The tragedy of Kosovo
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► Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
3:17 1.1 History of the conflict in Kosovo: Creation of Balkan nations
8:11 1.2 The Balkan wars & Serbian rule
15:41 Sponsored segment
21:05 1.3 Fascist occupation & armed Partisan brotherhood
27:51 1.4 Kosovo in SFR Yugoslavia
39:01 1.5 Rise of Milošević: chauvinism & state discrimination
46:43 1.6 Restoration of capitalism & predation of imperialism
51:52 2 The status quo: false saviours and quasi-solutions
53:20 2.1 "Kosovo is Serbia"
55:57 2.2 Greater Albania
58:21 2.3 Zajednica Srpskih Opština
1:00:03 2.4 Open Balkan initiative
1:02:43 3 The Serbian Kosovo myth: a century-long manipulation
1:05:55 4 What is to be done? Our historical responsibility
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I'll try 😭
Е синко, синко...
Како ли дође до маркизма само...
I never understood why many Serbs love acting like victims. Serbia like history has shown would massacre and oppress the Albanians in Kosovo if they got lands back.
What is the choice for kosovans? Serbian oppression and genocide or NATO control.
Stop playing the poor victims!!
@@AardvarkRS 😂😂😂 Also!
@@professionaldriver77878 Шта мислиш брате, је л' Рус или Бугарин? Покварио му се времеплов изгледа...
tldr: kosovo is brazilian
u're going to brazil
And all other disputed territories
@@savosavic1222 Brazil is coming to you!
Always welcome! just be aware that Kosovo kinda sounds like "balls deep" over here
why not, malvinas are british...
I was born and raised in Slovenia. My parents come from Bosnia. As I grew up I was raised that we all are the same (Bosnians, Serbs, Croats…). It never mattered who is what as long as the person has a good heart. I lived for one year in Belgrade and for one year in Sarajevo. Now I am back in Ljubljana. We all are the same people. Good people. I was born in 95 but enjoy hearing and reading stories about the “old state”. It breaks my heart that we do not have Yugoslavia anymore. But I hope for the sake of my son that in the future people get along again and make this peace of land great again!
Same ...
If London and DC get involved then it won't happen.
you sound like a christian, so let me point out the problem..
Most of this depends only on the Serbs. If their Great Serbian policy calms down, things could get better.
@@soksb3766and if you didn't start to kill Serbs in Krajina and RS it would be calm.
As a Martian, I feel we would like to have a piece of the cake too, give us some Kosovo and we give you some Mars bars.
Greetings from Mars.
do you have any snickers
@@user-ux3lb3ou3bNo we are allergic to them.
@@MisterFreak579 😂😂😂😂👍👍👍👍
Never, half of mars belongs to the mighty Pluto which is definitely a planet!
Found your channel from The Deprogram and its a gem. I don't know as much as I should about the topics you cover but I'm so glad you exist to share such knowledge :)
I found a man that have delusional nightmares of Stalin, responsible for everything that are bad in the Balkan.
Wait, was he on depro? Or was he mentioned? What episodes have I missed 😭😭
@@toast2300 Every single video, especially in the video where he travel back to the Balkan? He lives in Germony and he have Stalin schizophrenia, he see Stalin everywhere, responsible for every bad thing that happen in the Balkan, probably see Stalin in his kitchen with a Kaiju size spoon full of Grains, just throwing it into his mouth.
@@toast2300 I'm pretty sure he was... unless I dreamt it?! Just search it. Won't take 2 seconds lol
@@toast2300 oh, on Deprogram? In the episode feature him, in the video title.
instruction unclear: Balkanized Kosovo into 3 other countries,
What if we give Kosovo to China and Taiwan to Serbia?
Serbian gdp raising by 700%💹
Other idea, give kosovo to palestine and serbia to israel
Other idea, give kosovo to palestine and serbia to israel
Other idea, give kosovo to palestine and serbia to israel
Other idea, give kosovo to palestine and serbia to israel
Kosovo is clearly Greece, like everything else; including Turkish Coffee.
Basismeno
😂😂😂😂 Greek history is Serbian you Gipsy
Bait has been planted 😂
It was immediately evident upon finding your channel last year you have an affinity for cozy historical presentation and sober analysis (In truth I dream of a collective of creators like you for every region of the globe 😅) I'm delighted to have had a few in-person opportunities to recommend your channel!
Thanks so much, as always, for your work, comrade 💕🙏
Dudeee, haven't checked your channel in a while, i love what you've done, and almost hitting 100k!, really impressed by the quality of this content, keep it up!
Im impressed with the “accurate” timeline of information you provided I live in Kosovo and this is so far the most accurate timeline of conflict.
where is the whole history before the Balkan wars, the Serbs were expelled all the time

As an albanian who lives in Italy, thank you for your works
isnt Albania part of italy?
@@SnakeBushother way around
@@professionalgoob 😂
You there to steal their land too?
@@Miodrag.Vukomanovicthe two people who liked your comment must feel as embarrassed as you, read a book my bro
To get the answer to why Albanians don't want to live with Serbs, the first thing to think about is why none of Serbia's neighbors want to live with them. Even Montenegrins who are like brothers with Serbs do not want to live together with Serbs. The Serbs themselves know this, but they do not want to change from the politics of the 80s and 90s. Even today Serbia is led by politicians who have been o Milosevic's regime, Vučić president, Dačić foreign minister, Vulin ŝef of the secret police ECT.
The real problem is American imperialism and anti-Serb propaganda, nothing else. Milo Djukanovic backstabbed Serbia only because supporting Serbia is seen as cringe, that's the only reason there's montenegrin independence of any kind today
@@smaragdchaos Found the salty serb, don't use the "muh Americans" excuse. You're neighbors had to deal with serb paramilitary secessionist and dominance, don't blame them when they immediately left when they found the courage to do so.
@@smaragdchaosyou say american imperialism, the balkans says freedom from serbian oppression and aggression.
93% Albanian. It’s Albanian. Never has something been complicated this much when it’s a simple matter
This remind me of history between Indonesia and Timor Leste, i hope there no more conflict like this never happened again in the future, love from Indonesian ❤
My grandpa served for the Yugoslavian army for years and they got treated like dirt in return. "Neglect" is an understatement to what Life was in Kosovo for the Albanians in Yugoslavia. Being paid less was the least of their problem when their rights were being stripped away, their identity erased and Albanians serving for the Yugolsavian army were executed under the disguise of "it was suicide". It easly would have gone to Albanians having to relive what happened to them during the Balkan wars were mothers had to murder their own children so they wouldnt be tortured by Serbians. It was too late to attempt to fix anything when all they got was worse treatment and its no surprise a power that hopes to end Yugoslavia would see Kosovo Albanians as a good point to support. Also understandable why not a single Albanian would hear your solution to join forces and expel western imperialistic influence when there is a fear of the imperialistic past of Serbia. Our mouths were sewed shut and our language shunned so why risk it when the lesser evil atleast lets us keep our voices
Great video! Really gloomy at times but motivating at the end.
Solidarity with my comrades and brothers in both Serbia and Albania from Colombia.
¡Un abrazo y resistencia!
