wasted spending of time as what is digital... is a Safe Space. A proverbial shield from all the burns. A sedentary utopia for sharing honest kindness and thinking freely. Although there is a lot more good in the world than bad (so I desire to believe), it is annoying that 5 bad things can have 100 Good things questioned. I've been told before verbally " I will see what I can do " and suddenly am muted. " We are here to help " sometimes can mean " Until I make it you don't. " Trustworthiness is more valuable than diamond or any valued stone I think one reason I stay happy is considering the good (which there is much) and the bad like the thing that leads some people to end up like in this movie (based on true events) is about " timing " and honestly following guidance. " LA Blues " is an understatement for the " Collateral " paid if a guess is wrong. Happy Good and Peaceful Disposition is the alternative & there is no shortage of " Good Ending " stories for the (to me) very " Bad Ending " this film shares... Yet for every " Taken " there at least 10 Kaleido Stars (times 12 =3) So... Not being " Dreary " -- simply sharing being cautious is as important as being persistent, determined or passionate. There are good people all around. It's avoiding the cruelly bad people that allows continued cheers and celebration. Not everything is bad. This movie was good at showing how bad truly bad really is. In music, in video games, in movies like this one... is where Ms. Short should stay. In a world so full of good why do some choose to hurt others? =S Paranoid is not the word for being cautious. Enjoy Life but be cautious. -F.I.L., -BAM! P.E.F. WAM! DJ, TIGER M! ^_~*
I'm watching Unsolved Mysteries and they were talking about the Black Dahlia. They said that she was subject to medical experiments hours before she had been killed. The person who killed her was supposedly a serial killer called "The Chest Stabber" in New Jersey. But how could that be? The original convict was a medical student who then commited himself to a mental hospital. Could it be that he was an accomplice? Or was the Jersey Chest Stabber a completely independent entity? O.o Spooky!
Exactly! I'm a huge true crime buff, so when I saw the trailor for this movie, I knew I HAD to see it. I snuck into it on my birthday and I was so dissapointed. The Black Dahlia was a minor subplot and the movie was all about those two damn cops. I was so glad I didn't pay anything to see it.
Actually the book this film is based upon is veeeery good. Ellroy just nailed it, took a real life tragedy and made it timeless. Hope the movie does at least a little justice to it, haven't watched it yet
Keep in mind that he was retired at the time and therefore a civilian. Their opinions, when not sanctioned by a police department, mean little or nothing. Also remember that being a civilian, were he correct, he would put to shame all of the detectives that had worked on the case before him because he solved the case without the privellege that goes with the badge. I say read the book and draw your own conclusion, but why would he want to be known as the son of a murderer (or serial killer)?
A friend of mine saw this and he enjoyed it. I think I may definitely have to check it out now. And to whoever said it's not "L.A. Confidential"...it's not supposed to be. It's in the same genre though, "film noir".
@dasfsadg its called the chelsea smile and the glasgow grin. gangs in those areas used to just make little cuts in the corners of their victims mouth and then torture them so they would scream. when they screamed their mouth would rip ear to ear. gruesome.
why thank you, finally. and i watched that movie recently and didn't even realise it played surprisingly. I actually heard it during the credits of the hunger games and was the last one to leave the cinema because i think i was hypnotized.
i seen this movie when back in 06, but had no idea on its message. After playing LA Noire, i was wondering why the name elizabeth short seemed familiar... its all coming back to me now...damn.
she does the role of Elizabeth Short, and Mia appears several times in the film, but only in flashblacks. So her charachter is not consider as a main one. However, she'a a big part of the film.
I think the movie was bad because so much was cut out of it. Brian De palma (Director of the film) original cut was a little over three hours which apparently was great but due to certain reasons the film was edited and cut down to 2 hours and 1 minute
This film was BASED on the black dahlia murder. It's not entirely accurate beacause it wasn't supposed to be. It takes the basic concept of the murder, and adapts it to suit the film. It would have been a far weeker film had it been left without a killer. In fact, making the killer who it was, gave the film quite a good twist.
