@@bigstoner42069 I wouldn’t say goku fans shit on it they just agree with vegeta himself not counting the sayain or buu saga fights as wins haha but the fanbase does count them 😂
Great vid, even tho Vegeta himself finally stated what we Goku fans been sayin for years. It’s safe to say the Vegeta fans who won’t even accept what their fav character stated as the truth. Are clearly delusional. Dragon Ball Super marks the first time Vegeta has ever soundly beaten Goku in a fair contest. What invalidates Vegeta Win in their 1st fight is him transforming into a Great Ape. Vegeta never wanted to transform just to beat Goku. Declaring himself the superior fighter, Vegeta was unable to defeat Goku w/o transforming into The Great Ape. In conclusion, Goku surpassing Vegeta in their very first fight Vegeta considers that a lost. Bcuz Goku was able to surpass & beat up Vegeta.
What’s mind blowing during training for androids that was plenty of time to have matches together Goku always could’ve came to bulma’s house to get vegeta for their friendly sparring. That was missed opportunities in manga and anime I feel vegeta got super Saiyan before the start of android saga to challenge goku to see who’s the better Saiyan
I think what people get wrong about goku vs vegeta in saiyan sage. Vegete is stronger in ki his power lvl is high because of his ki goku uses de kaioken technique to basicly transfer ki into speed en strength making him able to physically hurt people with higher amount of ji then him
Please dont forget, toriyama forgot alot. He forgot it was dbs, so called the movie super super hero. So vageta daying finally won may just be toriyama sensei being forgetful as always
What about the saiyan saga then? Vegeta had Goku broken on the ground unable to move. Goku had 2 advantages: kaioken and jumping, still took the technical L, vegeta might have been battered but it was 4 on 1 if you include yajirobe and vegeta still got away albeit because Goku told krillin not to kill him. Still. Technical L, but vegeta’s pride took a huge hit.
You are forgetting the most important fact.. Vegeta considered all those fights loses until Super hero. 2. Saiyan bodies can survive the vacuum of space just fine they just can't breathe in the vacuum. And im positive you got way more wrong but i turned the video off once you got a few things wrong. I find it hilarious that people say Goku never beat Vegeta even though Vegeta says otherwise. A mental defeat is just as effective as well.
Vegeta never lost to goku in the anime. Vegeta saying "I've finally beat kakarot" also implies that all their previous matches were a draw. So you can't conclusively say, goku won their previous sparring sessions.
You're right partially, him saying I finally won doesnt imply they were a draw, just that he didnt win. As for if Goku did win or not you are right, the only two choices are that he won or it was a draw. However with scaling its very rare that they are even so its most likely Goku does win
@@alatusedits I don't count the sayin saga or the buu saga fight for Goku vs Vegeta,To me it's a draw,But I do count the superhero arc since it was hand to hand also I think if it was range, energy attacks,I feel like Goku would have the advantage a little bit
That so called win in superhero is BS ...it was a exhibition fight and they weren't going all out ...courtesy of Toei turning Goku into a fighting idiot and Toyotaura cosigning on that nonsense in the manga
Nobody hates on Vegeta what are you talking about ? He is The second most loved character right underneath Goku. I bet you think Gayhan is the most popular character 😂
Vegeta himself stated he has never beaten Goku til Super. To a Saiyan, Strength is everything. The moment Goku surpassed Vegeta, Vegeta lost do to Saiyan combat rituals. Vegeta Pride got wounded even more when he turned into a Great Ape just to beat Goku. That’s a humility on to the Saiyans, if they were able to watch that fight. In conclusion, imagine a fanbase that is so completely biased and one sided to the character they love. They disrespect & disregard what their fav character says bcuz they hate another character more. Every single time Vegeta admitted he never beat Goku, that was Akira Toriyama sayin Vegeta has never beat Goku. Many Vegeta fans so desperate for a win over Goku, they disregard the author who created the series. Smh. In the Buu Arc Vegeta stated Goku is “The Strongest In The Universe.” Both Manga & Anime. The Vegeta fans refused to accept it. Notice when Goku was attempting to hide SSJ3 from him. Vegeta boldly told Goku he witnessed Goku go SSJ3 from Otherworld. This highlights somethin very important. Vegeta also witnessed how Strong Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks is & Base Form Gohan vs Super Buu. Then Vegeta personally witnessed Super Saiyan 3 Goku at Full Power vs Kid Buu. After witnessing & feelin the power of Goku, Gohan & Gotenks at their Maximum Power Level. Vegeta came to the conclusion that Goku is The Strongest of The 3. Vegeta’s assessment is The identical power scale & hierarchy for not only The Buu Arc & DBZ Movie 13 Wrath Of The Dragon. 