Hey Dan - This is super informative. If it was you going 4 door with SAS, is the Badlands worth it with the staybar disconnect or should I keep the Black Diamond and wait for aftermarket quick disconnects? I know it's subjective but would love your professional thoughts.
Yeah, too bad the american mentality is: I AiNt pAyInG nO 85k FoR a ToYOtA!! Meanwhile they will pay nearly the same or more for a fully loaded tahoe/suburban, yukon denali, F-250 etc. Americans don’t deserve the LC and now it’s gone from the american market.
I really appreciate the combination of engineering explanation and calculations. I did ME too. Waiting on my build date, I went with 4 dr Badlands on 33” that ends up being highly similar to that rig.
I would LOVE to see you do this with a Land Rover LR3/LR4! There’s debate on our forums whether or not wheeling in off road suspension height or standard height actually provides more flex. There’s also debate whether or not there’s any utility getting under the vehicle and manually disconnecting the sway bar.
First off, love the channel. I’ve watch all you flex vids and was wondering if you could do a JL Rubicon. Would like to see how it compares with the bronco and gladiator. Thank you and keep the videos coming.
Great video! Can you do this test with 4runner trd off road vs 4runner trd off road KDSS? I have yet to see a direct comparison to show the increase of articulation with the KDSS
Let’s face it- the numbers don’t lie. If this stock IFS can produce those scores which are better than the Rubicon solid axle then which really offers greater flex?? Seems like that argument over solid vs IFS is settled in favor of this new Broncos design. Dan what do you say.?
short wheelbase vs long wheelbase, this is why the rti test doesnt really tell all. if they both pull up on a boulder, the gladiator rubicon would be able to pull onto a larger one, this situation has everything to do with corner travel, not just an arbitrary number from pulling up a ramp.
Right. But there's also the issue of the long wheelbase dragging as you go over the boulder. Wheel lift and wheelbase are both important at different times, and RTI attempts to combine both effects. But there will be obstacles out there that will favor one factor over the other.
The gladiator is a long wheelbase vehicle but only lost to the 2dr Bronco by 41 points. Let that sink in. A 2dr JL Rubicon has a lot more flex that the 2dr bronco. Most of the flex on the bronco comes from the rear axle too. It does not have a sway bar in the rear either to get even more flex. Now the miss match from the front to the rear is where I hate IFS and it is very evident when you are descending a ledge where one tire drops first, you end up tipping that way. The sway disco helps but does not eliminate. it.
Thanks for the detailed measurements and great test setup! It would also be interesting to rank the vehicles by their (ramp travel / wheel base) values. A super flexible short wheelbase vehicle can put almost both left side tires on the ramp and still register a shorter ramp travel value than a long wheelbase vehicle, etc.
Very interesting testing going on. So, I learned that almost everything is more flexible than my suzuki samurai. I have 3 inch trail gear lift springs and they are known to be stiff. My front tire can only be lifted about 16 inches before my back tire starts coming off the ground. but my shocks still have about 2 inches off compression and extension left so at least I'm good there, lol. I'm telling you short leaf springs have no travel, but anyway I'm just testing and checking out stuff to figure out how to improve. I think it's often overlooked; how important articulation is when offroading. You need flex otherwise your vehicle will try to flip over...
Dan Edmunds I saw a green 2 door Rubicon on your ramp in one of the videos. Why can I not find the video for that jeep? I am directly comparing the Bronco and Wrangler 2 doors for purchase. This would be very helpful. Thanks, Mike.
Did you happen to notice the front wheel cameras on the huge center screen? They are specifically designed to help with aligning the tires on obstacles on the trail. 😀
Yes, but they're pretty fish-eyed. I need to align the tire within an inch or less, and the camera doesn't quite give me the precision I need for that. It does help make sure I'm not going to hit the garage door, though. So I lean out the door and try not to burn my arm on the hot paint instead!
@@DanEdmunds Thanks Dan. That makes sense. BTW when will you get a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon that ramp? I think we would all love to see a direct comparison between the two doors and the four doors.
Love these videos! Keep up the great work Dan Could some of that lost travel from the 35’s be recovered with 74weld’s not-yet-released bronco portal axle ends?
