84. DIY DREAM Motor Sailor [Project Boat Full Tour] | Learning the Lines
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- We're back at the request of our viewers with another big old boat tour! This time we tour a 1985 Cheoy Lee 43, a sailboat that Randi and I have been wanting to tour for some time now. We really like the design of this yacht and believe it to have a lot of potential as a full-time live aboard cruiser for a couple or a small family. This particular boat is the single-masted cutter-rigged model, as opposed to the more common ketch rig.
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$119,000 US... per their yachtworld ad... nice boat, sure... but the condition of this yacht is not worth 119k...
Appreciate the walkthrough tho
Not even close, imho, as much rework needs done
pretty sur if you do it right paid cash you can get it for at least 20% of the price they ask
Yup, she’s an old movie star that has been all over the world for sure. Just like old movie stars it takes a lot of money and love to get them ready preform.
I’ll bet $200K would barely scratch the surface towards getting her back to her glory days. I saw pealing paint on the headliner in several places. Deck is likely mushy in a few spots. And who knows what’s going on with the hull.
Hey guys! We LIVE ON a Cheoy Lee 41 and will be sailing around the world soon. If you want more information on Cheoy Lee Yacht's feel free to reach out, as there is a lot of history behind them. Did you know that when the boats were being built, there was one craftsman per boat that would build the interior while living aboard with his family? We are still in contact with the old yards and will be making a video on the history soon. Cheers ~
$119,000 for this is about $75,000 too much! It needs to be completely renovated.
Fully agree
Yodd agrees......
Todd Abrahamsson
2 months ago
I have owned a Boatyard/ Marina for years and am very in tune as to the amount of work this boat will need. I am astounded by the price tag on this boat. I guess the owner doesn’t want to sell.
I would place a value on this vessel at approximately 20 K. And god bless the person who purchases her. They better know what they are in for.
I think the seller will need to accept $10k or less ... it needs a complete rebuild ... many of the ports and hatches are leaking and all the mechanicals, and cosmetically its a mess ... sad state of disrepair ... im not familiar with how this Cheoy Lee hull is constructed however based on the neglect above the water I can imagine below the waterline is a soggy mess
I like the boat tours, it would have been nice to know how much he was asking for this boat.......I'm Just sayin.....
119k USD
yay Randi is back ;)
I do enjoy the boat tours, so please do more if you both are able.
cheers
Last week I thoroughly examined a 1980 Cheoy Lee 48 designed by Robert Perry. Beautiful sheer line and wonderful interior - but the build quality was awful! The hull was constructed of just matt, no woven roving, so it is not nearly as strong as it should be. The hull thickness just above the turn of the keel was 5/8" - on the light side - especially considering there was no woven roving in the layup. The bulkheads were lightly tabbed to the hull with one layer of six inch wide roving (not enough) and the deck was attached solely at the hull/deck flange - was not tabbed to the bulkheads - a serious oversight. The deck sole and cabin sides were 1/4" thick layup of matt; again, no woven roving for strength. The forward deck was glassed to 1/2' plywood strips with one layer of 2 ounce matt glassed on the bottom for a sandwich; again, inadequate! The aft part of the deck and cabin top/sides had no matt on the bottom at all, just bare plywood, so there was no sandwich at all. Wiring and plumbing was chaotic. All in all, a very poorly built boat that depended on the headliner to hide the defects. I understand the early Cheoy Lee Pedrick designed boats in 1981 also were made of pure matt with no woven roving. It seems prudent to me to avoid Cheoy Lee boats made in the early eighties and make sure your surveyor closely examines a thru-hull hole to check the layup. And definitely some of the headliner needs to come down to see if the deck is properly cored and glassed both sides.
I have owned a Boatyard/ Marina for years and am very in tune as to the amount of work this boat will need. I am astounded by the price tag on this boat. I guess the owner doesn’t want to sell.
I would place a value on this vessel at approximately 20 K. And god bless the person who purchases her. They better know what they are in for.
Boats have maybe 5x more maintenance than houses, right?
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Can just see people on that aft deck in rough sea's. They will end up overboard !
Definitely a Motor Sailor with 135 HP motor.
I'm a sucker for brightwork! All that varnish draws me in. AND, as long as it's not mildew, I love the smell of an old boat. (Topsides probably "Gluvit" and sand...too bad because teak is so much more attractive. Easy to maintain, too, if one keeps up with it!) Thanks for the show - Definitely dredges up fond memories!
You're welcome! Thanks for the comment.
Looks like a nice boat! Although it's maybe a bit more a motor yacht with a sail rather than a sailing yacht with a motor...
Definitely a motor-sailor. Still a really cool design.
