I believe that in order to have one extreme end of the political structure, you need to get the extreme end of your political structure into check as well. I listened and understand your views, but you also need to take note on the louder voices that supposedly promote "your group".
@@brettleisy356 Well actually listen to then rather than listen to people who claim to know what they are saying because quite often you will find that they will stramman their potions
I haven't seen anyone mention this and I want to point out: I've seen some GCs whining about the backlash to this segment- apparently it was originally about detransitioners. Advocates raised concerns about the potential harm it could cause, and it became a segment about trans healthcare in general. That's probably why so much of it focused on detransitioners, this was their "compromise." (Of course, the GCs are mad that the both-sidesing wasn't enough for the "gender cult"...)
I never personally experienced misogyny growing up. In fact, I only ever got a taste of it once I started transitioning, and the discrimination I have faced for being a trans man is just ridiculous. It pisses me off seeing people like Abigail Shrier just outright lie about the experiences of trans men, going as far as to lie about an interview she conducted with a trans man for her own book. Going as far as to lie about her own sources, provide easily debunkable studies, and even contradict herself repeatedly. And it is ideas like hers, TERFs, and other types of reactionaries that end up receiving platforms -- because they know that the bigots they appeal to will never bother researching the information for themselves. Hell, the study she cites in the PragerU video alone contradicts her entire premise that her book is built upon: The idea that trans men are going to regret their decisions. The study? 67/68 of the transmasculine youth studied experienced no regret, and one one single case reported regret "sometimes". Not even consistently. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5875384/ The fact that they can just spew outright factually incorrect information, knowingly for that matter, and convince people with it is telling. It tells a story of deliberate ignorance. Not ignorance because they never knew, or no one ever informed them, but ignorance because they want to continue believing that transgender people are somehow less than human or that we deserve less rights than everyone else.
I've also heard people say that trans women transition just because they are gay and want to avoid homophobia as cis men, because it's more socially acceptable for them to date men as women than as gay men. The ignorance and stupidity of this position is mind-boggling. Because being trans is sooo socially acceptable and easy these days.
This argument is the real life equivalent of rolling a Nat20 on a charisma check but RPing the conversation without knowing a single thing about the setting.
I don't think that's necessarily their thought process, and tbh it's a little dismissive to put it that way. I've known women who've experienced sexual violence who took steps to transition and later detransitioned, because the problem wasn't ever their gender identity but rather their incredible discomfort with how they as a woman are viewed and treated in this world. Tbh I think you'd even be hard-pressed to find a cis woman who's aware of the violence/inequity women face who didn't wonder at some point how different/easier life would be for her if she were a man. And I say all this as a cis lesbian who was very intent on transitioning to male when I was 14-15 because quite frankly I did not like being a teenage girl. Felt bad, folks. Basically my point is I think it's dismissive to discount the horrific misogyny people face that may subconsciously lead them to the conclusion that they would rather be a man and take steps to transition. It happens. It may not be a huge issue statistically, but can be very impactful for the people who it does effect. I don't have much sympathy for people who use that experience as a way to attack trans people, but I think we should approach the subject with the nuance it deserves. I sympathize also with the knee jerk reaction to want to dismiss these people because it can feel as if their very existence delegitimizes the existence of trans people. I feel I can relate to that because similarly people who used to identify as gay but don't any longer made me feel insecure in my own sexuality when I was younger. But I believe we can have sensitive, nuanced, productive conversations about these things without being dismissive of anyone. But of course this particular discussion is much less important than defending the lives and rights of trans people atm 😬
Lol yeah trans people existing on the internet is promoting being trans. Being allowed to communicate and be visible (if you know where to look!) is just straight up propaganda I guess. /Sarcasm
This whole "girls are being turned trans by watching trans people exist!" is literally the whole bill they have in Russia and now Hungary all over again. It's so painfully ironic seeing people in my home country (Russia) say shit like "gay people shouldn't ever be talked about around minors except for when it's for condemnation" and the progressive West(TM) being appalled at that, but then turn around and apply the exact same logic to trans people. EDIT: grammar is hard
I mean didn't they learn anything from the whole 'kids won't be gay if they don't see them' thing. Growing up under section 28 didn't make me like girls less it just took me longer to figure out the words for my identity, which was painfully slow
@@cryptbeast3222 My point was that too many self-identified progressives and feminists (TERFs) of the West will condemn other countries for using the social contagion argument with gay people, but then do the same thing but with trans people.
@@LisaNarozhnykh I know your point. I'm just saying that regardless of cultural narratives or location, reactionary conservatives are largely the same. They always find at least one group (different depending on location) to demonize in an almost identical way. Even if they themselves are considered maligned minorities elsewhere, their personalities are the same so they exhibit the same tribalism.
The Texas Senate hearing for anti-trans bills did this to the extreme, all of the invited witnesses I heard were pushing anti-trans rhetoric, they gave more time to people supporting the bill, and when actual trans people were testifying the legislature looked bored. It was beyond infuriating, I went home and cried
The same reason health panels on women's issues are full of straight white men. It's parental condescension. The outgroup acts as the "calm, detached moderators" for people who are "too close to their problems to understand them". Men explain women to themselves because "women are too emotional and irrational". Cis-gender persons explain trans issues to trans persons because trans persons are "confused about what they are, and therefore have compromised judgement". It's a way to justify controlling people within a given demographic, and creates a paper-thin veneer of rationality over actions which take away their agency.
It's the same vibe as bringing a climate change denier to "balance out" the vast majority of scientists who study this topic who say climate change is real and we are making it worse.
Saying they used r/trans as a source is like writing a scholarly essay and using only Wikipedia. "Here's my report." It's funny to hear Jessie say "I Googled all this in thirty seconds, you're journalists." This video felt less like a dissection of 60 Minutes' article and more of a vivisection of transphobia masquerading as a "journalistic integrity"
See "Manufacturing consent" by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. It basically explains how, under capitalism, most "journalists" aren't hired to write the truth, but rather to write what's profitable. The result is that they become mouth pieces for whatever BS rhetoric capitalists want to push.
And... most 'transition regret' isn't even regretting transness! Some amount of it is 'I didn't really want this procedure, or I kind of miss [XYZ], but I'm still trans' but an even larger proportion is 'my experience of [procedure] was bad, because my doctor sucked, and I wish I had had a more competent and solicitous doctor'. And these are things you can experience without that unsettling identity or one's sense of oneself as trans. Neither of these are the same as The Transgender Craze seducing *anyone* . These are issues around trans people *occasionally* experiencing external pressure, or the kinds of internal pressure that come with living in a social context where you're constantly under attack, but more often, trans people having *too few* medical options- no ability to vet doctors, being locked into a provider because that's what the funding is tied to, not having the money to switch once you're booked in when you see red flags. And even that's not commonly *regret*! Just, 'that guy sucks, don't go to him, I'm looking to get a revision / switched clinics'! And: the level of people walking back their medical transition but not their social transition, is *such* a thing. So few of us feel like we're not trans, or like we were deluded, let alone *seduced*, and basically everyone I know who has stopped medical transition really wants it for their friends. Like, we're here, and there are these absolute parasites looking to radicalise people who have these experiences. This is such a small political movement that has so little to do with trans reality that it's just, absolutely nightmarish.
agreed the worst of the narratives are usually less an argument against trans care and more about therapists who would write a script for any drug first visit if you pay enough. That is a licensing board issue. You are supposed to assess needs as you go in healthcare and don't assume treatments will fit the same for every patient.
Yet Medicaid pays for my TRT (I have Low T from a brain tumor- cis male). When I started TRT, my endocrinologist warned me that I might not be able to have more kids. I was an adult (barely), but it happens with minors too. Not letting people choose to take puberty blockers is crazy
I just had an appointment with a new endocrinologist and was finally diagnosed in 2009 at 19 (I had my daughter at 18). Like at 19, when I started Androgel, I had to consent to TRT and possible infertility. I was done with three times a day smelly Natesto, so I’m switching to Xyosted, which is just testosterone enathate, but an auto injection (for slightly less money than Natesto). It’s a bit of a rip compared to vials, but I am not ready to use it that way yet (yet I can access my own port, go figure)
This is a wonderful comment, far more educational about the scope of this statistic than I've seen mentioned elsewhere. In fact 'transition regret' is a brand new term to me, but it absolutely makes sense there would be a range. Which is actually interesting. I don't go hunting for stuff about detransitioning but as a cis woman wanting to learn more about all kinds of humans, it's a topic that pops up whenever "trans" is part of a search result. Now definitely curious to look a bit closer at results about 'transition regret' and detransitioning as a whole, rather than just individuals' stories. Thanks for providing a broader perspective to those of us wanting to see more. 🖖🍍
You talk to cis people about wanting to transition and they’re like “but what if you regret it?” When you talk to transitioned trans people about your desire to transition, they will tell you that it’s the best decision you will ever make. In my opinion, you should listen to the person who’s in a community about the issues for that community. But that’s just my opinion.
I think of it as this quote (to paraphrase): "In matters concerning Shoes, talk to the Shoemaker." I firmly agree with you. Transitioning has been the best thing I have ever done for myself in my life. I am happy to look in a mirror, and I am always wanting to check myself out.
lol if i ever regret transitioning, for me, it'll be like a tattoo i don't like anymore. oh well, i did a thing to my body that i maybe shouldn't have...? in the meantime i'm a f***ton happier, i can think straight, i actually like myself, and actually engage with self expression. so... what if i do regret it later? who f***in cares?
@@StonerBaer been there, I nearly passed out when I was told I would be able to get a mastectomy within a month of my consultation appointment. I was shocked that I didn't have to fight tooth and nail, and it was amazing. Gender affirming care my beloved.
@@effie8547 I definitely feel this way about it, but I think people tend to be more, eh, reverent about their bodies because they're "supposed to be". To most people it's a sacred vessel instead of a literal flesh suit our brains pilot around with the intent of reproducing regardless of our own desires.
I just went to the doctor yesterday as an adult trans person who has not yet transitioned physically, talking about mental health for the first time with a professional because I'm struggling with severe anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts--some of which are directly related to severe gender dysphoria that I've struggled with my entire life. He only spoke of the risks of HRT and the high suicide rate among trans people (which he seemed to think was related to our choice to transition, not due to the factors I've actually experienced such as dysphoria and abuse). I was further hurt by the experience and watching this video I'm upset at how the 60-minutes segment pushes the false narrative that the medical community is dangerously quick to support trans people. Thank you for shedding light on these "journalists" and how they are choosing to harm our community.
@@stevebisset1522 trust me, I've fought transphobia again and again in my life, especially since I've been out/visible as trans for a decade now. But no trans person is obligated to fight, especially if they feel unsafe to do so...and we should not have to at the doctors. Allies really need to step up for us. I corrected the doc and told him I'd like to speak with someone else. but he got curious and wanted to ask me questions to get to know trans folx better and I told him I'd consider that and switch between him and another doc for now, to meet with him when I have energy/mood to be open to possibly invasive questions.
Keep up the fight, I had to deal with a psychiatrist who tried to make me "accept and love my body" for 10 years, thus delaying my transition. I finally ditched him and went to a new and trans-friendly one, and had my referral for hormones in 3 months! Now it's been 2 and half years and I finally start to see myself in the mirror, at 53. It's NEVER too late, hang on! I hope you will have your happy ending too! ❤️❤️🤗
My best advice is to get the process started with this doctor, even if he's presenting hurdles, because that still gets you closer to you health care goals. But also actively looking for better health care providers, so that if you find a better doctor, you can make the switch immediately.
Whenever a doctor (or anyone else) tries to quote you the correlation between depression and anything that makes you marginalized, you can quote that meme: "Before you get diagnosed with depression or low self-esteem, be sure you're not, in fact, surrounded by assholes."
The whole de-transition thing gets me, as I know some non-binary people who used hormones for a period of time to obtain a result and then stopped or decreased for maintenance. 60 minutes is being super binary in this analysis.
Sounds interesting, are we talking about kids treated for Gender Incongruence, and if so, do you know if they usually gets counted among the approximately two percent who "de transition"? Or are the people you’re talking about adults who use hormones to get a certain result? (Such as women seeking to get more masculine features by using steroids and lot of hours in the gym)
@@gorillaguerillaDK Kids aren't put on hormones so that wouldn't be what they're talking about. Kids go on puberty blockers, which are two different things.
It's stuff like this that makes me so suspicious of "well meaning" cis people. Look at the trans people here who thought they were being listened to, only to have their words completely spliced out of context. Look at how the hostess nods along like she agrees with the person at the end, then cuts his segment for being "political" for supporting trans people, and look at how she supports a woman whose organization actively harms us and calls that kindness. So many cis people will smile politely at your face and then when you're gone work with people trying to destroy your very existence
That's how all bigotry works. When being openly cruel is no longer socially acceptable, the bigotry is always for the "good" of the minority group.. It's disgusting,
60 Minutes should be ashamed. They had an opportunity to debunk all the misinformation about trans people and trans healthcare to an older audience, and they blew it.
I ended up seeing this episode by chance with my in-laws just two weeks after getting top surgery. They we're supportive and offered to turn it off but I told them it was fine and watched the whole thing before explaining to them why it was inaccurate. I appreciate you making a whole video about it. I think too many cis people focus trans healthcare on themselves and subsequently other cis people (detransitioners) and not on the actual trans people that are being giving life saving care.
I'm particularly upset at how weaponizing detransition stories ultimately stigmatizes detransitioning, meaning that A, a person may never get the transition they need out of fear they might be wrong, and B, a person may not allow themselves to fully think about their transition as they go. Maybe they truly need to try on a presentation to see if it feels right, but they may see transness as all or nothing. People need to feel okay exploring who they are, and not be afraid to be wrong along the way.
You're right. 60Minutes did a great job framing a transphobic argument in a way to make it sound "trans supportive" so others might not notice. It's infuriating seeing how bigotry today seems to more often be hidden behind the guise of "caring." Sad to see that 60Minutes were helping the problem and not the solution, but it is also grossly nostalgic. We have seen this game played many times before, from different groups, pretending to be supportive...in a harmful way.
@@woobiefuntime did you not listen to this video. Trans people have to go through at least a year of therapy before even being considered for Hormones let alone trans surgery.I AS A 43 YEAR OLD TRANS MAN THATS BEEN TRANS SINCE I WAS A CHILD HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH EXTREME HOOPS.
''What about the 16 year old girls that might make a choice bearing life-long consequences???'', argue what are mainly right-wingers who believe that same girl MUST be forced to birth a child if she accidentally gets pregnant. Pretty sure the amount of people who regret parenthood currently by FAR out-weigh the amount of trans who regret transitioning...
So glad you spoke about this segment in particular, my dad who takes most news stories at face value watched it, and I was wondering why he was asking me questions about detransitioning, even after I tried to clear a few things up (like how easy it actually is to get medical care) I could tell the authority of a news channel outweighed my knowledge in his mind :/ really glad to see you clearing up this awful framing
HEY! I'm a trans dude, and my former therapist brought in that Erica Anderson woman to back him up in his belief that I had rapid onset gender dysphoria (I'd been out and passing for a year and a half then). He even reccomended this 60 minutes segment to my mom who has been mostly accepting. They did the irreversible damage talk about how I needed to be fertile. (I've just been trying to get on hrt for 2 years now) When I told her I wasn't comfortable talking to her about sex she said, "well other trans people are okay with talking about that.." (I was 15 at the time, I might add) That was in the San Franciso bay area, where I live, supposedly a very accepting area. I don't think I need to explain why he's my *former* therapist now.