Love the two door, it's the best offroader and looks. I hope I could get one once prices go down (or at least no greety mark ups) and I'm aiming at a Black diamond since is what I can afford. It has the offroad gear I need to have fun an explorer the outdoors. Would I like a front locker and front bar disconnect? Yes, but I will still be able to go further than a Tacoma TRD PRO or any other pickup truck.
It would have been nice to have mentioned the cameras that are installed specifically to aid with the line of sight issues you discussed. Not quite fair, IMO. Overall a very informative video.
They're pretty fish-eyed, and it's not something you expect to need while parking or squeezing through a gate. They're made to aid off-road spotting, not daily-drive visibility. The problem is even worse looking toward the front passenger corner.
@@DanEdmunds the black handle looking things on the hood are meant to help know where the wheels are and give an idea of where the corner of the vehicle is
@@DanEdmunds The combination of a 5 link coil sprung live rear axle with 8in shocks, and 5.5in travel front MacPherson struts makes for interesting combo, especially since the front sway bar makes up half of the lower front wishbone.
Btw for those wondering about bump stop mods. I bought a Badlands with 33s after watching this videos for the extra travel offered by the Bilstein. I then swapped them for some 35x12.5 with a 17x8 ET25 wheels and a level kit. It doesn’t rub when I offroad. So if you have a Sasquatch with the 315/70 17, you can definitely cut down the bump stops slightly. Cheers
Thanks Dan, another very informative video and you keep the content rolling, i.e. no lags. You mentioned that travel is limited on Sasquatch with 35’s. How is it limited and can it be removed? I.e. is it a stop or something.? I’m wondering if I put 2” lift kit then could I gain more travel.
I think it's built into the bump stops within the shocks. I have not gotten direct confirmation of that. But there are no other visible bump stops external to the shocks.
That one is in edit. But I will say that the Defender air suspension operates differently in this regard than the Discovery, LR4 and RR -- all of which I measured before I started shooting video.
Speaking of sway bar disconnects, I think it would be interesting if you tested the Maverick FX4...with and without sway bars. From all these other tests I've been watching, the Maverick seems really stiffly sprung, obviously catering to on-road driving, but the packaging is so perfect for overland trips that it's a shame they don't offer more off-road capability. It seems to me like it would really benefit from just a couple more inches of articulation and disconnecting the sway bars manually might do the trick. Same for the Bronco Sport.
I don't like manually disconnecting stabilizer bars, because you can get in real trouble at high speed if you don't reconnect them -- especially if you equip one with high-mounted gear like a rooftop tent. That's why systems like this auto-reconnect above 20 mph. I think Ford needs to offer a factory-engineered taller suspension option for Maverick and Bronco sport, and I bet they will.
The Land Cruisers RTI is still insanely impressive. KDSS gets the job done really well too. The 4runner with KDSS holds its own against serious competition as well. The Bronco and the Toyota with KDSS really show IFS can compete or even beat the solid axle Jeeps.
It's why Land Cruiser is the GOAT. You see them in every country in the most remote regions. Nobody gives a shit about JEEP or bronco outside of the US. In the US JEEP relies heavily on patriotism to sell jeeps.
@@electrikoptik Total BS. I’ve owned and wheeled both 200 Series Land Cruiser and Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. The LC is an overlanding vehicle, nothing more. Jeep’s can wheel AND overland. Not saying one is better and I believe the Toyota is built better overall, but you’re talking out of your a$$. When it comes to wheeling, nothing matches a Wrangler Rubicon.
@@grisa12345 Jeep overlanding. Is this a joke? You mean "Joe American" that has a jeep and goes "overlanding" in his own home state? Or maybe just maybe he goes overlanding from California to Nevada? My friend I've been to Africa/Asia where people trust their lives to a Land Cruiser. Where overlanding is not a fun getaway or hobby. When your wrangler rubicon is rotting away in a junkyard, my father's FJ60 still starts and drive like new.
That type of vehicle is very impractical, useless and expensive here in the Netherlands but I love them anyway. Oh I have a suggestion: why don't you add a scale on the ramp so you can read off the correct value (including the sin(20 degrees))? You would still need to divide by the wheelbase of course, but it would probably reduce the error margin. You may have talked about that before, sorry if I missed that.
Thanks for the video! Just a couple thoughts. Your height measurement should be measured from the top of the gripped threads on the ramp, not the side. Since that is what the tire is sitting on. Also what tire pressure were you running? Any load in the back? Full tank? Both those factors can have an impact on results so just curious
@@Sacapuntas69 yes but the test is a standardized method of testing so the same controls should be followed by everyone. These flex tests will be compared to others who did them after all. But that was only one variable of the test.