That may be why I like this boat so much, she seems much more sturdy and "shiplike", able to go anywhere. Gonna do a little more research on this type.
Maybe an asking price and anything we should look for when looking at this/that type of boat should be tossed out there if yall do this again. Really hope you do!! Thanks!!!
cheoy lee boats can be very nice, but this one i don't like. too ?? fusy(?).
Check out SV Avocet's... its a Cheoy Lee 41.
Free would be too expensive for this piece of crap.....
Typical broker listing, ZERO effort to clean or maintain the vessel....
Love the Cheoy Lee's
Check out SV Avocet channel, it has great sailing and refitting videos of their 41' Cheoy Lee!
If you're not careful, you're going to become boat flippers!
Love these boat tours you guys are doing. I’m interested in starting like Jordan by finding places to volunteer for weight displacement but idk where to begin. And I’d love to spend time walking around boats. Do you just contact random Craigslist’s posts and ask to come tour?
Huge $$$ to restore. I would suspect a very leaky deck rotting under a flat roof membrane cover-up. Huge $$$.
Love this boat layout ! I think the price needs to come way down! The broker or owner really needs to get the boat cleaned up before showing it ! Thanks for the tour!
Interesting boat. An excellent fixer-upper for someone with a vision. I don't see the cutter in it though, the mast is still too far forward like a sloop. A cutter rig has the mast more amidship. This allows for more foresails. Anyhow, the Ford Leiman engines are outstanding, reliable, and easy to get parts for almost anywhere in the world. It's definitely the engine I have in mind for my diesel-electric hybrid, plenty of reserve power for auxiliary attachments too. There's plenty of room in the engine bay for a generator and anything else one might need. That's the second boat tour, that I've seen, where the hatchway is offset to one side, and I have to say I like it.
Interesting boat. If you guys want a boat that will really be worth something when you are done you have to go high quality to start with. The perfect boat for you is the Bristol 43.5. The Bristol decimal series was built thru the 80's to early 90's. They are New England built simular to Hinckley and Little Harbor. The glass work is perfect , the interior woodwork is built in place. They have no inner glass liner. Looking about the interior even the bilges are gelcoat smooth. The 43.5 is a great layout check it out, very livable. I would not mess with an electric conversion just me this is a big boat and good dependable power is really a safety issue. They usually sell well north of 100k. But Martin Bird Associates in Annapolis has one listed asking 59k. This is a worthwhile project. Hope some lucky U tuber takes advantage of it so I can watch this fine yacht cruise again.
The pilot house is a nice feature. Being inside would make it a lot more comfortable for long passages. A lot less isolated for watches as well.
Exactly. Even in Florida the coldest I've ever been is in the middle of a windy night out in the cockpit on watch. Also, no chance of falling overboard while at the helm is a huge plus.
Of course the bigger boat really drives up the cost of maintenance and operation. Do you want to spend your time sailing or earning money to support your sailing? There is a lot to be said for going small and getting out there.
Lotsa leak damage, so mold too, you would have to do alot of tear out and mold cleaning. Patching the deck with latex roof sealer... Really ? Guess that tells you the repairs lol integrity.
I guessed it was a mid 80's boat before I read the description. Nice boat.. be prepared to fix a lot.. pressure water system... wiring.. and so on..
Enjoyed the tour along with the lovely Randi.
I would love to take that boat to the Carribean and the Mediterranean.
I agree!
We are taking our Cheoy Lee to Hawaii, Alaska, down the pacific coast then around the Panama Canal to the Carribean. We can't wait!
SV Avocet : You have the perfect boat for that cruise. Happy sailing ⛵️!!
@@Vinnie101a Thank you Vince! We are very happy with her. Hopefully we can catch up with my older brother on SV Prism ;) then we can race! lol! Fair winds
Yes, more of these types of videos.
$119,000.00? More like $1.19
Pass
Love the double ended look, it's more a motorsailer but I love it...
I converted my sail boat to a motorsailer
Wow, that extra 11 feet over the size of Freebie makes a huge difference in space. More than I would have guessed. I really liked a lot of the layout. It's a very different design. I think I like the bright feel that you guys have given to Freebie with the interior upgrades much more than I do all of the dark wood in this one. This is a really cool looking boat though. Hope you two do more of these boat tours.
Love Cheoy Lee yachts. I know videos/photos are kind but she's pretty nonetheless!
She needs a lot of interior work but the potential is definitely there.
We live aboard our Cheoy Lee 41 if you would like to know more about the history and builds of these awesome boats!
That is an amazing boat! I would buy that it’s so roomy!!