The crazy thing about Irreversible Damage is actually that NONE of her case studies even detransition AT ALL! One minor is denied puberty blockers by their mom (they cancel the doctors appointment so theres no consultation even) who then moves them to a conservative state and isolated them. The other three are adults who go on T, get top surgery and stop speaking to their parents. She interviewed dozens of people and the best she can do is three trans dudes with shitty parents and one kid refused the ability to question their gender at all. It's such a vile and incompetent book. It is so wild that people will believe Littmans shitty science and Scheiers blog posts and anecdotes that prove her own narrative wrong over a wealth of science and trans voices. Just wild.
I'm crying mad. I, too, assumed it was just lazy and cissexist. But it's clear that they knew better and still chose to make it a harmful piece focused on anti-trans voices. And I worry deeply about the impact.
31:15 wow! we love it when people go on incredibly popular podcasts and advocate for parents to take away their children's medical garments! such a great idea, that's not gonna shatter your kid's trust in you at *all*!
They may as well have advocated for sending their child to school topples, or worse! It makes little difference to the child. Their experience would never equate to simply losing a garment, no matter how beloved.
Parents forcing things on their kids like what you mentioned and destroying any trust in the relationship is so common and so damaging. It breaks my heart. Idk how anyone can think that's the answer. Like just love your child and communicate with them what is wrong with ppl. Smh. 🧡🦇
I always imagine parents that do this almost always end up being the same parents who are estranged by their kids and either realize their mistake years later, or go the rest of their life not realizing what they did was wrong.
@@LinkleMcA in my experience they never realize what they did is wrong. From their POV they meant well so you should let it go. And if you do they just keep doing stuff. I had to cut my mother out finally cuz even into my adult life it kept escalating. When she tried to take my daughter from me cuz she decided she wanted a do over and assumed since she didnt want me that I would be bored by her 6mo birthday anyways. When that didnt come to be she became upset and started trying to obtain her legally and that was her justification. She deserved a do over because she ruined her relationship with me, and really she was thinking of me maybe i wanted to not have to grow up yet like she didnt want to 🙄 we haven't spoke since, that was unforgivable (so were a lot of things before that but everyone guilt tripped me that I'd relent and forgive her again and again) and then to gaslight me and everyone else as if her lying and meddling was rly for me and her do over was just a bonus. Some ppl are just toxic that's all there is too it. It's so sad. Needless to say my daughter and I have a very very different relationship. She's never had to be afraid or ashamed of who she is or to talk to me or worry that I would do anything even in the ballpark of my mother. Whoever she is or grows up to be i will love with me entire heart. It's too important to have a healthy relationship with her than to ever think that I know better who she is than she does or to force my idea of who she should be on here etc. Its so gross, you're not helping anything you're making you're child feel like they'll never be safe or loved for who they are without compromise cuz if your own mother cant show you love w/o condition how can you trust anyone else? Sorry for my rant it's just such a sore spot not just personally but empathetically to my lgbt+ siblings out there I just can not understand it.. ✌🧡🦇
The 60 minutes video directly harmed me as a more recently out trans person. Awhile after I came out as trans masc to my family, my mother decided to do some "research" on trans people by herself and this is the video she saw. It led to her starting multiple fights with me, and saying sleuths of very hurtful things to me based on the things detransitioners said in the video. She claimed a huge number of trans people are detransitioners ( 30% or some ridiculous number she didn't cite) and wouldn't listen when I tried to debunk those false stats with accurate ones such as the ones you mention in this video. She said everything she could to try and stop me from transitioning (I am a full adult, 21 years old). This 60 minute video is the first or only source of information for some parents with trans kids and it direct harmful impact on me because it also led my mother to accuse my therapist of coercing me to start hrt and my therapist had to stop seeing me partly from fear of being sued by my mother for "making me trans". The 60 minute video I'm sure led my mother down a path of more misinformation about trans people and transition, because 60 minutes is "reputable" and on national television she refused to hear any other information from me that told a different narrative. That's the fucking impact 60 minutes has and they need to be responsible for it.
Transition-related healthcare is definitely not as easy to access as they're making it sound. I was 39 years old before I had health insurance coverage that included any kind of transition-related care at all (before that, my policy specifically excluded transition-related care of any kind), 40 when I was able to finally start hormones, 42 when I was able to have top surgery, and 44 when I finally qualified for a hysterectomy. And with my two surgeries, the insurance company requirements were much stricter than the WPATH standards, so much so that I was only able to get either surgery by having them billed as something other than gender dysphoria after years of jumping through hoops trying to meet all of the insurance company requirements but being unable to meet just one of their many requirements - a legal name change - due to the strict requirements to obtain a legal name change where I live. Nothing about this was easy to access, and I live in a large city with enough trans-affirming medical providers to be able to access care within 50 miles of where I live. Many people have to travel greater distances to get the level of care I have access to, and may have to pay totally out of pocket to get it, excluding people with lower incomes, a lack of reliable transportation, and other barriers that already make it so hard to access transition-related care of any kind. And that's not even getting into the types of things needed (which varies from state to state) to get a legal gender marker change. Fear-mongering without understanding just how difficult it can be to transition socially, medically, and/or legally just hurts trans people even more.
My doctor follwed informed consent, which is far more relaxed the WPATH, (no letters from therapists etc) and it still has taken 4 years from my first appointment to my surgery.
I'm 43 and have been on Testosterone for 2 years and I'm still having difficulty moving onto upper body surgery. I'm being gatekeeped even in a state that supports trans healthcare
This is why I stopped watching 60 Minutes (given my age--used to be a staple--actually since Dan Rather's firing and treatment), but they really have taken on conservative causes and try to present them in a *supposed* neutral manner. This story is yet one more sorry episode. BTW, the idea that trans men have it so much easier--well definitely think that we have a LOT easier time than trans women, but talking with most trans guys won't tell you that it is necessarily easy going (ask about dating, coming out, employment, living/passing as male, etc). Who are these supposed folks talking to? Give me a f'n break! This is a right wing segment pure and simple--the motive is clear. You did a terrific on a sad sad topic, Jessie.
It's so sad when detransitioners' stories are used against the trans community, when in fact, their existence further proves how horrible gender disphoria is, that one cannot live happily when their body doesn't align with their gender identity. Some detransitioners fail to take personal responsibility for their misguided actions and solely blame the system, which is not exactly fair. The system needs to take them into account, yes, but cannot fully cater to them, when trans people and their suffering is just as real. I am glad that I have also heard accounts of detransitioners who just want to improve the system and validate trans people at the same time, who see that they are actually in similar shoes. It's true that detransitioners also bring up some real issues, for example, I heard one detransitioner girl's story on youtube, who got hormones from planned parenthood within like a week of learning about what being transgender means and thinking she might be a trans man, without being further questioned or being sent to a gender psychologist. I know planned parenthood is meant to get around many of the hurdles trans people face, but that still should not happen. I don't know which state of the US she is in, but that shows some states might need stricter regulations. But, that does not apply to all states, or the UK. We also need to hear the voices who point out how hard it still is to get gender affirming health care for folks in other states or countries. As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle, we all need to be well/better informed of potential benefits as well as potential risks of all possible courses of action, both on the personal and systemic levels, to make the best decisions for society and ourselves. (Side note, maybe we should also take a look at the chaos the US is, with laws and regulations differing from state to state, because as we see that leads to very harmful misunderstandings, or can even be used to purposefully mislead people and back anti-trans propaganda.)
I detransitioned but never medically because the system literally did stop me from making that mistake in the first place, I'm living proof that it fucking works and I have many friends who while still identifying as trans also feel that the system protected them against taking transition steps they didn't actually want before they'd considered them properly, detransitioners who speak out against trans people are just scared and traumatised (not in the full psychological/medical sense but I can't think of a better way to put it), they can't seperate their own mistakes from the trans community because from their perspective they were 100% perfectly trans and it's really hard to accept that you're actually a rare outlier and that almost no currently trans person has the same kind of experience to you, particularly when you don't actually understand what the difference is between your experiences and others. I'm lucky to have been blessed with an extremely patient trans friend who let me vent all my anxiety about what I was scared caused transness to her based on my experience and then she very calmly but also in a way that wasn't taking any of my shit said "you're projecting, my experience of my gender is completely different to what you're afraid of, you had that experience because you are not trans, you don't actually know what dysphoria feels like" and thankfully because I trusted her and loved her and cared about her happiness I knew she was telling the truth and that she was right and that permanently shut off that line of questioning for me, she helped me process my shit basically and then I could see the truth. Not everyone is lucky enough to have someone like that and even less are mentally healthy enough to know to listen to them, and the fear mongering spread by anti trans groups only validates their anxiety and makes them question and panic more, it's so easy to get sucked in when you're starting to detransition and are emotionally vulnerable and having to rewrite your whole worldview.
@@rover2923 I wanna just say that a lot of detransitioners struggle to consider themselves cis because having that experience really shunts you outside of the cisgender experience of gender and particularly if you've undergone certain parts of medical transition you will often struggle to be perceived as cis for the rest of your life, we aren't trans certainly but I feel like we need to have a better label to use to talk about detransitioners because while cis people definitely are using us as a way to prioritize cis people over trans people I feel like calling us cis is kind of a weird not entirely accurate label, our relationship with gender is a lot more complicated than that and that's also part of why I personally feel so uncomfortable with cis people pitting us against the trans community, I have a lot more in common with trans people than cis people and I don't want to be used as proof that trans acceptance hurts cis people because when they treat me like I'm cis it completely ignores all the reasons I called myself trans in the first place in favour of blaming trans people, instead of actually understanding that cis people hurt me and transition was just a tool I thought would help me deal with that hurt, we don't need to limit access to the tool if we aren't making people hurt in the first place.
I watched her vid about her experience too. She went to a little clinic that didn't have much experience dealing with trans people and had no idea what to do with her except just give her what she asked for. (Later she went to a bigger one, and they were appalled at the level of indifference the other had exhibited) No questions, no sit down even just with a counselor, no required period of presenting as the other gender. But she was 18, (or over even) and it was her decision. She blames PP for not preparing her adequately, but not the trans community.
@@butasimpleidiotwizard Doesn’t the medical term fit? Gender Incongruence! Just because you started transition, and then detransitioned, doesn’t mean you no longer is in a state of GI. I think stories like yours is extremely important! Not only is it proof that if the protocols for best practice is followed, there’s great considerations regarding the total transition process - but it’s also damn important to recognize the diversity in reasons to why "detransition" happens, and every time it does, it gives the people who specializes in Gender Incongruence slight more data to use in their future work! I’ve read some studies, on Puberty Blockers as treatment for adolescents with Gender Incongruence. As I recall it, it was approximately 2% of those who was treated with PB, who stopped the transition process, and "detransitioned", and often the reason given was lack of acceptance and support in the community and close relations - so this doesn’t mean that these individuals, if their conditions of living had been different, wouldn’t have benefited from continuing treatment - or that they won’t re-start transition at a later time, if conditions change. But it is important to get ALL the reasons why individuals chose to stop the transition process - and to acknowledge that there very likely still is at least some level of Gender Incongruence in many of those who stop the process, which also means there’s a whole set of other issues this group might have to deal with, and my guess is, it’s probably more than just identity and labels you have to figure out???
They also make it feel like it's wrong and harmful to question your gender if you're not 100% positive on being trans -ironically, that might push people to "prove" themselves more than any (non existent) "trans propaganda" lol
This reminds me so much of some of my relatives who nod and smile and say they understand why it's so important to use my pronouns only to never use them even once and pretend it's an accident. They've been doing this for 8 years now. It's not an accident.
I literally went to get hormones when I was 16 and the doctor was like "no you haven't got a strong enough idea of who you want to be in future and are clearly just hoping this is going to fix your mental health problems you should go get psychological therapy not hormone replacement therapy but we can talk about things like birth control and blockers while you think about it" and he was right I am not trans and I never got hrt I got a therapist and socially detransitioned and I'm fine, almost like trans medical care is already careful not to accidentally medicate people for whom it would be potentially a mistake
Also I hate when people act like the increase in accessibility of trans healthcare is a bad thing like?? It's a great thing, it's incredibly good because kids who don't need to transition need access to those healthcare resources and medical professionals with real experience and knowledge (like the doctor I saw) so they can be given the space and the guidance to help work out what they actually need, the more trans healthcare that is accessible the less people will detransition or have regret about transitioning, this fact only gets overlooked because they don't actually care about ddetransitioners, they just want to use us to justify their transphobia
@@butasimpleidiotwizard Where as I did go on HRT at 16 and most of my chronic anxiety, all of my chronic depression, and my gender dysphoria went away. At the same time my cognitive function noticeably improved. Although I did have the benefit of getting a recommendation letter from my psychiatrist. The thought of detransitioning was a hell of a nightmare for someone like me who vehemently hated, and still hates pants. Also most people who detransition do so for social reasons, not because they're not trans.
Thank you for talking about this 60 minutes segment. My mom watched this on her own and said we should watch this together. This made me so mad I didn't know what to say to her. My mom doesn't agree with my transition and she doesn't understand me. When i told my mom that i was going to be getting an Orkiectomy and that i had a surgery coming up soon. I asked her if she could drive me to my surgery. She replied that she didn't agree with it and that i should wait longe. She also said that she was hoping that i would go back. My mom is supportive somewhat she uses my correct pronouns and doesn't deadname me very often. Though she has had a hard time with non-binary pronouns as I just recently came out as agender. My mom is trying but these types of programs she watches doesn't help. I have given up trying to talk to my mom about my trans expeirnece cause she doesn't understand. My mom loves me and is supportive with everything else in my life and has been very helpful to me so this is very confusing.
Maybe find other, stronger support than your mom. She may mean well, but she may also be very conflicted about her child transitioning, and since she's (presumably) cis and het, she may have trouble understanding a trans / non-straight person who is, not coincidentally, also her own child, even when you're not a "child" anymore. -- I got mixed messages or homophobic messages from my parents, no fire-and-brimstone, no physical abuse, no yelling matches, but even early on as a pre-teen first discovering clues I was gay, I never felt I could talk to them about it. I think at various times, my mom might have been trying to figure out what was going on with me, but at the same time, I also got some homophobic stuff from my mom and dad, sometimes when they knew that, other times unaware they were doing it. If your mom is choosing to be against certain things, then you need some other people for support. Since you feel she loves you and is trying to be supportive, and you love her, then of course you don't need to stop contact. But try to find some other people. And, voice of experience, as much as you love your family or they love you, your mom and other older relatives will not be there forever. I needed to have rebelled more and found other people for support, from family friends to folks my own age and younger. I loved my parents and they loved me, but about the gay thing, there was a big elephant in the room that we never got over, and there were other things, like being overly controlling and strict, overly protective, that I didn't realize enough and didn't do enough to stop. In hindsight, this harmed my relationships a lot, and my parents I think truly did not realize what they were doing in a lot of it. You may not have stuff like that going on, and I hope you have a mostly good relationship with your mom. But my advice is, find other people too, since your post is mainly her being an obstacle while also that you love each other and you depend on her a lot, though maybe not as much as the post gives the impression of. It's rough when you love people who don't understand and aren't always the best, and that can be true of a lot of the people we love. So...dang, you're not the only one. My own local support system is not good lately. Take care.
You’re helping me understand how hard it is to get at the truth on this subject!! It’s disgusting how our political system and media go hand in hand in lying and misleading the public!! Thank you Jessie!❤️
The thing that got me about the UK ruling is that it essentially argued hormone/puberty blockers are a problem (are close to irreversible) because so few people detransition (stop taking them and quit/reverse the transition process). It amounts to saying we know detransitioning is a problem because so few people detransition when taking puberty blockers! I think the narrative of trans health care as dangerously experimental derives from an erroneous view of medicine as mostly composed of settled questions with clear cut results, whereas in reality even common standard treatments may see new information coming to light on side effects and even laying bare unexamined assumptions about efficacy etc. So there are no doubt uncertainties and need for further research in trans healthcare, but it is generally false that there are more of them than in exist in other healthcare contexts. It really seem the least bad motive I can attribute for this is lurid sensationalism and carelessness...