I love this trailer....Unfortunately I hated the movie. For anyone who is interested in The Black Dahlia mystery...you will be very disappointed. The movie is based on James Ellroy's novel of the same name. He used Elizabeth Short's death and added it into a fictional story line. The movie shouldn't even have been called The Black Dahlia...the murder and events surrounding the investigation occur 30 mintues into the film after a confusing and strange introduction of the main characters.
interesting movie,, but i was so lost half way through it i didnt`know what was going on. It starts out as a boxing movie, then a shoot out at the same time the girl is discovered. Then he accidentaly meets one of the killers,, names thrown around,, i couldn`t keep track of who was who, or who was the good guys or bad guys. Very convoluted story line. Scarlett Johanssen stars out as a main character then dissappears for half the movie. What a mess.
What I commented with was the summation of our groups case study regarding the role that the press played in the Black Dahlia killer never being captured. And to digress, wikipedia is a website open for people to edit their pages, so yeah... Something to ponder.
If someone wanted or still wishes to do a film about the Black Dahlia they should focus on Elizabeth Short and events surrounding her life and death. Unfortunately, just as the Jack the Ripper victims Short has become a subject rather than a victim
I haven't watch this. But I think... the reason people didn't like this movie was because nobody read the book before. This whole movie was based on the book which is more about the relationships people have with each other over the murder. So yeah.
Wasn't a bad film. It is hard to adapt a film off of one of Ellroys novels. L.A. Confidential was once in a lifetime kind of thing and I don't think that anyone could adapt another one of his novels with an equal amount of success. It doesn't sound like the White Jazz adaption is going to go very well and I would be happy to see it work but I think it is unlikely.
I read the book severed by John Gilmore which I found very interesting. Its worth a look he reckons the killer confessed to him. The killer Jack Anderson Wilson, aka Grover loving, Jr, aka Arnold Smith, is also connected to the murder of Georgette Bauerdorf who new Elizabeth short. I did not think much of this film.
Honestly, a lot of people are killed all over the globe and never caught their killers. I think Hollywood give serial killers the fame they need to feel rectified. However, I do watch movies about serial killers and study them. This is slightly hypocritical , but they could at least honor the victims. She got famous for all the wrong reasons. The least they could do is actually tell her story . This is an awfully acted ridiculous soap opera pretty much.
I take it he fell in love with Elizabeth and has an attraction for women that look like that. This film is on Film4 in about.. 45 mins so i might watch it :)
I think Hodel, being a life-long investigator, did a tremendous job in his book, supporting his argument with documentation. I believe that it was written, not only as a narrative to convince the reader that he's solved the case, but also as a theraputic journey through several painful epiphanies. What person, especially a police officer, would want to come to the conclusion that their father was a murderer? That lends a lot of credibility to his case.
15 Years since, but I hope you realise Hodel is full of lies
honestly this was one of THE scariest movies I've ever seen. The final scene freaked me out so much
She really was beautiful. It's sad that she became more famous when she was dead than when she was alive.
right
This film is so freakin' stylish I love it, even though the storytelling might be weird. But I don't think it's fair that this movie is torn apart by so many haters...I really enjoyed it, even watched it several times in the movie theatre.
I chose to research this case for a law assignment, pretty heavy stuff, the reason the case wasn't solved was because reporters would obstruct justice, they'd answer phones at detectives desks and withhold the information they learned from the police, also the fact that the reporters would also be the first ones to the scenes, trampling evidence; not to mention stealing evidence too
This movie had so much potential, so much talent and pedigree. And in the end it all ends up a mess. :-(
Once upon a time in Hollywood, lived a beautiful girl, all she ever wanted was to be famous, she became famous, she became... infamous. Elizabeth Short, "The Black Dahlia". Smile, everyone's watching.
The song is called "Dirge" by Death in Vegas (I first heard it in the Demonlover trailer and had to get it too)
This film was shot in my country, Bulgaria in a little miner's town called Pernik. There's something about this town cause directors really like it.
