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“If only we could unite our people under one flag, all of our problems would go away.”
“If only we could return our historical lands, our great nation would flourish and prosper.”
“If only those filthy Serbs stopped sabotaging our holy Croatian land, our life would be better.”
“If only those filthy Albanians stopped plaguing our holy Serbian land in Kosovo, if all our neighbours just admitted they were Serbs, we would finally be liberated.”
“If only those brainwashed Macedonians accepted they’re Bulgarians, all of our problems would go away.
What you just read is some of the most commonplace rhetorical ammunition of a great deal of the conservative populace in the Balkan peninsula - yet another Balkan obsession among many others that we have already tackled in this series.
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That guy with a hungarian flag on a bulgarian nationalist rally is a little confused but he got the spirit.
😂What minute?
Don’t they believe that the ancestors of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Turks descended from the same tribe in Central Asia?
@@artman12 Only some of them belive that. They are the Turanists. Most of ethninationalists in Hungary have other versions, usually having Hungarians as a stand alone archaic people that invented the world. They even go back claiming Sumers.
Naw it was a Hungarian hyper nationalist who thinks they should own Bulgaria
Bulgars and Magyars originated both from Asia but that’s about it. It’s like a Mexican and Australian saying we’re related cuz we’re both from Europe
Balkan and nationalism, name a more iconic duo.
America and bad politics
iraq and oil
@@hhyzigy * Saudi Arabia
@@robogaming9228 Saudi Arabia and fundamentalism
@@robogaming9228 Wait and see just how brain dead retarded politicians in the Balkans are...
This is so similar to what's happening in my country, Ethiopia. We have always been independent, had one of the first institutions, great geographic advantages, immense fertile land and natural resources, yet we're a destitute nation with a major civil war taking place every generation. Even I'm one of the people you're talking about, but I can't help but be when there's an ethnic war and you can only choose two sides with no other alternatives. Either your ethnicity or the ethnicity you're at war with.
I'm from the Amhara tribe, and my people are fighting our neighbours, Tigray. The conflict has displaced millions and killed tens of thousands. The root cause of this is a land dispute and political disagreement with ethnicity as its base.
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Ogaden doesn’t belong to Ethiopia, Ethiopia is an imperialist fascist Christian state that has made war on all its neighbours!
Furthermore Amharas in the time of the Ethiopian empire used to abuse all the other ethnic groups in the empire, this is why Amhara language is primary language of Ethiopia today!
@@ProfessorOFanthropology979 Not really. Tigrayans still want the power they had.
This African tribal thing is a huge mess just by itself. An honest and probably naive question. But why is it impossible for those tribes to form a real nation and state?
Is it language? I can't imagine each just some meters away having completely different cultures absolutely incompatible to each other.
I often look at yugoslavia when i fear for whats happening in my country nigeria, seperatism isnt the main issue but the governments ineptitude and unwillingness to reform has given them more credence
Nigeria probably will split into a Muslim and Christian State, but that isn't a bad thing, it should be seen as something organical. Religions can't coexist
@@timurdemirkan5272 the northern states have even instated sharia, though down south muslims aren't fundamentalist and coexist, especially in the south west
@@umueri1877 I really hope the Islamists take over Nigeria and take care of this Corrupt Government.
@@umueri1877 Nigeria can't be like Yugoslavia, Nigeria is not multi ethnical only multi religious.
@@Shqiptar6 what do you mean mot multi ethnic? It clearly is
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From the beginning I had good opinion about you.You were explaining the Western imperialism in the Balkans,the real way the destruction of Yugoslavia happened and spoke only truth.And alltough you vere serb nationalist and I was bulgarian nationalist and our views on certain topics could of made furious debate,I respected you more.Because even if some nationalist lays claim on big chunk of my territory,or bashes my country and glorifies his,I will still respect him more than the one who bashes both my nation and his.Nowadays you've became no different from the other mainstream western channels which always depicts the balkans as the bad guys.I was sick that instead of someone looking into the claims of every balkan nation and giving his opinion on which is right and which is wrong,they just state every claim is wrong and useless.And whereas in the first option we can actually have conversation and solve the problem,in the second,in which every claim is wrong,no one gets satisfied and its literally the most dissapointing for all parties.Let me give you an example.Since you know history,maybe you know how the people of North Macedonia are actually bulgarians,but nowadays instead of my nation being united and strong,its devided and macedonians hate us.They are taught in schools that they have nothing to do with us and we are tatars,they are lied that Alexander the great is from their people and change history as they like.And all of that happens while the west is growing and becoming stronger. Tell me is it right to devide a nation in 2 forcefully and create in one of the states artificial language and taught them in schools to basically hate themseles(Bulgarians) and steal greek history?And is it wrong if I want all of this Communist propaganda to get some light and the truth get known and my nation reunited again?Rather than having conversations about it and in the end getting truth to triuph and get together and possibly reunite,we are just told that we are all scums and our dreams of greater nation are useless.Thats why the balkans will be always dissunited and against each other,avoiding to talk about their different views of greater selfs and who is right for what,rather if someone makes a video of this it will be some neutral pacifistic shit,that will satisfy no one.Spain doesnt give Catalonia independence,even if they are different people and just 10% of the land,Britain doesnt give independence to Scotland even if they are different people.But here in the Balkans for some reason there are 3 Serbian states,2 Croatian states,2 Albanian states,2 Greek states,2 Bulgarian states and 2 Romanian states.And we are asking ourselves then why we are dissunited??!!And you did the same thing when you talked about the ancient counterparts of the modern balkan states,again dissatisfying all sides by claiming that no modern balkan nation has ancient ancestor,which is bullshit- ex Yugoslavia and Albania are descendants of the Illyrians,Bulgarians are descendants of Thracians,Romanians of Dacians and Greeks of the Hellenes.Even if you look to ancient balkan map and one in the cold war,the borders seem the same,even with 2000years difference.
Im telling you this,you can be really ,,based'''in my eyes and many others if you spoke the truth,even if it hurt someone.Talking real shit about the different Balkan nations claims,which no one for now does,rather than just say we are obsessed or some shit,talking real about the US imperialism and the fall of Yugoslavia and talking real about why socialism is the only hope for ending slavery.
@@AK911Edits is Western Imperialism really to blame though?
@@AK911Edits There's not much good that can be discussed when the subject is ultranationalism. Such nationalism is dehumanizing, idealistic, and unhealthy. That's why the video has a negative tone. I think you mistake what Balkan Odyssey means, he's not saying you can't have great people or a greater country like Yugoslavia, nor did he say there's no such thing as a good Balkan person, he is saying the concept of an individual Balkan state being ethnically and nationally "greater" than its neighbors is the problem. Balkan Odyssey isn't straying away from the goal that made you like him in the first place, in order to fulfill the goal of unity, you have to talk about things that can be trivial and upsetting. Let the negative feelings inspire you to seek unity more strongly.
@@Stellar_PoliticsHalf OF THE Bulgarian populated land was stripped from us,people in there were opressed,brainwashed or fled to Bulgaria.One such instance is Macedonia,where they were forcefully indoctrinated to believe they are not bulgarians.People were killed,murdered and opressed untill the whole population started identifying as macedonian and those who refused were subjugated to discrimination.You can always read about this or find the truth,but people normally dissmiss this as just some ,,nationalistic bullshit'' as if all nationalistic statesments are wrong.My grandparents fought to preserve our unity,what do you expect me to do?To acknowledge a brainwashed bulgarian nation,which was created with lies and stalinist propaganda and thousands of murdered?WTF is this sense of peace.Pacifism and Neutrality are only sometimes the answer,but preaching it in every case in history like a fanatic is just cringe.So either Im spineless and I accept Macedonia as their own different people,which existence is a mockery to the bulgarian people by the great powers or I know the truth and respect my grandparents and their cause and start ww3 somehow?
When each person under any color of flag realizes that they all have needs of food, water, shelter, and safety, and all want love and care for their families, and all want to pursue passions - will people start seeing each other as people and not as the savages the rich makes you dehumanize your neighbors as. Great video, my wife is from Serbia and introduced you to me, very inspirational.
People will see each other as people, when the one side (Serbia) stop hurting the other (Bulgaria).
What about Entertainment?
@@cakeisyummy5755 how exactly is serbia hurting Bulgaria? Bulgaria won out in the end, with a stronger economy, so who exactly hurt too? Unity makes strength, not division
@@Boykofan Congratulation,you managed to ping the wrong person
@@epicguy3449 it happens
The Chad balkan mindset vs the Virgin Western mindset.