Also, one of the reasons that gender transition healthcare is viewed as "experimental" and "new" is that for as long as medical transition has been _possible_ , it's slowly gained traction and publicity for a decade or two, and then it gets stamped out and the clock "resets". Like, in the early 1930s, Berlin had a robust community of trans-friendly doctors and psychologists who were providing transition procedures and pushing for trans acceptance, and then the Nazis stamped it out in 1933. In the 1970s, Johns Hopkins Hospital had an extensive program for providing transgender care, then Paul McHugh shut it down. Medical transition and doctors willing to provide it and support it have been around for at least a century, and aren't any more "new" or "experimental" than _most_ medical procedures and drugs that we use today. But because they're constantly being suppressed, they always _seem_ new to the uninformed, because each resurgence is precipitated by a period of time where it wasn't in the public eye and fewer doctors were providing it. The appearance of gender transition being "new" is an entirely artificial construct created by bigots.
"We want to keep this story focused on trans health care" *proceeds to not discuss the nuances and realities of trans-affirming health care, or the barriers trans folks face to access it, in favour of talking to some cis ppl who detransitioned* Also wow, takes some gall to tell someone who's concerned about the impact your choice to disproportionately focus on detransitioners and transphobes will have on the health and wellbeing of trans youth that you don't want to discuss that criticism bc that's ~being political~ and somehow not about health care
As a disabled trans person, I watched this with my mom a while back. She love to think shows like 60 minutes are reliable places to get information. And though I struggle to understand stuff as well as the common person, I did feel for the detransitioners. Jessie definitely made me realize this episode was far more anti trans than I first thought. And it makes more sense in why I had to explain a lot while watching this with my mom. I doubt that I'll be able to convince her otherwise. It's hard to have someone who is supportive, but refuses to learn any of it though other means then their own. Thanks for your videos Jessie, they have been a great help since I found your channel!
Ironic thing about the PragerU clip around the 40m mark is that Testosterone is relentlessly pushed on cis men all day, everyday, on the same platforms, but get none of the same scrutiny. I do think it's also telling that they say nothing about the portion of De-transitioners that go on to Transition again, or how some of the detransitioners at the center of anti-trans lawsuits have later gone on record as regretting being used as figureheads for the transphobes (I believe Bell was 1 such person, but I could be wrong).
PragerU is awful, and not just because of its negative views towards LGBT folks. I don't quite know what to think about those testosterone ads for men's health, whether the guy is a young adult, middle aged, or a senior citizen. How truly beneficial or necessary is it to amp up a man's testosterone levels, when he's already producing his own? And subliminally, it feels like it's telling men they aren't really manly enough, so they need a higher dosage to be real man enough. Caveman say ugh. (And that could be insulting to the real cavemen.) What message does that send to boys, young men? You're not manly enough unless you also take extra testosterone? If boys or men are already dealing with self-image, masculinity, gender or orientation issues, or if they're straight and cisgender, telling them they need more testosterone, artificially, without any precaution to see a doctor for a diagnosis, just seems prone to make a lot of guys feel bad about themselves, and any not-so-straight or not-cis folks to feel bad for another set of reasons.
@@benw9949 Exactly. That was a leitmotif of one of the darkest periods of my life, wanting to get on Estradiol when every 5 minutes, the radio starts pushing anti-andropause treatments. It's gotten less stressful, TBH, but it was claustrophobic just hearing it constantly.
8:39 wait... regardless of puberty blockers aren’t you technically infertile until puberty??? Like it’s not exactly common for 5 yo to be able to pop out babies, that’s usually impossible until your teens
It does worry me too as I said on the premier. My mother is using 60 minutes as a way to think that she's doing a good thing by not allowing me to be myself, she even thinks I won't know my gender till I'm 30 THIRTY YEARS OLD. It's not only hard getting a therapist as a trans person, but it's also hard for me to find someone who also knows how to talk to someone with my neurodivergent condition. I knew I was trans for many years, yet my mother is just: but what if- NO WHAT IF I AM TRANS.
I watched that 60 Minutes piece before watching this video and the whiplash I felt from the sudden narrative shift just a few minutes in was palpable. Hearing that it wasn't just general cluelessness but willful ignorance is infuriating. At least I got some quality kitteh at the end.
Thanks for this video. Exposing the bias and transphobia in this supposedly "not political" piece "centered on health care" is important. I hope lots of people watch this all the way through.
You and content creators like you make me feel like I have a voice. I live in a developing country, where I have to be stealth and I'm fearful of speaking out. Watching blatantly wrong anti-trans propaganda and not being able to do anything about it honestly torments me. These organizations are extremely dangerous, and they even affect what happens outside of EU or US. People in my country, especially the younger people are increasingly adapting the transphobic movements that originate on the west. This is worrying because the older, religious side of my country already hates trans people, but now the younger, secular generation is also beginning to hate us for other reasons. Granted, the majority of people are becoming more educated about it, but its still extremely worrying. I'm afraid that our already limited trans healthcare will be affected by this too. All of that aside, things have gotten much better in the last 10 years and they will continue to improve, so I will remain hopeful. Thank you so much for your time and effort, I appreciate your presence a lot. Lots of love 💚
I actually walked into my parents watching that 60 minutes clip right around the time that it switched to the detransition stuff and got upset at the time. My cis dad tried convincing me that actually it was a segment supporting trans people but watching this makes it clear that my first impressions were right. My parents already are so hesitant about me transitioning and knowing they and many like them watched that segment and got the wrong impressions from it is so upsetting
What other people do with their bodies should be none of somebody else's business, it being plastic surgery, transition, changing hair colour or texture... What matters is a manageable life for everyone. Just live and let live, isn't that simple? 😳
It was so frustrating seeing so many think 60-minutes had researched things well and presented things is a fair and balanced way. 60-minutes was cited afterwards as justification for anti-trans actions and limitations. 60-minutes then attempted to direct people to their addendum on UA-cam, as if that solved everything.
I have no witty or sarcastic comment, this is pitiful. Pitiful that a patient blames the doctor for acting on symptoms which can ONLY be self reported and inherently require the patient to be a reliable source of information on their own mental and emotional state. I'm disappointed that now every transphobe has a name they can throw out as a conversation stopper. I'm sad that 60 Minutes chose this hill to die on. It's all just bad. I blame our education system for not teaching statistical significance.
'would you take away her binder?' is such a fucking scary sentence. i cant imagine the terror and anger id feel if that was taken from me... and i dont even use it all the time!!
@@joecole7122 It is poorly sourced, used deceptive editing, cherry picked quotes to fit a narrative, and used poor sources. I"m sorry, but whether or not you believe its conclusions, this was a journalistic mess and any journalism, writing, or even science teacher would give it a failing grade. This is NOT how you do reporting. Leslie should be ashamed. And we should all have higher standards for our news reporting.
@@SplotPublishing I have seen plenty of pro-trans media reports that lack common sense. How many times have we been lied to about trans women competing in female teams. They have the bodies of men not women. Trans women cannot get ovarian cancer but can get prostate cancer. That is a fact.
Reminder to people: Not moving forward with further transition iirc also counted as detrasition, even if they did so because they were happy with their body after the medical transition they'd underwent and thus didn't feel the need to continue.
Side note: I love Jessie’s outfit!! Side side note: when I was little I’d never seen a full episode and thought 60 minutes was a crime show where the people died at the end so the clock sound also stressed me out for a very different reason……literally no idea where I got that
Also to expand on trans healthcare and how cissexist other care unrelated transition is to trans ppl. In my case, as I have more experience in this area, is the transphobia trans men, masc and non binaries face in obgyn and other healthcare associated with cis women's healthcare. How whenever inclusion is attempted there is always extreme pushback and harmful alienation to trans ppl that need this particular care but can't access or don't feel safe attempting to receive care do to the ignorance and/or hostility that trans ppl face from doctors/specialists. I've had a primary care doctor refuse to schedule a breast cancer test (after sister was diagnosed and discovering it runs in the fam) since I was getting top surgery anyway... in 1 1/2 year (as if I couldn't have or develop symptoms during that window of time, and walked out the room, ending the session without telling me, without explanation and I sat there thinking he was going to come back until 10 mins past and the nurse told me our session was over. I never went to see him again after that. In the past I was denied migraine medication by a another primary who said I just needed to accept myself and the migraines will go away.... Transition is one aspect of trans healthcare but even just standard healthcare can be a challenge to access when med professionals have prejudices that negatively affect trans ppls ability to safely access whatever else healthcare one may need besides hrt/surgery. It's so much bigger and a serious problem that has cost the lives of trans ppl who were barred from other health needs due to transphobia in the healthcare system. It's like cis ppl can't fathom that trans ppl need other forms of healthcare as well and the alienation especially in gender specific care (ex. that focused on cis women) can cause severe distress especially when in waiting rooms (I've been looked at like an alien sitting in the waiting room to see my obgyn) and constant misgendering in med docs. So many other examples and stressors that trans ppl don't need to be put through. Trans affirming healthcare as well as other forms of healthcare are essential and need to stop being such a heart ache to access.
I feel like every time I watch one of your videos like this, at the end I just wish I could be there to give you a hug. You’re a rockstar for fighting and educating people. Not everyone has it in them, and I know it must be really hard to break this kind of stuff down over and over again. I wish people could just see people… as people. I’ve never understood what is so hard about that. You’re a beautiful soul and a badass woman regardless of what any of the asshats out there might say. Much love!!
Why is it that people like this always think "balanced perspective" = entertaining the perspective of people who dont want you to exist? I'm very sorry, my dad is like that as well
I'm so sorry. It's exhausting having to deal with people who insist that their uneducated, biased, non-evidence supported opinion should be given equal consideration and weight to views that are backed by hundreds if not thousands of studies and every major medical organization in existence, all in the name of a "balanced perspective." The idea that one person's ignorance should be given equal space to another's educated expertise is a huge part of what's wrong in society today, and it impacts people like us on a very real level. Hang in there. I hope your dad comes to understand this better in the future.
I’m cis, but every time I try to convince my parents that lgbtq+ people should have rights they always go down a similar line of argument, like ‘so we should respect everyone right? so you should respect my opinions too’ and ‘well we can discuss this’. I mean I understand they came from pretty conservative backgrounds & lgbtq+ people probably threaten their views on marriage & gender that they’ve believed for decades of their lives, at least they’re not outright going out to promote conversion therapy or something, but it’s still v frustrating. it’s a very pseudo-acceptance thing, saying they’ll come to my wedding if I married a girl (I identify as bi) , but then they refuse to support lgbtq+ rights & bring up sketchy sources saying things like ‘children from gay families suffer more’ & saying how they’d rather give to a more important cause like people without food/water/education. I mean it’s understandable that those people have more urgent needs, but it bugs me that my parents have no issue supporting causes like autism related stuff. I’m autistic myself & a lot of autistic people have their basic needs met like food & water & shelter, & have a lot of similar struggles to lgbtq+ people regarding things like mental health & having different needs that aren’t readily met by societies & governments edit: sorry for the rant !!
I love how a UA-camr who didn't really have to display correct information researches the topic with several sources that have at least some credibility and yet a whole ass studio that is broadcast to thousands of living rooms used a subreddit as if Reddit is a reliable source of information.
I suppose I am a detransitioner. The ONLY things I got were several haircuts and a fuck ton of new clothes. I originally wanted to transition into a man when I realized I was attracted to women and thought I would have an easier life as a straight man (turns out I was pan lol). I mainly kept it to myself as I experimented. It turns out it's very hard to pretend you are a gender you're not. Whenever I went out dressed as a man I would feel trapped and want to run home. I also sometimes liked it but those moments were few and far between. Listening to trans people actually helped me to realize I wasn't one of them, because I didn't actually want to be a man, I just wanted to run away from homophobia. Detransitioners are a result of brutally rushing everything from the looks of things. I think everyone should be able to experiment with their gender if they wish. I had a psychologist that tried to argue with me that I wasn't actually trans and wouldn't call me by male pronouns. It didn't work. It was something I had to learn on my own by seeing how it felt to be a guy. And it wasn't all miserable. I think I looked sick with my buzz cut hair. I still wear my "man" clothes. I found out I like being butch.
That will 100% of the case. It's another example of corporate bs of a benevolent idea more or less with terrible execution abs the result being even worse bubbles being created/ maintained 🤦🏼♀️ 🧡🦇
You know ... I used to think that gender-affirming medical for children was bad because I didn't know what it actually was. In the past, I thought that it was exclusively hormones and surgery. As someone who doesn't think that minors should even be allowed to get elective nose jobs, I just couldn't wrap my mind around that. Then I found out that gender-affirming medical care for children was therapy, better mental healthcare, being allowed to dress the way you want, be called what you want, and have your doctor address you by your preferred pronouns. When I realized it wasn't at all what I thought it was, I also realized that I already agreed with it. So, I guess I never really disagreed with it. I do think that teenagers should feel comfortable at the doctors and should have better mental health care and should get therapy. What really bugs me about the 60 Minutes episode is that it doesn't talk about all the things that gender-affirming medical care for children should be. It just focuses on the "What if they get hormones and surgery and change their minds?!" _(spooky sounds)_ I still think that children should have to wait until they're over 18 to get surgery or hormones, but they should also be treated as human beings with a legitimate issue in the meantime.
I'm still learning, but I really detest when anti- trans or just ignorant people just focus on detransitioners and use those peoples' experiences as reason to limit trans rights and healthcare. It's just so counterintuitive to me... if we could change our culture to allow all people - even youths, room to explore their gender identity and expression along a whole, safe spectrum, those people probably wouldn't have ended up needing to detransition. We should offer MORE healthcare and education at whatever age people need, so they have time, space, and support to grow safely and healthily. We should enthusiastically embrace more than just the gender binary because I think there are probably SO many of us that don't fit in that. Besides, peoples' detransition experience does not invalidate trans people who are happy and affirmed in their transition.
You spoke about so many important things in this video and I feel like I have a deeper understanding of the topic, thank you! I'm a Librarian for a hospital and so I care A LOT about citations and where people get their information from, so it's mind-blowing to me how easy it is to get good information... and yet organizations like 60 minutes can't even bother. On a side-note, throughout the video, I was also admiring your outfit! Yellow suits you! I feel like you have a little librarian chic going on haha! I love it :)
The only reason I was able to go on HRT was because the VA covers it with a reasonable co-pay. Even then, I had to go through a pre-screening with the gender therapist (where I had to go into great detail about my gender dysphoria) and the endocrinologist at the VA hospital before starting treatments. And I was still an active reservist at the time, so I had to wait until I was less than a year from retiring to even start so it wouldn't affect my ability to pass the physical fitness exams under male standards. There may be the possibility that they will soon cover gender confirming surgeries. I'm very hopeful about it, but we'll see.
Too fucking relatable, I'm active duty and I've just had to try and accept that I can't do anything to transition until I'm out and I need to try to keep myself alive until then. 2 years 3 months left, I think I can do this
@@smrtfasizmu7242 I'm cis gendered 21 year veteran, recently retired. Good luck to both of you and try to be strong. You know, they used to tell us "it gets better." IDK if that's really true for everyone, but I'd like to think so. The VA can be a bit hidebound and slow, but thank goodness for it. I hope you both get the care you need in full.
It's wild to me that people get surgery so quickly. I've been on T for nearly 3 years. I'm 24. I've been waiting 7 weeks since my second consultation to even get confirmation from insurance. I scheduled my first consultation 7 months ago. I just want to get top surgery. : (
@@monsterglacier I did! Thank you. Insurance is a process, but thankfully it's a shorter wait here than some countries. Working on metoidioplasty next, which should take about 2 years all together.