The wide-angle camera images are distorted to the sides. It doesn't help me line up precisely on the ramp, and It can't help prevent desert stripe when playing "operation" while driving along brush-lined trails. It does help with basic tire placement when straddling rocks down the middle, and it's great for peeking over blind crests. But it's not a panacea for tall fenders that block your view over the front corners.
4 wheel independent suspension on the defender. It’s not gonna score good. I’m guessing in the 400’s. It might even breakdown while driving up the ramp.
I have done a Defender. Edit coming soon. I had to wait because I observed something odd, and I wanted to make sure it was operating as intended. It was, so I just need to do a little VO segment to finish it off.
My OCD kept me from watching you sitting there waving the metal measuring stick next to the paint and then taking your hand off letting it hold itself.
You look like you may be located in SoCal. If you are and are interested in testing a 2020 defender, shoot me a message. Im willing to lend mine to see how the flex is on it.
@@DanEdmunds Should be a bit over the 700, will educated guess be around 750 to maybe 800. Tested mine on a 23 deg ramp but it was on a very lumpy grass area with a low drop for the for the right front and the ramp was tippy. 718 was the score but was so not optimal that I would just be able to say it flexes but would throw out that score. The tall grass made it really hard to see when the tire started to lift and with the tippy ramp I stopped pretty short.
Weird, isn't it? And it goes away when the lights are fully on. Something about the frame rate of the camera synching up with the LEDs when they're running at a lower voltage in DRL mode.
The only one that performs better than all the others is the Badlands. It has more suspension travel than everything else, plus the stab bar disconnect. Now, Sasquatch is an option there, but I would not recommend going for it. Stick with the Badlands 33" tires and you retain the extra travel and flex. I do need to get one in for that measurement, though
Because they allow the front and rear shocks to extend farther and grow longer to take full advantage of the smaller radius of the 33" tires in terms of wheelhouse clearance. The Badlands w/o Sasquatch has more suspension travel, and more travel = more flex on the ramp.
The sway bar thing could be useful for sure, but I think 99% of people are just using it to show off. I haven't looked at the mechanism so I can't speak to its durability, but I think jeep has the better idea as far as reliability goes, but time will tell, and I am very often wrong.
Yes, but they're pretty fish-eyed. I need to align the tire within an inch or less, and the camera doesn't quite give me the precision I need for that. It does help make sure I'm not going to hit the garage door, though. So I lean out the door and try not to burn my arm on the hot paint instead!
I loved all the shots you got of the sway bar disconnecting. Very interesting.
Hey Dan - This is super informative. If it was you going 4 door with SAS, is the Badlands worth it with the staybar disconnect or should I keep the Black Diamond and wait for aftermarket quick disconnects? I know it's subjective but would love your professional thoughts.
I am a mechanical engineering student and I find these suspension systems so satisfying. Thank you for this unique content on YT.
Thanks. I come from a ME professional background, and it's nice to see how much people appreciate it.
@@DanEdmunds, you're most welcome.
I just uploaded 2021 Broncos vs Early Broncos in the first ever Flex competition at Super Cel West. Good times!
Yessir they have potential
Man that land cruiser is something else!!
Yeah, too bad the american mentality is: I AiNt pAyInG nO 85k FoR a ToYOtA!!
Meanwhile they will pay nearly the same or more for a fully loaded tahoe/suburban, yukon denali, F-250 etc. Americans don’t deserve the LC and now it’s gone from the american market.
@@electrikoptik hey that leaves more for the rest of us lol
I really appreciate the combination of engineering explanation and calculations. I did ME too. Waiting on my build date, I went with 4 dr Badlands on 33” that ends up being highly similar to that rig.
I dig all the added camera shots. Thanks for sharing your findings with us in an entertaining way.
I would LOVE to see you do this with a Land Rover LR3/LR4! There’s debate on our forums whether or not wheeling in off road suspension height or standard height actually provides more flex. There’s also debate whether or not there’s any utility getting under the vehicle and manually disconnecting the sway bar.
Been reading dans articles since i was a young lad. Good to see videos from you still.
First off, love the channel. I’ve watch all you flex vids and was wondering if you could do a JL Rubicon. Would like to see how it compares with the bronco and gladiator. Thank you and keep the videos coming.