That why American is great and eastern Europe is third world
@@mty5 America great? Quit sipping soy
@@ShabanAjeti America=Rich, Trump,
Eastern Europe=Putin playground
@@mty5 You can't even write English properly. So much for being FiRsT wOrLd.
@@mty5What?
4:17 It should be noted that the collapse of Yugoslavia is not only used as a condemnation of multiculturalism within the Balkans, but also outside of them as well
Its also use to blame nationalism but i am not gonna talk about that clusterf*ck of a conflict.
Multiculturalism does not exist. And never has been a successful. There can only be cultural war, police state, cancel culture nonsenses. Multiethnic empires did well, on the other hand. But for them to work, there must be strong political and military organization and then one culture, common culture.
Collapse of Yugoslavia was a dangerous road sign for the liberal West as well.
Especially with Milosevic pilot testing Dugin's 3rd position.
As an Italian I was just thinking about my country's irredentism before you started talking about mussolini
Wow, this video really changed my beliefs on this topic. Hvala from Bulgaria
greater bulgaria is something we deserve tough
@@AK911Edits Do we? Is it gonna change your every day life, or is it gonna be a resource milk for the ones above you
македония е изцяло българска каквото и да си говорим
Dude, this channel is literal Yugoslav propaganda, and if you really believe in the things he says, then It's sad to see that you are falling for the same stupid propaganda that brainwashed the Bulgarians in Vardar Macedonia, but since you have already fallen to Marxist, propagandistic deception, you are probably not very smart anyways, but I do hope that when you learn what these ideologies, such as communism, socialism ect, have done to the world, then you will realize what you agreed with.
@@user-ox1po3wv6g Macedonia is Serbian, deal with it
"The enteire concept that ethnic and religious homogenity is a guarntee to nation's succes is ..."
Poland : Yes , yes it is.
Why Czech and Slovakia isn't part of Poland, then?
@@markocroatia7630 Bc they are diffrent nations ?
@@markocroatia7630 Czechia is Filled with Atheists who are Atheists because they hated the Austrians so fucking much that they saw Christianity as a Tool that the Austrians used to Conquer them.
@@mohammedsea857 XD
@@Lucas_07-PL As somebody who lives in Poland, I can say that while we did suceed in early XXI century, we have somewhat dug ourselves into a hole since then.
The same old pattern. The powerful make the common people fight each other so they can stay in control.
divide and conquer - is one of the oldest technique or war
Balkankan is a great Macedonian movie about it.
Eh
This video is so underrated.
Similar differences on the basis of religion have started in India as well.
And no one is focusing on the basic rights like healthcare, unemployment, education etc. They are building more religious monuments instead of better infrastructure. The hatred is plaguing people's minds. But there is still a huge chunk of people that support liberal ideas of equality. As long as they are present, there is peace.
No, you see, Yugoslavia started with ethnic cleansing - 300,000 italians left from the coast, and about 50,000 Voivodina, norther part of Serbia that was mainly German- Hungarians land, it was cleansed as well. So, when one found on the wrong grounds, it doesn't stand a chance.
How many AIIMS hospitals did modi built?
@@josipag2185 Extreme stupidity derive from this comment and pure nationalist myths. They are excpelled as direct supporters of fascism and nazism, and had hands in blood ti the jaws, that is the reason of they were expelled, and not cause of their national indetity. Most of those people still live in those regions. Where people on other side do not live anymore is certainly Croatia, the most ethnicly cleansed country of all Balkan. Its 85% consist of Croat population, while any other ex Yugoslavian country is more multi national.
It's the same like us. We thought that if we were going make Greater Greece then all of our problems would vanish. And as you can see, 1897 we lost, 1922 we lost, why? Because we didn't gave attention to our economy so we can do those wars. And not only about our economy but also the politicians who were and still are corrupted
As for the 1922 thing, we can also see how our king and the entente took advantage of our once at least slightly legitimate national struggle by forcing to go deep into native Turkish land, way deeper than eastern Thrace and Smyrna which had a significant Greek population. Why did they do this? Probably to put down the Russian Revolution. This was not a good war, we were used by the imperialists. And even if we did take the Turkish land we wanted, we would likely oppress the Turks living there. Sad.
@@gnas1897 No one forced us to go that deep. It was just bad management by us. This war was completely our fault and no one is to be blamed except us. The Greeks.
Ehhh it's not only that. Greece could have won against the Ottoman Empire if it just followed Venizelos' strategy. But a monkey bite and stupid electoral system later and the pro German king returned, even though Germany had been defeated. From that point on, not only did the great powers support Turkey, but the Greek high command decided to strike in the middle of the Anatolian desert for no reason.
Greater Greece should have been a thing, just like Greater Romania. Greeks were the majority in all areas claimed by the Megali Idea (except for Constantinople by itself, but if you counted it as part of its wider region of Eastern Thrace (European Turkey) it still was majority Greek) and they had to be ETHNICALLY CLEANSED and exterminated in the millions for Turkey to come into power.
Arrogance and incompetent politicians are two completely different things. Greater Greece was not arrogant, it was very much deserved. But the wrong people came to power at the wrong time.
@@Kostas_Pro69 both us and the entente are to blame. It was a complete shit show.
It was not the fault of economy back in 1922, but political polarisation. With Venizelos as the head of the country, Greece was able to sustain itself from foreign loans and funds (primarly by Britain and France). Upon Venizelos' defeat in the elections and the restoration of the Germanophile Greek royalists, including the despised King Constantine I, Britain and France froze all of their accounts to the small country, leaving Greece economically isolated. The rest is history.
Are you entirely sure that the Marxist analysis is always correct. The state first came about due to the growth of human population and the agricultural revolution. As people lived closer together, they had to be more organized. This is how governments, and the state came about
Marx's BFF Engels explains in detail why thats the case in "The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State"
A well made video! To point out something - I literally have never met a Bulgarian who thought that bringing back the old lands would fix the national troubles and I know a lot of people from different circles of society. If anything it will only give our politicians more lands to mismanage. The marches which you are showing are a hand full of people with a skewed view of reality sadly. My humble opinion is that in order to achieve any form of unity on our dear heavenly Balkans, each country must first fix the core of its own problems that is currently taking hold.( In the Bulgarian case - general apathy of the population and the painfully tribalistic mindset of the average person.) Hopefully I've been noticing a positive change in the last few years since a lot of young people are getting educated on the topics of politics and oligarchy and the rise of independent medias. Keep up the good work! Живи и здрави!
Хаде да не се подмазваме на западната част от света или да се преструваме че хора като луков са били зли или каквито там глупости
@@Silver_Prussian не знам как реши ,че говоря за Луков... няма достатъчно сведения за вижданията му. Доколкото знаем може просто да се е "подмазвал" на немците като Борис 3ти , за да опази народа от беди. Говорих за хората, които го издигат в култ по някаква причина. За кви западняци говориш, тук сме основно балканци. Като имаш критика по мнението ми я отправи. Иначе коментари като твоите над път и под път
@@smilingjack9561 не е култ а просто изразение на мнение пред гъзолизници и хора от антифа. Марша не е само за него но като цяло за самата концепция за нацонализма и не е чесно да кажеш че Борис се е подмазвал, той е направил така, че страната ни да получи възможно най-повече за най-малка цена
@@Silver_Prussian да вървиш със запалени факли посряд нощ и да рецетираш ми изглежда доста култистко. Има много по-полезни начини да поддържаш национализма. Антифа е доста чуждо за нас движение, което няма как да просперира на балканите според мен. Подмазването си е нужен инструмент за всеки един умел политик управляващ малка и зависима държава. Важното е да е успешно и да носи просперитет, правейки го морално оправдано. Борис 3 и Тодор Живков например са го умели доста добре, за което мога да отдам чест. Нямам за намерение да обиждам Борис 3ти. Дори го смятам за един от най-умелите лидери, които сме имали, въпреки че няма капка българска кръв.
@@smilingjack9561 за антифа не си прав има един двама такива клупака и у нас дори и да не е разпространено ироничното е че те са по агресивни от така наречените фашисти срещу които те се ,,борят"
Brothers fighting brothers without realising they are being played if you cannot see it now then history will be repeated
Brothers don't ethnically cleanse regions of each other.
@@tupacandeazyefan sadly they do as the Balkan’s are an example
@@snoooppdoggydog5940 Or just accept the fact that they are not brothers. Give up on that thought, turn towards the future and try to at least be good neighbors for a start.
