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- Dr. Leighton Flowers discusses the context and meaning of Ephesians 1 with Corey Minor of @smartchristians.
Does Ephesians 1 support Calvinism?
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"He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:2
Amen ! Absolutely 💯
@@CecilSpurlockJr.calvinism is unbiblical. (Without Sabbath defence)
sinning against the Holy Spirit means if anyone say that the works of Holy Spirit is from demons. And you say that the works of demons are from God, meaning if rape, murder, child molesting/trafficking all evil that devil does you calvinist say God did
Lord Jesus died for the World
John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
1 John 2:2
2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
John 6:51 notice world not just elect
God desires all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth.
1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.
Acts 17:30
Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent
Psalm 145:9 The Lord is good to all, And His tender mercies are over all His works
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
Romans 11:32 so that God may show mercy to all.
Ezekiel 18:23; 32
23 Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord GOD, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?
32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!
- God doesn't want anyone to perish but for all to come to repentance
2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
John 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.”
Matthew 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish
- GOSPEL for all nations Luke 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
- Faith comes then we are saved not saved first that's why we believe
Romans 10:17
17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
Notice how it's say when someone COMES to God, he must BELIEVE that He exists. IMPOSSIBLE to please God without FAITH. We must Have Faith to Please God. We must First Believe that God exist. Also notice James in his letter says you believe in God? good. Demons also believes and tremble. But the difference between our belief and demons is that we ALSO believe that God rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. demons diligently do not seek HIM.
2 thess 1:8 says "vengeance on those who don't know God and those who don't obey Gospel of Lord Jesus Christ" doens't say "who God doesn't make Himself known".
John 6:53 unless you eat Lord' supper you don't have life. calvinism reverse it, that you were born with life that's why you eat Supper.
John 6:40 that whosoever believes have eternal life. Meaning belief came first then life.
Heb7:25 saves those who come to God through Jesus( notice first we have to come then we get saved)
Rom 10:14 how will they believe if they HAVE NOT HEARD, how will they hear without a preacher.
Eph 1:13 first belived, then sealed with The Holy Spirit.
Romans 10:9-10, John 3:16, 3:36, 1john etc
Draw near to God and He will draw near to you James 4:8
God doesn't make tempt anyone, He is not an author of sin James 1:13.
sin if from world not God. men love darkness more than light because of their evil deeds, not because of God. (John 3:9)
For all that is in the world the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life is not of the Father but is of the world. 1 John 2:16.
John 8:44 when satan lies, he lies from his own, God doesn't make him lie.
It is devil who makes who has blinded people so they don't believe in Gospel 2 cor 4:4.
2 Timothy 2:20-21 talks about honourable use and dishonourable use of vessel, and says if one wants to be honourable vessel that person ought to cleanse himself i.e repent
- Free will
Jeremiah 19:5
5 (they have also built the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or speak, nor did it come into My mind). Notice the evil people did was not decided by God
Matthew 23:37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not WILLING! (As you can see they are not willing, it not that God is not making them "not willing"
1 cor 9:17 For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have been entrusted with a stewardship.
John 5:40 But you are NOT WILLING TO COME to Me that you may have life
John 7:17 If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine
2 Chronicles 30:9 For if you return to the Lord, your brethren and your children will be treated with compassion by those who lead them captive, so that they may come back to this land; for the Lord your God is gracious and merciful, and will not turn His face from you if you return to Him.”
Joshua 24:15 "choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve"
Israelites didn't had life because they were not WILLING to follow Jesus. John 5:40
Isaiah 30:15
1 Peter 5:2
Heb 2:1
Philemon 1:14
Luke 6:38; 15:10
Heb 3:14-15
14 For we have become partakers of Christ IF WE HOLD THE BEGINNING OF OUR CONFIDENCE STEADFAST TO THE END
15 while it is said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS as in the rebellion.”
- One can repent. Matt 21:28-32. The other son didn't go and sinned
Resistible Grace
Matthew 23:37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
James 5:19-20 one can lose Salvation with free will and choice
Nehemiah 9:30 God drawn them, but they have not listenend
1 tim 1:19 once can reject Salvation
Mark 16:14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen.