I'm late to this video, but I'm gonna weigh in. Girl, I love you and your channel, and as a trans guy I share your anger. I had all my therapies and surgeries in the '90s and while I know there is so much more information and awareness about trans issues and people in the current time, I didn't know the bigotry and anti-trans rhetoric was as expansive as your video shows. The video made my blood boil, but as the saying goes, "if you're not pissed, you're not paying attention." Thanks for the important info. Keep up the great work!
I'd bet that there was a transphobic producer, or maybe more, behind this who took over the segment and edited this way intentionally. They clearly recorded a lot of video that the producers and editors decided not to include. If I was one of those trans people who was asked onto the show only to have my clip butchered beyond recognition I'd be pissed.
Oh boy, so the 60 Minutes segment actually used some clips showing trans UA-camrs, as examples of what anti-trans groups were calling, trying to sell transgender to questioning youth? I recognize one or two of those, one may no longer be active, but one is very active and a great person (Jackson Bird) besides showing Jessie Gender and others. And that inactive one was a teen UA-camr who later came out as trans, and has reappeared a few times (rarely, I think) since then. Not cool of 60 Minutes to essentially paint those UA-camrs as bad people, when it's not true. For instance, Jackson Bird is very down to earth and personable, and was public and transparent about coming out. His videos from before he transitioned are still on his UA-cam channel. That's brave and honest. I would hate to think that someone saw that 60 Minutes show, then saw their teen or young adult offspring was watching or subscribed to trans UA-camrs, and threw a fit at their teen or adult child. It went by too fast for me to be sure, but one, I know I recognized, another, I'm pretty sure, and others, I'd have to see better to be sure. But it makes me mad to see those people shown as if they were bad people when they are trans and allies of the LGBT community. Grr.
I… watched this “news” segment at the recommendation of my mother, who has done her best to be supportive of my transition. I felt uncomfortable afterwards, but I couldn’t articulate why. Something just felt off to me. This hits what I was picking up on square on the head and it has me furious and relieved at the same time. Thank you. You better believe that I’ll be referring to this video whenever that segment gets mentioned.
The explanation behind all this is that cis people can't comprehend the idea of themselves transitioning, so a narrative based around transition being "bad" is something that they naturally gravitate towards
I wish that it was as easy as they are making it out to be. I wish I could get both surgeries, but without insurance living in Texas, it will take me 5-10 years to only get top surgery.
This was a very tough topic to talk about, especially evident by the video’s ending, but it was a VERY important one to talk about too. Thank you for giving your time, and your beautiful energy to this. Videos like these have informed and educated people like me about these issues, and turned us into allies. All your efforts will not be in vain as more people are being made aware of these things, and change will surely follow ❤️
I'm in South Africa and trans people are protected by our constitution. I went through private healthcare and even through that I still had to go to 8 psychologist sessions with a gender specialist, still get a physical done by my doctor, then she still had a whole session with me hearing my story to validate my dysphoria and even then still made me sign a consent form of all the side effects. And then my actual hormones were started off on such a low dosage to make sure that my body doesn't freak out from it and that I can have time to stop if I decide transitioning is a mistake. So basically all of this shows that no matter how accepted trans people are, the standards of healthcare will always be followed to make sure there isn't malpractice.
This seems to be the typical trans treatment by wider society: let's ignore the vast majority of cases and just wring our hands over the extremely rare incidents instead.
I like that transphobes are SO close to being able to empathize with dysphoria (they literally emulate it by imagining how violated they would feel if they were forced to have sex reassignment surgery) but they can't wrap their minds around the fact that because they would feel viscerally upset if they were forced to live with the wrong body parts... other people can feel viscerally upset because they are forced to live with the wrong body parts. Like, where is the confusion. It's this whole weird logic with "well, I don't feel dysphoria so clearly you can't feel dysphoria" but also "I would feel [describes dysphoria to a tee] if I had surgery to become the opposite sex." So clearly having body parts and hormones that don't align with your gender can cause dysphoria, and people who experience dysphoria shouldn't be forced to endure it. Where is the miscommunication happening.
You did a piece about 60 minutes, joked about it being 69 minutes, and yet your own video is only 52 minutes long. You disappoint me, Jessie. Tsk Tsk. On a more serious note: you are doing great work by debunking these transphobic propaganda. And your mini breakdown at reddit being used as a serious source was very relatable. I am currently dealing with anti-vaxxers in my line of work who think that their sources on social media are more legitimate than my PhD in biology and the mountain of peer-reviewed evidence I present. I have also confronted several transphobes who tried to use "science" to argue that transgender people don't exist. When I tell them that I am a scientist with a PhD and present peer-reviewed studies on transgender people, their argument becomes that I am brainwashed. Apparently "middle school science = real science" and "PhD = brainwashed pseudoscience." *exasperated sigh* Based on how frustrated I get at these people, I can only imagine what this is doing for your own mental health. Take care of yourself, Jessie.
I pray so hard that this is the video that finally gets you noticed by the algorithm. I don't think I've ever seen a video more fairly dissect a news clip EVER on this website better than what you did here today. It was just pure information and clearly labeled discussions when you start offering your own viewpoint on it. This is something that people need to see when they call some of my best friends any number or horrid terms in regards to their transitions or make assumptions about "why" they're transitioning without ever asking them themselves.
One of the things I most respect about you is the fact that you do try to give people the benefit of a doubt. I know I can count on you to see nuance, unlike a lot of other online pundits even ones I respect who just want to pick fights or at the very least can’t help themselves from doing so. So when even you give up on giving someone the benefit of a doubt, I know it’s bad.
Also, I’d love to see more analysis and rebuttals by you of television and newspaper reports. As amusing as online discourse is, the state legislators passing anti-transgender bills and their voters probably get most of their perspective either from “old media” or from political spam emails.
AMAB. In my early twenties, I went through severe depression, and experienced gender dysphoria. I looked into transitioning. I live in a conservative area with a conservative family, so I didn't know all the right language at the time, but now I realize what this was. I was already under the care of a psychiatrist and a clinical psychologist for the depression, so I could have begun the formal transition process, but my therapist was sex-affirming, rather than gender-affirming, and we opted to work through the dysphoria. I am open about my gender identity, but I'm completely masculine-presenting and use male pronouns, and have no gender dysphoria. I'm completely happy with my body. Well, ok I could stand to lose about 30 lbs. People with my experience are often completely ignored in these studies on transitioning, and the idea that happiness without transitioning is possible, is almost never presented as an option. I was an adult at the time, so if I had a gender-affirming therapist and a liberal community, I would probably have fully transitioned by now, but I think I'd have regretted it. I think the dysphoria would have precluded informed consent, in my case. The WPATH contains no language about trying to resolve the dysphoria first, little language about non-transitioning, and no language about resolving ego-dystonia through sex affirmation. Resolving dysphoria is not the same thing as conversion therapy. I don't care if people surgically transition, but my concern is about that informed consent, for adults to say nothing of children. And most trans people I've spoken to think WPATH is too restrictive, and want the barriers to transition lowered.
Transition is painful; not only physical, but social, emotional and economic; that illustrates what a transgender person is willing to endure in order to achieve peace of mind, I admit that those who detransition deserve our sympathy, but we also have to keep in mind that their harm has been self induced, either because of ignorance, bad advice (if any), and because they were never transgender in the first place. Keep up the good work. I think you made a very powerful video for those who wish to learn something about the realities of what really means to be transgender.
You said it exactly: not including a topic or not giving a response, is also a political statement. Whether the centrists are uncomfortable or not, in this day and age, you cannot cover something objectively and in a non-partisan way. What you don't say is still political.
Trans folk saying how much happier and healthier they are after transitioning = politics. Detransitioners and hate groups advocating to ban trans health care (via politicians) = health care. Make it make sense
I don’t usually comment on UA-cam videos, so I don’t know what exactly to say-other than I think this was one of your best (if not your best) videos yet. I am glad I have your content to help me process things like this. Thank you.
Wow this was heavy. I could see where they wanted to Cut off those segments. It's like they feel that coming to an understanding is not something that would sell the segment. You could really feel the strawman approach they took with this. I think the executive that called for the edits picked out the controversies only to promote their own biased narrative. Tl;Dr 'Transphobia sells...?'
This troubles me deeply. I don't understand why some people feel the need to interfere in other people's autonomy expression and lives, and then spin it as a health concern rather than what it really is. Bigotry
“I support trans people, but I’m just not sure it’s right for my daughter. I don’t think she’s gender dysphoria, and she’s getting worse.” Okay, Barbara. Have you considered therapy for them? Have you considered asking them what they feel? Have you discussed the difference between euphoria and dysmorphia? Have you assured them that you will support their transition but would never be upset if they did change their mind? I thought I was trans for a while. Turns out, I was experience a very mild version of dysphoria prompted by my long hair and exasperated by my mental health condition which caused dysmorphia. How did I learn this? By starting to experiment with transitioning with the help of a supportive friend group and a therapist. I’m a woman with short hair. I’m back to wearing regular bras and even skirts/dresses on a regular basis. I kept my birth name. I don’t consider myself a detrans person, because gender is fluid. In that year, I was trans nonbinary. It was right for me. Now it’s not. Now a simple haircut near totally wipes out the dysphoria. Let your kids play with gender. If they want a binder, let them have it. Just teach them safety with it. If they want long or short hair, let them. If they want to shop in the opposite section boy/girl to what you normally bring them to, why not? Give them a heads up that you love and support this play but that bullies exist and to tell you right away if they get bullied. Get them a therapist. And let them experiment until they figure it out. We let 5 year olds dress up as cats or dinosaurs. Why can’t they dress up as a boy/girl? Why don’t we play along and let them find out for themselves if they are truly a dinosaur?
It seems to me like the fact that there are people who regret transitioning, minority among a minority that they are, should be an argument in favor of trans folk receiving better medical, social, and emotional care, not against it - no one is arguing cancer patients should be denied treatment because some people who recover from cancer after grieving their own impending deaths become depressed and need therapy to help them reacclimate to their own lives.
I loved your comments on healthcare. Knowing how much any health insurance will use "regulations and protocols" to avoid parting with any money whatsoever, I can only imagine just how exponentially worse it is for the trans community.
That lady that detransitioned and so now is an anti trans advocate she had the most faulty logic for becoming trans in the first place. I used to have real issues with depression and thought that if I moved then it would be all better. It would be temporarily but then would be back the same because you can't escape yourself. That is essentially what she did by transitioning. That the councillor that she was seeing at the time didn't investigate that adequately with her is horrible too. That she is still taking it out on the rest of the world rather than seeing that she was looking for a quick fix for her problems shows that she still needs a lot of growth as she apparently feels value in her label as a victim.
26:28 not every member of that sub is gonna have detransitioned. Quite a few are there to twist their words or to learn more about detransitioning. There’s lots of forums like that where people join but not everyone is a part of the group the forum is about.
I grew up on the Canadian parody of 60 Minutes "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" and like I knew it was parody news show but I did not realize it was making fun of another specific show until I was like 18. Years later this is the closest I've come to seeing it for myself. I am glad to see I haven't been missing out. Your video seems to continue the trend that media based off it is inherently superior and more informative.
I'm a journalist, and my jaw dropped at using the number of members in a subreddit as a source. Unbelievable. When doing the most basic desk research, you'll find the mentioned studies before the subreddit. It does seem as if 60 minutes is deliberately framing the narrative that transitioning is more harmful than it is.
needing dysphoria to transition is such a transphobic way to look at things, im so tired of living in a world that only sees ftm and mtf, enby and gender non conforming people are real and it makes me sad that trans-medicalism is such a common belief
No that's just the feeling that pushed you to come out. If you had no gender dysphoria you would have asked your gender and saw nothing wrong with your actual expression
@@draalttomfp6902 Not every trans person has gender dysphoria, especially as it's clinically defined. They may not even have any real symptoms regarding it. Yet some transition options, like social, hormone based, or even surgical transition options are still a significant quality of life improvement. Finding where those lines are is important, which is why options need to be available. Trans-medicalist gate keeping limits options and as such do more harm than good. Since their only function is to limit options, which adds to people's misery. Without the leeway to feel options out, it limits both cis and trans people.
@@draalttomfp6902 Dysphoria is not needed to be trans, this is literally listed by all medical organizations. To be trans is to be a gender other than the one assigned to you at birth/ a gender identity that conflicts with your birth sex. No where is dysphoria mentioned as being a requirement
I was suicidal by age 13, but I wasn't confused about why. It was relentless bullying, and for no apparent reason. I was told by my one friend once that the minute I walked into my first class, the girl next to her said, "That girl is a weirdo."
this just reminds me of that meme that goes "has the concept of "women having choices" gone too far? We've assembled this diverse panel of white men in bow-ties to talk about abortion" I can't help but laugh but this type of stuff unironically inspires me for some dystopian storyline and I don't know how to feel about that
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I believe that in order to have one extreme end of the political structure, you need to get the extreme end of your political structure into check as well. I listened and understand your views, but you also need to take note on the louder voices that supposedly promote "your group".
@@brettleisy356 Well actually listen to then rather than listen to people who claim to know what they are saying because quite often you will find that they will stramman their potions
I haven't seen anyone mention this and I want to point out:
I've seen some GCs whining about the backlash to this segment- apparently it was originally about detransitioners. Advocates raised concerns about the potential harm it could cause, and it became a segment about trans healthcare in general. That's probably why so much of it focused on detransitioners, this was their "compromise." (Of course, the GCs are mad that the both-sidesing wasn't enough for the "gender cult"...)
Imagine someone thinking, "Being trans will make me less discriminated against."
I never personally experienced misogyny growing up. In fact, I only ever got a taste of it once I started transitioning, and the discrimination I have faced for being a trans man is just ridiculous. It pisses me off seeing people like Abigail Shrier just outright lie about the experiences of trans men, going as far as to lie about an interview she conducted with a trans man for her own book. Going as far as to lie about her own sources, provide easily debunkable studies, and even contradict herself repeatedly. And it is ideas like hers, TERFs, and other types of reactionaries that end up receiving platforms -- because they know that the bigots they appeal to will never bother researching the information for themselves. Hell, the study she cites in the PragerU video alone contradicts her entire premise that her book is built upon: The idea that trans men are going to regret their decisions. The study? 67/68 of the transmasculine youth studied experienced no regret, and one one single case reported regret "sometimes". Not even consistently.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5875384/
The fact that they can just spew outright factually incorrect information, knowingly for that matter, and convince people with it is telling. It tells a story of deliberate ignorance. Not ignorance because they never knew, or no one ever informed them, but ignorance because they want to continue believing that transgender people are somehow less than human or that we deserve less rights than everyone else.
I've also heard people say that trans women transition just because they are gay and want to avoid homophobia as cis men, because it's more socially acceptable for them to date men as women than as gay men.
The ignorance and stupidity of this position is mind-boggling. Because being trans is sooo socially acceptable and easy these days.
@@pastlesandfish I wonder how they explain the existence of asexual trans women or bisexual trans women.
This argument is the real life equivalent of rolling a Nat20 on a charisma check but RPing the conversation without knowing a single thing about the setting.
I don't think that's necessarily their thought process, and tbh it's a little dismissive to put it that way. I've known women who've experienced sexual violence who took steps to transition and later detransitioned, because the problem wasn't ever their gender identity but rather their incredible discomfort with how they as a woman are viewed and treated in this world. Tbh I think you'd even be hard-pressed to find a cis woman who's aware of the violence/inequity women face who didn't wonder at some point how different/easier life would be for her if she were a man. And I say all this as a cis lesbian who was very intent on transitioning to male when I was 14-15 because quite frankly I did not like being a teenage girl. Felt bad, folks.