This channel is underrated af. you know what I dream to see you doing? the new LC300 haha, thanks
Let’s gooo was waiting for this
As impressive as the Bronco is... that Land Cruiser number never fails to surprise me.
It is quite impressive for such a big beastie.
Great video! Can you do this test with 4runner trd off road vs 4runner trd off road KDSS? I have yet to see a direct comparison to show the increase of articulation with the KDSS
Let’s face it- the numbers don’t lie. If this stock IFS can produce those scores which are better than the Rubicon solid axle then which really offers greater flex?? Seems like that argument over solid vs IFS is settled in favor of this new Broncos design. Dan what do you say.?
short wheelbase vs long wheelbase, this is why the rti test doesnt really tell all. if they both pull up on a boulder, the gladiator rubicon would be able to pull onto a larger one, this situation has everything to do with corner travel, not just an arbitrary number from pulling up a ramp.
Right. But there's also the issue of the long wheelbase dragging as you go over the boulder. Wheel lift and wheelbase are both important at different times, and RTI attempts to combine both effects. But there will be obstacles out there that will favor one factor over the other.
@@DanEdmunds True, but doesnt track width also cause similar issues, thats not taken into account at all.
The gladiator is a long wheelbase vehicle but only lost to the 2dr Bronco by 41 points. Let that sink in. A 2dr JL Rubicon has a lot more flex that the 2dr bronco. Most of the flex on the bronco comes from the rear axle too. It does not have a sway bar in the rear either to get even more flex. Now the miss match from the front to the rear is where I hate IFS and it is very evident when you are descending a ledge where one tire drops first, you end up tipping that way. The sway disco helps but does not eliminate. it.
Also remember as archaic as the SFA is, it’s also strong as hell. I’ve seen IFS axels and tie rod ends snap a hell of a lot more.
Thanks for the detailed measurements and great test setup! It would also be interesting to rank the vehicles by their (ramp travel / wheel base) values. A super flexible short wheelbase vehicle can put almost both left side tires on the ramp and still register a shorter ramp travel value than a long wheelbase vehicle, etc.
That's what he did with the "flex index".
Please please do more of these type of flex videos
6:11 favorite part. Thanks for visualizing that feature
My favorite UA-cam channel by far. Thanks Dan!
Aww shucks.
Very interesting testing going on. So, I learned that almost everything is more flexible than my suzuki samurai. I have 3 inch trail gear lift springs and they are known to be stiff. My front tire can only be lifted about 16 inches before my back tire starts coming off the ground. but my shocks still have about 2 inches off compression and extension left so at least I'm good there, lol. I'm telling you short leaf springs have no travel, but anyway I'm just testing and checking out stuff to figure out how to improve. I think it's often overlooked; how important articulation is when offroading. You need flex otherwise your vehicle will try to flip over...
That’s really pretty impressive
Another highly informative video! thanks for sharing the calculations and the process. looking forward to your next!
great spec - 2dr in that blue with the sasquatch is awesome
Dan Edmunds I saw a green 2 door Rubicon on your ramp in one of the videos. Why can I not find the video for that jeep? I am directly comparing the Bronco and Wrangler 2 doors for purchase. This would be very helpful. Thanks, Mike.
Very well done. The effort put into this is appreciated!
Cool test. I'd be interested in a flex value score, too. Something like flex index / msrp. That Land Cruiser is gorgeous.
Nice video thanks. That Land Cruiser score is impressive. I’d love too see all the scores of these two and four door off-roaders
Text for algorithm. Fun vid! I like that the less aggressive badlands has add’l travel.
it's simple. Flex index = 1000 * Height/Sin(angle of the ramp) ... in this case the ramp is 20 degrees
Did you happen to notice the front wheel cameras on the huge center screen? They are specifically designed to help with aligning the tires on obstacles on the trail.
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Yes, but they're pretty fish-eyed. I need to align the tire within an inch or less, and the camera doesn't quite give me the precision I need for that. It does help make sure I'm not going to hit the garage door, though. So I lean out the door and try not to burn my arm on the hot paint instead!
@@DanEdmunds Thanks Dan. That makes sense. BTW when will you get a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon that ramp? I think we would all love to see a direct comparison between the two doors and the four doors.