Jeremiah 32:33 God had taught them yet they turned their back and didn't listened to God
2 Tim 2:12
2 chro 15:2; 24:20
1 Chor 28:9
- God regretted
Genesis 6:6-7
6 And the Lord regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I regret that I have made them.”
1 Samuel 15:11, 35
11 “I greatly regret that I have set up Saul as king, for he has turned back from following Me, and has not performed My commandments.” And it grieved Samuel, and he cried out to the Lord all night.
35 And Samuel went no more to see Saul until the day of his death. Nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul, and the Lord regretted that He had made Saul king over Israel.
Mark 6:6 And He marveled because of their unbelief. Then He went about the villages in a circuit, teaching.
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Lord Jesus Christ died for everyone not only the elect
Romans 10:13
13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Romans 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
John 1:29
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
John 3:15-17
1 John 2:2
2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world
God is impartial Romans 2:11, Gal 2:6, Eph 6:9
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- A listener pointed out another example in scripture where being called “dead” doesn’t mean that the person cannot respond positively. Abimelech is called “a dead man” but still given an opportunity to change course so as to live (Genesis 20:3,7)
- If God pre-decideds everything in my life (even sin), then why I'm the one who is supposed to be punished? Didn't God made me decided that I'll do (commit) that sin..
- "God is not being unjust because God is just leaving them in their sin". But isn't God the one who already decided that what sin they will commit? If God is the one making him sin then why should that person recieve punishment
- If a elect and non-elect baby is , and both standing in front of The Judgement seat, what will God say to the non-elect baby? "Your sin is that you were born".
Yes, jew and gentile. What a horrible thought to think that Christ died for the sins of someone in hell!
@KnightFel well HE certainly did according to scripture
@@KnightFel that’s kind of the point brother. Whether we accept it or not is another issue. Colossians 1 says He reconciled ALL things under creation unto Himself. That doesn’t equate to universalism though? It shows that He is all powerful enough to cleanse the corruption of all of creation and yet we must choose by free will to have faith and live accordingly to that sacrificial reconciliation.
Lord bless you, Leighton. I like the analogy of escaping to a tower in the middle of the city. Those who go in are destined to be safe.
The Passover is a direct biblical analogy that makes the exact same point. Those who put the blood of the Lamb on their homes and go inside are predestined to live.
Well done, Leighton, so cordial yet straightforward!!
Dear friends in Christ, please pray for me and the children
As a Calvinist I always changed Ephesians 1 in my head to say “Chosen “to be” in Him”
Rather than what the text says, which is “Chosen in Him”
That still doesn't support Flowers' idea that faith is of our own doing. Read Eph 2:8 where Paul explicitly tells us where saving faith comes from.
@@scienceandbibleresearchlol, where faith comes from isn’t in Ephesians 2:8 at all. Calvinists wouldn’t even say that. You’re mistaken. It says where salvation comes from which is by grace through faith (which by the way means the faith clearly precedes the faith because the faith must be there in order for the grace to come through it. It’s like saying I came through my mother. Obviously my mother came first.) secondly, the Bible tells us exactly where faith comes from: so then Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17. So it clearly isn’t some supernatural inner working that magically happens to an individual. No, instead, God searches the heart and sees who is truly humble and faithful.
Very weak argument Kory. I love you bro but I see you being kinda hard headed here it seems . I hope you come around to just drop calvinism all together my friend. GOD bless
All too often people get into the Greek looking to see if it says something which it doesn't say in the English. Typically this is done to affirm one's presuppositions.
Very true! I've said that many times!
Yep.
I've learned more studying contextually, than looking up greek words
We call it Greekegesis!🤣🤣 Like I heard a certain Calvinist say, "What good does reading Greek do if you can't understand what the Bible says in English?"
Corey is notorious for flexing references to Greek, (as is James White). As a student of the dead languages myself, more often than not I don’t see a need for this in much of what they say, other than to add faux authority to some presupposition.
In Ephesians 1, Paul is explaining, just like he’s doing in Romans 8, all of the blessings that have now ALSO come to the Gentiles. All of the blessings had been thought to only belong to the Jews, but the “great mystery” that had “now been revealed” was that God did NOT leave anyone out of his election, he has elected all people. The Jews were chosen through the forefathers, everyone else was chosen in Christ.