Even if today a Balkan Union of sorts seems impossible, many Greek visionaries would often cite it as an important goal for the Balkan states, not least of all Rigas Feraios and Eleftherios Venizelos. Even after the Second Balkan War, Western Thrace was ceded back to Bulgaria with this exact planning in mind, that we should still give a chance to a Balkan Union. Maybe not as a single state entity, but as an alliance of like minded states, with free trade and open borders.
You had an old video about the Kosovo war, what happened to it? I can't find it on your channel anymore
I felt that the video was quite optimistic and naive when it comes to how real life really operates. People do benefit from war. People, even peasants, want to oppress one another. Ethnicity does impact people's behavior. Even in socialism.
Your videos are very interesting, l subscribed to your channel. English subtitles are a good idea, but for those who wish to learn Serbian reading the serbian subtitles, those are much smaller than the English ones, making them difficult to read. It would be good to have some bigger serbian subtitles for easier reading. Thank you.
This was detailed. Very informative video
Hey Balkan Odyssey, I've been a subscriber for a long time, do you plan on making more light hearted/apolitical content like in your old unlisted videos? Like the video about every balkan nation (i don't remember if it's still up).
I have a lot of topics which I really think are important to cover and which are by their natute very political. Although I might make more light-hearted content regarding the Balkans in terms of tourism/culture/history
Milošević never enjoyed any support from the west. That's why the west introduced economic blockade of Yugoslavia as early as 1992. while supporting separatists from very beginning.
The problem between Albania and Serbia regarding Kosovo will never in this century and in our life be fixed. The crisis as far as I know began in the late 1980s when Kosovo's autonomy was revoked by Milosevic which Kosovo had enjoyed even more ever since Tito's Constitution if 1974 increasing Autonomy.
There were problems before that though as well, Alexander Rankovic is an example of continued repression. If I recall correctly, it was a huge scandal for the League of Communists when it was discovered
I can't take you seriously when you use the word "stalinist" unironically. You are also failing to mention how the leadership of "socialist" Yugoslavia was never marxist and eventually became a tool of the imperialists for weakening the socialist block.
To my understanding, the term Stalinism is commonly used by Marxists in a similar vein to Bonapartism or Caesarism. It's usually used to describe a system in which a non-capitalist, planned economy co-exists alongside a privileged caste of party bureaucrats .
What do you expect from revisionists? Tito set Yugoslavia to the course of returning to capitalism
@@andreamarino6010 The ideology of 'Marxism-Leninism' also presided over the collapse of the Soviet bloc and the return of capitalism to eastern Europe. For me, that's part of the reason why I'm more attracted to Trotskyism as an alternative ideology, which builds on historic mistakes.
Great video. Thank you.
Brother I know you did not just use a HOI4 map as a slide at 7:17 lmao good video tho
The moment you said that the solution to the issue is for Kosovars to drop their national identity and start identifying as workers under a reformed yugoslavist ideology is when you lost the support of 99.99% of them.
He didn't say that
@@brooklybeli6970 He did.
As speaking as someone born and raised in the UK, you've really helped dispel my preconceptions I held about the Balkans.
He has a whitewashed perspective on the Balkans as he's observing it through the lens of a Serb living in Germany. I actually reside here and I can assure you that every negative conception you had is probably true. The people here are rotten to the core and will continue to abuse western high-trust systems. Then when you turn your back, they will mock you derisively and treat you as a non-human westoid.
You're always welcome to visit brother 🇷🇸 ❤️ 🇺🇦
His isolated and half-truthful and untruthful presentation of "historical facts" can hardly be called a helping factor for understanding Balkan history in a wider context and the Balkan wars in a narrower context. History does not start from 1912, but much earlier, and it has its own continuity. I will give just one example: Serbian rulers on the territory of Kosovo and Metohija built at least 2150 churches and monasteries from the 9th century onwards. And the building of churches by rulers is a historical fact, which is unquestionable proof of the existence of a state. And now look, when the Turks occupied Serbia. So look at when was the FIRST BIG MIGRATION OF SERBS from Kosovo and Metohija (1690) after the genocide by Turkey. Right after that, Albanians from Albania came in huge numbers and settled in Kosovo and Metohija. The same was repeated in 1740 (the second migration of Serbs from Kosovo and Metohija. and later again...and again...
@@drazantodoric6040i love how ypu completely ignore the expulsions and massacres of albanians in kosovo that had been happening ever since serbians first came to that territory, and had continued to happen throughout history. So whay if serbians built churches? The albanians at the time were only concerned about their ethnic lineage and even today, our religion is 'Albanian'. From paganism, catholicism, orthodoxy and finally islam, all these religions were swept across our territory, but we were never confined to a single belief. So the assimilation of albanians into orthodox christian culture and claiming them to be ethnic serbians would mean you have to call the Gorani people albanians. Of course you would never do that right? Besides, its a very convenient argument for a coloniser to use old history of colonisation to justify rule over a land youre not native to. Its almost like this tactic is used by all imperialists? Serbians are stuck in the 12th century
@@euphoriaggaminghd There is only ONE TRUTH. It's also just ONE STORY. History is not what they tell you, fairy tales from semi-literate people. I know EVERYTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF ALBANIA. So YOU CAN'T WRITE LIES to me, not to me. I know HISTORY, BALKANS, CAUCASUS, ANATOLIA, TURKEY, ARAB COUNTRIES, ITALY, MACEDONIA, GREECE, BULGARIA, HUNGARY, UKRAINE,.... GENETICS, CINELOGY, NUMISMATICS, LINGUISTICS... I KNOW ALMOST EVERYTHING ABOUT WARS... I talked and with some Albanians, Turks, Azerbaijanis, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians.
So that you don't tell filtered lies. If you are from Kosovo at all, where do you have the right to deny the existence of GORA people, KOSOVO and METOHIA, MONASTERIES and CHURCHES, the First and Second Migration of Serbs, (when it is all written in the Historical Records). Azerbaijanis know about you Caucasian Albanians, they say that you are their ancestors. Their most significant historical monuments are from Caucasian Albania. THE GENETICS OF THE CAUCASUS are the same as the Albanians, except of course about 30% of the genetics from Duklja (old Montenegro).
Don't tell me about the genocide of Albanians, there was none. From where then, 50 thousand Serbs now in Kosovo and Metohija and 1.6 million Albanians. And where are your churches. And why are you so short, the lowest in Europe, and from the former Yugoslavia are the highest in the world. If you were Illyrians (HUGE, WILD, UNCONDITIONAL WARRIORS), how were you, as the lowest, HUGE WARRIORS then. You were freed by Đurađ Kastriot, a Dukljan nobleman from Epirus (Serb of the Orthodox faith), an Albanian from Djirokastra (an educated veterinarian who lives in Boston, he confirmed all this to me...etc..) The history of the GORA people, Serbs of the Islamic faith, CONFIRMS THE SAME , that in 1690 and 1740, two big waves (after the genocide of the Serbs by the Ottoman Empire, came by ships from Syria, the Arbanasi (an old name for Albanians). A Syrian woman confirmed to me that there is a significant community of Albanians in Syria, who came from the Caucasus in 826...etc..