@@tupacandeazyefan but the fact is they are brothers? They are the same people (Yugoslav’s ) divided by religion and “nationality” but yeah hopefully the future turns out good
Please look at demographics of Yugoslavia and look at how many people considered themselves to be Yugoslavs. It was an experiment which could have turned out great but turned out very bad. Yugoslavia failed twice, both times in bloodshed.
But even if let's say we force the narrative that they are "the same" or brothers. Then Are Croats Serbs or are Serbs Croats? Because Yugoslavs are only a modern construct which as I said failed. The fact is that Slavs came to the Balkans and mixed with Illyrians and other people. So how do these brothers find common ground regarding their history?
You seem to not understand the Macedonian issue. As a Bulgarian i have no problem with them calling themselves Macedonians. The problem is that this country's is claiming Bulgarian history. Such as the VMRO, hundreds of historical fugues, tsars, saints and scrollers who identified themselves as Bulgarian. I have no problem with the new Macedonia nation and their a free to forge their own history. But claiming historical Bulgarian figure such as the VMRO organization who shot ur king Alexander in Marsilia reveals a deep hypocrisy in those people. Macedonia needs to decide are they going to be a new country or will they continue to prais Bulgarian history figures and culture who we have praised since before their country was created.
This not the point of the video 😕 it's like I want to hear what I want
Lamborghini Urus it is you who dosnt understand the point of my comment
Macos do that with Greek history as well. There's literally a statue of Alexander the Great in their capital city...
Sara Ristić-Todorović well I personally don't believe that the Greeks themselves have anything to do with ancient Greeks. Also Alexander was never Greek. He wasn't even a true Macedonian, since his mother was a barbarian which goes against Macedonian customs. Alexander was also never met to inherit Philips throne for that same reason. Many speculate that it was he and his mother the ones who ordered the assasinstion of Philip. But yeah... both the slavs on the Vardar river who are basically Bulgarians nor the greeks have any claim over Alexander. At least in my opinion.
They do that with Serbian history, saints, churches, revereed people too.
When you don't have an identity or history, you can just borrow the greatest hits of your now neighborhood countries 🤷
This reminds me of a quote i read in the manhua "Ravages of Time" (pharaphrased): "Loyalty (to a lord) is a method used by the powerful to make the common people sacrifice their lives to defend their interests"
Great video. As a student of fascism I have to congratulate you because you associated exactly the fundamental aspect of it that is present in other places and ideologies: ultranationalism. And you're right, ultranationalism isn't automatically fascism, which considers it to be a fundamental factor but not everything. It can, though, produce the same outcomes as fascism. Great dismantling you did of the ultranationalist hollowness, in discourse and in practice.
The division between Croats and Serbs is sad to see
There would be none or minor if they did not kill 700 000 Serbs, Jews, Roma and even their own people (90% of that number was Serbs, but regardless all victims are the same) in WW2 and expelled 250 000 Serbs in 90's.
Personally I can't go over that, because they still keep lowering the numbers or straight up denying the fact that it happened, and they did not prosecute people responsible for war crimes in 90's, while Serbia did.
PS: I've forgotten to mention, worst of all, they had dedicated concentration camps for children and they've tortured people instead of "mercifully" killing them (at least).
Their problem is that they are still a Nazi controlled state and a lot of them are openly anti-Serb.
Why, Croats are Croats, Serbs are Serbs, like Russians and Poles, we are good neigbors, everyone has their own state, we are not allowed to do big-state projects and it's like elsewhere, Idk why somebody have to be something what he isn t, why half world have to be one nations, one country, differences are positive, we should not all be the same.
@@milutinke and then there would be even less isues in the whole balkan area nowadays if it wasn't for the turks..
@@milutinke And it happened. What are the new generations supposed to do about it? Am I supposed to kneel down and beg for forgiveness for the rest of my life? Ofcourse not. Just like Serbs did genocides, so did Croats. Just like Croats did genocides, so did the Bosniaks. All of these were acts of retaliations for the spilled blood of ones nation. We have a direct comparison right above us, Germany and Poland. The things Germany did to Poland were horrific, but guess what? The people realize that the new generations have nothing to do with it and they are in good terms now. Blame the Balkan way of thinking, you hate me and I hate you, end of.
bro croats are croats and serbs are serbs people who love yugoslavia dont know a thing about nationality
1:45 Chad protester waves a hungarian flag at a bulgarian protest.
Me as a Croat and a part Serbian, i can agree to this. Nationalism is the highest in the balkans :/ and everyone i go i always end up seeing a painting of the Ustashe symbol on a wall or a swastika, i know that this is political, but it is what it is. Me who lives in Croatia can relate... (never saw a protest tho since i dont live in a capital city.
@@naysayer8052Stop downplaying the effect of this radical nationalism. I live in Switzerland, we also have drunk people yet they don’t draw swastikas on walls!
Location: Germany
The way this guy simplifies such a complex part of the world by describing the different sides as ppl with different flags with funny colors on them is amazing. I am an even bigger fan of the fact that he is from this very part of the world and speaks like he is some kind of San Fransisco college student sitting in his dorm with his che poster up discussing how to bring peace through marx.
Next video is going to be, how ethnicity is a social construct established by the tyrannical patriarchy, dominated by old white males 🤣🤣🤣 Neo-liberals ( read communist) are so predictable.
He lives in Germany, I think
@@FOLIPE No wonder he's a commie then.
I mean our nation are like more than 1000 years old with very complex history but f*ck that we are all the same apperantly like tbe whoel concept of multiculturalism is to actualy kill culture in time and mix them or replace them or even just erase them, becaue thoee who promote it claim that all cultures are precisous then why the hell do you wnat them to be in one place and enpose such policies on them to f*ck them up, all of the cultures in the world maneged to develop and become unique dew to being resiliant to others and their influence if you value the diversity of culture you wouldnt try to mix them or force them to be in one plqce where there will be inevitable a conflict, like i can see the simularity between me and a serb or a croat but how am i simular or the sme witha turk or gypsy, like the only time where this concept of multshitiness will work is if the people are simular in history and culture and even then it will not last forever like the attemp of the polish to polishize the parts of belarus and ukraine they gained after ww1.
This is due to ignorance of the history. For instance, if we just look notorious Serbs and Croats. Serbs love Russians, they helped them liberated of Ottomans. They they thought they would liberate other, confused Serbs (19th century Srbi svi i svuda, Karadzic), from Austro-Hungarian Empire. Croats(and Hungarians) got liberated from Ottomans due to allience with Habsburgs, Poles, and well, Venice and Spain helped (well, if not for Venice, Ottoman client state Ragusa gaving Neum gave all passage that today would be Bosnia). So ofc they had that sentiment for Hungarians, Poles (that they loved still today) and to some extent, Germans. Anyhow. Serbian liberation was consider imprisoning in King's dictatorship, not liberation. Even Montenegrins thought that. And Serbs inmediatley recognized Montenegro, well, after Russia did that and told them. So, if one have complex inclination, sphere thing, West vs. East and Balkans will always be periphery not the core, those influences will be well, devided. And you will get, this, and it wasn't even that anyone wanted Yugoslavia to brooke, USA was tired of European sh**t by then, and Europe as always didn't know what to do. That is just communist propaganda. Any funny how he doesn't know about ethnic cleansing in italians in Dalmatia and Istria, Germans and Hungarians in Voivodina, like Yugoslavia was made (up) in the war. Who fought for Yugoslavia? My family did that for liberation, first from fasist Italu, then from Usatshe/Nazi. Speaking the similar language doesn't make people the same. Or Chile should be in the same state like Spain? So it is complex.
And I just wanna say as Serb i respect other Balkan countries
One can actively oppose multiculturalism in the Balkans WITHOUT upholding any of the historical justifications of the various irredentist movements found throughout the Balkans. In particular, one can acknowledge that diversity of ethnicity, religion, culture, and language in general are sources of tension, division, and conflict.
Therefore, one can support an equitable ethnic partition of the Balkans not in the grounds of some grandiose moral or metaphysical argument, not on presuppositions of “superiority,” but on the grounds that (on average) every distinct people will be better off if they have their own corner of the world.