Yep. Keep doing boat tours. I love 'em. I spent the last hour Googling this boat.
A decent motor-sailor,and with out the extra ketch rig complication, all the usual issues with an old boat but lots of room and a nice compromise with a good engine that would get used a lot as do 95% of all sailboats. May as well do it in comfort but still look a little salty.who cares if its a 'Blue water' boat or not .it would make a great boat for the Bahamas and US east coast. not as classy as some similar boats like a Naticat range , Victory 40, or the old Fisher range but at a better price and about $50k she could come to life and make a decent cruiser. But difficult to get your money back if not one of the big names. This has been sitting a while so getting a boat that is currently being actively used would make it worth a lot more. A pilothouse motor-sailor is a great way to go compared to a cramped old sailboats. in good condition I would look at something like that for retirement. thanks for posting, cheers warren
Thanks for this tour and chat. I was not aware you kids were contemplating a change since you have worked so hard in refitting you current boat and have it almost done. This boat was certainly large enough for gusts or charters but it will need quite a bit of cosmetic work especially the interior. Love all of that beautiful wood! That Ford Lehman should be a good reliable power plant but what about a generator? I didn’t see any solar either. You must be on school break and it is nice to see you dear.
We're really not in the market for anything new right now, but people like seeing old boat tour videos like this so we thought we'd do some.
Very nice Boat Hope you get it
Thank you for the old boat crawl. Really nice layout but at 68 the stairs would be too much for me underway. Pilot house is definitely a plus. See if you can find an old Westsail 32 to tour next. Keep up the great work you two and thank you again for the video.
Another great video! Love your journey! Thanks!
Thank you!
Maybe an idea for a new diy project: a freefall lifeboat conversion to full electric houseboat eighter way keep doing these tours they are fun. Ps: i plan on doing it for myself in a few years and i have no clue how to do it
Bob Perry design; good Pacific Northwest boat. Some won't like the big engine or reliance on motoring a lot, but if you are cruising the Inside Passage you will be happy for it.
Thanks for sharing your video again, enjoy going though the boat would like to see more 👍
Really like the boat tours! Helpt me think about what i would like from my future boat 😄 this one has a Nice feel to it, think is would be Nice to live on full time
Yes Emma
Great tour thanks. Not a fan of pilothouses in general. That boat seems like it wants to motor more than sail........
This boat is a head ache, and not worth $119K.
A garbage scow!
@SvAvocet lives on their Cheoy Lee 41 and is preparing to sail the world... cool boats for sure
What a great old sailboat. Seems to be made to keep sailing in rough seas. . To bad they didn't try to sell it before they let it sit. And "Oh thankyou , thankyou , thankyou" for hijacking the ending.
Choey Lee made absolute world cruising vessels! I had the pleasure of being the curator of a 1976 ketch rigged 48' beauty.
moore boats
The thing with all these taiwan boats, is you have to dig into the guts of the boat, and ignore the pretty furniture... many early choey lee glass boats had serious blister problems... you have to look at how the bulk heads are tabbed to the hull , how the systems were built, at the through hulls, the piping and wiring... especially at the decks and house construction. wood decks and poorly encapsulated cores in "glass:" decks can be rotten. What looks like solid glass often isn't...so every top side fitting is a potential source of leaks, and soggy cores. Plus.. the Costs Increase with the Square or the Cube of the Boat Size... so unless you can afford to keep a good 42 footer... you surely cant afford to keep and upgrade a bad one. One the other hand.,... IF you know what the fuck you are doing, (which essentially means you could survey the thing yourself and not get any big surprises) and have cash resources and time.. there are many neglected boats to be had at a fraction of the market price for a good one. Question is how many years and how many skills do you have to put to the test ? If you are being led around by the nose by rosy cheeks and perky tits.. you are doomed.
Love your boat tours and that pilothouse sailboat
I would love for you to do a brewer 46' pilothouse
Once refurbished (and you paid maybe $75,000) this would be a perfect motorsailer for the North West, our summers are relatively wind free >80% of the time, mornings of glass like seas and moderate breezes in the afternoon. If you take a trip through the inside passage from Vancouver to say Prince Rupert in July, with the odd exception you’ll be motoring 90% of the time. If you only sail you might arrive before summer’s done? 😂
Thanks for the tour. As a cruiser, I would not want this boat. The size, and pilot house are nice but a big open galley would be really hard to work in at sea. Need a narrow space to keep standing.
I agree the galley is a bit of a design flaw.
Most boats made from 1981 until 1987 are going to be just junk . The market crash was in 1980 and the manufacturers all went cheap on everything .
Same boat as the Ted Brewer Pan Oceanic. Just looked at one in Florida that was $20k. Is was thrashed though. Awesome boats.