@@TheRomans9Guy plan and simple
Universalism? Or were the Jews blessed with a level of knowledge and access that everyone now has?
@@jeffreybomba Universalism is the idea that all people will be saved and receive eternal life. I don’t believe Universalism is correct. In many places in the NT, Jesus or the disciples are correcting Jewish errors. One of the Jewish errors was that they believed and taught that when God chose the Jews as his people, it meant that he hated all non-Jews, and cast them out of his kingdom. When people objected to them, ‘you think God created all mankind but loves only the Jews? He hates all other people?’ They replied ‘yes!’ This was categorically wrong.
But how would you correct it? The OT clearly shows that God chose/elected the Jews. Jesus, and later his disciples, corrected that by saying, yes, God chose the Jews, first, but he chose everyone else, second/also. No one is not chosen. He chose the Jews through Abraham Isaac and Jacob, but he chose everyone else through Christ. All people are loved by God.
What does this choosing mean? It means he loves all of us and has paved a path to salvation for all of us. Now, anyone, not just Jews, who surrender to God and have faith, to them he will grant eternal life. See Rom 5:18, 11:32, Matthew 22…
Paul did not say God choosen all people. He said clearly US. Us mean church only. Don't teach falsely. You're sinning against the Lord. Teaching a fault doctrine is sin.
@@suganemmenaul Stop sinning against the Lord and teaching falsely. The “us” in Ephesians 1:1-11 means us-Gentiles, until Paul clearly indicates the change in verse 12.
And Paul’s message IS that all are chosen. Coming in to Ephesians 1 you need to know that the world has believed up until Jesus came that God chose the Jews only. In verse 11 Paul says God ALSO chose us Gentiles. Then in Ephesians 2 he goes on to be very clear that before, it was thought that the Jews and Gentiles were separated by God, but now it has been made clear that God has made ONE HUMANITY out of the two. Notice he doesn’t say one church out of the two. This is key.
In verse 2:19 he reiterates clearly that the Gentiles and Jews are all God’s people, i.e. ALL are chosen. And he further goes on in 3:6 to say the same thing. That the Jews are not the only heirs/children of God, the Gentiles are also heirs/children of God.
You can deny it if you want to, but this is clearly the teaching of the NT.
Excellent job Dr. Flowers, Cory just cannot accept simple logic, reasoning and the plain reading of scripture.
Thank you Corey and Leighton for this respectful discussion. I appreciate and enjoy following both of your channels.
bro, me and a guy called Wes just finished debating Ephesians 1, this same hour the video was uploaded to UA-cam lol
Corey's a Calvinist.... Called him out many times... Just for him to deflect each time, then he continues teaching the doctrines of grace.
Stealth Calvinism. Can't believe a Christian would be so intellectually dishonest.
@@AndrewKeifer Exactly, you're right!!! Literally horrendous how sneaky it is.
Stealthy or confused?
@@Colbychristie Stealthy...I literally called Corey out for his Calvinism and he told me "I never said regeneration precedes faith". Corey is a liar, hate to be so blunt about it. At this point, Corey KNOWS, and has dug deeper into teaching the doctrines of grace while also saying he doesn't. Someone confused would consider the correction, not just SAY you're "open" to it. He's not open to being corrected cuz when he's corrected,he rejects it.
@@Colbychristie some people, who happen to also be Calvinists, have been known to deliberately hide or be ambiguous about their doctrine in order to deceive pastoral search teams for churches. They do this so they can get into a church and change it into a reformed church. One such individual even bragged about doing it in an online forum. There are witnesses and receipts.
I always read slowly slowly slowly with my Calvanist Friends. And ask them. Can we both agree that no matter what,,, we must agree that Eph 1.4 does not SAY. ""God has chosen us TO BE in HIM"" . I had to read it 10 times with one of my friends . Almost pointing to the words like a child. Till he admitted, ok. It doesn't say God has chosen us TO BE IN HIM. Then I say . "Then can we say . God has chosen us in him for a purpose, ie to be be holy. . The blindness of what is seen in the mind and not what's on the paper is remarkable.