1) Super Saiyan 3 Goku. 2) Base form Gohan. 3) Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. 4) Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta. Like the Vegeta fans, many Gohan fans are so desperate for Gohan to be stronger than Goku. They created a fake transformation for Gohan they call “Ultimate” & or “Mystic” it does not exist. It is simply Gohan in his base form. All of his inner potential was unlocked in his base form, by The Elder Kai. This happened to Kid Gohan in The Frieza Arc. Elder Guru unlocked sum of Kid Gohan & Krillin’s inner potential. Even Dragon Ball Super has backed up Vegeta from the Buu Arc stating Goku is the Strongest at the time. It is backed up by Master Roshi in DBS Episode 90 titled “Goku vs Gohan.” Master Roshi talks about Goku claimed The Mantle of Power. That’s in reference to The Buu Arc. And how Gohan training again is all about Gohan seeking to reclaim that Mantle. Correct me if I’m wrong. But in order to reclaim the mantle means you’ve only ever had the mantle “one time.” That one time is in reference to The Cell Arc, specifically The Cell Games. Gohan has not been “The Strongest In The Universe” since The Cell Games. Funny enough, in the Cell Arc Vegeta never stated Gohan was “The Strongest In The Universe.” Tienshinhan, Yamcha or Krillin did. So does that mean, bcuz Vegeta never stated Gohan is The Strongest In The Universe bring us to the conclusion that Gohan was not The Strongest In The Universe during this time? Of course not. There are a lotta Vegeta fans & Gohan fans that are disingenuous and stay lyin, no matter how many power ups. No matter how much love or shine their favorite character receives. They give the respectable Vegeta & Gohan fans a bad name. It’s passed time for that toxicity to stop!!!
Goku had help the first time vegeta woulda destroyed the planet in oozaru form if no one cut his tail off GOKU was keeping up with vegeta which he wasn’t used to he still could have won in combat GOKU just had counters not enough to win vegeta wanted to destroy GOKU so he transformed
Sayian saga vegeta beat goku who needed help and who couldn't walk fo most the fight goku couldn't goku was good as dead matter of fact goku last chance was when he shot vegeta in the eye that was all he had left. Vegeta won that hands down goku needed help.
@@bigstoner42069 buu goku even said he could of beaten buu from the start because of super sayian 3,but he wanted the kids trunks and goten to beat him
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Vegeta's pride clearly disagrees with everyone here saying he's 3 and 0
The same pride that Goku fans like to shit on all day
@@bigstoner42069 I wouldn’t say goku fans shit on it they just agree with vegeta himself not counting the sayain or buu saga fights as wins haha but the fanbase does count them 😂
Hahahahahahaha you got me on that ad, lol great voice acting.
I love how both of them believe they lost each of their matches vs the other. At least the two in Z. Greatest rivalry in history
I usually skip in video ads, but your voice over skill kept me in
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first time not skipping a sponsor beacuse of that voice acting lol 😂
Great vid, even tho Vegeta himself finally stated what we Goku fans been sayin for years. It’s safe to say the Vegeta fans who won’t even accept what their fav character stated as the truth. Are clearly delusional. Dragon Ball Super marks the first time Vegeta has ever soundly beaten Goku in a fair contest.
What invalidates Vegeta Win in their 1st fight is him transforming into a Great Ape. Vegeta never wanted to transform just to beat Goku. Declaring himself the superior fighter, Vegeta was unable to defeat Goku w/o transforming into The Great Ape.
In conclusion, Goku surpassing Vegeta in their very first fight Vegeta considers that a lost. Bcuz Goku was able to surpass & beat up Vegeta.
love your videos
thank you sir ✌
Is this a reupload?