Im here because of LA Noire too, But after I knew this is the real Story, I feel sorry for Ms E Short how she died and never find the "cold blood" murder.
Death In Vegas - Dirge
Dirge - means like a sad song for the dead or something. Im soo touched by her sad story I feel sad for her yet fascinated at the same time
one of my favourite movies liek ever
"Cherchez la femme, Bucky. Remember that."
The woman who played Elizabeth Short in this also plays Elena's vampire mother in the vampire diaries.
Love Josh Hartnett’s voice ❤.
Such a handsome guy ❤
ok the trailer is intresting...the director is depalma....the story is based on true story....and the film is rather new === im guna watch it..thanx 4 posting
hey thanks a lot, I love that song, with just "la,la,la" or something like that, and an incredible addictive rhythm. have a nice day.
i soooooooooo wanna see it!! and mia kirshner looks great.. i wonder if she was in the movie much.
this realy was a good movie
Saw it on the TV yesterday( Missed the first 45 minutes ) But I strongly recomend it.
it's good and has the retro noir fibe pinned down quite well
So go and rent it right noaw!
Brian De Palma, the maestro.
i looooove this movie. :D
and the book too.
Although the Hollywood rendition is a fictional film this theme I think should not keep people from being cautious. Cautious does not mean to not take action rather but to question the actions that some take for granted. Pointing at the internet and blaming cyberspace I think is a wasted spending of time as
what is digital... is a Safe Space. A proverbial shield from all the burns.
A sedentary utopia for sharing honest kindness and thinking freely.
Although there is a lot more good in the world than bad (so I desire to believe),
it is annoying that 5 bad things can have 100 Good things questioned.
I've been told before verbally " I will see what I can do " and suddenly am muted.
" We are here to help " sometimes can mean " Until I make it you don't. "
Trustworthiness is more valuable than diamond or any valued stone
I think one reason I stay happy is considering the good (which there is much)
and the bad like the thing that leads some people to end up like in this movie
(based on true events) is about " timing " and honestly following guidance.
" LA Blues " is an understatement for the " Collateral " paid if a guess is wrong.
Happy Good and Peaceful Disposition is the alternative & there is no shortage of " Good Ending " stories for the (to me) very " Bad Ending " this film shares...
Yet for every " Taken " there at least 10 Kaleido Stars (times 12 =3) So...
Not being " Dreary " -- simply sharing being cautious is as important as being
persistent, determined or passionate. There are good people all around. It's avoiding the cruelly bad people that allows continued cheers and celebration.
Not everything is bad. This movie was good at showing how bad truly bad really is. In music, in video games, in movies like this one... is where Ms. Short should stay. In a world so full of good why do some choose to hurt others? =S Paranoid is not the word for being cautious. Enjoy Life but be cautious. -F.I.L.,
-BAM! P.E.F. WAM! DJ, TIGER M! ^_~*
I'm watching Unsolved Mysteries and they were talking about the Black Dahlia. They said that she was subject to medical experiments hours before she had been killed. The person who killed her was supposedly a serial killer called "The Chest Stabber" in New Jersey. But how could that be? The original convict was a medical student who then commited himself to a mental hospital. Could it be that he was an accomplice? Or was the Jersey Chest Stabber a completely independent entity? O.o Spooky!
the movie came out in 2006... i wanna watch it too. there are playing good actors :) so i think its worth to watch it. good trailer too !
Exactly! I'm a huge true crime buff, so when I saw the trailor for this movie, I knew I HAD to see it. I snuck into it on my birthday and I was so dissapointed. The Black Dahlia was a minor subplot and the movie was all about those two damn cops. I was so glad I didn't pay anything to see it.
Was this a good movie? I'm thinking about getting the DVD.
...I think my desire to know who to trust before physically meeting them began after seeing this movie. ...
BAM! P.E.F. - WAM! DJ, TIGER M
I recommend it :) i have it on DVD.