Amazing isn’t it. And as irritating if an example as it is, how much do we all tend to do this with all of scripture. Lord help us
Change the "Fortress" analogy to "Arc" or "Home with lambs blood on the door post" or "Rahabs house with a scarlet cloth" lol
God teaches how we're saved with the Scriptures❤
Pro 18:10 KJV - 10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.
Psa 61:3 KJV - 3 For thou hast been a shelter for me, and a strong tower from the enemy.
What kind of creator creates people and condemn them before they are born? When some are chosen to be in Christ and some aren't, that is the same as condemning some..
The unbiblical kind.
No "to be" in that verse
Awesome team up. Between Corey's Greek reading and Flower's fluency in the calvinism cult, I am sure the enemy does not want these brothers in agreement.
Amen, Calvinism IS a Cult!
So grateful for Leighton and his way to share this with Corey. I debated Corey on this. I'm glad he's open to Leighton now.
Is it just me, or do Calvinists use over complicated words and sentences (verbal gymnastics) giving very confusing and muddy points. While people like Leighton speak plainly and simplistically and make solid, clear points.
Yes. Calvinism is built on ambiguities that can be pulled from these passages. They then forcibly interpret the hundreds of passages that plainly do not fit. This is how all false teaching is built.
Both using verbal gymnastic to defend their position. But the simple definition is the election in Ephesians 1:4
I saw this on his channel, but his views at the end sound wrong.
Right, I honestly don't even think he cares about Leighton's view or anyone else's. He reads the comments almost the entire interview with whoever he has on. He probably just sits at home reading comments all day. You can tell in this video he's not listening, just reading the pep squad in the comments. It drives me nuts when youtubers just read the comments. He's not alone but hes probably the worst. Which is funny because he's not worried what people think lol.
Great explanation Leighton. The common challenge I encounter with Calvinists is that they read themselves into the text and read over the original audience. Great job bringing the discussion back to the context of the text.
It is a very good question of Dr. Flowers “who is us”!
When one writes an epistle, one does not write to “us”, but to “you”.
Worth not making any assumptions and instead checking out how the text itself defines explicitly these two groups and who they are (the text does indeed).
Ephesians make that distinction - starting from the group “us” in Eph 1:3-12, and defining that group of “us” in verse 12, then introducing group “you” in verse 13, continuing with that group also at the beginning of chapter 2, then mentioning “we all”, in verse 3, then almost every second verse from “you” to “us”;
The difference of “us” and “you” become very explicit in the second part of chapter 2; even later Paul makes a point how both became one new man from BOTH;
Paul addresses only “you” in vs 2:11, describe the state of you and how Christ proclaim peace to you who are far, and then “us BOTH” uniting in one new man. The you and us are still identifiable but are being part of the new identity.
This fits into the whole narrative of first three chapter, how God chooses in Christ group “us”, reveal to them the mystery of summing up or recapitulating everything in Christ, and how these two groups in Christ become one new man. The group “you” as a result is not anymore strangers, but fellow citizens,
is built on the same foundation of apostles and prophets, grow into the same building.
The pattern of the narrative looks similar to that of the olive tree of Roman’s 11 of gentiles being grafted into the olive tree.
The uniting of “us” and “you”, ie jews and gentiles becomes part of the large master plan of recapitulating all things in heaven and earth, or partial fulfillement of it.
Pronouns matter.
Calnivist focused is on "Election", "Predestination" but not on "Relation".
The god of calvinism is just a bully saying, "Why are you hitting yourself?" while slapping you with your own hand.
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Kory is wrong on so many levels but it's not on purpose I don't think. He's just doctrimally possessed like so many others.
At this point it's purposeful, he's been called out many times on his false doctrines just to reject correction and continue teaching falsely!
@Grounded_InThe_Gospel1 trust me , I know where you're coming from my friend, but indoctrinal possession is a hard thing to resist and especially hard to overcome.
It's a spirit, confusion spirit.. very hard to overcome, usually accompanied by pride@@CecilSpurlockJr.
Scenario:
Imagine 2 groups of people standing around.
Paul's side are believers, then the other side are non believers.
