Welcome back! Missed your videos! Ever since I asked you about that snap on speed handle and got one of my own, I've used it several times and love it.
@@DanEdmunds Yes sir i did. I honestly use it exclusively for removing wheels since I can be careful not to scratch the finish and i can be quiet compared to an impact.
This is probably the most underrated channel on youtube. Another insightful and information packed analysis. Saw the screenshot at 1:06 of the green 2-door rubicon on your ramp and I didn't see a video about that. What did that car score with its SAS?
Nice to see you busting out the speed wrench seems to have gone the way of the dinosaurs. How about getting your 4runner up on your ramp. Love the videos…!
Yes. They aren't always published by the manufacturers, and the Bronco matrix of possibilities is mind-bending. It's a question I always ask of the PR departments when I do one of these, but I don't always get an answer.
Me, too. I'm taking steps to make it more consistent. I'm a one-man band with these, and there are a lot of moving parts. I need more views to make the effort pay off. Thanks for watching!!
Was on the fence about Sasquatch pkg. Thanks. Makes sense about the 35s being limited. Will go 2 door with Badlands and 33's. That's gonna be expensive.
@6:15 - I'm going Badlands 4 door - and I'm torn between non-Squatch and Squatch. For me, the peace of mind for the factory configuration for suspension and gearing - all covered with a factory warranty - is really enticing. But, one I get that revised gearing and bigger tires, it's hard to reverse. You make a point about the additional wheel articulation for a 33" tire Badlands, especially for 2 door.... what about the 4 door choice?
As I understand it, Sasquatch always leads to a slight restriction in travel at both ends. But 35-inch tires do make more sense on a 4-door than a 2-door because of the long wheelbase. The extra height offsets the longer wheelbase somewhat to give it better breakover clearance. I guess it depends on what kind of off-roading you'll do. Some people aren't looking for the absolute maximum articulation. I'm thinking rock-crawlers vs. overlanders.
How exactly are they restricting the travel? Can the restriction be removed once you have made clearance? Would I be better off to get 4 door badlands and just add 4.7 gears? Plan a lift and 37 in long run. Thanks in advance.
It's not exactly a suspension component but probably worth noting is the rzeppa CV joint on the rear driveshaft probably works wonders mitigating highway vibrations instead of a traditional universal joint
Very informative video, thanks. Do you have a reference showing the reduced wheel travel for the Sasquatch? Not that I disbelieve you, I just hadn't heard of that limitation before.
I'll have to dig it up, but yes, I have it in print somewhere. It's similar to the travel restriction that the new Raptor institutes if you opt for 37-inch tires. The new Raptor with the standard 35-inch rubber will flex more than one shod with the optional 37-inch tires. Same thing here.
@@DanEdmunds Right, it makes sense if the platform wasn't designed for it, I'd just like to see a reference that either directly measures the wheel travel differences or quotes ford saying as such. This definitely casts the sasquatch more into "looks package" than real 4x4, compared to a badlands with 33s.
@@Telamonster2 Playing the devils advocate, I would say that the sasquatch package is better for mud, water fording, and driving over objects that might otherwise hit the skid plate but with the slight lift now do not.
Hi Dan. Great video. I see that you had a wrangler on your flex ramp but noticed on the bronco flex video the wrangler wasn't on your board. What gives?
Really informative video. Thank you for making. I just acquired as if by magic a 4-Door Area 51 First Edition Sasquatch Package and this is super helpful. I also did the Texas Off-Rodeo and am pretty well read up on the vehicle. This was next level!
? Bilsteins fit on a Base alright. Getting some takeoffs from a modern along with the upper control arms, though I think those are same as the base, yes?
With all my overlanding gear in the rear of the 4-door Bronco (probably 250 lbs once the roof rack is installed), coupled with pulling a ~1500-1700 lb overland trailer, the rear end of my Bronco Sasquatch sags down somewhat. Is there any solution to just raising the rear end a couple of inches...without going into a full-blown lift?