Actually the book this film is based upon is veeeery good. Ellroy just nailed it, took a real life tragedy and made it timeless. Hope the movie does at least a little justice to it, haven't watched it yet
It was a good book, but it felt a bit wrong to make as it was a real life case.
Keep in mind that he was retired at the time and therefore a civilian. Their opinions, when not sanctioned by a police department, mean little or nothing. Also remember that being a civilian, were he correct, he would put to shame all of the detectives that had worked on the case before him because he solved the case without the privellege that goes with the badge. I say read the book and draw your own conclusion, but why would he want to be known as the son of a murderer (or serial killer)?
From the trailer, it looks like the greatest crime movie ever made. Then you watch it...
I was about to ask if this is worth watching. 😂
The movie trailer is much better than the movie itself.
I like this film
A friend of mine saw this and he enjoyed it. I think I may definitely have to check it out now. And to whoever said it's not "L.A. Confidential"...it's not supposed to be. It's in the same genre though, "film noir".
... something tells me 90 percent of this DIDN'T happened in the real case LOL 😂
@dasfsadg its called the chelsea smile and the glasgow grin.
gangs in those areas used to just make little cuts in the corners of their victims mouth and then torture them so they would scream. when they screamed their mouth would rip ear to ear. gruesome.
why thank you, finally. and i watched that movie recently and didn't even realise it played surprisingly. I actually heard it during the credits of the hunger games and was the last one to leave the cinema because i think i was hypnotized.
Awesome sauce. Always live movies about unsolved infamous murders.
the song is called dirge, by death in vegas
a great song
Mia kirshner my favourite actress!
She is wonderfoul!!!!
liked the movie, absoluttely loved the trailer!!!
btw does any one know the name of the song playing???
It was played near the end of the Last House on the Left remake. Maybe that's where you heard it?
Hate it when they make movies which bears no fact except for the dead victim of an UNSOLVED murder
- And then do "Destination: Morgue!" and "Crime Wave" back to back -
i seen this movie when back in 06, but had no idea on its message. After playing LA Noire, i was wondering why the name elizabeth short seemed familiar... its all coming back to me now...damn.
Where is Cole Phelps when you need him to solve the case??...
no one of hollywood's big mysteries
The song of this movies is by Dirge -Death In Vegas.
she does the role of Elizabeth Short, and Mia appears several times in the film, but only in flashblacks. So her charachter is not consider as a main one. However, she'a a big part of the film.
I think the movie was bad because so much was cut out of it. Brian De palma (Director of the film) original cut was a little over three hours which apparently was great but due to certain reasons the film was edited and cut down to 2 hours and 1 minute
I couldn't even finish watching this movie. Every scene was like a set up on an SNL skit.
well the Homicide Desk of LA Noire was The Black Dahlia Case :D
Whatever band that sings this song is awesome! Does anyone know this band's name? LMK. Thx!
So...this it where you get if you play L.A. Noire until 3 in the mourning...
this is a nice movie!! ok?
i almost trusted those left msg saying that this was a bad movie.....
i watched it and i really like it~!!
Not a bad movie but would have been much better if it completely stuck to the book.
I've never seen this movie but I was thinking of watching it. Is it as good as the trailer makes it out to be?
The movie would of been better if Brian DePalma used the original 4 hour cut
Rest in Peace, Elizabeth Short
I'm watching this tonight......... is it good?
This film was BASED on the black dahlia murder. It's not entirely accurate beacause it wasn't supposed to be. It takes the basic concept of the murder, and adapts it to suit the film.
It would have been a far weeker film had it been left without a killer. In fact, making the killer who it was, gave the film quite a good twist.
Josh is like always-HOT, even in 1947 :) very good movie and sad(and true) story about Elizabeth Short
Yeah she was. The autopsy pictures are quite a sight. Very sad though.
I agree about how the trailer looks better than the movie. But i do love it. Very interesting case i must say.
Does anyone think that 'Josh Hartnett' looks like a young 'Tommy Lee Jones'?
You can find it under Black Dahlia soundtrack, I really enjoy the pieces I think beter than the movie.