I would like to say as a side note that during the 1950s in Kosovo, Aleksander Rankovic Tito hand man had a massive idea against Albanians in Kosovo and cause some of the largest forced migration to Turkey from Kosovo
I know your more of a Balkan historian, but it would be amazing if you’d make a similar video about Israel/Palestine
Take a hike, Zionist.
he is not a historian but a political ideologue and propagandist...
@@vukasinmileusnic2481 thank you so much for lending this video engagement. It’s much appreciated
This a propaganda video ,no true ,albanians comed on kosovo mass after 1980 ,he dont even spoke about thath !!
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@@MrPetronijeR And serbian colonists also came there after the area was already majorily albanian way before that
Very nice. Do some video about Slovenia.
Definitely will. Will need to do some research and reading beforehand tho.
Remember that, probably Many Serbs for 160 years ago today are Goranis and Bosnians. Serbs cant reclaim their muslim Serbian population from 150 years ago, because the goranis, Bosnians. They are in the hand Bosnian and Goranis not Serbs. Serbs lives 20% of Kosovo territory when Serbs have 6-7% of Kosovo population. Albanians from Nish and novi Pazar where expelled from their homes and filled Kosovo. Serbs where also expelled by Albanians and got there demographic back, later Albanian population increased.
By definition of the Serb Orthodox Church, if you don't follow Serb Orthodoxy, you're not a Serb. Bosnyaks who have Serb ancestry are no longer Serbs due to this. For instance, Alija Izetbegović had definitive Serb ancestry, but he was a Muslim, so he had to choose the Bosnyak identity. However, you'll find some Muslims in Serbia and Montenegro who still respect their Serb origins and call themselves Muslim Serbs, but this sense of being a Serb is entirely by bloodline (just like Izetbegović) and not by following Serb Orthodoxy.
"Balkan man proposes final solution to the Kosovo question"
dude where do you get these income numbers?
Thanks a lot
8:51 this is wrong on both accounts for Greece. Greece as a state had existed for a hundred years by that time, and also Eleftherios Venizelos was against the royalist political establishment and supported the Unification of the Balkans in an alliance
It is a shame greece also took part in the ethnic massacres of albanians, and the colonisation and assimilation of arvanitas. But the major western powers needed to stabilise 'greece' which was a highly mixed land with the vision of historical supremacy for all its people. The only true ethnic greeks which apply to this ancient greek lineage are found in Peloponnese, Crete and Cyprus. Sadly, modern peoples of greece subscribed to this idea and supported further imperialist ambitions. Had a united balkan federation taken place soon after the Balkan wars, im comvinced we wouldve been spared the mess of the 20th century
Excellent review of the history ❤
I think you should have kept your old video on this topic but not to indulge the outcry of the nationalists in the comments. On the contrary. Your biggest strength imo is the nowadays rare rw -> lw conversion itself, considering it happened despite overall growing rw radicalization in Europe and "how I left the left" mainstream narrative. Also, you could have touched on E.Said's Orientalism as a source of disdain between Balkan nations trying to distance themselves from each other. It also must be included in any attempt to explain national myths among Balkan countries since they are all founded on the battle against the Ottomans. Also, don't forget that at one point in time nationalism, as well as capitalism, was the progressive force, even if that's not the case today. Nations are not natural and eternal but products of modernity "imagined communities" (B. Anderson) created by "inventing traditions" (E. Hobsbawm). Use more academic (plenty of serbo-croatian left academics on this topic as well ) sources. Last but not least, be realistic. There won't be any worker's federation of Balkan nations any time soon. Even Yugoslavia wouldn't exist unless major powers decided Dual monarchy should be dissolved. Even if there was a fully developed class consciousness on the periphery (Balkan) I wouldn't be so optimistic.
"...even Yugoslavia wouldn't exist unles major powers decided..."
Nah , why should he speak historical facts, people love fairytales.
@@simeonnjegovan1133 There were indeed external interests in dissolving the most recent YU. An independent but servile Slovenia and Croatia would benefit Germany and Austria a lot. Italy even pitched for an independent Montenegro just before the Ten-Day War in Slovenia. But it was all possible because YU did some crucial economical mistakes.
@@simeonnjegovan1133 The main comment is correct, did you misread it by chance? The SHS Kingdom was only possible at the expense of Austro-Hungarian Empire. Otherwise, there would be Croatia and BiH as one region, Slovenia either with Croatia-BiH or with Austria, and independent states of Montenegro and Serbia. NM would probably be either in Serbia or Bulgaria.
The only problem of all ex Yugoslavian countries is the fact that we are still ruled by and we still support the political ideologies and political agendas that made the war and conflict possible in the first place. I'm not talking about the politicians as individuals. Removing Vučić or Dodik, Izetbegović or Milanović (or when we removed Tuđman, Milošević and Izetbegović senior) or any other politician or even a political party (HDZ, SDS, SNS or SDA) won''t solve anything UNTIL we distance ourselves from the ideology these individuals and political parties promote. That does not mean that we will distance ourselves from our nation. You can still be Serb without Vučić or Dodik telling you what "beeing a Serb" means. These parties know that, that is why they are hiding the idea of national pride deep inside their roots. In Croatia, you are not considered a proper Croat if you don't vote for HDZ, in Bosnia, if you are a Bosniak muslim and you are anti SDA, you are immediately an enemy of the state. They know that, that is why they are still in power. Take a look at Germany post WWII, they rejected the ideologies of Nazis, but they remained Germans, and they are proud to be Germans. Here, the pride is in the national politics. So no matter how many times we change Milošević, or Alija, the next one, with different political option will stand in line. We need to distance ourselves from the ideologies of the 90's, the ideas that made the war possible in the first place. We need to distance ourselves from ethno-nationalism that is plaguing our mind for 30 years.
No, leftists like you among the Serbs support all anti-Serb policies and openly work to destroy the Serbian people. The leftists among the Serbs support the narrative "Serbs are to blame for the war of the 90s" and that this should be the cornerstone of the future, so the Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina should disappear under the cover of the "Hague truth", the Kalaja policy/"citizen policy", and the Croats should be given full legitimacy for everything crimes against Serbs, the recognition of the secession of Kosovo and Metohija and, of course, the support of Milogorje politics in Montenegro. Serbian culture-history-tradition is attributed in the surrounding countries to the majority of those countries, the leftists support the seizure of everything Serbian until what remains of Serbia is a faceless territory. In which it is forbidden to say that you are a Serb and that something is Serbian because it "insults the minority". Vucic and Dodik are two criminals who carry out anti-Serb Western policy, all under the guise of Serbian nationalism. Serbian politics equal to crime.
The biggest problem for ex yugoslavian countries is serbian nationalism and expansionism. In the context of the events since Milosevic, albanians have every right to exercise their self-determination in kosovo. It is serbians who refuse to recognise it as a state, and use it instead as a political token to reproduce hate and imperialism. Us albanians just want to live in peace with our own culture being respected, but it is serbian politicians who continue to fuel tensions, and as long as this rhetoric against us continues, we will never be able to find mutual respect between our nations.
România doesn't even recognise Kosovo as a thing and to us Srbija is like our mother,father,brother,sister,all of them combined in one ❤😘 !
