I wish my dear friends and family members would ‘dare’ to check out Leighton’s podcast. There’s a lot of indoctrination and fear in these circles - not to mention pride and stubbornness.
I wasn't originally a Calvinist, but the more one studies the more one comes to understand the truth. Keep studying. Stop listening to Arminians until you understand the fallacies of their arguments. They oppose Jesus' teachings.
All you who speak highly of Leighton Flowers should study God's word more. Read it all and eventually you will run into this one: Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. And stop hating those you call Calvinists. Even if you consider them enemies, you are still called to love them. Luke 6:27
@@jeremiah5319I at one time had my foot in Calvinism, and the the more I studied the more I understood it wasn't true; by the way, I'm not an Arminian. That is just a tweaked version of Calvinism. Your failure to understand this might be part of your problem.
Hebrews 3:7,15 Hebrews 4:7 and Psalm 95:7 all say "Today, if you will hear His voice..." This is His drawing, which can be resisted because it is followed by "harden not your heart"
@@RenardGarzaro I think you forget the context of Mathew 16, this is after the feeding of the 4000 this establishes (atleast in the eyes of those who listened and learned from the father) that Jesus was the Prophet like Moses. This is Peter's profession of faith declared after Jesus' constantly revealing who he was through multiple miracles (That only God can do) that already happened. I dont think this means the Father just revealed the knowledge at that time base on the whole context of Mathew. Mathew actually strengthens Dr Flower's view if put into correct context that the pharisees did not listen to Jesus unlike the Apostles who listened and learned. Mathew 16:8-9 Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? Mathew 16:13 -16 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
@@LindsayJackel Maybe he's one of "Brown's Clowns" like Anathema (who calls himself "Altheia") and Manichean Jokes (who calls himself "Manasseh Jones"). Jim Brown's cult, which calls itself "Grace and Truth Ministries" despite having neither grace nor truth, is a hyper-Calvinist cult whose members reject the "Calvinist" label while dialing all of Calvinism's false teachings up to 11. Brown also encourages his minions to spread his lies on social media, which "kgar5String" seems to live on, throwing Calvinist nonsense all over the place while piously lying and saying he's not a Calvinist...
Wow, Dr. Flowers . . . I know the Gospel of John very well, but you just explained some things to me so CLEARLY!!! I can't believe I missed those things . . . I need to take my own advice, what I tell my grandkids, "There is ALWAYS more to learn from the scriptures!!! Usually & especially scripture that you feel that you know so well - guess you become so familiar with it that you tend to gloss over what you are reading!!! Incredible learning session for me on this one - THANK YOU!!!
Rom 7:15-24: ¹⁵ For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. ¹⁶ If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. ¹⁷ Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. ¹⁸ For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. ¹⁹ For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. ²⁰ Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. ²¹ I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. ²² For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: ²³ But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. ²⁴ O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Thank you for explaining this important passage of scripture. I've read it many times without the full contextual picture that you provided, so you've helped me to understand it better. He answers our prayers for wisdom!
So solid here, Bro Leighton. I'm so glad we can look into the eyes of all we preach to or share with and get personal and say, "God loves you. Jesus died for you. Jesus paid It all, and calls you now to 'Come to Me'. Come to Christ and He will save you now." Very clear and simple, the gospel. ☝️😎
Please know that many Calvinists believe it not out of stubborness, but sincerely understanding it that way. I know coz I used to think that way, and for a long time too! And i was honestly and sincerely turning the arguments for both sides on my mind. Just asking for a little grace for others like me 😊 I also remember Pastor John Piper saying that he has friends on both sides of the argument. And he believes that although one of those sides can be wrong, both can still go to heaven. This is not to say that we should stop seeking the truth. This is just an appeal for some grace. ❤
I don't know how much you've listened to Dr. Flowers. Perhaps you're new to his videos. I will say as I've listened, I haven't heard much that hasn't been gracious. He may make a sarcastic comment here and there, but I've heard him debate ungracious Calvinists, while being respectful. Hewas a Calvinist himself, for 10 years. But i think if you watch him a lot, you'll see the grace stand out, especially when he's disagreeing with others.
A common mistake in misquoting John 6:44 is elimination of the modal verb "can" which causes a flawed takeaway of "No man comes to me except the Father draw him." This error cause a positive evaluation of the exception clause to be inevitability as opposed to ability as communicated by Scripture - the drawn one CAN come. Listen carefully to Mr. Henry's summation of the verse early in the video, around the 27 second mark "No one come(s) to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him..."
@@williammarinelli2363 Exactly. Calvinistic individuals always tend to read John 6:44 as if the word "can" isn't there, not understanding that the removal/dismissal of the word "can" changes the entire meaning of the sentence. "Bob can come to my house on the weekends" AND "Bob comes to my house on the weekends" Are two different sentences with completely different meanings.
@@losnfjslefn8857 rubbish. Calvinists see the word "can" in John 6:44. It's the Armenians who ignore the word. No man CAN come to Christ unless the Father draws them. Pretty simple, really.
@@jamesers99 "It's the Arminians who ignore the word." I'm not here for a Calvinist v Arminians debate. I'm not Arminian, I'm assuming you're not either, so let's just leave Arminians out of this. All I'm saying is, *in my personal experience* , when I've spoken to Calvinists about this verse, they read and understand it AS IF it says "No man *comes* ...", because when I point out that John 12:32 says Christ draws ALL when He is lifted up, they immediately push back on it. "If ALL were drawn, then ALL would come! And we know not ALL come, so ALL can't literally mean ALL are drawn!" 🔼 They'll say something like that. Do you see the problem?
John 6:44 KJV "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." - In general this is my interpretation of that text., Lets begin with the simple text, In John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.".. It clearly says Jesus came to do the Father's will, and that is to look and believe in His Son (John 6:40)..But believe is started in hearing The word of God(Rom. 10:17).. And the Word that spoke by Jesus is from the Father himself.. We can assure this from the Father through Father's voice in heaven says, Luke 9:35 - "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.. This also supported i the text in Heb. 1:1-2 The statement of John in 6:44 can be understood as the one who first draws a man is the Father because the words spoke by Jesus is from the Father, in this the drawing from the Father begins by His Word through Jesus words. And when someone listen and believe what Jesus taught, that Word is the tools or medium using by the Father which make that person come to the Son Jesus, and believe that He is really indeed the true Messiah, then Jesus promised that this people drawn by the Father (through Jesus teaching) will come and believe in His Son Jesus.. That's why The Father is the first who doi the drawing men and thats through Jesus teaching (because Jesus teaching came from the Father) , and those who will listen and believe will come to Jesus and continue growing in believing in Him with the promise of eternal life(raising up on the last day) .
Imagine not being able to tell someone, anyone, that Jesus loves them because you risk telling them a lie? You can't tell your neighbor, your friend, your aunt, your uncle, your teacher, your barber, your mom, your dad, or even yourself that Jesus unequivocally, without exception, loves them. Because, in Calvinism, you just never know for sure until you see those pearly gates up ahead whether you were truly elect to persevere to the end or be reprobate? Only Jesus knows for certain who Jesus loves forever. That's what the Bible teaches? Not at all.
Oh the debate covering this subject will never stop. But certainly, I will never agree with calvinism no matter how hard a calvinist tries to. I guess the line is drawn here. I support Leighton Flowers's articulation of what I have always believed that there is a condition for salvation. A condition of "whosoever believes..." and so on and so forth. God bless those who sincerely love the Lord Jesus Christ, including Calvinist brethren.
@@RenardGarzarobrother or sister, your hermeneutics in my opinion is unsound. I'm sure you believe it for certain that your interpretation is right. Not to me but that's ok, I have my own verses and interpretations which would counter yours. However, let's leave it that at that. Let's just agree to disagree. God bless you.
@@John3.36 What a relief to know that I've hardened my heart against Calvinism. As long as I've not hardened my heart against God, then all is very well and good!
@@John3.36 Which means God hardened their heart against Calvinism according to Calvin's definition of God's sovereignty. So God decided they shouldn't be Calvinists
John 6:37 ALL (the elect chosen IN CHRIST from eternity past, Ephesians 1:4) that the Father gives Me (as a love gift from the Father to the Son) WILL (Thy people shall be willing in the day of Thy power, Psalm 110:3) come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out (the good Shepherd who loses none of His sheep, John 10:28). John 6:39 This is the will of Him (Father) who sent Me (Son), that of ALL that He has GIVEN Me I lose nothing (Good Shepherd), but raise it up on the last day (salvation in Christ). John 6:44 No one can (has the ability to) come to Jesus /have faith (total depravity, total inability) unless the Father draws /drags (compels with irresistible authority) him and Jesus will raise him (same him) up at the last day (salvation in Christ, perseverance of the Saints). The drawing is effective. The same him drawn is the same him raised. 100 percent of those God draws/drags are raised. John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall ALL be TAUGHT of God.’ EVERYONE who has HEARD (from the Father) and LEARNED from the Father, COMES to Me. This is the explanation of how the drawing works. Notice that ALL of those people COME to Jesus. ALL DRAWN (being TAUGHT by God - active, hearing and learning - passive) COME to Jesus. Everyone taught, everyone hearing, everyone learning comes to Christ. This communication of knowledge is effective. There is no one of whom the Father has revealed this knowledge who does not come to Christ. John 6:65 “Therefore I (Jesus) have said to you that NO ONE can (has the ability to) come to Me unless it has been GRANTED (given, a divine act) to him by My Father.” This is accomplished through the drawing (v44) of God by His being taught, hearing, and learning from God. Being granted/given and being drawn by the Father are the same thing. This is a divine act of God. It's not an attempt by God or a provision of God. This act of God is personal, by name, for His people. God uses His word to regenerate His elect people with an effectual call.
Arminians cannot understand this as it doesn't make sense and EVERYONE knows that God ALWAYS makes perfect sense. Like in the following scriptures: 2 Cor 5:21 "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." If you want to be rich sell everything you have and give it to the poor. “Then Jesus, said to him, “Go sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven…" Matt 19:21 Lose so you can gain! “For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ.” Philippians 3:8 If you want to be exalted, humble yourself. “Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.” James. 4:10 If you want to be first, be last. “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.” Matthew 20:16 If you want to be strong, be weak. “For when I am weak, then I am strong.” 2 Corinthians 12:10 If you want to be free, become a slave. “But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.” Romans 6:22 If you want to live, you must die. “For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.” Matthew 16:25
I was discipled by Calvanists who really hurt my faith-It was like spirtual rape, they hurt my relationship with God tremendously, made me fear him, and it took me years to get out of it. ❤
@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 yes but His perfect love casts out fear (1 John 4:18) So knowing God and learning wisdom begins with fear, but must transfer to intimate worship in which the believer feels secure in order to proceed with a life of confident faith.
At about the 6:45 mark, he says Calvinists can’t say that “Jesus died for everyone.” Is that an accurate interpretation of irresistible grace? Wouldn’t the Calvinist say “Jesus’ sacrifice is sufficient for all but effective for the elect”?
Christ's blood was sufficient for all but only efficacious for many. Isaiah 53:11-12 "By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities...And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors.” What did Jesus Christ say about His work at Calvary; was it for ALL or just many? Matthew 20:28 "...the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for MANY.” Mark 14:24 “And he said unto them, This is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many.” John 17:2-3 “As You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as MANY as You have given Him.” Acts 2:39 “For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” Acts 13:48 “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.” Romans 8:29 “For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among MANY brethren.” Romans 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience MANY were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience MANY will be made righteous." Hebrews 2:10 “For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.” Hebrews 9:28 “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” Bore their iniquities-bore their sins-ransomed-shed His blood-gave eternal life-called-ordained-predestined-made righteous all or just many. Sorry Arminians many NOT all.