Love these videos! Keep up the great work Dan
Could some of that lost travel from the 35’s be recovered with 74weld’s not-yet-released bronco portal axle ends?
I think the aftermarket will claw that travel back with 35s. A simple lift kit would likely do it, provided the bump stops change.
Your the best !!! Thank you 🙏.. would be cool to see a 4 door Sasquatch as well
Facts
4 door vidz are everywhere. Two doors are rare and to me they are the best.
@@davidzavala337 please send me the video of a 4 door Sasquatch flex test that your talking about 👍. Since they are “everywhere “ .. I’ll wait …..
I want to see more base Sasquatch
You could've used the cameras to watch the wheels go up the ramp. Great video!
Great vid! All that futuristic tech, and Ford doesn't give us a drain plug in that plastic transmission pan. Brilliant!
Love the two door, it's the best offroader and looks. I hope I could get one once prices go down (or at least no greety mark ups) and I'm aiming at a Black diamond since is what I can afford. It has the offroad gear I need to have fun an explorer the outdoors. Would I like a front locker and front bar disconnect? Yes, but I will still be able to go further than a Tacoma TRD PRO or any other pickup truck.
I think the prices will come down as production picks up. I can wait a year to get my own.
@@DanEdmunds next: g class, defender, range rover vogue
Excellent overview of RTI with the Bronco 👍
Dan, another good one from Edmunds Studios.
Love your channel, esp. the fish over-coil skeleton action. Keep it up!
How about a Wrangler? Seems like that should have been the first on the list.
It would have been nice to have mentioned the cameras that are installed specifically to aid with the line of sight issues you discussed. Not quite fair, IMO. Overall a very informative video.
They're pretty fish-eyed, and it's not something you expect to need while parking or squeezing through a gate. They're made to aid off-road spotting, not daily-drive visibility. The problem is even worse looking toward the front passenger corner.
@@DanEdmunds the black handle looking things on the hood are meant to help know where the wheels are and give an idea of where the corner of the vehicle is
Interesting time to upload and fun to see it
That'll be great for getting over those mall parking blocks 🤣
Nice work! I wonder what a stock Tercel 4wd scores on the ramp.
LOL
@@DanEdmunds The combination of a 5 link coil sprung live rear axle with 8in shocks, and 5.5in travel front MacPherson struts makes for interesting combo, especially since the front sway bar makes up half of the lower front wishbone.
@@davidfarmer you were serious?! I would like to see that too if you have one
Btw for those wondering about bump stop mods. I bought a Badlands with 33s after watching this videos for the extra travel offered by the Bilstein. I then swapped them for some 35x12.5 with a 17x8 ET25 wheels and a level kit.
It doesn’t rub when I offroad. So if you have a Sasquatch with the 315/70 17, you can definitely cut down the bump stops slightly.
Cheers
Is it apples to apples with different length vehicles. Won’t longer vehicle fair better or are you accounting for that?
great video straight to the point
Thanks Dan, another very informative video and you keep the content rolling, i.e. no lags. You mentioned that travel is limited on Sasquatch with 35’s. How is it limited and can it be removed? I.e. is it a stop or something.? I’m wondering if I put 2” lift kit then could I gain more travel.
I think it's built into the bump stops within the shocks. I have not gotten direct confirmation of that. But there are no other visible bump stops external to the shocks.
@@DanEdmunds thanks for the quick reply.
I would love to see a lexus GX460 do this test, and maybe some landrover products
Great to see a couple new videos Dan, I enjoy your technical inquiry into these vehicles. Any chance we'll get to see a Raptor on your ramp?
Yes. But I think I'll need a ramp extension. The TRX was a bit too close for comfort. Got to fabricate something.
I would love to see u try a vehicle with air suspension like the new land rover defender, to se how air suspension actually compares
That one is in edit. But I will say that the Defender air suspension operates differently in this regard than the Discovery, LR4 and RR -- all of which I measured before I started shooting video.
@@DanEdmunds great, i would love to see LR4 compared to defender if u have the lr4 recorded, i currently own one and would love to see a video on it
Still looking forward for the Wrangler!
1:30 that’s what the black things on the hood are for. They should be in line with your wheels helping you know where you’re at when you can’t see
Speaking of sway bar disconnects, I think it would be interesting if you tested the Maverick FX4...with and without sway bars. From all these other tests I've been watching, the Maverick seems really stiffly sprung, obviously catering to on-road driving, but the packaging is so perfect for overland trips that it's a shame they don't offer more off-road capability. It seems to me like it would really benefit from just a couple more inches of articulation and disconnecting the sway bars manually might do the trick. Same for the Bronco Sport.