A line was drawn in the sand and we have Paul and all the believers standing with him telling the other side(non believers) "God chose US in Christ before the foundation of the world. He didn't choose you guys."
THEN, calvinism.....you might have an argument.
Dr. Flowers, it would be great one day to see on your channel interview on election with Chadwick Thornhill
(The Chosen People: Election, Paul and Second Temple Judaism)
Enjoyed the discussion.
Great work!
*Ephesians 1:13* AMP
_In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God]._ 😊🙏
Please keep focusing on soteriology! I wish you could do it FULL TIME! Perhaps God has raised you up to be a one-stringed banjo player… for such a time as this!!!
Great discussion
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Corey says I don't believe x,y,z at the beginning of the video then goes on to say but I believe x,y,z 🤦
@@ThePreacherman9 Exactly!!! That's what I call a liar !!
@@Grounded_InThe_Gospel1exactly
Awesome job Leighton. Where can I watch the full show?
I don't see it but do you post a link to the full show on these clips? That would be helpful for people who like to listen to the whole show
The link is at the end of this video, 15:11.
1 Timothy 2:3-4 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
...how can this be unless God chooses or has chosen all men?
What about the view that the "us" and "we" in verses 1-12 refers only to Paul and the apostles and prophets? Verse 12 is explicit: "In order that we, who were the *first* (i.e. not the Ephesians, it's Paul and the apostles and prophets) to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory." Then in v. 13 Paul writes "and you also..." where he begins referring to the Ephesians. In v. 9 where Paul writes "He made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure..." the "us" there definitely seems to refer to the apostles and prophets, as
Paul says explicitly 2 chapters later in 3:4-6 that the mystery of Christ has been revealed by the Spirit to God's holy apostles and prophets. The mystery is that the Gentiles are heirs along with Israel, i.e. there is no more dividing wall, no hostility, there is total unity (Ephesians 1:10). Read Ephesians 1 as a foreshadowing of all the discussion to come about the dividing wall between Jew and Gentile being broken down, and it makes perfect sense.
The problem we often have is that we do not try to understand where Paul gets his theology.
You have commercials in your videos now. 😢
Very well articulated Leighton
Cory is still too caught up in himself
What I think
Am I saved
Can I lose MY salvation
All Calvinists though they dispute it are
really only concerned about themselves
The Gospel is about Jesus
John 14:6
"I" have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer "I" who live, but CHRIST who lives in me
The life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the SON OF GOD, who loved me and gave HIMSELF for me.
All Gods blessings were prepared "before the foundation of the world," "It's not about you "chosen before the foundation of the world." It's when you believe, then you are in Christ. Nothing to with the Calvinist view that you we're "chosen before the foundation of the world!"..
Analogy would be the plane is predestined, but only those who are on board are predestined to a destination.
Από καταβολής κόσμου. The same phrase is use to talk about prophets killed in Luke 11. Unless we are willing to say Abel was killed before the foundation of the world and not when the foundation of the world or at the foundation of the world, we can't say we were elected before we were even born. The same phrase also talks about Jesus being killed since the foundation of the or from the foundation of the world in Revelation. That means the gospel being preached right there also at the foundation of the world in Genesis 3.
Is there a longer video?
Yeah
If you'll click the video title (Im on a phone), click "more".
Dr. Heiser pointed out that election is not necessarily salvation. Case example, Israel is elected but not all Israel is saved. In my determination that one must take advantage of the gift offered. Now the Spirit leads you to that point but you must accept the offer.
God is not willing that any should perish
any of the elect
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How can any elect perish if they were predestined not to perish. Circular reasoning?
Leighton once again helps us to understand that the Bible doesn't mean what it says and teaches if it hurts his feelings.
Maybe you were not predestined to understand.
@@gene4231 Predestined has to do with one's final destination. That's why it's called Predestination. And you're not suggesting that Predestination isn't Biblical, are you?
Very interesting conversation. Even though Paul is writing to believers in Ephesus, his message does not exclude believers in Corinth, and in my opinion, does not exclude those who are children (offspring, genos) of God and who live and move and have their being in Him, but have not yet believed.
In the end we know that every tongue will confess Jesus Christ as Lord to the glory of the Father. Therefore they too were chosen in Christ before time.