Former proving ground engineer, mainly suspension testing and development. Was at Toyota Arizona Proving Grounds in the 1990s, developed the first TRD Off-Road package for Tacoma, Pre-Runner and Tundra. Moved to Hyundai in the first half of the 2000s, then jumped into automotive journalism with Edmunds.com (no relation). Now I freelance write for Autoblog, and I'm just adding Car and Driver to the mix.
Which of the broncos will have least roll when cornering in highway? Is it with Sasquatch package, or badlands without Sasquatch package or other ones. Badlands has bilstein shocks with stabilizer bar disconnect. Any feedback will be helpful. Reason is since these don’t have rear stabilizer bar, I am looking to know which will be the least.
The lack of a rear stabilizer bar here isn't a cause for concern. Rear stabilizer bars are typically used to trim the roll balance front to rear, and sometimes they aren't needed.
It depends on what you use your Bronco for. Climb rocks, yes, badland. Just 4 wheels drive on a little bumpy road, wide Trak with 35 or 37 tires fpr the look. 4 DR will have a longer wheel base and will be a better and smooth ride.
Thanks for sticking with me. I'm in the in-between phase where I don't have enough subscribers or consistent viewers to make a new piece of content each and every week, which is what the algorithm rewards. I'm trying to stay consistent, and I'm making changes that should help. All I can say is: thanks for watching and share, share, share! (Please)
could you please do a porsche boxster cayman suspension review? and just how much better is that compare to nd miata etc... want to buy one so bad!! please!
5:40 while true and not really of concern, the rubicon sway bar has aftermarket methods of actuating that will disconnect under tension either through pneumatics or a knob. . Reality is that disconnecting the sway bar on an obstacle can unsettle the vehicle and just isn’t practical. I always disconnect at the start of the trail and on reconnect on extreme angles where I’d want to mitigate body roll as much as possible. Just for a ride comfort gain disconnecting the sway bar on a solid axle is amazing. You can just feed the axle underneath you floating and articulating about which is not what an ifs setup feels like at all. . Btw, I run a tazer that allows my Jeep to unlock and lock the sway and diffs at any speed and any range including 2wd high and even run a 2wd low range via its FAD disable feature.
When you eventually do the new tundra, I want to know if it has the 10.5 rear diff with an e locker as an option. 9.5 elocker has been unchanged since the 100 series launch in 98, although they stopped offering it in the US in 2001. as far as I know the 10.5 that came in some tundra's never had an elocker, in the us or overseas. also I want to know what the front diff is too, is it the same as the outgoing tundra?
The Jeep system can only connect/disconnect on flat ground. You have to disconnect it before you hit the trail. You can push the button while on the move on a dirt road, but the status light may flash until you reach a section that's smooth enough to take the preload off the sliding coupling and allow it to move. The Ford just does it whenever (in 4H or 4L). Both have a similar low-speed restriction that reconnects them at normal driving speeds.
hmmmm, this review didn't cover all of the buttons on the interior of the Bronco that the other 1,384 videos on UA-cam have already covered. Strange. He's talking about other things.
I think in terms of suspension performance this seems to be pretty close to a gen 1 raptor. You can take this thing to the desert and tear it up where a Wrangler will only tear itself up
Definitely is, but from TireRack that MT looks to be one of the lightest options available. Some tires are over 10-15lbs heavier, so could eclipse 100lbs with the wheel.
I really like his videos. I wish he’d start making them again.
This was very helpful and informative. I would love to see more detailed videos like this about every aspect of the Bronco :)
Welcome back! Missed your videos! Ever since I asked you about that snap on speed handle and got one of my own, I've used it several times and love it.
That wrench is the best. You find one used on eBay?
@@DanEdmunds Yes sir i did. I honestly use it exclusively for removing wheels since I can be careful not to scratch the finish and i can be quiet compared to an impact.
@@thegaragehub You can loosen lug nuts with it?