The word "draw" in Greek means to move something or someone that is incapable or unwilling to do so. This is the same word used in Acts 21 when the Jews had Paul tied up and dragged him out of the temple (verse 30). The immediate implication of John 6: 44 is that people are bound in their sin and are in need of Jesus coming along to drag them into His kingdom. This is why Jesus came to this earth, because none of us are capable of reaching God's kingdom on our own, not by the exertion of our own will or otherwise. Jesus lived the life we could not and died the death we deserved. He was raised to life for our justification so that everyone who believes shall not perish but have everlasting life.
I have heard Calvinists say that the word draw in John 6:44 means to drag in Greek as opposed to draw your attention. I am not a Calvinists, but I am curious if this is true or not.
Rom 7:15-24: ¹⁵ For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. ¹⁶ If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. ¹⁷ Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. ¹⁸ For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. ¹⁹ For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. ²⁰ Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. ²¹ I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. ²² For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: ²³ But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. ²⁴ O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
It can mean dragging, and is used that way in other verses, but if you do a word study, “draw” (G1670, the word “helko”) in John 6:44 refers to leading, not dragging. And it’s further defined as God’s moral and spiritual influence working in the heart of a person. It’s not a forced thing. It’s God leading a person on a journey to recognize his true Gospel so that they can then respond to it in faith or rejection. And it’s THAT choice that we are held accountable for.
From personal experience - I knew about Christianity for years before I really believed. My faith started after a mysterious change in my heart that i have a hard time explaining.
John 6:37,39,44,63,65: ³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. … ³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. … ⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. … ⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. … ⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
How ironic that so many people deny the sovereign election of God, which is found all over the Bible, while strenuously holding to the notion of "free will", which is found nowhere in the Bible.
This is getting so frustrating! Jesus was speaking to people who THOUGHT they were the people of God but they did not know HIm because their forefathers walked away from Him and TAUGHT them of a false god in the name of the God of Abraham Izach and Jacob. Had they been TAUGHT of the one true God they would have been drawn to the Son...only those who HEAR and LEARN from the Father via people who know the one true God will be drawn to the Son because HE is the ONLY one who will. Teachings of false gods will not draw a man to the Son, they will guide you away from Him. John 5:37 “And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.” God used these very people to serve His purpose by leaving THEM in their folly for that time knowing they would cry CRUCIFY because Jesus didn't have the voice of their god (blasphemy). After the resurrection everything CHANGED, the veil was lifted and now all can come to Him via the record that God gave of His Son. God provided everything everyone needs to KNOW HIM...we are in the time of "but now" because all has been REVEALED. Be careful what teachers you FREELY give your ears to because we can become ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth...if we have any doubt we must give our ears to other teachers. I'm guilty of only giving my ears to the Roman Catholic church system for 46 years even with many many doubts and I will not blame anyone but myself. God sent His people to me and I turned them away. STOP blaming God for the people who don't know Him after He made Himself known is such a profound way, so that we may know HIm.
A woman named Lydia was listening; she was a seller of purple fabrics from the city of Thyatira, and a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul. Acts 16:44
Do you have any commentary recommendations that are similar to God's Word for you series or Christ Centered Exposition Commentary series that's not from a reformed influence?
Hey @Soteriology101 what if there is ANOTHER possible interpretation for this? What if John 6:44 applies specifically to Jews AT THE TIME who were to be Jesus DISCIPLES? What if John 6:39 and John 6:40 are referring to a DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE? This would ALSO negate the Calvinistic interpretation and has merit.
Or one can then apply Exodus 33:19 and Ezekiel 37 whilst one wonders about Ephesians 2. Or even see the repeat in Romans 9? Is it up to man or up to God? Leighton and most of the commenters on this page reckons it's up to man to decide. I wonder what would have happened if Abram said - "Sorry, God, I'm not going anywhere - find someone else" Or is Israel a very peculiar pick made by God alone - out of all the nations on earth?
In sum, "all who learn from the Father come to me" of John 6:44 means that only those Jews who understand and the true message of the Law and Prophets (the OT teachings) will come to Jesus because He is what the Law and Prophets are about. This must be said to contrast with the Pharisees, who claim to follow the Law of Moses, but have not even understood or refuse to learn the lessons from the Law and Prophets (like love God with all your hear and love your neighbor). Jesus rebukes them in John 5 that they study the Scriptures but do not believe the Scriptures, because the Scriptures speak about Christ. Moses wrote about Christ (as you can see in passages like Deuteronomy 18 about the Prophet like Moses who will come).
How did that happen? Leighton teaches Biblical Christianity, not Roman Catholicism. I grew up Catholic and now I am free in Jesus! I don’t pray to Mary anymore, she can’t hear anyone on Earth!
Keep reading, with verses like this you will not stay a Catholic for long: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" -- 1 Timothy 2:5 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." -- Ephesians 2:8-9
@@BrandonReid-j6u Then one has to take care not to have another mediatrix, another advocate, another LIFE, another HOPE OTHER than Jesus!!!! See my reply to marce.goodnews
Maybe have a rethink? The rosary contains this line: *Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope* Jesus alone is King - there is no "queen" in heaven. God is our life - Deut 30:20 Jesus is our life Colossians 3:4 Psalm 62 - God is our hope. Mary is deified in this line - anyone praying it is committing idolatry
Really well explained, John 6:45 is referring to the gospel of Christ that Paul said was the power of God unto salvation unto every one that believes, Romans 10:8 it is the word of faith which we preach, in verse 17 he says faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God which is the gospel. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 4:15 for in Chris Jesus, I have begotten you through the gospel.
@@RenardGarzaro The scripture is clear about how faith comes to us in Romans 10:17 so then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Faith comes by hearing the word of God preached, how much clearer could he be. Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes, to the Jew first and also to the Gentile. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, the just shall live by faith. The word faith means to believe, trust, rely, on what he says in his word. Ephesians 1:13 In whom you also trusted, AFTER that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER that you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise. Faith is in the word of God that is preached, he is telling us by the hearing of the word of faith that is preached in Romans 10:8. Faith is not a work. Romans 4:5-6 But to him that worketh not, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also described the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputes righteousness without WORKS. Faith is not works, according to the word of God. Romans 11:6 confirms that as well as Ephesians 2:8-9.
@@EugeneHolley-rc6ry You must of course couple all your quotations to Ephesians 2 as well otherwise it's incomplete. Heck, you might as well throw in Ezekiel 37, Romans 9, Matthews 11:25-27 whilst you're at it - just for completeness sake.
QUESTION: If Jesus is only drawing those who add previously listened and learned from the father, what category do all of the prostitutes and tax collectors Etc who heard the message of Jesus and were drawn to him fit into? It seems like Jesus drew a lot of people who had previously never been faithful or listened to God but who somehow recognized him and turned to God through him. If you could please address this it would be very helpful. Thank you
John 6:37,39,44,63,65: ³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. … ³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. … ⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. … ⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. … ⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Thank you, Leighton. That was another great focused teaching. If everyone understood that the earthly Christ came to Israel who were God's elect and the whole world after His finished work, Calvin's influence would greatly diminish. It's fascinating, too that Israel was elect yet most perished during the first century tribulation. They had heard. They had a choice.
i thought of another thing about this Calvinism. why would God share His glory with John Calvin? the guy was a homicidal maniac. It seems to me that calvanists are calvanists first and christians second. That doesn't work.
@@RenardGarzaro Unfortunately, you are conflating some scripture. Matt 11:25 says "25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." Sometimes the intellect and pride of man obscures the message of the Gospel. Jesus said we should be like children in that regard. The 'few that find it" is from Matt 7 and references a different topic other than the simplicity of the Gospel.
@@RenardGarzaro Innocent?? LOL.. I am among the 'all' who have fallen and come short... I need a savior and am all too aware of it. As a believer, I have a savior and an advocate before the father who is Christ Jesus our Lord. The question for Calvinists is this; If the "elect" are chosen or created (take you pick) for salvation before the foundation of the world, obviously, they are NEVER in danger of damnation. And nothing they can do will ever interfere or jeopardize their eternal destiny. So, they are not in need of an advocate. ... And similarly, the reprobate is certainly denied an advocate... The question follows... For whom is Jesus advocating ?
C Jay Cox, rogue calvinist, and myself. Made a video refuting you on john 6. And also on your dishonesty in regards to compatibilism. When are you going to respond leighton? When are you stepping up to the debate stage?
...and no one comes to Jesus except if the Father DRAGS him/her to Jesus!!!! read the bible as a whole and see how Exodus 33:19 applies, or Ezekiel 37 or Deuteronomy 7:6-7 or Romans 9 or Ephesians 2 or even 1 Corinthians 2:18-29...and there are so many, many more books, chapters and verses which makes it absolutely clear - GOD CHOOSES.
I've downloaded hundreds of Mac Arthur sermons, yet there are as many scriptures that speak of man's will involved. Otherwise why would Jesus have a wept over Jerusalem if he and his father were in control of, and who they chose would believed.
How would you handle what we find in Deuteronomy 5:10 do you not think that from your point of view that that is unfair that the children would be cursed because of their forefathers? And thus people being blessed for a thousand generations for those who fear him. There are righteous degrees God is made God swore in his wrath that Israel would be hardened let's hear how we can explain that away let's explain away the wrath of God and the hardening that happens when people reject his word.
Renember the connect the dot pictures given to children as a fun activity? The picture cant be revealed if a dot is missed. Augustine grappled with the co-existence of "evil," with a holy God. A holy God would not create or allow evil, and Augustine conceived evil as all human suffering. So to maintain his belief that God is holy, Augustine made up a benevolent God purpose for evil. He was incorrect in his concept of evil, constructing an incorrect explanation or remedy. Calvinists read the history of the beliefs you hold. When a premise (what is evil) is wrong, everything built on that premise will be wrong. Premise: Pigs can fly. Now we can discuss all the things flying pigs can and can not do. Augustines premise was incorrect. Calvinists connect the dots.
12:20 time zone, he knows the motivation of their heart correct he can see the posture of their heart and being the Lord of glory he knows their Father is the devil, as we were once children of the devil. Because we are the gentiles and I bring this up because the only ones that really remained in him that is the remnant was a select few, and we were grafted in last time I checked branches can't crawl up and graft themselves into a vine. Grafting is a process done by a vine dresser and Jesus is the vine, The father is the vine dresser. Look if they are not cultivated by the Father they will not produce lasting fruit also if they are not grafted in by him they will not stand for they have no root. The peculiar way in which Jesus taught in parables and he teaches his people to do the same thing is showing that there is a hard heart he is dealing with.
Thank you for pointing out that CHrist Jesus is drawing all men to Him now that He is resurrected, in John 12. Sometimes I forget that when He was alive on earth, it was to the Jew first. I am not Calvinist! Am a Bible believing Gentile. Still some of this is confusing. The Holy Spirit enlightens, praise God. Otherwise, would struggle much more to grasp some of these issues. I believe God gave us His Word so that we could understand and faithfully follow Him and His Son - not be constantly fearful. Thank you for bring clarity.
Picking and choosing what one wants to believe can be very confusing - so just read the bible as a whole and see how Exodus 33:19 applies, or Ezekiel 37 or Deuteronomy 7:6-7 or Romans 9 or Ephesians 2 or even 1 Corinthians 2:18-29...and there are so many, many more books, chapters and verses which makes it absolutely clear - GOD CHOOSES.
Yup! just as Exekiel 37 tells us in no uncertain terms. Or Exodus 33:19 19 And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The LORD.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.