Yes 🥺
Nice argument
What’s mind blowing during training for androids that was plenty of time to have matches together Goku always could’ve came to bulma’s house to get vegeta for their friendly sparring. That was missed opportunities in manga and anime
I feel vegeta got super Saiyan before the start of android saga to challenge goku to see who’s the better Saiyan
I think what people get wrong about goku vs vegeta in saiyan sage. Vegete is stronger in ki his power lvl is high because of his ki goku uses de kaioken technique to basicly transfer ki into speed en strength making him able to physically hurt people with higher amount of ji then him
Can you do vegeta vs piccolo next?
Well vegeta and piccolo have actually never fought each other lol
Please dont forget, toriyama forgot alot. He forgot it was dbs, so called the movie super super hero. So vageta daying finally won may just be toriyama sensei being forgetful as always
This is also how inconsistencies in writing happen too.
@@yoshileespade Toei was responsible for the anime Toriyama gave them a outline and Toei filled in the blanks with
Contradicting BS
What about the saiyan saga then? Vegeta had Goku broken on the ground unable to move. Goku had 2 advantages: kaioken and jumping, still took the technical L, vegeta might have been battered but it was 4 on 1 if you include yajirobe and vegeta still got away albeit because Goku told krillin not to kill him. Still. Technical L, but vegeta’s pride took a huge hit.
You are forgetting the most important fact.. Vegeta considered all those fights loses until Super hero. 2. Saiyan bodies can survive the vacuum of space just fine they just can't breathe in the vacuum. And im positive you got way more wrong but i turned the video off once you got a few things wrong. I find it hilarious that people say Goku never beat Vegeta even though Vegeta says otherwise. A mental defeat is just as effective as well.
Vegeta never lost to goku in the anime.
Vegeta saying "I've finally beat kakarot" also implies that all their previous matches were a draw. So you can't conclusively say, goku won their previous sparring sessions.
You're right partially, him saying I finally won doesnt imply they were a draw, just that he didnt win. As for if Goku did win or not you are right, the only two choices are that he won or it was a draw. However with scaling its very rare that they are even so its most likely Goku does win
THATS WHAT AM SAYING
@@alatusedits Still we need our mc to get a win
@@parkerjunior1 real
@@alatusedits I don't count the sayin saga or the buu saga fight for Goku vs Vegeta,To me it's a draw,But I do count the superhero arc since it was hand to hand also I think if it was range, energy attacks,I feel like Goku would have the advantage a little bit
Vegeta won all 3 against Kakarot. But they only like to kount the last 1 from dragon ball super:super hero
Damn the voice acting part was so cringe I had to turn the video off 😅
That so called win in superhero is BS ...it was a exhibition fight and they weren't going all out ...courtesy of Toei turning Goku into a fighting idiot and Toyotaura cosigning on that nonsense in the manga
Toyo cosigned the non sense when he made moro arc goku say hes not a hero
1 hour and 80 views? nah
i fell off
@@MajinBird yep
How did bro comment 5 days ago? 💀
Lmao
The video was made private
*time travel*
People hate on vegeta but he’s 3-0 vs goku and still feels like he’s 0-3 against goku. That’s real asf
Nobody hates on Vegeta what are you talking about ? He is The second most loved character right underneath Goku. I bet you think Gayhan is the most popular character 😂
@@garryjohnson9328 I’m just gonna pretend I didn’t just read the stupidest comment I’ve ever seen 🤦♂️
Vegeta himself stated he has never beaten Goku til Super. To a Saiyan, Strength is everything. The moment Goku surpassed Vegeta, Vegeta lost do to Saiyan combat rituals.
Vegeta Pride got wounded even more when he turned into a Great Ape just to beat Goku. That’s a humility on to the Saiyans, if they were able to watch that fight.
In conclusion, imagine a fanbase that is so completely biased and one sided to the character they love. They disrespect & disregard what their fav character says bcuz they hate another character more.
Every single time Vegeta admitted he never beat Goku, that was Akira Toriyama sayin Vegeta has never beat Goku. Many Vegeta fans so desperate for a win over Goku, they disregard the author who created the series. Smh.
In the Buu Arc Vegeta stated Goku is “The Strongest In The Universe.” Both Manga & Anime. The Vegeta fans refused to accept it. Notice when Goku was attempting to hide SSJ3 from him. Vegeta boldly told Goku he witnessed Goku go SSJ3 from Otherworld.