I thought he used an impact or breaker and finished with the speed wrench
@@davidtaylor5811 Yes, the end of the speed wrench swivels just like most breaker bars. Never knew this tool existed till I saw Dan use it.
@@thegaragehub I'll be getting one for sure!
Great information and thanks for “dumbing it down”. Production and editing were very smooth too.
Thanks very much. I appreciate the kind words. Making one of these is takes a lot of time because I do it all. Shoot, talk, edit, publish.
Excellent explanation of the Bronco suspension.
Nice to see you back
Thanks. It's been a weird year.
You are very knowledgeable, so I am assuming you are an engineer. Thanks for the information.
Love your walkthrough. Very knowledgeable and detailed with the proper amount of great info.
I learned a lot about suspensions in general. Thank you.
This is probably the most underrated channel on youtube. Another insightful and information packed analysis. Saw the screenshot at 1:06 of the green 2-door rubicon on your ramp and I didn't see a video about that. What did that car score with its SAS?
Nice to see you busting out the speed wrench seems to have gone the way of the dinosaurs. How about getting your 4runner up on your ramp. Love the videos…!
Dan did a suspension analysis of his 4Runner a while back on the autoblog site.
These videos are the best. Great work 👍
I know im asking for a lot but suspension travel numbers would be nice in your videos. Already love your videos.
Yes. They aren't always published by the manufacturers, and the Bronco matrix of possibilities is mind-bending. It's a question I always ask of the PR departments when I do one of these, but I don't always get an answer.
Nice overview of the Sasquatch Suspension, I will be sharing this and the RTI video in my Facebook group. 👍
Thank you! I do appreciate it.
Awesome and thorough suspension review! The first one that clarifies the differences with ranger and the bronco. Thx.
Great video, first time viewer here.
Great review Dan. Glad you're back.
Me, too. I'm taking steps to make it more consistent. I'm a one-man band with these, and there are a lot of moving parts. I need more views to make the effort pay off. Thanks for watching!!
Excellent video! Will you be doing a ramp flex test of this Bronco as well?
Yes, of course!
@@DanEdmunds I can’t wait 🙏
Was on the fence about Sasquatch pkg. Thanks. Makes sense about the 35s being limited. Will go 2 door with Badlands and 33's. That's gonna be expensive.
Great stuff! Would love to see a review of the new Nissan Frontier.
Yeah. I have not had luck getting Nissans in the past, but the Frontier is a must.
@@DanEdmunds they accept USD, just buy one!
I love your content, anyways happy to see your content on my feed
Thanks! I'm hoping to be more consistent, but it's hard because I don't have enough followers to allow me to devote a lot of time to it.
@6:15 - I'm going Badlands 4 door - and I'm torn between non-Squatch and Squatch. For me, the peace of mind for the factory configuration for suspension and gearing - all covered with a factory warranty - is really enticing. But, one I get that revised gearing and bigger tires, it's hard to reverse. You make a point about the additional wheel articulation for a 33" tire Badlands, especially for 2 door.... what about the 4 door choice?
As I understand it, Sasquatch always leads to a slight restriction in travel at both ends. But 35-inch tires do make more sense on a 4-door than a 2-door because of the long wheelbase. The extra height offsets the longer wheelbase somewhat to give it better breakover clearance.
I guess it depends on what kind of off-roading you'll do. Some people aren't looking for the absolute maximum articulation. I'm thinking rock-crawlers vs. overlanders.
How exactly are they restricting the travel? Can the restriction be removed once you have made clearance? Would I be better off to get 4 door badlands and just add 4.7 gears? Plan a lift and 37 in long run. Thanks in advance.
It's not exactly a suspension component but probably worth noting is the rzeppa CV joint on the rear driveshaft probably works wonders mitigating highway vibrations instead of a traditional universal joint
Yes, absolutely.
Hey Dan, when you were doing this investigation did you happen to measure the stock scrub radius?