Phil 1:6: ⁶ Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 2Ths 1:11: ¹¹ Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
Leighton yet again is wrong here. Read all of John 6 and in particular these two passages below. How did Peter come to know and believe that Jesus was the messiah? “These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum. Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this said, “This is a difficult statement; who can listen to it?” But Jesus, conscious that His disciples grumbled at this, said to them, “Does this cause you to stumble? What then if you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.” As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore. So Jesus said to the twelve, “You do not want to go away also, do you?” Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.”” John 6:59-69 NASB1995 “Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” And they said, “Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.” He *said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.” Matthew 16:13-17 NASB1995
Jesus says - I stand at the door and knock. So it is up to you to open the door. You have a choice. If you do and invite Him in then you can do as was instituted in the Old Testament times - you can give Him a free will offering of praise and thanks.
@@RenardGarzaro I really feel convicted to help those that believe in Lordship Salvation. Not all Calvinists hold to that view for example John MacArthur wrote the gospel according to Jesus which supports LS and in response to that Charles Ryrie wrote So Great Salvation that supported more of a Free Grace view and he is also a Calvinist ( Not a 5 pointer but he is a Calvinist).
Very good..thank you. The Is what I believe as well. Jesus first came to the Jews,but they reject him like their forefathers rejected God. For they would know Jesus.
The reason the Jew's rejected their Messiah was because of judicial blindness sent from God, Jn 12:39-43, ""He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their hearts; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." This was not done as a punishment for their rebellion alone but in the sovereign decree of God it was determined that Israel as a nation would be set aside in order to open the door for the gentiles to come into loving relationship with God through Jesus Christ. As Paul says Rom. 11:28 "As concerning the Gospel they are enemies for your sakes (i.e. Gentiles), but as touching the election, they are beloved for the Fathers sake." This was no last minute contingency plan but was always part of God's immutable counsel that Paul calls a "mystery" that, "was not made known unto the sons of men as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellow-heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the Gospel."
So, since man has the ability to choose to believe does he also have the ability to reject salvation once he has accepted it? Once the man has come to Jesus and received eternal life is that man free to reject it because he is not satisfied with the salvation given to him?
Good question... depends who you ask. Free Gracers believe you can do whatever you want and still you won't lose your salvation. Arminians believe you can do whatever you want but that involves forfeiting your salvation.
Phil 1:6: ⁶ Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 2Ths 1:11: ¹¹ Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: John 6:37,39,44,63,65: ³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. … ³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. … ⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. … ⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. … ⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Nothing was ever created without the word so the word became flesh to leave a testimony and the holy spirit. So that man can be created in God's image revelations 12-17 Israel worship baal and are lovers of this world and if you are a tare instead of wheat . But you still remember God's name then you are cent to Jesus for he has the power to restore your soul
John 6:37,39,44,63,65: ³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. … ³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. … ⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. … ⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. … ⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
@FollowerOfTheLight2782 yep. I used to be a calvinist and I know where you're coming from. And for the last 20 plus years I've been a Bible believing christian, that is, someone who believes the bbiblical narrative and what the Bible actually teaches. All that is stated in those verses is true and it really needs to be understood in context. No problem with the truth of those verses, it is the pagan, platonistic, gnostic, cultic meaning that you put on them that makes them an error in your doctrines of demons understanding. I bet you also believe that everybody is Immortal inherently, or has an immortal soul, correct? More greek philosophy and thought that you need to repent of. You've got bigger fish to fry sir. And if you love the truth you love the rebuke.
If someone professes with their mouth and believes in their heart that Jesus is Lord and God raised him from the dead they will be saved. Does it matter that much if they got there by their own freewill or not? They are a professing believer. I am not a Calvinist per se but I think the Bible speaks of election but this debate is silly because I am pretty sure a true believer that interprets it differently still won’t say they saved themself, they know that God saved them. Right? We need to do a better job directing professing, heart believing Christians to bearing good fruit, loving one another not building up ammunition and courage to destroy one another.
Yes, but many Calvinists teach that you cannot call upon God to be saved. Watch Paul Washer at all? He preaches against "calling upon Jesus" all the time. They teach that you have to be magically zapped by God to know that you are one of the elect, then you have to endure to the end to make sure, and even then you might be a fake pre-ordained by God with a false salvation. Many born-again believers become Calvinists after they are saved, not before. The ones that are born into the Calvinistic system (Presbyterians mostly) are thoroughly confused their whole life and may not be born-again.
@@cutoats Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Rom 10:11 For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
@@cutoats Calling on the Lord to be saved as nothing to do with a lost person being eternally saved from the lake of fire. Ever single usage of " calling on the Lord " has to do with saved people and the church. Please answer this .... how can a person who does not even believe in Jesus call upon Him ? How can they call on whom they have not believed in. If you want to be saved from the lake of fire and never perish then believe in Jesus for everlasting life !
@@grizz4489 I guess I am having a hard time tracking, because I can’t tell if we are disagreeing or agreeing on something that I kind of don’t really know if I knew was an issue…but it seems like we agree
WHAT IF WE DIE BELIEVING A FALSE GOSPEL? The Bible and specifically our Apostle Paul tells us the answer to that question. We find the answer in the gospel of the grace of God recorded in I Corinthians 15:1-4. I Corinthians 15:1-4 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Our Apostle Paul tells us that WE ARE SAVED when we believe that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, that He was buried and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures. In II Corinthians 5:21 we are told that God made Christ to be sin for us. II Corinthians 5:21 - For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. This gospel is easy to understand and very straightforward. We only have to believe that the God that spoke this world into existence gave His life for us, He was buried and that He rose on the third day. This seems like a very easy choice. Doesn’t it? Let's look back to a time where a couple of other people also had a very easy choice to make. Let’s call them Adam and Eve. Let’s say that they lived in the best place on earth. Let’s say that they could live with God forever. Let’s say that they would never get old, sick or die. We all remember Adam and Eve and the choice that they made. Would they have made the right choice if God had written the instructions that they needed on a piece of paper and they could carry that piece of paper everywhere that they went? Well, guess what? God has written down the instructions that we need to follow in order to inherit eternal life with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is called the Bible, and we can carry it everywhere we go. If we follow the instructions in the Bible, we can live in the best place imaginable. We can be with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ forever and we will never get old, sick or die. Have you made the decision to believe God and follow His written instructions, so that you will become a child of God forever? God doesn’t make mistakes. When He adopts you as His child, it is a forever adoption. Yet, some of us question God and His promises. Now you may ask yourself what Satan is up to these days. That is an easy answer. Satan is not hanging around in the obvious places where everyone goes to sin. Those places are on autopilot aka auto-Satan. No, Satan hangs out at the places where people feel safe, and they go to in order to feel closer to God. No, I’m not talking about your “prayer closet” or on your knees beside your bed at night praying to God. No, I’m talking about… …places where false gospels are preached. These are places where people are fooled by Satan into believing an adulterated gospel and thus believe in vain. Do you remember Adam and Eve? A little bit of Satan goes a long way. I have made a decision to learn from Adam and Eve’s mistake. I will follow and believe God’s word that He has given to me. Call me wise if you want to. I’ll just call myself a saved and blessed child of God.
Elohim is no respecter of person but rather a respecter of conditions, "who (God) will have ALL men (mankind) to be SAVED and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" 1Timothy 2:4... So it clear that Yahweh wants all to be saved, so why then if he "pre-determined" who will and will not be saved, then His Word would fall to pieces... We can't by a short UA-cam clip logically formulate a Theology on a subject matter by reading one verse... For God so loved the world (only some?) or all?... It plain to me to see 👀
Calvinists act as if there is no doctrine on the drawing of God, or the learning of God. The answer is in Romans 10 Romans 10:13-17 King James Version 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Well, how can they hear and bekieve in someone that they do not seek or ask after? 20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. Well, God does the seeking, and He does this and manifests Himself to His elect. His elect are those whom He chooses to manifest Himself to, and sinve the beginning men have been calling on the name of the Lord as a result. Genesis 4:26 Therefore, through His election preachers are sent, and one of the first is Noah, when he preached to the men of that time, that judgment is coming, to repent. Thats rright, this is what the election is, and yes, israel is His elect, and has manifest Himself to them. Yet, they are only His people for the fathers sake, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They are beloved for the fathers sake. Romans 11:28 There are the elct, before Jesus, and they are the called when Jesus is sent. Whom He foreknew is thise whom He has elected from the beginning. Who He foreknew, He did predestinate to be conformed to His Son, His Son Jesus Cbrist, the first born, "The one that comes after me is preferred before me." Those elect became sons the moment God give the atonement, as they live by faith, unto their very death. Becoming many brethren after Jesus, the first born of the Spirit.
This is such a misconstruing of scripture. Jesus stated that He gives the secrets of the kingdom of heaven (the gospel) to the disciples, but it was not granted to others. Jesus is purposely concealing it because that is the Fathers will. In John 10, Jesus explains why the Pharisees don’t believe that He is the messiah. Jesus tells them that He has told them plainly and His works testify about who He is, but they do not believe because they are not His sheep. Notice He didn’t say, you do not believe THEREFORE you aren’t my sheep. Because, as He stated earlier, the Father gives Jesus His sheep, His sheep know Him and He knows His sheep, and He gives His sheep eternal life and none can snatch His sheep from His hand. When you quote Isaiah 6, you leave out that it is God closing the eyes and the ears of Israel - He said, “Go and tell this people: “Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’ Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.” God is closing their eyes and ears, otherwise they may turn and be healed. Your crusade against Gods sovereignty and your desire to elevate man’s personal righteousness is wrong and sad. I’ll pray God opens your eyes as well.
Jesus would plea with you to be one with one another these things should be discussed amongst believers but the argument over words within the body causes people to not believe. People think they are free. Especially believers connect the fact that they are free now and think that transcends into their prior life where they were not yet regenerated. The fact of the matter is the Bible would not use slave talk we were slaves to send now we are slaves to righteousness It is to renew your mind it is to transform the way you think all the believing ones that have been given to the Father will receive him he didn't fail out his mission with some people The Bible gives an explanation for why they reject God You cannot choose God based upon your will It is not based upon willing but the calling of God. If you can choose God then why do the writers consider themselves debtors to Christ unworthy faith in itself is a gift Grace would not truly be grace if we're not a gift with zero strings attached. The things Paul taught were very hard to understand the other apostles knew that. Do not devour one another but seek to become like minded.
Why does Flowers have to do so many cartwheels and somersaults to answer a simple question? He has to get out his Flowers decoder to connect dots that aren't there. This man is dangerous. I agree with James White, Flowers is a pope-less catholic. A shepherd dressed in semi-Pelagianism under the guise of provisionism.
Arminians HATE the fact that God is 100% sovereign and He chooses us for His purposes. They think their free will saves them not God. Pray that they will see the truth.
When will Christians understand that Jesus was preaching to Jews. Jesus was not talking to us the gentiles. This verse and many many more don’t make sense if you don’t divide that Jesus’ earthly ministry was specific to and for Jews. Exodus 19. They the Jews were called to be a royal priesthood. Apostle Paul is our apostle today who brings us our gospel today.
John 6:37,39,44,63,65: ³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. … ³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. … ⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. … ⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. … ⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Flowers claims that everyone hears Christ's voice! Jesus said in John 10:26-27 “But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." ONLY Christ's sheep hear His voice. The non-elect do not hear Him.