Nice boat! Love the layout!
That boat is a motorsailor. You should have communicated it’s special performance capability. They are a unique niche.
You would think they would clean the boat up before showing it. Recommend you guys watch the Yacting World reviews and what they look for in the boats. Boat reminds me of those Chinese junk boats
YEA!!! Schools out!
That boat needs a lot of work. Let's see, I'm 74 now. I could have that boat knocked out by the time I'm 90. Then what?? It would be time to start all over again!
119 k your joking , 20 to 30 max , it’s an old boat and it’s showing signs of it even on camera It’s showing leek marks on the wood work , , stick with you have , you won’t find a electric motor to push it
You summed it up with “ we don’t know enough yet” so y a boat tour
Have you, or can you show some of those $1.00 boats we keep hearing about, please🤓🤓🤓
I'm a sucker for these boats with a wheel house but this one doesn't rate the price tag. Additionally, I would be over every inch of this one with a moisture meter. It would probably make a decent live aboard but it would require too much work and money for blue water cruising.
Cheoy Lees usually are built in fantastic quality and with top notch materials .... one of the reasons why Cheoy Lees often still live after years or even decades of mistreatment and neglect. 119 k still is way too much for a boat in this condition , and a mere motorsailer at best, not a sailboat. The interior is more of a shoreline/daytrip cruiser layout, but a lotta people don't plan long crossings anyway.
We love our Cheoy Lee 41- our floating home! We have done many renovations on her, and after it all she is still solid as hell
Blue water or not? are you kidding ? they are built like tanks. thats a super cool boat.
pate allan not sure about the pilot houses, but we live aboard a Cheoy Lee 41 and will be cruising soon. Ours is definitely a blue water boat! Great to see these pilot houses though, we know a family that lives on one. Very spacious.
@@sailingavocet I was riding on a Choy Lee 41 when we hit a channel bouy (a huge one) head on at 7 kts. We actually ran over it. We didnt even know we hit it until it popped up on the side of the boat. We thought we ran aground. It bend the pulpit, broke the dolphin striker and put a scratch on the side of the boat. That was it. Other boats we might have sank. It made a huge believer in me as to the strength of a Choy Lee. What a great boat !!
@@pateallan7764 Woah! Crazy story... thank you for sharing with us. That makes us even MORE confident in our boat! Was it a CL 41 Pedrick, Offshore or a hybrid 41 like ours?
@@sailingavocet actually it was a 70's clipper MK II , 42 ft. A beautiful boat but tons of upkeep.
@@pateallan7764 Indeed! Our next project is varnishing the interior.
Love the Cheoy Lee.. The 43 and the big 53 are just beautiful motorsailers
We live aboard our Cheoy Lee 41, we love the build and history behind these vessels!
@@sailingavocet DO you have the 41 or the 41 offshore? Those round Seating areas so so cool in both those.
@@gary5831 the 41! She is a hybrid between the Pedrick and Offshore design but closer related to the offshore.
Crazy, I actually looked at this exact boat on boat world just this morning while at work. Come home watch this vid. And was like Whaaat? Lol Small world. I don't think I live to far from this boat either. Thanks for sharing.
Nice layout on that vessel...! However, y'all have a really nice craft as well, and familiarity is so valuable! Good to see you two again! Fair winds...!
Always loved Cheoy Lees and particularly the motor sailors. Nice tour.
Worth about $40,000 and another $50,000 to get it where it needs to not including almost 2 yrs to complete
Boat tours are cool and I love hearing your opinion of boats...I would like a little more analysis of pros and cons in future videos. Thank you for another interesting video :)
We live aboard our Cheoy Lee 41 (SV Avocet) if you want to know more about the build and design of these classics!
The tours are a nice opportunity for us to see the yachts, but you are not knowledgeable. To be honest it would be better to go round with either the sales agent or the owner. Just sayin' as your comments are pretty worthless.
Needs a lot of custom work, priced way way to high. Maybe $55,000 for boat. Then your going to need 75k-100k for upgrades unless you do all work yourself maybe can be done for 40k..it’s a old rusty rotten boat that the owner is still attached to the boat trying to get that price. He must realize tons of other boats on the market. 55k would be a price to sell
Do not let me near it. It would wind up here getting restoration.
yes... I would love to know what the seller is smoking...
great walk through...thumbs up !!! * in that condition....50K ** would make a great live aboard for me and my dog !!!
How much is the asking price of the boat??
This is the best layout I've seen. It's a very livable layout.
I honestly think it's horrible. It doesn't know what it is, or what it's for.