I don't like manually disconnecting stabilizer bars, because you can get in real trouble at high speed if you don't reconnect them -- especially if you equip one with high-mounted gear like a rooftop tent. That's why systems like this auto-reconnect above 20 mph. I think Ford needs to offer a factory-engineered taller suspension option for Maverick and Bronco sport, and I bet they will.
2013 10A Rubicon 3" lift 38" tires, I had 21" with the bar connected, 28" unconnected
The Land Cruisers RTI is still insanely impressive. KDSS gets the job done really well too. The 4runner with KDSS holds its own against serious competition as well. The Bronco and the Toyota with KDSS really show IFS can compete or even beat the solid axle Jeeps.
It's why Land Cruiser is the GOAT. You see them in every country in the most remote regions. Nobody gives a shit about JEEP or bronco outside of the US. In the US JEEP relies heavily on patriotism to sell jeeps.
@@electrikoptik Total BS. I’ve owned and wheeled both 200 Series Land Cruiser and Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. The LC is an overlanding vehicle, nothing more. Jeep’s can wheel AND overland. Not saying one is better and I believe the Toyota is built better overall, but you’re talking out of your a$$. When it comes to wheeling, nothing matches a Wrangler Rubicon.
@@grisa12345 Jeep overlanding. Is this a joke? You mean "Joe American" that has a jeep and goes "overlanding" in his own home state? Or maybe just maybe he goes overlanding from California to Nevada? My friend I've been to Africa/Asia where people trust their lives to a Land Cruiser. Where overlanding is not a fun getaway or hobby. When your wrangler rubicon is rotting away in a junkyard, my father's FJ60 still starts and drive like new.
@@electrikoptik Anecdotes. You lack my credibility and experience with both platforms. Enjoy your Kool Aid.
I like the Land Cruiser, but I have not yet put a 4-door Rubicon on the ramp. We might see a change in the leaderboard when I do.
That's impressive for IFS.👍🏼
Please test the Lexus GX460 on the ramp!
They did a good Job. Still amazed at that Land Cruiser though.
Very well done video!
Should have taken the door off for easier access. Another great video.
Should have taken the flares off, they have a quick disconnect inside on the fender where they connect. Cool video though!
The suspension really reminds me of my Ranger Raptor here in Europe
Yes. This is basically that, except this has a panhard bar instead of a watts linkage.
@@DanEdmunds I’m kinda sad we don’t get the bronco in Europe, but our raptor is pretty cool ngl
If you cant see there is cameras pointed right at the tires for this very purpose
great suv
great test
👍
thank you
That type of vehicle is very impractical, useless and expensive here in the Netherlands but I love them anyway. Oh I have a suggestion: why don't you add a scale on the ramp so you can read off the correct value (including the sin(20 degrees))? You would still need to divide by the wheelbase of course, but it would probably reduce the error margin. You may have talked about that before, sorry if I missed that.
can you do a 99-2000 silverado flex test?
It depends on if you have Sasquatch package for the tire size 35in
Thanks for the video! Just a couple thoughts. Your height measurement should be measured from the top of the gripped threads on the ramp, not the side. Since that is what the tire is sitting on. Also what tire pressure were you running? Any load in the back? Full tank? Both those factors can have an impact on results so just curious
As long as he uses the same spot when he takes measurements, the end results won't change the order.
@@Sacapuntas69 yes but the test is a standardized method of testing so the same controls should be followed by everyone. These flex tests will be compared to others who did them after all. But that was only one variable of the test.
Cant wait for you to get your hands on 300 Series Land Cruiser to throw on the board
Hey where'd you get the ramp from. Thanks
I made it. Designed it myself, bought the materials at a local metal supply house.
Great video
Definately curious how the 4dr compares to the 2dr and the 4Runner.
Yes. I'd love to get a 4-door Badlands and a 2-door Badlands.
Still patiently waiting on the Tacoma flex test :)
So yes or no? Are you impressed with a factory vehicle? Well done.
wow. I learnt alot.
I would of paid more attention in math class if it was taught like this!