Why is the futurist hardened to the truth of scripture the plain reading? Heb 1:14 ISV All of them are spirits on a divine mission, sent to serve those who are about to inherit salvation, aren’t they? Heb 9:28 ISV so the Messiah was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people. And he will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly wait for him. Heb 10:37 ISV For “in a very little while the one who is coming will return- he will not DELAY; 1Th 5:9 ISV For God has not destined us to receive wrath but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus, the Messiah, Gal 5:5 ISV Through the Spirit by faith we confidently await the fulfillment of our righteous hope, (salvation) 1Pe 1:5 ISV Through faith you are being protected by God’s power for a salvation that is READY to be revealed at the end of this era. (Era of the Old covenant) 1Pe 4:5 ISV They will give an account to the one who is READY to judge the living and the dead. 2Pe 3:7 ISV Now by that same word, the present heavens and earth have been reserved for fire and are being kept for the day when ungodly people will be judged and destroyed. (Apostate Israel) Jas 5:8 ISV You, too, must be patient. Strengthen your hearts, because the coming of the Lord is NEAR. 1Co 7:31 ISV and those who use the things in the world as though they were not dependent on them. For the world in its present form is passing away.(present tense is) Rom 8:18 ISV For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed to us. Rom 13:12 ISV The night is almost over, and the day is near. Let’s therefore put aside the actions of darkness and put on the armor of light. Rev 1:1 ISV This is the revelation of Jesus the Messiah, which God gave him to show his servants the things that must happen SOON. He made it known by sending his messenger to his servant John, Rev 1:3 ISV How blessed is the one who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy and obey what is written in it, for the time is NEAR! Rev 3:11 ISV I am coming SOON! Hold on to what you have so that no one takes your victor’s crown. Rev 22:7 ISV “See! I am coming soon! How blessed is the person who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book!” Rev 22:12 ISV “See! I am coming soon! My reward is with me to repay everyone according to his behavior. Rev 22:12 ISV “See! I am coming soon! My reward is with me to repay everyone according to his behavior. How does the provisionest read these text?
What good does it do a man to be "drawn" without any life-giving power? It sounds to me like you are still giving sinful minds the credit for having been "born from above". But being "born again" isn't something that we do by our free will. Why not give the Holy Spirit the credit for His role in bringing the sheep to repentance and faith in Jesus?
@@reganoryan2292 I was an atheist running away from God as fast as I could run. I just wanted to live my sinful lifetstyle, so I mocked the whole idea of God. But when I least expected to "find" God, there He was! The Holy Spirit confronted me with the seriousness of my sinful life, and showed me the ways I was using people and hurting people. In a gentle way, God brought me to my knees! No one seeks Jesus who isn't sure that they need the Saviour. My salvation surprised me, my family, and all those who knew me. Praise God for His miraculous work in bringing salvation to me in spite of my past enslavement to sin!
Phil 1:6: ⁶ Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun A good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 2Ths 1:11: ¹¹ Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and THE work of faith with power:
If the Pharisees have not (truly) believed God, why would you think they have taught the people (rightly) about God? They were the "church" of that time and place, so of course their failure to teach and preach the God of the Prophets would result in many never having learned of that God, don't you think? Why avoid the obvious and turn to the "mysterious?
@@johnknight3529 Not sure what your point is. The church and Kingdom of Christ wasn't set up until Jesus and John came. The Pharisees, as long as they continued to reject Christ were never citizens of Christ's Kingdom or church. It wasn't "set up" prior to John according to Daniel 2:44 "And in the days of these kings (the 4th beast, the Roman Caesars) SHALL the God of heaven SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Additional proof is here where Christ speaks to the Pharisees: Matthew 21:25, 31-32 (KJV) The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?..... .....Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the PUBLICANS AND THE HARLOTS GO INTO the kingdom of God BEFORE YOU. For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him. This Kingdom is entered through water baptism and receiving the Spirit. John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be BORN OF WATER and of the Spirit, HE CANNOT ENTER into the kingdom of God." Regarding John 6:44, go to a previous post of mine on this comment section of this video to find a link to the best explanation of this verse that you will find. Flowers has missed it.
@@TheOrthodoxLandmarker-jy2zs - "Not sure what your point is." Well, that's not surprising, now that I see you can't understand why I would refer to the Pharisees as the "church" of that time and place (small c and in quotes). (My bad, please go on with your life as if I never said a word to you)
@@EdThePastor Yes, but Jesus' audience wasn't a hostile one like the Pharisees in Ch. 5. Check out the link to a video on this comment section under my handle. It is amazing exegesis and the best explanation of Jn. 6:44 I've found.
John 6 is truly a stumbling block. As a believer, its easy to see how this passage trips everyone out when you don't sit with this text verse by verse and look at the whole counsel of scripture. vs 65 - Mr. Flowers does not cite the Prophets (Jeremiah 31:33, Isaiah 54) and what is said there. He literally skips that and makes up his own reading... 13:26 Did y'all catch that?
Exactly how God made us. He draws us to Him, but we have the free will to either accept Him or reject Him. Those that are not drawn, have already hardened their hearts. Thevsins of tge fathers...
Leighton, I agree with the general direction that you take with this text, but you are saying a lot of words that the text doesn't say. I would make the point that we see these groups: "The Given, the drawn, the granted; and then not make any assumptions about those groups, just believe what the text says. We know the only result of the Father's drawing is that man CAN come. And the him who He will raise up in the last day is tied to "him who cometh unto me." Then we get to John 12:32 and learn whether the Father is or isn't still drawing, that at the time described by Jesus He will begin drawing ALL MEN unto Him. Then we get to John 16:29-30 and see the Disciples believe, and then Jesus in John 17 reference their conversation in His prayer to God about those who were GIVEN to him (the Apostles). And Jesus prays for those who will believe through their word (Pentecost Acts 2). Then we see repentance was given/granted to Israel in Acts 5:32 and then Repentance unto life is granted to THE GENTILES in Acts 11:18. Then in acts 28 Paul Goes to the Gentiles. If we just read the Bible in order without making assumptions, all the questions get answered in the most simple way.
Phil 1:6: ⁶ Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 2Ths 1:11: ¹¹ Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: John 6:37,39,44,63,65: ³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. … ³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. … ⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. … ⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. … ⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
ln another note... i know a young lady who would not be friends with a calvinist because she was taught that that would be "unequally yoked" . good grief. see where this leads
True, reprobate Jews in Jhn 1:11 are blinded. But Flowers ignores the follow verses. That is, the reason why some believe is because they were born of [the Spirit] of God (Jhn 1:13, xref., Jhn 3:5). That's the drawing Jesus is talking about in Jhn 6:44 (1Co 12:3).
@@grizz4489 : Not true. The ones who believed in his name were first born of the Spirit of God. That’s how they became children of God. No one can call Jesus “Lord” except in the Spirit (1Co 12:3).
@scienceandbibleresearch repentance must come first and then believing in what Christ did for them comes second and they receive the receive the Holy Spirit by faith. It's God's faith we take in yes but one can't say they have receive a gift unless they accept it. You can't say you got a gift from someone unless you accept first just like a believer isn't saved until they received the free gift of salvation. You're saying that one is saved first to be saved which makes no sense. No doubt calvinism is another gospel. My friend these are the facts
Jesus never converted one soul during His earthly ministry. He spoke in parables so that they could not and would not understand. Even Peter wasn't converted yet.. Luke 22:31.
Luke 22:31 NKJV [31] And the Lord said, “Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat. Please tell where in this passage does it say that Peter was not converted yet ?
@kgar5String in order to be converted one has to believe that Jesus died for our sins and that He was raised from the dead. 1 Cor 15: 1-4. Did the thief on the cross believe that???? Jesus said, "I tell you today, you will be with me in parables. " Remember, there are no commas in the Greek manuscripts. The comma was put their by the King of England's 47 Translors.
@UnfrozenCavemanLawyer-xq1qi the comma couldn't possibly be after "him" cause Jesus did not go to paradise on that day. that He died. Jesus died, remember as in dead. Ecc 9:5..
For my flesh is food indeed ( John 6:55) Catholic doctrine is 100 % correct. Eucharist is the body blood soul and divinity of Jesus that we receive at mass, it is not symbolic as Protestants believe. St Paul reaffirms this “He who eats of the body and drinks of the cup in an unworthy manner brings judgement and condemnation, some have got ill,some even died. Surely if symbolic it could never have such an effect.
John 6:37,39,44,63,65: ³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. … ³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. … ⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. … ⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. … ⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
I left my Calvin believing Church because you opened my eyes! Thank you for being used by the Father💞
I wish my dear friends and family members would ‘dare’ to check out Leighton’s podcast. There’s a lot of indoctrination and fear in these circles - not to mention pride and stubbornness.
@@RenardGarzaro pride, stubbornness, arrogance is plentiful in all men, and among the saved. We must examine ourselves before we...
I wasn't originally a Calvinist, but the more one studies the more one comes to understand the truth. Keep studying. Stop listening to Arminians until you understand the fallacies of their arguments. They oppose Jesus' teachings.
All you who speak highly of Leighton Flowers should study God's word more. Read it all and eventually you will run into this one:
Luke 6:26
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
And stop hating those you call Calvinists. Even if you consider them enemies, you are still called to love them. Luke 6:27
@@jeremiah5319I at one time had my foot in Calvinism, and the the more I studied the more I understood it wasn't true; by the way, I'm not an Arminian. That is just a tweaked version of Calvinism. Your failure to understand this might be part of your problem.
Hebrews 3:7,15 Hebrews 4:7 and Psalm 95:7 all say "Today, if you will hear His voice..."
This is His drawing, which can be resisted because it is followed by "harden not your heart"
@@RenardGarzaroLOL. You say you're not a calvinist! LOL!
@@RenardGarzaro I think you forget the context of Mathew 16, this is after the feeding of the 4000 this establishes (atleast in the eyes of those who listened and learned from the father) that Jesus was the Prophet like Moses. This is Peter's profession of faith declared after Jesus' constantly revealing who he was through multiple miracles (That only God can do) that already happened. I dont think this means the Father just revealed the knowledge at that time base on the whole context of Mathew. Mathew actually strengthens Dr Flower's view if put into correct context that the pharisees did not listen to Jesus unlike the Apostles who listened and learned.
Mathew 16:8-9
Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered?
Mathew 16:13 -16
When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
@@RenardGarzaro why do you copy and paste responses?
Also Hebrews 11:6 & James 4:8!
@@LindsayJackel Maybe he's one of "Brown's Clowns" like Anathema (who calls himself "Altheia") and Manichean Jokes (who calls himself "Manasseh Jones"). Jim Brown's cult, which calls itself "Grace and Truth Ministries" despite having neither grace nor truth, is a hyper-Calvinist cult whose members reject the "Calvinist" label while dialing all of Calvinism's false teachings up to 11. Brown also encourages his minions to spread his lies on social media, which "kgar5String" seems to live on, throwing Calvinist nonsense all over the place while piously lying and saying he's not a Calvinist...
Wow, Dr. Flowers . . . I know the Gospel of John very well, but you just explained some things to me so CLEARLY!!!
I can't believe I missed those things . . . I need to take my own advice, what I tell my grandkids, "There is ALWAYS more to learn from the scriptures!!! Usually & especially scripture that you feel that you know so well - guess you become so familiar with it that you tend to gloss over what you are reading!!!
Incredible learning session for me on this one - THANK YOU!!!
Rom 7:15-24:
¹⁵ For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
¹⁶ If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
¹⁷ Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
¹⁸ For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
¹⁹ For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
²⁰ Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
²¹ I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
²² For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
²³ But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
²⁴ O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
I listened to this again & took down several pages of notes and scriptures. Thankful for this ministry!
Thank you for explaining this important passage of scripture. I've read it many times without the full contextual picture that you provided, so you've helped me to understand it better. He answers our prayers for wisdom!