Can we say also that Bulgaria (my country) is like a best friend of Romania? 😃❤️🇷🇴🇧🇬
@@roatskm2337 every time we give you a hug I walk away with a knife in my back
Free Transylvania
We have always loved you and always will, our dear Romanian brothers.
@@roatskm2337 of course!!!
What happened to your video about war music?
Po prvi put imam utisak da sam čuo objašnjenje koje prepoznaje istovremeno srpski i zapadnjački imperijalizam i kolonijalizam nad regionom, hvala ti puno za ovaj video
Drago mi je da je ispalo dobro, hvala ti
"No war or division of territory in history has ever improved lives of anyone except shareholders generals or politicians"
Romans during pax romana: 👀
The slaves of Rome would disagree
@@brooklybeli6970 shouldn't have been conquered
I mean even the unvasion of Cambodia by Vietnam was positive for ending pol pot. He should have expanded the statement
Pozdrav,
prije svega, iz Hrvatske sam tako da nemam neko pretjerano mišljenje o Kosovu ni toj cijeloj temi. Ono što me muči, ja sam prilično siguran da sam prije 3-4 godine naletio na video u kojem se pričalo o tome kako je "zapad" ukrao Kosovo, ili nešto na tu temu. Isto tako, gotovo sam siguran da je to bio isti glas kao i na ovom videu.
Jesam li te zamijenio s nekim ili si ti napravio zaokret za 180 stupnjeva?
180°
Jeste to je bio on
Isti je lik, i da, okrenuo se 180 stepeni. Bio je zesci nacionalista al je sad zreliji i shvatio je da nacionalizam i desnicarska fasisticka politika losa i postao socijalista.
@@alienalloy604U prevodu legla lova na racunu 😂
Ko Ante Stipančić politički prevrtljivac.
Hello mr. Odyssey i have become increasingly interested in learning the Serbo-Croatian language and seeing as you are a native speaker i was wondering if you had any advice or resources on learning it?
Ayy i am also learning it as a dutchman. I would say be atleast aware of the small differences between serbian bosnian and croatian.
Hello, the differences between our languages are pretty small. It's more like one language with 3 different dialects. Serbian grammar can be pretty rough for non Slavic people, so if you are one, just to warn you 😊 Resources, it's probbably the best to find some youtube channel for the start ✌️ Пуно поздрава 😊
There is only Serbian language. The rest come from it😅
First off don't bother distinguishing the two "languages" they're grammatically identical with only a few differences in vocabulary (like American and British English) and as a non native most people will be ok with you using one of the varieties or even mixing them.
As for the resources that's gonna be tough.
Maybe try googling "predavanja/časovi ___" (on ___ put serbian/croatian/any other name that exists for it) since some schools have posted basic lessons online back during the quarantine and that might be useful for absolute beginners. Omce you're fluent enough to understand the spoken language just listen to a lot of UA-cam videos and music.
@@balkanhajduk etymalogically yes
I was looking for some videos about balkan nations and found your incredible channel, your videos are great and very important to raise awareness about the strugles of the region. Greetings from Brazil camarada, venceremos! 🚩🇧🇷
As someone from Kosovo this is a pretty okay ish history recap but the serbians will never befriend the working class in Kosovo and neither will there be peace for them here...
1:05:59 blud thinks he Lenin 💀
No but seriously great video! ❤
I just realised this video is over an hour long 🗿
Someone tell me where the Serbs(Slavs) where pre 700 ad ?
I rest my case.
Right there actually, dispersed among Balkan territory with other people of their time in a shape of tribes, like many others. The migration of Slavs was a long process, it lasted for centuries, yet the final wave happend in 6th and 7th century. This is an interesting topic to read, so I recommend it. Following the travel of the slavic haplogroup R1a, you could notice many interesting things. It helped me to look at the situation from the perspective of history of that time and see how all of the Balkan nations have a really interesting genetic palette. It just goes to show how all of these tribes and people never had a problem living with eachother, this (nationalism) is a new world problem, unfortunately. Hopefully it will change in the future!
Very well done, but you forget that people's strongest motivators are greed and fear, and money is the only god that all Balkans properly worship, and the EU is the only one who can realize the dreams of unification in the Balkans, and that's not out of kindness, but out of greed. Corporations will erase borders because they don't really care which nation the worker is as long as he works like a horse for the company's profit... Montenegro 🇲🇪🇪🇺
In macedonian a boy sees the albanian with good cars,he ask hes father why we don't have so cars, the father says we have a state
@@ekiii3463the father also says he is macedonian which is laughable. It is like someone saying they are a Kosovan. It doesnt make any sense. Ethnicity isnt the name of the region but macedonians better not know this
7:23 The Hearts of Iron 4 Screenshot lmao. Federalism is pretty cool though.
1:10 "onclusions" Lmao
nonetheless an amazing video, it is interesting to see just how confusing and convoluted the narrative can be.
Lol mistakes happen. Thank you nonetheless.
You've read to much western propaganda my friend.
I was wondering whether you can provide the exact sources of western support for the unionist policies in yugoslavia as I was unable to find it on my own
If your talking about the Open Balkan Initiative it's pretty easy to find since it's on the news here all the time
Top notch information. I'm brushing up on my history before I go to Kosovo. So pretty much like most places including here in America it's not the citizens that are the problem it's the government.
Very contradictory video. I must refer to one of the first sentences: "... one of few conflicts..." Ireland, Basque, Belgium, Ukraine, Russia, Cyprus, Türkiye, North Italia, Moldavia, Erdély in Romania... to name just a few, they all have some kind of inner tensions and conflicts that may explode anytime (especially in time of some kind of crisis, political, economical, climate... whatever)... Not to mention that almost all the former Yugoslav republics have some border issues and pretensions on neighbor countries territories. This is a very conflicted World, and Europe is not an exception. Nothing is, never was, and will never be solved once forever and for all. Unfortunately, of course. Besides, it'll be good to create some kind of "time markers" in your story, what happened in which year. For the uninitiated viewer, it is not clear when some event happened. For instance, when were Balkans wars, why and who leads those wars, and against whom? It is interesting that you quote a British historian from the exact year (1999) when NATO started the military campaign against Serbia and Montenegro, with that exact excuse. Nowhere do you mention the formation of the Albanian state - Albania, and its influence on later events. Where s WW1? You make time jumps of twenty years without explaining what happened in the meantime. Are you quoting Vasa Čubrilović? I instruct interested viewers to Google a little about who that man was and how significant he was in a certain period of time. Stalinist leadership of Yugoslavia? I am not an unrealistic nationalist or chauvinist, but I expected a more serious approach to this, certainly, serious and difficult topic, but according to what I have said so far, it is clear that this is not the case, even I'm very much agreed with your description in chapter 3. Too bad that you have so much controversy and inconsistency in this story, and so much personal political stands. Someone who pretends to be understood as a serious analyst or even a historian, still has to stay away from personal views, but only present the facts. And at the end, why I write this in English, when we are both from Serbia? 😂😂😂 This is just a rhetorical question, of course, 'cos the answer is obvious. Thank you for your effort, I hope that next video will be better.
He is a communist, citing Tucovic all the time and dealing with this subject from a completely communist perspective. It has it's merits, as almost any perspective has, but it's a far cry from anything resembling objectivity and impartiality, let alone a roadmap to peace.