You won’t ever be able to make completely ethnically homogenous nations without genocide or displacement, and either of those two options would create further tensions. To try and achieve a more ethnically pure state but failing would result in more ethnic tensions, as perhaps you give away some of the territories with the most ethnic minorities, and take territories with more of “your own people”, but you would still have ethnic minorities in your nation, and more tension would be caused from that due to the fact you now base your nation’s identity on ethnicity. Even if you succeed and achieve an ethnically pure state, as I said this could only be achieved through violent means, which would create tensions with your countries, as they would want revenge for land they may perceive as theirs and their people which you have harmed. This would also cause your country to stagnate due to lack of immigration and healthy relationships with your neighbours.
Personally, with all this, I understand there are difficulties, especially in countries outside of my own, but I see the solution is to embrace multiculturalism and attempt to eradicate those ethnic tensions- I’m not saying doing so is an easy thing, of course not, but the idea that multicultural states are inherently doomed to fail is ridiculous, the issue is being able to take that cultural diversity into the system and deal with it in a non-antagonistic way, and dealing with the contradictions responsibly
@@code8825 firat of all this is a far stretch with most of these ,,problems that could easily be avoided, second ever heard of population exchange ? Also no i will never embrace multiculturalism because this is not america and no we are not all the same we are not humans thats un insult to me and to anyone else, we are all unique in our own way this, leftist notion of equalitya and complete disregard for what makes us special has to be torn apart and eliminated
@@code8825 North Korea.
Agreed. There is no multiculturalism, that can co-exist. Only mutiethnic states, but like Switzerland, those that funtion, have the same cultural memes. Antient Romans knew this one.I
State is like a family(parents). We need them until a certain level of development, and it is best for both us and for them, to leave them behind gradually and peacefully, yet still commemorate and be grateful for the sacrifices they made for us in the past times.
And one more similarity, we can not choose, we are simply born into them.
Uniting ethnic lands can resolve conflicts and allow people to move forward without being in a state of constant conflict and fear for war. Kosovo's a good example where land swaps could resolve the tensions that prevent people from feeling secure on a daily basis.
From the beginning I had good opinion about you.You were explaining the Western imperialism in the Balkans,the real way the destruction of Yugoslavia happened and spoke only truth.And alltough you vere serb nationalist and I was bulgarian nationalist and our views on certain topics could of made furious debate,I respected you more.Because even if some nationalist lays claim on big chunk of my territory,or bashes my country and glorifies his,I will still respect him more than the one who bashes both my nation and his.Nowadays you've became no different from the other mainstream western channels which always depicts the balkans as the bad guys.I was sick that instead of someone looking into the claims of every balkan nation and giving his opinion on which is right and which is wrong,they just state every claim is wrong and useless.And whereas in the first option we can actually have conversation and solve the problem,in the second,in which every claim is wrong,no one gets satisfied and its literally the most dissapointing for all parties.Let me give you an example.Since you know history,maybe you know how the people of North Macedonia are actually bulgarians,but nowadays instead of my nation being united and strong,its devided and macedonians hate us.They are taught in schools that they have nothing to do with us and we are tatars,they are lied that Alexander the great is from their people and change history as they like.And all of that happens while the west is growing and becoming stronger. Tell me is it right to devide a nation in 2 forcefully and create in one of the states artificial language and taught them in schools to basically hate themseles(Bulgarians) and steal greek history?And is it wrong if I want all of this Communist propaganda to get some light and the truth get known and my nation reunited again?Rather than having conversations about it and in the end getting truth to triuph and get together and possibly reunite,we are just told that we are all scums and our dreams of greater nation are useless.Thats why the balkans will be always dissunited and against each other,avoiding to talk about their different views of greater selfs and who is right for what,rather if someone makes a video of this it will be some neutral pacifistic shit,that will satisfy no one.Spain doesnt give Catalonia independence,even if they are different people and just 10% of the land,Britain doesnt give independence to Scotland even if they are different people.But here in the Balkans for some reason there are 3 Serbian states,2 Croatian states,2 Albanian states,2 Greek states,2 Bulgarian states and 2 Romanian states.And we are asking ourselves then why we are dissunited??!!And you did the same thing when you talked about the ancient counterparts of the modern balkan states,again dissatisfying all sides by claiming that no modern balkan nation has ancient ancestor,which is bullshit- ex Yugoslavia and Albania are descendants of the Illyrians,Bulgarians are descendants of Thracians,Romanians of Dacians and Greeks of the Hellenes.Even if you look to ancient balkan map and one in the cold war,the borders seem the same,even with 2000years difference.
Im telling you this,you can be really ,,based'''in my eyes and many others if you spoke the truth,even if it hurt someone.Talking real shit about the different Balkan nations claims,which no one for now does,rather than just say we are obsessed or some shit,talking real about the US imperialism and the fall of Yugoslavia and talking real about why socialism is the only hope for ending slavery.
respect from a serb. He doesnt understand. Montenegro is pure serbian state, now is not the time to hate on his own country. Same with you bulgarians, you lost macedonian people, same brainwashing in bosniaks and montegrins.
@@CODELIRIOUS-sy8xz Montenegro is not Serbian, just like us Macedonians are not Bulgarians. Let us live in peace you depressed bullies.
We hate you because you don't want to acknowledge our existence, history and culture. Once you do, we can talk about the rest and grow to be good partners. But until then, only hate towards you will prevail here.
We only hate you guys because of your government at the moment with every bullshit policy to undermine our country to enter the EU and against anything we stand for and that most of you are just nationalists not because they teach us in school that we don't have any connection and that we're different but more of just general hate online,media and government policies from the Bulgarian administration that takes a huge shit on us when we try to join the eu.
mostly historic betrayal in the region and forced wars with disunity, population replacement to "please" the other ethnic countries around us, and rarely any sympathy and just propaganda hurt these relations to you.
I agree, it's sad that this channel lost its soul
Kosovo Albanian politician Adem Demaci had a great idea back in 1993.. Serbia with Kosovo to change name to Balkania. I still support an idea for countries to change names to geographical features rather than to be named after nations. Would really like to live peacefully with my neighbors and brothers
Offtopic: 🚁 goes 9:11
The foundation of society is social trust. That doesn't mean a multicultural society can't flourish, but there needs to be a baseline of values that everyone can agree to, and bigotry must be actively repressed.
Ironic quotes from Mussolini also cause he fled Italy to avoid military service
Please, Cover the rampant Tobacco addiction in the Balkans.
It is no worse then in Spain
"They are not there to protect anything" man you said that as if cultural and ethnic genocide hasn't happened in the last few generations in a 'certain' part of Europe.
Bet the Armenians didn't wish they had a larger army when the Turks subjugated them.
You painted the concept of a military as if it solely serves the interests of the capitalist elite. Then I ask, what if there was no military? People throughout history have always fought each other for land and resources, even when states didn't exist. If you remove the military you would remove the only thing that deters others to invade and start a war.
Yes it would be great if everyone could live in peace without needing armies and weapons at all but when did humans ever do that? Ignoring human nature creates utopian ideologies.
Edit: I mention the military as this part stood out to me but obviously the same goes for the state. I don't think a society can function without it in some form.
He is brainwashed and fell head first in marxist dogma. That is pretty much it
@@nihil4361 yeah, he on some cringe commie shi
He didnt argue for no state if anything, realistic part of this video is about some sore of confederation. Unity through interest.
Seems to me like nationalism and irridentism are portrayed here in a caricatural manner.
They are a caricature in themselves, there is no other way to portray them
0:30 We don't claim Thessaloniki only the northern part, we don't claim Constantinople as our ethnic/historical boarders either.
i mean every time i watch your videos i feel like i watch a high budget documentary like your voice suits these type of videos
Amazing and educative video as always. I think you should cover ,, biggest patriots" in 20th century and their ideas since many people love them to this day for some reason (I'm talking about Tuđman Alija and Sloba)
You need to take Alija out of that. He and Gligorov were the last ones still clinging to Yugoslavia when everyone else gave up on it.
@@Aboleo80 Sorry but WTF? Alija was against Yugoslavia since his youth because he was muslim fascist in WWII. He was in prison twice (first after the war and second during 70s) for his war crimes and hate speech. He wasnt active in politics until 1991 so he couldn't even try to save Yugoslavia. Also Milošević offered him to stay with him and to be president of Bosnia republic within SR Yugoslavia but he rejected instantly. He is nothing better than Tuđman and Milošević since they all sacrificed their nation and homeland for luxury.