So solid here, Bro Leighton. I'm so glad we can look into the eyes of all we preach to or share with and get personal and say, "God loves you. Jesus died for you. Jesus paid It all, and calls you now to 'Come to Me'. Come to Christ and He will save you now."
Very clear and simple, the gospel. ☝️😎
WOW, this is brilliant!! I thought I had a firm handle on this verse but Bro. Leighton really broke it down. Great video!
Please know that many Calvinists believe it not out of stubborness, but sincerely understanding it that way. I know coz I used to think that way, and for a long time too! And i was honestly and sincerely turning the arguments for both sides on my mind. Just asking for a little grace for others like me 😊
I also remember Pastor John Piper saying that he has friends on both sides of the argument. And he believes that although one of those sides can be wrong, both can still go to heaven.
This is not to say that we should stop seeking the truth. This is just an appeal for some grace. ❤
I don't know how much you've listened to Dr. Flowers. Perhaps you're new to his videos. I will say as I've listened, I haven't heard much that hasn't been gracious. He may make a sarcastic comment here and there, but I've heard him debate ungracious Calvinists, while being respectful. Hewas a Calvinist himself, for 10 years. But i think if you watch him a lot, you'll see the grace stand out, especially when he's disagreeing with others.
@@theologygeekgal thanks for clarifying. I actually commented because of some comments, not the video itself 😊
A common mistake in misquoting John 6:44 is elimination of the modal verb "can" which causes a flawed takeaway of "No man comes to me except the Father draw him." This error cause a positive evaluation of the exception clause to be inevitability as opposed to ability as communicated by Scripture - the drawn one CAN come.
Listen carefully to Mr. Henry's summation of the verse early in the video, around the 27 second mark "No one come(s) to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him..."
An even more common error is ignoring the context of 9-11.
@@williammarinelli2363 Exactly. Calvinistic individuals always tend to read John 6:44 as if the word "can" isn't there, not understanding that the removal/dismissal of the word "can" changes the entire meaning of the sentence.
"Bob can come to my house on the weekends"
AND
"Bob comes to my house on the weekends"
Are two different sentences with completely different meanings.
@@losnfjslefn8857 rubbish. Calvinists see the word "can" in John 6:44. It's the Armenians who ignore the word. No man CAN come to Christ unless the Father draws them. Pretty simple, really.
@@jamesers99 "It's the Arminians who ignore the word." I'm not here for a Calvinist v Arminians debate. I'm not Arminian, I'm assuming you're not either, so let's just leave Arminians out of this.
All I'm saying is, *in my personal experience* , when I've spoken to Calvinists about this verse, they read and understand it AS IF it says "No man *comes* ...", because when I point out that John 12:32 says Christ draws ALL when He is lifted up, they immediately push back on it.
"If ALL were drawn, then ALL would come! And we know not ALL come, so ALL can't literally mean ALL are drawn!"
🔼 They'll say something like that. Do you see the problem?
Why does God draw people he knows would reject him?
Based on analogies people make me, would you invite someone who you know won't come to your party?
John 6:44 KJV "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
- In general this is my interpretation of that text., Lets begin with the simple text, In John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.".. It clearly says Jesus came to do the Father's will, and that is to look and believe in His Son (John 6:40)..But believe is started in hearing The word of God(Rom. 10:17).. And the Word that spoke by Jesus is from the Father himself.. We can assure this from the Father through Father's voice in heaven says, Luke 9:35 - "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.. This also supported i the text in Heb. 1:1-2
The statement of John in 6:44 can be understood as the one who first draws a man is the Father because the words spoke by Jesus is from the Father, in this the drawing from the Father begins by His Word through Jesus words. And when someone listen and believe what Jesus taught, that Word is the tools or medium using by the Father which make that person come to the Son Jesus, and believe that He is really indeed the true Messiah, then Jesus promised that this people drawn by the Father (through Jesus teaching) will come and believe in His Son Jesus.. That's why The Father is the first who doi the drawing men and thats through Jesus teaching (because Jesus teaching came from the Father) , and those who will listen and believe will come to Jesus and continue growing in believing in Him with the promise of eternal life(raising up on the last day) .
Imagine not being able to tell someone, anyone, that Jesus loves them because you risk telling them a lie? You can't tell your neighbor, your friend, your aunt, your uncle, your teacher, your barber, your mom, your dad, or even yourself that Jesus unequivocally, without exception, loves them. Because, in Calvinism, you just never know for sure until you see those pearly gates up ahead whether you were truly elect to persevere to the end or be reprobate? Only Jesus knows for certain who Jesus loves forever. That's what the Bible teaches? Not at all.
It’s not absurd! It’s a brilliant statement!!
@@johnallen5999 I agree, Calvinism is totally absurd.
If you listen carefully to Calvinists they say "God loves sinners" so they can avoid saying God loves everyone.
Yes, calvinists say many things that make no sense.
@@johnallen5999absurd for a twisted Calvinist because of your arrogance thinking you people got it all figured out exclusively.Duh
Oh the debate covering this subject will never stop. But certainly, I will never agree with calvinism no matter how hard a calvinist tries to. I guess the line is drawn here. I support Leighton Flowers's articulation of what I have always believed that there is a condition for salvation. A condition of "whosoever believes..." and so on and so forth. God bless those who sincerely love the Lord Jesus Christ, including Calvinist brethren.
@@RenardGarzarobrother or sister, your hermeneutics in my opinion is unsound. I'm sure you believe it for certain that your interpretation is right. Not to me but that's ok, I have my own verses and interpretations which would counter yours. However, let's leave it that at that. Let's just agree to disagree. God bless you.
You have hardened your heart against Calvinism.
@@John3.36 What a relief to know that I've hardened my heart against Calvinism. As long as I've not hardened my heart against God, then all is very well and good!
@@John3.36 Which means God hardened their heart against Calvinism according to Calvin's definition of God's sovereignty. So God decided they shouldn't be Calvinists
@@colleengleason6533 Calvinism is not true, so God did not decide anything for them.
John 6:37
ALL (the elect chosen IN CHRIST from eternity past, Ephesians 1:4) that the Father gives Me (as a love gift from the Father to the Son) WILL (Thy people shall be willing in the day of Thy power, Psalm 110:3) come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out (the good Shepherd who loses none of His sheep, John 10:28).
John 6:39
This is the will of Him (Father) who sent Me (Son), that of ALL that He has GIVEN Me I lose nothing (Good Shepherd), but raise it up on the last day (salvation in Christ).
John 6:44
No one can (has the ability to) come to Jesus /have faith (total depravity, total inability) unless the Father draws /drags (compels with irresistible authority) him and Jesus will raise him (same him) up at the last day (salvation in Christ, perseverance of the Saints).
The drawing is effective. The same him drawn is the same him raised. 100 percent of those God draws/drags are raised.
John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall ALL be TAUGHT of God.’ EVERYONE who has HEARD (from the Father) and LEARNED from the Father, COMES to Me.
This is the explanation of how the drawing works. Notice that ALL of those people COME to Jesus. ALL DRAWN (being TAUGHT by God - active, hearing and learning - passive) COME to Jesus. Everyone taught, everyone hearing, everyone learning comes to Christ. This communication of knowledge is effective. There is no one of whom the Father has revealed this knowledge who does not come to Christ.
John 6:65
“Therefore I (Jesus) have said to you that NO ONE can (has the ability to) come to Me unless it has been GRANTED (given, a divine act) to him by My Father.” This is accomplished through the drawing (v44) of God by His being taught, hearing, and learning from God. Being granted/given and being drawn by the Father are the same thing. This is a divine act of God. It's not an attempt by God or a provision of God. This act of God is personal, by name, for His people.
God uses His word to regenerate His elect people with an effectual call.
Arminians cannot understand this as it doesn't make sense and EVERYONE knows that God ALWAYS makes perfect sense. Like in the following scriptures:
2 Cor 5:21 "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
If you want to be rich sell everything you have and give it to the poor. “Then Jesus, said to him, “Go sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven…" Matt 19:21
Lose so you can gain! “For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ.” Philippians 3:8
If you want to be exalted, humble yourself. “Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.” James. 4:10
If you want to be first, be last. “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.” Matthew 20:16
If you want to be strong, be weak. “For when I am weak, then I am strong.” 2 Corinthians 12:10
If you want to be free, become a slave. “But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.” Romans 6:22
If you want to live, you must die. “For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.” Matthew 16:25
So good! Thank you Leighton!
I was discipled by Calvanists who really hurt my faith-It was like spirtual rape, they hurt my relationship with God tremendously, made me fear him, and it took me years to get out of it. ❤
The Bible teaches the fear of the Lord.
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 AND? SATANIC CALVANIST
Me too! Horrible effects of bad theology. So grateful for Leighton! Grace to you. Really.❤
@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 yes but His perfect love casts out fear (1 John 4:18) So knowing God and learning wisdom begins with fear, but must transfer to intimate worship in which the believer feels secure in order to proceed with a life of confident faith.
At about the 6:45 mark, he says Calvinists can’t say that “Jesus died for everyone.” Is that an accurate interpretation of irresistible grace? Wouldn’t the Calvinist say “Jesus’ sacrifice is sufficient for all but effective for the elect”?
Christ's blood was sufficient for all but only efficacious for many.
Isaiah 53:11-12 "By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities...And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors.”
What did Jesus Christ say about His work at Calvary; was it for ALL or just many?
Matthew 20:28 "...the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for MANY.”
Mark 14:24 “And he said unto them, This is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many.”
John 17:2-3 “As You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as MANY as You have given Him.”
Acts 2:39 “For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 13:48 “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”
Romans 8:29 “For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among MANY brethren.”
Romans 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience MANY were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience MANY will be made righteous."
Hebrews 2:10 “For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.”
Hebrews 9:28 “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
Bore their iniquities-bore their sins-ransomed-shed His blood-gave eternal life-called-ordained-predestined-made righteous all or just many. Sorry Arminians many NOT all.
Great explanation. We are responsible
The word "draw" in Greek means to move something or someone that is incapable or unwilling to do so. This is the same word used in Acts 21 when the Jews had Paul tied up and dragged him out of the temple (verse 30).
The immediate implication of John 6: 44 is that people are bound in their sin and are in need of Jesus coming along to drag them into His kingdom.
This is why Jesus came to this earth, because none of us are capable of reaching God's kingdom on our own, not by the exertion of our own will or otherwise. Jesus lived the life we could not and died the death we deserved. He was raised to life for our justification so that everyone who believes shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Cursed to those who spread different gospel or no gospel.
There is No gospel / good news to majority of mankind according to Calvinism.
How so? I’m admittedly new to all of this.
@@MrJeffreyDRAnything Calvinism, run for the hills
@@MrJeffreyDRread the Bible for yourself, ask God to speak to you through what you read... It's that simple
@@SheepDog1974unfortunately Calvinists cannot understand the Bible without the bias of that late murderer John Calvin.
@@SheepDog1974 Does that go for Once saved always saved, or Inevitable Perseverance of the Saints? P in TULIP?
Some topics to some people, due to their (inner condition Only God knows), few or many words...are simply words! Prayer, Love, Mercy!
I have heard Calvinists say that the word draw in John 6:44 means to drag in Greek as opposed to draw your attention. I am not a Calvinists, but I am curious if this is true or not.