@djolemadzarevic, @vukasinmileusnic2481........Both of you should do a video on this topic. Let us know when you post it.
@@unlimitedcosmicspeed I don't need to. I can tell in few words, and I already told it: There is no final solution. For any problem between any group of human beings the most final solution is, unfortunately, complete domination one over the other, or total destruction and complete disappearance of one of the groups. This is not, by any mean, a desirable solution, but it is only one. We had, in not so far history, attempt to achieve this kind of "final solution", and we all know very well how that was like and what it led to, so it is not good to try to make that again. Besides, even if that happened, the new dominant group would very soon create new conflicting groups within itself and everything would start from the beginning. And the other possibility is really only one: the realization of the communist utopian theory and the creation of a classless society, but I don't think humanity will ever see that either. Best wishes and thank you for reading my comments :)
@@djolemadzarevic No video? I and many other UA-cam audiences would love to watch a perfect analysis that is historically accurate and completely unbiased video by you. If Balkan Odyssey is creating poor or inaccurate content, since you know some much, you should endeavor to correct this travesty, and not just by posting critique and sarcasm in the comments section where it has not much affect or validity ;)
@@unlimitedcosmicspeed Dear friend, my videos have totally different nature, and there are only few of them, because I'm not much of the "UA-cam content creator", but more of the music lover. Anyway, you are welcome to watch them. And why are you so bitter? And imprecise, beside that? Who said that the above video is poor? I'm certainly not. The fact that I pointed to some inconsistencies and controversies does'n mean that video is poor, or that I think of it as such, just that in video are, just like I said, some inconsistencies and controversies. For every serious author, it is useful to have and listen to other people's opinion. I don't know are you some kind of authors representative, but even that it is the case, you should be a little bit more open, especially when you are dealing with such hard and important topic. If you slow down your unlimited light speed and read carefully my comment, you'll see that there's no judging, or "this is wrong, this is right" claims. Just few observations. Like I said before, I hope that the author will correctly understand my words and that he or she will continue to make this kind of content, and be better and better with every following. Cheers.
Great video! It's hard to stay unbiased when it comes to Kosovo, due to the human nature and the hate that still exists in our region. Nevertheless, you made some great points, and with time hopefully, our region gets to finally experience peace and harmony!
P.S Can you tell me the source of the picture you used at 21:54? My father is in that picture, I thought I was hallucinating when I saw it 😅
I belive kosovo should go to the people that named it and settled there first in that case serbia
Thank you! But damn it'd be hard to pinpoint where I found it, but I don't think I dug around Google too much with the keywords "Partizani, ww2, jugoslavija etc." before simply finding it on Images. Let me know if you manage to find it (try reverse image search after taking a screenshot)
@@Bababoy6969 the first people who settled here were Albanians lool...millennia and millennia before the arrival of the Serbs in the Balkans and then the term Kosovo is a Bulgarian term also the capital of serbia belgrade is a bulgarian name..however what you say makes no sense because following your logic then then it means that the balkans belong to turkey since the name balkan is a turkish name?? wtf ...none of these names and terms are native here...Kosovo is called Dardania instead the Balkans are called the Illyrian Peninsula these are the original names here
@@lagjescuni5482 absolutely not did u even care to google that also why is it called kosovo and not kosova then💀💀💀💀
@@Bababoy6969 seeing the nonsense you write including your profile picture absolutely proves that you are a troll....
Thanks
The answer is: Kosovo is in the Worker's Iineternational Territory.
I now understand why when a poll was held in the ex balkan countries of yugoslavia whether or not they missed yugoslavia and believed it’s split hurt their country, Kosovo had the lowest score of voting the breakup of yugoslavia hurt their country, and the majority saying the breakup of yugoslavia was a positive
Yes but the majority ablanian population of kosovo is not native, if they don't want to respect the territorial integrety of the country that they chose to move to, then they can go back to there own country which is called alblania.
@@laonda5673 The rise in population of Kosovo can be explained by the expulsion of Albanians who populated Novi Pazar and Nish to the area of Kosovo. You will hardly believe that socialist Albania allowed 1 Million+ people to migrate over, lol. Albania was called "Europes north Korea" for a damn good reason.
@@laonda5673enlighten me on what happened to the albanians in niš region and sandzak? Assimilated, expelled etc etc. And the Serbs massacred albanians in kosova Macedonia etc etc where they were already living
@@euphoriaggaminghd thank you for asking me, it will be my pleasure enlighten you as you requested. Firstly the albanians of nis were never native to area because they were brought there by the ottomans as colonizers in order to control the native christian serbian population and prevent them from being able to rebel against there oppressors.
Secondly as far as sanjak is concerned, the native serbian population living there was gradually islamized over time by the ottomans.
The albanians were never expelled from neither nis or sanjak, instead they simply left after they realised the ottomans no longer had any control over that region, just as tge french left algeria after they lost control over it.
@@laonda5673 sandzak is an area where the many muslim bosniaks and serbians there have albanian ancestry, and over time these albanians became assimilated. Also in Niš albanians have been there since ancient times, and were also expelled mainly or assimilated if the albanian there was an orthodox. To me it doesn't make sense that Serbians had a problem with Ottomans controlling religious demographics when they disown their own brothers in Bosnia and Croatia for following a different religion/sect. I can very easily claim Albanians hold no hostility towards each other on a basis of religion since all Albanians identify with their ethnicity. This is why when you say Albanians were used as colonialists it is untrue. Albanians had all sorts of religions and it became even more diverse when the Ottomans came. The Albanians living in Sandzak and Niš were already Orthodox Christians before the Ottomans ever came. Furthermore, Albanians left these regions because they were expelled. Most Albanians who lived in Niš and Novi Pazar came to Kosova before and during the Balkan wars.
Albanian proletarians must to overthrow their elite, and serbian proletarians must to ovethrow the vucic dictatorship. . . Problem solved. . .
And what does the result look like? Albanian partizans like good dogs agreed to everything tito said with hopes that kosovo would join albania.
As soon as ww2 was over the yugoslavs changed their minds like opportunistic snakes.
In the end it is Albanians' fault for being such gullible idiots, but I doubt any Albanian now except edi rama trust the shkavell
And serbians must recognise kosovo as an independent state
@@euphoriaggaminghdor Albania and Kosovo should unite and respect the serbian minority & churches. And that’s it. No more complications
LOL
I had to do a double-take at 22:51
and then I realized that it probably was *a different* Slobodan Milosevic
would've been wild if President Milosevic originally thought that about "indigenous Serbs", haha
Косово-Serbian word.
Baš me briga -is also a Serbian word.
Kosovo is slavic, not serbian. Region name is from Bulgarians.
However, the old name, Dardania - Albanian word.
@@lild3412Stop talking bullshit, if you don't knew historical facts,because, if you knew, you would also know that the Dardanians are just one of the Serbian tribes.
@@zoranmarkovic1123 You are ashamed to be a slav and we know it.
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you can be happy that we respect the Slavic Name Kosovo 🇽🇰🇽🇰🇽🇰
my country, my beauty, ❤️❤️
Very good video, I will try to pass it around at the best of my ability. Although I didn't really like the unscientific use (in certain points) of imperialism. A note: I find that a video about and of the Roma people in the Balkans (or Europe) as a whole would not only be interesting but very important. There are not many voices about them.