@@Aboleo80 PS. Gligotov was good politician. The last ones who actually tried to save Yugoslavia were Stipe Šuvar and Ante Marković btw.
alija was againt communism but out of all the presidents at that time he was the last one to go to war and to attempt to arm his people. its why bosniaks were slaughtered. he even said it himself that the bosniaks should not get invovled in the beother war between croats and serbs but croats and serbs had their plans set in motion. he was a shitty leader especially war time. he was an old man going up against pros.
@@smrdljivivlah5879 i said everything that needs said in the last comment. He sacrificed his people for his own ass in the same way Tudman and Sloba did. He wanted to create muslim only Bosnia. Prove for that is the fact that he wanted to cut rights for Serbs and Croats as much as possible. Every nation was slaughtered back than because of evil politicans and all of them are guilty for that
I love your videos keep up the good work👍
Ohh and what do you think about the 90's croatian president franjo tuđman and 90's bosnian president alija izedbegović
He clearly thinks they were just corrupt politicians working under the greater forces
tudjman was a racist especially to muslims. there is public data to confirm that. alija was a dumbass who had no idea how to lead especially during war
@@moriarty178
Sure. Milosevic fully throttling proto-Duginist neonazi 3rd way approach, Tudjman delivering a bear to tie up Croats to European Aryan racial mythology 160 years later and Alija making a turbo caliphate? That is a joke.
I completely agree with your views on this matter. Great video 👏
You ridicule nationalism yet promote class war.
Yep. He believes is some fairytale utopias described by Marx, achieved after a violent revolution.
We had them already. It was so perfect that millions of people died and warped the mind of generations.
Not again. Not in a million years.
@@wouldnt_you_like_to_know let me guess it's one of those that will state "this wasn't real gommunism, real gommunism hasn't been tried yet". Unbelievable how gullible some people are. It's the political equivalent of chasing the dragon.
nationalism is cringe and class war is based, that's the difference
@@KekusMagnus you are just saying that killing in the name of the class is more justified than killing in the name of the nation.
Both are dead wrong.
@@wouldnt_you_like_to_know Class war is not a choice, capitalists are exploiting everyone they can at any given time. It is happening wether you like it or not, the point is to fight back. Besides, people can change social classes but they can't change their ethnicity
As a Belgian I do not come from the Balkans but I still witness ethnonationalism.
On the other hand, it is not Belgian nationalism but French and Dutch nationalism which either as foreigners consider us as a legitimate part of their nations (for linguistic and/or historical reasons) or as Belgians consider our country as an aberration of history that needs to be "corrected".
As a patriot I find it sad that it has come to this, that even our politicians have ended up dividing us in a ridiculous way only by the language, forgetting all our common culture, all our common history. I hope it won't end in war, I hope they won't divide us and that we can continue to live together.
Theyre idiots you clearly belong to Germany xD
That reminds me of the situation in Bosnia. People living there forget that they have a common history, culture, language/accent, etc. A lot of Serbs in Bosnia have been brainwashed into thinking that Serbia is the epitome for a Serb, they forget that the history of Serbs in Bosnia is different to the history of Serbs in Serbia, Heck, the history of Serbs in Vojvodina and Serbs in Kosovo is different, and they're just provinces of Serbia. Same goes for Croats who assimilate into Croatia, forgetting their Bosnian roots. It's sad that people forget where they come from, and feed into the paranoia that they're not welcome there anymore. They'd rather see Bosnia divided into an unrecognisable form than attempt to co-exist. I don't have anything against Muslims/Bosniaks, but them being the only ones who defend Bosnia as a whole, along with Serbs and Croats willingly abandoning/tearing it up, means that Serb and Croat history in significant parts of Bosnia is slowly being erased. For example, my family is from Zenica, which is currently a part of the federation entity. If Republika Srpska seceded, it would mean that my family and other Serbs who are originally from there, would no longer have ties to Zenica. That's just sad. I mean, we kind of already don't, but the official separation of the 2 would be the final nail in the coffin. Serbs and Croats leaving, would also make Bosnia look like a majority Islamic state. Again, nothing against Muslims, but Bosnia has historically been multicultural, specifically in terms of religion.
@@sararistictodorovic2100 What Bosniaks believe in before the Ottomans came in?
@@cakeisyummy5755 They were either Krstjani, Orthodox Christian (Serb), or Catholic (Croat).
@@sararistictodorovic2100 What are "Krstjani" and How are they different from Orthodox Christians and Catholics?
In a multi-ethnic state, one will always come to dominate the other, and it will create resentment. I live in Belgium so I can speak of the subject. It is not impossible, however it can only work when each entity has maximum regional and cultural autonomy, in a federation or better confederation. The Swiss are the best example to follow. Personally I wouldn't even mind a confederated Benelux, but if and only if we have this maximum cultural/regional autonomy and share on a national level economy/infrastructure/army each as equal members of the federation. The Swiss system is the only way it can work. Now of course, the more members of the federation the more complex it will be. An entity like Belgium with 2 main members and a German minority, is more than enough already.
Multi-ethnic state has never worked Serbia knows this now and many others know this too, only stupid people blinded by ideology dont know this.
@@ira233 From what i've heard, In Iran, only around 55% of the Population is Ethnically Persian.
The rest are a variety of different Ethnicities.
Well, excuse me for wanting to live in a country where most people are the same ethnicity as me and speak the same language as me. Also excuse me for not wanting Moldovans to be destroyed by Russia and prefer if they unite with Romanians, since they are Romanians.
But I guess I will just drop everything in life and focus on studying Hungarian and Bulgarian, which are very easy and useful languages for me.
Could not have said this better in a million years
wow amazing you completely refused to even consider the point of the video
Well said. Very well said!
Way to miss the point
Romania is mainly Gypsy anyways nowadays
Podcast I love had a great line about the medieval Danishmend Turks, “sure, they’re an extortionist marauding band, but give them some religious legitimacy and some ritual bells and whistles, and you got yourself a state!”
Regarding the ruling bourgeois, I want you to tell me your opinion from the marxist view about this situation, my father has built a villa for tourism. He is in debt (don't worry, we will be getting out of it soon) and our family alone is too busy to take care of (clean) the villa sometimes, therefore he asks for anyone willing to help clean the house/villa and to be paid around 15€ hourly (it's a descent amount of money) from our village. My father also works, has a firefighting job but still he came to a position to temporarily ''hire'' someone to do a paid work which as I understood in marxist view is the dictatorship of bourgeois, so, is this situation I just mentioned anything related to some kind of ''dictatorship''?!
Dictatorship of the bourgeoisie applies to the class structure of a society, it doesn't really apply to anyone on an specific or on an individual level. In your example your father would be regarded as "petite-bourgeois", as he would be paying the worker a wage which is less than the full value of which he has created and your "father" would then be keeping the profit (i.e extracting the surpluss value). In terms of his tourist villa as he owns it as a buisness so it would be regarded as private property, where as his house that he lives in would be regarded as personal property. His job as a fire-fighter would just simply make him part of the general proleteriat as he is being employed by the state. urplus value created by the person he employs to create profit in which he pays the worker a wage which is less than the profit he created which he then keeps.
Don't get hung up on the word "Dictatorship", the modern interpretation of the word is completely different from what they used it to mean when the text were wrote
As a person who lives in balkans i totaly agree with everything in this video
I have to say, out of all the claims you've made, at 23:49, this statement is so wrong its really pathetic and hilarious. If you really think globalization hasn't homogenized the world and its cultures, i'd like to ask how the fuck we've come to communicate with each othrr in the english language, despite you or i not being from england itself.
I would ask you to speak to the indigenous people's of canada, the estonians, and the other many erased or erasing cultures around the world.
No way can you make this claim
The cultures of Indigenous peoples in Canada were not erased by multiculturalism: it was an ethnic and cultural genocide perpetuated by a White supremacist state in the pursuit of ethnic homogeneity. That is quite literally the opposite of multiculturalism at work
This is too simplistic. It's not always the poor fighting for the interests of the rich. Sometimes it's just people taking up arms against invading enemies to protect their family, home, and land.