Rom 7:15-24:
¹⁵ For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
¹⁶ If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
¹⁷ Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
¹⁸ For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
¹⁹ For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
²⁰ Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
²¹ I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
²² For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
²³ But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
²⁴ O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
It can mean dragging, and is used that way in other verses, but if you do a word study, “draw” (G1670, the word “helko”) in John 6:44 refers to leading, not dragging. And it’s further defined as God’s moral and spiritual influence working in the heart of a person. It’s not a forced thing. It’s God leading a person on a journey to recognize his true Gospel so that they can then respond to it in faith or rejection. And it’s THAT choice that we are held accountable for.
Thank you. That was extremely enlightening. I need to listen to it again!
Quite straight forward
I was drawn without hearing any sound doctrine that came
Later..
Elect vessels are saved in Gods way and his time!
From personal experience - I knew about Christianity for years before I really believed. My faith started after a mysterious change in my heart that i have a hard time explaining.
John 6:37,39,44,63,65:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
…
³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
…
⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
…
⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
…
⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Those who have (belief) more will be given, those who do not even what they have will be taken away (aka will be hardened)
How ironic that so many people deny the sovereign election of God, which is found all over the Bible, while strenuously holding to the notion of "free will", which is found nowhere in the Bible.
Good insight
This is getting so frustrating!
Jesus was speaking to people who THOUGHT they were the people of God but they did not know HIm because their forefathers walked away from Him and TAUGHT them of a false god in the name of the God of Abraham Izach and Jacob. Had they been TAUGHT of the one true God they would have been drawn to the Son...only those who HEAR and LEARN from the Father via people who know the one true God will be drawn to the Son because HE is the ONLY one who will. Teachings of false gods will not draw a man to the Son, they will guide you away from Him.
John 5:37
“And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.”
God used these very people to serve His purpose by leaving THEM in their folly for that time knowing they would cry CRUCIFY because Jesus didn't have the voice of their god (blasphemy). After the resurrection everything CHANGED, the veil was lifted and now all can come to Him via the record that God gave of His Son.
God provided everything everyone needs to KNOW HIM...we are in the time of "but now" because all has been REVEALED.
Be careful what teachers you FREELY give your ears to because we can become ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth...if we have any doubt we must give our ears to other teachers.
I'm guilty of only giving my ears to the Roman Catholic church system for 46 years even with many many doubts and I will not blame anyone but myself. God sent His people to me and I turned them away. STOP blaming God for the people who don't know Him after He made Himself known is such a profound way, so that we may know HIm.
Excellent illustration
This is so excellent! I wished I had this years ago during WCG membership-it would’ve enlightened me a lot sooner!
very godly explanation
A woman named Lydia was listening; she was a seller of purple fabrics from the city of Thyatira, and a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul.
Acts 16:44
❤ these shorts 😊
WELL DONE!!!
Do you have any commentary recommendations that are similar to God's Word for you series or Christ Centered Exposition Commentary series that's not from a reformed influence?
Hey @Soteriology101 what if there is ANOTHER possible interpretation for this? What if John 6:44 applies specifically to Jews AT THE TIME who were to be Jesus DISCIPLES? What if John 6:39 and John 6:40 are referring to a DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE?
This would ALSO negate the Calvinistic interpretation and has merit.
Or one can then apply Exodus 33:19 and Ezekiel 37 whilst one wonders about Ephesians 2. Or even see the repeat in Romans 9? Is it up to man or up to God? Leighton and most of the commenters on this page reckons it's up to man to decide.
I wonder what would have happened if Abram said - "Sorry, God, I'm not going anywhere - find someone else" Or is Israel a very peculiar pick made by God alone - out of all the nations on earth?
In sum, "all who learn from the Father come to me" of John 6:44 means that only those Jews who understand and the true message of the Law and Prophets (the OT teachings) will come to Jesus because He is what the Law and Prophets are about. This must be said to contrast with the Pharisees, who claim to follow the Law of Moses, but have not even understood or refuse to learn the lessons from the Law and Prophets (like love God with all your hear and love your neighbor). Jesus rebukes them in John 5 that they study the Scriptures but do not believe the Scriptures, because the Scriptures speak about Christ. Moses wrote about Christ (as you can see in passages like Deuteronomy 18 about the Prophet like Moses who will come).
Would like to hear you speak of your understanding of Imputation from Holy Scripture.
I stop listening even John Piper, John MacArthur and Paul washer Sermon 🎉
Became Catholic thanks to this channel. Now I go to Society St Pius X, to the Traditional Latin Mass.
How did that happen? Leighton teaches Biblical Christianity, not Roman Catholicism. I grew up Catholic and now I am free in Jesus! I don’t pray to Mary anymore, she can’t hear anyone on Earth!
Keep reading, with verses like this you will not stay a Catholic for long:
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" -- 1 Timothy 2:5
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." -- Ephesians 2:8-9
Relationship with Christ not denominationalism ❤
@@BrandonReid-j6u Then one has to take care not to have another mediatrix, another advocate, another LIFE, another HOPE OTHER than Jesus!!!! See my reply to marce.goodnews
Maybe have a rethink?
The rosary contains this line:
*Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope*
Jesus alone is King - there is no "queen" in heaven.
God is our life - Deut 30:20 Jesus is our life Colossians 3:4
Psalm 62 - God is our hope.
Mary is deified in this line - anyone praying it is committing idolatry
Really well explained, John 6:45 is referring to the gospel of Christ that Paul said was the power of God unto salvation unto every one that believes, Romans 10:8 it is the word of faith which we preach, in verse 17 he says faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God which is the gospel. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 4:15 for in Chris Jesus, I have begotten you through the gospel.
@@RenardGarzaro The scripture is clear about how faith comes to us in Romans 10:17 so then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Faith comes by hearing the word of God preached, how much clearer could he be. Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes, to the Jew first and also to the Gentile. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, the just shall live by faith. The word faith means to believe, trust, rely, on what he says in his word. Ephesians 1:13 In whom you also trusted, AFTER that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER that you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise. Faith is in the word of God that is preached, he is telling us by the hearing of the word of faith that is preached in Romans 10:8. Faith is not a work. Romans 4:5-6 But to him that worketh not, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also described the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputes righteousness without WORKS. Faith is not works, according to the word of God. Romans 11:6 confirms that as well as Ephesians 2:8-9.
@@EugeneHolley-rc6ry You must of course couple all your quotations to Ephesians 2 as well otherwise it's incomplete. Heck, you might as well throw in Ezekiel 37, Romans 9, Matthews 11:25-27 whilst you're at it - just for completeness sake.
QUESTION: If Jesus is only drawing those who add previously listened and learned from the father, what category do all of the prostitutes and tax collectors Etc who heard the message of Jesus and were drawn to him fit into? It seems like Jesus drew a lot of people who had previously never been faithful or listened to God but who somehow recognized him and turned to God through him. If you could please address this it would be very helpful. Thank you
John 6:37,39,44,63,65:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Great video!!!
Thank you, Leighton. That was another great focused teaching. If everyone understood that the earthly Christ came to Israel who were God's elect and the whole world after His finished work, Calvin's influence would greatly diminish.
It's fascinating, too that Israel was elect yet most perished during the first century tribulation. They had heard. They had a choice.
Personally, I am drawn to God as my father through revelation, as something to be desired.
Dude, that was awesome!
i thought of another thing about this Calvinism. why would God share His glory with John Calvin? the guy was a homicidal maniac. It seems to me that calvanists are calvanists first and christians second. That doesn't work.
As was Paul he was worse. as is every believer if you have had hate ever in your heart so not a good point.
@jaysoncrotts2743 grow up
@jaysoncrotts2743 having hate in my heart is different than burning somebody at the stake. that takes a whole other realm level of perversion
The simplicity is clearly too simple for Calvinists...
The Gospel is so simple even a child can understand it....
Calvinism... not so much🤔
@@RenardGarzaro Unfortunately, you are conflating some scripture. Matt 11:25 says "25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." Sometimes the intellect and pride of man obscures the message of the Gospel. Jesus said we should be like children in that regard.
The 'few that find it" is from Matt 7 and references a different topic other than the simplicity of the Gospel.
@@RenardGarzaro Innocent?? LOL.. I am among the 'all' who have fallen and come short... I need a savior and am all too aware of it. As a believer, I have a savior and an advocate before the father who is Christ Jesus our Lord.
The question for Calvinists is this; If the "elect" are chosen or created (take you pick) for salvation before the foundation of the world, obviously, they are NEVER in danger of damnation. And nothing they can do will ever interfere or jeopardize their eternal destiny. So, they are not in need of an advocate. ... And similarly, the reprobate is certainly denied an advocate...
The question follows... For whom is Jesus advocating ?
Calvinists are smarter than the scriptures.
C Jay Cox, rogue calvinist, and myself. Made a video refuting you on john 6. And also on your dishonesty in regards to compatibilism. When are you going to respond leighton? When are you stepping up to the debate stage?
So do you say that there are people God won't draw?
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." -John 14:6
...and no one comes to Jesus except if the Father DRAGS him/her to Jesus!!!!
read the bible as a whole and see how Exodus 33:19 applies, or Ezekiel 37 or Deuteronomy 7:6-7 or Romans 9 or Ephesians 2 or even 1 Corinthians 2:18-29...and there are so many, many more books, chapters and verses which makes it absolutely clear - GOD CHOOSES.
I’d give this two likes if I could!
I had forgotten to like it, then I read your post. So in a way you did give it two.
I've downloaded hundreds of Mac
Arthur sermons, yet there are as many scriptures that speak of man's will involved. Otherwise why would Jesus have a wept over Jerusalem if he and his father were in control of, and who they chose would believed.
How would you handle what we find in Deuteronomy 5:10 do you not think that from your point of view that that is unfair that the children would be cursed because of their forefathers? And thus people being blessed for a thousand generations for those who fear him. There are righteous degrees God is made God swore in his wrath that Israel would be hardened let's hear how we can explain that away let's explain away the wrath of God and the hardening that happens when people reject his word.
Psalm 145:18 YHVH is near to all who call on Him-to all who call on Him in Truth. John 17:17 Sanctify them in the Truth, as Your Word is Truth.
Well done LF!!!
Renember the connect the dot pictures given to children as a fun activity?
The picture cant be revealed if a dot is missed.
Augustine grappled with the co-existence of "evil," with a holy God. A holy God would not create or allow evil, and Augustine conceived evil as all human suffering.
So to maintain his belief that God is holy, Augustine made up a benevolent God purpose for evil.
He was incorrect in his concept of evil, constructing an incorrect explanation or remedy.
Calvinists read the history of the beliefs you hold.
When a premise (what is evil) is wrong, everything built on that premise will be wrong.
Premise: Pigs can fly.
Now we can discuss all the things flying pigs can and can not do.
Augustines premise was incorrect.
Calvinists connect the dots.
12:20 time zone, he knows the motivation of their heart correct he can see the posture of their heart and being the Lord of glory he knows their Father is the devil, as we were once children of the devil. Because we are the gentiles and I bring this up because the only ones that really remained in him that is the remnant was a select few, and we were grafted in last time I checked branches can't crawl up and graft themselves into a vine. Grafting is a process done by a vine dresser and Jesus is the vine, The father is the vine dresser. Look if they are not cultivated by the Father they will not produce lasting fruit also if they are not grafted in by him they will not stand for they have no root. The peculiar way in which Jesus taught in parables and he teaches his people to do the same thing is showing that there is a hard heart he is dealing with.
Thank you for pointing out that CHrist Jesus is drawing all men to Him now that He is resurrected, in John 12. Sometimes I forget that when He was alive on earth, it was to the Jew first. I am not Calvinist! Am a Bible believing Gentile. Still some of this is confusing. The Holy Spirit enlightens, praise God. Otherwise, would struggle much more to grasp some of these issues. I believe God gave us His Word so that we could understand and faithfully follow Him and His Son - not be constantly fearful. Thank you for bring clarity.