Great Vid! you sure know ur stuff!
hi BRING US A TOYOTA PRADO 2010/2013 FOR FLEX TEST we didnt see a PRADO here in your channel. would be great for the prado COMUNITY
Please put time stamps into your videos. It took so long to get to the actual test instead of hearing you just repeat the same complaints
Uhhhh...I can't see the front tire out the window. That's why they've put CAMERAS on the vehicle...
The wide-angle camera images are distorted to the sides. It doesn't help me line up precisely on the ramp, and It can't help prevent desert stripe when playing "operation" while driving along brush-lined trails. It does help with basic tire placement when straddling rocks down the middle, and it's great for peeking over blind crests. But it's not a panacea for tall fenders that block your view over the front corners.
Love to see this with a stock 2door keep as well
I have a plan to put a 2-door Rubicon on the ramp
Land cruiser , Long love the Edmunds flex ramp king
Think JLR would lend you a defender? Would love to see a video on that and compare to this.
4 wheel independent suspension on the defender. It’s not gonna score good. I’m guessing in the 400’s. It might even breakdown while driving up the ramp.
@@electrikoptik hahaha fair point. The air suspension will already be broken.
I have done a Defender. Edit coming soon. I had to wait because I observed something odd, and I wanted to make sure it was operating as intended. It was, so I just need to do a little VO segment to finish it off.
Always love seeing these videos. Thanks Dan! (and anyone who may be behind the scenes or helping in any way at ‘Dan Edmunds Studios’)!!
Just me. That's why I laughed there.
@@DanEdmunds lol kinda figured but didn’t want to assume. Either way love what you do and I hope you keep it up!
I wonder how the 4Runner TRD Pro (with no KDSS) do on this test.
That's coming up soon. I need to edit that one.
please try the defender
Don't know wont they did IFS
My OCD kept me from watching you sitting there waving the metal measuring stick next to the paint and then taking your hand off letting it hold itself.
The fenders are plastic. Never touched the blue stuff.
That little thing will be a mountain goat, same with the two door jeeps
Someone get this man a 4dr badlands non sas!
Yes. I need to check that one for sure.
You look like you may be located in SoCal. If you are and are interested in testing a 2020 defender, shoot me a message. Im willing to lend mine to see how the flex is on it.
Great video. You need to get a 2dr Wrangler Rubicon on there.
That will happen.
@@DanEdmunds Should be a bit over the 700, will educated guess be around 750 to maybe 800. Tested mine on a 23 deg ramp but it was on a very lumpy grass area with a low drop for the for the right front and the ramp was tippy. 718 was the score but was so not optimal that I would just be able to say it flexes but would throw out that score. The tall grass made it really hard to see when the tire started to lift and with the tippy ramp I stopped pretty short.
Why is the lights flickering
Weird, isn't it? And it goes away when the lights are fully on. Something about the frame rate of the camera synching up with the LEDs when they're running at a lower voltage in DRL mode.
Ford raptor flex test please
I'm on the calendar to get one in Novemeber
2nd gen?
How would the non squatch perform?
The only one that performs better than all the others is the Badlands. It has more suspension travel than everything else, plus the stab bar disconnect. Now, Sasquatch is an option there, but I would not recommend going for it. Stick with the Badlands 33" tires and you retain the extra travel and flex. I do need to get one in for that measurement, though
@@DanEdmunds where are you, mine should be coming in this week
I’ve yet to see someone reconnect the anti-sway bar while loaded.
Why would you
I don’t get how 33s would give more travel up the ramp
Because they allow the front and rear shocks to extend farther and grow longer to take full advantage of the smaller radius of the 33" tires in terms of wheelhouse clearance. The Badlands w/o Sasquatch has more suspension travel, and more travel = more flex on the ramp.
Wrangler JLU Rubicon gets 693 with sway bars disconnected.
I have not yet measured a JLUR, but the short wheelbase JLR blows that away. That one is still in edit.
The sway bar thing could be useful for sure, but I think 99% of people are just using it to show off.
I haven't looked at the mechanism so I can't speak to its durability, but I think jeep has the better idea as far as reliability goes, but time will tell, and I am very often wrong.
You know there's a camera that shows your front tires
Yes, but they're pretty fish-eyed. I need to align the tire within an inch or less, and the camera doesn't quite give me the precision I need for that. It does help make sure I'm not going to hit the garage door, though. So I lean out the door and try not to burn my arm on the hot paint instead!