Basically my point is I think it's dismissive to discount the horrific misogyny people face that may subconsciously lead them to the conclusion that they would rather be a man and take steps to transition. It happens. It may not be a huge issue statistically, but can be very impactful for the people who it does effect. I don't have much sympathy for people who use that experience as a way to attack trans people, but I think we should approach the subject with the nuance it deserves. I sympathize also with the knee jerk reaction to want to dismiss these people because it can feel as if their very existence delegitimizes the existence of trans people. I feel I can relate to that because similarly people who used to identify as gay but don't any longer made me feel insecure in my own sexuality when I was younger. But I believe we can have sensitive, nuanced, productive conversations about these things without being dismissive of anyone. But of course this particular discussion is much less important than defending the lives and rights of trans people atm 😬
Lol yeah trans people existing on the internet is promoting being trans. Being allowed to communicate and be visible (if you know where to look!) is just straight up propaganda I guess. /Sarcasm
This whole "girls are being turned trans by watching trans people exist!" is literally the whole bill they have in Russia and now Hungary all over again. It's so painfully ironic seeing people in my home country (Russia) say shit like "gay people shouldn't ever be talked about around minors except for when it's for condemnation" and the progressive West(TM) being appalled at that, but then turn around and apply the exact same logic to trans people.
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I mean didn't they learn anything from the whole 'kids won't be gay if they don't see them' thing. Growing up under section 28 didn't make me like girls less it just took me longer to figure out the words for my identity, which was painfully slow
@@LisaNarozhnykh People that repeat these points are the same type of conservative reactionary. Where they are from doesn't really matter.
@@cryptbeast3222 My point was that too many self-identified progressives and feminists (TERFs) of the West will condemn other countries for using the social contagion argument with gay people, but then do the same thing but with trans people.
@@LisaNarozhnykh I know your point. I'm just saying that regardless of cultural narratives or location, reactionary conservatives are largely the same. They always find at least one group (different depending on location) to demonize in an almost identical way. Even if they themselves are considered maligned minorities elsewhere, their personalities are the same so they exhibit the same tribalism.
why do so many ppl, in attempts of being "impartial", decide that cis voices are more informed than trans voices on specifically trans topics...
The Texas Senate hearing for anti-trans bills did this to the extreme, all of the invited witnesses I heard were pushing anti-trans rhetoric, they gave more time to people supporting the bill, and when actual trans people were testifying the legislature looked bored. It was beyond infuriating, I went home and cried
The same reason health panels on women's issues are full of straight white men. It's parental condescension. The outgroup acts as the "calm, detached moderators" for people who are "too close to their problems to understand them". Men explain women to themselves because "women are too emotional and irrational". Cis-gender persons explain trans issues to trans persons because trans persons are "confused about what they are, and therefore have compromised judgement".
It's a way to justify controlling people within a given demographic, and creates a paper-thin veneer of rationality over actions which take away their agency.
It's the same vibe as bringing a climate change denier to "balance out" the vast majority of scientists who study this topic who say climate change is real and we are making it worse.
same reason why men write women's healthcare bills and whites decide on black rights issues.
Power flocks to and feels comfortable with power.
Same reason people defer to white people for takes on race.
"You're journalists! Do the work!" WTF, citing subreddits?! Yeah, the failure of journalistic integrity and rigor is deeply, DEEPLY troubling.
We have to tell 60 Minutes our objections to their poor research and reporting.
They didn't even cite the subreddit. They cited it's subscriber count.
@@cbecht Who knows how many of the count are even detransitioned or gender critical.
Saying they used r/trans as a source is like writing a scholarly essay and using only Wikipedia. "Here's my report." It's funny to hear Jessie say "I Googled all this in thirty seconds, you're journalists." This video felt less like a dissection of 60 Minutes' article and more of a vivisection of transphobia masquerading as a "journalistic integrity"
See "Manufacturing consent" by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. It basically explains how, under capitalism, most "journalists" aren't hired to write the truth, but rather to write what's profitable. The result is that they become mouth pieces for whatever BS rhetoric capitalists want to push.
And... most 'transition regret' isn't even regretting transness! Some amount of it is 'I didn't really want this procedure, or I kind of miss [XYZ], but I'm still trans' but an even larger proportion is 'my experience of [procedure] was bad, because my doctor sucked, and I wish I had had a more competent and solicitous doctor'. And these are things you can experience without that unsettling identity or one's sense of oneself as trans.
Neither of these are the same as The Transgender Craze seducing *anyone* . These are issues around trans people *occasionally* experiencing external pressure, or the kinds of internal pressure that come with living in a social context where you're constantly under attack, but more often, trans people having *too few* medical options- no ability to vet doctors, being locked into a provider because that's what the funding is tied to, not having the money to switch once you're booked in when you see red flags. And even that's not commonly *regret*! Just, 'that guy sucks, don't go to him, I'm looking to get a revision / switched clinics'!
And: the level of people walking back their medical transition but not their social transition, is *such* a thing. So few of us feel like we're not trans, or like we were deluded, let alone *seduced*, and basically everyone I know who has stopped medical transition really wants it for their friends. Like, we're here, and there are these absolute parasites looking to radicalise people who have these experiences.
This is such a small political movement that has so little to do with trans reality that it's just, absolutely nightmarish.
agreed the worst of the narratives are usually less an argument against trans care and more about therapists who would write a script for any drug first visit if you pay enough. That is a licensing board issue. You are supposed to assess needs as you go in healthcare and don't assume treatments will fit the same for every patient.
A lot of transition regret is also because of transphobia
Yet Medicaid pays for my TRT (I have Low T from a brain tumor- cis male). When I started TRT, my endocrinologist warned me that I might not be able to have more kids. I was an adult (barely), but it happens with minors too. Not letting people choose to take puberty blockers is crazy
I just had an appointment with a new endocrinologist and was finally diagnosed in 2009 at 19 (I had my daughter at 18). Like at 19, when I started Androgel, I had to consent to TRT and possible infertility. I was done with three times a day smelly Natesto, so I’m switching to Xyosted, which is just testosterone enathate, but an auto injection (for slightly less money than Natesto). It’s a bit of a rip compared to vials, but I am not ready to use it that way yet (yet I can access my own port, go figure)
This is a wonderful comment, far more educational about the scope of this statistic than I've seen mentioned elsewhere. In fact 'transition regret' is a brand new term to me, but it absolutely makes sense there would be a range.
Which is actually interesting. I don't go hunting for stuff about detransitioning but as a cis woman wanting to learn more about all kinds of humans, it's a topic that pops up whenever "trans" is part of a search result. Now definitely curious to look a bit closer at results about 'transition regret' and detransitioning as a whole, rather than just individuals' stories.
Thanks for providing a broader perspective to those of us wanting to see more. 🖖🍍
You talk to cis people about wanting to transition and they’re like “but what if you regret it?”
When you talk to transitioned trans people about your desire to transition, they will tell you that it’s the best decision you will ever make.
In my opinion, you should listen to the person who’s in a community about the issues for that community. But that’s just my opinion.
I think of it as this quote (to paraphrase):
"In matters concerning Shoes, talk to the Shoemaker."
I firmly agree with you. Transitioning has been the best thing I have ever done for myself in my life. I am happy to look in a mirror, and I am always wanting to check myself out.
Not to mention, what if you'd regret not transitioning? All day, all week, all month, all year.
lol if i ever regret transitioning, for me, it'll be like a tattoo i don't like anymore. oh well, i did a thing to my body that i maybe shouldn't have...?
in the meantime i'm a f***ton happier, i can think straight, i actually like myself, and actually engage with self expression.
so... what if i do regret it later? who f***in cares?
@@StonerBaer been there, I nearly passed out when I was told I would be able to get a mastectomy within a month of my consultation appointment. I was shocked that I didn't have to fight tooth and nail, and it was amazing. Gender affirming care my beloved.
@@effie8547 I definitely feel this way about it, but I think people tend to be more, eh, reverent about their bodies because they're "supposed to be". To most people it's a sacred vessel instead of a literal flesh suit our brains pilot around with the intent of reproducing regardless of our own desires.
"They learned about it on the 'internet' " You know, that silly little millennial fad that contains all of human knowledge.
I just went to the doctor yesterday as an adult trans person who has not yet transitioned physically, talking about mental health for the first time with a professional because I'm struggling with severe anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts--some of which are directly related to severe gender dysphoria that I've struggled with my entire life.
He only spoke of the risks of HRT and the high suicide rate among trans people (which he seemed to think was related to our choice to transition, not due to the factors I've actually experienced such as dysphoria and abuse).
I was further hurt by the experience and watching this video I'm upset at how the 60-minutes segment pushes the false narrative that the medical community is dangerously quick to support trans people.
Thank you for shedding light on these "journalists" and how they are choosing to harm our community.
@@stevebisset1522 trust me, I've fought transphobia again and again in my life, especially since I've been out/visible as trans for a decade now. But no trans person is obligated to fight, especially if they feel unsafe to do so...and we should not have to at the doctors. Allies really need to step up for us.
I corrected the doc and told him I'd like to speak with someone else. but he got curious and wanted to ask me questions to get to know trans folx better and I told him I'd consider that and switch between him and another doc for now, to meet with him when I have energy/mood to be open to possibly invasive questions.
Keep up the fight, I had to deal with a psychiatrist who tried to make me "accept and love my body" for 10 years, thus delaying my transition. I finally ditched him and went to a new and trans-friendly one, and had my referral for hormones in 3 months!
Now it's been 2 and half years and I finally start to see myself in the mirror, at 53. It's NEVER too late, hang on! I hope you will have your happy ending too! ❤️❤️🤗
My best advice is to get the process started with this doctor, even if he's presenting hurdles, because that still gets you closer to you health care goals. But also actively looking for better health care providers, so that if you find a better doctor, you can make the switch immediately.
I hope you will be lucky with a new doctor, I wish you the best
Whenever a doctor (or anyone else) tries to quote you the correlation between depression and anything that makes you marginalized, you can quote that meme: "Before you get diagnosed with depression or low self-esteem, be sure you're not, in fact, surrounded by assholes."
The whole de-transition thing gets me, as I know some non-binary people who used hormones for a period of time to obtain a result and then stopped or decreased for maintenance. 60 minutes is being super binary in this analysis.
What about non-binary surgeries that might leave or add a vaginal canal or leave a penis or a add a penis.
Sounds interesting, are we talking about kids treated for Gender Incongruence, and if so, do you know if they usually gets counted among the approximately two percent who "de transition"?
Or are the people you’re talking about adults who use hormones to get a certain result?
(Such as women seeking to get more masculine features by using steroids and lot of hours in the gym)
@@gorillaguerillaDK Kids aren't put on hormones so that wouldn't be what they're talking about. Kids go on puberty blockers, which are two different things.
@@bcl8260 we are not there yet, maybe one day, if demand exists (I cannot tell if it does, never heard that)
@@gorillaguerillaDK Some people do count these kids, mostly the ones fear mongering about kids transitioning and puberty blockers.
Them citing subreddits instead of peer-reviewed research is why I don’t consider the news a credible source of information.
It's stuff like this that makes me so suspicious of "well meaning" cis people. Look at the trans people here who thought they were being listened to, only to have their words completely spliced out of context. Look at how the hostess nods along like she agrees with the person at the end, then cuts his segment for being "political" for supporting trans people, and look at how she supports a woman whose organization actively harms us and calls that kindness.
So many cis people will smile politely at your face and then when you're gone work with people trying to destroy your very existence
That's how all bigotry works. When being openly cruel is no longer socially acceptable, the bigotry is always for the "good" of the minority group.. It's disgusting,
Interesting how they were fine with being political when they spent all that time talking about detransitioning.🙄
We were all told stories of monsters when we were young... The truth is, the Monsters are very real, and they wear human skin.
60 Minutes should be ashamed. They had an opportunity to debunk all the misinformation about trans people and trans healthcare to an older audience, and they blew it.
What's to debunk? Some people regret it. Are they too be banned from the airwaves?
@@joecole7122 0.4% are to be weaponised against the MAJORITY of trans people that need trans healthcare
@@joecole7122 why should the other 98% of trans people suffer because 0.4% regret their surgeries
@@joecole7122 feelin sorry for your illiteracy
@@fafo867 That suggests i misunderstood what was said. I notice you didn't point out what i got wrong.
I ended up seeing this episode by chance with my in-laws just two weeks after getting top surgery. They we're supportive and offered to turn it off but I told them it was fine and watched the whole thing before explaining to them why it was inaccurate. I appreciate you making a whole video about it. I think too many cis people focus trans healthcare on themselves and subsequently other cis people (detransitioners) and not on the actual trans people that are being giving life saving care.
I'm particularly upset at how weaponizing detransition stories ultimately stigmatizes detransitioning, meaning that A, a person may never get the transition they need out of fear they might be wrong, and B, a person may not allow themselves to fully think about their transition as they go. Maybe they truly need to try on a presentation to see if it feels right, but they may see transness as all or nothing. People need to feel okay exploring who they are, and not be afraid to be wrong along the way.
The second they cut off and LITERALLY talked over the Trans person who is a Doctor and specialist in the field, my brain just went "oh no"
You're right. 60Minutes did a great job framing a transphobic argument in a way to make it sound "trans supportive" so others might not notice. It's infuriating seeing how bigotry today seems to more often be hidden behind the guise of "caring." Sad to see that 60Minutes were helping the problem and not the solution, but it is also grossly nostalgic. We have seen this game played many times before, from different groups, pretending to be supportive...in a harmful way.
I don't think so. I do think that people should get to root of why.
@@woobiefuntime He made about three different statements in there, what was it that you disagreed with?
Indeed. Concern trolling is exhausting
@@woobiefuntime did you not listen to this video. Trans people have to go through at least a year of therapy before even being considered for Hormones let alone trans surgery.I AS A 43 YEAR OLD TRANS MAN THATS BEEN TRANS SINCE I WAS A CHILD HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH EXTREME HOOPS.
@@woobiefuntimeGender affirming care _is precisely_ getting to the root. Did you listen to nothing in the video?
''What about the 16 year old girls that might make a choice bearing life-long consequences???'',
argue what are mainly right-wingers who believe that same girl MUST be forced to birth a child if she accidentally gets pregnant.
Pretty sure the amount of people who regret parenthood currently by FAR out-weigh the amount of trans who regret transitioning...
So glad you spoke about this segment in particular, my dad who takes most news stories at face value watched it, and I was wondering why he was asking me questions about detransitioning, even after I tried to clear a few things up (like how easy it actually is to get medical care) I could tell the authority of a news channel outweighed my knowledge in his mind :/ really glad to see you clearing up this awful framing
HEY! I'm a trans dude, and my former therapist brought in that Erica Anderson woman to back him up in his belief that I had rapid onset gender dysphoria (I'd been out and passing for a year and a half then). He even reccomended this 60 minutes segment to my mom who has been mostly accepting. They did the irreversible damage talk about how I needed to be fertile. (I've just been trying to get on hrt for 2 years now) When I told her I wasn't comfortable talking to her about sex she said, "well other trans people are okay with talking about that.." (I was 15 at the time, I might add) That was in the San Franciso bay area, where I live, supposedly a very accepting area.
I don't think I need to explain why he's my *former* therapist now.
The crazy thing about Irreversible Damage is actually that NONE of her case studies even detransition AT ALL! One minor is denied puberty blockers by their mom (they cancel the doctors appointment so theres no consultation even) who then moves them to a conservative state and isolated them. The other three are adults who go on T, get top surgery and stop speaking to their parents. She interviewed dozens of people and the best she can do is three trans dudes with shitty parents and one kid refused the ability to question their gender at all. It's such a vile and incompetent book. It is so wild that people will believe Littmans shitty science and Scheiers blog posts and anecdotes that prove her own narrative wrong over a wealth of science and trans voices. Just wild.