Picking and choosing what one wants to believe can be very confusing - so just read the bible as a whole and see how Exodus 33:19 applies, or Ezekiel 37 or Deuteronomy 7:6-7 or Romans 9 or Ephesians 2 or even 1 Corinthians 2:18-29...and there are so many, many more books, chapters and verses which makes it absolutely clear - GOD CHOOSES.
Yes....
.GODS WORD SAYS UNLESS ......MAN CANNOT BE SAVED UNLESS THE SPIRIT DRAWETH HIM......THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.......
Yup! just as Exekiel 37 tells us in no uncertain terms. Or Exodus 33:19
19 And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The LORD.’
And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.
Thats right......
Amen
you do not have to be drawn; you can come on your own
No, this is false. Layton addresses this early on in the video. You are expressing a Pelagian view. That is not Provisionism
@@chaddonal4331 What exactly is that "Provisionism"??? Where is that found in the bible?
@@kevinrtres Keep listening… The emphasis is that Jesus provided salvation for all who will believe.
Phil 1:6:
⁶ Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
2Ths 1:11:
¹¹ Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
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Leighton yet again is wrong here. Read all of John 6 and in particular these two passages below. How did Peter come to know and believe that Jesus was the messiah?
“These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum. Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this said, “This is a difficult statement; who can listen to it?” But Jesus, conscious that His disciples grumbled at this, said to them, “Does this cause you to stumble? What then if you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.” As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore. So Jesus said to the twelve, “You do not want to go away also, do you?” Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.””
John 6:59-69 NASB1995
“Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” And they said, “Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.” He *said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.”
Matthew 16:13-17 NASB1995
Jesus says - I stand at the door and knock.
So it is up to you to open the door. You have a choice.
If you do and invite Him in then you can do as was instituted in the Old Testament times - you can give Him a free will offering of praise and thanks.
Later in John it says God draws All People - John 12:32.
@@RenardGarzaro 100% agree. I’m not a Calvinist and I’m not sure why you thought that. Relax.
@@RenardGarzarohatred? You should probably take a moment to ponder the validity of that thought.
@@RenardGarzaro I really feel convicted to help those that believe in Lordship Salvation. Not all Calvinists hold to that view for example John MacArthur wrote the gospel according to Jesus which supports LS and in response to that Charles Ryrie wrote So Great Salvation that supported more of a Free Grace view and he is also a Calvinist ( Not a 5 pointer but he is a Calvinist).
“I” Will draw…
Phil 1:6:
⁶ Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Very good..thank you. The Is what I believe as well. Jesus first came to the Jews,but they reject him like their forefathers rejected God. For they would know Jesus.
The reason the Jew's rejected their Messiah was because of judicial blindness sent from God, Jn 12:39-43, ""He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their hearts; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." This was not done as a punishment for their rebellion alone but in the sovereign decree of God it was determined that Israel as a nation would be set aside in order to open the door for the gentiles to come into loving relationship with God through Jesus Christ. As Paul says Rom. 11:28 "As concerning the Gospel they are enemies for your sakes (i.e. Gentiles), but as touching the election, they are beloved for the Fathers sake." This was no last minute contingency plan but was always part of God's immutable counsel that Paul calls a "mystery" that, "was not made known unto the sons of men as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellow-heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the Gospel."
The SPIRIT OF GOD DRAWS EVERYBODY AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER........GOD IS NO RESPECTO OF PERSONS
I can't seem to find any passages about the Spirit drawing
So, since man has the ability to choose to believe does he also have the ability to reject salvation once he has accepted it? Once the man has come to Jesus and received eternal life is that man free to reject it because he is not satisfied with the salvation given to him?
Good question... depends who you ask. Free Gracers believe you can do whatever you want and still you won't lose your salvation. Arminians believe you can do whatever you want but that involves forfeiting your salvation.
Phil 1:6:
⁶ Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
2Ths 1:11:
¹¹ Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
John 6:37,39,44,63,65:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Nothing was ever created without the word so the word became flesh to leave a testimony and the holy spirit. So that man can be created in God's image revelations 12-17 Israel worship baal and are lovers of this world and if you are a tare instead of wheat . But you still remember God's name then you are cent to Jesus for he has the power to restore your soul
He rebukes their unbelief because it is a condition of their heart.
Calvinists don't read the next verse.
@@RenardGarzaro
How do you know?
Who blinded their eyes?
John Calvin
draw - helko - means to drag
mr flowers said this word means enable or grant.
mr flowers interpretation is false
This is too simple and plain for Calvinists to understand.
John 6:37,39,44,63,65:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
@FollowerOfTheLight2782 yep. I used to be a calvinist and I know where you're coming from. And for the last 20 plus years I've been a Bible believing christian, that is, someone who believes the bbiblical narrative and what the Bible actually teaches. All that is stated in those verses is true and it really needs to be understood in context. No problem with the truth of those verses, it is the pagan, platonistic, gnostic, cultic meaning that you put on them that makes them an error in your doctrines of demons understanding. I bet you also believe that everybody is Immortal inherently, or has an immortal soul, correct? More greek philosophy and thought that you need to repent of. You've got bigger fish to fry sir. And if you love the truth you love the rebuke.
If someone professes with their mouth and believes in their heart that Jesus is Lord and God raised him from the dead they will be saved. Does it matter that much if they got there by their own freewill or not? They are a professing believer. I am not a Calvinist per se but I think the Bible speaks of election but this debate is silly because I am pretty sure a true believer that interprets it differently still won’t say they saved themself, they know that God saved them. Right? We need to do a better job directing professing, heart believing Christians to bearing good fruit, loving one another not building up ammunition and courage to destroy one another.
Yes, but many Calvinists teach that you cannot call upon God to be saved. Watch Paul Washer at all? He preaches against "calling upon Jesus" all the time. They teach that you have to be magically zapped by God to know that you are one of the elect, then you have to endure to the end to make sure, and even then you might be a fake pre-ordained by God with a false salvation.
Many born-again believers become Calvinists after they are saved, not before. The ones that are born into the Calvinistic system (Presbyterians mostly) are thoroughly confused their whole life and may not be born-again.
@@John3.36 what do you believe it takes to be saved?
@@cutoats
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
@@cutoats Calling on the Lord to be saved as nothing to do with a lost person being eternally saved from the lake of fire. Ever single usage of " calling on the Lord " has to do with saved people and the church. Please answer this .... how can a person who does not even believe in Jesus call upon Him ? How can they call on whom they have not believed in. If you want to be saved from the lake of fire and never perish then believe in Jesus for everlasting life !
@@grizz4489 I guess I am having a hard time tracking, because I can’t tell if we are disagreeing or agreeing on something that I kind of don’t really know if I knew was an issue…but it seems like we agree
At its core, Calvanism is mean and elitist. Not The True Gospel of Christ.
WHAT IF WE DIE BELIEVING A FALSE GOSPEL?
The Bible and specifically our Apostle Paul tells us the answer to that question. We find the answer in the gospel of the grace of God recorded in I Corinthians 15:1-4.
I Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
Our Apostle Paul tells us that WE ARE SAVED when we believe that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, that He was buried and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
In II Corinthians 5:21 we are told that God made Christ to be sin for us.
II Corinthians 5:21 - For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
This gospel is easy to understand and very straightforward. We only have to believe that the God that spoke this world into existence gave His life for us, He was buried and that He rose on the third day. This seems like a very easy choice. Doesn’t it?
Let's look back to a time where a couple of other people also had a very easy choice to make. Let’s call them Adam and Eve. Let’s say that they lived in the best place on earth. Let’s say that they could live with God forever. Let’s say that they would never get old, sick or die.
We all remember Adam and Eve and the choice that they made. Would they have made the right choice if God had written the instructions that they needed on a piece of paper and they could carry that piece of paper everywhere that they went?
Well, guess what? God has written down the instructions that we need to follow in order to inherit eternal life with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is called the Bible, and we can carry it everywhere we go. If we follow the instructions in the Bible, we can live in the best place imaginable. We can be with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ forever and we will never get old, sick or die.
Have you made the decision to believe God and follow His written instructions, so that you will become a child of God forever? God doesn’t make mistakes. When He adopts you as His child, it is a forever adoption. Yet, some of us question God and His promises.
Now you may ask yourself what Satan is up to these days. That is an easy answer. Satan is not hanging around in the obvious places where everyone goes to sin. Those places are on autopilot aka auto-Satan.
No, Satan hangs out at the places where people feel safe, and they go to in order to feel closer to God. No, I’m not talking about your “prayer closet” or on your knees beside your bed at night praying to God. No, I’m talking about…
…places where false gospels are preached. These are places where people are fooled by Satan into believing an adulterated gospel and thus believe in vain. Do you remember Adam and Eve? A little bit of Satan goes a long way.
I have made a decision to learn from Adam and Eve’s mistake. I will follow and believe God’s word that He has given to me. Call me wise if you want to. I’ll just call myself a saved and blessed child of God.
Elohim is no respecter of person but rather a respecter of conditions, "who (God) will have ALL men (mankind) to be SAVED and to come unto the knowledge of the truth"
1Timothy 2:4... So it clear that Yahweh wants all to be saved, so why then if he "pre-determined" who will and will not be saved, then His Word would fall to pieces... We can't by a short UA-cam clip logically formulate a Theology on a subject matter by reading one verse... For God so loved the world (only some?) or all?... It plain to me to see 👀
Calvinists act as if there is no doctrine on the drawing of God, or the learning of God.
The answer is in Romans 10
Romans 10:13-17
King James Version
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Well, how can they hear and bekieve in someone that they do not seek or ask after?
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Well, God does the seeking, and He does this and manifests Himself to His elect.
His elect are those whom He chooses to manifest Himself to, and sinve the beginning men have been calling on the name of the Lord as a result. Genesis 4:26
Therefore, through His election preachers are sent, and one of the first is Noah, when he preached to the men of that time, that judgment is coming, to repent.
Thats rright, this is what the election is, and yes, israel is His elect, and has manifest Himself to them.
Yet, they are only His people for the fathers sake, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They are beloved for the fathers sake. Romans 11:28
There are the elct, before Jesus, and they are the called when Jesus is sent.
Whom He foreknew is thise whom He has elected from the beginning. Who He foreknew, He did predestinate to be conformed to His Son, His Son Jesus Cbrist, the first born, "The one that comes after me is preferred before me."
Those elect became sons the moment God give the atonement, as they live by faith, unto their very death. Becoming many brethren after Jesus, the first born of the Spirit.
This is such a misconstruing of scripture. Jesus stated that He gives the secrets of the kingdom of heaven (the gospel) to the disciples, but it was not granted to others. Jesus is purposely concealing it because that is the Fathers will. In John 10, Jesus explains why the Pharisees don’t believe that He is the messiah. Jesus tells them that He has told them plainly and His works testify about who He is, but they do not believe because they are not His sheep. Notice He didn’t say, you do not believe THEREFORE you aren’t my sheep. Because, as He stated earlier, the Father gives Jesus His sheep, His sheep know Him and He knows His sheep, and He gives His sheep eternal life and none can snatch His sheep from His hand.
When you quote Isaiah 6, you leave out that it is God closing the eyes and the ears of Israel - He said, “Go and tell this people:
“Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”
God is closing their eyes and ears, otherwise they may turn and be healed.
Your crusade against Gods sovereignty and your desire to elevate man’s personal righteousness is wrong and sad. I’ll pray God opens your eyes as well.