He always does this. It's use of the boogieman "Imperialism" is exactly the same that rightwing people do with "cultural marxism"
@@locusamoenus831 you are overreacting mate. Imperialism can be used as they do in the video, Marxists simply shouldn't use it like that. It's not at the same note as using a nazi dog whistle, relax
@@BalkanSpectre waw
Thank you. I'd very much appreciate a more exact explaination of how my use of the word is unscientific. In the Balkan context, it is used by communists from the region very regularly, as seen from the quotes.
@@BalkanOdyssey_ well I am not really surprised... Imperialism is an economic term, it is the latest stage of capitalism, with specific characteristics. Calling coercion "imperialist" is not correct within Marxist methodology. Of course it's not "wrong". If you read bourgeois historians they will call everything imperialist. They will call the Roman empire imperialist
Thank You for this Video, as an Kosovo Albanian who left the Kosovo 1992 as a Teenager, i agry wery much with your Thoughts.
I had the same Diskussion with a Serb during working in Germany.
The depopulation of all Balkans and falling Birthrates as Result of broken Economics and Corrupt States.
My Ukrainian Employ is still in his Patriotic Wawe, im tying too open his Eyes with the Future of his Land will be the same as the Balkans.
I was student in 1989 before collapse of Jugoslavia and driving in train from Ljubljana to Maribor I was reading than critical articles Mladina review about political tensions in Kosovo crises. An older Serbian man sit near me and saw me reading this and ask me what is my appinion about Kosovo problem. I had answer him that Serbs will have to sooner or later realise that Kosovo with mayority of Albanian population will be loose from Serbian authority. I told him that we Slovenes haved similar problen in 1920 when we had to addmit that old Slovenian land Koroska/Kartnen with main city of Celovec/Klagenfurt was leaved to Austria after national plebiscit/public woting in wich people from this region Germans and Slovenians vote about deciding to live in Austria or with rest Slovenians in Yugoslavia. And mayority of population than vote for Austria. Koroška as a center of first Slovenian state Karantanija was historicly described as cradle of Slovenians like Kosovo was disribed like cradle of Serbians. But in midle age German colonists from Bavaria settled to region and in next centuries becomes mayority in Koroska region like Albanian colonist settlers become in centuries mayority in Kosovo region. Serbian man thanks me for this information that he did not know and said to me that he newer thinking about this issue like I had told him in my appinion and that this make a sense.
The choice of (very rich and eloborate) observations shape the conclusions. These influence the opinions and positions on subjects. The major control of the entire process is known as "Manufacturing Consent". Maybe we should leave these guys alone to sort it out and find a sustainable solution that works for them, outside the narratives of NATO, USA, EULEX, UNMIK, UN etc. etc.
In 1999 in Prishtina when the Serbian army started forcibly removing the Albanian population from their apartments and on to the street, they were met with applause by their long Serbian neighbors. From their windows they cheered as the people whom they spent most of their lives with were being beaten and stolen away from their lives. As magical as communism can be, it can't magic away the collective trauma that the Albanian population has.
You are a liar.
Things can change relatively quickly. The Russians committed numerous acts of violence against minorities, especially the Jews. And yet they were the first country to make racism a crime. The Russian workers realised that these were backwards ideas that only benefit the capitalists. Things can change quickly, especially with education as the USSR has shown
dont populate into countries that isnt your own lol
@@oscarmentothen the slavs shouldn't have migrated from Siberia ;)
@@oscarmentohow can you be the majority population in a territory that isn't yours?
social democracy gives fascism a platform
Kosovo issue will be solved when serbian government invests over 100 mil euros per year for lobying and aiding certain political groups in US.
When they see that Serbia is a better partner that will have to be rewarded they will give these rebels up like nothing ever was going on there.
Simple.US does not care,they saw an oportunity to have a base in Europe and took it.Serbia will probably have to get into EU and Nato,but albanians will get nothing and will be given the treatement that kurds have in Turkey.
you have mental illness
Indeed, and once the US gives up on Kosovo, everyone else in NATO will follow
Looking forward to you making a video on Kosovo Serbian Holly Land. It will not be easy for you to dodge historical facts😅
Was there a mention of the 1901 Massacre of Serbs in Kosovo Vilayet?
There is another way: Åland, 1921.
То браво браво опет отуђи све Србе од Срба ко Тито што нас је отуђио јао како леп видео 🤓❤️❤️🤓❤️🤓
To ti je klasika komunjara...
Just wanted to say that I enjoyed the video and sorry about all of these comments lol
Sto se izvinjavas zbog tudjih komentara?
What if this "class theory" is something long ripe for an overhaul, or at least an update. The same may apply to socialism. Who belongs to the "working class"? Who is a "bourgeois"? How would you categorize digital nomads, and anyone working remotely - from home, coworking space, sandy beach... Individualists rarely interested in "trade unions"? How would you organize them - and chase them around the world, just to talk to them? Spitting out old Marxist theories may not work as it may have worked (perhaps) a century ago.
i sleep to your videos
First of all great video as always, I agree with some statements and opinions but in the end everyone have their own opinion.
Moje mišljenje o svemu ovome i o samoj situaciji u kojoj se Srbija geopolitički nalazi još uvek nije potpuno. Politički još uvek nisam potpuno opredeljen jer pokušavam nekako da napravim svoje mišljenje o svemu. Nije da pokušavam da napravim svoju ideologiju, ali ipak želim da proučim sve i da izvučem ono što mi se čini najpametnijim i najpravednijim.
Trenutno je u Srbiji oblik vladavine partikratija a naprednjake sačinjavaju: oligarhisti, nacionalisti, socijalisti i još neki izmešani.
War is like a coin, it has two sides two stories. If you want to know true about any war you need to see both sides of the coin. There is always multiple perspectives or viewpoints. "There is always two sides of coin" is quote made in USA, but I compared it to war. There are war criminals in every nation but there is no need to generalise that stereotipe on everyone from that ethnicity.