I understand that this is referred to by many as universalism but if God truly is love (a noun) and not like Zeus or Baal, and His will is for all His offspring to be saved, then nothing short of that is acceptable for our omnipotent and omniscient Father.
I think interpreting scripture all comes down to our perception of who Father, Son, and Spirit are, and how they operate.
The Zeus like god sends 80 to 90% or more of his children to hell, while the loving Father saves all His.
Both can be proof texted from scripture but only one is consistent with love and the life and ministry of Jesus and how He presented the Father.
The first verse does not say those who are fruitful in Christ. It says to the faithful in Christ. They didn't put their fruit in Christ, they put their faith. It's faith in Christ that predestinates
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Corey therein lies the issue Minor........
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Just read Eph 2:8 where Paul clears up any misgivings about how a dead sinner believes. Answer: It's all a gift!
Gifts aren't forced on you.
@@UnfrozenCavemanLawyer-xq1qi : It's not forced. You willingly and gladly receive it because you've been changed.
Salvation by grace through faith IS the gift - the whole package, not just faith.
@@bobthrasher8226 : Exactly!
God chose the apostles. You also can just go back to Verse One.
I was watching Cory a lot a couple years ago. I think he's genuine but something is off about him
I'm so thankful that Flowers is wrong on his doctrine of predestination. The Lord keeps us everyday. If I could lose my salvation I would have given I up along time ago. The spirit in me causes me to press on because of the true saving love of Christ that has been shown to me. I can proclaim the gospel with out reservations because it's not up to me it's up to God who saves.
What if you didn't understand "perseverance" correctly? In other words, what if it is possible to walk away? Pascal's-Wager your position....
@@bobthrasher8226 I think doctrinally ,it more like preservation of the saints.
Nobody ever "lost" his salvation. But some have walked away from it. God won't keep someone in the Kingdom if he doesn't want to stay. That would be Calvinism. You believe God irresistibly draws them into the Kingdom(even if kicking and screaming) and then irresistibly keeps them in the Kingdom(even if kicking and screaming) to get out. Think about it.
You are making salvation a complicated issue. Have faith in Christ.
But for whom did Christ die?
@@TheFinalJigsaw Everyone
@@gk.4102 False sorry
Everyone, all, the world
14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
2 Corinthians 5:14
Before the foundation of the world, in Eph 1: 4, is about the first prophecy about Jesus in Gen 3: 15. Not before Gen 1: 1.
Don't worry smart Christian channel man because be twists the scriptures and make things up, things that oppose the Bible. God has chosen a body, the body of Christ which is made up from everyone who chooses to receive salvation by their own free will. God doesn't choose the individual person.
Corey the Calvinist.
Were the ephesians spiritually dead? No. They had a god on every corner
Please can someone explain to me that I can choose Christ but I won't because of my sin nature, actually makes sense. Corey often says this but it seems like double speak. Corey you are not making sense to me. Make it make sense
It goes like this: Sinners have the duty and ability to choose Christ. But they won't because they are unwilling. Their inability is the result of their self-centered will.
@@scienceandbibleresearch So in what sense do they have the ability, if they have not been chosen for eternal life?
Calvinism and the way a lot of Calvinists interpret the Bible seems to be pure Philosophy
@@WayneFocus : They have the ability but are unwilling. God makes the elect willing. It's a matter of distinguishing between our responsibility and God's choice.
@@WayneFocus : "Calvinism and the way a lot of Calvinists interpret the Bible seems to be pure Philosophy."
- No. It's a matter of applying equal weight to all of Scripture: the parts that speak of man's responsibility and man's unwillingness, and God's choice.
Once you understand determinism, “You must place your faith in Christ” is so dishonest or disingenuous.
Salvation does not depend on our behavior! It’s by faith alone! We don’t have to keep our salvation! I’m so tired of hearing this BS!
About ten minutes in you have him stumped. He’s desperate and reaching for pas or pan because he can’t straight forward answer the question without assuming that God chose people to believe, knowing that there is no verb “to be.” I hope he wrestles with this and abandons his beliefs and clings to Scripture.
Corey's rambling is simply difficult to listen to.
Corey is out of his depth here