Nothing quite beats the Flinders University library, however if wikipedia is your thing by all means go for it.
whats the song`?
@Bridgninjagirl That was the nick name given to Elizabeth Short because she was known to wear Dahlias behind her ear.
I love this trailer....Unfortunately I hated the movie. For anyone who is interested in The Black Dahlia mystery...you will be very disappointed. The movie is based on James Ellroy's novel of the same name. He used Elizabeth Short's death and added it into a fictional story line. The movie shouldn't even have been called The Black Dahlia...the murder and events surrounding the investigation occur 30 mintues into the film after a confusing and strange introduction of the main characters.
aww me and my mum really wanna watch that but we cant find it anywer
interesting movie,, but i was so lost half way through it i didnt`know what was going on. It starts out as a boxing movie, then a shoot out at the same time the girl is discovered. Then he accidentaly meets one of the killers,, names thrown around,, i couldn`t keep track of who was who, or who was the good guys or bad guys. Very convoluted story line. Scarlett Johanssen stars out as a main character then dissappears for half the movie. What a mess.
honestly, no. somehow the trailer ends up looking more interesting then the actual movie which is ashame because it could have been great.
Not to mention your taste in movies.
I have read she gained the name "black dahlia" because she wore a lot of black AND as a reference to the blue dahlia movie
- Song is "Dirge" by 'Death in Vegas' -
What I commented with was the summation of our groups case study regarding the role that the press played in the Black Dahlia killer never being captured. And to digress, wikipedia is a website open for people to edit their pages, so yeah... Something to ponder.
one of them made her a smile
From this movie the game came out L.A. 4 ever!!!!
That's director Brian De Palma voicing the screen tester. Anyone else think he sounds a lot like Jeff Bridges?
If someone wanted or still wishes to do a film about the Black Dahlia they should focus on Elizabeth Short and events surrounding her life and death. Unfortunately, just as the Jack the Ripper victims Short has become a subject rather than a victim
ooh Chelsea smile! :D
Can I watch this movie online?
The song that was sang in the cabareth please ? The singer ?
I'm here because of LA Noire
~
And which Black Dahlia killer was that? FYI, over 60 people confessed to the crime in 1947, and LAPD had a firm list of seven prime suspects.
I haven't watch this. But I think... the reason people didn't like this movie was because nobody read the book before. This whole movie was based on the book which is more about the relationships people have with each other over the murder. So yeah.
Wasn't a bad film. It is hard to adapt a film off of one of Ellroys novels. L.A. Confidential was once in a lifetime kind of thing and I don't think that anyone could adapt another one of his novels with an equal amount of success. It doesn't sound like the White Jazz adaption is going to go very well and I would be happy to see it work but I think it is unlikely.
I read the book severed by John Gilmore which I found very interesting. Its worth a look he reckons the killer confessed to him. The killer Jack Anderson Wilson, aka Grover loving, Jr, aka Arnold Smith, is also connected to the murder of Georgette Bauerdorf who new Elizabeth short. I did not think much of this film.
Honestly, a lot of people are killed all over the globe and never caught their killers. I think Hollywood give serial killers the fame they need to feel rectified. However, I do watch movies about serial killers and study them. This is slightly hypocritical , but they could at least honor the victims. She got famous for all the wrong reasons. The least they could do is actually tell her story . This is an awfully acted ridiculous soap opera pretty much.
The song is Dirge by Death in Vegas. Its a goodie! Enjoy.
I take it he fell in love with Elizabeth and has an attraction for women that look like that.
This film is on Film4 in about.. 45 mins so i might watch it :)
Completely off topic, I know, but does anyone know what song that is playing in the background?
i loved the book but i've heard mixed things about the film. can somebody, ideally someone who has read the book as well, tell me - is it worth it?
i love her eyes
who what is the song used on this trailer?
thanks
The murder of Beth Short is only one of the backstories.
The movie is about Bucky and his relationships.
i've been tryin to find this movie on the internet but with no luck, sigh
even L.A noire cannot solve the problem