For all of us born in the region, I can say one thing, you need to go outside, live outside to learn how to accept other cultures and religions, customs etc. than try to spread that seed on your friends and family, assign leaders who have that experience and passion and put them in position and than let them promote that, if its possible for ex yu and balkan people to work and live abroad, to be friends and coworkers, of course its possible here in balkan. Key is education, promoting each others values, learn how to be objective, learn how to accept others no matter differences, learn how to say sorry, I made a mistake, etc. Only key is EDUCATION and TOLERANCE and PROMOTION OF CORRECT VALUES. Look at the future and built whatever union among our territories without borders completely decentralized. Idea of Yugoslavia was good. It was ahead of that time. You can accept or not, but it was like EU today, countires and nations connected without borders, without passports, with less birocracy. We had that idea, it was not implemented properly. Actually it was implemented so bad that people now say Thank god it disappeared etc. But this is just normal thinking of something that failed. We had wars to separate and be ethnically clean, to built our nations and now we all fight to enter EU which idea is multiculturalism which is exactly what we could achieve long ago. Paradox. However for the ones who doesn't know all our political leaders are same as before. Same idealogy of insulting other neighbors, The ones who promote wars, promote intolerance and conflicts. and only looking own benefits. How is that possible? Well easily, people are so easy to manipulate and its easier to push someone into conflict than to make them work and live together. as long as this political elite is ruling in all balkan countires, controlling media, education etc, it will never be better unfortunately, even if you have little bit of brain you can see that. Some new non-biased generations have to step up, accept mistakes, and move on, look forward for benefits of all of us. others will naturally follow. I wish that country is Serbia, but unfortunately I am not optimistic. What I can do as individual is to teach my kids and theirs kids things I mentioned above. I traveled whole world many times up and down, we have great sense of humor, hospitality, We are super hard working when motivated and many others values which all balkan people share. All I said of course can be articulated in a better way and promoted to all of us. I find hardly to believe in conspiracy theories that evil west or our russian "brothers" doesn't allow that. And even so, we have to strongly believe in our own idealogy and results will come, no one in the world can remove us geographically where we are already so based on that we can organize and bring them jere to invest, spend their money, buy our products, import our goods. We live in a modern world, world of opportunities and connections, everything is available, air transport will be future, land borders doesn't mean anything in that sense anymore, like never before we have a chance to create our own place where everyone can economically thrive. I wish Peace and prosperity to everyone in balkan, we dont have anyone closer than each other and hopefully this comment will change at least one person way of thinking. Cheers
Your dream I shared with you until 1992 when the people like you and me let the nationalists poison everyone’s minds instead of fighting back and stand up to them we just like sheep joined with them with hate that didn’t exist since Second World War.We can work with each other in another country but the memories of atrocities committed in the name of greater Serbia cannot be forgotten.It might take a couple of generations where the brutality of what Serbia caused.I was born in Yugoslavia and lived in Belgrade until 1971 when we packed up and migrated for the best life possible and being half kosovar I visited a village in kosovo and from memories I told my children to expect poverty because that’s what I remembered but in stead I found prosperity and from what my family said to me that it was achieved since the separation from Serbia.I can say that I speak three languages and when I was there I spoke with most of Albanians in Serbian and never had a problem.If you want to solve this problem recognise kosovo and the door will be open because 30% still speak Serbian and are ready to forgive and forget but they will never let anyone rule over them.More than 50% of commerce is made even now with Serbia so they are ready to cooperate but they want to be self determined and good neighbours.
Take a sip every time he says "bourgeoisie"! 🍻
Kosovo is De Facto it’s own republic de Jure Serbia and in no way whatsoever Albania besides having the same ethnic inhabitants
Ok
Kosovo & Metohija is Serbian Christian holy land under nato occupation,.One day Nato will be gone, so as their puppets very soon after that
but sandzakmis bosnian or what=
America is Kosovo
america is russia
Serbia is Serbia, Albania is Albania. Kosovo is Kosovo…
Or simply BRING BACK YUGOSLAVIA!!!!!
Fuck how much I love the Balkans…
Every country in Balkans and all the people. Not only ex Yugoslavia.
Nation states struggle is class struggle and the opposite
Starting counting Kosovo's history from 1921 ...What about before ? Shame...skiping all the events from history in which the serbs where oppressed by Turks and Albanians. Not to mention 1244 resolution
UÇK song can solve this problem
The ethno centrism in the Balkans was always a sham considering how mixed we were all over the place. Having to identify as one nationality while growing up in a different nation.
Also sad to see the cycle of oppressed becoming oppressors constantly circling.
I think we keep losing all the good people in these wars.
As a Serbian I’m just wondering how we can convince the public that the propaganda of Kosovo is Serbia is just that, propaganda.
Also, conveniently omitted here, Yugoslav communists DID try to "solve Kosovo once and for all" using the very blueprint mentioned in this video, and they still had to send divisions of Yugoslav Army to quell armed resistance and calls for a independent Kosovo, gave all the concessions to the Albanian majority that were asked, except full independence, and they still had to deal with massive riots, parallel system of government, ethnic violence directed towards the Serbian and other non- Albanian minorities, etc... All of that happening in the KPJ era, long before Milosevic came to power.
Because kosovo should never have been yugoslav to begin with. Albanian and bulgarian partizans freed it, but the great powers wanted to see pre-ww2 borders.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Operation_(1944)
Even the yugos, after being handed it on a silver platter, could not contain it until months after. What cowardly bastards to attack such people seeking freedom.
If it was not for Albanian partizans who betrayed kosovo for political power the issue would not exist today.
Furthermore, COMINTERN had already promised Albanians that Albania-Kosovo would be unified after ww2 was over, but changed their mind after the war. You are opportunistic shkije.
And it worked
@@KekusMagnus how did it work if the result was Albanian riots and murders of non-Albanians (as well as murder of Albanians loyal to the state)? What worked was the counter-terrorism operation which put an end to it... or it would, if imperialist NATO didn't intervene for their own imperial interests, supporting the local terrorists against state actors.
@@vukasinmileusnic2481 That's an ignorant chauvinist argument. The rise of petty ethnonationalism in late Yugoslavia was a general trend and a reaction to declining living standards. There are many reasons for this, namely a passive liberalisation of the economy followed by harsh austerity measures, etc.
Point is, things were working out just fine before the 80s.
@@KekusMagnus if you say it's ignorant and chauvinist then it must be so!
petty ethnonationalism is one thing, physical and constitutional violence is completely different.
things weren't working "just fine before the 80's" as political mainstream of ethnonationalist body of Kosovo Albanians has been working for greater Albania, ever since the first Prizren league in the 19th century. they just caught wind in the 80's, less so because of overall economical climate, more so because Tito died and Yugoslavia was written off by various Empires, out of which one in particular, the USofA, on suggestion from the UK, decided to use that ethnonationalism to divide and break up the country. first, extremist forces from Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo were propped up and supported to incite violence and eliminate any chance for a peaceful transition.
Point is, communist Yugoslavia did not solve the issue, on the contrary it just added to the problem with 1974. constitution. proof is in the pudding, Kosovo Albanians were instigating violence in the 80's during the Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia, as well as in all previous decades ever since the Balkan wars, and yes, most certainly during the commie Yugoslavia, specially during the 40's, first by being Nazi puppets, and then continuing their fight for years after 1945. when the war officially ended. up until 1950's Yugoslav army had enormous military presence in the province, waging a full on war against Kosovo Albanian irredentists. With guns, tanks and bullets, not with phrases from Das Kapital.
You're downplaying the US' involvement in the dissolution of Yugoslavia and them funding right wing groups in all of the republics and Kosovo, but great video nonetheless...
He went over that in a different video.
No ,
Yugoslavia was dissolved by Slovenia first, Croatia second,Bosnia third,Macedonia fourth,Kosova and Monte Negro followed.
Actually Monte negro and Macedonia are now members of NATO.
So stop blaming America for your own failures.