Typical commie's rethoric.. This guy is laughable
I will stay on one point you made friend. You said "multiculturalism will not erase your culture". I live in Athens, Greece. I have walked many parts of the City and although many of its parts are now multicultural, no specific culture can be distinguished. Multiculturalism dors destroy cultures,in the sense that it sacrifices all of them for a bland one that is so not distinct that it can be adopted by all People. If you can go to any big City and find ethnic groups keeping alive their cultures I will admit you are right. But this is the truth. No Greeks in Germany are playing bouzouki anymore nor are distincted in between other Germans,to bring one example. They all have been assimilated. They lost their culture slowly,to the dominant bland culture that the west has nowadays. Anyone who disputes these observations is either in denial or has not paid attention to multiculturalisms effects on the cultures that merge because of it. It kills them. Of course there is a smaller number of People that keeps their culture alive in the far away countries that they have moved but it is more in a, lets say, museum like fashion. Keeping it alive so we can look at it, more than because its part of our way of Life
Your just racist and prejudices. The U.S. has everyone single person in the world here and you can tell who is who. Even the idea of an 'American' is still the number one thing to existe and new culture build like Chicano culture which came from mexican culture and both are still strong. The Italians have one of strongest ties to there culture and have also a new connection with the U.S and other people. Never have they lost their Italians culture. Same with the Russians. In Texas we have full German speaking small towns and the next town over will speak full spanish. Not to mention the native American population that still tries to keep their culture after European white people tried to eliminated them with disease. Muslims even stop trying to convince people and enjoy the multicultural. Another thing is that Europeans are practically alike and something smiling after 5000 years of living on the same contentent and you how it's becoming more like the U.S. which is a good thing because you will finally leave all your ignorant ideas in the past and make a better future.
If it works here, theirs no reason it doesn't work in Europe a place that has better education and ethics then the U.S.
@@mty5 But that’s the problem, Muslims in Europe keep causing trouble and don’t want to work together
People want to win relative to others groups. They don't want to do good enough. They want to see their in-group expanding and growing in relative power and influence, either through becoming greater in absolute terms or other groups becoming weaker in absolute terms, which is the same result really and desireable either way. That will never change, and people will always fight and die over this.
People's in group is not usually class, but nationality,ethnicity, religion, that type of thing.
In theory the in-group could be all humanity, but that is not likely unless aliens invade or something like that, at which point it will only be temporary, as once that menace leaves people will just narrow their ingroup again to the new level of competition.
This is just how life operates on this earth, as designed by evlutionary pressures to promote the survival and reproduction of that which is deemed as similar to you.
I really liked the analysis of fascism and nationalism, as well as the arguments about everyone's shared interests of food, shelter, security, etc.
However, I disagree with the hard left turn in the second half of the video. Solely focusing on elite exploitation misses the broader issue of human morality. There are plenty of parasites - exploiters, liars, cheaters - in all classes.
For example, my country - Bulgaria - was a communist dictatorship for 45 years. First of all, the elites were just as corrupt as now (if not even more so). Second, a LOT of workers put in the bare minimum at work and tried to game the system to get more for less at the expense of others, thus exploiting society for their own petty lower class gain.
yup... and this weird this video was created by somebody who experienced both socialism and yugoslavia experiment. that the end theres always gonna be people who try to exploit the others for their own personal gains. 1% of the population are psychopaths which means they do everything for themselves and can care less about others. usually those type of people will end up on the top cause they are good manipulators. now the question is would you rather those type of people have control over you in a capitalist of socialist system?
dude I get it that you are ex-Yugo centric, but still no mention to Greece? this video was a waste of oportunity...
Make some video about bulgarian occupation in Greece and Yugoslavia.
And how they oppressed the Macedonians in Pirin for decades
@@DacLMK and the behaviour of the BA in the Greece, and Yugoslavia at all.
@@DacLMK that didnt happen.Im so dissapointed at the level of ignorance brought to us by the great powers
@@AK911Edits It happened, and is still happening.
Then he'd have to make a video about the Serbian and the Greek occupation of Macedonia.
9:45 why there is a Vichy France flag in a Bulgarian manifestation ?
I'm not sure I want to know, but I suspect for the same reason someone waved the flag of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies at a fascist-led antivaxx mob attacking the biggest union's hq in Rome a few months ago.
That is a Bulgarian war flag. It is called "Samara Flag"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samara_flag
The question is why does Serbia or Russia have the French flag??
Because you always have to present for the Marshall, whether you're French, Bulgarian, Indian, Chinese, Indonesian, Filipino, Brazilian, Yankee, or even German.
@@dayanbalevski4446 No, it was clearly the Vichy France flag, (on 09:53 it can be perfectly seen).. "Striker" got the point, and now, if you know, answer the question and don't twist the facts, and if you don't know, just ignore him.
It's hardly just the Balkans. Most of the world has ethnonationalism. It's primarily the Americas that don't push it as much because of heavily mixed demographics but there has to be some context why that is. The Americas was mostly stolen from the natives by armed colonial imperialists only a few hundred years ago.
It sure is easy to get all righteous about the ills of ethnonationalism" when living in someone else's homeland. The funny thing is half of the people in the Americas still support ethnonationalism in what they see as their "real" homelands... in other parts of the world. Virtually all American Hungarians, American Jews, American Russians, American Poles, American Chinese, American Ukrainians, American Irish, et al. oppose ethnonationalism in America as minorities... but then many flip-flop when it comes to their "real" homelands abroad where they support ethnonationalism rather than purely citizenship-based model like in America.
Whether one supports ethnonationalism or not, one better be morally consistent about it or they are full of something warm and smelly.
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Sta komunizam uradi od coveka
I ja bi bio komunista da nisam pročitao Drezdenski kongres. Sve ovo bajno zvuči što on priča, ali po kojoj osnovi smo mi Srbi buržoazija koja treba da preda svoje teritorije susednim narodima? Citiram, “Eventualna prava srpskih radnika i seljaka nisu pominjana, već se srpskim radnicima i seljacima preporučuje da podrže pravo ugnjetenih naroda na samoopredeljenje” - Zašto Srbi ne treba da imaju prava? Da li smo mi superiorniji od ostalih nacija i treba nas uništiti?
National interests go hand and hand with the working class, and national identity is part of the identity of the working class. The capitalists only represent the interests of themselve, and the fact that they claim to do something under the flag of nationalism doesnt mean patriotism and nationalism are inherently capitalist
In my opinion, class identity goes hand and hand with national one
O look a national socialist
@@cellansmith5124 do you know what that means? Lol
Quite a marxist communist ideal and analysis. I believe it fits right the Balkan region because their states were unstable (not lasting much long), their nations and cultures are mixed throughout history. It doesn't fit anywhere else where, historically, the State lasted for centuries, the notion of nation and state is somewhat mixed. Marx' analysis is correct for the middle 1800s, but not its conclusion globally, it is unrealistic. Countries are nation-states, you need people, borders and functional government institutions to be named as such. States are essential to bring the nation together and to interact with other different groups. The marxist approach doesn't quite fit in my country, France, because we've been there for dozens of centuries. We're on an ongoing civilisation war against islamists, just like Lebanon was. On the other hand, balkans were often ruled by Turks and other people, leading to its multicultarlism that doesn't exists here.
maybe you outta read marx before you make a complete fool of yourself?
Don't sniff glue kids
You belive wrong. Why do you think it was so many wars? Due to Ottomans ofc. So you had, Ottomans islamic Bosniaks well Russians allies Serbs Orthodox, and Croats Catholics and Slovenian atheist from Austro-Hungarian Empire, western oriented. They because of that multiculturalism, East vs West, couldn't survive. And well, Germans, in the WW2. You probably know of that as France was attacked after Poland. And nation state is a product of bloody French revolution in the first place.
Its what happens when you mix Mediterranean hot blood with Slavic supremacy 😂
Another thought provocing content. This made me consider the political situation in Bulgaria. Currently we are ruled by a "west-driven" government, one of their goals being to establish healthier relations with Macedonia, by removing the veto and allowing them to join the EU, without complying to history related issues (oversimplified explanation). Meanwhile, a different super nationalist political party has gained major popularity, basically advertising themselves as an antidote to the western puppet rulers and fully capitalizing on this "Macedonia acceptance" conflict, knowing the general Bulgarian society has a soft spot for that.
The question is, is the current government really trying to go past the ethnonational scandals, in order to focus on more important topics, or are they merely another puppet government, part of the west's plan to further divide out nations?
ay thanks, i asked for this vieo some time ago!
Switzerland has three different languages: Swiss-German, French and Italian. And the nation functions wonderfully.
Because you are jewish state and only thinks about money
Reactionaries will just tell you that it's because they're all white Christian Europeans, but that is a great example of how people with differing cultures, denominations and languages can coexist.
Sure, but it is capitalistic state, and with pro western ideas. Guy just neglected what communism did- Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. Like in communism people starve and die of hunger. Fact. Also, people will never take a care or care of some state property but their own. That is natural. People won't be productive in some clientelistic bolchevique state service.