I'm crying mad. I, too, assumed it was just lazy and cissexist. But it's clear that they knew better and still chose to make it a harmful piece focused on anti-trans voices. And I worry deeply about the impact.
Seems pretty clear to me that they wanted to support the anti-trans legislation from the get go. Whole thing is built from the ground up for it.
31:15 wow! we love it when people go on incredibly popular podcasts and advocate for parents to take away their children's medical garments! such a great idea, that's not gonna shatter your kid's trust in you at *all*!
They may as well have advocated for sending their child to school topples, or worse! It makes little difference to the child. Their experience would never equate to simply losing a garment, no matter how beloved.
Parents forcing things on their kids like what you mentioned and destroying any trust in the relationship is so common and so damaging. It breaks my heart. Idk how anyone can think that's the answer. Like just love your child and communicate with them what is wrong with ppl. Smh.
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I always imagine parents that do this almost always end up being the same parents who are estranged by their kids and either realize their mistake years later, or go the rest of their life not realizing what they did was wrong.
@@LinkleMcA in my experience they never realize what they did is wrong. From their POV they meant well so you should let it go. And if you do they just keep doing stuff. I had to cut my mother out finally cuz even into my adult life it kept escalating. When she tried to take my daughter from me cuz she decided she wanted a do over and assumed since she didnt want me that I would be bored by her 6mo birthday anyways. When that didnt come to be she became upset and started trying to obtain her legally and that was her justification. She deserved a do over because she ruined her relationship with me, and really she was thinking of me maybe i wanted to not have to grow up yet like she didnt want to 🙄 we haven't spoke since, that was unforgivable (so were a lot of things before that but everyone guilt tripped me that I'd relent and forgive her again and again) and then to gaslight me and everyone else as if her lying and meddling was rly for me and her do over was just a bonus. Some ppl are just toxic that's all there is too it. It's so sad. Needless to say my daughter and I have a very very different relationship. She's never had to be afraid or ashamed of who she is or to talk to me or worry that I would do anything even in the ballpark of my mother. Whoever she is or grows up to be i will love with me entire heart. It's too important to have a healthy relationship with her than to ever think that I know better who she is than she does or to force my idea of who she should be on here etc. Its so gross, you're not helping anything you're making you're child feel like they'll never be safe or loved for who they are without compromise cuz if your own mother cant show you love w/o condition how can you trust anyone else? Sorry for my rant it's just such a sore spot not just personally but empathetically to my lgbt+ siblings out there I just can not understand it..
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It’s way better for parents to support their kids cause if they don’t have a binder they could resort to unsafe diy methods like tape or bandages
The 60 minutes video directly harmed me as a more recently out trans person. Awhile after I came out as trans masc to my family, my mother decided to do some "research" on trans people by herself and this is the video she saw. It led to her starting multiple fights with me, and saying sleuths of very hurtful things to me based on the things detransitioners said in the video. She claimed a huge number of trans people are detransitioners ( 30% or some ridiculous number she didn't cite) and wouldn't listen when I tried to debunk those false stats with accurate ones such as the ones you mention in this video. She said everything she could to try and stop me from transitioning (I am a full adult, 21 years old). This 60 minute video is the first or only source of information for some parents with trans kids and it direct harmful impact on me because it also led my mother to accuse my therapist of coercing me to start hrt and my therapist had to stop seeing me partly from fear of being sued by my mother for "making me trans". The 60 minute video I'm sure led my mother down a path of more misinformation about trans people and transition, because 60 minutes is "reputable" and on national television she refused to hear any other information from me that told a different narrative. That's the fucking impact 60 minutes has and they need to be responsible for it.
Transition-related healthcare is definitely not as easy to access as they're making it sound. I was 39 years old before I had health insurance coverage that included any kind of transition-related care at all (before that, my policy specifically excluded transition-related care of any kind), 40 when I was able to finally start hormones, 42 when I was able to have top surgery, and 44 when I finally qualified for a hysterectomy. And with my two surgeries, the insurance company requirements were much stricter than the WPATH standards, so much so that I was only able to get either surgery by having them billed as something other than gender dysphoria after years of jumping through hoops trying to meet all of the insurance company requirements but being unable to meet just one of their many requirements - a legal name change - due to the strict requirements to obtain a legal name change where I live. Nothing about this was easy to access, and I live in a large city with enough trans-affirming medical providers to be able to access care within 50 miles of where I live. Many people have to travel greater distances to get the level of care I have access to, and may have to pay totally out of pocket to get it, excluding people with lower incomes, a lack of reliable transportation, and other barriers that already make it so hard to access transition-related care of any kind. And that's not even getting into the types of things needed (which varies from state to state) to get a legal gender marker change. Fear-mongering without understanding just how difficult it can be to transition socially, medically, and/or legally just hurts trans people even more.
My doctor follwed informed consent, which is far more relaxed the WPATH, (no letters from therapists etc) and it still has taken 4 years from my first appointment to my surgery.
I'm 43 and have been on Testosterone for 2 years and I'm still having difficulty moving onto upper body surgery. I'm being gatekeeped even in a state that supports trans healthcare
This is why I stopped watching 60 Minutes (given my age--used to be a staple--actually since Dan Rather's firing and treatment), but they really have taken on conservative causes and try to present them in a *supposed* neutral manner. This story is yet one more sorry episode. BTW, the idea that trans men have it so much easier--well definitely think that we have a LOT easier time than trans women, but talking with most trans guys won't tell you that it is necessarily easy going (ask about dating, coming out, employment, living/passing as male, etc). Who are these supposed folks talking to? Give me a f'n break! This is a right wing segment pure and simple--the motive is clear. You did a terrific on a sad sad topic, Jessie.
It's so sad when detransitioners' stories are used against the trans community, when in fact, their existence further proves how horrible gender disphoria is, that one cannot live happily when their body doesn't align with their gender identity. Some detransitioners fail to take personal responsibility for their misguided actions and solely blame the system, which is not exactly fair. The system needs to take them into account, yes, but cannot fully cater to them, when trans people and their suffering is just as real. I am glad that I have also heard accounts of detransitioners who just want to improve the system and validate trans people at the same time, who see that they are actually in similar shoes.
It's true that detransitioners also bring up some real issues, for example, I heard one detransitioner girl's story on youtube, who got hormones from planned parenthood within like a week of learning about what being transgender means and thinking she might be a trans man, without being further questioned or being sent to a gender psychologist. I know planned parenthood is meant to get around many of the hurdles trans people face, but that still should not happen. I don't know which state of the US she is in, but that shows some states might need stricter regulations. But, that does not apply to all states, or the UK. We also need to hear the voices who point out how hard it still is to get gender affirming health care for folks in other states or countries. As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle, we all need to be well/better informed of potential benefits as well as potential risks of all possible courses of action, both on the personal and systemic levels, to make the best decisions for society and ourselves.
(Side note, maybe we should also take a look at the chaos the US is, with laws and regulations differing from state to state, because as we see that leads to very harmful misunderstandings, or can even be used to purposefully mislead people and back anti-trans propaganda.)
I detransitioned but never medically because the system literally did stop me from making that mistake in the first place, I'm living proof that it fucking works and I have many friends who while still identifying as trans also feel that the system protected them against taking transition steps they didn't actually want before they'd considered them properly, detransitioners who speak out against trans people are just scared and traumatised (not in the full psychological/medical sense but I can't think of a better way to put it), they can't seperate their own mistakes from the trans community because from their perspective they were 100% perfectly trans and it's really hard to accept that you're actually a rare outlier and that almost no currently trans person has the same kind of experience to you, particularly when you don't actually understand what the difference is between your experiences and others. I'm lucky to have been blessed with an extremely patient trans friend who let me vent all my anxiety about what I was scared caused transness to her based on my experience and then she very calmly but also in a way that wasn't taking any of my shit said "you're projecting, my experience of my gender is completely different to what you're afraid of, you had that experience because you are not trans, you don't actually know what dysphoria feels like" and thankfully because I trusted her and loved her and cared about her happiness I knew she was telling the truth and that she was right and that permanently shut off that line of questioning for me, she helped me process my shit basically and then I could see the truth. Not everyone is lucky enough to have someone like that and even less are mentally healthy enough to know to listen to them, and the fear mongering spread by anti trans groups only validates their anxiety and makes them question and panic more, it's so easy to get sucked in when you're starting to detransition and are emotionally vulnerable and having to rewrite your whole worldview.
@@rover2923 I wanna just say that a lot of detransitioners struggle to consider themselves cis because having that experience really shunts you outside of the cisgender experience of gender and particularly if you've undergone certain parts of medical transition you will often struggle to be perceived as cis for the rest of your life, we aren't trans certainly but I feel like we need to have a better label to use to talk about detransitioners because while cis people definitely are using us as a way to prioritize cis people over trans people I feel like calling us cis is kind of a weird not entirely accurate label, our relationship with gender is a lot more complicated than that and that's also part of why I personally feel so uncomfortable with cis people pitting us against the trans community, I have a lot more in common with trans people than cis people and I don't want to be used as proof that trans acceptance hurts cis people because when they treat me like I'm cis it completely ignores all the reasons I called myself trans in the first place in favour of blaming trans people, instead of actually understanding that cis people hurt me and transition was just a tool I thought would help me deal with that hurt, we don't need to limit access to the tool if we aren't making people hurt in the first place.
I watched her vid about her experience too. She went to a little clinic that didn't have much experience dealing with trans people and had no idea what to do with her except just give her what she asked for. (Later she went to a bigger one, and they were appalled at the level of indifference the other had exhibited) No questions, no sit down even just with a counselor, no required period of presenting as the other gender. But she was 18, (or over even) and it was her decision. She blames PP for not preparing her adequately, but not the trans community.
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Doesn’t the medical term fit?
Gender Incongruence!
Just because you started transition, and then detransitioned, doesn’t mean you no longer is in a state of GI.
I think stories like yours is extremely important!
Not only is it proof that if the protocols for best practice is followed, there’s great considerations regarding the total transition process - but it’s also damn important to recognize the diversity in reasons to why "detransition" happens, and every time it does, it gives the people who specializes in Gender Incongruence slight more data to use in their future work!
I’ve read some studies, on Puberty Blockers as treatment for adolescents with Gender Incongruence.
As I recall it, it was approximately 2% of those who was treated with PB, who stopped the transition process, and "detransitioned", and often the reason given was lack of acceptance and support in the community and close relations - so this doesn’t mean that these individuals, if their conditions of living had been different, wouldn’t have benefited from continuing treatment - or that they won’t re-start transition at a later time, if conditions change.
But it is important to get ALL the reasons why individuals chose to stop the transition process - and to acknowledge that there very likely still is at least some level of Gender Incongruence in many of those who stop the process, which also means there’s a whole set of other issues this group might have to deal with, and my guess is, it’s probably more than just identity and labels you have to figure out???
They also make it feel like it's wrong and harmful to question your gender if you're not 100% positive on being trans -ironically, that might push people to "prove" themselves more than any (non existent) "trans propaganda" lol
This reminds me so much of some of my relatives who nod and smile and say they understand why it's so important to use my pronouns only to never use them even once and pretend it's an accident. They've been doing this for 8 years now. It's not an accident.
I literally went to get hormones when I was 16 and the doctor was like "no you haven't got a strong enough idea of who you want to be in future and are clearly just hoping this is going to fix your mental health problems you should go get psychological therapy not hormone replacement therapy but we can talk about things like birth control and blockers while you think about it" and he was right I am not trans and I never got hrt I got a therapist and socially detransitioned and I'm fine, almost like trans medical care is already careful not to accidentally medicate people for whom it would be potentially a mistake
Also I hate when people act like the increase in accessibility of trans healthcare is a bad thing like?? It's a great thing, it's incredibly good because kids who don't need to transition need access to those healthcare resources and medical professionals with real experience and knowledge (like the doctor I saw) so they can be given the space and the guidance to help work out what they actually need, the more trans healthcare that is accessible the less people will detransition or have regret about transitioning, this fact only gets overlooked because they don't actually care about ddetransitioners, they just want to use us to justify their transphobia
@@butasimpleidiotwizard Where as I did go on HRT at 16 and most of my chronic anxiety, all of my chronic depression, and my gender dysphoria went away. At the same time my cognitive function noticeably improved. Although I did have the benefit of getting a recommendation letter from my psychiatrist. The thought of detransitioning was a hell of a nightmare for someone like me who vehemently hated, and still hates pants. Also most people who detransition do so for social reasons, not because they're not trans.
Thank you for talking about this 60 minutes segment. My mom watched this on her own and said we should watch this together. This made me so mad I didn't know what to say to her. My mom doesn't agree with my transition and she doesn't understand me. When i told my mom that i was going to be getting an Orkiectomy and that i had a surgery coming up soon. I asked her if she could drive me to my surgery. She replied that she didn't agree with it and that i should wait longe. She also said that she was hoping that i would go back. My mom is supportive somewhat she uses my correct pronouns and doesn't deadname me very often. Though she has had a hard time with non-binary pronouns as I just recently came out as agender. My mom is trying but these types of programs she watches doesn't help. I have given up trying to talk to my mom about my trans expeirnece cause she doesn't understand. My mom loves me and is supportive with everything else in my life and has been very helpful to me so this is very confusing.
Maybe find other, stronger support than your mom. She may mean well, but she may also be very conflicted about her child transitioning, and since she's (presumably) cis and het, she may have trouble understanding a trans / non-straight person who is, not coincidentally, also her own child, even when you're not a "child" anymore. -- I got mixed messages or homophobic messages from my parents, no fire-and-brimstone, no physical abuse, no yelling matches, but even early on as a pre-teen first discovering clues I was gay, I never felt I could talk to them about it. I think at various times, my mom might have been trying to figure out what was going on with me, but at the same time, I also got some homophobic stuff from my mom and dad, sometimes when they knew that, other times unaware they were doing it. If your mom is choosing to be against certain things, then you need some other people for support. Since you feel she loves you and is trying to be supportive, and you love her, then of course you don't need to stop contact. But try to find some other people. And, voice of experience, as much as you love your family or they love you, your mom and other older relatives will not be there forever. I needed to have rebelled more and found other people for support, from family friends to folks my own age and younger. I loved my parents and they loved me, but about the gay thing, there was a big elephant in the room that we never got over, and there were other things, like being overly controlling and strict, overly protective, that I didn't realize enough and didn't do enough to stop. In hindsight, this harmed my relationships a lot, and my parents I think truly did not realize what they were doing in a lot of it. You may not have stuff like that going on, and I hope you have a mostly good relationship with your mom. But my advice is, find other people too, since your post is mainly her being an obstacle while also that you love each other and you depend on her a lot, though maybe not as much as the post gives the impression of. It's rough when you love people who don't understand and aren't always the best, and that can be true of a lot of the people we love. So...dang, you're not the only one. My own local support system is not good lately. Take care.
You’re helping me understand how hard it is to get at the truth on this subject!!
It’s disgusting how our political system and media go hand in hand in lying and misleading the public!! Thank you Jessie!❤️
The thing that got me about the UK ruling is that it essentially argued hormone/puberty blockers are a problem (are close to irreversible) because so few people detransition (stop taking them and quit/reverse the transition process). It amounts to saying we know detransitioning is a problem because so few people detransition when taking puberty blockers!