Thanks Dan - Excellent analysis!
Very informative video, thanks. Do you have a reference showing the reduced wheel travel for the Sasquatch? Not that I disbelieve you, I just hadn't heard of that limitation before.
I'll have to dig it up, but yes, I have it in print somewhere. It's similar to the travel restriction that the new Raptor institutes if you opt for 37-inch tires. The new Raptor with the standard 35-inch rubber will flex more than one shod with the optional 37-inch tires. Same thing here.
I'll be doing a written version for AutoBlog, and plan to go into that there.
@@DanEdmunds Right, it makes sense if the platform wasn't designed for it, I'd just like to see a reference that either directly measures the wheel travel differences or quotes ford saying as such.
This definitely casts the sasquatch more into "looks package" than real 4x4, compared to a badlands with 33s.
@@Telamonster2 Playing the devils advocate, I would say that the sasquatch package is better for mud, water fording, and driving over objects that might otherwise hit the skid plate but with the slight lift now do not.
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Please do the FJCRUISER to directly compare to this Bronco on the ramp
The angle between the front upright and ball joint is very curious.
And that muffler hanger bracket in the rear!
What jack did you use to lift the bronco? I just had to use the standard jack, in the snow, and it’s a POS.
Hi Dan. Great video. I see that you had a wrangler on your flex ramp but noticed on the bronco flex video the wrangler wasn't on your board. What gives?
It's probably due to the sequence? If it was my modded JK, I don't put that up against stock vehicles.
Really informative video. Thank you for making. I just acquired as if by magic a 4-Door Area 51 First Edition Sasquatch Package and this is super helpful. I also did the Texas Off-Rodeo and am pretty well read up on the vehicle. This was next level!
Is the limit of a rear sway bar noticeable? I have one on my wildtrak 22
? Bilsteins fit on a Base alright. Getting some takeoffs from a modern along with the upper control arms, though I think those are same as the base, yes?
With all my overlanding gear in the rear of the 4-door Bronco (probably 250 lbs once the roof rack is installed), coupled with pulling a ~1500-1700 lb overland trailer, the rear end of my Bronco Sasquatch sags down somewhat. Is there any solution to just raising the rear end a couple of inches...without going into a full-blown lift?
I like suspensions, frames and hoods. Ford could have made a more stylish hood butI'm sure they have plenty of after market stuff for that.
I really enjoyed this. You made the info easily digestible. Well done. What is your background if I may ask?
Former proving ground engineer, mainly suspension testing and development. Was at Toyota Arizona Proving Grounds in the 1990s, developed the first TRD Off-Road package for Tacoma, Pre-Runner and Tundra. Moved to Hyundai in the first half of the 2000s, then jumped into automotive journalism with Edmunds.com (no relation). Now I freelance write for Autoblog, and I'm just adding Car and Driver to the mix.
@@DanEdmunds Keep up the great work
Which of the broncos will have least roll when cornering in highway? Is it with Sasquatch package, or badlands without Sasquatch package or other ones. Badlands has bilstein shocks with stabilizer bar disconnect. Any feedback will be helpful. Reason is since these don’t have rear stabilizer bar, I am looking to know which will be the least.
The lack of a rear stabilizer bar here isn't a cause for concern. Rear stabilizer bars are typically used to trim the roll balance front to rear, and sometimes they aren't needed.
Excellent in depth look at the suspension. Any recommendations on protecting the rear lower arm on the Bronco?
I'm not yet sure it'll be an issue. If that does turn out to be the case, I'm sure the aftermarket will respond.
It depends on what you use your Bronco for. Climb rocks, yes, badland. Just 4 wheels drive on a little bumpy road, wide Trak with 35 or 37 tires fpr the look. 4 DR will have a longer wheel base and will be a better and smooth ride.
Well done, thanks :)
I knew not unsubscribing was a good idea.