They have very high autonomy in their federation system and there does exist some friction between the language borders
Try having France, Italy and Germany acting as if French, Italian and German speaking Swiss are their natural national ofshoot.
It reminded me of Matrix. It is a prison you can not see or smell or feel or touch. It is the prison for your mind.
This one's a banger.
Sto volim sto si totalno odsečen od realnosti
Nek si mi ti prosvijetljen. Aj razguli.
@@BalkanOdyssey_ Ok prvo ti govoris o nekim argumentima koje niko ziv ne koristi "hrvatska bi bila dobra da nema srba" itd
@@user-tf1zn2td4r Pa druže jesi ti Hrvat kojim slučajem lol?
@@user-ep2my6bo2z zato s am i reko itd zato sto govori i obrnuto" da nema hrvata srbija bi uspela" sto je glupost koju niko nikada nije izgovorio
@@user-tf1zn2td4r Ahahaha, ma tebra moj, ti si taj koji si odsečen od stvarnosti, očigledno ti nikada nisi bio Četnik to da vidiš ili se praviš glupim, a veruj mi, takvih ljudi ima kolko' hoćeš, kao što bi se reklo, biti Četnik u Srbiji danas zahteva muda onoliko koliko je trebalo biti TItovac u Jugoslaviji, znači nimalo.
To negiranje očigledne nenaviže protiv Hrvata te ili pravi glupim to jest likom koji nije išao napolje, ili si ti apologet za takve stvari, a svi dobro znamo šta Delije zbore kada god je neka rabota vezana za Hrvatsku.
This is so stupid why do they say that multiculturalism doesn't work what about Belgium and Switzerland i don't see them exploding like Yugoslavia did.
Netherlands and French speaking part can't stand each other, it's a miracle it hasn't crumbled yet but that's probably because the headquarters of EU are there. And Switzerland is a non corrupted welathy democratic confederation so that's why it exists, you can't possibly compare it with a totally opposite country that was Yugoslavia.
@@moriarty178 To be honest that is true but you have to understand that it did not help that the US and other Nato ccuntries did give money to it's constituent to tear the federation apart from inside plus Papa Tito didn't did such a good part on exterminating groups like the Ustasha
Because they are the same culture, multilingual and multiethnic. Yugoslavia got wrong bases. Multiculturalism is failure trought Europe, just see France
@HL Well that's true
you should do a video about arkans tigers or about his life
Well f*ck. You sure gave me something to think about.
If you guys didn't backstuabed us, now the Balkan would be only Serbia and Bulgaria... 😏
Miki D the other way around . You backstabbed us and took ethnic Bulgarian land Vardar Macedonia . If u would have made a compromise and let us have it. 5 years later the habsburgs would have fallen and you would annaxed bosnia, Albania and Montenegro. There would have been no yugoslavia and just 2 Slavic orthodox countries. Serbia just needed to drop its pathetic claim on Macedonia which was based on nothing . The slavs on the Vardar river have always viewed themselves as Bulgarian.
Hahahhahahahsh. And guy literary talked against chauvinism and nationalism.
Most of the bulgarian scenes he shows are of ''Lukov march'' which is a fascist movement but on their meetings there a are less than 2 thousand people. So don't think bulgarians generally are fascists.
0:30 what about greater bosnia map?
That'd just be B&H, Sanđak, and some place that i'm forgetting about.
@@cakeisyummy5755 true
The nationalist idea of joining Sandak region to BiH are completely unpopular and historically insignificant to mention in comparison to that of the other sides.. I am happy he did not mention it.
@@FromthisInstanceOn you’re every bosniaks dušman then. you think kosovo half of bosnia or montenegro are likely? haha not without a war!
@@keno2285 ako ne znas pisati na engleskim reci mi na bosanskim, ne razumijem sta hoces da kazes? sta treba znaciti "ou think kosovo half of bosnia or montenegro are likely?"
So what is the best way to remove the majority of humans natural urge towards religiosity and tribalism as social animals? Do you suppose some sort of mind control? Authoritarianism? Both? And how would your version be better than anyone else’s failed attempts from the present and the past? Can i please have an example. Thank you.
Could you do one positive video? I am curious about Balkan authors and what is the best literature in there. Peace ✌ ☮ 🕊 🏳 ✌!
Objectively there is not an international working class. Class struggle develops in nation states and cultural ecumene.
thank you for this video
I was playing clash royale and clicked your vid by accident because of push notification and now i lost trophies...hope you're happy now :(
Amazing video as always great work!!
Thank you!
Liked this video until it started spouting quotes from Marx and Engels. Seriously, if there is any ideology worse than Fascism, it’s the one Marx & Engels originated. I have no problem with nationalism or nation states, as long as they respect their neighbours and treat their minorities well.
The creator of these videos is literally an open marxist
Yep. Modern capitalism demands political stability, open trade, and multinational cooperation. And yet, he attributes the blame for Balkan ethnonationalism to capitalism, despite it being the very thing preventing a capitalist system from blooming. A very stupid and backwards take.
@@phoenix5054 yes, a decentralized market economy with a multitude of independent economic actors is the best guarantor for free citizens not subjugated by a strong state.
@@phoenix5054 Capitalism is not a conscious self-serving system, it goes against itself all the time, there is nothing contradictory in what he says. Promoting capitalism in any way is the only backwards take here.
@@KekusMagnus Yeah? Can you explain how Balkan nationalism and divisions serve capitalism then?
Step one: unite all people in one ethno-state
Step two: sell everything that remains of the economy
Step three: watch ypur people become slaves and profit
Did I get this right?
Ти опишуваш и обработуваш вакви озбилни теми (што скоро никад не се спомнуваат) на многу инталигентен начин. Го почутивам тоа. Браво и само така!
Hvala ti!
Serbs ignored a genocide committed against their people during WW2 and gave up a huge part of their territory (Macedonia, Montenegro, Vojvodina and Kosovo as aoutonomous provinces) coming into Yugoslavia in the name of "brotherhood and unity". What did Croats and Bosniaks give up for the sake of Yugoslavia? Is giving up their Ustasha ideology and joining the partisans after practically losing the war their sacrifice?
The SANU memorandum actually sums up pretty well why Yugoslavia was least beneficial for Serbs. But other ethnicities did not agree with these standpoints, so the memorandum actually worked as a catalyst for the breakup of Yugoslavia. When the nations of a country can not agree on such things, there is no point in upholding a federation under the slogan of "brotherhood and unity".
Serbs actually always have been the nation most wishing for a unity of Yugoslav people, while Croats were not really inclined and Bosniaks did not even exist as a nation. It's a one-sided love affair and Serbs tbh are stupid for not learning a fucking lesson. The above stated pretty much shows how much Serbs wanted Yugoslavia, while Croats probably would have loved to stay with Austria-Hungary if they could have. Yugoslavia has failed twice and both times it ended in ethnic cleansing and many lives on all sides being lost. This searching for an explanation as to why it does not work is pointless and what's worst is that it most of the time goes hand in hand with fantasies of how Yugoslavia could work again. Forget about that Yugonostalgic bullshit. Look at how well BiH is doing, where people are forced to live in the same country. Even Bosniaks only want BiH because of the territory they want to claim, not because they love Serbs and Croats and think they are good neighbors and co-citizens.
I don't want to act like the Croatian perspective does not exist, I understand why they view many elements of Yugoslavia as conquering or Serbian imperialism.
That being said, I actually took the opposite political path that you did Balkan Odyssey. I used to be pro-Yugoslavian, pro-Titoist etc.. But I realized that Yugoslavia always was carried by Serbs and on their expense. As I said, a one-sided love affair. So let's once and for all accept it doesn't work. And I actually wish history had taken different turns and there could be a powerful Yugoslavia and a united Yugoslavian nation. On the examples of Montenegro and Bosniaks one can see how history can be changed an manipulated, making the Kotromanic dynasty ethnically Bosnian and the Petrovic dynasty ethnically Montenegrin. While I have a problem with that, I would not have a problem with a shared Yugoslavian history and identity which all Yugoslavs could be proud of. This is basically no different from what Germans are today. But that's a fantasy and we have to accept the turns history took.
Bosnia, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia all are worse nowdays than they were at Tito times, only Kosovë is at a better state than they were in Yugoslav times. What does that tell you? Yugoslavia was always destined to get destroyed. You can coexist with multi ethnicities. At Yugoslav times there were 2 Ethnicities. Albanians and Slavs. Slavs were differed by Religion.