I think the narrative of trans health care as dangerously experimental derives from an erroneous view of medicine as mostly composed of settled questions with clear cut results, whereas in reality even common standard treatments may see new information coming to light on side effects and even laying bare unexamined assumptions about efficacy etc. So there are no doubt uncertainties and need for further research in trans healthcare, but it is generally false that there are more of them than in exist in other healthcare contexts.
It really seem the least bad motive I can attribute for this is lurid sensationalism and carelessness...
There is currently an appeal being heard over that judgement. Lots of legal errors in the original judgement have been raised already by the appeal.
aren't they also given to cis children with precocious puberty?
@@erink476 yes among a fair few uses. This was raised at the original case
Also, one of the reasons that gender transition healthcare is viewed as "experimental" and "new" is that for as long as medical transition has been _possible_ , it's slowly gained traction and publicity for a decade or two, and then it gets stamped out and the clock "resets". Like, in the early 1930s, Berlin had a robust community of trans-friendly doctors and psychologists who were providing transition procedures and pushing for trans acceptance, and then the Nazis stamped it out in 1933. In the 1970s, Johns Hopkins Hospital had an extensive program for providing transgender care, then Paul McHugh shut it down.
Medical transition and doctors willing to provide it and support it have been around for at least a century, and aren't any more "new" or "experimental" than _most_ medical procedures and drugs that we use today. But because they're constantly being suppressed, they always _seem_ new to the uninformed, because each resurgence is precipitated by a period of time where it wasn't in the public eye and fewer doctors were providing it. The appearance of gender transition being "new" is an entirely artificial construct created by bigots.
"We want to keep this story focused on trans health care" *proceeds to not discuss the nuances and realities of trans-affirming health care, or the barriers trans folks face to access it, in favour of talking to some cis ppl who detransitioned*
Also wow, takes some gall to tell someone who's concerned about the impact your choice to disproportionately focus on detransitioners and transphobes will have on the health and wellbeing of trans youth that you don't want to discuss that criticism bc that's ~being political~ and somehow not about health care
As a disabled trans person, I watched this with my mom a while back. She love to think shows like 60 minutes are reliable places to get information. And though I struggle to understand stuff as well as the common person, I did feel for the detransitioners.
Jessie definitely made me realize this episode was far more anti trans than I first thought. And it makes more sense in why I had to explain a lot while watching this with my mom. I doubt that I'll be able to convince her otherwise. It's hard to have someone who is supportive, but refuses to learn any of it though other means then their own.
Thanks for your videos Jessie, they have been a great help since I found your channel!
the only thing that needs to be said "they cite a fucking subreddit"
Ironic thing about the PragerU clip around the 40m mark is that Testosterone is relentlessly pushed on cis men all day, everyday, on the same platforms, but get none of the same scrutiny.
I do think it's also telling that they say nothing about the portion of De-transitioners that go on to Transition again, or how some of the detransitioners at the center of anti-trans lawsuits have later gone on record as regretting being used as figureheads for the transphobes (I believe Bell was 1 such person, but I could be wrong).
PragerU is awful, and not just because of its negative views towards LGBT folks.
I don't quite know what to think about those testosterone ads for men's health, whether the guy is a young adult, middle aged, or a senior citizen. How truly beneficial or necessary is it to amp up a man's testosterone levels, when he's already producing his own? And subliminally, it feels like it's telling men they aren't really manly enough, so they need a higher dosage to be real man enough. Caveman say ugh. (And that could be insulting to the real cavemen.) What message does that send to boys, young men? You're not manly enough unless you also take extra testosterone? If boys or men are already dealing with self-image, masculinity, gender or orientation issues, or if they're straight and cisgender, telling them they need more testosterone, artificially, without any precaution to see a doctor for a diagnosis, just seems prone to make a lot of guys feel bad about themselves, and any not-so-straight or not-cis folks to feel bad for another set of reasons.
@@benw9949 Exactly. That was a leitmotif of one of the darkest periods of my life, wanting to get on Estradiol when every 5 minutes, the radio starts pushing anti-andropause treatments. It's gotten less stressful, TBH, but it was claustrophobic just hearing it constantly.
8:39 wait... regardless of puberty blockers aren’t you technically infertile until puberty??? Like it’s not exactly common for 5 yo to be able to pop out babies, that’s usually impossible until your teens
It does worry me too as I said on the premier. My mother is using 60 minutes as a way to think that she's doing a good thing by not allowing me to be myself, she even thinks I won't know my gender till I'm 30 THIRTY YEARS OLD. It's not only hard getting a therapist as a trans person, but it's also hard for me to find someone who also knows how to talk to someone with my neurodivergent
condition. I knew I was trans for many years, yet my mother is just: but what if- NO WHAT IF I AM TRANS.
Sending you love
@@JessieGender1 thanks jessie I appreciate it 💙
I watched that 60 Minutes piece before watching this video and the whiplash I felt from the sudden narrative shift just a few minutes in was palpable. Hearing that it wasn't just general cluelessness but willful ignorance is infuriating. At least I got some quality kitteh at the end.
"they all learned about transitioning on the internet" no shit everyone learns about everything on the internet
Thanks for this video. Exposing the bias and transphobia in this supposedly "not political" piece "centered on health care" is important. I hope lots of people watch this all the way through.
9:05 Shoutout to the woman doing the interview there. The Governor totally tried to dodge the question and she cut him RIGHT OFF.
You and content creators like you make me feel like I have a voice. I live in a developing country, where I have to be stealth and I'm fearful of speaking out. Watching blatantly wrong anti-trans propaganda and not being able to do anything about it honestly torments me. These organizations are extremely dangerous, and they even affect what happens outside of EU or US. People in my country, especially the younger people are increasingly adapting the transphobic movements that originate on the west. This is worrying because the older, religious side of my country already hates trans people, but now the younger, secular generation is also beginning to hate us for other reasons. Granted, the majority of people are becoming more educated about it, but its still extremely worrying. I'm afraid that our already limited trans healthcare will be affected by this too.
All of that aside, things have gotten much better in the last 10 years and they will continue to improve, so I will remain hopeful. Thank you so much for your time and effort, I appreciate your presence a lot. Lots of love 💚
Sending you love back
I actually walked into my parents watching that 60 minutes clip right around the time that it switched to the detransition stuff and got upset at the time. My cis dad tried convincing me that actually it was a segment supporting trans people but watching this makes it clear that my first impressions were right. My parents already are so hesitant about me transitioning and knowing they and many like them watched that segment and got the wrong impressions from it is so upsetting
What other people do with their bodies should be none of somebody else's business, it being plastic surgery, transition, changing hair colour or texture... What matters is a manageable life for everyone.
Just live and let live, isn't that simple? 😳
31:15 Did that woman seriously just compare binders (something that makes life more tolerable) to a cancer causing addiction (smoking cigarettes)?
It was so frustrating seeing so many think 60-minutes had researched things well and presented things is a fair and balanced way. 60-minutes was cited afterwards as justification for anti-trans actions and limitations.
60-minutes then attempted to direct people to their addendum on UA-cam, as if that solved everything.
60 minutes wants to have their cake and eat it.
I have no witty or sarcastic comment, this is pitiful. Pitiful that a patient blames the doctor for acting on symptoms which can ONLY be self reported and inherently require the patient to be a reliable source of information on their own mental and emotional state. I'm disappointed that now every transphobe has a name they can throw out as a conversation stopper. I'm sad that 60 Minutes chose this hill to die on. It's all just bad.
I blame our education system for not teaching statistical significance.
'would you take away her binder?' is such a fucking scary sentence. i cant imagine the terror and anger id feel if that was taken from me... and i dont even use it all the time!!
My journalism professors would tear that 60 Minutes piece apart.
Because it doesn't fit their worldview. I believe it.
@@joecole7122 It is poorly sourced, used deceptive editing, cherry picked quotes to fit a narrative, and used poor sources. I"m sorry, but whether or not you believe its conclusions, this was a journalistic mess and any journalism, writing, or even science teacher would give it a failing grade. This is NOT how you do reporting. Leslie should be ashamed. And we should all have higher standards for our news reporting.
@@SplotPublishing I have seen plenty of pro-trans media reports that lack common sense. How many times have we been lied to about trans women competing in female teams. They have the bodies of men not women. Trans women cannot get ovarian cancer but can get prostate cancer. That is a fact.
Reminder to people: Not moving forward with further transition iirc also counted as detrasition, even if they did so because they were happy with their body after the medical transition they'd underwent and thus didn't feel the need to continue.
Side note: I love Jessie’s outfit!!
Side side note: when I was little I’d never seen a full episode and thought 60 minutes was a crime show where the people died at the end so the clock sound also stressed me out for a very different reason……literally no idea where I got that
Also to expand on trans healthcare and how cissexist other care unrelated transition is to trans ppl. In my case, as I have more experience in this area, is the transphobia trans men, masc and non binaries face in obgyn and other healthcare associated with cis women's healthcare. How whenever inclusion is attempted there is always extreme pushback and harmful alienation to trans ppl that need this particular care but can't access or don't feel safe attempting to receive care do to the ignorance and/or hostility that trans ppl face from doctors/specialists. I've had a primary care doctor refuse to schedule a breast cancer test (after sister was diagnosed and discovering it runs in the fam) since I was getting top surgery anyway... in 1 1/2 year (as if I couldn't have or develop symptoms during that window of time, and walked out the room, ending the session without telling me, without explanation and I sat there thinking he was going to come back until 10 mins past and the nurse told me our session was over. I never went to see him again after that. In the past I was denied migraine medication by a another primary who said I just needed to accept myself and the migraines will go away....
Transition is one aspect of trans healthcare but even just standard healthcare can be a challenge to access when med professionals have prejudices that negatively affect trans ppls ability to safely access whatever else healthcare one may need besides hrt/surgery. It's so much bigger and a serious problem that has cost the lives of trans ppl who were barred from other health needs due to transphobia in the healthcare system. It's like cis ppl can't fathom that trans ppl need other forms of healthcare as well and the alienation especially in gender specific care (ex. that focused on cis women) can cause severe distress especially when in waiting rooms (I've been looked at like an alien sitting in the waiting room to see my obgyn) and constant misgendering in med docs. So many other examples and stressors that trans ppl don't need to be put through.
Trans affirming healthcare as well as other forms of healthcare are essential and need to stop being such a heart ache to access.
I feel like every time I watch one of your videos like this, at the end I just wish I could be there to give you a hug. You’re a rockstar for fighting and educating people. Not everyone has it in them, and I know it must be really hard to break this kind of stuff down over and over again. I wish people could just see people… as people. I’ve never understood what is so hard about that. You’re a beautiful soul and a badass woman regardless of what any of the asshats out there might say. Much love!!
I’m trans, my dad sent me a link to that 60 minutes special, saying that I needed a ‘balanced perspective’.
Well that sucks. I’m sorry he thinks that 60 Minutes knows you better than you know yourself.
what is peoples obsession with balance when we literally have fact and logic on our side...?
Why is it that people like this always think "balanced perspective" = entertaining the perspective of people who dont want you to exist? I'm very sorry, my dad is like that as well
I'm so sorry. It's exhausting having to deal with people who insist that their uneducated, biased, non-evidence supported opinion should be given equal consideration and weight to views that are backed by hundreds if not thousands of studies and every major medical organization in existence, all in the name of a "balanced perspective." The idea that one person's ignorance should be given equal space to another's educated expertise is a huge part of what's wrong in society today, and it impacts people like us on a very real level. Hang in there. I hope your dad comes to understand this better in the future.
I’m cis, but every time I try to convince my parents that lgbtq+ people should have rights they always go down a similar line of argument, like ‘so we should respect everyone right? so you should respect my opinions too’ and ‘well we can discuss this’. I mean I understand they came from pretty conservative backgrounds & lgbtq+ people probably threaten their views on marriage & gender that they’ve believed for decades of their lives, at least they’re not outright going out to promote conversion therapy or something, but it’s still v frustrating. it’s a very pseudo-acceptance thing, saying they’ll come to my wedding if I married a girl (I identify as bi) , but then they refuse to support lgbtq+ rights & bring up sketchy sources saying things like ‘children from gay families suffer more’ & saying how they’d rather give to a more important cause like people without food/water/education. I mean it’s understandable that those people have more urgent needs, but it bugs me that my parents have no issue supporting causes like autism related stuff. I’m autistic myself & a lot of autistic people have their basic needs met like food & water & shelter, & have a lot of similar struggles to lgbtq+ people regarding things like mental health & having different needs that aren’t readily met by societies & governments
edit: sorry for the rant !!
I love how a UA-camr who didn't really have to display correct information researches the topic with several sources that have at least some credibility and yet a whole ass studio that is broadcast to thousands of living rooms used a subreddit as if Reddit is a reliable source of information.
I suppose I am a detransitioner. The ONLY things I got were several haircuts and a fuck ton of new clothes. I originally wanted to transition into a man when I realized I was attracted to women and thought I would have an easier life as a straight man (turns out I was pan lol). I mainly kept it to myself as I experimented. It turns out it's very hard to pretend you are a gender you're not. Whenever I went out dressed as a man I would feel trapped and want to run home. I also sometimes liked it but those moments were few and far between. Listening to trans people actually helped me to realize I wasn't one of them, because I didn't actually want to be a man, I just wanted to run away from homophobia. Detransitioners are a result of brutally rushing everything from the looks of things. I think everyone should be able to experiment with their gender if they wish. I had a psychologist that tried to argue with me that I wasn't actually trans and wouldn't call me by male pronouns. It didn't work. It was something I had to learn on my own by seeing how it felt to be a guy. And it wasn't all miserable. I think I looked sick with my buzz cut hair. I still wear my "man" clothes. I found out I like being butch.
And on top of everything else, I'm certain that the UA-cam algorithm will push the 60 Minutes clip as "authoritative content" over videos like yours.
That will 100% of the case. It's another example of corporate bs of a benevolent idea more or less with terrible execution abs the result being even worse bubbles being created/ maintained 🤦🏼♀️
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You know ... I used to think that gender-affirming medical for children was bad because I didn't know what it actually was. In the past, I thought that it was exclusively hormones and surgery. As someone who doesn't think that minors should even be allowed to get elective nose jobs, I just couldn't wrap my mind around that. Then I found out that gender-affirming medical care for children was therapy, better mental healthcare, being allowed to dress the way you want, be called what you want, and have your doctor address you by your preferred pronouns. When I realized it wasn't at all what I thought it was, I also realized that I already agreed with it. So, I guess I never really disagreed with it. I do think that teenagers should feel comfortable at the doctors and should have better mental health care and should get therapy. What really bugs me about the 60 Minutes episode is that it doesn't talk about all the things that gender-affirming medical care for children should be. It just focuses on the "What if they get hormones and surgery and change their minds?!" _(spooky sounds)_ I still think that children should have to wait until they're over 18 to get surgery or hormones, but they should also be treated as human beings with a legitimate issue in the meantime.
"And I'm the human avatar of the feeling of social anxiety made flesh."
Thanks for being our face Jessie. You're rocking it for all of us. 😳🍍
I'm still learning, but I really detest when anti- trans or just ignorant people just focus on detransitioners and use those peoples' experiences as reason to limit trans rights and healthcare. It's just so counterintuitive to me... if we could change our culture to allow all people - even youths, room to explore their gender identity and expression along a whole, safe spectrum, those people probably wouldn't have ended up needing to detransition. We should offer MORE healthcare and education at whatever age people need, so they have time, space, and support to grow safely and healthily. We should enthusiastically embrace more than just the gender binary because I think there are probably SO many of us that don't fit in that. Besides, peoples' detransition experience does not invalidate trans people who are happy and affirmed in their transition.