Jesus would plea with you to be one with one another these things should be discussed amongst believers but the argument over words within the body causes people to not believe.
People think they are free. Especially believers connect the fact that they are free now and think that transcends into their prior life where they were not yet regenerated. The fact of the matter is the Bible would not use slave talk we were slaves to send now we are slaves to righteousness It is to renew your mind it is to transform the way you think all the believing ones that have been given to the Father will receive him he didn't fail out his mission with some people The Bible gives an explanation for why they reject God You cannot choose God based upon your will It is not based upon willing but the calling of God. If you can choose God then why do the writers consider themselves debtors to Christ unworthy faith in itself is a gift Grace would not truly be grace if we're not a gift with zero strings attached. The things Paul taught were very hard to understand the other apostles knew that. Do not devour one another but seek to become like minded.
Why does Flowers have to do so many cartwheels and somersaults to answer a simple question?
He has to get out his Flowers decoder to connect dots that aren't there.
This man is dangerous. I agree with James White, Flowers is a pope-less catholic.
A shepherd dressed in semi-Pelagianism under the guise of provisionism.
Arminians HATE the fact that God is 100% sovereign and He chooses us for His purposes. They think their free will saves them not God. Pray that they will see the truth.
"So God blinded the eyes of Calvinists which is why they keep on making errors after errors." I say, Calvinists have become stupid and callous.
Calvinism is a different gospel.
Different gospels are not from God.
Satan is the one who blinds.
You do the math.
When will Christians understand that Jesus was preaching to Jews. Jesus was not talking to us the gentiles. This verse and many many more don’t make sense if you don’t divide that Jesus’ earthly ministry was specific to and for Jews. Exodus 19. They the Jews were called to be a royal priesthood.
Apostle Paul is our apostle today who brings us our gospel today.
John 6:37,39,44,63,65:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
That's for all !
god that makes sun, moon earth and human cannot save a person unless that person choose god. What a weak god is that?
Flowers claims that everyone hears Christ's voice! Jesus said in John 10:26-27 “But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." ONLY Christ's sheep hear His voice. The non-elect do not hear Him.
Flowers is wrong. Listen. To Dr. James White podcast.
Why is the futurist hardened to the truth of scripture the plain reading?
Heb 1:14 ISV All of them are spirits on a divine mission, sent to serve those who are about to inherit salvation, aren’t they?
Heb 9:28 ISV so the Messiah was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people. And he will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly wait for him.
Heb 10:37 ISV For “in a very little while the one who is coming will return- he will not DELAY;
1Th 5:9 ISV For God has not destined us to receive wrath but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus, the Messiah,
Gal 5:5 ISV Through the Spirit by faith we confidently await the fulfillment of our righteous hope, (salvation)
1Pe 1:5 ISV Through faith you are being protected by God’s power for a salvation that is READY to be revealed at the end of this era. (Era of the Old covenant)
1Pe 4:5 ISV They will give an account to the one who is READY to judge the living and the dead.
2Pe 3:7 ISV Now by that same word, the present heavens and earth have been reserved for fire and are being kept for the day when ungodly people will be judged and destroyed. (Apostate Israel)
Jas 5:8 ISV You, too, must be patient. Strengthen your hearts, because the coming of the Lord is NEAR.
1Co 7:31 ISV and those who use the things in the world as though they were not dependent on them. For the world in its present form is passing away.(present tense is)
Rom 8:18 ISV For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed to us.
Rom 13:12 ISV The night is almost over, and the day is near. Let’s therefore put aside the actions of darkness and put on the armor of light.
Rev 1:1 ISV This is the revelation of Jesus the Messiah, which God gave him to show his servants the things that must happen SOON. He made it known by sending his messenger to his servant John,
Rev 1:3 ISV How blessed is the one who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy and obey what is written in it, for the time is NEAR!
Rev 3:11 ISV I am coming SOON! Hold on to what you have so that no one takes your victor’s crown.
Rev 22:7 ISV “See! I am coming soon! How blessed is the person who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book!”
Rev 22:12 ISV “See! I am coming soon! My reward is with me to repay everyone according to his behavior.
Rev 22:12 ISV “See! I am coming soon! My reward is with me to repay everyone according to his behavior.
How does the provisionest read these text?
What good does it do a man to be "drawn" without any life-giving power? It sounds to me like you are still giving sinful minds the credit for having been "born from above". But being "born again" isn't something that we do by our free will. Why not give the Holy Spirit the credit for His role in bringing the sheep to repentance and faith in Jesus?
You never heard a word he said! You trapped in a cult called Calvinism.. You cannot take the credit from God it's impossible
@@reganoryan2292 I was an atheist running away from God as fast as I could run. I just wanted to live my sinful lifetstyle, so I mocked the whole idea of God. But when I least expected to "find" God, there He was! The Holy Spirit confronted me with the seriousness of my sinful life, and showed me the ways I was using people and hurting people. In a gentle way, God brought me to my knees! No one seeks Jesus who isn't sure that they need the Saviour. My salvation surprised me, my family, and all those who knew me. Praise God for His miraculous work in bringing salvation to me in spite of my past enslavement to sin!
Phil 1:6:
⁶ Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun A good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
2Ths 1:11:
¹¹ Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and THE work of faith with power:
In John 6:44, the audience is not the Pharisees, but the same people that Jesus just fed the day before. They are not rejecting Christ.
If the Pharisees have not (truly) believed God, why would you think they have taught the people (rightly) about God?
They were the "church" of that time and place, so of course their failure to teach and preach the God of the Prophets would result in many never having learned of that God, don't you think?
Why avoid the obvious and turn to the "mysterious?
@@johnknight3529 Not sure what your point is. The church and Kingdom of Christ wasn't set up until Jesus and John came. The Pharisees, as long as they continued to reject Christ were never citizens of Christ's Kingdom or church. It wasn't "set up" prior to John according to Daniel 2:44 "And in the days of these kings (the 4th beast, the Roman Caesars) SHALL the God of heaven SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Additional proof is here where Christ speaks to the Pharisees:
Matthew 21:25, 31-32 (KJV) The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?.....
.....Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the PUBLICANS AND THE HARLOTS GO INTO the kingdom of God BEFORE YOU.
For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
This Kingdom is entered through water baptism and receiving the Spirit. John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be BORN OF WATER and of the Spirit, HE CANNOT ENTER into the kingdom of God."
Regarding John 6:44, go to a previous post of mine on this comment section of this video to find a link to the best explanation of this verse that you will find. Flowers has missed it.
Yes many rejected him. John 6:66 (ESV) After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.
@@TheOrthodoxLandmarker-jy2zs - "Not sure what your point is."
Well, that's not surprising, now that I see you can't understand why I would refer to the Pharisees as the "church" of that time and place (small c and in quotes).
(My bad, please go on with your life as if I never said a word to you)
@@EdThePastor Yes, but Jesus' audience wasn't a hostile one like the Pharisees in Ch. 5. Check out the link to a video on this comment section under my handle. It is amazing exegesis and the best explanation of Jn. 6:44 I've found.
John 6 is truly a stumbling block. As a believer, its easy to see how this passage trips everyone out when you don't sit with this text verse by verse and look at the whole counsel of scripture.
vs 65 - Mr. Flowers does not cite the Prophets (Jeremiah 31:33, Isaiah 54) and what is said there. He literally skips that and makes up his own reading... 13:26 Did y'all catch that?
Exactly how God made us. He draws us to Him, but we have the free will to either accept Him or reject Him.
Those that are not drawn, have already hardened their hearts. Thevsins of tge fathers...
Leighton, I agree with the general direction that you take with this text, but you are saying a lot of words that the text doesn't say.
I would make the point that we see these groups: "The Given, the drawn, the granted; and then not make any assumptions about those groups, just believe what the text says.
We know the only result of the Father's drawing is that man CAN come. And the him who He will raise up in the last day is tied to "him who cometh unto me."
Then we get to John 12:32 and learn whether the Father is or isn't still drawing, that at the time described by Jesus He will begin drawing ALL MEN unto Him.
Then we get to John 16:29-30 and see the Disciples believe, and then Jesus in John 17 reference their conversation in His prayer to God about those who were GIVEN to him (the Apostles). And Jesus prays for those who will believe through their word (Pentecost Acts 2).
Then we see repentance was given/granted to Israel in Acts 5:32 and then Repentance unto life is granted to THE GENTILES in Acts 11:18. Then in acts 28 Paul Goes to the Gentiles.
If we just read the Bible in order without making assumptions, all the questions get answered in the most simple way.
Long lines but confusing.Trying to make sense😂
Phil 1:6:
⁶ Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
2Ths 1:11:
¹¹ Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
John 6:37,39,44,63,65:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
@FollowerOfTheLight2782 what's your point?
ln another note... i know a young lady who would not be friends with a calvinist because she was taught that that would be "unequally yoked" . good grief. see where this leads
True, reprobate Jews in Jhn 1:11 are blinded. But Flowers ignores the follow verses. That is, the reason why some believe is because they were born of [the Spirit] of God (Jhn 1:13, xref., Jhn 3:5). That's the drawing Jesus is talking about in Jhn 6:44 (1Co 12:3).
In the passage you are referring to.....believing comes before being born of the Spirit. Not the other way around.
@@grizz4489 : Not true. The ones who believed in his name were first born of the Spirit of God. That’s how they became children of God. No one can call Jesus “Lord” except in the Spirit (1Co 12:3).
@scienceandbibleresearch repentance must come first and then believing in what Christ did for them comes second and they receive the receive the Holy Spirit by faith. It's God's faith we take in yes but one can't say they have receive a gift unless they accept it. You can't say you got a gift from someone unless you accept first just like a believer isn't saved until they received the free gift of salvation. You're saying that one is saved first to be saved which makes no sense. No doubt calvinism is another gospel. My friend these are the facts
@@scienceandbibleresearchyeah I heard the Catholics say "Lord" all the times.Are they in the Spirit? Duh.
@@aservant2287Calvinism never makes sense and only the religious proud will parrot such twisted ideology
Jesus never converted one soul during His earthly ministry. He spoke in parables so that they could not and would not understand. Even Peter wasn't converted yet.. Luke 22:31.
Luke 22:31 NKJV
[31] And the Lord said, “Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat.
Please tell where in this passage does it say that Peter was not converted yet ?
@@grizz4489 verse 32 "and when thou art CONVERTED, strengthen thy brethren"
@kgar5String in order to be converted one has to believe that Jesus died for our sins and that He was raised from the dead. 1 Cor 15: 1-4.
Did the thief on the cross believe that????
Jesus said, "I tell you today, you will be with me in parables. "
Remember, there are no commas in the Greek manuscripts. The comma was put their by the King of England's 47 Translors.
@@Ken-do4oy
Then take out your comma.
@UnfrozenCavemanLawyer-xq1qi the comma couldn't possibly be after "him" cause Jesus did not go to paradise on that day. that He died. Jesus died, remember as in dead. Ecc 9:5..
For my flesh is food indeed ( John 6:55) Catholic doctrine is 100 % correct. Eucharist is the body blood soul and divinity of Jesus that we receive at mass, it is not symbolic as Protestants believe. St Paul reaffirms this “He who eats of the body and drinks of the cup in an unworthy manner brings judgement and condemnation, some have got ill,some even died. Surely if symbolic it could never have such an effect.
The elect? You people are messed up.
The words ELECT-ELECTED-CHOOSE-CHOSEN-GAVE-GIVEN-PREDESTINED are found over 60 times in the bible. Free will not even one time.
@@AVB2-LST1154 um okay
Criticism of election is based on a philosophical notion of what is fair and not fair.
John 6:37,39,44,63,65:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.