Thanks for sticking with me. I'm in the in-between phase where I don't have enough subscribers or consistent viewers to make a new piece of content each and every week, which is what the algorithm rewards. I'm trying to stay consistent, and I'm making changes that should help. All I can say is: thanks for watching and share, share, share! (Please)
Hey, it LOOKS like a Bronco👍🏻
Yes. They absolutely nailed that. It's looks more like a Bronco than the last two Broncos.
I didn't see a bump stop on the rear axle. Does the Broncos not have those?
Built into the coil-over - like the front suspension. Good catch. I forgot to point that out a second time because it was the same story at both ends.
could you please do a porsche boxster cayman suspension review? and just how much better is that compare to nd miata etc... want to buy one so bad!! please!
Hmm. Good idea. I have not done one in some time. I did a photo version of the last generation Cayman for InsideLine back in the day.
@@DanEdmunds yeah a video review would be cool. to see is the porsche really WORTH the price premium.. thank you!
missed you dude
The bronco front arm two nuts are sticking out can be bad for off-roading easy can nocked off broke it seems design fault I think how you think?
5:40 while true and not really of concern, the rubicon sway bar has aftermarket methods of actuating that will disconnect under tension either through pneumatics or a knob.
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Reality is that disconnecting the sway bar on an obstacle can unsettle the vehicle and just isn’t practical. I always disconnect at the start of the trail and on reconnect on extreme angles where I’d want to mitigate body roll as much as possible. Just for a ride comfort gain disconnecting the sway bar on a solid axle is amazing. You can just feed the axle underneath you floating and articulating about which is not what an ifs setup feels like at all.
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Btw, I run a tazer that allows my Jeep to unlock and lock the sway and diffs at any speed and any range including 2wd high and even run a 2wd low range via its FAD disable feature.
When you eventually do the new tundra, I want to know if it has the 10.5 rear diff with an e locker as an option. 9.5 elocker has been unchanged since the 100 series launch in 98, although they stopped offering it in the US in 2001. as far as I know the 10.5 that came in some tundra's never had an elocker, in the us or overseas. also I want to know what the front diff is too, is it the same as the outgoing tundra?
I'm starting to collect data on that, but press vehicles won't be available for another month, I think.
@@DanEdmunds Cool, upper control arm length would be interesting to know as well.
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Rubicon has to unload before engaging swaybar disconnect?
The Jeep system can only connect/disconnect on flat ground. You have to disconnect it before you hit the trail. You can push the button while on the move on a dirt road, but the status light may flash until you reach a section that's smooth enough to take the preload off the sliding coupling and allow it to move. The Ford just does it whenever (in 4H or 4L). Both have a similar low-speed restriction that reconnects them at normal driving speeds.
@@DanEdmunds Thank you.
hmmmm, this review didn't cover all of the buttons on the interior of the Bronco that the other 1,384 videos on UA-cam have already covered. Strange. He's talking about other things.
Not my jam -- unless it controls a stabilizer bar disconnect and you want to demonstrate how it works on a Flex Index Ramp *foreshadowing*
@@DanEdmunds that was a lot of sarcasm on my part! Thanks for the non-repetitive review!
I think in terms of suspension performance this seems to be pretty close to a gen 1 raptor. You can take this thing to the desert and tear it up where a Wrangler will only tear itself up
Not a fan how low those rear shocks are, or even the bolt on the front LCA.
The rear bills are already scratches ups… come on Ford.
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They’re breaking tie rods and cv axles stock offroad 🤣 and that ecoboost motor will fall apart after 50k miles
aluminum front suspension like a 350Z, save for the steel knuckle.
thanks for the video on the Bronco, now that I have had a look at it, I will pass.
87 5 LBS that's an overweight tire
Definitely is, but from TireRack that MT looks to be one of the lightest options available. Some tires are over 10-15lbs heavier, so could eclipse 100lbs with the wheel.
Say what? Whoa
He's not wrong. It's heavy, but it could be a LOT worse. These are 35-inch tires...