You spoke about so many important things in this video and I feel like I have a deeper understanding of the topic, thank you! I'm a Librarian for a hospital and so I care A LOT about citations and where people get their information from, so it's mind-blowing to me how easy it is to get good information... and yet organizations like 60 minutes can't even bother. On a side-note, throughout the video, I was also admiring your outfit! Yellow suits you! I feel like you have a little librarian chic going on haha! I love it :)
It gave me librarian vibes too, I like it, I like her teal outfits as well
@@HunterLvyiXIIIAh yes agreed! Clearly she needs to start highlighting her OOTD in each video 😛
@@katiemerriman3303 Yes, I'd click so fast 😆
The only reason I was able to go on HRT was because the VA covers it with a reasonable co-pay. Even then, I had to go through a pre-screening with the gender therapist (where I had to go into great detail about my gender dysphoria) and the endocrinologist at the VA hospital before starting treatments. And I was still an active reservist at the time, so I had to wait until I was less than a year from retiring to even start so it wouldn't affect my ability to pass the physical fitness exams under male standards. There may be the possibility that they will soon cover gender confirming surgeries. I'm very hopeful about it, but we'll see.
Too fucking relatable, I'm active duty and I've just had to try and accept that I can't do anything to transition until I'm out and I need to try to keep myself alive until then. 2 years 3 months left, I think I can do this
@@smrtfasizmu7242 I'm cis gendered 21 year veteran, recently retired. Good luck to both of you and try to be strong. You know, they used to tell us "it gets better." IDK if that's really true for everyone, but I'd like to think so. The VA can be a bit hidebound and slow, but thank goodness for it. I hope you both get the care you need in full.
It's wild to me that people get surgery so quickly. I've been on T for nearly 3 years. I'm 24. I've been waiting 7 weeks since my second consultation to even get confirmation from insurance. I scheduled my first consultation 7 months ago. I just want to get top surgery. : (
There are places in the US that will do top surgery on informed consent, but you generally have to pay out of pocket
And I hope 10 months later you finally got your top surgery!!
@@monsterglacier I did! Thank you. Insurance is a process, but thankfully it's a shorter wait here than some countries. Working on metoidioplasty next, which should take about 2 years all together.
I'm late to this video, but I'm gonna weigh in. Girl, I love you and your channel, and as a trans guy I share your anger. I had all my therapies and surgeries in the '90s and while I know there is so much more information and awareness about trans issues and people in the current time, I didn't know the bigotry and anti-trans rhetoric was as expansive as your video shows. The video made my blood boil, but as the saying goes, "if you're not pissed, you're not paying attention." Thanks for the important info. Keep up the great work!
I'd bet that there was a transphobic producer, or maybe more, behind this who took over the segment and edited this way intentionally. They clearly recorded a lot of video that the producers and editors decided not to include. If I was one of those trans people who was asked onto the show only to have my clip butchered beyond recognition I'd be pissed.
No, I blame the reporter herself. She wanted to focus on detransitioning. She did the interviews. She told the guy in the clip they didn't include.
Oh boy, so the 60 Minutes segment actually used some clips showing trans UA-camrs, as examples of what anti-trans groups were calling, trying to sell transgender to questioning youth? I recognize one or two of those, one may no longer be active, but one is very active and a great person (Jackson Bird) besides showing Jessie Gender and others. And that inactive one was a teen UA-camr who later came out as trans, and has reappeared a few times (rarely, I think) since then. Not cool of 60 Minutes to essentially paint those UA-camrs as bad people, when it's not true. For instance, Jackson Bird is very down to earth and personable, and was public and transparent about coming out. His videos from before he transitioned are still on his UA-cam channel. That's brave and honest. I would hate to think that someone saw that 60 Minutes show, then saw their teen or young adult offspring was watching or subscribed to trans UA-camrs, and threw a fit at their teen or adult child. It went by too fast for me to be sure, but one, I know I recognized, another, I'm pretty sure, and others, I'd have to see better to be sure. But it makes me mad to see those people shown as if they were bad people when they are trans and allies of the LGBT community. Grr.
I think I caught a glimpse of Jammidodger in there too, for just a second.
I… watched this “news” segment at the recommendation of my mother, who has done her best to be supportive of my transition. I felt uncomfortable afterwards, but I couldn’t articulate why. Something just felt off to me.
This hits what I was picking up on square on the head and it has me furious and relieved at the same time.
Thank you. You better believe that I’ll be referring to this video whenever that segment gets mentioned.
The explanation behind all this is that cis people can't comprehend the idea of themselves transitioning, so a narrative based around transition being "bad" is something that they naturally gravitate towards
I wish that it was as easy as they are making it out to be. I wish I could get both surgeries, but without insurance living in Texas, it will take me 5-10 years to only get top surgery.
This was a very tough topic to talk about, especially evident by the video’s ending, but it was a VERY important one to talk about too. Thank you for giving your time, and your beautiful energy to this. Videos like these have informed and educated people like me about these issues, and turned us into allies. All your efforts will not be in vain as more people are being made aware of these things, and change will surely follow ❤️
I'm in South Africa and trans people are protected by our constitution. I went through private healthcare and even through that I still had to go to 8 psychologist sessions with a gender specialist, still get a physical done by my doctor, then she still had a whole session with me hearing my story to validate my dysphoria and even then still made me sign a consent form of all the side effects. And then my actual hormones were started off on such a low dosage to make sure that my body doesn't freak out from it and that I can have time to stop if I decide transitioning is a mistake.
So basically all of this shows that no matter how accepted trans people are, the standards of healthcare will always be followed to make sure there isn't malpractice.
This seems to be the typical trans treatment by wider society: let's ignore the vast majority of cases and just wring our hands over the extremely rare incidents instead.
I like that transphobes are SO close to being able to empathize with dysphoria (they literally emulate it by imagining how violated they would feel if they were forced to have sex reassignment surgery) but they can't wrap their minds around the fact that because they would feel viscerally upset if they were forced to live with the wrong body parts... other people can feel viscerally upset because they are forced to live with the wrong body parts. Like, where is the confusion.
It's this whole weird logic with "well, I don't feel dysphoria so clearly you can't feel dysphoria" but also "I would feel [describes dysphoria to a tee] if I had surgery to become the opposite sex." So clearly having body parts and hormones that don't align with your gender can cause dysphoria, and people who experience dysphoria shouldn't be forced to endure it. Where is the miscommunication happening.
You did a piece about 60 minutes, joked about it being 69 minutes, and yet your own video is only 52 minutes long. You disappoint me, Jessie. Tsk Tsk.
On a more serious note: you are doing great work by debunking these transphobic propaganda. And your mini breakdown at reddit being used as a serious source was very relatable. I am currently dealing with anti-vaxxers in my line of work who think that their sources on social media are more legitimate than my PhD in biology and the mountain of peer-reviewed evidence I present. I have also confronted several transphobes who tried to use "science" to argue that transgender people don't exist. When I tell them that I am a scientist with a PhD and present peer-reviewed studies on transgender people, their argument becomes that I am brainwashed. Apparently "middle school science = real science" and "PhD = brainwashed pseudoscience." *exasperated sigh*
Based on how frustrated I get at these people, I can only imagine what this is doing for your own mental health. Take care of yourself, Jessie.
I pray so hard that this is the video that finally gets you noticed by the algorithm. I don't think I've ever seen a video more fairly dissect a news clip EVER on this website better than what you did here today. It was just pure information and clearly labeled discussions when you start offering your own viewpoint on it. This is something that people need to see when they call some of my best friends any number or horrid terms in regards to their transitions or make assumptions about "why" they're transitioning without ever asking them themselves.
One of the things I most respect about you is the fact that you do try to give people the benefit of a doubt. I know I can count on you to see nuance, unlike a lot of other online pundits even ones I respect who just want to pick fights or at the very least can’t help themselves from doing so. So when even you give up on giving someone the benefit of a doubt, I know it’s bad.
Also, I’d love to see more analysis and rebuttals by you of television and newspaper reports. As amusing as online discourse is, the state legislators passing anti-transgender bills and their voters probably get most of their perspective either from “old media” or from political spam emails.
AMAB. In my early twenties, I went through severe depression, and experienced gender dysphoria. I looked into transitioning. I live in a conservative area with a conservative family, so I didn't know all the right language at the time, but now I realize what this was. I was already under the care of a psychiatrist and a clinical psychologist for the depression, so I could have begun the formal transition process, but my therapist was sex-affirming, rather than gender-affirming, and we opted to work through the dysphoria. I am open about my gender identity, but I'm completely masculine-presenting and use male pronouns, and have no gender dysphoria. I'm completely happy with my body. Well, ok I could stand to lose about 30 lbs. People with my experience are often completely ignored in these studies on transitioning, and the idea that happiness without transitioning is possible, is almost never presented as an option. I was an adult at the time, so if I had a gender-affirming therapist and a liberal community, I would probably have fully transitioned by now, but I think I'd have regretted it. I think the dysphoria would have precluded informed consent, in my case. The WPATH contains no language about trying to resolve the dysphoria first, little language about non-transitioning, and no language about resolving ego-dystonia through sex affirmation. Resolving dysphoria is not the same thing as conversion therapy. I don't care if people surgically transition, but my concern is about that informed consent, for adults to say nothing of children. And most trans people I've spoken to think WPATH is too restrictive, and want the barriers to transition lowered.
Transition is painful; not only physical, but social, emotional and economic; that illustrates what a transgender person is willing to endure in order to achieve peace of mind, I admit that those who detransition deserve our sympathy, but we also have to keep in mind that their harm has been self induced, either because of ignorance, bad advice (if any), and because they were never transgender in the first place.
Keep up the good work. I think you made a very powerful video for those who wish to learn something about the realities of what really means to be transgender.
You said it exactly: not including a topic or not giving a response, is also a political statement. Whether the centrists are uncomfortable or not, in this day and age, you cannot cover something objectively and in a non-partisan way. What you don't say is still political.
"I don't know how to get out of here, I'm quite scared and alone" has to be one of the most poignant observations of the trans experience in 2021 :\
Trans folk saying how much happier and healthier they are after transitioning = politics.
Detransitioners and hate groups advocating to ban trans health care (via politicians) = health care.
Make it make sense
Abigail Shrier: Think of the children
Also Abigail Shier: Women are just breasts and a uterus
I don’t usually comment on UA-cam videos, so I don’t know what exactly to say-other than I think this was one of your best (if not your best) videos yet. I am glad I have your content to help me process things like this. Thank you.
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Wow this was heavy. I could see where they wanted to
Cut off those segments. It's like they feel that coming to an understanding is not something that would sell the segment. You could really feel the strawman approach they took with this. I think the executive that called for the edits picked out the controversies only to promote their own biased narrative.
Tl;Dr 'Transphobia sells...?'
This troubles me deeply. I don't understand why some people feel the need to interfere in other people's autonomy expression and lives, and then spin it as a health concern rather than what it really is. Bigotry
“I support trans people, but I’m just not sure it’s right for my daughter. I don’t think she’s gender dysphoria, and she’s getting worse.”
Okay, Barbara. Have you considered therapy for them? Have you considered asking them what they feel? Have you discussed the difference between euphoria and dysmorphia? Have you assured them that you will support their transition but would never be upset if they did change their mind?
I thought I was trans for a while. Turns out, I was experience a very mild version of dysphoria prompted by my long hair and exasperated by my mental health condition which caused dysmorphia. How did I learn this? By starting to experiment with transitioning with the help of a supportive friend group and a therapist. I’m a woman with short hair. I’m back to wearing regular bras and even skirts/dresses on a regular basis. I kept my birth name. I don’t consider myself a detrans person, because gender is fluid. In that year, I was trans nonbinary. It was right for me. Now it’s not. Now a simple haircut near totally wipes out the dysphoria.
Let your kids play with gender. If they want a binder, let them have it. Just teach them safety with it. If they want long or short hair, let them. If they want to shop in the opposite section boy/girl to what you normally bring them to, why not? Give them a heads up that you love and support this play but that bullies exist and to tell you right away if they get bullied. Get them a therapist. And let them experiment until they figure it out. We let 5 year olds dress up as cats or dinosaurs. Why can’t they dress up as a boy/girl? Why don’t we play along and let them find out for themselves if they are truly a dinosaur?
Wait a minute, healthcare? I can understand a debate about sports, but HEALTHCARE? That's crazy.
It seems to me like the fact that there are people who regret transitioning, minority among a minority that they are, should be an argument in favor of trans folk receiving better medical, social, and emotional care, not against it - no one is arguing cancer patients should be denied treatment because some people who recover from cancer after grieving their own impending deaths become depressed and need therapy to help them reacclimate to their own lives.
I've been avoiding watching this piece... I'm just glad my family hasn't tried to talk to me about it (my grandma loves 60 minutes)
My mom has. I’m going to send her this video.
"We were aware this may cause harm - we did it anyway." That's a confession, not a flex.
The way the 60-min lady says "the internet" is just so funny.
I loved your comments on healthcare. Knowing how much any health insurance will use "regulations and protocols" to avoid parting with any money whatsoever, I can only imagine just how exponentially worse it is for the trans community.
That lady that detransitioned and so now is an anti trans advocate she had the most faulty logic for becoming trans in the first place. I used to have real issues with depression and thought that if I moved then it would be all better. It would be temporarily but then would be back the same because you can't escape yourself. That is essentially what she did by transitioning. That the councillor that she was seeing at the time didn't investigate that adequately with her is horrible too. That she is still taking it out on the rest of the world rather than seeing that she was looking for a quick fix for her problems shows that she still needs a lot of growth as she apparently feels value in her label as a victim.
26:28 not every member of that sub is gonna have detransitioned. Quite a few are there to twist their words or to learn more about detransitioning. There’s lots of forums like that where people join but not everyone is a part of the group the forum is about.
I grew up on the Canadian parody of 60 Minutes "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" and like I knew it was parody news show but I did not realize it was making fun of another specific show until I was like 18. Years later this is the closest I've come to seeing it for myself. I am glad to see I haven't been missing out. Your video seems to continue the trend that media based off it is inherently superior and more informative.
I'm a journalist, and my jaw dropped at using the number of members in a subreddit as a source. Unbelievable.
When doing the most basic desk research, you'll find the mentioned studies before the subreddit. It does seem as if 60 minutes is deliberately framing the narrative that transitioning is more harmful than it is.
needing dysphoria to transition is such a transphobic way to look at things, im so tired of living in a world that only sees ftm and mtf, enby and gender non conforming people are real and it makes me sad that trans-medicalism is such a common belief
No that's just the feeling that pushed you to come out. If you had no gender dysphoria you would have asked your gender and saw nothing wrong with your actual expression
@@draalttomfp6902 Not every trans person has gender dysphoria, especially as it's clinically defined. They may not even have any real symptoms regarding it. Yet some transition options, like social, hormone based, or even surgical transition options are still a significant quality of life improvement. Finding where those lines are is important, which is why options need to be available. Trans-medicalist gate keeping limits options and as such do more harm than good. Since their only function is to limit options, which adds to people's misery. Without the leeway to feel options out, it limits both cis and trans people.
@@natsume-hime2473 no it is not clinically defined, no dysphoria, no need for any coming out
@@draalttomfp6902 Dysphoria is not needed to be trans, this is literally listed by all medical organizations. To be trans is to be a gender other than the one assigned to you at birth/ a gender identity that conflicts with your birth sex.
No where is dysphoria mentioned as being a requirement
I was suicidal by age 13, but I wasn't confused about why. It was relentless bullying, and for no apparent reason. I was told by my one friend once that the minute I walked into my first class, the girl next to her said, "That girl is a weirdo."
this just reminds me of that meme that goes
"has the concept of "women having choices" gone too far?
We've assembled this diverse panel of white men in bow-ties to talk about abortion"
I can't help but laugh but this type of stuff unironically inspires me for some dystopian storyline and I don't know how to feel about that