SV Avocet lives on Cheoy Lee. DOPE channel you should check it out
why don't you tell the prices of dose boats?
Nice boat but I guess out of your range. Both financially and sailing experience... You're better having a smaller, easier to sail and fix as you do now have. Look at Sailing Uma. They gained much experience and condidence by actually sailing their smaller boat than this, oh so nice vessel, but too big for you guys. For now...
Yep. Keep doing boat tours.
Always annoying when the owner or the broker is right there
Randie we just love you, we love Jordan two, but your pretty special hehe...
I love your surveys..
You fill a very needed nitch..
I first found your site from your Cape Coral survey on Vamoose and have followed your videos ever since.. I am actually in discussions with the owner of one of your surveys now.. I will be sure and credit you with the purchase when complete..
Your awesome Randie.. tell Jordan how lucky he is lololol
I'm sure he knows already
🌴⛵🏝
You guys please be careful in your travels
Luv your channel
Ya... She's a pig and a motor sailer. But she would make a sweet live aboard cruiser. Just think of the years of videos you guys could do refitting her! And wouldn't it be sweet to see her in Bristol condition? She just needs a taller mast and a mizzen mast to give her some more sail area and she'd be ready to go... Lol keep up the boat tours guys! And btw there's a sale pending on one that's in alot better shape for $72,500
the sailboat must be sold :-( its not on the Berger site .....:-(
I doubt its sold. May not be up yet. Give Barry a call for more info.
You don't drive a boat..
You pilot a boat..
I found the Berger Yacht Sales website difficult to navigate - how do you go from the photos of the boats in the "album" to "More Information" about those boats therein? I don't want to contact anyone at this stage, just browsing at this juncture. However, l did find the Carver when l pressed " power boats" have all the others been sold?
Please keep the videos coming.
Best part of the boat is that beautiful women.
Like the old boat tour, but without listing the asking price for anyone even remotely considering this makes it a bit pointless.
Perry design so off to a good start. Nice first impression walking up to it, and while a Pilot House has lots to love, implies it is likely a motor sailor (which it is) and a negative personally. I really do love the design layout interior, yea I can see how all those steps will be a con but tbh one would not likely walk from the rear up and back down and down again to the front much. Majority of the time would likely just be going from one living space to adjacent one. EXCEPT anyone staying at one of the rear berths, as they are more likely to need to go from lounge/kitchen back and forth more often. Anyone it is nice boat that yes does need some TLC, bit of cost and time on repairs but not like a complete rebuild or anything excessive. That big engine and being a motor sailor is its big killing point for me personally. Would love to know how it sails in light winds, but have my doubts considering that was not what was designed for.
I really enjoyed this tour. Many things about this boat would make for a grand sail. I liked that it was roomy and the prisms that brought in natural light is a big plus for me. The large main cabin is like a dream come true, as well as the two quarter berths and the two wet heads. The pilothouse would be awesome for sailing on those rainy and windy days at sea. The powerful engine would make sailing those calm days a breeze.
Well, those were the pros. The cons list is just as long, starting with the asking price at $119K. Let's just say that seems rather steep for the amount of work that this boat needs. New sails would set you back quite a few dollars for quality sails. But it's the multitude of little things that will drag you down here.
All in all, I loved this boat and the tour and would love to see more of the same. See both of you on the next tour, and thanks for bringing us along.
I love your show. I liked the enclosed cabin, like you said 360 degree enclosed view in case of bad weather. The boat seems rough, too much needed work for me. I do love ya’ll demoing these boats, I think it is so cool. I would love to own a boat and do not know hardly anything about sailing. I owned 3 fresh water boats before my accident in which the Postal truck I was stopped in got rear ended by a guy going 60-65 mph and knocked the truck over a 1/10 of a mile from the point of impact. It has been years and I have a bad instability all through my neck and had to sell my boats years ago but I sure would like to try going out on a boat again in order to see if I could own one again. I learn more about some of the functions and a lot about the lay out from watching ya’lls channel. Thank you so very much.
Sooo ..... you buying it?.
I noticed a couple of things while looking at the listing page. The first is that according to the diagram of the original layout this was originally built as a ketch. The aft mast was removed possibly for the huge cockpit awning? This would be a “No” from me.
my cousin is on a CL41... they are SV Avocet. Check em out if you want to know more about the boats!!
What's happening with Freebie
My friend lives on a Cheoy Lee! Hers is a 41... check them out, SV Avocet!
sv avocet has ine of those too! great vids here and on their channel too. lush boat
I like this boat. Everything is a tradeoff, but to me, the "V-Berth design here will keep the romance alive! Of course amidships would be smoother, but this would do!
No price?