This highlights somethin very important. Vegeta also witnessed how Strong Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks is & Base Form Gohan vs Super Buu. Then Vegeta personally witnessed Super Saiyan 3 Goku at Full Power vs Kid Buu.
After witnessing & feelin the power of Goku, Gohan & Gotenks at their Maximum Power Level. Vegeta came to the conclusion that Goku is The Strongest of The 3.
Vegeta’s assessment is The identical power scale & hierarchy for not only The Buu Arc & DBZ Movie 13 Wrath Of The Dragon. 1) Super Saiyan 3 Goku. 2) Base form Gohan. 3) Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. 4) Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta.
Like the Vegeta fans, many Gohan fans are so desperate for Gohan to be stronger than Goku. They created a fake transformation for Gohan they call “Ultimate” & or “Mystic” it does not exist. It is simply Gohan in his base form. All of his inner potential was unlocked in his base form, by The Elder Kai. This happened to Kid Gohan in The Frieza Arc. Elder Guru unlocked sum of Kid Gohan & Krillin’s inner potential.
Even Dragon Ball Super has backed up Vegeta from the Buu Arc stating Goku is the Strongest at the time. It is backed up by Master Roshi in DBS Episode 90 titled “Goku vs Gohan.” Master Roshi talks about Goku claimed The Mantle of Power. That’s in reference to The Buu Arc. And how Gohan training again is all about Gohan seeking to reclaim that Mantle.
Correct me if I’m wrong. But in order to reclaim the mantle means you’ve only ever had the mantle “one time.” That one time is in reference to The Cell Arc, specifically The Cell Games. Gohan has not been “The Strongest In The Universe” since The Cell Games.
Funny enough, in the Cell Arc Vegeta never stated Gohan was “The Strongest In The Universe.” Tienshinhan, Yamcha or Krillin did. So does that mean, bcuz Vegeta never stated Gohan is The Strongest In The Universe bring us to the conclusion that Gohan was not The Strongest In The Universe during this time? Of course not.
There are a lotta Vegeta fans & Gohan fans that are disingenuous and stay lyin, no matter how many power ups. No matter how much love or shine their favorite character receives. They give the respectable Vegeta & Gohan fans a bad name. It’s passed time for that toxicity to stop!!!
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Goku had help the first time vegeta woulda destroyed the planet in oozaru form if no one cut his tail off GOKU was keeping up with vegeta which he wasn’t used to he still could have won in combat GOKU just had counters not enough to win vegeta wanted to destroy GOKU so he transformed
Vegetas never beat Goku fairly in a fight but he hasn't lost. I get the pride thing tho😊
Saiyan saga Vegeta defeated Goku, Goku couldnt move and had to rely on Gohan, Yajirobe and Krillin
@@marcojohn6658 Kaioken tired him out and then Vegeta turnt into a great ape
@@BBK113*WHAT DO U MEAN VEGETA DIDN'T WIN THE FIGHT!?* 🤣
@@jameshamilton8720 because he didn't, that ended up become a team effort and Vegeta lost
Vegeta is 3-0 🤷🏿♂️
Only 3😂
Not sure how you got to that number after watching the video 😂
@@Brian4hand The video was reaching pretty hard
Wrong. Why does Vegeta himself NOT agree with you ?
@@garryjohnson9328 pride
They only fought twice, vegeta coulda won the first goku coulda won the last but they played with their food, any other answer is vegeta fanboyism
Sayian saga vegeta beat goku who needed help and who couldn't walk fo most the fight goku couldn't goku was good as dead matter of fact goku last chance was when he shot vegeta in the eye that was all he had left. Vegeta won that hands down goku needed help.
name a fight where Goku HASNT needed help 😂
@@bigstoner42069 buu goku even said he could of beaten buu from the start because of super sayian 3,but he wanted the kids trunks and goten to beat him
Vegeta is 3-0 all Facts and I’m not even a fan of the prince.
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Bro vegeta lost to goku in the manga debate me
@Sonicmidhe beat him in every training match in super before superhero since he said “he’s finally beaten him”
Ok I'm confused what ??
@@LegendaryChadzillai don’t think that battle was really confirmed of Goku winning though. While we’ve seen vegeta win against Goku 3 times already
You clearly don’t have eyes
@@LegendaryChadzillakeep coping bruh. Holy has never pulled a win against the King of all Saiyans.
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