@@Shqiptar6 The only point in which Kosovo (speaking from the Albanian point of view) is better off is that you now have an illegal independent state and a Bill Clinton statue you can jerk off to and cheap land you can build a holiday house on to visit from Switzerland or Germany twice a year.
And that says it all, you are so well off that Albanians are so desperate to leave Kosovo, that they are even impersonating Syrian refugees in order to enter Germany.
Speaking about living stanndards, Kosovo Albanians in the time of Yugoslavia had it better than Albanians in Albania and many Albanians will confirm this! But for Albanians independence has always been more important than a standard of living.
Of course Bosnia existed and Serbs were a huge part of it. Bosnia was the only country wich wanted to be independent from Konstantinopel and Rome in de middle ages. Bosnia shocked the Europe by wanting to do a Bosnian Church independent from the mighty Catholic and Orthodox power. This was one of the most heroic acts and was betrayed by Orthodox and Catholic Slavs! Bosnia made Catholics and Orthodox unite against Bosnia, thats how heroic those Bosnian Slavs were! Bosnia is one of the most heroic acts of the middle ages in the Balkans!
@@tupacandeazyefan they had better standarts? How can you talk about Albanias living standarts in the communist times? First, you aren't Albanian that lived there, second your father/mother didn't live there, third you aren't Albanian, fourth Albanias HDI was never calculated in communist times. So you can't talk about it. In the Yugoslav times Albanians had a good living standart? We weren't allowed to go to school's (some areas of Kosovë) in my home village Yugoslav Police destroyed Albanian Books, burned down old Albanian institutions, mosques, and even some churches ( which Serbians claim to be Historically speaking Serbian).
Nowdays Kosovë is a country that is rising if you want to hear it or not. Our Politicians are pretty wank if you ask me, but that is your own choice of thinking. You can't deny that Albanians were treated like scum in Yugoslavia. Only Albanians who were more Serbian than Serbs ( Albanians who cooperated with Serbian Paramilitary etc ) had a good living standart. Stop talking about things you haven't experienced or heard about.
While you are talking about how Albanians are leaving Kosovë, I want to ask you why Serbias population is one of the most decreasing ones in Europe? Why is that the case?
You Serbians should move on with your sickening ape state of mind. Stop trying to claim a piece you never had. You should concentrate to look at your problems in Bosnia I Herzegovina
@@Shqiptar6 Albanians were not treated like scum, they had an autonomous province and a) had more rights than Serbs have today in Kosovo and b) had better standards than Albanians at the time had in Albania.
The problem was that Albanians did not want to participate in Yugoslavian society. Albanians who wanted to get educated had every opportunity to finish university. But you guys rather stayed in your own world and plotted against the country.
Again, you ethnically cleansed your country of Serbs, while Albanians can peacefully live in Serbia. Tells us everything about who has the mind of an ape
Communism sounds so depressing.
Well, great job at debunking and deconstructing a strawman of nationalism. I am proud to say, that before this video I was an anti-communist and a nationalist. After this video, I still am 👍 cheers.
Nationalism is kinda cringe 😬
Nervias me
i appreciate the video, i strongly disagree with quite a lot of things you've said, but i agree that irredentism and nationalism with the goal of destroying that which is other is gross and must be stopped
Odlican sadrzaj kao i obicno.
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Odlicno 💩💩💩
Great video!
You have failed to mention that Serbians have been the ones who acted on their nationalistic ideas by committing genocide. The other ethnic groups have adopted nationalism in attempt to defend their families from Serbian criminal army and Serbian paramilitary. If the difference is not acknowledged the Balkans will continue to have wars.
I mean, the croats didn't massacre Serbs? Neither the Bosniaks. 🤡
Ye ok then, let's not forget that the only reason why there are Muslim Serbs and Croatians, is because of the mass genocide committed by the Ottomans that lasted hundreds of years, not months....hey brother either switch back to your original way whether it was catholic or orthodox, or don't complain about the treatment you are now receiving in return .....
@@bucobuco7226 so you are admitting that the non-Serbian ethnic populations were targeted because of their religion. You are not even a religious person because all religions teach that we are all children of god. You are using the religious differences as an excuse to kill other humans that don’t belong in your ethnic group. You think your ethnic group is better than the others. You have lost your humanity. 🤮
Look up Jasenovac
How dare you questioning the Orthodox Israelite mythology of Serbs the Lazar Chosen People and piss on their Christian victimhood 😂
Good video but I will say this, Serbs fought for Yugoslavia, a multicultural country where we the majority weren’t as well represented in govt office as the others. Seems that we wanted to keep everyone together while other peoples want to separate. Genuinely hard to find Serbs who hated yuga
Seems not. Kučan and Milošević happily dissolved Yugoslavia. There is even a photo.
Of course when it was camouflaged as Greater Serbia after 1983.
This channel used to be so good man... what happened?
Marx
he grew out of his childish nationalist phase, perhaps you should too
@Yoyoyo Nationalism is not a tool against globalism, it just weakens countries
@@KekusMagnus id rather not be a commie.
@@vatri357 Yes because it's very communist to not hate people.
The nation is like your home, your family. You may not like it here, do not love it's culture or her people, even embarrassed by being part of it. But it is your home no less. And just because you have good will, it would be dangerously naive the other side feels the same. Just my two cents.
Yugoslavia was a serbian nationalistic project.
@Vanja Arsoski What Tito was doesn't change the fact that Yugoslavia was a serbian attempt to create a serbian empire.
Interestingly this video spends most of the time promoting old communistic ideas, bravely smashing and blaming for everything the eval, militaristic capitalism but somehow never mentions Russia (mind that the video is from 12 of Feb 2022). Russia that was and still is a primary factor for the ethnonationalism and irredentism on the Balkans.
What does this tells about the authors of the video?
Russia is irrelevant compared to the influence of the USA, but is an oligarchic capitalist abberation all the same.
Are you implying Russia is not a militaristic capitalist power?
Can this video be any more condescending? The Balkans are a lot more complex than pure hatred for the other. The fact that Great Powers play against each other and use minor nations for proxy wars and influence. How they completely disregard national heritage and start wars for false promises of unity or their own small Balkan version of an empire. This video is one of the most preachy shit I have heard.
Ultra nationalism is dumb, but when one studies history, it's easy to pinpoint which nations were fighting for unification with their people and which were for expansionist imperialism (namely Serbia). Most other nations simply wanted unity and independence, because for centuries they were occupied by foreign backwater nations like Ottomans and Austria-Hungary.
They want their chance of self determination and enlightenment. Then there are the scars of war, because during the Balkan conflicts, most nations were near their golden age.
Then we have videos like this where people ignore history and context and condescendingly slap a fascist label and write off everything.
Not saying the Balkan nations are right, but there is a reason for their behavior. Also the only nation that is irredentist these days is Serbia with their obsession with land that is not populated by their own (Kosovo), but historically that's what Serbia always did, be it Albanians in Kosovo, Bulgarians in Macedonia, Bosnians in Bosna and Croatians. Lumping in the entire Balkan nations as being like Serbia is disingenuous and false.
Actually, not all hated Austro Hungarian Empire. Croats lived hapily with Hungarian. Habsburgs helped to got free of Ottomans.
Greater Hungary and megali idea exists hey why weren't invited to the party
Hungary isn't Balkan but idk about Greece
@@gnas1897 Greece is Balkan, they just owe their entire Ass to Germany after taking out a few small Loans of 100 Billion Euros each.
"Multiculturalism and internationalism will not erase your national identity" sure man tell that to Londoners oh wait they are gone.. And in their place, you have the London independence movement and it's definitely not led by the natives :)
what do you mean 9 million Londoners are still there ?
@@KC-pf9hl Sure they are and they are as english as they get they love their English culture and preserve it. Cockney accent and everything lol
@@agronacilius4584 Same thing for Paris.I visited both cities numerous times.Both of them sadly do not represent anything anymore.Not just their countries,culture and way of life.
@@KC-pf9hl The level of willing ignorance among the left is amazing the fact that you are willing to go so far with your bushit just so you don't offend anyone is mindblowing.
@@temistogen, of course, they don't what did they expect bring in people who have nothing to do with your history and culture and they will willingly forget their own origins and become part of your nation. Total idiocy.
Good video .do a story of what happened to yugo army after break up , who took what ,who had what in there territory already,, b interesting.?..