@@markgjidoda2745As Yugoslavia had opened itself up to western capital penetration during the 60's, it had amassed quite a substantial debt. In 1992 was internationally sanctioned, this effort was lead by the US which brought utter economic disaster, unemployment rose as high as 70%. The far-right thrives under these conditions. America directly funded far-right ultra-nationalist organisations in former Yugoslavia that hadn't been seen since the end of WW2, suddenly made a reappearance with American money and American weapons. The member republics had little choice to secede thanks to something called the Foreign Appropriations Law which President Bush passed in 1990, it called for the cutting off of all aid and credit to Yugoslavia. It also demanded that if any republic in Yugoslavia wanted any further US aid, they would have to hold elections in their own borders and break away from Yugoslavia. This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a public act. They wanted Yugoslavia fragmented into a series of de-industrialised right-wing banana republics, whose natural resources were at the disposal of multinational corporations and whose populations would live on subsistence wages, whose economies would offer no competition with western capital, only new investment opportunities.
@@markgjidoda2745 There are official documents my guy 🙄
@@nusproizvodjach Do you happen to know where to look for the documents? I'm curious
2:21 😲 Noel Malcolm
KOŠEVO JE BOSNA 🇧🇦🇧🇦
Ja sam u šoku, ispade da su srbi neki fašisti..? Krenuo si od oslobađanja od turaka i kako su srbi odma uzeli da maltretiraju albance koji su tu domoroci? Na kraju kažeš kosovo nije kolevka srpstva... kako onda imamo pravoslavne manastire stare bez malo milenijum? Više ne može ni da bude kolevka srpstva kad su proterali većinu srba i namnožili se ko nenormalni.
Imaš manastire i u Grčkoj ?! I, koji je zaključak...
@@Svirir evo ne znam života mi moga prostoga. Znam samo da nam je uništena istorija i da smo demonizovani kao retko koji narod. Sloboda se plaća krvlju, ko nije spreman da položi život za nju biće večiti rob. Dok ne naučimo da poštujemo jedi druge i ne oprostimo jedni drugima, bićemo prokleti užasnom sudbinom.
Samo sam trazio srpski komentar da vidim da li da gledam ovo ili ne, cim cujem da britanac prica o nama srbima, odma znam da je gomila lazi i gluposti, britanci najveca gamad na zemaljskoj kugli
@@Svirirda su to zajednički manastiri tj od svih vernika ? Jel si to mislio?
A zakljucak je da je to srpska zemlja oduvek bila ...
@@simeonnjegovan1133 ne razumem, Grča je oduvek bila srpska zemlja ?! A, to je ona istorija po Deretiću... Dve godine ti trajalo Dušanovo carstvo i odma - gde smo se popišali to je Srbija ! Lazarova polusestra se uDa za Šubića, bribirskog kneza, tu napravi manastir za svoju svitu, i odma - Srbi tu žive vekovima, to je Srbija ??! Mnogo ste mutav narod...
"...You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
I was one of the OG subs, back when this channel was known as Serbian mapping. I remember the announcement where all videos will be kept as a token of appreciation for BalkanOdyssey's transition from right-winged to left-winged.
Yet, the first video on Kosovo is nowhere to be found. I wonder why is that? Maybe because the first video did not start counting history from the 1921 census and from the Balkan wars? Maybe because the original Kosovo video was backed by credible sources and not articles from Pescanik, Marxist or Crvena Kritika?
"Свак' је рођен да по једном умре, част и брука живе довијека."
I am no longer subscribed to BalkanOdyssey. I wish him all the best, as well as all of you dear readers.
The fundamental problem with this video is it's shallowness despite the one hour long runtime. A modest and incomplete historical overview, followed by clearly subjective analysis of recent events, culminated by an idealistic communist view of a utopian future.
Dear viewer, to understand the historical context behind the Balkan social situation, I highly recommend authors such as Marie-Janine Colic, Andrej Mitrovic, Stevan Pavlovic. Not a political pamphlet from a communist website ("Crvena Kritika, Za samoopredeljenja naroda Kosova i izgradnju Balkanske Socijalističke Federacije! (2023)") where the writers were not even brave enough to sign the article by name.
Kind regards to all from a sociologist who earned his masters degree on left-winged or left-leaning sources (at the UB).
Балканска одисејо; Плитко, површно, идеолошки-обојено, пристрасно, и поврх свега потпорено "литературом" која је све, само не научна и кредибилна. Постао си оно против чега си хтео да се бориш оснивањем овог канала. Желим ти све најбоље и изражавам дубоку жал што ниси искористио прилику да у коренитој промени сопствених ставова постанеш објективнији и да више мислиш сопственом главом.
Сасвим супротно заправо; Непристраснији си био као заговорник деснице. Променио си одело, десну одору заменио левом. Но ћуд није мрднула никуд. Држим ти палчеве да једном стасаш и постанеш газда сопствених мисли и дела, а не слуга идеализма - ма са које позиције тај идеализам долазио.
Свако добро!
Savršen opis propasti ovog kanala i njega kao individue. Samo bih još da istaknem onaj uvodni deo gde se ograđuje pre samog početka videa, da nije autošovinista, što dalje u videu totalno opovrgava. Nekritički, baziran na nenaučnim člancima i veoma subjektivan video. Izgubio je mnoge levičare Srbije ovim, nek mu je na čast!
@@sonjaregodic6924 Управо тако. Регургитација чланака incognito интернет-комуниста није одлика академика, прогресивног мислиоца, умозборника.
Следбеник левичарске идеологије, посебно када је у питању друштвена наука, треба да увек настоји да непирстрасно тумачи податке и чињенице не би ли се дошло до истине. Особно нисам левичар, а унаточ томе сам изразито и темељно уживао у литератури и штиву помоћу којег сам досегао до својих диплома.
Ово што је Балкански Одисеј окачио на ЈуТјуб је чист релеј нечијих обојених идеала, а не културно-образовни материјал (како му стоји у опису канала).
Serbian Mapping prop'o, podrska za palog brata и остали фазони на страну, потпуно сте у праву да се једном значајан канал срозао на видео билтен једне марксистичке организације.
Tako je to brate kad odrastes u tudjini i nikad ne pripadas nikome, nema on pojma za sta hoce da se bori, ali za Srbiju ocigledno nemoze jer nije Srbin a nije ni nista drugo, osudjen na cistiliste sveta.
For Illirian peninsula Confederation! 👏
Would enjoy hearing part of our history during WWI when Albania was divided if they should help Serbia or not. Here we can clearly see that divide is always between us, common people and them, the ruling, it was never between nations. In Serbia we had treacherous prime minister Pasic who traded guns and ammunition to Austrohungary during WWI. The same man that only knew how to sin and looked his own imperialistic ambitions. I believe that all our republics now have at least 1000 of those profiters that control our nations and divide us, while we are one people!
Other Communists in the area labeled the working-class Albanians there "counter-revolutionary"??
YIKES
Excellent video, comrade. Let us hope that soon, we may build a true Balkan socialist federation.
dont want a repeat of yugoslavia, so nah, living alone is much better, i hope the EU goes under as well and we just create an economic corp. organisation, this globalist ideology and politcal union to create a kind of EUSSR is bs. the EU started out pretty good that is until they wanted all european countries to function in accordance to the pax americana model.
never ever .
@@beratmaliqi5445we will make sure to not ask for your opinion
@@chamberv5261
yugoslavija is DEAD
greetings from Republic of Kosovo 🇽🇰🇦🇱